Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
Hi :) 2 things 1. Documentation is always playing catch up 2. I think a bug report has been filed to try to get the feature put back into the next release (or a subsequent one if it doesn't make it back in so quickly) Stuart was saying that if you type 3 - or ~ or (errr i can't remember the other character) then it creates the whole rest of the line for you. Much the same happens in emails i think although you might have to use more than 3. So on an empty line in Writer try --- ~~~ e. when you press enter after typing --- a single line appears. Pressing it after the ~~~ makes a double-line. However, i have to say that getting a line from the draw menu was inspired. LibreOffice is designed for you to create things in one of the apps/modules and then pull them into one of the other ones. So you could make something fancy in Draw and then use that in Writer. If opening Writer takes ages but after it's open you open a Draw document you will notice the Draw one appears really quite fast. LO is much more tightly integrated like that than MSO. Regards from Tom :) From: William Drago wdr...@suffolk.lib.ny.us To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 28 June 2013, 12:32 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing I was desperately look for this yesterday morning. I finally resorted to drawing a line using the draw menu. Now I am trying to do it the new way, described below, and that doesn't work either. On this page (https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Drawing_Lines_in_Text) the instructions say: 1. Create a horizontal line by applying the preset Paragraph Style Horizontal Line. Click into an empty paragraph, and double-click the Horizontal Line Style in the Styles and Formatting window. If the entry for horizontal lines is not visible in the list of Paragraph Styles, select All Styles in the lower listbox. Well, there is no Horizontal Line Style listed even after selecting All Styles. So, what is the official, documented replacement for Insert Horizontal Line? -Bill On 6/13/2013 10:48 AM, Maurice Batey wrote: Having installed Mageia-3 on a trial basis, I have come across an omission in its LO 4.0.3.3 that I have been using on Mageia-2's LO 3.5.7.2, namely 'Insert: Horizontal rule' The result is that any document prepared with 3.5.7.2 does not appear correctly under 4.0.3.3. I see from: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/14922/why-is-horizontal-line-broken-in-401/ that the omission is a deliberate change rather than accidental (although it seems the Help info still thinks otherwise...). Why on earth drop a feature that people are using? What is the rationale? Failing any other solution to my problem, is there any way I can copy the 3.5.7.2 'ruler' file over in to 4.0.3.3 so that the latter shows the lines properly? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: any word about 4.0.4 portable coming out?
Hi :) Ahah. Yes, it is not in the Ubuntu-ised versions and probably not on the direct upstream download for any GnuLinux. It's only on the Windows version. Most programs seem to have their update thing in their Help menu so it would be good to have there too but i quite like it being so 'noticeable' [coughs]. Even if it's a bit ambiguous and then doesn't quite do what you would expect when you do figure it out. There is no reason i know of to have the feature in just one place as different places could point to the same actions. That is interesting to hear about the different icon styles. It turns out that there are quite a selection that you can download to personalise your version of LibreOffice. i haven't quite found out where yet. Regards from Tom :) From: M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com; Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 28 June 2013, 13:43 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: any word about 4.0.4 portable coming out? 2013/6/27 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) I'm on an Xp machine (well on the Windows side of a dual-boot machine) and LO 4.0.3 has a tiny little green arrow on the far right at the top just under the minimise, window, close buttons. When i wave the mouse arrow over it a tool-tips yellow bubble appears telling me an update is available. Sadly when i click on that the magic doesn't happen. It just opens a tab in Firefox taking me to the downloads page. Something else i find odd about the UI is that sometimes the Save button/icon looks like a floppy-disk (anyone else remember them?) and sometimes has a more modern, errr green arrow again. I was proudly boasting to someone that LO was so advanced that it was the 1st program to move away from using the floppy-disk icon and then he showed me it was still there. G Anyway, getting back on-topic it seems the protable version has been released at last. Florian did his magic tricks and it's appeared. Regards from Tom :) From: M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com; Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 27 June 2013, 17:15 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: any word about 4.0.4 portable coming out? 2013/6/27 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) Ok, that makes sense. The problem now is to make the upgrade smoother so it's easier to upgrade within a branch, eg from 4.0.1 to 4.0.2 and onwards. Preferably not completely automatic but easy enough so that users can click on the upgrade button even if they don't have Super User / Admin level privileges. Like Firefox allows. At the moment i think people still have to download and do a fresh install of the newer release even if it is in the same branch. I do get the impression that is what the devs are aiming for anyway. The little green arrow is fairly new. At the moment it just lets you know there is a new version to download but it looks like one day it will be possible to just click on that and sit back to watch the magic. Regards from Tom :) Generally speaking, Tom, my experience is that one has to go to the LibreOffice website and download the latest and greatest step every time it is released ; it is rarely that I see an update notice and that little green arrow. The above holds true for Windows 7 and 8 ; on Linux Mint all I have to do is wait for the Ubuntu PPAs to get updated - it took perhaps a little more than a week after the 4.0.4.2 was released for it automatically to be installed over 4.0.3.3. Hitherto I'm ver impressed with it - it seems to load even more quickly than its predecessor. Kudos to the developers !... Henri ... Tom I've just finished upgrading 10 machines with different versions of Windows - Win7 and Win8 - installed (on my Linux HDDs - Mint 15 and Ubuntu 12.04 - I let the Ubuntu PPA do the heavy lifting for me) and the arrow you mention above - which I do remember having seen earlier, but not consistently , never appeared. I'd like to suggest the following for the consideration of the developers : placing a link to a «Check/Search for updates» feature under «Help» in the LO menu bar. This would correspond to received usage - and thus be «intuitive» to many users - and facilitate checking for updates even if, as in my case, the arrow that is supposed to appear under the window-management buttons should fail to do so Henri PS : On Linux Mint 15 with the Cinnamon desktop interface, the «Save» and «Save as» icons are an A4 sheet with an arrow pointing downwards to the right. Easy to understand (and the tool tip does say «Save»). Agree with you that it's high time the floppy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Nabble or smth like that
Hi :) To use Nabble you do still need to be subscribed to the list, unless you don't want to be able to post to it. There are different options for how you subscribe though. There is one called nomail although i am not certain it works the way one would expect. So, it might be better to use the Digest method to resubscribe. Regards from Tom :) From: V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu To: NickKolok nickko...@mail.ru; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 28 June 2013, 19:31 Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Nabble or smth like that Nick, This is the link to the LibreOffice Nabble User mail-list archive http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Users-f1639498.html And usnsubscribe by sending an email to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org or if you were taking a digest of the mail list: users+unsubscribe-dig...@global.libreoffice.org More help about unsubscribe is here: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe Stuart From: NickKolok [nickko...@mail.ru] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 10:58 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Nabble or smth like that Greetings from Russia, comrads! I've heard that there is a way to unsubsribe from this mailing list and read messages on a website called something like Nabble. Could ypou please tell me more about this? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Spelling controle
Hi :) Translating into English; Dear Sir / Madam. After the last update of LibreOffice Version 4.0.4.2 the spell checker (Dutch) suddenly not good. All words are underlined in red. All language settings are Default Dutch (NL) It seems like there is no dictionary is available. If I right click on a word and select Add to add NL.dic or standaard.dic then the red line remains away. Hopefully you know the solution to this problem. Greetings Regards from Tom :) From: Jan Jel Opdam jan...@hetnet.nl To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 1 July 2013, 13:45 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Spelling controle Geachte heer / mevrouw. Na de laatste update van Libre Office Versie 4.0.4.2 .4.2 Werkt de spelling controle (Nederlands) niet meer goed alle woorden worden rood onderstreept. Alle Taal instellingen staan op Standaard Nederlands (NL) Het lijkt alsof er geen woordenlijst aanwezig is. Als ik op een woord rechtsklik en toevoegen selecteer dan toevoeg aan NL.dic of aan standaard.dic Dan blijft het rode lijntje wel weg. Hopelijk weet u de oplossing voor dit probleem. Hartelijke groeten Jan. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Need header outside right margin
Hi :) If it is not working in newer releases then please just post a bug report and include the last version number where you noticed it working as well as the first version where you noticed it not working any more. You don't need to try out tons of versions to precisely pinpoint it although that might be helpful if you do have time. Not all features can be comprehensively tested unless we have tons of people doing the testing. That is why it helps if you can do even a quick test of a new branch while it is still in alpha or beta-testing or at least early in the branch's release cycle (like 4.1.0 or 4.1.2) Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com; William Drago wdr...@suffolk.lib.ny.us Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 1 July 2013, 12:56 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Need header outside right margin There are two ways of setting a left and right margin in a header. One way is to do it in the page formatting and page style settings where you set left and right margins for the page and header. LO doesn't seem to recognize negative header margins in the page formatting/style dialogs. The other way is in the paragraph formatting and paragraph style settings, where you set the negative indents in the Indents and Spacing tab of the paragraph formatting dialog boxes. My version of LO *does* recognize negative header indents in the paragraph formatting/style dialogs. I'm using LO 3.6.6.2 on a Win7 machine. If a newer version of LO doesn't allow negative paragraph indents beyond the page margins, it only underscores my frustration with LO's version release philosophy. New versions should *never* go backwards in terms of bugs. Virgil -Original Message- From: Steve Edmonds Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 11:29 PM To: William Drago Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Need header outside right margin Your right, someones mucked it up. I have quite a few documents with the header wider than the page margins from an older version. They open ok and show the header wider, I have not tried an edit to see if my formatting is lost or not. I have some vague recollection of a tick box about synchronise header and page width or header width the same as the page but not sure where that came from (as it aint there now). Oops, formatting lost, the headers (and footers) have now been shrunk by LO to match the page margins. steve On 2013-07-01 13:44, William Drago wrote: Negative indents are rejected by LO. If I type -1.00 the minus sign is dropped as soon as I click Apply. -Bill On 6/26/2013 1:31 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi William, William Drago schrieb: All, I am working on a research paper. The required page layout puts last name, working title, and page number in the upper right hand corner of each page, outside the right hand margin. It is similar to what is shown here, but has to appear on every page, not just the first page, and has to be outside the right margin and closer to the top of the page. http://www15.uta.fi/FAST/PK6/CITEX/TRADMOD/trad-mla.html How can this be done in LO Writer? Something, that should be repeated on each page, goes into the header or footer. If this should be beyond the right edge of the text area, you can use a negative indent of the paragraph in the header. You can use a frame anchored to the header paragraph as well. A frame has the advantage, that the position is more flexible. Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] close application/document
Hi :)
Nicely done! Another one for the competition! :)
Regards from
Tom :)
From: Vieri rentor...@yahoo.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Cc: and...@pitonyak.org
Sent: Sunday, 30 June 2013, 22:14
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] close application/document
Hi,
Sorry for the late reply but I just submitted a bug report:
https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=66419
Thanks,
Vieri
--- On Fri, 6/21/13, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote:
Off hand, it sounds like a bug...
If I close a document from the GUI, it opens the desktop
thing. I
wonder why a macro works differently. This is probably due
to
interaction between the macro infrastructure and LO, but I
am only
guessing. If you open a bug against it, indicate that here
and I will
add some comments to your bug.
On 06/21/2013 02:03 PM, Vieri wrote:
By the way, the same thing happens if I use a Basic
macro with a call to:
thisComponent.close(true)
The soffice.{bin,exe} processes keep running in the
background when they shouldn't (even on Windows, I'm not
using the quickstarter).
I'm expecting the processes to terminate after .close()
(I don't want the extra memory footprint).
So could this be a bug?
Vieri
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Re: [libreoffice-users] missing features
Hi :) There are specialist products available that can deliver stuff that is outside the scope of an Office Suite. Even if you restrict ourself to Open Source only there are still quite a few choices. If you are looking for just a bookkeeping package then GnuCash might be superb for your needs. If you want RSS feeds on what is happening on the stock-exchange then again there might be other packages to look into. Calc does have some functions/equations for calculating various useful financial statistics from source numbers, or from the results of other equations based on source figures, or Regards from Tom :) From: Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 29 June 2013, 20:15 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] missing features Hi Patrick, Patrick Dreier schrieb: Hello! Can you adding a financial software in the Libreoffice. With king regards! financial software is very vague. There exists a lot of financial functions in Calc. Can you please describe in detail what you are looking for? Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] missing features
Hi :) Sorry, i didn't realise you weren't properly subscribed to this mailing list yet so i hadn't included your address in the To or CC fields of the email. Apols and regards from Tom :) From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 1 July 2013, 19:55 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] missing features Hi :) There are specialist products available that can deliver stuff that is outside the scope of an Office Suite. Even if you restrict ourself to Open Source only there are still quite a few choices. If you are looking for just a bookkeeping package then GnuCash might be superb for your needs. If you want RSS feeds on what is happening on the stock-exchange then again there might be other packages to look into. Calc does have some functions/equations for calculating various useful financial statistics from source numbers, or from the results of other equations based on source figures, or Regards from Tom :) From: Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 29 June 2013, 20:15 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] missing features Hi Patrick, Patrick Dreier schrieb: Hello! Can you adding a financial software in the Libreoffice. With king regards! financial software is very vague. There exists a lot of financial functions in Calc. Can you please describe in detail what you are looking for? Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice no mail client.
Hi :) Thunderbird is OpenSource https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/ Various web-browsers have an email client built-in. Seamonkey does. I think Opera does, it used to and i can't imagine them writing it out. On GnuLinux and possibly Bsd there is Evolution which is similar to Outlook in looks and functionality except it does things the sensible way and has standards. Regards from Tom :) From: wsadm...@hep-tech.com.tw wsadm...@hep-tech.com.tw To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 1:31 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice no mail client. Hi All! Libreoffice will the development of mail client? Foxmail isn't open source. |_eang Jia -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice no mail client.
Hi :) If you don't mind it being non-OpenSource an excellent one is The Bat!. I've not used it myself but it seems to be being raved about by Windows users that aren't into OpenSource. Errr, i also don't know if it's free or where to get it. Regards from Tom :) From: wsadm...@hep-tech.com.tw wsadm...@hep-tech.com.tw To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 1:31 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice no mail client. Hi All! Libreoffice will the development of mail client? Foxmail isn't open source. |_eang Jia -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes
Hi :) Also try Tools - Options - Memory and increase the various sizes. I have it set at something like 20Mb/object and above the Use for LibreOffice set a LOT higher than i expect the final documents to be. Around 50Mb might be a good idea. However, crashes are usually a result of Java behaving badly. You can probably switch Java off completely or just switch it off for LIbreOffice Tools - Options - Advanced The top tick-box lets you switch it off. The next most common cause is some problem in your User Profile so you might want to temporarily get back to factory defaults by renaming your User Profile https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile One person found that upgrading to a more recent version of LibreOffice solved a crashing problem There is another rare and intermittent bug to do with images. It's been around since OOo 2.(something) but is very rare and difficult to pin-down because it is not easy to reproduce conditions reliably. Best work-arounds are 1. Switch off the auto-back-up! But then you have to keep making sure you do save regularly and fairly frequently, perhaps incrementing versions occasionally to ensure you can easily go back to a previous state. 2. to keep a copy of all the images in a sub-folder in the same folder as the document, or elsewhere that is easy to get to so that if images do vanish from the document then it's easy to replace them 3. Work on your document locally and then upload back to the network or Cloud or usb-stick or where-ever you keep it. Regards from Tom :) From: Dries Feys dries.f...@tvh.com To: Thomas Blasejewicz tho...@s7.dion.ne.jp Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 8:45 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes You could try version 3.6.6 or 4.0.4. Do you have enough ram? On what OS are you working? Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards, DRIES FEYS CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer T +32 56 43 42 45 • F +32 56 43 44 46 • dries.f...@tvh.com TVH GROUP NV Brabantstraat 15 • BE-8790 WAREGEM T +32 56 43 42 11 • F +32 56 43 44 88 • www.tvh.com On 2 July 2013 09:15, Thomas Blasejewicz tho...@s7.dion.ne.jp wrote: Good afternoon I do have an ordinary ODF Writer file, about 14 MB in size because of about 60 monochrome pictures (writing a book). This file is usually open in print preview mode. When I try to switch to web layout, so that I can see more text without all those funky margins and spaces between pages, LibreOffice (3.6.5.2) ALWAYS crashes due to an unexpected error as it calls it. Is there anything I can do about this VERY annoying behavior? Thank you. Thomas -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Spelling controle
Hi :) In English Op de onderstaande link kan je een zip-bestand downloaden, en daar zitde oplossing in verpakt. = On the link below you can download a zip file, containing the fix Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, = Regards, Salutations distinguished Errr, that last word was in French and the rest in Dutch. So i guess Dutch speakers slip into French occasionally just like we do. Many thanks all, especially Manfred! :) Regards from Tom :) From: Dries Feys dries.f...@tvh.com To: Manfred J. Krause courrier.oou.fr@googlemail.com Cc: Jan Jel Opdam jan...@hetnet.nl; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 8:21 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Spelling controle Thx, works like a charm! Jan, Op de onderstaande link kan je een zip-bestand downloaden, en daar zit de oplossing in verpakt. Success! Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards, DRIES FEYS CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer On 1 July 2013 17:28, Manfred J. Krause courrier.oou.fr@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, please have a look at Dutch spell check does not work correctly http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/19637/dutch-spell-check-does-not-work-correctly/?answer=19650#post-id-19650 Good luck! Manfred On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Dries Feys dries.feys-at-tvh.com wrote: I translate can confirm on my system. I have the impression the dutch word list is switched with another language list. After the latest update of Libre Office 4.0.4.2, the spell check (Dutch) doesn't work anymore. All words are red underlined. All language settings are on Standard Dutch (NL). It seems the word list is empty. If I right-click on a word, and choose add to NL.dic, then the red line disappears. I hope you know the solution to this problem. Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards, DRIES FEYS CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer 2013/7/1 Jan Jel Opdam janjel-at-hetnet.nl: Geachte heer / mevrouw. Na de laatste update van Libre Office Versie 4.0.4.2 .4.2 Werkt de spelling controle (Nederlands) niet meer goed alle woorden worden rood onderstreept. Alle Taal instellingen staan op Standaard Nederlands (NL) Het lijkt alsof er geen woordenlijst aanwezig is. Als ik op een woord rechtsklik en toevoegen selecteer dan toevoeg aan NL.dic of aan standaard.dic Dan blijft het rode lijntje wel weg. Hopelijk weet u de oplossing voor dit probleem. Hartelijke groeten Jan. -- I'm Sorry http://xkcd.com/945/ -- DISCLAIMER http://www.tvh.com/newen2/emaildisclaimer/default.html This message is delivered to all addressees subject to the conditions set forth in the attached disclaimer, which is an integral part of this message. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Big Thanks :) Re: off-list Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: any word about 4.0.4 portable coming out?
