Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason While this isn't probably what you're looking for, I recently found this to use in instances where I have non-POE switches and have to keep them in place and can't upgrade them (for various crazy reasons). http://www.microsemi.com/PowerDsine/Documentation/datasheets/PD9000G.pdf HTH others who find themselves in my shoes... -- Also on LinkedIn? Feel free to connect if you too are an open networker: scubac...@gmail.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
Yeah... We could have our own separate units for 48V 24V. On 3/4/2011 7:33 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Hello Kevin, Starting to sound like this project is taking shape! Keep me posted and can we get an updated bullet point list of the feature set you are thinking? Maybe the output voltage should be just a simple pass-through from whatever redundant power supplies the end user selects for their PoE equipment? This may help future proof the PoE Controller from possible vendor changes like UBNT is considering. (e.g. 24VDC to 48VDC) Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Sullivan *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2011 1:51 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch It'd have a web interface with SNMP support. Yeah, 12 port. Kevin - Original Message - *From:*Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net *To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:*Friday, March 04, 2011 11:33 AM *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Yes, better. At this time, we only use AC to power devices. Also I didn't see a web interface or cli on your list of features... Also also, number of ports should = 12 At $250, depending on features when it actually hit the street, we would take about 20. On 3/4/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether most WISPs would need a non-standard 24v or 48v out. At the last Ubiquiti conference they mentioned that their newest line of AirBeam APs will be running 48v. Obviously their current line is 24v, as is Trango and Tranzeo. Moto needs the GPS sync signal, so this wouldn't work for that. Also, would most people use DC or A/C to power the device? If DC, 24 or 48v? I talked it over with our electrical engineer, and he says the $450 number is what it would cost in the three-four quantity we had been discussing. In a batch of 100, the price would be closer to $250. Is that more appealing? Thanks! Kevin - Original Message - *From:*Brad Belton mailto:b...@belwave.com *To:*'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:*Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:38 PM *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Hello Kevin, I'd be interested depending on how many ports you think this device would have. It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise. If a HUB site requires more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in equipment, IMO. Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge suppression is found in today's PoE's? 24VDC output would probably be our preference too. Are you saying the DC input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus? 1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us. Keep us posted... Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Sullivan *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - *From:*Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net *To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:*Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether most WISPs would need a non-standard 24v or 48v out. At the last Ubiquiti conference they mentioned that their newest line of AirBeam APs will be running 48v. Obviously their current line is 24v, as is Trango and Tranzeo. Moto needs the GPS sync signal, so this wouldn't work for that. Also, would most people use DC or A/C to power the device? If DC, 24 or 48v? I talked it over with our electrical engineer, and he says the $450 number is what it would cost in the three-four quantity we had been discussing. In a batch of 100, the price would be closer to $250. Is that more appealing? Thanks! Kevin - Original Message - From: Brad Belton To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Hello Kevin, I'd be interested depending on how many ports you think this device would have. It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise. If a HUB site requires more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in equipment, IMO. Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge suppression is found in today's PoE's? 24VDC output would probably be our preference too. Are you saying the DC input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus? 1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us. Keep us posted. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark Nash To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
Yes, better. At this time, we only use AC to power devices. Also I didn't see a web interface or cli on your list of features... Also also, number of ports should = 12 At $250, depending on features when it actually hit the street, we would take about 20. On 3/4/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether most WISPs would need a non-standard 24v or 48v out. At the last Ubiquiti conference they mentioned that their newest line of AirBeam APs will be running 48v. Obviously their current line is 24v, as is Trango and Tranzeo. Moto needs the GPS sync signal, so this wouldn't work for that. Also, would most people use DC or A/C to power the device? If DC, 24 or 48v? I talked it over with our electrical engineer, and he says the $450 number is what it would cost in the three-four quantity we had been discussing. In a batch of 100, the price would be closer to $250. Is that more appealing? Thanks! Kevin - Original Message - *From:* Brad Belton mailto:b...@belwave.com *To:* 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:38 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Hello Kevin, I'd be interested depending on how many ports you think this device would have. It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise. If a HUB site requires more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in equipment, IMO. Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge suppression is found in today's PoE's? 24VDC output would probably be our preference too. Are you saying the DC input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus? 1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us. Keep us posted... Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Sullivan *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - *From:*Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net *To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:*Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