Hi :) Good point. Jorge is another classic example of a total star here. I've already mentioned Tim haven't i? Regards from Tom :) From: jorge jrodrigue...@cpcecr.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 4:47 Subject: Re: off-list Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: any word about 4.0.4 portable coming out? +1 El jue, 27-06-2013 a las 17:13 +0100, Tom Davies escribió: Hi :) There are certain names i keep noticing and saying thanks to but there are quite a few others that i never notice despite them putting in tons of hard work. I usually try to delete most LibreOffice emails but quite a few slip through but just did a quick search of your name and found you have been extremely active since at least Jan 2012. So, well over a year without any thanks! So a BIG THANKS from me!! :))) I wonder if it might be good to make a wiki-page list of people we think are owed a thanks. I think i would want to include people that i don't personally get on with particularly well or even argue against a lot because we have all made LibreOffice what it is today and that result is superb. Other mailing lists, such as the devs and docs team have lists of their contributors, or their top contributors but we don't have anything like it yet. One reason i noticed this over-sight was the QA people wrote to me to ask how to get more people interested in their competition and i really didn't have a good answer. I don't think i have the type of influence they were looking for. Quite the opposite in fact. However, they made just a couple more posts to this list and that seems to have generated fantastic results. So, good work to all!! I hope you are having fun over there and maybe considered trying out a few other teams too. Even if not then still many thanks for your work on this list. Many thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 27 June 2013, 1:45 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: any word about 4.0.4 portable coming out? This question makes me wonder, just why there are so many LO versions and frequent new releases. I can't keep up, and I find myself torn about upgrading. I want the latest and greatest, but I've had problems with newer versions resurrecting old bugs. I'm sure there's an overriding philosophy that has been adopted, but I wonder if we might be better served with fewer new releases. Apache seems to have taken quite the opposite approach with no new releases of AOO since its 3.4.1. Perhaps something somewhere between the two extremes might be nice. Virgil -Original Message- From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 8:19 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: any word about 4.0.4 portable coming out? snip / -- Atentamente, Jorge Rodríguez -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes
Hi :) That is weird. It might still be a User Profile issue on all the machines. Most likely is a particular Extension/Add-on that you have on all machines. Do you have anything like that? If you rename the User Profile on just 1 machine as a test rather than doing it on all machines. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile wrt to replying to the list you are not the only one. I didn't even realise your reply didn't go to the list and was wondering why no-one else responded to my post. We have to use Reply to all or Group reply rather than just the normal Reply to. It is annoying a few of us but there doesn't seem to be anything any of us can do about it. Apols and regards from Tom :) From: Thomas Blasejewicz tho...@s7.dion.ne.jp To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 16:39 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes I am sorry, I responded (again) only to Mr. Davies and not the list. There seems to be a trick to it ... (2013/07/02 18:26), Tom Davies wrote: Hi Also try Tools - Options - Memory and increase the various sizes. I have it set at something like 20Mb/object and above the Use for LibreOffice set a LOT higher than i expect the final documents to be. Around 50Mb might be a good idea. However, crashes are usually a result of Java behaving badly. You can probably switch Java off completely or just switch it off for LIbreOffice Tools - Options - Advanced The top tick-box lets you switch it off. The next most common cause is some problem in your User Profile so you might want to temporarily get back to factory defaults by renaming your User Profile https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile Well, I run LO on Win XP SP3, 2.5 GB RAM Turned off ALL other software Set memory per object to 20 MB memory for LO to 50 MB changed version of JAVA turned JAVA off so far no improvement. reset user profile? not yet. Iif I do that, I suppose I loose all my styles, templates, autotext, macros etc., right? Or will they remain available? Anyway, that is an adventure I may try when I am at leisure after dinner or so ... One more thing: the exact same thing happens exactly in the same way on three different computers. Two running Windows XP, one Win 7. Can this still be problem with the user profile? One person found that upgrading to a more recent version of LibreOffice solved a crashing problem There is another rare and intermittent bug to do with images. It's been around since OOo 2.(something) but is very rare and difficult to pin-down because it is not easy to reproduce conditions reliably. Best work-arounds are 1. Switch off the auto-back-up! But then you have to keep making sure you do save regularly and fairly frequently, perhaps incrementing versions occasionally to ensure you can easily go back to a previous state. 2. to keep a copy of all the images in a sub-folder in the same folder as the document, or elsewhere that is easy to get to so that if images do vanish from the document then it's easy to replace them 3. Work on your document locally and then upload back to the network or Cloud or usb-stick or where-ever you keep it. Regards from Tom *From:* Dries Feys dries.f...@tvh.com *To:* Thomas Blasejewicz tho...@s7.dion.ne.jp *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 8:45 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes You could try version 3.6.6 or 4.0.4. Do you have enough ram? On what OS are you working? Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards, DRIES FEYS CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer T +32 56 43 42 45 • F +32 56 43 44 46 • dries.f...@tvh.com mailto:dries.f...@tvh.com TVH GROUP NV Brabantstraat 15 • BE-8790 WAREGEM T +32 56 43 42 11 • F +32 56 43 44 88 • www.tvh.com On 2 July 2013 09:15, Thomas Blasejewicz tho...@s7.dion.ne.jp mailto:tho...@s7.dion.ne.jp wrote: Good afternoon I do have an ordinary ODF Writer file, about 14 MB in size because of about 60 monochrome pictures (writing a book). This file is usually open in print preview mode. When I try to switch to web layout, so that I can see more text without all those funky margins and spaces between pages, LibreOffice (3.6.5.2) ALWAYS crashes due to an unexpected error as it calls it. Is there anything I can do about this VERY annoying behavior? Thank you. Thomas -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http
Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes
Hi :) I don't mind getting 2 copies of so many emails. After clearing 20 emails i feel better than after clearing just 10 and almost double-clicking the delete key is not really tough for me. I know it does infuriate some other people though. My main worry is if no-one on the list sees my replies so i usually quickly glance at the To and CC fields to see who is getting the response. Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: Thomas Blasejewicz tho...@s7.dion.ne.jp; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 18:11 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes Hit reply all. This is the only list I belong to that requires that selection. Then, the person you're replying to gets two emails, unless after hitting reply all you go into the To box and manually delete the extra emails. Virgil -Original Message- From: Thomas Blasejewicz Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:39 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes I am sorry, I responded (again) only to Mr. Davis and lot the list. There seems to be a trick to it ... (2013/07/02 18:26), Tom Davies wrote: Hi Also try Tools - Options - Memory and increase the various sizes. I have it set at something like 20Mb/object and above the Use for LibreOffice set a LOT higher than i expect the final documents to be. Around 50Mb might be a good idea. However, crashes are usually a result of Java behaving badly. You can probably switch Java off completely or just switch it off for LIbreOffice Tools - Options - Advanced The top tick-box lets you switch it off. The next most common cause is some problem in your User Profile so you might want to temporarily get back to factory defaults by renaming your User Profile https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile Well, I run LO on Win XP SP3, 2.5 GB RAM Turned off ALL other software Set memory per object to 20 MB memory for LO to 50 MB changed version of JAVA turned JAVA off so far no improvement. reset user profile? not yet. Iif I do that, I suppose I loose all my styles, templates, autotext, macros etc., right? Or will they remain available? Anyway, that is an adventure I may try when I am at leisure after dinner or so ... One more thing: the exact same thing happens exactly in the same way on three different computers. Two running Windows XP, one Win 7. Can this still be problem with the user profile? One person found that upgrading to a more recent version of LibreOffice solved a crashing problem There is another rare and intermittent bug to do with images. It's been around since OOo 2.(something) but is very rare and difficult to pin-down because it is not easy to reproduce conditions reliably. Best work-arounds are 1. Switch off the auto-back-up! But then you have to keep making sure you do save regularly and fairly frequently, perhaps incrementing versions occasionally to ensure you can easily go back to a previous state. 2. to keep a copy of all the images in a sub-folder in the same folder as the document, or elsewhere that is easy to get to so that if images do vanish from the document then it's easy to replace them 3. Work on your document locally and then upload back to the network or Cloud or usb-stick or where-ever you keep it. Regards from Tom *From:* Dries Feys dries.f...@tvh.com *To:* Thomas Blasejewicz tho...@s7.dion.ne.jp *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 8:45 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes You could try version 3.6.6 or 4.0.4. Do you have enough ram? On what OS are you working? Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards, DRIES FEYS CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer T +32 56 43 42 45 • F +32 56 43 44 46 • dries.f...@tvh.com mailto:dries.f...@tvh.com TVH GROUP NV Brabantstraat 15 • BE-8790 WAREGEM T +32 56 43 42 11 • F +32 56 43 44 88 • www.tvh.com On 2 July 2013 09:15, Thomas Blasejewicz tho...@s7.dion.ne.jp mailto:tho...@s7.dion.ne.jp wrote: Good afternoon I do have an ordinary ODF Writer file, about 14 MB in size because of about 60 monochrome pictures (writing a book). This file is usually open in print preview mode. When I try to switch to web layout, so that I can see more text without all those funky margins and spaces between pages, LibreOffice (3.6.5.2) ALWAYS crashes due to an unexpected error as it calls it. Is there anything I can do about this VERY annoying behavior? Thank you. Thomas -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org
Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes
Hi :) Thunderbird has some really good features like that. It's made for and by the wider Open Source community and recommended by a lot of individuals in many different OpenSource groups. Regards from Tom :) From: Scott Castaline skotch...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 20:32 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thunderbird (at least on Linux, can't speak for other platforms), If the list requires it you have 2 different reply options. One that replies to the originator of the particular message and the other has a drop down that gives options of Reply List, Reply All, just Reply. I beleive that the Reply All will have the below mentioned behavior of sending to the list plus to the originator. On mine I have Reply List so it will not send a second copy to the originator. Also on other lists I only one of the 2 buttons available, only this and a couple of others are they both there. I believe that it's something that gets embedded into the email header by the email server running the particular list(s). On 07/02/2013 01:32 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) That is weird. It might still be a User Profile issue on all the machines. Most likely is a particular Extension/Add-on that you have on all machines. Do you have anything like that? If you rename the User Profile on just 1 machine as a test rather than doing it on all machines. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile wrt to replying to the list you are not the only one. I didn't even realise your reply didn't go to the list and was wondering why no-one else responded to my post. We have to use Reply to all or Group reply rather than just the normal Reply to. It is annoying a few of us but there doesn't seem to be anything any of us can do about it. Apols and regards from Tom :) From: Thomas Blasejewicz tho...@s7.dion.ne.jp To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 16:39 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes I am sorry, I responded (again) only to Mr. Davies and not the list. There seems to be a trick to it ... (2013/07/02 18:26), Tom Davies wrote: Hi Also try Tools - Options - Memory and increase the various sizes. I have it set at something like 20Mb/object and above the Use for LibreOffice set a LOT higher than i expect the final documents to be. Around 50Mb might be a good idea. However, crashes are usually a result of Java behaving badly. You can probably switch Java off completely or just switch it off for LIbreOffice Tools - Options - Advanced The top tick-box lets you switch it off. The next most common cause is some problem in your User Profile so you might want to temporarily get back to factory defaults by renaming your User Profile https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile Well, I run LO on Win XP SP3, 2.5 GB RAM Turned off ALL other software Set memory per object to 20 MB memory for LO to 50 MB changed version of JAVA turned JAVA off so far no improvement. reset user profile? not yet. Iif I do that, I suppose I loose all my styles, templates, autotext, macros etc., right? Or will they remain available? Anyway, that is an adventure I may try when I am at leisure after dinner or so ... One more thing: the exact same thing happens exactly in the same way on three different computers. Two running Windows XP, one Win 7. Can this still be problem with the user profile? One person found that upgrading to a more recent version of LibreOffice solved a crashing problem There is another rare and intermittent bug to do with images. It's been around since OOo 2.(something) but is very rare and difficult to pin-down because it is not easy to reproduce conditions reliably. Best work-arounds are 1. Switch off the auto-back-up! But then you have to keep making sure you do save regularly and fairly frequently, perhaps incrementing versions occasionally to ensure you can easily go back to a previous state. 2. to keep a copy of all the images in a sub-folder in the same folder as the document, or elsewhere that is easy to get to so that if images do vanish from the document then it's easy to replace them 3. Work on your document locally and then upload back to the network or Cloud or usb-stick or where-ever you keep it. Regards from Tom *From:* Dries Feys dries.f...@tvh.com *To:* Thomas Blasejewicz tho...@s7.dion.ne.jp *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 8:45 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes You could try version 3.6.6 or 4.0.4. Do you have enough ram? On what OS are you working? Met vriendelijke groeten
Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes
Hi :) We are going off-topic. Normally i quite enjoy that but in this case the o.p's problem is not yet solved. Also i don't want to be an apologist for an awkward set-up that i don't like either. I've been told that a lot of people did pester the-powers-that-be to make the lists as they are and that the poll we took didn't get close to the same numbers of people requesting the more sensible method we used to have or some other more sensible method. The timing was really ironic for me. Regards from Tom :) From: Girvin R. Herr girvin.h...@sbcglobal.net To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Thomas Blasejewicz tho...@s7.dion.ne.jp; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 20:22 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes When this odd mailist behavior was instituted a while back, many people complained and it was decided by the instituter that there was to be a poll about it and if most people in the poll complained, they would return to the standard behavior. What ever happened to that? All I see are complaints about this behavior. I don't remember anyone saying they loved it. Like the other poster, I find it mildly annoying - especially after sending, I realize I used the wrong method and have to do it all over again. That's not very productive. Girvin Herr Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) That is weird. It might still be a User Profile issue on all the machines. Most likely is a particular Extension/Add-on that you have on all machines. Do you have anything like that? If you rename the User Profile on just 1 machine as a test rather than doing it on all machines. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile wrt to replying to the list you are not the only one. I didn't even realise your reply didn't go to the list and was wondering why no-one else responded to my post. We have to use Reply to all or Group reply rather than just the normal Reply to. It is annoying a few of us but there doesn't seem to be anything any of us can do about it. Apols and regards from Tom :) From: Thomas Blasejewicz tho...@s7.dion.ne.jp To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 16:39 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes I am sorry, I responded (again) only to Mr. Davies and not the list. There seems to be a trick to it ... (2013/07/02 18:26), Tom Davies wrote: Hi Also try Tools - Options - Memory and increase the various sizes. I have it set at something like 20Mb/object and above the Use for LibreOffice set a LOT higher than i expect the final documents to be. Around 50Mb might be a good idea. However, crashes are usually a result of Java behaving badly. You can probably switch Java off completely or just switch it off for LIbreOffice Tools - Options - Advanced The top tick-box lets you switch it off. The next most common cause is some problem in your User Profile so you might want to temporarily get back to factory defaults by renaming your User Profile https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile Well, I run LO on Win XP SP3, 2.5 GB RAM Turned off ALL other software Set memory per object to 20 MB memory for LO to 50 MB changed version of JAVA turned JAVA off so far no improvement. reset user profile? not yet. Iif I do that, I suppose I loose all my styles, templates, autotext, macros etc., right? Or will they remain available? Anyway, that is an adventure I may try when I am at leisure after dinner or so ... One more thing: the exact same thing happens exactly in the same way on three different computers. Two running Windows XP, one Win 7. Can this still be problem with the user profile? One person found that upgrading to a more recent version of LibreOffice solved a crashing problem There is another rare and intermittent bug to do with images. It's been around since OOo 2.(something) but is very rare and difficult to pin-down because it is not easy to reproduce conditions reliably. Best work-arounds are 1. Switch off the auto-back-up! But then you have to keep making sure you do save regularly and fairly frequently, perhaps incrementing versions occasionally to ensure you can easily go back to a previous state. 2. to keep a copy of all the images in a sub-folder in the same folder as the document, or elsewhere that is easy to get to so that if images do vanish from the document then it's easy to replace them 3. Work on your document locally and then upload back to the network or Cloud or usb-stick or where-ever you keep it. Regards from Tom   *From:* Dries Feys dries.f...@tvh.com   *To:* Thomas Blasejewicz tho...@s7.dion.ne.jp   *Cc:* users
Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes
Hi :) Thanks :) [bows] This list seems to be one of the most positive in the project. It's a good crowd of people here. Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 19:38 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes Tom, You have got to be the most positive thinking person I've ever met, even if only through cyberspace. I aspire to your positive outlook. (And I'm not being facetious or sarcastic.) Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:45 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes Hi :) I don't mind getting 2 copies of so many emails. After clearing 20 emails i feel better than after clearing just 10 and almost double-clicking the delete key is not really tough for me. I know it does infuriate some other people though. My main worry is if no-one on the list sees my replies so i usually quickly glance at the To and CC fields to see who is getting the response. Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: Thomas Blasejewicz tho...@s7.dion.ne.jp; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 18:11 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes Hit reply all. This is the only list I belong to that requires that selection. Then, the person you're replying to gets two emails, unless after hitting reply all you go into the To box and manually delete the extra emails. Virgil -Original Message- From: Thomas Blasejewicz Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:39 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes I am sorry, I responded (again) only to Mr. Davis and lot the list. There seems to be a trick to it ... (2013/07/02 18:26), Tom Davies wrote: Hi Also try Tools - Options - Memory and increase the various sizes. I have it set at something like 20Mb/object and above the Use for LibreOffice set a LOT higher than i expect the final documents to be. Around 50Mb might be a good idea. However, crashes are usually a result of Java behaving badly. You can probably switch Java off completely or just switch it off for LIbreOffice Tools - Options - Advanced The top tick-box lets you switch it off. The next most common cause is some problem in your User Profile so you might want to temporarily get back to factory defaults by renaming your User Profile https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile Well, I run LO on Win XP SP3, 2.5 GB RAM Turned off ALL other software Set memory per object to 20 MB memory for LO to 50 MB changed version of JAVA turned JAVA off so far no improvement. reset user profile? not yet. Iif I do that, I suppose I loose all my styles, templates, autotext, macros etc., right? Or will they remain available? Anyway, that is an adventure I may try when I am at leisure after dinner or so ... One more thing: the exact same thing happens exactly in the same way on three different computers. Two running Windows XP, one Win 7. Can this still be problem with the user profile? One person found that upgrading to a more recent version of LibreOffice solved a crashing problem There is another rare and intermittent bug to do with images. It's been around since OOo 2.(something) but is very rare and difficult to pin-down because it is not easy to reproduce conditions reliably. Best work-arounds are 1. Switch off the auto-back-up! But then you have to keep making sure you do save regularly and fairly frequently, perhaps incrementing versions occasionally to ensure you can easily go back to a previous state. 2. to keep a copy of all the images in a sub-folder in the same folder as the document, or elsewhere that is easy to get to so that if images do vanish from the document then it's easy to replace them 3. Work on your document locally and then upload back to the network or Cloud or usb-stick or where-ever you keep it. Regards from Tom *From:* Dries Feys dries.f...@tvh.com *To:* Thomas Blasejewicz tho...@s7.dion.ne.jp *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 8:45 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes You could try version 3.6.6 or 4.0.4. Do you have enough ram? On what OS are you working? Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards, DRIES FEYS CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer T +32 56 43 42 45 • F +32 56 43 44 46 • dries.f...@tvh.com mailto:dries.f...@tvh.com TVH GROUP NV Brabantstraat 15 • BE-8790 WAREGEM T +32 56 43 42 11 • F +32 56 43 44 88 • www.tvh.com On 2 July 2013 09:15
Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug Triage Contest - Initial #'s
Hi :) So, there are still plenty of bugs to triage and it's still possible to get into the top en and win a prize, more importantly to win some more kudos Good luck all and happy hunting Regards from Tom :) From: Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org; Libreoffice-qa libreoffice...@lists.freedesktop.org; libreoffice-dev libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 22:37 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Bug Triage Contest - Initial #'s Hi All, So Joren and I worked up some numbers today, these are VERY ROUGH and I've warned multiple times about this. So, if you're participating and you don't see your name, let us know :-D If you're participating and you think the count is much too low - don't stress, the numbers are very rough and we recognize that some checking will be needed when the contest is done on Friday. So without further delay: http://joelmadero.wordpress.com/2013/07/02/rough-s/ Thanks all, if you want to join you still can, it's not too late, and I can probably still get my hands on some extra t-shirts if you participate in good faith :-D ! Best Wishes, Joel -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes
Hi :) Crashes are not normal and shouldn't be happening so often. If they happen at all then it should be rare and should be due to the user doing something dumb that they notice and makes them think oops, didn't mean to do that or deliberately killing the process. My machines are lower spec and don't suffer from crashes like this. It might be good to post a bug-report but please use one of the drop-downs to make it clear it's a feature request rather than a real bug. The real bug is whatever is causing the crash. Regards from Tom :) From: Paul D. Mirowsky p_mirow...@bentaxna.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2013, 14:42 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes It would seem that crashes like these are inevitable. However, the results may not need be. Is it possible to force a system check during loading of files above default that causes the error to generate a message Running out of memory, Document will stop loading: Press this button to re-allocate your current memory setup under Tools - Options - Memory? Thanks in advance On 7/2/2013 5:26 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Also try Tools - Options - Memory and increase the various sizes. I have it set at something like 20Mb/object and above the Use for LibreOffice set a LOT higher than i expect the final documents to be. Around 50Mb might be a good idea. However, crashes are usually a result of Java behaving badly. You can probably switch Java off completely or just switch it off for LIbreOffice Tools - Options - Advanced The top tick-box lets you switch it off. The next most common cause is some problem in your User Profile so you might want to temporarily get back to factory defaults by renaming your User Profile https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile One person found that upgrading to a more recent version of LibreOffice solved a crashing problem There is another rare and intermittent bug to do with images. It's been around since OOo 2.(something) but is very rare and difficult to pin-down because it is not easy to reproduce conditions reliably. Best work-arounds are 1. Switch off the auto-back-up! But then you have to keep making sure you do save regularly and fairly frequently, perhaps incrementing versions occasionally to ensure you can easily go back to a previous state. 2. to keep a copy of all the images in a sub-folder in the same folder as the document, or elsewhere that is easy to get to so that if images do vanish from the document then it's easy to replace them 3. Work on your document locally and then upload back to the network or Cloud or usb-stick or where-ever you keep it. Regards from Tom :) From: Dries Feys dries.f...@tvh.com To: Thomas Blasejewicz tho...@s7.dion.ne.jp Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 8:45 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] constant crashes You could try version 3.6.6 or 4.0.4. Do you have enough ram? On what OS are you working? Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards, DRIES FEYS CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer T +32 56 43 42 45 • F +32 56 43 44 46 • dries.f...@tvh.com TVH GROUP NV Brabantstraat 15 • BE-8790 WAREGEM T +32 56 43 42 11 • F +32 56 43 44 88 • www.tvh.com On 2 July 2013 09:15, Thomas Blasejewicz tho...@s7.dion.ne.jp wrote: Good afternoon I do have an ordinary ODF Writer file, about 14 MB in size because of about 60 monochrome pictures (writing a book). This file is usually open in print preview mode. When I try to switch to web layout, so that I can see more text without all those funky margins and spaces between pages, LibreOffice (3.6.5.2) ALWAYS crashes due to an unexpected error as it calls it. Is there anything I can do about this VERY annoying behavior? Thank you. Thomas -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice no mail client.
Hi :) It's good to hear people are using it more and more nowadays. They won a good fight against IE and deserve the credit for many of the freedoms we have today to be able to choose Firefox, Chrome and others that kept themselves out of the legal fight against MS but still profited from the results. Top marks to anyone that does use Opera though Regards from Tom :) From: Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com To: Sajan Parikh sa...@noppix.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2013, 11:32 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice no mail client. 2013/7/2 Sajan Parikh sa...@noppix.com: Opera have also just announced recently that they will be releasing a standalone mail client as well, with Linux support. Then I hope they will remove the built in one from the browser to make it less bloated. I just hate those dialogues that pop up sometimes when I close Opera, telling me that Opera needs to do something with my email database (which doesn't exist anyway since I only use the web interfaces for my email) or whatever… Johnny Rosenberg At the time of announcement early builds for Windows and Macs were available and Linux was coming soon. I haven't checked in a couple weeks, but there might be some progress on that. Sajan Parikh /Owner, Noppix LLC/ e: sa...@noppix.com p: (563) 726-0371 Noppix LLC Logo On 07/02/2013 06:28 AM, James Knott wrote: wsadm...@hep-tech.com.tw wrote: Hi All! Libreoffice will the development of mail client? Foxmail isn't open source. Many people use Thunderbird. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice no mail client.
Hi :) Errr, allegedly. I might have a few facts a bit wonky but that's the way i heard it Regards form Tom :) From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk To: Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com; Sajan Parikh sa...@noppix.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2013, 23:38 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice no mail client. Hi :) It's good to hear people are using it more and more nowadays. They won a good fight against IE and deserve the credit for many of the freedoms we have today to be able to choose Firefox, Chrome and others that kept themselves out of the legal fight against MS but still profited from the results. Top marks to anyone that does use Opera though Regards from Tom :) From: Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com To: Sajan Parikh sa...@noppix.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2013, 11:32 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice no mail client. 2013/7/2 Sajan Parikh sa...@noppix.com: Opera have also just announced recently that they will be releasing a standalone mail client as well, with Linux support. Then I hope they will remove the built in one from the browser to make it less bloated. I just hate those dialogues that pop up sometimes when I close Opera, telling me that Opera needs to do something with my email database (which doesn't exist anyway since I only use the web interfaces for my email) or whatever… Johnny Rosenberg At the time of announcement early builds for Windows and Macs were available and Linux was coming soon. I haven't checked in a couple weeks, but there might be some progress on that. Sajan Parikh /Owner, Noppix LLC/ e: sa...@noppix.com p: (563) 726-0371 Noppix LLC Logo On 07/02/2013 06:28 AM, James Knott wrote: wsadm...@hep-tech.com.tw wrote: Hi All! Libreoffice will the development of mail client? Foxmail isn't open source. Many people use Thunderbird. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] 2 'opens' in file menu?
Hi :) Did you install through Synaptic, or another package manager (ie from the repos or Ppas) or did you download from the LibreOffice website? Did you install the desktop-integration packages? Regards from Tom :) From: John R. Sowden jsow...@americansentry.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 21:09 Subject: [libreoffice-users] 2 'opens' in file menu? I have 2 Open menu options, both seem to to do the same thing. I have version 4.0.2.2 under Ubuntu John -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice no mail client.
Hi :) I think Opera uses a completely different back-end/engine. We, the people, did benefit. Is today Bruce Springsteen's birthday or something? I'm not in the US so i don't keep up with all these things. Regards from Tom :) From: Girvin R. Herr girvin.h...@sbcglobal.net To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com; Sajan Parikh sa...@noppix.com; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 4 July 2013, 18:39 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice no mail client. Correct me if I am wrong and I am not that familiar with Opera, but I seem to remember that Opera uses the Mozilla engine, just like Firefox and several other open source web browsers. So, who benefited from Opera's battle with MS again? We, the people, all did; which is apropos for the day! Girvin Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Errr, allegedly. I might have a few facts a bit wonky but that's the way i heard it Regards form Tom :) From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk To: Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com; Sajan Parikh sa...@noppix.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2013, 23:38 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice no mail client. Hi :) It's good to hear people are using it more and more nowadays. They won a good fight against IE and deserve the credit for many of the freedoms we have today to be able to choose Firefox, Chrome and others that kept themselves out of the legal fight against MS but still profited from the results. Top marks to anyone that does use Opera though Regards from Tom :) From: Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com To: Sajan Parikh sa...@noppix.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2013, 11:32 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice no mail client. 2013/7/2 Sajan Parikh sa...@noppix.com: Opera have also just announced recently that they will be releasing a standalone mail client as well, with Linux support. Then I hope they will remove the built in one from the browser to make it less bloated. I just hate those dialogues that pop up sometimes when I close Opera, telling me that Opera needs to do something with my email database (which doesn't exist anyway since I only use the web interfaces for my email) or whatever… Johnny Rosenberg At the time of announcement early builds for Windows and Macs were available and Linux was coming soon. I haven't checked in a couple weeks, but there might be some progress on that. Sajan Parikh /Owner, Noppix LLC/ e: sa...@noppix.com p: (563) 726-0371 Noppix LLC Logo On 07/02/2013 06:28 AM, James Knott wrote: wsadm...@hep-tech.com.tw wrote: Hi All!   Libreoffice will the development of mail client? Foxmail isn't open source. Many people use Thunderbird. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Triage Contest - Final Day
Hi :) I think there might still be just about enough time to get involved enough to win a prize. It would be tough getting through enough bug-reports in time but it is really only office-administration type of work so it's possibly more our type of thing than any other list. If you would like to get involved after the current busy period has calmed down a bit then it might be good to join their mailing list today and just lurk to see what goes on. Then tomorrow would be a good day to ask advice. Right now there are a LOT of people that have reasonable or even quite good skills and also recent experience of being a noob at QA. So it's an ideal time to learn. For everyone joining in with the competition a big GOOD LUCK to you. I'm hoping that some people from this mailing list do manage to win some prizes just for the kudos of this mailing list. Regards from Tom :) From: Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org; Libreoffice-qa libreoffice...@lists.freedesktop.org; libreoffice-dev libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org Sent: Friday, 5 July 2013, 5:07 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Triage Contest - Final Day Hi All, We've reached the final day of our great contest. I have to say that the goal that was set was incredibly ambitious (just a reminder, 25% of bugs) - and guess what, WE ARE WITHIN REACH OF THIS GOAL! We're currently sitting at 901 bugs - I think 25% needs us down to 890. Really really great work everyone, hope everyone finds some time on this last day to get a few more bugs triaged. I'll be out of town for the next 3-4 days so I will not be participating this last day but really a big thank you to everyone who did and I hope you all continue to contribute going forward - and of course for anyone who didn't participate, we'd love to have you jump into the chat and get involved. For those of you who haven't seen the #'s or are just interested in QA and what we do, feel free to take a look at the blog at: https://joelmadero.wordpress.com/ For all new contributors who participated in good faith (you know who you are ;) ) -- please send me privately your mailing address as well as the tshirt size which you would like me to order. Joren, Robinson and myself will be tallying numbers next week (might take 2 weeks or so) and then get the top 3 contestants + the first 10 new contributors a tshirt. If you weren't in the first 10, please still get me your info - I'm going to try to get my hands on the funds to get a couple more shirts together -- no promises :) Warm Regards, Joel -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice no mail client.
Hi :) I was joking but well played! :) Brucey did the famously unpatriotic song Born on the 4th of July which Ronald Reagan claimed to like despite clearly never having listened to it. A number of big-wigs were all standing around practically saluting to it as though it was the USA's national anthem but once it got beyond the chorus-line and the meaning of the song became clearer to them there were a lot of very red-faces. Good ol'Ron completely oblivious to it (or doing a good poker-face) Regards from Tom :) From: Girvin R. Herr girvin.h...@sbcglobal.net To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 4 July 2013, 22:46 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice no mail client. I stand corrected. In case you are not joking, today, July 4th, is our Independence Day, a national holiday in the US. Maybe you Brits try to forget that day, July 4, 1776. ;-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Day_(United_States) Girvin Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think Opera uses a completely different back-end/engine. We, the people, did benefit. Is today Bruce Springsteen's birthday or something? I'm not in the US so i don't keep up with all these things. Regards from Tom :) From: Girvin R. Herr girvin.h...@sbcglobal.net To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com; Sajan Parikh sa...@noppix.com; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 4 July 2013, 18:39 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice no mail client. Correct me if I am wrong and I am not that familiar with Opera, but I seem to remember that Opera uses the Mozilla engine, just like Firefox and several other open source web browsers. So, who benefited from Opera's battle with MS again? We, the people, all did; which is apropos for the day! Girvin Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Errr, allegedly. I might have a few facts a bit wonky but that's the way i heard it Regards form Tom :)  From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk To: Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com; Sajan Parikh sa...@noppix.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2013, 23:38 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice no mail client. Hi :) It's good to hear people are using it more and more nowadays. They won a good fight against IE and deserve the credit for many of the freedoms we have today to be able to choose Firefox, Chrome and others that kept themselves out of the legal fight against MS but still profited from the results. Top marks to anyone that does use Opera though Regards from Tom :)   From: Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com To: Sajan Parikh sa...@noppix.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2013, 11:32 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice no mail client. 2013/7/2 Sajan Parikh sa...@noppix.com:    Opera have also just announced recently that they will be releasing a standalone mail client as well, with Linux support.     Then I hope they will remove the built in one from the browser to make it less bloated. I just hate those dialogues that pop up sometimes when I close Opera, telling me that Opera needs to do something with my email database (which     doesn't exist anyway since I only use the web  interfaces for my email) or whatever… Johnny Rosenberg    At the time of announcement early builds for Windows and Macs were available and Linux was coming soon. I haven't checked in a couple weeks, but there might be some progress on that. Sajan Parikh /Owner, Noppix LLC/ e: sa...@noppix.com p: (563) 726-0371 Noppix LLC Logo On 07/02/2013 06:28 AM, James Knott wrote:     wsadm...@hep-tech.com.tw wrote:      Hi All!   Libreoffice will the development of mail client? Foxmail isn't open        source.  Many people use Thunderbird.      -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted     -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how
Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
Hi :) The Docs Team use Writer for all their guides. They do also have brief notes / summaries outside of whichever guide they are writing and do use their mailing list to help get consensus about side-issues. Getting involved there might help you learn tricks or at least see the process. Regards from Tom :) From: Mirosław Zalewski mini...@poczta.onet.pl To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 8 July 2013, 22:51 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer On 08/07/2013 at 22:58, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: but to me trying to write a book with LO Writer is like trying to force a square peg into a round hole. Yes, it can be done, but the labor involved may not be worth it. I think you merge two totally different ideas: writing a book and publishing a book. As for writing, Writer and LaTeX are pretty much comparable - they both sucks. They do not provide basic tools needed for writers, such as character descriptions (were her eyes blue or green?) or detailed outline of story (this is different than outline of chapters). Of course you can overcome it with nice note-taking app, custom wiki or organized papers, but in some other programs you do not have to. As for publishing (making it look beautiful), LaTeX classes and forced separation of structure and look usually provides better defaults than Writer. Agreed. But then, we talk about defaults. It's not like you can't change them. If you learn your tools and think in advance, create decent-looking long document in Writer can be done with little hassle. I have created and edited some long (100+ pages) documents in Writer and never seen anything in LaTeX that would be a dealbreaker for me. If anywhere, I would go to full-fledged DTP suite such as Adobe InDesign. -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
Hi :) When i first started using Writer i found i struggled against the software quite a bit. Often people try something new unaware of the baggage they bring with them (such as bad habits learned through years of using other products) and somehow keep managing to find unsuitable work-flows that do make it more difficult than it needs to be. It's like watching someone that is scared of the water splashing about and fighting (and failing) to stay on top. If you are now a good swimmer can you remember the first time you laid back and relaxed and found that human beings are naturally bouyant? That only small minimal strokes of your arms almost parallel to the surface are far more effective at keeping you above water than updown strokes. For me it took a huge wrench in my mind. Other people seemed to find it easy. I have taught Word as part of ECDL and other courses and people generally think i am extremely proficient with it, at least until MSO 2007, but i often found that other people's documents were a nightmare to beat into shape. Even a tiny change often threw up some unexpected formatting tangle that they had somehow managed to root deep into their document. Also old documents written with previous versions often came out all wrong. With LibreOffice it is much easier to get a good looking result that behaves itself. However if you do fight against it all the time then maybe you do need to either 1. Read up on documentation and adjust to the software and/or 2. Experiment and play with documents created by other people to see how they did it and/or 3. Experiment and play around with different ways of doing things. See if you have any baggage or bad habits that you can break-down to simplify your work-flow Otherwise, if you are always struggling against the flow then you really are better off with something that does suite you. First time i used LO to do a ToC it was a major pain. 2nd time (and from then on) i found it amazingly easy. That first time i did mess around with all sorts of aspects of it to work out how to beat it into submission. Eventually i worked out how to use it rather than to fight against it. Now it's incredibly easy. Even after a radical change i just right-click and choose update and it fixes itself. Simples ;) Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: Mirosław Zalewski mini...@poczta.onet.pl; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2013, 1:29 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer Miroslaw, You're right; I did merge *writing* and *publishing*. To that end, let me muddy the waters even more by mentioning yWriter, a software program designed specifically and solely for writing novels with many of the tools you suggest. The frustration that I've found is that there are some publishing (or formatting) tasks that are best handled completely separate from writing, such as page layout, font selection, table of contents generation, etc. However, I find other formatting tasks are better handled on the fly while typing, such as applying italics to a word. Sometimes, I find seeing the paragraph layout onscreen helpful to organizing my thoughts, which of course you won't see with a strict text editor or pure LaTeX editor. At least LyX helps by showing some formatting onscreen. Anytime I use a program like yWriter, I end up spending a lot of time later applying formatting that I could have applied on the fly with a decent word processor. That may not be a concern for a person whose work will be published, and therefore formatted, by someone else, like a professional publishing house. But, the original poster mentioned self-publishing an e-book. Virgil -Original Message- From: Mirosław Zalewski Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 5:51 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer On 08/07/2013 at 22:58, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: but to me trying to write a book with LO Writer is like trying to force a square peg into a round hole. Yes, it can be done, but the labor involved may not be worth it. I think you merge two totally different ideas: writing a book and publishing a book. As for writing, Writer and LaTeX are pretty much comparable - they both sucks. They do not provide basic tools needed for writers, such as character descriptions (were her eyes blue or green?) or detailed outline of story (this is different than outline of chapters). Of course you can overcome it with nice note-taking app, custom wiki or organized papers, but in some other programs you do not have to. As for publishing (making it look beautiful), LaTeX classes and forced separation of structure and look usually provides better defaults than Writer. Agreed. But then, we talk about defaults. It's not like you can't change them. If you learn your tools and think in
Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
Hi :) The Docs Team have looked into ePub versions and have found some good tools to use. Annoyingly i can't remember what they finally worked out was the best one so it would be really good if someone could ask them again. Anyway, perhaps there is something even better now. In my previous posts i have been a bit annoyed that people who don't spend time getting to know the tool they are using then blame the tool. In England there is a saying A poor workman always blames his tools. Sometimes the square peg trying to fit the round hole is not the tool's fault. It's all in the way the workman is misusing the tool. However, i now see that Virgil has worked hard to get to grips with LO and has spent time experimenting and working with it and probably knows a lot more about doing larger works than me. Writer, Word and WordPerfect and others do seem to be designed for business letters and fairly short works. LaTeX (and the various front-ends (such as LyX) that attempt to make it easier to use) do seem to have advantages for larger works but are more difficult to wrestle with in the beginning when you are learning how to use them. Many people try and give up or find them a total nightmare. However, people DO manage to use Writer to do larger books. Piers Anthony, the famous sci-fi writer, mentions it in the preface to most of his books. Also our Documentation Team. Our Documentation Team have even published an ePub and since found an easier way of doing it. We should be learning from them and gain from their experience. On the other hand if you have been able to learn how to use LaTeX then you probably do have a significant advantage because it is the right tool for the right job. If LyX makes LaTeX easier then go for it. Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 8 July 2013, 21:58 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer snip / trying to write a book with LO Writer is like trying to force a square peg into a round hole. snip / In my mind, Writer is a business application, useful for letters, memos, legal documents, school reports, and the like. snip / For organizing a book length document, with parts, chapters, and tables, indexes, and sub-documents, etc, I much prefer LyX and LaTeX, both of which are free and opensource. Yes, the LaTeX learning curve can be steep, but LyX makes it so much easier. snip / He wrote the original in WordPerfect, and it was a formatting mess, with stray tabs, carriage returns, and inconsistent formatting across chapter and section headings. I began the task of reformatting his 127 page novel using WordPerfect, the original program. It didn't take long for me to realize it would take days and days to wade through all of the formatting codes inserted by WP. Instead, I ... snip / ... loaded it into LyX. snip / The entire formatting process took about a half hour. I surprised even myself. I could have done the same thing with LO's styles and master documents, but they're not quite as fully automatic as LyX/LaTeX, so it would have longer. So far, however, I've found LyX/LaTeX's support for e-books to be a little lacking (but no more so than LO's). snip / In short, while I love LO, I honestly think there are better tools for the task of book and e-book writing. Virgil 2013.07.08. 7:34 keltezéssel, Pablo Dotro írta: Greetings! snip / Does anyone know about a tutorial, book or website where I can specifically learn about creating a book-length document, with chapters (as subdocuments) and a master document, consistent styling, indexing and table of contents with LibreOffice? Thank you very much for your time, and best regards, -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How to remove user-defined format codes for numbers?
Hi :) I think i might have misunderstood but just in case i didn't ... You know Ctrl A selects the entire work-sheet and you can then apply a single set of formats to the entire sheet? Regards from Tom :) From: chimak111 chimak...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2013, 12:38 Subject: [libreoffice-users] How to remove user-defined format codes for numbers? LibreOffice 4 Some of my spreadsheets have a ridiculous number of user-defined format codes (for numbers in Alt, Format, Cells, Category, Number). I think I created them when I was learning how to format numbers. Is there some elegant way I could remove all these user-defined format codes or do I have to delete them one by one? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/How-to-remove-user-defined-format-codes-for-numbers-tp4064664.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Info from 3 cells merged into 1
Hi :) Any chance someone could use Nabble so we could see the file in question? Regards from Tom :) From: Marino / WellnessWebshop.se mar...@wellnesswebshop.se To: Tom tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2013, 21:32 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Info from 3 cells merged into 1 Hi! Now it works to collect all in one cell. But I also need to copy the result - not the formula, to another spreadsheet. Now when I copy, I only copy th formula, not the result. Anybody know what to do? Best regards, Marino -Ursprungligt meddelande- From: Tom Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 11:43 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Info from 3 cells merged into 1 Hi :) Yes, attachments do get stripped off emails to the list. This thread is not the only question being dealt with here and anyway how would people reading this thread in the future manage to get the attachment? The best answer is to use Nabble. You can upload the files you want to attach using Nabble and then anyone can choose to read them or not. People in the future can see the attachment easily when they are reading this thread, they just click on the html-style link to see it. Nabble keeps the attachment very close to the thread without relying on some 3rd party service such as Drop-box or other 3rd party Cloud. Follow the links in this email to get to this thread or navigate from the official LibreOffice website. Once you get to the bit that lets you type in a comment there are various buttons just above where you type. The top item in the More button allows you to upload a file. It even has the browse button to help you find the right file(s) that works in much the same way as finding the right file to attach to an email. I don't know why we don't help people to make more and better use of Nabble. It has some really neat features that makes it much easier to help on this list. Of course many people prefer to use Gmane instead but i don't think that has the upload feature. Both are excellent ways of viewing this list's emails though. Good luck and regards from Tom :) Marino / WellnessWebshop.se wrote THANKS! This works perfect! Exactly as I want it to work - you have saved many hours for me :-) Kind regards, Marino -Ursprungligt meddelande- From: Errol Goetsch oops, perhaps attachments get stripped out on this list. I've now sent the example direct to Marino. Errol -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Info-from-3-cells-merged-into-1-tp4064559p4064641.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Clunkiness of the list, was: Fw: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Auto-sort group of cells when any cell is modified/saved?
Hi :) I have started using Reply to all for my normal emails too and mostly that works just fine. Occasionally i have to be careful and edit out certain people but mostly it works better than trying to work out which button to press for different things. Regards from Tom :) - Forwarded Message - From: Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com To: LibreOffice Användare users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 10 July 2013, 13:41 Subject: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Auto-sort group of cells when any cell is modified/saved? Once again I sent privately. I'm getting tired of this so I really don't care, but I decided to be nice today, so here's to the list. I also added some stuff at the end. -- Forwarded message -- From: Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com Date: 2013/7/10 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Auto-sort group of cells when any cell is modified/saved? To: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org 2013/7/9 Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org: Is it possible to define a range of cells to auto sort themselves, such that anytime one of them is modified, the sort is reapplied? This is some Sales Numbers for some Sales Reps, and the boss wants them to always be sorted based on the total column anytime any numbers in the sheet are changed. Currently I'm manually sorting the sheet every morning, but he'd like this to happen automatically. Thanks I'm not sure you can do it exactly like that. You can make a macro to sort your specific cells, either when you run it manually or at a specific event. Those events are ”when the document is opened” and things like that, I don't think you can trig it to ”when a cell in A1:F19 is modified” or anything like that. I would just add a button in the sheet that sorts when clicked. As a complement to that, I would probably also trig it to when document is opened and maybe saved, if that's possible. Another way is to use cell formulas to keep your cell range sorted. It's possible but somewhat complicated. I have done it, but I need to do some searching, because I don't remember in which document I did this… In that case you will probably want to use two sheets: One for data input and one for viewing (which is the auto-sorted one). If you want to sort by a column with numbers, take a look here: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/1309/is-there-an-automatic-sort-function-in-calc/ I'm doing some experiments right now to find out if this also can be achieved with text… Maybe I'll fail, I don't know… yet… Johnny Rosenberg I did some testing and I finally found how to auto-sort text, rather than just numbers. It's probably slow with big cell ranges though, since I needed to write a cell function to get the job done. I'm sure there are much better ways to do this, but this is what I came up with: First create a new cell function called SortValue. The function returns a number between 0 and 1 corresponding to the input text. This function is VERY simple and there is no error handling at all, so feel free to improve it and customise it after your likings! REM * BASIC * Option Explicit Function SortValue(sText As String) Dim sSorted As String sSorted=0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzåäö Dim iLen As Integer iLen=Len(sSorted) Dim d As Double, i As Integer sText=LCase(sText) For i=1 To iLen d=d+InStr(sSorted,Mid(sText,i,1))/iLen^i Next i SortValue=d End Function First of all, the string variable sSorted is defined as ”0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzåäö”. This is just the sort order for the characters it can handle. Feel free to remove and add characters to suite your needs. In this case, these are numbers followed by the Swedish alphabet. Only lower case characters are present since the macro converts the input string to lower case anyway. This way, ”A” gives the same numerical value as ”a”. If this isn't what you want, add uppercase letters to the list and place them right and remove the ”sText=LCase(sText)” line, or ”comment it out” by preceding the line with a ' or the text ”REM” (without the quotes). For example: sString=0123456789AaBbCcDdEeFfGgHhIiJjKkLlMmNnOoPpQqRrSsTtUuVvWwXxYyZz. Maybe you want to add other characters, like ”,.;:-” or whatever. I didn't test this with UNICODE characters, it could work, I think. By the way, my test document can be found here: http://ubuntuone.com/1I7EY6jMoZ4MYLrPejP5Eh Make sure that macro security is set so that you can run the cell formula properly, otherwise this will not work, of course. Now, if your text to be sorted is located at B1:B13, then add the following in A1: =SORTVALUE(B1) Copy downwards, so A2 contains =SORTVALUE(B2) and so on. In C1 we type: =SMALL(A$1:A$13;ROW()) Copy down the same way as we did with the A column… In D1: =VLOOKUP(C1;A$1:B$13;2;0) Copy down… And there we are! Of course this can be done with different spreadsheets, but the A and B column needs to be
Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
Hi :) I think ani-privacy is an array of automated processes that is waaay out of anyone's control now. Just click on the Spam button and let your filters learn what to block and what to accept. People love to share intimate details of their life with everyone across the planet (Facebook, Twitter, and other social networking is enormously popular). We have actively encouraged companies to collect information on all of us. Just avoid thinking of it as spooky and let them drown under the weight of the data. Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2013, 11:56 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer Okay, this is really spooky, or I'm just growing paranoid. Two days ago, I downloaded Scrivener. Yesterday, I clicked on the hipiers link suggested below. Today, I receive an email from Amazon suggesting I buy the book, Writers Tune-up Manual. Virgil -Original Message- From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:08 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer On 07/10/2013 08:37 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote: Urmas wrote: The tool that you use does not matter. Everything thay you write will be decomposed and virtually remade in the DTP program, most likely InDesign. You may be right if the project goes to a professional publisher for final output. But, Pablo's original question stated he would be creating a self published, free ebook. Pablo is apparently looking for a solution that *avoids* the need to present his book to a professional publisher. Virgil The poster might want to look at this page. http://www.hipiers.com/publishing.html In the list, there is information about some publishers and services, with some references to e-book self publishing. IT might be worth a look. If the poster wants to make money on a self-published e-book, then there may be some good information there to guide through the process. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Vs office
Hi :) Thanks :) I think that reinforces the point that Sigrid originally made. I am often surprised how few people know about those 4 but then i didn't know about the Mac ones being almost identical. So, thanks for that :D Next time i am on my buddies Macbook i might be able to surprise him :) Regards from Tom :) From: Carl Paulsen carlpaul...@comcast.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 10 July 2013, 16:01 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Vs office On 7/10/13 9:25 AM, Tom wrote: Of course, as Sigrid pointed out, a lot of the keyboard short-cuts are the same and many of them work in almost every program anyway, for example Ctrl c to copy Ctrl x to cut Ctrl v to paste Ctrl z to undo all seem to work in just about every program on any system (except Mac or iThings) On a Mac it's the same, with the exception that instead of the Ctrl key, you use the Apple/Command key. Otherwise the shortcuts are virtually all the same. Carl -- Carl Paulsen Dover, NH 03820 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Liber office help with Excel library
Hi :) Macros need to be translated into a less vulnerable language. I think the version of Basic used in LibreOffice/OpenOffice is fairly similar and you might even get a few people helping you here if you can post the code to the list. They might even help smooth out some rough spots to make it more elegant and faster. I usually point people to the devs list for such help but we seem to have a lot of people on this list with some impressive skills in macro programming. I think it might be better to translate the code all the way into Python or something to help migrate it into being an Add-on/Extension/Plugin that could be added to LibreOffice as a whole rather than being embedded in individual documents. However it's probably easier just to get it into Basic. Note that MS macros have been the cause of malware problems so often that all macros often get stripped out of documents. Even when left in the user is given a warning message. Some of the malware scares over the decades have even been reported in the mainstream press. After updates we are assured that they have made it really safe this time, and then another scare happens. OpenOffice/LibreOffice macros have not caused such problems. So, is there any chance of posting the code into an email to this mailing list? Regards from Tom :) From: ANNADURAI V. b_v_annadu...@yahoo.co.in To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 10 July 2013, 10:21 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Liber office help with Excel library Dear sir, Thanking you for your product of LibreOffice. Previously i am using visual basic 6 and i used Microsoft Excel 11.0 object library in my machine. Now i am using LibreOffice instead of Microsoft Office. When running by VB6 applications, my system shows 'Missing Microsoft Excel 11.0 object library' Kindly help to solve the above issue. thanks in advance Regards V. Annadrai -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base DB Connections
Hi :) I am impressed that this list was able to help you migrate your obvious talent so quickly. Andrew's skills with macro programming are quite extreme so getting praise from him is impressive! It is also great to see you use those new skills to help others on this list and help disseminate that knowledge. So, don't sell yourself short! That was great! :) I kinda wish i had the knowledge to understand it! I only do htmlcss coding (ie not real programming) but even so i was able to see the code looked clear and nicely lined-up (despite the attempts of the various clashing emailing systems to try to mess it up). Everything else went over my head of course. There are other people on the list that also have extreme skills but Andrew's book seems to be the main one that people say is well worth the money https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_Documentation_and_Resources#Programmers and he is in the documentation team helping write the official guides which can be downloaded freely. Regards from Tom :) From: Marion Noel Lodge lodg...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2013, 5:39 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base DB Connections Thanks Andrew, Much of my macro's code was built on your examples and those of others. How did we ever manage before the Web? Noel -- Noel Lodge lodg...@gmail.com On 11 July 2013 10:22, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: Very Nice! On 07/10/2013 09:08 AM, Marion Noel Lodge wrote: Hi Mark, Here is the code - -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odthttp://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
Hi :) Errr, just my own personal opinion of course and on a bad hair day Try watching Monty Python and the Holy Grail, particularly the scene with the peasants working in the field and claiming to be an autonomous collective and then admitting their lord was out to lunch. Regards from Tom :) From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk To: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2013, 13:40 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer Hi :) I think that Private Window is based on a standards agreement that went through the US Senate and was heavily lobbied against by hefty US companies that were grumbling that they needed to invade everyone's privacy in order to be able to sell their products and make America great (they meant the US, but obviously they ignore the southern half of the continent and the 50% of the remaining land mass that is Canada). The result is that websites are sent an extra bit of information about you and that bit is your intention to be anonymous and that information, along with all the rest, can be logged by whichever site you visit. Some governments (ie not just in the US) agencies see the desire to be anonymous (ie a loner) as suspicious so once they have figured out how to do it then they might put you higher up any lists they might keep (if they can handle the volume of data) and, of course, companies can just ignore the request for privacy or even see it as a challenge. Individuals 'rights' versus corporate profits. Which tends to win these days? Outside of the USA such things are normal and common-place and have been going on for centuries. Occasionally one country or other produces a piece of paper that claims individuals have rights but those usually turn out to be business as usual fairly quickly or even plummet into an even worse situation for some time. Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2013, 12:58 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer hipiers.com does not send out spam emails, or it should not since the owner of the domain is against spam as much as we are. I do not know anything about Scrivener or its web site. Did you do a Google or Amazon search for writer info, a book search, or some other one that might make you think you are a writer of some type of book or manual? If you did, you may have triggered a advertisement from Amazon. When I look at my weather site, it displays advertisement based on my searches on Amazon, Google, and even Tigerdirect.com [computer and electronics web store]. Of course, you could always use the Private Window option in Mozilla Firefox to reduce your web footprint and not give, the web sites you visit, your info that is stored in your bowser, such as email address and other things you do not want given out. Every browser I know of has personal information stored in it. The trick is to make your browser not have this info available to the sites you visit. Firefox has the private window option. [File New Private Window]. On 07/11/2013 06:56 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote: Okay, this is really spooky, or I'm just growing paranoid. Two days ago, I downloaded Scrivener. Yesterday, I clicked on the hipiers link suggested below. Today, I receive an email from Amazon suggesting I buy the book, Writers Tune-up Manual. Virgil -Original Message- From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:08 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer On 07/10/2013 08:37 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote: Urmas wrote: The tool that you use does not matter. Everything thay you write will be decomposed and virtually remade in the DTP program, most likely InDesign. You may be right if the project goes to a professional publisher for final output. But, Pablo's original question stated he would be creating a self published, free ebook. Pablo is apparently looking for a solution that *avoids* the need to present his book to a professional publisher. Virgil The poster might want to look at this page. http://www.hipiers.com/publishing.html In the list, there is information about some publishers and services, with some references to e-book self publishing. IT might be worth a look. If the poster wants to make money on a self-published e-book, then there may be some good information there to guide through the process. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http
Re: [libreoffice-users] spelling correction
Hi :) Top left box of the spell-check dialogue-box shows the context of the spelling mistook. It lets me edit in there and then i click the Change button. I might be doing something rong there tho. Who needs the w in rong anyway? It's quite a quiet w and possibly over-rated. Regard from Tom :) From: Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com To: Fred James fredj...@fredjame.cnc.net Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org snip / Perhaps I am not doing this the way you are? But I copied/pasted This is a rong sntence with man mistokes into a new LO text document and ran spell check on it with the end result of This is a wrong sentence with man mistakes without encountering any difficulties. I don't see a way to manually add a w within the spell check dialog box ... perhaps I am just not looking in the right place? Regards Fred James Hi Walther, are you pressing f7 to make the corrections. On 3.6 I lose any bold formatting, but I do not encounter the other problems Fred has. Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] .odt to .rtf ?