I think every device I ever used on a tower was DC powered. I'd vote for DC over cat-5. Cameron On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Yes, better. At this time, we only use AC to power devices. Also I didn't see a web interface or cli on your list of features... Also also, number of ports should = 12 At $250, depending on features when it actually hit the street, we would take about 20. On 3/4/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether most WISPs would need a non-standard 24v or 48v out. At the last Ubiquiti conference they mentioned that their newest line of AirBeam APs will be running 48v. Obviously their current line is 24v, as is Trango and Tranzeo. Moto needs the GPS sync signal, so this wouldn't work for that. Also, would most people use DC or A/C to power the device? If DC, 24 or 48v? I talked it over with our electrical engineer, and he says the $450 number is what it would cost in the three-four quantity we had been discussing. In a batch of 100, the price would be closer to $250. Is that more appealing? Thanks! Kevin - Original Message - *From:* Brad Belton b...@belwave.com *To:* 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:38 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Hello Kevin, I’d be interested depending on how many ports you think this device would have. It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise. If a HUB site requires more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in equipment, IMO. Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge suppression is found in today’s PoE’s? 24VDC output would probably be our preference too. Are you saying the DC input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus? 1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us. Keep us posted… Best, Brad *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Sullivan *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - *From:* Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping” feature they’ll have a winner. Best, Brad *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
Important to establish what we're talking about... We're talking about powering the rackmount PoE device that will power all the other devices. You're wanting that to be DC powered, Cameron? On 3/4/2011 11:37 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: I think every device I ever used on a tower was DC powered. I'd vote for DC over cat-5. Cameron On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: Yes, better. At this time, we only use AC to power devices. Also I didn't see a web interface or cli on your list of features... Also also, number of ports should = 12 At $250, depending on features when it actually hit the street, we would take about 20. On 3/4/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether most WISPs would need a non-standard 24v or 48v out. At the last Ubiquiti conference they mentioned that their newest line of AirBeam APs will be running 48v. Obviously their current line is 24v, as is Trango and Tranzeo. Moto needs the GPS sync signal, so this wouldn't work for that. Also, would most people use DC or A/C to power the device? If DC, 24 or 48v? I talked it over with our electrical engineer, and he says the $450 number is what it would cost in the three-four quantity we had been discussing. In a batch of 100, the price would be closer to $250. Is that more appealing? Thanks! Kevin - Original Message - *From:* Brad Belton mailto:b...@belwave.com *To:* 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:38 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Hello Kevin, I’d be interested depending on how many ports you think this device would have. It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise. If a HUB site requires more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in equipment, IMO. Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge suppression is found in today’s PoE’s? 24VDC output would probably be our preference too. Are you saying the DC input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus? 1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us. Keep us posted… Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Sullivan *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - *From:*Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net *To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:*Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping” feature they’ll have a winner. Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
Sorry...thought you meant devices on the tower, although an option for DC on the POE device would be good too for remote sites with solar. Cameron On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Important to establish what we're talking about... We're talking about powering the rackmount PoE device that will power all the other devices. You're wanting that to be DC powered, Cameron? On 3/4/2011 11:37 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: I think every device I ever used on a tower was DC powered. I'd vote for DC over cat-5. Cameron On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Yes, better. At this time, we only use AC to power devices. Also I didn't see a web interface or cli on your list of features... Also also, number of ports should = 12 At $250, depending on features when it actually hit the street, we would take about 20. On 3/4/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether most WISPs would need a non-standard 24v or 48v out. At the last Ubiquiti conference they mentioned that their newest line of AirBeam APs will be running 48v. Obviously their current line is 24v, as is Trango and Tranzeo. Moto needs the GPS sync signal, so this wouldn't work for that. Also, would most people use DC or A/C to power the device? If DC, 24 or 48v? I talked it over with our electrical engineer, and he says the $450 number is what it would cost in the three-four quantity we had been discussing. In a batch of 100, the price would be closer to $250. Is that more appealing? Thanks! Kevin - Original Message - *From:* Brad Belton b...@belwave.com *To:* 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:38 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Hello Kevin, I’d be interested depending on how many ports you think this device would have. It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise. If a HUB site requires more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in equipment, IMO. Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge suppression is found in today’s PoE’s? 24VDC output would probably be our preference too. Are you saying the DC input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus? 1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us. Keep us posted… Best, Brad *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Sullivan *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - *From:* Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping” feature they’ll have a winner. Best, Brad *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