Hi :) Sometimes you have to scroll backward up the list above the starting point of the drop-down. However, it is very unusual to hear of (or see) a .Doc getting malformed! .DocXs go weird sometimes because each version of MSO does it slightly differently. But even those shouldn't be showing any strange characters. Could it be a fonts issue? SuSE and other GnuLinuxes often have a wide range of slightly unusual fonts to avoid proprietary ones such as Arial, Times New Roman (and so on) that might have copyright issues. Might it be easier to send him/her the .Odt and a link to the LibreOffice downloads page? Regards from Tom :) From: Tim Lloyd tim.ll...@gmx.com To: Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 12 July 2013, 2:30 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] .odt to .rtf ? Hi Helen, what version of LO are you using? When I do as a save as in LO4.0.4.2 I can see .rtf 4th from bottom of the list of formats. Cheers On 07/12/2013 11:18 AM, Helen wrote: I agreed to edit (one time only) a local literary magazine coming out soon. I have saved each of the documents (plays, poetry, etc.) and edited in LibreOffice. Before sending the files to the publisher, I've been saving them to .doc. The publisher emails to say that all the documents have weird formatting and strange characters. He wants to know if I can send the files to him in .rft (rich text) format. I don't see that as an option in the save as menu. Is there a way I can do this -- convert the .odt files to .rtf? Using LibreOffice on Suse Linux. Thanks all, -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice website security
Hi :) Sure, a Windows virus could theoretically sit on a GnuLinux platform just as it could sit on any other platform. The difference is that it can't knock-out the anti-malware defences of the GnuLinux system. Also it can't run or replicate itself or infect other files on the system. So at best all it can do is sithope. Even fairly rubbishy security with infrequent updates is likely to wipe it out faster than it can grow because it can't grow. The link doesn't mention security but one of the fundamental and top priorities of Unix was to ensure that no single user could take down the whole system or affect any other user. Unix machines typically had hundreds of workers all logged in at the same time and often running processes that might take a long time to complete. Imagine if one user was running the equivalent of a defrag or disk check when another user just quickly rebooted the system. Too much potential to trash the system or lose data or hours worth of work. So, programs had to be able to run without elevating privileges and without affecting other users on the same system. Windows aimed at tiny, cheap machines with just 1 user per machine. The aim was to get a personal computer into every home and onto every desk. if a single user took down their own system it only affected the 1 person. Since then they have bolted on a few thing on top of that, such as allowing multiple users (but not at the same time), network and internet access and some attempt at dealing with some security issues as an (optional) after-thought. Wrt the thread, the reported issue did get forwarded to the websites team and they dealt with the situation really rather quickly. Thanks to the person reporting the issue the situation was resolved several hours faster than it might have been otherwise. Regards from Tom :) From: Luuk luu...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 12 July 2013, 10:56 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice website security On 17-06-2013 07:31, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It is unlikely the LibreOffice website is infected because it runs on unix-based platforms such as GnuLinux. I don't think any of the internet-facing servers run on Windows. Also i suspect that uploads get scanned and stuff on the servers gets scanned fairly regularly. However it might be wise if we let the websites team know there might be an issue. Sorry, but this is not true, so i want to add some things 1) A unix (or linux) system CAN spread (windows) virusses (or virae) (a virus is nothing more that a piece of (binary) code, which is not aware of any OS) 2) GNU (GNU's Not Unix) has nothing to do with that. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base DB Connections
Hi :) Thanks :) I think most of the trick with html is to use it for what it is good for and find other tools to do anything else you might need. People often seem to want a single tool to do everything but in the outside world they wouldn't expect to be able to use their soup-spoon to empty the bilges of a sinking boat (unless it was a very tiny boat) and neither of those tools would be great for stirring paint with (it makes the soup taste funny). Finding the right tool for the right job and getting the different tools to work together is most of the trick. Regards from Tom :) From: Marion Noel Lodge lodg...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 12 July 2013, 10:39 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base DB Connections Thanks for your encouragement Tom. What little experience I've had with HTML convinced me that it was not that simple - especially when trying to get a Web page to do similar things to what was possible using a database Form. Admittedly, that was a while ago - I believe HTML's capabilities are better now. My observation is that most people can specialise in only fairly small areas of IT, and therefore we need help from one another when we are attempting something that is out of our normal. I'm glad when I'm able to help a bit. Noel -- Noel Lodge lodg...@gmail.com On 11 July 2013 22:19, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I am impressed that this list was able to help you migrate your obvious talent so quickly. Andrew's skills with macro programming are quite extreme so getting praise from him is impressive! It is also great to see you use those new skills to help others on this list and help disseminate that knowledge. So, don't sell yourself short! That was great! :) I kinda wish i had the knowledge to understand it! I only do htmlcss coding (ie not real programming) but even so i was able to see the code looked clear and nicely lined-up (despite the attempts of the various clashing emailing systems to try to mess it up). Everything else went over my head of course. There are other people on the list that also have extreme skills but Andrew's book seems to be the main one that people say is well worth the money https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_Documentation_and_Resources#Programmers and he is in the documentation team helping write the official guides which can be downloaded freely. Regards from Tom :) -- *From:* Marion Noel Lodge lodg...@gmail.com *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Thursday, 11 July 2013, 5:39 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base DB Connections Thanks Andrew, Much of my macro's code was built on your examples and those of others. How did we ever manage before the Web? Noel -- Noel Lodge lodg...@gmail.com On 11 July 2013 10:22, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: Very Nice! On 07/10/2013 09:08 AM, Marion Noel Lodge wrote: Hi Mark, Here is the code - -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odt http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice website security
Hi :) Hmm, English language is sometimes inadequate and lacks things that other languages take for granted. Which you do you mean? Me personally or the LibreOffice mailing lists? The lists are nothing to do with me and i'm not even a member of TDF. In fact they often threaten to remove me from the lists for one reason or other. I'm expecting another such threat about a couple of posts i made yday but just haven't got that far back in my emails yet. The LibreOffice mailing lists just routinely strip ALL attachments but that is less about security and more about avoiding forcing people to download potentially hefty files that might be irrelevant to their reasons for being on the lists. You can use Nabble or some other Cloud storage system and then point to the file in your email http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/nabble-mailing-list-interface/ Nabble is probably the best when posting to this list as it makes it easy. I'm not sure what i would use away from the lists. Google-drive maybe? Ubuntu One? Dropbox? It really depends on what you are doing and all i do is office work and IT. I'm not an artist so DeviantArt or photo sharing sites wouldn't be relevant. I've seen people have problems with SkyDrive that left them completely unable to access their own data but that could easily have been user-error. I personally rarely use any antivirus on unix-based platforms. I just make my system as secure as reasonably possible and then do occasional scans. Occasionally i realise i've been dumb about something and then try to tighten that up. Other times if i'm learning something new to me i might keep it simple to start with and then change all the passwords and stuff when i feel comfortable. Mostly i just fully reinstall a new OS about every year or 2, although last time i did follow the normal upgrade process instead of doing a full install and was surprised how well it went. On my colleagues Windows systems i typically leave AVG or something and if the machine is up to it also run the MS Security Essentials. Sometimes i have to choose 1 or the other rather than having both :( Again, with them i boot into a LiveCd and do a proper full antivirus scan every couple of years. The first job of any decent malware should be to knock out any defences on the system it's on or even better is to find a way to neatly bypass them to avoid chance of detection. A LiveCd is difficult to write to so it's less likely to get compromised and so the scan is more likely to get a good result. Regards form Tom :) From: Gabriel Risterucci cleyf...@gmail.com To: Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 12 July 2013, 10:19 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice website security The list won't let the attachment through. What antivirus do you use ? -- Cley Faye http://cleyfaye.net 2013/7/12 Petre Matei Borocan petre.boro...@gmail.com Hi Tom, Please see attached a new print screen when attempting (second time) to download the Windows version of LibreOffice. (I'm, already using it on Linux Mint). The message clearly indicates the website has been infected with a malware. Maybe (hopefully) Linux users are not affected but those on Windows certainly are. Kind regards, Petre On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Petre Matei Borocan petre.boro...@gmail.com wrote: Dears, Please see attached the print screen that I got when trying to open LibreOffice website. Kind regards, Petre On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) It is unlikely the LibreOffice website is infected because it runs on unix-based platforms such as GnuLinux. I don't think any of the internet-facing servers run on Windows. Also i suspect that uploads get scanned and stuff on the servers gets scanned fairly regularly. However it might be wise if we let the websites team know there might be an issue. On Debian you might be able to install an antivirus program such as Clamtk (the Gnome/Cinnamon/Mate/Xfce front-end to clamav) or BitDefender or something. Personally i tend to use specialist LiveCds such as http://trinityhome.org/Home/index.php?content=TRINITY_RESCUE_KITCPR_FOR_YOUR_COMPUTERfront_id=12lang=enlocale=en http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=trinity or one of the other System Rescue type distros listed at http://distrowatch.com/ I quite like Trinity Rescue Kit because i have used it quite often but i haven't tried any of the others much. TRK can sort out quite a few Windows problems quite quickly or just do maintance. I would use it to safely declutter first but emptying the temp folders and caches before leaving it to do an over-night antivirus scan and i would get it to run just 1 of the av programs at a time rather than 1 after another, at least until i had some idea how
Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
Hi :) +1 Well said! :) The tools sometimes get in the way of doing the job. Yes, keep learning new tricks and better ways when idling along but just use whatever you are comfortable with when you need to get a job done. Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 12 July 2013, 12:30 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer That works just fine. For my tastes, however, it's not quite as smooth a process or polished a result as with LyX/LaTeX. But, as I've said before, LyX/LaTeX have their own sets of problems. Perhaps the best solution is the one a person will actually use to get the job done. One Scrivener reviewer commented that evaluating writing software is more fun than writing. I have found that true as I often spend more time trying to find the perfect writing tool than I do actually writing. Many years ago, a person was talking to Mike Royko, a Chicago journalist about writing a book. He asked Mike what the best software was for doing the task. Mike replied something to the effect of, Software? Look, son, get yourself a legal pad and a pen and just start writing. Virgil -Original Message- From: rost52 Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:00 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer As a proud papa... I would open the document in Writer, select all and set styles to Default. Then create the styles I wanted and reformat the whole document. On 12.07.2013 01:17, Wolfgang Keller wrote: For example, several years ago, my 14 year old son challenged himself to type a 50,000 word novel in November, which is National Novel Writers Month. He met his goal, and quickly dropped the project. As a proud papa, I wanted to put his document to paper. He wrote the original in WordPerfect, and it was a formatting mess, with stray tabs, carriage returns, and inconsistent formatting across chapter and section headings. I began the task of reformatting his 127 page novel using WordPerfect, the original program. It didn't take long for me to realize it would take days and days to wade through all of the formatting codes inserted by WP. I have to say that unlike MS Word and its clones OO and LO, Wordperfect *does* allow proper use of styles for structure markup. Among the dozens of different document processing applications I have used over the past 25 years, Wordperfect was one of the best for authoring strongly structured documents, at par with Framemaker. Unfortunately it fell into the hands of an incompentent company (at Corel). Obivously, nothing (besides Indesign with a *competent* typographer in front of it) beats the typographic output of LyX/LaTeX, so if you want to produce a PDF ready for print, there's no other choice. I even use it for letters. Until they get redesigned to implement a proper structure markup style concept and correct typographic features (all line- and page-breaking algorithms from LaTeX are open-source), LO and OO have their value mostly for generating documents from databases. Sincerely, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice website security
Hi :) Have you tried downloading the Windows one in Mint and then run a antivirus scan on it? maybe Clamav? I'm sure i downloaded LO recently on an Xp and on a Win 7 macine with no problems but i might have another look later. Could someone forwards the problem to the websites mailing list to see if something new has cropped up? Regards from Tom :) From: Petre Matei Borocan petre.boro...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 12 July 2013, 8:44 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice website security Hi Tom, Please see attached a new print screen when attempting (second time) to download the Windows version of LibreOffice. (I'm, already using it on Linux Mint). The message clearly indicates the website has been infected with a malware. Maybe (hopefully) Linux users are not affected but those on Windows certainly are. Kind regards, Petre On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Petre Matei Borocan petre.boro...@gmail.com wrote: Dears, Please see attached the print screen that I got when trying to open LibreOffice website. Kind regards, Petre On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi :) It is unlikely the LibreOffice website is infected because it runs on unix-based platforms such as GnuLinux. I don't think any of the internet-facing servers run on Windows. Also i suspect that uploads get scanned and stuff on the servers gets scanned fairly regularly. However it might be wise if we let the websites team know there might be an issue. On Debian you might be able to install an antivirus program such as Clamtk (the Gnome/Cinnamon/Mate/Xfce front-end to clamav) or BitDefender or something. Personally i tend to use specialist LiveCds such as http://trinityhome.org/Home/index.php?content=TRINITY_RESCUE_KITCPR_FOR_YOUR_COMPUTERfront_id=12lang=enlocale=en http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=trinity or one of the other System Rescue type distros listed at http://distrowatch.com/ I quite like Trinity Rescue Kit because i have used it quite often but i haven't tried any of the others much. TRK can sort out quite a few Windows problems quite quickly or just do maintance. I would use it to safely declutter first but emptying the temp folders and caches before leaving it to do an over-night antivirus scan and i would get it to run just 1 of the av programs at a time rather than 1 after another, at least until i had some idea how long the scans took on your machine. They are a bit thorough! Even 1 could easily take all night. Actually i would probably start by just installing clamtk inside Debian and scan from there. That way i could keep working while the scan was running. After that scan it might be easier to decide how to proceed. Obviously Debain wont be affected by the Windows viruses so you can carry on working on the documents that are on the Windows side of your machine. Just make sure you scan documents before sending them on to other Windows users. Good luck! Thanks for letting us know! Regards from Tom :) -- *From:* Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Sunday, 16 June 2013, 22:08 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice website security On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 14:55:51 -0400, Petre Borocan petre.boro...@gmail.com wrote: Dear LibreOffice Team, My antivirus program under Windows is blocking the access to your website because it is infected with a malware. I'm accessing your website using a linux operating system (debian based distro). Is it possible for you to check if your website has been infected? And thank you for the excellent office suite you have created. Kind regards from Romania, Petre Borocan Petre What antivirus are you using and does it report a specific virus? -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice website security
Hi :) Ok, i got the attachment off-list and he error is being thrown up by an Antivirus i haven't used before but is a fairly big name. It could be a false positive but it's better to let the websites team know about it even if it is. They might be able to contact Avira and let them know of the problem, if it is a false positive. If it's a real problem then they are the ones that could fix it fastest. So, a win-win. Regards from Tom :) From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk To: Petre Matei Borocan petre.boro...@gmail.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 12 July 2013, 12:51 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice website security Hi :) Have you tried downloading the Windows one in Mint and then run a antivirus scan on it? maybe Clamav? I'm sure i downloaded LO recently on an Xp and on a Win 7 macine with no problems but i might have another look later. Could someone forwards the problem to the websites mailing list to see if something new has cropped up? Regards from Tom :) From: Petre Matei Borocan petre.boro...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 12 July 2013, 8:44 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice website security Hi Tom, Please see attached a new print screen when attempting (second time) to download the Windows version of LibreOffice. (I'm, already using it on Linux Mint). The message clearly indicates the website has been infected with a malware. Maybe (hopefully) Linux users are not affected but those on Windows certainly are. Kind regards, Petre On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Petre Matei Borocan petre.boro...@gmail.com wrote: Dears, Please see attached the print screen that I got when trying to open LibreOffice website. Kind regards, Petre On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi :) It is unlikely the LibreOffice website is infected because it runs on unix-based platforms such as GnuLinux. I don't think any of the internet-facing servers run on Windows. Also i suspect that uploads get scanned and stuff on the servers gets scanned fairly regularly. However it might be wise if we let the websites team know there might be an issue. On Debian you might be able to install an antivirus program such as Clamtk (the Gnome/Cinnamon/Mate/Xfce front-end to clamav) or BitDefender or something. Personally i tend to use specialist LiveCds such as http://trinityhome.org/Home/index.php?content=TRINITY_RESCUE_KITCPR_FOR_YOUR_COMPUTERfront_id=12lang=enlocale=en http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=trinity or one of the other System Rescue type distros listed at http://distrowatch.com/ I quite like Trinity Rescue Kit because i have used it quite often but i haven't tried any of the others much. TRK can sort out quite a few Windows problems quite quickly or just do maintance. I would use it to safely declutter first but emptying the temp folders and caches before leaving it to do an over-night antivirus scan and i would get it to run just 1 of the av programs at a time rather than 1 after another, at least until i had some idea how long the scans took on your machine. They are a bit thorough! Even 1 could easily take all night. Actually i would probably start by just installing clamtk inside Debian and scan from there. That way i could keep working while the scan was running. After that scan it might be easier to decide how to proceed. Obviously Debain wont be affected by the Windows viruses so you can carry on working on the documents that are on the Windows side of your machine. Just make sure you scan documents before sending them on to other Windows users. Good luck! Thanks for letting us know! Regards from Tom :) -- *From:* Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Sunday, 16 June 2013, 22:08 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice website security On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 14:55:51 -0400, Petre Borocan petre.boro...@gmail.com wrote: Dear LibreOffice Team, My antivirus program under Windows is blocking the access to your website because it is infected with a malware. I'm accessing your website using a linux operating system (debian based distro). Is it possible for you to check if your website has been infected? And thank you for the excellent office suite you have created. Kind regards from Romania, Petre Borocan Petre What antivirus are you using and does it report a specific virus? -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org
Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
Hi :) Thanks for the tips! it's good to hear from someone that is getting published and able to show it Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Jack Wallen jlwal...@monkeypantz.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 12 July 2013, 3:18 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer On 07/11/2013 10:00 PM, rost52 wrote: As a proud papa... I would open the document in Writer, select all and set styles to Default. Then create the styles I wanted and reformat the whole document. On 12.07.2013 01:17, Wolfgang Keller wrote: I'll reiterate this again -- if you're self publishing (and you intend on doing so with Amazon, BN, Smashwords, KOBO, etc... you will have to convert whatever file you create into .mobi or .epub format. The best tool for that task is Calibre. And the best way to do that is to save a doc as an .html file (in LO), import it into Calibre, and then covert it. That's what I've done for every novel I've published. -- *Jack Wallen*|The Zombie King Get on the Dark Hayride at Get Jack'd Author of the I Zombie, Fringe Killers, The Nameless, and Shero series of books -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Need help to translate mdb file in odb
Hi :) Jean is not yet fully registered so please CC his address in all replies. Also i think my email address got compromised so i have changed my password but if i sent any emails in the last hour or so please just delete them. The last legit one i sent to this list was over 12hours ago. Regards from Tom :) From: Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 13 July 2013, 1:35 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Need help to translate mdb file in odb Jean The Concat() function would be Concat(Name, ' ', Firstname) the column names are not in brackets in standard SQL. This will work with MySQL/MariaDB - I am copying it out a book. For the second line [NAME] + + [FIRSTNAME] try [NAME] + ' ' + [FIRSTNAME] often ' are used to denote a string not . On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:33:31 -0400, Jean Milot jmi...@dotriver.eu wrote: Hello, I have a mdb file and i want to use it with LibreOffice so I need to translate all the macro, form ... for LibreOffice. But i have some difficult to do it. For example, how to concatenate 2 field in my SQL Request. I have tried : - [NAME] + [FIRSTNAME] , ok but i need an espace - [NAME] + + [FIRSTNAME] , doesn't work - LTRIM( coalesce( NAME, '' ) || ' ' || FIRSTNAME ) , doesn't work - NAME || ' ' || FIRSTNAME, doesn't work - CONCAT( [NAME], [FIRSTNAME] ), doesn't work How i can make it ??? Thanks for your help. If someone could help me to translate the file, it would be nice Sincerely, Jean Milot -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] .odt to .rtf ?
Hi :) Yes, deleting your User Profile does force LibreOffice to generate a new one next time you open LibreOffice. The new one has all the default settings that could be considered factory defaults so it's the fastest way to get your version of Libreoffice back to factory defaults. However, we usually recommend using rename instead of delete. This allows us to revert back to the old settings if the renaming didn't solve the current problem. if it did solve the problem then it might be possible to copypaste some settings back into the new profile and/or even pinpoint exactly where the problem arose (although many of us just don't have time for that sort of thing and just take the win) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile Note that your user profile contains your gallery, templates, extensions and other settings and configurations so deleting the user-profile might mean losing something you wanted to keep. Renaming keeps everything intact (just a little harder to reach). Regards from Tom :) From: Tim Lloyd tim.ll...@gmx.com To: Helen etter...@gmail.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 13 July 2013, 4:42 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] .odt to .rtf ? Helen, You can exercise a bit of flexibility via tools-customize. This lets you disable save as but it doesn't go as far as removing the options of what you can save as. One of the common solutions suggested when strange things are happening is to delete your profile. I gather a new profile is created the first time you crank up LO after the deletion. I am loathe to delete anything which I am not sure about however this may give you a start. Cheers On 07/13/2013 12:00 PM, Helen wrote: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Helen etter...@gmail.com wrote: thank you -- Two things here. 1). I did manage to get this into rtf by using the command odt2rtf Waves_edited.odt and I did this on a number of files. So, the urgency of the problem is solved, or at least is no longer urgent, but the theoretical issue is still interesting (to me). 2). Since this is a literary journal, albeit a small local one, and the original works are not mine, I don't fee free to upload any of the plays/poems/etc. Someone else mentioned that LO has the save as rtf. I don't understand why, but here's another puzzle: we have two computers running suse 12.3. This one that I'm using right now has that save as option. The other computer does not, and the other computer is the one with the files on it. Of course I could move the files from that computer to this one, but I didn't realize that this one had that option until someone here (Tim?) suggested it, so I went to the other compter (this one) and looked. Both machines are running suse 12.3 with LO Version 3.6:build-304 so I have no idea why one shows .rtf option and the other does not. Thanks for the responses. On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi :) Could you email me the doc and an odt version? I might be able to have a look on a few different machines tomorrow and maybe see what's up. Hmm, it might be better to use Nabble to upload it so everyone can see it as i might forget or run out of time, or just not wake up until the day after! I am curious tho. Regards from Tom :) -- *From:* Helen etter...@gmail.com *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Friday, 12 July 2013, 2:18 *Subject:* [libreoffice-users] .odt to .rtf ? I agreed to edit (one time only) a local literary magazine comeing out soon. I have saved each of the documents (plays, poetry, etc.) and edited in LibreOffice. Before sending the files to the publisher, I've been saving them to .doc. The publisher emails to say that all the documents have weird formatting and strange characters. He wants to know if I can send the files to him in .rft (rich text) format. I don't see that as an option in the save as menu. Is there a way I can do this -- convert the .odt files to .rtf? Using LibreOffice on Suse Linux. Thanks all, -- Helen Etters using Linux, suse12.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Helen Etters using Linux, suse12.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived
Re: [libreoffice-users] .odt to .rtf ?
Hi :) Nicely done! :) If the command odt2rtf filename.odt works then perhaps you can do all the odts in a folder by using odt2rtf *.odt Don't worry about feeling uncomfortable uploading files to public mailing lists, or even to individual strangers!! lol. There are many good reasons not to upload things even if it was to people you know well and trust completely. There is no reason you have to upload anything. Sometimes it's easier to spot something odd or find a work-around if you can play around with it yourself but it's kinda cheating. Regards from Tom :) From: Helen etter...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 13 July 2013, 3:00 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] .odt to .rtf ? On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Helen etter...@gmail.com wrote: thank you -- Two things here. 1). I did manage to get this into rtf by using the command odt2rtf Waves_edited.odt and I did this on a number of files. So, the urgency of the problem is solved, or at least is no longer urgent, but the theoretical issue is still interesting (to me). 2). Since this is a literary journal, albeit a small local one, and the original works are not mine, I don't fee free to upload any of the plays/poems/etc. Someone else mentioned that LO has the save as rtf. I don't understand why, but here's another puzzle: we have two computers running suse 12.3. This one that I'm using right now has that save as option. The other computer does not, and the other computer is the one with the files on it. Of course I could move the files from that computer to this one, but I didn't realize that this one had that option until someone here (Tim?) suggested it, so I went to the other computer (this one) and looked. Both machines are running suse 12.3 with LO Version 3.6:build-304 so I have no idea why one shows .rtf option and the other does not. Thanks for the responses. On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi :) Could you email me the doc and an odt version? I might be able to have a look on a few different machines tomorrow and maybe see what's up. Hmm, it might be better to use Nabble to upload it so everyone can see it as i might forget or run out of time, or just not wake up until the day after! I am curious tho. Regards from Tom :) -- *From:* Helen etter...@gmail.com *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Friday, 12 July 2013, 2:18 *Subject:* [libreoffice-users] .odt to .rtf ? I agreed to edit (one time only) a local literary magazine comeing out soon. I have saved each of the documents (plays, poetry, etc.) and edited in LibreOffice. Before sending the files to the publisher, I've been saving them to .doc. The publisher emails to say that all the documents have weird formatting and strange characters. He wants to know if I can send the files to him in .rft (rich text) format. I don't see that as an option in the save as menu. Is there a way I can do this -- convert the .odt files to .rtf? Using LibreOffice on Suse Linux. Thanks all, -- Helen Etters using Linux, suse12.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Helen Etters using Linux, suse12.3 -- Helen Etters using Linux, suse12.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] .odt to .rtf ?
Hi :) It also depends on how you installed LibreOffice. If you got the one from your distro's repos then it might have been tweaked. One of the machines might have the SuSE'ised version. The other machine might have had LibreOffice downloaded from the LO website without any of the SuSEs tweaks. Regards from Tom :) From: Tim Lloyd tim.ll...@gmx.com To: Helen etter...@gmail.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 13 July 2013, 4:42 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] .odt to .rtf ? Helen, You can exercise a bit of flexibility via tools-customize. This lets you disable save as but it doesn't go as far as removing the options of what you can save as. One of the common solutions suggested when strange things are happening is to delete your profile. I gather a new profile is created the first time you crank up LO after the deletion. I am loathe to delete anything which I am not sure about however this may give you a start. Cheers On 07/13/2013 12:00 PM, Helen wrote: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Helen etter...@gmail.com wrote: thank you -- Two things here. 1). I did manage to get this into rtf by using the command odt2rtf Waves_edited.odt and I did this on a number of files. So, the urgency of the problem is solved, or at least is no longer urgent, but the theoretical issue is still interesting (to me). 2). Since this is a literary journal, albeit a small local one, and the original works are not mine, I don't fee free to upload any of the plays/poems/etc. Someone else mentioned that LO has the save as rtf. I don't understand why, but here's another puzzle: we have two computers running suse 12.3. This one that I'm using right now has that save as option. The other computer does not, and the other computer is the one with the files on it. Of course I could move the files from that computer to this one, but I didn't realize that this one had that option until someone here (Tim?) suggested it, so I went to the other compter (this one) and looked. Both machines are running suse 12.3 with LO Version 3.6:build-304 so I have no idea why one shows .rtf option and the other does not. Thanks for the responses. On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi :) Could you email me the doc and an odt version? I might be able to have a look on a few different machines tomorrow and maybe see what's up. Hmm, it might be better to use Nabble to upload it so everyone can see it as i might forget or run out of time, or just not wake up until the day after! I am curious tho. Regards from Tom :) -- *From:* Helen etter...@gmail.com *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Friday, 12 July 2013, 2:18 *Subject:* [libreoffice-users] .odt to .rtf ? I agreed to edit (one time only) a local literary magazine comeing out soon. I have saved each of the documents (plays, poetry, etc.) and edited in LibreOffice. Before sending the files to the publisher, I've been saving them to .doc. The publisher emails to say that all the documents have weird formatting and strange characters. He wants to know if I can send the files to him in .rft (rich text) format. I don't see that as an option in the save as menu. Is there a way I can do this -- convert the .odt files to .rtf? Using LibreOffice on Suse Linux. Thanks all, -- Helen Etters using Linux, suse12.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Helen Etters using Linux, suse12.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Visible currency rounding
Hi :) Is AVKORTA = Truncate, ie just chopping the last digits off? What does HELTAL do? Is it some sort of Average or a division such as x/3 or x/2? Usually computer calculations work well if you avoid doing any rounding-off until the final figure. Even then avoid rounding off. Just use formatting to limit the number of figures displayed. The problem with that is if you are doing VAT Returns or something else where you just truncate the number rather than rounding properly. In proper rounding the number is rounded to the nearest figure. So ,005 or ,006 or above goes up to ,01. While ,006 is obviously closer to ,01 than it is to ,00 it is not so obvious with ,005. With ,006 we see that ,01 - ,006 = ,004 but with ,005 ,01 - ,005 =,005 I think it's an example of a potential fence-post error ,000 ,001 ,002 ,003 ,004 all round down to ,00 but ,005 ,006 ,007 ,008 ,009 should all round up to ,01 So, i suspect that in some of those calculations. For example; AVKORTA((HELTAL(K50+K51)-(K50+K51);3) = ,0066 which is getting truncated to ,00 instead of the more correct rounding to ,01 In 1/3 calculations it is wrong. When the result happens to be , or ,0033 the truncated answer is the right answer. However that rounding might sometimes be corrected by a problem in the next equation if AVKORTA(HELTAL((K50+K51)+1)-(K50+K51);2) = ,005 then that too is getting truncated to ,00 instead of being properly rounded to ,01 So this 2nd equation might be mitigating against the problem of the 1st equation. Two wrongs do sometimes make a right = quite the contrary of the 'wisdom' of the common phrase. Unfortunately i don't really know what those equations are doing because they are in Swedish (i think). So i don't really know what AVKORTA, HELTAL or OM are doing. However, a ,01 inaccuracy appearing intermittently could be explained by my above assumptions. If i am right then maybe this equation might be better? =OM(HELTAL(K50+K51)-(K50+K51)-0,5;AVKORTA((HELTAL(K50+K51)-(K50+K51);3);(HELTAL((K50+K51)+1)-(K50+K51);2))) ie, just move the truncate command outside of the calculation? Regards from Tom :) From: Marino / WellnessWebshop.se mar...@wellnesswebshop.se To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 14 July 2013, 8:11 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Visible currency rounding Hi! I want to have visible currency rounding on an invoice template that I have made i Libre Office. I have this formula in the cell for currency rounding: =OM(HELTAL(K50+K51)-(K50+K51)-0,5;AVKORTA(HELTAL(K50+K51)-(K50+K51);3);AVKORTA(HELTAL((K50+K51)+1)-(K50+K51);2)) But something is wrong, sometimes there is a diff of 0,01 in the sum. Perhaps there is a better formula for this? My invoice looks like this, on the bottom rows: - Sum for all products on invoice - Tax - Currency rounding - Sum to pay Best regards, Marino -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Macros in templates
Hi :) Any chance of adding a comment to the bug-report so that the devs know it still exists? Regards from Tom :) From: Mindaugas minda...@freemail.lt To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 14 July 2013, 18:50 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Macros in templates It's a bug (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60883). It's a pity but it still exists in 4.1 RC2. Best regards Mindaugas -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Macros-in-templates-tp4065366p4065403.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Visible currency rounding
Hi :) I think the equation is unnecessarily over-complicated? Surely it should just be something like K50 = Sum of the price of all products ? K51 = Round (Tax) ? Total to pay = K50 + K51 or maybe do an extra round just to make completely sure Total to pay = Round (K50 + K51) So, in Swedish K51 = HELTAL (Tax) ? Total to pay = HELTAL (K50 + K51) The trickiest bit should be the Tax calculation which is surely just Tax = K50 x Vat% Assuming none of the products is exempt from Vat or rated at a different Vat%! In England i think we have to truncate instead of Round. So K51 = AVKORTA ( K50 x Vat% ) but even if you do have to do that in Sweden the final figure should still be rounded Total to pay = Round (K50 + K51) Regards from Tom :) From: Marino / WellnessWebshop.se mar...@wellnesswebshop.se To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 14 July 2013, 8:11 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Visible currency rounding Hi! I want to have visible currency rounding on an invoice template that I have made i Libre Office. I have this formula in the cell for currency rounding: =OM(HELTAL(K50+K51)-(K50+K51)-0,5;AVKORTA(HELTAL(K50+K51)-(K50+K51);3);AVKORTA(HELTAL((K50+K51)+1)-(K50+K51);2)) But something is wrong, sometimes there is a diff of 0,01 in the sum. Perhaps there is a better formula for this? My invoice looks like this, on the bottom rows: - Sum for all products on invoice - Tax - Currency rounding - Sum to pay Best regards, Marino -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
Hi :) My guess is that he meant H Sql Db SQL = the standard language used by most database programs. Most add a little bit (few extra commands and stuff) to the basic language to help ensure that people can't easily switch to another program even though they all ostensibly use Sql. Db = Database H is the only bit that distinguishes exactly which program is being talked about. Note that other programs also use Sql or Db in their name. For example MySql/MariaDb, Postgresql. Only Access doesn't have any of that in it's name. Of course MS make many claims that Access does use Sql but it's such a heavily tweaked version of Sql that it's almost unrecognisable. If you learn Access then you need to forgetre-learn if you want to switch to anything else. The others tend to just have a few differences so it's not so tough to move between them. At least, so i have heard. Regards from Tom :) From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com To: Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com Cc: Mail List LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 15 July 2013, 16:38 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax And just what is HSLQLDB ;-) oh, memorizing acronyms seems to me a mighty complicated way to organize one's thoughts ... wouldn't it be simpler - easier - to just state the object(s) rather than leaving the listener trying to interpret what's being meant by what's being said ;-) see - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acronym AND - did you happen to notice in that URL, this phenomenon only started in 1943 ;-) before then communication was simply speaking to be understood ;-) BTW - many of these acronyms are duplicated - which causes even more confusion to the listener ;-) On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com wrote: On 07/13/2013 05:36 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: HSLQLDB is a bit picky about the syntax Does anyone know where I can find a good reference on HSLQLDB syntax? -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice website security
Hi :) I think it is a legitmate concern especially if you only have one machine to look after and therefore can't afford to do any experimentation with using different antivirus programs. I was hoping that the chap would download the Windows version on a GnuLinux box and then run an antivirus scan using something other than Avira. He did kindly re-download but then scanned with Avira again. I've finally got around to sitting at an Xp machine and downloaded LibreOffice 4.04. The Xp machine here is running Microsoft Security Essentials and Avg. Neither complained about the LO downloads. In Firefox it did give me the bar at the top, saying Firefox prevented this page from automatically redirecting to another page. The download didn't start straight away so i clicked on the link, inside the page, that said If your download does not start automatically, please click here. Then i tried the page again and this time when the bar appeared in clicked on the Allow button to allow the page to automatically redirect to another page. This way around the download also started. I guess i should really download Avira and try the whole thing again to see if Avira complains on that Xp machine. If you don't trust your antivirus then why use it? You really have to take notice if it grumbles about something otherwise what is the point in having it? All antivirus programs have problems with false-positives but when the program grumbles you have to consider that it really might have found something. I typically try to run 2 antivirus programs on Windows but i would be stuck if one grumbled and the other didn't. Which one would i trust? Of course having any active program running all the time in the background is going to impact on performance and having 2 (that also might conflict with each other) is going to hurt even more. [shrugs] But then if people cared about the speed of their machine they wouldn't be using Windows in the first place. Regards from Tom :) From: V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 13 July 2013, 18:40 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice website security Petre, As has been pointed out to you several times since last month. This is not a problem of the LibreOffice download web servers. http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Security-Issue-td4061840.html It is likely a FALSE Positive reported by your AVIRA anti-virus packages heuristic detection routines. http://www.avira.com/en/support-threats-description/tid/4142/tlang/en Your system is probably fine, please stop spreading FUD and it would be most productive if you were to properly submit a report to AVIRA so they can verify a the TDF site is clean and correct their detection routines--especially necessary with heuristic methods. Also, as AVIRA publishes frequent updated definitions and detection routines, having raised the specter of a Malware issue it is only good etiquette to test issue is resolved and to report its resolution back to this forum. Everyone else, please let's abandon this thread pending substantive reporting back from Petre regards what AVIRA finds--and move attention to more productive discussions actually related to LibreOffice. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-website-security-tp4061786p4065309.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: QA Triage Contest
Hi :) Errr, that graph is rather confusing me. It's good when it dips lower, right? Although could that be bad in some way? Does it mean less bugs being reported? If less bugs ARE being reported then is that because of less bugs or less people using LO or less confidence in the bug-reporting system? (Obviously it's not because of less people because we know that LO usage is sky-rocketing) Any chance of seeing a graph of bugs that ARE confirmed? ie ones that are getting through the triage filtering process. Sorry, of course it is excellent to see the graph because it combines neatly with other graphs and pie-charts that show the issues that troubled me in the first paragraph. We can't have everything all at once. Regards from Tom :) From: Nino Novak nn.l...@kflog.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: libreoffice...@lists.freedesktop.org Sent: Monday, 15 July 2013, 17:12 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: QA Triage Contest Am 15.07.2013 13:40, schrieb Bjoern Michaelsen: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 06:36:29PM +0200, Nino Novak wrote: can we see the effect graphically? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/reports.cgi?product=LibreOfficedatasets=UNCONFIRMED Yep, nice - thanks :) Though, a significant decline seems to have started in April already. Keep on! Nino -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Errores de certificado en la web
Hi :) So, from Spanish into English (using Quick Translate because it seems to make some amusing gaffs but is mostly fairly good) Regards, I write first to congratulate and thank you all for continuing to develop this noble project. I would report that the official website of LibreOffice is appearing with me certificate errors, using IE browser version 9.0.8112.16421. This may be preventing more people access to this program. yque appreciate the attention given to correct this. Have a happy day, Ok, i have just tried with Internet Explorer 8 on Xp and had no trouble with certificates. It did give me a top-bar similar to the one Firefox gave me earlier. IE's said To help protect your security, Internet Explorer blocked this site from downloading files to your computer. Click here for options. The 1st time i clicked on that top-bar and then the download started. The 2nd time i clicked on the link inside the page, If your download does not start automatically, please click here.. Again the download started. Both times it showed me the download was coming from mirrors.coreix.net Regards from Tom :) From: Jairo de Jesús López Ayola jairodejesuslo...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 15 July 2013, 17:53 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Errores de certificado en la web Cordial saludo, Les escribo primero para felicitarlos y darle las gracias por seguir desarrollando este noble proyecto. Me permito reportarles que la página web oficial de LibreOffice me está apareciendo con errores de certificado, usando el navegador IE versión 9.0.8112.16421. Esto puede estar impidiendo que mas gente acceda a este programa. Agradezco la atención prestada yque puedan corregir esta situación. Que tengan un feliz día, -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] saving as docx turned very paragraph into a page break
Hi :) Try Doc instead of DocX. File - Save As ... - File Types - Microsoft Word 97/2000/XP/2003 Many companies are unaware of what format they receive as long as it opens. MS Office 2013 and Office 365 now open Odt, the right Odt. MS Office 2007 and 2010 opened the ancient version of Odt but 2013 and 365 open the one that everyone else is using. So Odt kinda works even on those. So, it's rapidly getting better for Odt but we are still probably not quite fully there yet. Quite a lot of companies are still on MS Office 2003 and just about to leap-frog onto 2010 or 2013. Still the best format right now for sharing is probably still the old Doc. For storing documents i think Odt is probably better now. Regards from Tom :) From: zoidicus zoidi...@comcast.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 15 July 2013, 18:50 Subject: [libreoffice-users] saving as docx turned very paragraph into a page break A 3 page resume turned into 28 pages when saving as DOCX, because almost every paragraph got turned into a page break. I've seen some posts concerning hard page breaks that can't be fully deleted (they show up if you save/load a docx format), but in my case I had only 3-4 page breaks to start with. How did I end up with 28? I really want to save as DOCX for portability reasons (many companies won't accept ODT or PDF). Suggestions? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/saving-as-docx-turned-very-paragraph-into-a-page-break-tp4065556.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: QA Triage Contest
Hi :) WoooH!!! That's kinda what i felt when i read about the decline starting in April. It would be really nice to see this graph again in a few weeks when it's easier to see the impact of the QA competition. I was trying to be very dry and play devil's advocate in my previous email but what i really wanted to say was WHhoo!!! It feels great to know that there are more people out there that know how to do QA and are able to work through outstanding bug-reports to get them confirmed and get them onto the next stage. Good work everyone in QA and everyone that joined them recently or 'just' took part in the competition. Very much appreciated Regards from Tom :) From: Nino Novak nn.l...@kflog.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: libreoffice...@lists.freedesktop.org Sent: Monday, 15 July 2013, 17:12 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: QA Triage Contest Am 15.07.2013 13:40, schrieb Bjoern Michaelsen: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 06:36:29PM +0200, Nino Novak wrote: can we see the effect graphically? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/reports.cgi?product=LibreOfficedatasets=UNCONFIRMED Yep, nice - thanks :) Though, a significant decline seems to have started in April already. Keep on! Nino -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Visible currency rounding
Hi :) Ahhh, that makes sense. HMRC are the Vat collectors for the Uk but the Swedish one is likely to have similar rules. Regards from Tom :) From: Tinkerer j_taylo...@btinternet.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 15 July 2013, 19:38 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Visible currency rounding Tom Let me put it another way. Take the following sales: 50 items @ 1.37 VAT @20% = 68.50 VAT = 13.70 If the same items are sold separately, the VAT would be different. 1 item @ 1.37 VAT @ 20% = 0.274 for the VAT This would be rounded to 27p and 50 x 0.27 = 13.50 Rounding has caused a difference of 20p When paying tax, you are required to pay what you have collected. If you calculate as you suggest you may hand over more tax than you have collected. What I think he is looking for is a simple way of calculating the VAT due on his total with each individual item rounded down and that cannot be done. Each item has to be calculated, rounded down and then a total obtained for the rounded figures. HMRC take the view that VAT is payable on the total value of cash sales plus the VAT calculated on Invoiced sales. In my examples the VAT due would be 27.20 assuming that the 100 items sold would consist of 50 invoiced and 50 cash sales. Tink. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Visible-currency-rounding-tp4065342p4065571.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Errores de certificado en la web
Hi :) Thanks for reporting it! :) I don't think i have IE 9 on any machine so i can't test it myself. Also testing on just 1 or 2 machines does not mean it always happens that way on all machines. It really takes a larger sample. People on this list sometimes have a quick go on their own system(s) and report back so that we can make a better bug-report or a better report to the websites team. Note that IE is made by a 3rd party competitor that has good reason to want to see LibreOffice (and all other OpenSource products) fail. The more they can do to discredit LibreOffice the more likely they are to sell more of their own product and make more money. So, if IE doesn't behave we might not be able to do anything about it. You might notice that people in here recommend a variety of other web-browsers. Regards from Tom :) From: Jairo de Jesús López Ayola jairodejesuslo...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 15 July 2013, 19:27 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Errores de certificado en la web Thank you for your quick answer, y really appreciate it, So, IE8 is working fine and it starts an automatic download (i'm not sure if it has to behave like that). And What about IE9 ? It is not really a big problem to me, i can just allow the connection, but ¿what about all the other potential new user of the program? should them trust you blindly and enter a site flagged as suspicious? I'm just reporting, and i would be grateful if you fix it, but in the end is your call to fix it or not, i'll undestand it if you people can't right now. I'm truly sorry for my lousy english xD Have a nice day! 2013/7/15 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) So, from Spanish into English (using Quick Translate because it seems to make some amusing gaffs but is mostly fairly good) Regards, I write first to congratulate and thank you all for continuing to develop this noble project. I would report that the official website of LibreOffice is appearing with me certificate errors, using IE browser version 9.0.8112.16421. This may be preventing more people access to this program. yque appreciate the attention given to correct this. Have a happy day, Ok, i have just tried with Internet Explorer 8 on Xp and had no trouble with certificates. It did give me a top-bar similar to the one Firefox gave me earlier. IE's said To help protect your security, Internet Explorer blocked this site from downloading files to your computer. Click here for options. The 1st time i clicked on that top-bar and then the download started. The 2nd time i clicked on the link inside the page, If your download does not start automatically, please click here.. Again the download started. Both times it showed me the download was coming from mirrors.coreix.net Regards from Tom :) -- *From:* Jairo de Jesús López Ayola jairodejesuslo...@gmail.com *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Monday, 15 July 2013, 17:53 *Subject:* [libreoffice-users] Errores de certificado en la web Cordial saludo, Les escribo primero para felicitarlos y darle las gracias por seguir desarrollando este noble proyecto. Me permito reportarles que la página web oficial de LibreOffice me está apareciendo con errores de certificado, usando el navegador IE versión 9.0.8112.16421. Esto puede estar impidiendo que mas gente acceda a este programa. Agradezco la atención prestada yque puedan corregir esta situación. Que tengan un feliz día, -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Help for Calc Macros
i :) Well, from this part From here: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/ I find this link: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ That link recommends that you send an email here: users+subscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users+subscr...@global.libreoffice.org You then get an email to confirm and you need to reply to that. Unfortunately that confirmation often goes into peoples junk or spam folders and needs to be hunted down and treated nicely. Regards from Tom :) From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org To: Harold Ek hal...@bellsouth.net; 'users@global.libreoffice.org' users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013, 5:54 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Help for Calc Macros Lots of questions... On 07/15/2013 10:42 PM, Harold Ek wrote: Andrew, Thank you very much for all the information that you provided! I have scanned thru most of the references you provided, but certainly have much more studying to do. Perhaps the answers are in the info but I have a couple of very basic questions. 1. Is the info describing the details to use a macro in AndrewMacro.odt directly applicable to LO macros (OO vs LO)? Should be so. In the OOME book, I embedded links to try many of the macros directly so you can tell that they work. Certainly there have been some changes, but, for the most part, things should function. At first, there was only OOo (OpenOffice.org). LO split from OOo and OOo eventually became AOO (Apache OpenOffice). So, they are all very much related. No idea how closely things will be say 10 years from now, but, major changes in the internal APIs that cause working things to no longer function are not commonly intentional (in other words, they are usually bugs if it happens). 2. What exactly must I do to subscribe to the 'User's mailing list'. Is this like a forum where I should submit my question to the list and then review it frequently to uncover any responses? From here: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/ I find this link: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ That link recommends that you send an email here: users+subscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users+subscr...@global.libreoffice.org Note that then you will receive all the emails for the list. Every email for the list provides instructions as to how unsubscribe if you receive too many email messages * * * * ***(**HAROLD* *)*** On 7/15/2013 5:34 PM, - Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: Mr. Ek, I recommend that you subscribe to the user's mailing list and ask there; Jean forwarded your request to that list already. I am responding to the list and using CC for you in case you are not already subscribed. There are numerous materials available related to macro programming, including the help pages. If you are not versed in LO macro programming, examples may be useful to start, and there is a macro recorder. A link to AndrewMacro.odt (below) includes numerous examples, as does OOME (also available from my web site). Ignoring my web site, check here https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications Getting Started With Macros is very similar to chapter 1 in OOME (that was the starting point for the chapter). https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/0/0c/GS4013-GettingStartedWithMacros.odt Calc Macros https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/d/d7/CG4012-CalcMacros.odt Calc as a Simple Database (has lots of macro stuff I think) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/4/4a/CG4013-CalcAsASimpleDatabase.odt Enough to get you started I hope? On 07/14/2013 11:04 PM, Jean Weber wrote: Forwarding to the users support list. -- Forwarded message -- From: Harold Ek hal...@bellsouth.net Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 12:43 PM Subject: Help for Calc Macros To: jeanwe...@gmail.com I am a newbie in LibreOffice and recently I am trying to convert an Excel Sheet that includes macros. While searching thru the various help paths I came across your name. My topic may well not be your main area, but I wonder if you could either forward this letter or tell me who I might contact. I guess I would state my need as Tips to convert macros from Excel to Calc. Thanks for any help! -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Visible currency rounding
Hi :) Is it the AVKORTA that chops off the end of the decimals? English is really a few different languages added together so to be posh we use truncate for this sort of thing. It means the same as chop off but Maths geniuses(? genii?) seem to prefer the posher word. Regards from Tom :) From: Marino / WellnessWebshop.se mar...@wellnesswebshop.se To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; Tinkerer j_taylo...@btinternet.com; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013, 9:12 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Visible currency rounding HI! You are right. I think the rules is similar in Sweden. I think this tradition to have the rounded sum on the invoice is to make it easier during accounting. But this is not the motivation to make this to complicated. Many invoice in Sweden today has no visible currency rounding. So, I think I will change this to just delete all decimals of all sums in the bottom of the invoice. Thanks for all help! Regards, Marino -Ursprungligt meddelande- From: Tom Davies Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 2:21 AM To: Tinkerer ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Visible currency rounding Hi :) Ahhh, that makes sense. HMRC are the Vat collectors for the Uk but the Swedish one is likely to have similar rules. Regards from Tom :) From: Tinkerer j_taylo...@btinternet.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 15 July 2013, 19:38 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Visible currency rounding Tom Let me put it another way. Take the following sales: 50 items @ 1.37 VAT @20% = 68.50 VAT = 13.70 If the same items are sold separately, the VAT would be different. 1 item @ 1.37 VAT @ 20% = 0.274 for the VAT This would be rounded to 27p and 50 x 0.27 = 13.50 Rounding has caused a difference of 20p When paying tax, you are required to pay what you have collected. If you calculate as you suggest you may hand over more tax than you have collected. What I think he is looking for is a simple way of calculating the VAT due on his total with each individual item rounded down and that cannot be done. Each item has to be calculated, rounded down and then a total obtained for the rounded figures. HMRC take the view that VAT is payable on the total value of cash sales plus the VAT calculated on Invoiced sales. In my examples the VAT due would be 27.20 assuming that the 100 items sold would consist of 50 invoiced and 50 cash sales. Tink. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Visible-currency-rounding-tp4065342p4065571.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