It'd have a web interface with SNMP support. Yeah, 12 port. Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark Nash To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Yes, better. At this time, we only use AC to power devices. Also I didn't see a web interface or cli on your list of features... Also also, number of ports should = 12 At $250, depending on features when it actually hit the street, we would take about 20. On 3/4/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether most WISPs would need a non-standard 24v or 48v out. At the last Ubiquiti conference they mentioned that their newest line of AirBeam APs will be running 48v. Obviously their current line is 24v, as is Trango and Tranzeo. Moto needs the GPS sync signal, so this wouldn't work for that. Also, would most people use DC or A/C to power the device? If DC, 24 or 48v? I talked it over with our electrical engineer, and he says the $450 number is what it would cost in the three-four quantity we had been discussing. In a batch of 100, the price would be closer to $250. Is that more appealing? Thanks! Kevin - Original Message - From: Brad Belton To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Hello Kevin, I'd be interested depending on how many ports you think this device would have. It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise. If a HUB site requires more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in equipment, IMO. Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge suppression is found in today's PoE's? 24VDC output would probably be our preference too. Are you saying the DC input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus? 1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us. Keep us posted. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark Nash To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason
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Hello Kevin, Starting to sound like this project is taking shape! Keep me posted and can we get an updated bullet point list of the feature set you are thinking? Maybe the output voltage should be just a simple pass-through from whatever redundant power supplies the end user selects for their PoE equipment? This may help future proof the PoE Controller from possible vendor changes like UBNT is considering. (e.g. 24VDC to 48VDC) Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 1:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch It'd have a web interface with SNMP support. Yeah, 12 port. Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Yes, better. At this time, we only use AC to power devices. Also I didn't see a web interface or cli on your list of features... Also also, number of ports should = 12 At $250, depending on features when it actually hit the street, we would take about 20. On 3/4/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether most WISPs would need a non-standard 24v or 48v out. At the last Ubiquiti conference they mentioned that their newest line of AirBeam APs will be running 48v. Obviously their current line is 24v, as is Trango and Tranzeo. Moto needs the GPS sync signal, so this wouldn't work for that. Also, would most people use DC or A/C to power the device? If DC, 24 or 48v? I talked it over with our electrical engineer, and he says the $450 number is what it would cost in the three-four quantity we had been discussing. In a batch of 100, the price would be closer to $250. Is that more appealing? Thanks! Kevin - Original Message - From: Brad Belton mailto:b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Hello Kevin, I'd be interested depending on how many ports you think this device would have. It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise. If a HUB site requires more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in equipment, IMO. Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge suppression is found in today's PoE's? 24VDC output would probably be our preference too. Are you saying the DC input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus? 1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us. Keep us posted. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Friday, February 25
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Kevin, On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a router or switch. If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 value). Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much. On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - *From:* Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
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The Digital Loggers Web Power Switch III is ~$120. On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Kevin, On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a router or switch. If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 value). Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much. On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark Nash To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping” feature they’ll have a winner. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
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We've had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port rack mount rebooter. Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what we've seen out of them the past several years. I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version available. Maybe this version is more reliable? I've also read that the DIN mount style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style. Maybe Kevin could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to save costs and development. While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neat..let's not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller. I wonder why UBNT doesn't design a PoE controller that would fit the need? Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their AirControl System management software. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Kevin, On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a router or switch. If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 value). Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much. On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18 http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