Hi :) I think it's a heavily tweaked 1.8 so not everything will work the way it's meant to. Still, it would be great to have some idea of where LO's version is different from the upstream original. Hmm, or perhaps just waitsee what goes into LO to replace it. Regards from Tom :) From: Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013, 23:22 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax On 07/15/2013 11:44 AM, V Stuart Foote: STOP! Anne, glad you're back but seriously? HSQLDB is the short title and Web address for HyperSQL, the Java language based SQL relational database that StarOffice then Sun chose as the imbedded database for the project. Currently we include the 1.8 release, and efforts will either see that ripped out of LibreOffice to be replaced, or the version of HSQLDB will be upgraded to a current 2.3 release. Mark, et al., all the details you could ever want are on the project webpage at hsqldb.org, just mind the version differences. Stuart Hey Stuart, Thanks for the tip on the version. I was not aware of that small fact. I was starting to read the 2.3 documentation. -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO Freezing
Hi :) Ahhh, maybe solved by radically upping the figures in Tools - Options - Memory? It does happen with me too. Usually when i have hefty photos or am doing something i would expect to use up a lot of memory. Sometimes it surprises me at the time but hindsight is wonderful. Regards from Tom :) From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com To: Virgil cuyfa...@hotmail.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013, 23:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LO Freezing I would notice that whenever I'd forget to clean out the cache, and/or have too much in the RAM at one time. Now, I make a point of cleaning out the cache - CCleaner is a top-rated program ( free for the individual user :-) ) Hoping this solves your problem so you may once again enjoy this world of 'bits bytes', From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com Date: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 2:52 PM Subject: [libreoffice-users] LO Freezing To: users@global.libreoffice.org I’m just writing to see if anyone else has experienced my particular problem. I use LO 3.6.6.2 on an Win7 Sony laptop. When running LO, I will often experience either long delays in executing functions or outright freezing of the program. When this happens, I’ll get the never ending circle cursor along with the message, “not responding.” It sometimes happens when saving a file. When this happens, it will usually clear up after 30 seconds or so. Today, I was cleaning out some paragraph styles from my default template, and every so often, as I tried to delete a style, it would freeze up, again for about 30 seconds or so before continuing on. Finally, on one attempt to delete a style, it froze up completely and wouldn’t come back. This is the only program where I regularly face this problem. I have changed my user profile name, as well as completely restoring my hard drive to its original state, and reinstalling all my software (about two months ago). At first, this seemed to clear things up a bit, but today, I received several “not responding” freezes, again while attempting to delete paragraph styles I didn’t want. I obviously don’t expect anyone to be able to diagnose my specific problem with such sketchy information, but I was just wondering if anyone else experiences similar freezes. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing with HP 960C Deskjet
Hi :) 2 approaches to fix this, i've not thought about which should be number 1 1. To use the LO dialogues ... When the printer dialogue-box pops-up note there are 4 tabs at the top. On the 1st tab you should see a list of all the printers installed. Select the Hp 960 but instead of printing click on the Properties button. It's just under the list. The Properties pop-up also has a couple of tabs. The 1st should be Paper. Duplex is about the 4h drop-down. Long-edge for Portrait but Short-edge for landscape. My boss can never figure out that short-edge refers to the shortest edge of the paper, or perhaps he is just being kind. 2. To change to normal dialogues ... LibreOffice - Preferences - General - Print dialogues - UNtick the tick-box that says Use LO dialogues. Errr, are you sure that duplex is installed? When you install the driver it should ask you if you want duplex to be included. It might do it automatically. Regards from Tom :) From: Cliff Scott c...@intergate.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013, 22:29 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Printing with HP 960C Deskjet Fellow LibreOffice users - I am running LO on a Mac, OSx 10.7.5 and the printer is a HP 960C Deskjet. There are no native OSx drivers for the 960C so I've loaded drivers from Guten Print, Hpijs and also an HP 9800. All three work fine with every OSx app including OpenOffice 3.4.1. In LO the print dialog does not use the normal OSx dialog that every other app uses, but has its own. That dialog does not allow me to select Dual sided printing or Print Quality other than Draft, among other missing, but not so important settings. Is there any way around this? Why does LO do its own thing and not use the normal dialogs? I have to have OpenOffice installed just to print properly. Very wasteful of time and resources. LO has fixed a number of things that are not fixed in OO so I'd much rather use LO all the way, except for this one issue. Thanks for any help. Cliff -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing with HP 960C Deskjet
Hi :) The Hp website says that no driver is needed for OS X 10.5. That is the closest i could get to a 10.7 http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=usdlc=endocname=c01234224lc=en I had a look at a walk-through for the hplip driver and it didn't mention about duplexing so maybe i am just getting muddled with a windows installer for something else. Apols and regards from Tom :) From: Cliff Scott c...@intergate.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013, 22:29 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Printing with HP 960C Deskjet Fellow LibreOffice users - I am running LO on a Mac, OSx 10.7.5 and the printer is a HP 960C Deskjet. There are no native OSx drivers for the 960C so I've loaded drivers from Guten Print, Hpijs and also an HP 9800. All three work fine with every OSx app including OpenOffice 3.4.1. In LO the print dialog does not use the normal OSx dialog that every other app uses, but has its own. That dialog does not allow me to select Dual sided printing or Print Quality other than Draft, among other missing, but not so important settings. Is there any way around this? Why does LO do its own thing and not use the normal dialogs? I have to have OpenOffice installed just to print properly. Very wasteful of time and resources. LO has fixed a number of things that are not fixed in OO so I'd much rather use LO all the way, except for this one issue. Thanks for any help. Cliff -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
Hi :) Off-topic is relative. Luckily not one of my relatives! This thread has been all the way to ancient Rome. Sorry if my grammer is a bit off. She still hasn't recovered from lunch. Regards from Tom :) From: Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 0:13 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax Well actually, I was going to ask what might replace HSQLDB but I thought it might be a bit too far off topic. On 07/16/2013 07:04 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think it's a heavily tweaked 1.8 so not everything will work the way it's meant to. Still, it would be great to have some idea of where LO's version is different from the upstream original. Hmm, or perhaps just waitsee what goes into LO to replace it. Regards from Tom :) *From:* Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 16 July 2013, 23:22 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax On 07/15/2013 11:44 AM, V Stuart Foote: STOP! Anne, glad you're back but seriously? HSQLDB is the short title and Web address for HyperSQL, the Java language based SQL relational database that StarOffice then Sun chose as the imbedded database for the project. Currently we include the 1.8 release, and efforts will either see that ripped out of LibreOffice to be replaced, or the version of HSQLDB will be upgraded to a current 2.3 release. Mark, et al., all the details you could ever want are on the project webpage at hsqldb.org, just mind the version differences. Stuart Hey Stuart, Thanks for the tip on the version. I was not aware of that small fact. I was starting to read the 2.3 documentation. -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
Hi :) new and improved is hopefully a duplication rather than a contradiction! lol. Not always true, of course. English (US) does tend to use different prepositions under English (GB). Out advertising people also seems to just muddle them down to try to reinforce their message. Council estate kids and common usage also messes things into. Regards from Tom :) From: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 2:46 Subject: Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax At 21:06 16/07/2013 -0400, Mark LaPierre wrote: As long as we are going to entertain off topic, how about this. [One] common figure of speech in English is the use of Try and where the meaning is Try to. I.E. I'm going to try and drive my car backwards for three miles. When I see it, or hear it, I wonder, Are they going to try the car, or are they going to drive the car? Make up my mind! I have to say I also prefer try to to try and, but Henry Fowler says of the figure of speech given the classy Greek name hendiadys (or one-through-two): ... 'nice and warm', 'try and do better', 'grace and favour', instead of 'nicely warm', 'try to do better', 'gracious favour' are true examples. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendiadys . Advertisers use it when they claim their product is new and improved (which is a contradiction), meaning newly improved. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
Hi :) +1 to all that, especially the Once you are up to date, I'm sure they'd appreciate any help you can offer.. Plus, making yourself familiar with HsqlDb 1.8 is a good plan anyway. HsqlDb is java based but it's small and fast so as an external back-end it's good for most uses. My workplace is considering buying a specialist database that uses Firebird as a back-end so i kinda hope Base goes that way too. Unfortunately they have left the final purchase decision up to someone outside the organisation that is fairly clueless about compatibility and the alternative back-end is Access. Regards from Tom :) From: V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 0:55 Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax Mark, Hey why should you care that it is off topic, no one else seems to understand the concept ;-) So, regards movement toward a non-Java JRE dependent default SQL DB for integration with the Base component. Several Bugzilla items worth reviewing: considering and rejecting SQLite as replacement https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38811 find a replacement for HSQLDB v1.8 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51781 considering an update to HSQLDB v2.x https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44854 move default to FireBird not HSQLDB in Base -- this is the current development effort https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51780 Finally, here is the Wiki based project coordination for implementing FirebirdSQL https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Base/FirebirdSQL Once you are up to date, I'm sure they'd appreciate any help you can offer. Stuart From: Mark LaPierre [marklap...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax Well actually, I was going to ask what might replace HSQLDB but I thought it might be a bit too far off topic. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web
Hi :) I kinda agree but even though IE has recently become a minority share of the web-browser market it is still used by quite a lot of people. Usually those people are clueless about the alternatives and/or seem to think they are using a superior product because they haven't really tried anything else. There's a LOT of them and we don't want to cut them out of our potential market. Telling them they have to change web-browser just to use LO just gives them an extra reason not to bother trying LO. It just makes yet another artificial barrier and increases the FUD. Something that does seem to surprise people and encourage them to install LO is that they can have both LO and MSO on their system. A dismaying number of people wont dare try LO because they think they have to get rid of their MSO. Similarly with web-browsers of course but that is not our fight. I'm credited with having written the 2nd paragraph below but it really wasn't me 1. Most of the web developers i know are ladies 2. If i had thought of it i would have written directly to the Websites List to ask them if they could do it. probably the only reason it might not have been done already is that they are a small team and are still working on it. However, i doubt that IE 9 needs a different certificate from IE 8 or that certificates made for IE 8 are incompatible with IE 9. It's always possible, of course, especially if it could make things difficult for LO without affecting too many other people. Most of the people on tis list probably are already using Firefox, Chrome, the Mac one, Opera or some other non-MS web-browser. We need to catch more people that haven't tried the others yet and maybe be their gateway into OpenSource. Regards from Tom :) From: P NIKOLIC p.nikol...@btinternet.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 7:29 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:05:57 +0700 Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: Tom Davies: Note that IE is made by a 3rd party competitor that has good reason to want to see LibreOffice (and all other OpenSource products) fail. The more they can do to discredit LibreOffice the more likely they are to sell more of their own product and make more money. So, if IE doesn't behave we might not be able to do anything about it. ...Or LO webmasters could just stop being idiots and not offer a certificate for *.documentfoundation.org for libreoffice.org? Or you could just install FireFox and be done with the problems .. Pete . -- Linux 7-of-9 3.9.9-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Jul 3 22:45:16 CEST 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] question
Hi :) In Calc you can find a Σ sign below the menus, just beside the long white field where the formula is shown, immediately above the cells of the spreadsheet. Sometimes the area it selects by default is not quite perfect so you can just drag-select the area you prefer. You might find this guide helpful https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Calc_Guide The 4.0 branch is only half complete but the guide for the 3.4 branch is plenty good enough. At this level you probably wont notice many changes anyway. The changes in Calc tend to be quite advanced stuff, even such as smoothing of types of curves in charts. Errr, you had written to the wrong list. The documentation team 'just' focus on writing the guides. It's a small team with a ton of work that they get through amazingly fast. It's the Users List that answers people's questions. So, i have forwarded your question there and let the Docs Team know they don't have to worry about spending time on this. On the other hand if you could help proof-read some of the newer versions of the chapters, as they come out, that would be enormously helpful. One of the criticisms of Guides and Manuals generally is that they are written by people that are NOT new and so a lot of technical words or strange phrases creep in. Unfortunately, everyone who does join in with the work in the Docs Team quickly becomes fairly expert so we constantly need new people to join in. Regards from Tom :) From: televisores tecnologia televisores...@hotmail.com To: documentat...@global.libreoffice.org documentat...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 5:35 Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] question hi i just started using libre office today, looks perfect, BUT : i can not find the summatory sign on any of the menus, so if want to make a summatory of several cells i have to do it one by one ? i think i m wrong, but please let me know where to find the summatory sign on spreadsheet regards Alex Salazar Sent from Touch Ultra-Book -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
Hi :) http://www.lasa.org.uk/aims/choosing-the-right-package/ Just under the bullet-points it claims You can purchase AIMS Core which allows up to 15 concurrent users. This version of AIMS is available in either Access or SQL versions. So it's a bit unclear whether the Access version is using the normal jet-engine or Microsoft SQL Server as it's back-end. Either way i think there is a potential problem at being able to run their front-end, or use another front-end, on non-MS platforms such as Android tablets, Macs, iPads. I suspect the Firebird back-end is more likely to be faster and more compatible with more platforms. Regards from Tom :) From: Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 23:30 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax Access is no back end. As a front end it's fairly adaptable as long as the total file size does not exceed 2 Gb. That 2 Gb limit pretty much rules it out as a back end for anything but very light weight databases. On 07/17/2013 06:37 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 to all that, especially the Once you are up to date, I'm sure they'd appreciate any help you can offer.. Plus, making yourself familiar with HsqlDb 1.8 is a good plan anyway. HsqlDb is java based but it's small and fast so as an external back-end it's good for most uses. My workplace is considering buying a specialist database that uses Firebird as a back-end so i kinda hope Base goes that way too. Unfortunately they have left the final purchase decision up to someone outside the organisation that is fairly clueless about compatibility and the alternative back-end is Access. Regards from Tom :) From: V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 0:55 Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax Mark, Hey why should you care that it is off topic, no one else seems to understand the concept ;-) So, regards movement toward a non-Java JRE dependent default SQL DB for integration with the Base component. Several Bugzilla items worth reviewing: considering and rejecting SQLite as replacement https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38811 find a replacement for HSQLDB v1.8 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51781 considering an update to HSQLDB v2.x https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44854 move default to FireBird not HSQLDB in Base -- this is the current development effort https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51780 Finally, here is the Wiki based project coordination for implementing FirebirdSQL https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Base/FirebirdSQL Once you are up to date, I'm sure they'd appreciate any help you can offer. Stuart From: Mark LaPierre [marklap...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax Well actually, I was going to ask what might replace HSQLDB but I thought it might be a bit too far off topic. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: [MariaDB Announce] MariaDB 5.5.32 now available
Hi :) For those interested in trying to move away from Oracle's MySql this drop in replacement might be worth looking at as long as you are not using a Mac! Regard from Tom :) From: MariaDB Announce List annou...@mariadb.org To: annou...@mariadb.org Sent: Thursday, 18 July 2013, 17:29 Subject: [MariaDB Announce] MariaDB 5.5.32 now available The MariaDB project is pleased to announce the immediate availability of MariaDB 5.5.32. This is a bug-fix release. See the Release Notes and Changelog for details. - - Links - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - MariaDB 5.5.32 Stable (GA) - Release Notes: https://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-5532-release-notes - Changelog: https://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-5532-changelog - Downloads: https://downloads.mariadb.org/mariadb/5.5.32 Overview of MariaDB 5.5: https://kb.askmonty.org/en/what-is-mariadb-55 APT and YUM Repository Configuration Generator: - https://downloads.mariadb.org/mariadb/repositories/ - - User Feedback plugin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - MariaDB includes a User Feedback plugin. This plugin is disabled by default. If enabled, it submits basic, completely anonymous MariaDB usage information. This information is used by the developers to track trends in MariaDB usage to better guide development efforts. If you would like to help make MariaDB better, please add feedback=ON to your my.cnf (my.ini on Windows) file! See http://kb.askmonty.org/en/user-feedback-plugin for more information. - - Quality - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The project always strives for quality, but in reality, nothing is perfect. Please take time to report any issues you encounter at: - http://mariadb.org/jira - - Support MariaDB - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - If you would like to contribute to MariaDB, please see our contributing and donations pages. We also have merchandise available in a cafepress store. - https://kb.askmonty.org/en/contributing - https://mariadb.org/en/donate/ - http://www.cafepress.com/mariadb We hope you enjoy MariaDB! -- MariaDB: An Enhanced Drop-in Replacement for MySQL Website - http://mariadb.org Twitter - http://twitter.com/mariadb Google+ - http://google.com/+mariadb Facebook - http://fb.com/MariaDB.dbms Knowledgebase - http://kb.askmonty.org ___ announce mailing list annou...@mariadb.org https://lists.askmonty.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/announce To unsubscribe, send an email with unsubscribe as the Subject: to announce-requ...@mariadb.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing with HP 960C Deskjet
Hi :) Upgrading LO to 4.0.x sounds like a good plan, as does File - Export to Pdf and then print the Pdf through whatever you view Pdfs with. Errr i only had a go on 1 Macbook once and i wasn't able to fully explore it. it was quite a big deal for me as it's been about a decade since i last used a Mac. I have seen quite a few people on these mailing lists deal with Mac issues and documentation is pretty good at providing a conversion table to deal with a couple of issues. So i listen to other people and copypaste parts of their previous answers if it seems appropriate. These lists are great for learning tons of useful stuff or just increasing understanding general understanding. As Tim said Mac is kinda a brother or sister of GnuLinux so advice based on one might help with the other but there are some odd differences between the platforms. The main problem seemed to be that because the drivers were built-in to OS X 10.5 it's very difficult to get hold of a package that is just the driver or installer. However, i think the op has found 3 drivers that are almost right but just not quite there. Perhaps upgrading LO might help them. Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 5:03 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing with HP 960C Deskjet For now, as a big work around. . . Do you have luck printing a PDF file to the HP 960? If so, then just export to PDF and print that file. That will work till we get the direct printing from LO issue fixed. For the longest time, that was what I did to print a duplex document on the Epson printer. Do you have the ability to use the OSX 10.5 driver? Or the more generic 10.1.5 to 10.4.x driver? HP has those drivers on their web site for download. I am not a Mac person, but since it is sort of a Linux-like OS [do not tell me how it is not a Linux OS, since I am using a generic comparison] then there must be a way to install this older driver and use it. I know that for Linux and Windows, drivers for earlier version of the OS can work, most times, when there is no newer version for the newer OS. I have used 10.04 and 11.x drivers for my Ubuntu system when there has not been one made for my 12.04 version of the OS. Actually I have done that with several packages. So I am hoping that the 10.5.x driver would work on a 10.7 OSX, since there is none listed for 10.6 or 10.7. Also, LO 3.4.1 may not be the best version for your needs. I had a lot of trouble with dialogs and duplex printing till the 3.6.x line. I use 4.0.4.2 on a Linux system at this time. So it is possible for you to download and install the 3.6.6 version or the 4.0.4 version for OSX and see if some of your dialog issues are fixed. To get duplex working on all my duplexing printers [HP laser, Canon inkjet, and Epson inkjet] I had to check the use LO dialog option for the print dialogs. That was listed as an option for Linux but did not show up for the Windows version. So I would expect that the OSX version might have some different dialog options. Before I found that Linux only option, no one could figure out how to get my Epson printer to duplex when my HP laser would. Now I have a Canon inkjet and the check box option works with that duplexing printer as well. I know that Tom is a Linux person, but he has access to Mac systems, so he may know some OSX specific option, but I have used 3 duplexing printer and I know what works for me. On 07/16/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) 2 approaches to fix this, i've not thought about which should be number 1 1. To use the LO dialogues ... When the printer dialogue-box pops-up note there are 4 tabs at the top. On the 1st tab you should see a list of all the printers installed. Select the Hp 960 but instead of printing click on the Properties button. It's just under the list. The Properties pop-up also has a couple of tabs. The 1st should be Paper. Duplex is about the 4h drop-down. Long-edge for Portrait but Short-edge for landscape. My boss can never figure out that short-edge refers to the shortest edge of the paper, or perhaps he is just being kind. 2. To change to normal dialogues ... LibreOffice - Preferences - General - Print dialogues - UNtick the tick-box that says Use LO dialogues. Errr, are you sure that duplex is installed? When you install the driver it should ask you if you want duplex to be included. It might do it automatically. Regards from Tom :) From: Cliff Scott c...@intergate.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013, 22:29 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Printing with HP 960C Deskjet Fellow LibreOffice users - I am running LO on a Mac, OSx 10.7.5 and the printer is a HP 960C Deskjet. There are no native OSx drivers
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web
Hi :) I think all of us here are on roughly the same side. It's just a case of trying to work out what works when and what doesn't. I haven't had a huge amount of success in converting MS users to LO. People seem to prefer sticking with broken mangled systems that don't do what they want rather than risk change. The more broken the system the more they resist change. Hence IE6 users being scared to death of trying anything else Regards from Tom :) From: Paul paulste...@afrihost.co.za To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 12:30 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web Hi, Or you could just install FireFox and be done with the problems .. Well, as Tom says, I don't think it's usefull to just say Get a new browser. Also, if the certificate is actually wrong, then it should be corrected, there really is no good reason it should be wrong, and switching browsers to not have to see the error is not a real solution. That said... ...Or LO webmasters could just stop being idiots and not offer a certificate for *.documentfoundation.org for libreoffice.org? That's maybe ever so slightly harsh. I just checked in Firefox, and the certificate for https://www.libreoffice.org has a certificate with a CN for www.libreoffice.org, so I'm not sure what the problem is... unless of course they've already fixed it. Just sayin' Paul On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:05:07 +0100 (BST) Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I kinda agree but even though IE has recently become a minority share of the web-browser market it is still used by quite a lot of people. Usually those people are clueless about the alternatives and/or seem to think they are using a superior product because they haven't really tried anything else. There's a LOT of them and we don't want to cut them out of our potential market. Telling them they have to change web-browser just to use LO just gives them an extra reason not to bother trying LO. It just makes yet another artificial barrier and increases the FUD. Something that does seem to surprise people and encourage them to install LO is that they can have both LO and MSO on their system. A dismaying number of people wont dare try LO because they think they have to get rid of their MSO. Similarly with web-browsers of course but that is not our fight. I'm credited with having written the 2nd paragraph below but it really wasn't me 1. Most of the web developers i know are ladies 2. If i had thought of it i would have written directly to the Websites List to ask them if they could do it. probably the only reason it might not have been done already is that they are a small team and are still working on it. However, i doubt that IE 9 needs a different certificate from IE 8 or that certificates made for IE 8 are incompatible with IE 9. It's always possible, of course, especially if it could make things difficult for LO without affecting too many other people. Most of the people on tis list probably are already using Firefox, Chrome, the Mac one, Opera or some other non-MS web-browser. We need to catch more people that haven't tried the others yet and maybe be their gateway into OpenSource. Regards from Tom :) From: P NIKOLIC p.nikol...@btinternet.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 7:29 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:05:57 +0700 Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: Tom Davies: Note that IE is made by a 3rd party competitor that has good reason to want to see LibreOffice (and all other OpenSource products) fail. The more they can do to discredit LibreOffice the more likely they are to sell more of their own product and make more money. So, if IE doesn't behave we might not be able to do anything about it. ...Or LO webmasters could just stop being idiots and not offer a certificate for *.documentfoundation.org for libreoffice.org? Or you could just install FireFox and be done with the problems .. Pete . -- Linux 7-of-9 3.9.9-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Jul 3 22:45:16 CEST 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org
Re: [libreoffice-users] Kerning issue with LIbreOffice 4 and Helvetica font
Hi :) 4.1.0 is very early on in that branches life-cycle. I typically wait for the x.x.4 rather than the x.x.0. Can you post a bug-report about it and get back to 4.0.3 or something? I still have a lot of machines on around 3.5.4 but 3.6.x is better. I meant to upgrade all machines to 4.0.4 (or something) today but never quite got around to doing anything i'd planned for today! Regard from Tom :) From: pfrost pfr...@redhat.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 July 2013, 19:17 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Kerning issue with LIbreOffice 4 and Helvetica font In LibreOffice 4.1.0.1, if I open a document containing Helvetica font and export to PDF, the Helvetica font has horrible kerning--almost all spaces between words are removed, making the PDF very difficult to read. If I open the same document in LibreOffice 3.4.5, it exports to PDF just fine--spaces between words are easy to identify making the quote easy to read.Is this a known issue with LibreOffice 4? Is there a simple fix?I'm attaching a sample doc which contains Helvetica font and the resulting PDF.Best regards,Patrick Frost test.doc http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4066062/test.doc test.pdf http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4066062/test.pdf -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Kerning-issue-with-LIbreOffice-4-and-Helvetica-font-tp4066062.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Creating a good looking document with videos in it
Hi :) Are you using Impress to make the document? Impress might be the best tool for the job. Alternatively could you create the document, save as html and then edit the html coding? That sounds a bit messy. I tend to write html in a text-editor to avoid all the added extras other programs throw in but i haven't tried putting videos in. Can't imagine it's much different from adding a photo or logo though? Errr, i started with Notepad which was a bit of a pain but the normal text-editors in GnuLinux colour-code the coding which makes it easier. I think SciTE and Notepad++ (available in Windows) do colour-coding too. Of course the colours are calculated rather than being hidden codes in the document. Regards from Tom :) From: frank ernest do...@mail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 July 2013, 18:32 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Creating a good looking document with videos in it Hi, I wanted to create a document that containes videos as a help manual but libreoffice can't place them in html or pdf format as a resualt if I redistribute the doc the end user will open it up in libreoffice and all the tecnical terms will turn red (if spell check is enabled,) the vidios will be movable the text editable (by acciden or on purpose,) and the links you will have to ctrl click in order to follow, etc. I wanted a finished kind of look like an html page or a pdf page. How do I do this? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Cell references - apply formats too?
Hi :) I think we had a thread about this maybe 6months-1year ago? I think the up-shot was that it's not possible and maybe better to have a 2nd column to indicate colour. Regards from Tom :) From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 July 2013, 15:53 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Cell references - apply formats too? Is it possible to have a cell on one worksheet that references a cell on another worksheet to also reflect the FORMAT of the referenced cell? Ie, if the referenced cell has a red background, the cell referencing it should also have a red background? Thanks -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Português e mailing list
Hi :) Good answer, i think :) Has this helped? Orlando? Have you found the right place? Regards from Tom :) From: Daniel A. Rodriguez daniel.armando.rodrig...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 22:26 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Português e mailing list 2013/7/17 Orlando Figueiredo orlandofigueir...@pensatempos.net Hi, Does anyone know ir there is a discution group for libreoffice Portugal. O. Take a look at the wiki page for Local Mailing Lists https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists#Portugu.C3.AAs ___ Escuelas Libres :: Porque la educación es mucho mejor cuando es libre www.escuelaslibres.org.ar --- Para entrenar, cualquier programa sirve. Para educar, sólo Software Libre. (Federico Heinz) --- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Base PostgreSQL Transactions
Hi :) If you are looking for a good guide about Macros then Andrew Pitonyak's guide is supposedly the best https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_Documentation_and_Resources#Programmers Apparently it is well worth the money but you might want to have a quick look at the official guides for free first. Andrew wrote most of the chapters about Macros in those too as a first step into understanding Macros So, start with Chapter 9 of the Getting Started Guide https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#Getting_Started_with_LibreOffice Maybe have a look at Chapter 12 in the Calc Guide https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Calc_Guide because spreadsheets and databases share some common ground i suspect. Also this whole handbook might be helpful!! https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Base_Handbook Note that the entire Base Handbook has been updated for the 4.0.x branch of LibreOffice already even though individual chapters were not done separately. If you want the separate chapters you can always get the almost identical ones for the 3.5-3.6 branches. I'm not entirely sure any of this helps you but hopefully others will appear later to let you know if you really do need macros. Obviously Python is a more useful language once you have gotten to grips with it but Basic might be easier to learn Regards from Tom :) From: Don Parris parri...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 July 2013, 21:05 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Base PostgreSQL Transactions Hi all, I have a 4-table DB in PostgreSQL to which I connect using LibreOffice Base. I have a form with 2 subforms in place that allows me to: Select an existing entity (from the ENTITY table) Add a new financial transaction (to the TRANSREC table) Add new line items for each transaction (to the TRANSDETAILS table). I would like to take advantage of PostGRESQL's underlying transaction (start, rollback, commit, etc.) to ensure that a given transaction and its line items are entered as one single transaction. I just don't know how to implement that using Base as a front-end. Maybe I really need something like macros and BASIC or Python to make such a thing work? If anyone knows a good tutorial on this subject, I can certainly read - just haven't really found anything yet. Thanks! Don -- D.C. Parris, FMP, Linux+, ESL Certificate Minister, Security/FM Coordinator, Free Software Advocate http://dcparris.net/ https://www.xing.com/profile/Don_Parrishttp://www.linkedin.com/in/dcparris GPG Key ID: F5E179BE -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing with HP 960C Deskjet
Hi :) Errr, sorry about my little outburst earlier. C410 looks like it might be an even earlier model than the 960C. However the 960C is specifically listed on Hewlett Packard page of printers that have recently had support withdrawn, at least withdrawn from newer versions of OS X http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01856359cc=ukdlc=enlc=enproduct=77146tmp_track_link=ot_search with the extra note Installing older HP drivers and software on a Mac running these operating systems might create conflicts. A lot of times i find that sort of warning is wrong and that ignoring it worked fine for me. On the other hand ignoring such things has also left me with horribly broken systems that have taken a lot of time and resources to fix. I never know whether to risk it or not. Hmmm, another approach that is a lot more feasible in GnuLinux and probably Mac too is to install a Virtual Machine, such as Oracle's Virtualbox (which is actually quite good despite being Oracle's) and then install some other OS on there. I tend to go for something really light-weight that only just does the 1 task i need it for. For me that's often SliTaz but i don't know how good it is for printers. I usually just need a disk partitioner, a file-browser and text-editor and a web-browser. Alternatively a dual-boot into another system but 1. i think that's quite tough to set-up on Macs 2. it means rebooting every time you want to, in this case print, so i would tend to save all my printing and then do it all in one big batch. I tried looking up date of manufacture but am in a bit of a rush for a meeting i don't want to go to. Regards from Tom :) From: Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 July 2013, 23:07 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing with HP 960C Deskjet Hi. I have LO 4.1 dev build on a macbook pro 10.6.8 (I think) and can print duplex to a Brother 2040D and an HP C410. Steve On 2013-07-19 05:37, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Upgrading LO to 4.0.x sounds like a good plan, as does File - Export to Pdf and then print the Pdf through whatever you view Pdfs with. Errr i only had a go on 1 Macbook once and i wasn't able to fully explore it. it was quite a big deal for me as it's been about a decade since i last used a Mac. I have seen quite a few people on these mailing lists deal with Mac issues and documentation is pretty good at providing a conversion table to deal with a couple of issues. So i listen to other people and copypaste parts of their previous answers if it seems appropriate. These lists are great for learning tons of useful stuff or just increasing understanding general understanding. As Tim said Mac is kinda a brother or sister of GnuLinux so advice based on one might help with the other but there are some odd differences between the platforms. The main problem seemed to be that because the drivers were built-in to OS X 10.5 it's very difficult to get hold of a package that is just the driver or installer. However, i think the op has found 3 drivers that are almost right but just not quite there. Perhaps upgrading LO might help them. Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 5:03 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing with HP 960C Deskjet For now, as a big work around. . . Do you have luck printing a PDF file to the HP 960? If so, then just export to PDF and print that file. That will work till we get the direct printing from LO issue fixed. For the longest time, that was what I did to print a duplex document on the Epson printer. Do you have the ability to use the OSX 10.5 driver? Or the more generic 10.1.5 to 10.4.x driver? HP has those drivers on their web site for download. I am not a Mac person, but since it is sort of a Linux-like OS [do not tell me how it is not a Linux OS, since I am using a generic comparison] then there must be a way to install this older driver and use it. I know that for Linux and Windows, drivers for earlier version of the OS can work, most times, when there is no newer version for the newer OS. I have used 10.04 and 11.x drivers for my Ubuntu system when there has not been one made for my 12.04 version of the OS. Actually I have done that with several packages. So I am hoping that the 10.5.x driver would work on a 10.7 OSX, since there is none listed for 10.6 or 10.7. Also, LO 3.4.1 may not be the best version for your needs. I had a lot of trouble with dialogs and duplex printing till the 3.6.x line. I use 4.0.4.2 on a Linux system at this time. So it is possible for you to download and install
Re: [libreoffice-users] Base PostgreSQL Transactions
Hi :) Ahhh, i usually try to ask first and then start reading through documentation. If i find the answer first then i post it back to the list. It doesn't always work out that way as a google search and an initial quick glance through documentation can sometimes become too absorbing and time drifts. Regards from Tom :) From: Don Parris parri...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 July 2013, 23:32 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Base PostgreSQL Transactions On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) If you are looking for a good guide about Macros then Andrew Pitonyak's guide is supposedly the best https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_Documentation_and_Resources#Programmers Apparently it is well worth the money but you might want to have a quick look at the official guides for free first. Andrew wrote most of the chapters about Macros in those too as a first step into understanding Macros So, start with Chapter 9 of the Getting Started Guide SNIP I'm not entirely sure any of this helps you but hopefully others will appear later to let you know if you really do need macros. Obviously Python is a more useful language once you have gotten to grips with it but Basic might be easier to learn Regards from Tom :) Thanks Tom, yes I have been reading over the official guides, but haven't really found anything pertaining to my question so far, hence my asking here. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web
Hi :) It's good to disagree. I think that is how we develop new ideas or new things. Also if wee were all the same and all thought the same it would be mind-blowingly irritating (see various films such as Logans Run). If you try to do exactly the same thing in exactly the same way on a different system then it is not likely to work. Step forwards in a virtual world by moving the mouse or press the up arrow. If you are afk you would need to use your legs or arms (or someone else's) (ignoring those fancy motorised wheelchairs). Then if you try swimming - again, the up arrow is probably not going to help unless you are Lara Croft. LibreOffice is NOT just a cheap knock-off of MS Office. It has different ways of doing things. A different ethos. Sometimes it does things that MSO can't. Sometimes it leaves certain things, such as emailing, to other products so that you can choose between alternatives to suit your needs. I tend to find it is the newer users that have not yet learned bad habits that find it the easiest to use LibreOffice. It's the people that have invested a lot of time into learning MSO and thinking the MS way that have more trouble with it. My point was that people who have systems that do work well and smoothly often seem to be more willing to try something else. They tend to be the ones that have the most confidence. Contrary to popular belief it's fairly rare for MS to actually develop something. They assimilate it. The creative work is done by small companies vying for recognition. When they make it big MS buys them out and absorbs the work, kills the competition, and is thus able to generate far more profit from the smaller company than the smaller company could have hoped to achieve. Usually it's a kind of win-win. Errr, i am about to get thrown off this list again for disagreeing with the TDF viewpoint aren't i? Regards from Tom :) From: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Paul paulste...@afrihost.co.za; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013, 8:08 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web Hi all As to Tom's reference about broken systems, I cannot wholly agree. In my years of IT support to many clients and still current, I find resistance to change is more about a way of learning to do something with software apps, broken or not, and then having to relearn it, when approached with another similiar software app. In my recent post of two issues I have with Calc and Writer, my case in point, MSO can do the items I mentioned with no issues whatsoever, now that I have migrated users over to LO, they try exactly the same thing in LO and it fails. We of the higher computer levels forget that the majority of users are exactly that, users who want a simple way of doing their work without complications added. So this creates resistance to change of new/different products, the other competing products must be able to do the same for the base standard i.e. what MS systems have set as a precedence, whether we like it or not, for a good user experience, to get them to change over to a better system. As the old analogy goes, equal to or better. Cheers Andrew Brown On 18/07/2013 07:44 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think all of us here are on roughly the same side. It's just a case of trying to work out what works when and what doesn't. I haven't had a huge amount of success in converting MS users to LO. People seem to prefer sticking with broken mangled systems that don't do what they want rather than risk change. The more broken the system the more they resist change. Hence IE6 users being scared to death of trying anything else Regards from Tom :) From: Paul paulste...@afrihost.co.za To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 12:30 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web Hi, Or you could just install FireFox and be done with the problems .. Well, as Tom says, I don't think it's usefull to just say Get a new browser. Also, if the certificate is actually wrong, then it should be corrected, there really is no good reason it should be wrong, and switching browsers to not have to see the error is not a real solution. That said... ...Or LO webmasters could just stop being idiots and not offer a certificate for *.documentfoundation.org for libreoffice.org? That's maybe ever so slightly harsh. I just checked in Firefox, and the certificate for https://www.libreoffice.org has a certificate with a CN for www.libreoffice.org, so I'm not sure what the problem is... unless of course they've already fixed it. Just sayin' Paul On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:05:07 +0100 (BST) Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I kinda agree but even though IE has recently become
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing with HP 960C Deskjet
Hi :) Yes, duplexing and other features do work on some other printers. The problem is that we can't always be certain of what will and what wont work. As Virgil often grumbles it seems organisations like to change things around just to break things. In this case the HP 960C Deskjet was working fine in OS X 10.5 but now doesn't work so well with 10.7. rant On the one side we have manufacturers that want you to pay money for their newer models, preferably directly from them. Supplies would then only need to stock the newer inks and toners. Fersh faced kids out of college would only have to know how to support/use newer stuff. On the other side we have Operating Systems that don't want to be too bloated and don't want to have bitsbobs floating around to support things that hardly anyone is using any more. It's not really a conspiracy as such, it's just that it's in 'everyone's' best interest to keep on buying into the constant upgrade cycle. Everyone except the consumers and environmentalists and athsemtic kids but who cares about them. We have to spend more to make the economy recover don't we?! /rant [hopefully] side issue In GnuLinux land it is supposedly possible to 'just' find the appropriate old kernel module and do something to it and then kinda graft it on to a newer system. I have no idea if that is even possible for Macs. It's a proprietary system and i don't think they like the idea of people diving into the code. Even on GnuLinux i have no idea how to actually do that sort of thing anyway. I was hoping that someone might have a much easier fix! ;) /side issue It is good to know that duplexing does work before FUD starts being generated about this sort of thing. Regards from Tom :) From: Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 July 2013, 23:07 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing with HP 960C Deskjet Hi. I have LO 4.1 dev build on a macbook pro 10.6.8 (I think) and can print duplex to a Brother 2040D and an HP C410. Steve On 2013-07-19 05:37, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Upgrading LO to 4.0.x sounds like a good plan, as does File - Export to Pdf and then print the Pdf through whatever you view Pdfs with. Errr i only had a go on 1 Macbook once and i wasn't able to fully explore it. it was quite a big deal for me as it's been about a decade since i last used a Mac. I have seen quite a few people on these mailing lists deal with Mac issues and documentation is pretty good at providing a conversion table to deal with a couple of issues. So i listen to other people and copypaste parts of their previous answers if it seems appropriate. These lists are great for learning tons of useful stuff or just increasing understanding general understanding. As Tim said Mac is kinda a brother or sister of GnuLinux so advice based on one might help with the other but there are some odd differences between the platforms. The main problem seemed to be that because the drivers were built-in to OS X 10.5 it's very difficult to get hold of a package that is just the driver or installer. However, i think the op has found 3 drivers that are almost right but just not quite there. Perhaps upgrading LO might help them. Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 5:03 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing with HP 960C Deskjet For now, as a big work around. . . Do you have luck printing a PDF file to the HP 960? If so, then just export to PDF and print that file. That will work till we get the direct printing from LO issue fixed. For the longest time, that was what I did to print a duplex document on the Epson printer. Do you have the ability to use the OSX 10.5 driver? Or the more generic 10.1.5 to 10.4.x driver? HP has those drivers on their web site for download. I am not a Mac person, but since it is sort of a Linux-like OS [do not tell me how it is not a Linux OS, since I am using a generic comparison] then there must be a way to install this older driver and use it. I know that for Linux and Windows, drivers for earlier version of the OS can work, most times, when there is no newer version for the newer OS. I have used 10.04 and 11.x drivers for my Ubuntu system when there has not been one made for my 12.04 version of the OS. Actually I have done that with several packages. So I am hoping that the 10.5.x driver would work on a 10.7 OSX, since there is none listed for 10.6 or 10.7. Also, LO 3.4.1 may not be the best version for your needs. I had a lot of trouble with dialogs and duplex printing till the 3.6.x line. I use 4.0.4.2 on a Linux
Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc - allow users to format cells on protected sheets
Hi :) Ahh, i think it happens the other way too. That if you protect a document in LibreOffice then people opening it in MS Office will find the protection gets ignored. Personally i find it difficult enough to get people to edit and add their ideas into documents that are open and meant to be shared and updated. I've never had any trouble dissuading people from doing something! I had a quick look through documentation https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Calc_Guide but couldn't find anything. Are you sure you don't want to just share the document and then track changes? Regards from Tom :) From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013, 11:48 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc - allow users to format cells on protected sheets On 2013-07-18 4:52 PM, Dave Liesse dslie...@liessefamily.net wrote: I think what the OP is referring to is that in Excel you can do whatever you want to a protected spreadsheet -- you just can't save the changes. That is actually a completely different issue, but one that I have been meaning to raise as a Feature Request - thanks for reminding me... :) Thus, you can do a lot of what if analysis but can't mess up someone else's work. As my last replies hopefully made more clear, 'm talking about the options available when 'Protecting' a worksheet... I need an option to 'Allow users to modify formats'... But alas it looks like this isn't going to be possible... sigh -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Cell references - apply formats too?
Hi :) I think what you are asking for can't be done. It might be worth asking on the devs list to see if they have some quick way of diving into the code or it might be worth posting a bug-report about it as a feature request. There might already be a bug-report although i seem to remember the last person asking about this got his task done some other way. Regards from Tom :) From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013, 11:44 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Cell references - apply formats too? On 2013-07-18 10:52 PM, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote: What you can do, of course, is to set up another column or row in which you put suitable values which can then control conditional formatting of both the target cell and the referencing one. To change the background of both, you merely need to change the controlling values. These could even be colour names: red, green, and so on. Doesn't do what we need (see my last response to Errol), but thanks for trying... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc - allow users to format cells on protected sheets
Hi :) It sounds like a proper database would be better. Then reports can show the information in different ways, in different orders, without affecting the under-laying data. The front-end could be Writer and could be restricted to just certain fields (columns). Once set-up it could well turn out to be a shed load easier for the user but setting it up will require quite a steep learning curve. These tutorials are surprisingly clear English http://spoken-tutorial.org/list_videos I had expected a heavy accent but actually it's very comfortable to listen to. English and American are sometimes very snooty about this sort of thing but it's well worth trying out. There is a handbook now that can also help https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Base_Handbook The main thing is to work towards having the data tables in an external back-end, such as Postgresql or MariaDb/MySql but i don't think you have to do that to start with. I think you can export them later on. Then next time you want to build a database it'll be easier to start with the external one. At least that's my plan for what i'm hoping to do. Errr, i would hesitate to say this, if i was in your position, but if green is used for all the most recent recent cells how is the spreadsheet going to know when recent has eventually become old? An extra column to type the date into could be used to show when the latest change was made to that row. or maybe an extra date column beside each piece of data? I think i would go with 1 extra column for date and another for comments and the comments one to be used to say which bit if data got changed? Regards from Tom :) From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013, 11:44 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc - allow users to format cells on protected sheets On 2013-07-18 8:17 PM, Errol Goetsch er...@xe4.org wrote: PS In this example, the trigger value is transparent when the cell is unlocked (the user can see the conditional formatting formula), but you can make the trigger refer offsheet to a value the user can't see. Hope this helps Thanks for trying, but no, it doesn't. Libreoffice has exactly two options under 'Allow all users of this sheet to: [ ] Select protected cells [ ] Select unprotected cells Excel has a whopping 15: [ ] Select locked cells [ ] Select unlocked cells [ ] Format cells [ ] Format columns [ ] Format rows [ ] Insert columns [ ] Insert rows [ ] Insert hyperlinks [ ] Delete columns [ ] Delete rows [ ] Sort [ ] Use Autofilter [ ] Use PivotTable reports [ ] Edit objects [ ] Edit scenarios We have always maintained all of our internal documents and templates in ODF format (since we started using Openoffice at version 1.0), and I'm trying to avoid changing the format of this file to .xls and start using Excel to edit it, because doing so will open the door to converting *all* of our internal documents and templates to excel/word format. This particular spreadsheet is a Master spreadsheet where we put all of our Sales numbers, and the boss wants the person assigned to update the sheet to start changing the BG color of the most recent changes. The problem is, the MAIN sheet that everyone looks at, references numbers that are entered on their Managers 'Team' sheet, and must be locked to prevent accidental deletion of the content. Crap. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web
Hi :) I do think Andrew has valid points and it makes sense intuitively. I had just been having a bad hair day and feeling a bit disheartened. Really just having another spin on The Matrix quote about losing the entire 1st crop due to not stressing the system enough. Regards from Tom :) From: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Paul paulste...@afrihost.co.za; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013, 8:08 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web Hi all As to Tom's reference about broken systems, I cannot wholly agree. In my years of IT support to many clients and still current, I find resistance to change is more about a way of learning to do something with software apps, broken or not, and then having to relearn it, when approached with another similar software app. In my recent post of two issues I have with Calc and Writer, my case in point, MSO can do the items I mentioned with no issues whatsoever, now that I have migrated users over to LO, they try exactly the same thing in LO and it fails. We of the higher computer levels forget that the majority of users are exactly that, users who want a simple way of doing their work without complications added. So this creates resistance to change of new/different products, the other competing products must be able to do the same for the base standard i.e. what MS systems have set as a precedence, whether we like it or not, for a good user experience, to get them to change over to a better system. As the old analogy goes, equal to or better. Cheers Andrew Brown On 18/07/2013 07:44 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think all of us here are on roughly the same side. It's just a case of trying to work out what works when and what doesn't. I haven't had a huge amount of success in converting MS users to LO. People seem to prefer sticking with broken mangled systems that don't do what they want rather than risk change. The more broken the system the more they resist change. Hence IE6 users being scared to death of trying anything else Regards from Tom :) From: Paul paulste...@afrihost.co.za To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 12:30 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web Hi, Or you could just install FireFox and be done with the problems .. Well, as Tom says, I don't think it's usefull to just say Get a new browser. Also, if the certificate is actually wrong, then it should be corrected, there really is no good reason it should be wrong, and switching browsers to not have to see the error is not a real solution. That said... ...Or LO webmasters could just stop being idiots and not offer a certificate for *.documentfoundation.org for libreoffice.org? That's maybe ever so slightly harsh. I just checked in Firefox, and the certificate for https://www.libreoffice.org has a certificate with a CN for www.libreoffice.org, so I'm not sure what the problem is... unless of course they've already fixed it. Just sayin' Paul On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:05:07 +0100 (BST) Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I kinda agree but even though IE has recently become a minority share of the web-browser market it is still used by quite a lot of people. Usually those people are clueless about the alternatives and/or seem to think they are using a superior product because they haven't really tried anything else. There's a LOT of them and we don't want to cut them out of our potential market. Telling them they have to change web-browser just to use LO just gives them an extra reason not to bother trying LO. It just makes yet another artificial barrier and increases the FUD. Something that does seem to surprise people and encourage them to install LO is that they can have both LO and MSO on their system. A dismaying number of people wont dare try LO because they think they have to get rid of their MSO. Similarly with web-browsers of course but that is not our fight. I'm credited with having written the 2nd paragraph below but it really wasn't me 1. Most of the web developers i know are ladies 2. If i had thought of it i would have written directly to the Websites List to ask them if they could do it. probably the only reason it might not have been done already is that they are a small team and are still working on it. However, i doubt that IE 9 needs a different certificate from IE 8 or that certificates made for IE 8 are incompatible with IE 9. It's always possible, of course, especially if it could make things difficult for LO without affecting too many other people. Most of the people on tis list probably are already using Firefox, Chrome, the Mac one, Opera or some other non-MS web-browser. We need to catch more people that haven't tried the others
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Some content in ODP slide appears only in slide show view of Impress, not in normal view or PDF output
Hi :) Ahhh, they might have pulled some bad formatting with them. I often find it's good to make a fresh start in LibreOffice at some point. For normal text doing Ctrl Shift v to Paste Special and then choose unformatted text gets rid of a lot of messy formatting. Then apply and modify styles to get things the way i like. For the equations it might be best to re-write them in Math and then copy them into the slide. Regina or someone else here might have some really clever way of sorting the problem in some far more elegant way but often it's quickest to just do my painful way once and as you do that you'll probably figure out something a bit more elegant. Apols and regards from Tom :) From: Dan vi5u0-libreoff...@yahoo.co.uk To: Tom tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013, 12:50 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Some content in ODP slide appears only in slide show view of Impress, not in normal view or PDF output IIRC, the equations were originally copied and pasted into Impress from a pptx presentation that I had open in PowerPoint 2010. I have a vague memory that, immediately after pasting them, they looked right in Normal view until the first time that Impress was closed and restarted. - Original Message - From: Tom tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013, 12:16 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Some content in ODP slide appears only in slide show view of Impress, not in normal view or PDF output Are the equations created in Math and then copied into the Impress slide? or are the equations done straight into the text-box? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Pull-down styles menu
Hi :) Instead of saying me too it might help more (in most cases) to put what version of LO you are using and what version of which platform. So for example LO 3.5.4 on Xp. Moght often help the devs pin down when the problem first appeared in the code. However, in this case i think it's clear they already know that sort of thing so it's best to avoid the extra traffic Regards from Tom :) From: Mirosław Zalewski mini...@poczta.onet.pl To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Séamas Ó Brógáin s...@iol.ie Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013, 16:50 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Pull-down styles menu On 15/07/2013 at 12:46, Séamas Ó Brógáin s...@iol.ie wrote: My version of Libre Office (4.0.2.2) on GNU/Linux (Ubuntu 13.04) has a feature that I decidedly don’t want: illustrating the styles in the pull-down style menu in the actual typeface and size (some huge, some tiny). I’ve searched everywhere for the option of turning it off, but with no success. Any hints gratefully received. You can't turn it off. This change was introduced in commit #7e862a2dff0941678cc57b9fe796803874096ba0 (http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=7e862a2dff0941678cc57b9fe796803874096ba0) Change affects only tbcontrl.cxx file; there you can see current one: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/svx/source/tbxctrls/tbcontrl.cxx If you care to read source code, you will notice that there are no conditional statements that would check if anything should really be done. There is also enhancement request on LO bugzilla: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62926 You can add yourself to CC list, so you will be notified of any changes in this matter; if you think you can provide some more value there, you can also post a comment (please note that messages saying me too and this should be done as soon as possible do not provide additional value and should be avoided). -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Visible currency rounding
Hi :) It's really good to see more people sharing code on this list. Looks like a useful function to have. Sometimes it is more useful to have a working bit of code that is a mess rather than something elegant that doesn't work. It follows the philosophy of Release early and release often. if it's working then people use it and maybe look at it and maybe edit it to improve it. If it's beautiful code but doesn't work and doesn't get used then no-one sees it and it may never get completed. So it's great to have something working. Also i can't see anything wrong with the code anyway! If anyone can improve it or stream-line it then please post the code back to this mailing list, or at least to toodr. I noticed a couple of things in the Rem statements, Echos and commented out bits (that's the ' s, right?), ie none of which affects the running of the program and most never even gets seen by users. Digits only needs 1 g. Accepsts is a tpyo of Accepts. Exessive a tpyo of excessive. If Rems and stuff are important i'm sure the Docs Team wouldn't mind trying to de-geekify them or maybe people here might but i think it really doesn't make much difference. Just out of curiosity would it be tough to translate this sort of thing into Python and make it into an Extension? Perhaps joined with other code that has been on the mailing list here? @ Toodr: Would you mind giving permission to license your code under the copyleft licensing used by the rest of the code? So people could share and modify? Looks like you said it would be fine, informally. GPL? LGPL? Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: toodr todorta...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 20 July 2013, 0:26 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Visible currency rounding I had the same problem. I needed to implement the so called Bankers' Rounding Function, which would round with respect to the 4/5 rule. And finally I ended doing it myself in a short Function in LO Basic. I tried my best, although math and programming are not my strong sides. So here it is, together with a Subroutine called rounded_test and the very Function is called Rounded. Sub rounded_test N=20.45454545454545454545 N= Rounded(N) N=0 End Sub REM Banker's Rounding Function REM Accepsts parameter as Double with or without a sign +/- REM Returns Double with or without a sign +/-,rounded to the second diggit after the comma separator Function Rounded (NumD As Double) Dim NumI as Integer Dim position as Integer position=0 Dim overflow as Integer overflow=0 Dim NumS as String REM initilize 2 arrays (integer and string) and we save the number into them NumS=Format( NumD, 0.) len01=LEN(NumS) Dim Stringarray(len01-1) as String Dim Integerarray(len01-1) as Integer For i=1 to len01 string0=Mid(NumS,i,1) If string0=. Or string0=, Then Stringarray(i-1)=. Integerarray(i-1)=0 position=i Else Stringarray(i-1)=string0 Integerarray(i-1)=Val(string0) End if next i string0= 'Emptying the variable which will be used to return the number - string REM Rounding If position=0 Then 'an integer without a fraction part - return the number as it is! Rounded=NumD Exit Function Else End If If len01-position2 Then 'will be rounding For j=1 to len01-position-2 '(len01-position-2) number of diggits till the end of the number string which will be dropped out If Integerarray(len01-j)5 Or overflow=1 Or (Integerarray(len01-j)=5 And (Stringarray(len01-j-1)=1 Or Stringarray(len01-j-1)=3 Or Stringarray(len01-j-1)=5 Or Stringarray(len01-j-1)=7 Or Stringarray(len01-j-1)=9)) Then overflow=1 If Integerarray(len01-j-1)+overflow=9 Then Integerarray(len01-j-1)=Integerarray(len01-j-1)+overflow overflow=0 Else Integerarray(len01-j-1)=0 overflow=1 End if Integerarray(len01-j)=0 Stringarray(len01-j)=0 Stringarray(len01-j-1)=CStr(Integerarray(len01-j-1)) Else Integerarray(len01-j)=0 Stringarray(len01-j)=0 End If Next j 'If we have some left over, remaining after the removal of the exessive diggits, we shall distribute it 'among the remaining integer and fractional part If overflow=1 Then For k=position to 0 step -1 If k=position-1 Then goto Lbl 'skip this if it is a comma or point separator If k=0 And (Stringarray(k)=- Or Stringarray(k)=+) Then goto Lbl 'skip this if it is a +/- sign If Integerarray(k)+overflow=9 Then Integerarray(k)=Integerarray(k)+overflow overflow=0 Else Integerarray(k)=0 overflow=1 End if Stringarray(k)=CStr(Integerarray(k)) Lbl: next k Else End If 'Check if we have a +/- sign in front If
Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing image from LO Draw (ODG) to Writer
Hi :) You are not yet thinking in the LO way. The modules/apps (such as Writer, Calc, Draw) are not separate programs in the way you seem to be trying to use them. This is very different from MS Office. With MSO if you open 2 of the apps then you pretty much double the amount of space taken up in Ram and double the resources used. Why not just create the page-breaks in Draw? Even if you do get the Pdf into Writer and save as an Odt rather than an Odg it still doesn't become any more editable than it is as an Odg. Pdf is made to be uneditable. That is part of it's aim. It's because it is uneditable that it appears the same on every machine or printer in any OS or program that displays Pdf, or at least that's the aim. You might find it helpful to skim quickly through the Getting Started Guide and see if soem things in there catch your eye https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications Regards from Tom :) From: Cliff Scott c...@intergate.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013, 3:54 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Importing image from LO Draw (ODG) to Writer I had a one page PDF file that I wanted to break into multiple pages. Opening the PDF with LO resulted in LO Draw opening with the file nicely displayed. I saved it as a draw image (odg) and then expected to be able to directly import it to Writer. Unfortunately I could find no way to do that. Even using copy/paste resulted in a black page since the image was larger than one page. My hope was to have it come in and naturally break into multiple pages. As a last resort I selected a portion of the image in Draw , copy/pasted it into Writer, inserted a page break then repeated the action on multiple pages until the entire image was in Writer. It seems as if there must be a more elegant way to do this. I have never used Draw before so I'm just trying to figure out the details. To be useful it seems as if there must be an easy way to move from Draw into Writer or Calc. Can someone help me see what I'm missing? Thanks. Cliff -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Need a screenshot... LO 4.1.0 on WIn7
Hi :) Is anyone on Win7 and able to run 4.1.0 alongside whatever they are running at the moment? Any chance of getting a screen-shot? In Windows that is the 1. Press the Print screen button, just above the insert button, just above the arrow keys 2. Open an image editor, such as Paint 3. Ctrl V to paste the image from the clipboard into the editor 4. Save As to save in a usable format, preferably Png In GnuLinux that would have been 1. Press the Print screen button, just above the insert button, just above the arrow keys Job done. Of course if you upload to Nabble and give us the link that would probably be the best way to be able to share with a different mailing list. Regards from Tom :) From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org To: market...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013, 12:55 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Need a screenshot... Hello all, I'd need some help as I don't run any Windows machine and I need a nice screenshot of LibreOffice 4.1 running on Win7. Here's the story: our integration to the Windows look and feel just got better and while some can always disagree on the interface style we just don't look outdated in terms of native look and feel. It's worth mentioning so if anyone runs a 4.1 pre release on Windows 7 please let me know here and send me the screenshot off list or attach it to a wiki page. Thanks! -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-founder Director, The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
LO 3.6.x or 4.0.x on WIn7 Re: [libreoffice-users] Need a screenshot... LO 4.1.0 on WIn7
Hi :) Ok, we have the 4.1.0 screenshots but now would like a comparison with an earlier version of LO, either 3.6.x or 4.0.x = still on on Win7. Imgur might well be better for taking screen-shots on Win7. I didn't know about it. It sound shed loads better! :) The Alt+PrintScreen worked on the older Windows method of pasting into another app if you prefer to still use that old method. The Alt+PrintScreen also works in the default GnuLinux systems which all seem to be a lot more sophisticated than the old Windows way. There are several apps to choose from in GnuLinux. The Docs Team experimented with a few before deciding on which one to recommend to their new members. I'm not sure if Imgur has a time-delay setting and all that sort of thing. It might do. Anyway the point is that Win7 does have a nice screen-shot app but it's just a bit hidden. Whichever way you take a screen-shot of 3.6.x or 4.0.x on Win7 is probably fine with the Marketing Team. Regards from Tom :) From: Gabriel Risterucci cleyf...@gmail.com To: Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013, 18:43 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Need a screenshot... LO 4.1.0 on WIn7 2013/7/21 M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com PS : Using the Windows screenshot tool, found under «Accessories» is, in my opinion, far superior to the keyboard technique you mention above Keyboard shortcut aren't that bad if your objective is to upload pics to internet. A quick and efficient way of doing it is to use imgur: - Open imgur, select web upload - Capture *only* the currently active windows (by pressing Alt+PrintScreen) - Go to the imgur window, press Ctrl+V to directly *paste* into the website :) You can repeat the two final steps to put as many screenshot as you need; when done press Start Upload in the imgur window and tadaa. It actually avoid the need to create temporary image files on your computer, and provide you with public links. Of course I only cited imgur as an example, there is probably other service that handle pasting images nicely. I know I'm coming after the battle here, but it's a nice trick to know for sending screenshot all around, and surely future versions of LO will also need new screenshots :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[Solved] Re: LO 3.6.x or 4.0.x on WIn7 Re: [libreoffice-users] Need a screenshot... LO 4.1.0 on WIn7
Hi :) I think this one has been solved already!! M Henri seems to have already provided screenshot from another system also using Win7. Total star! Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk To: users@global.libreoffice.org Users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013, 22:06 Subject: LO 3.6.x or 4.0.x on WIn7 Re: [libreoffice-users] Need a screenshot... LO 4.1.0 on WIn7 Hi :) Ok, we have the 4.1.0 screenshots but now would like a comparison with an earlier version of LO, either 3.6.x or 4.0.x = still on on Win7. Imgur might well be better for taking screen-shots on Win7. I didn't know about it. It sound shed loads better! :) The Alt+PrintScreen worked on the older Windows method of pasting into another app if you prefer to still use that old method. The Alt+PrintScreen also works in the default GnuLinux systems which all seem to be a lot more sophisticated than the old Windows way. There are several apps to choose from in GnuLinux. The Docs Team experimented with a few before deciding on which one to recommend to their new members. I'm not sure if Imgur has a time-delay setting and all that sort of thing. It might do. Anyway the point is that Win7 does have a nice screen-shot app but it's just a bit hidden. Whichever way you take a screen-shot of 3.6.x or 4.0.x on Win7 is probably fine with the Marketing Team. Regards from Tom :) From: Gabriel Risterucci cleyf...@gmail.com To: Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013, 18:43 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Need a screenshot... LO 4.1.0 on WIn7 2013/7/21 M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com PS : Using the Windows screenshot tool, found under «Accessories» is, in my opinion, far superior to the keyboard technique you mention above Keyboard shortcut aren't that bad if your objective is to upload pics to internet. A quick and efficient way of doing it is to use imgur: - Open imgur, select web upload - Capture *only* the currently active windows (by pressing Alt+PrintScreen) - Go to the imgur window, press Ctrl+V to directly *paste* into the website :) You can repeat the two final steps to put as many screenshot as you need; when done press Start Upload in the imgur window and tadaa. It actually avoid the need to create temporary image files on your computer, and provide you with public links. Of course I only cited imgur as an example, there is probably other service that handle pasting images nicely. I know I'm coming after the battle here, but it's a nice trick to know for sending screenshot all around, and surely future versions of LO will also need new screenshots :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: csv files not displaying properly
Hi :) This guide might help https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile Regards from Tom :) From: Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013, 22:09 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: csv files not displaying properly snip / Mine say standard. I just remembered that I loaned my laptop to my daughter and it is setup the same as my desktop that I am having trouble with. Had her bring it over and I tried the problem file on it and it worked just fine, so something is wrong with my setup. I opened tools--options on both machines and compared them line by line they were almost exactly the same. I couldn't see how the minor differences would make any difference but I changed mine to match the laptop but it still doesn't work correctly. I guess after a bit if no one else has any ideas I will reinstall or go the ppa route. Thanks, Jim Jim Rename the hidden LO user folder to something like user-old, it is the home directory either under .libreoffice or .conf folders. When you start LO after the rename the default folder is recreated. You then move any templates, etc. back to the user folder. This is common methood to avoid a full reinstall. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: LO 3.6.x or 4.0.x on WIn7 Re: [libreoffice-users] Need a screenshot... LO 4.1.0 on WIn7
Hi :) Many thanks :) Lqtm. It's been quite a while since i was last involved in something that developed so fast that different people were on different time-lines and threads got a tad confusing! Thanks also to others that contributed to this thread. Given how fast all this was done if anyone here is able to join the Docs Team to help them with screen-shots that would be great. To avoid potential copyright issues they tend to take almost all screen-shots in GnuLinux but i think they still need a couple done in Windows. Some were done in Mac just because that happened to be what the author was using at the time but again there might be some potential for copyright issues. So GnuLinux is just the preferred platform if it's easy enough. Regards from Tom :) From: M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013, 22:14 Subject: Re: LO 3.6.x or 4.0.x on WIn7 Re: [libreoffice-users] Need a screenshot... LO 4.1.0 on WIn7 2013/7/21 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) Ok, we have the 4.1.0 screenshots but now would like a comparison with an earlier version of LO, either 3.6.x or 4.0.x = still on on Win7. Imgur might well be better for taking screen-shots on Win7. I didn't know about it. It sound shed loads better! :) The Alt+PrintScreen worked on the older Windows method of pasting into another app if you prefer to still use that old method. The Alt+PrintScreen also works in the default GnuLinux systems which all seem to be a lot more sophisticated than the old Windows way. There are several apps to choose from in GnuLinux. The Docs Team experimented with a few before deciding on which one to recommend to their new members. I'm not sure if Imgur has a time-delay setting and all that sort of thing. It might do. Anyway the point is that Win7 does have a nice screen-shot app but it's just a bit hidden. Whichever way you take a screen-shot of 3.6.x or 4.0.x on Win7 is probably fine with the Marketing Team. Regards from Tom :) Well, Tom, now you've received the screenshots of the 4.0.4.2 versions Calc, Impress, and Writer in Win7 to compare with the ones of the 4.1.0 versions I sent earlier. I hope they sufficed !... Henri -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] opening powerpoint files restart the computer
Hi :) I think ram issues are the 2nd most likely cause of crashes. If it is the cause then you probably find other programs also seem to cause crashes too. The 1st most likely cause has usually been some bad version of Java. Each time Oracle release a version of Java they claim it is safe and that we must all upgrade to it asap or experience all sorts of unspeakable horrors. Then a few weeks later they admit there are problems with their newer one too. Then they release yet another and claim we must all upgrade to that. Rinse and repeat. If you are not using a Screen-Reader or other Accessibility tool then you can probably switch Java off without noticing any difference except that your system is more stable. Tools - Options - Advanced / Java At the top UNtick the box that asks if you want to use Java. You will see all the versions of java currently installed on your system listed in the big white box under that. Really your system should have no more than 2 but preferably none. Note that in the USA their Homeland security apparently sent out a warning to companies that they should remove Java from their systems because it was creating such huge problems so often. I'm not often in agreement with Homeland Security. I switched Java off in as many apps/programs as possible for about a month before i finally uninstalled it from all machines. I was a bit worried that i might have needed it for something but after a month found that nothing at my place needed it. Of course some companies still run job adverts for Java programmers ... Like i said, Ram is probably 2nd and after that is possibly wobbly graphics card issues. Overheating often leads to machines just cutting power. In the bios you might be able to set what temperature causes an automatic shut-down. I hooovered one persons laptop grills and keyboard solving that one for her!! It was a bit of a risk but worked out well. For desktops it's usually easier to take the side of the case off and gently remove the choking dust. Be careful !! a) it causes almost unstoppable coughing if inhaled. Drinking water doesn't seem to help but something heavier like mango juice or milk usually does the trick. b) the plastic nozzle of the hoover holds enough charge to seriously zap most of the components on almost any mbord. Even fingers hold enough static to significantly reduce lifespans of components although normal skin has enough unnoticeable oil to create other problems too. Generally with those sorts of things you will notice other programs also cause crashes. Going off on a tangent ... Win7 has some new clever way of filling up nearly all available Ram by caching what it thinks you will need next or might need quickly (such as things you just closed). So, some of that 35% will just be cached items. One of the big features about Win7 was that it was smaller than it's predecessor. Each newer version of Windows has usually been hugely more demanding in terms of resources than any previous version of Windows. With Win7 one of the boasts was that it's almost as small and efficient as Xp. (ie smaller than Vista). A 1st for MS. Wrt deliberately written malware embedded in documents i think that is usually only possible through Macros. The Macro code has to find a way of being executed as Administrator (in GnuLinux we say SuperUser or Root User (hence commands such as su or sudo)). I think LO Macros run in some safer way that denies them access to that level of privilege even when a Windows user is running as Admin all the time. Win7 is much better at working well as normal user so users are not all forced into running as Admin user all the time. Again a 1st for MS. While MS Office macros have been used as an attack-vector for quite a lot of malware over the years LO/OOo Macros never have been afaik. MS Office macros use a different language so they don't run in LO or any of the other competitors to MSO. In Windows it seems to be considered ok for apps/programs to suddenly go off and download updates and then install them and even force a reboot. Generally programs are polite enough to ask before forcing a reboot but if you dare to say no they will keep popping up with the demand every few minutes until you obey. In GnuLinux such behaviour would be considered a serious security issue. Regards from Tom :) From: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za To: Gabriel Risterucci cleyf...@gmail.com Cc: Demétrio Soares demetrio.soa...@gmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013, 17:52 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] opening powerpoint files restart the computer Hi Gabriel I agree, you make some valid points, but the MS hive (collection of the boot code plus apps running in memory in one big monolith file, unlike the Linux kernel with separate clients communicating with the kernel, all separate), is
Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing image from LO Draw (ODG) to Writer
Hi :) Sorry chap! I was thinking that you could get the cursor beside the image in a page and then press Ctrl Enter or from the menus do Insert - errr, Slide (surely that should be page as in Writer rather than slide as in Impress?) When the cursor is beside a whole-page image it is not the tiny small thing it usually is but instead takes up the whole vertical height of the image. I'm actually coming around to thinking that you might have had the best method after all! Apols and regards from Tom :) From: Cliff Scott c...@intergate.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 22 July 2013, 0:43 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing image from LO Draw (ODG) to Writer ** Reply to message from Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk on Sun, 21 Jul 2013 11:21:58 +0100 (BST) Hi Tom, I appreciate your thoughts. I'm sure I don't understand all the integration of the modules. I don't have an internet connection right now so can't look at the suggested resource, but will when I can. Using the LO help file and trying all the menu options I can find I don't see any way to put page breaks in a draw image. I can select different parts of the image, but I see nothing regarding page breaks and the cursor will not stop anywhere alongside the image to allow one to select a page break even if there was an menu item for it as there is in Writer. Could you explain in more detail how I would go about doing this? The best I could get from the Help was to do it as I did with selecting portions and copy/paste into Writer. Cliff Hi :) You are not yet thinking in the LO way. The modules/apps (such as Writer, Calc, Draw) are not separate programs in the way you seem to be trying to use them. This is very different from MS Office. With MSO if you open 2 of the apps then you pretty much double the amount of space taken up in Ram and double the resources used. Why not just create the page-breaks in Draw? Even if you do get the Pdf into Writer and save as an Odt rather than an Odg it still doesn't become any more editable than it is as an Odg. Pdf is made to be uneditable. That is part of it's aim. It's because it is uneditable that it appears the same on every machine or printer in any OS or program that displays Pdf, or at least that's the aim. You might find it helpful to skim quickly through the Getting Started Guide and see if some things in there catch your eye https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications Regards from Tom :) From: Cliff Scott c...@intergate.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013, 3:54 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Importing image from LO Draw (ODG) to Writer I had a one page PDF file that I wanted to break into multiple pages. Opening the PDF with LO resulted in LO Draw opening with the file nicely displayed. I saved it as a draw image (odg) and then expected to be able to directly import it to Writer. Unfortunately I could find no way to do that. Even using copy/paste resulted in a black page since the image was larger than one page. My hope was to have it come in and naturally break into multiple pages. As a last resort I selected a portion of the image in Draw , copy/pasted it into Writer, inserted a page break then repeated the action on multiple pages until the entire image was in Writer. It seems as if there must be a more elegant way to do this. I have never used Draw before so I'm just trying to figure out the details. To be useful it seems as if there must be an easy way to move from Draw into Writer or Calc. Can someone help me see what I'm missing? Thanks. Cliff -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