as an alternate to the ultimate box, YES!!! On 3/2/2011 7:52 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What about making a simple chassis for Ubnt POEs? On Mar 2, 2011 10:39 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com mailto:b...@belwave.com wrote: Hello Kevin, I'd be interested depending on how many ports you think this device would have. It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise. If a HUB site requires more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in equipment, IMO. Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge suppression is found in today's PoE's? 24VDC output would probably be our preference too. Are you saying the DC input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus? 1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us. Keep us posted. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM To: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18 http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
We use the inscape data switches/pdu/poe, they work very well can use AC or DC power. They are bit more then the target pricing (I get them for similar to $500). They do 12/18/24 and 802.3, but are limited to a 5 port only model. Regards Michael Baird - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2011 12:01:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch We’ve had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port rack mount rebooter. Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what we’ve seen out of them the past several years. I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version available. Maybe this version is more reliable? I’ve also read that the DIN mount style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style. Maybe Kevin could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to save costs and development. While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neat….let’s not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller. I wonder why UBNT doesn’t design a PoE controller that would fit the need? Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their AirControl System management software. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Kevin, On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a router or switch. If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 value). Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much. On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark Nash To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping” feature they’ll have a winner. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
PoE controller is good, ONLY ONLY ONLY to clean up the PoE mess. Kevin's question was about price and what we would pay. I would not pay $450 per site just to have a cleaner looking installation, especially when I still have to pay for another AC power controller. On 3/3/2011 9:01 AM, Brad Belton wrote: We've had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port rack mount rebooter. Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what we've seen out of them the past several years. I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version available. Maybe this version is more reliable? I've also read that the DIN mount style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style. Maybe Kevin could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to save costs and development. While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neatlet's not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller. I wonder why UBNT doesn't design a PoE controller that would fit the need? Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their AirControl System management software. Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mark Nash *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Kevin, On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a router or switch. If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 value). Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much. On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - *From:*Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net *To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:*Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
I don't use the Web Power Switch. I use the Ethernet Power Controller...more expensive. Quantity discounts to $229. On 3/3/2011 8:52 AM, Philip Dorr wrote: The Digital Loggers Web Power Switch III is ~$120. On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net wrote: Kevin, On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a router or switch. If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 value). Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much. On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark Nash To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping” feature they’ll have a winner. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
Michael, I'm not talking about the PoE controller itself being POWERED by AC or DC... I'm talking about the unit itself having a couple AC ports that can power a router switch as well as having PoE ports that can power all of the wireless devices at the site. On 3/3/2011 9:17 AM, m...@tc3net.com wrote: We use the inscape data switches/pdu/poe, they work very well can use AC or DC power. They are bit more then the target pricing (I get them for similar to $500). They do 12/18/24 and 802.3, but are limited to a 5 port only model. Regards Michael Baird - Original Message - From: Brad Beltonb...@belwave.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2011 12:01:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch We’ve had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port rack mount rebooter. Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what we’ve seen out of them the past several years. I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version available. Maybe this version is more reliable? I’ve also read that the DIN mount style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style. Maybe Kevin could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to save costs and development. While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neat….let’s not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller. I wonder why UBNT doesn’t design a PoE controller that would fit the need? Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their AirControl System management software. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Kevin, On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a router or switch. If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 value). Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much. On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark Nash To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping” feature they’ll have a winner. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
With the Din Rail unit, some cat5 jacks a rack mount box, some diodes and some time you can hack yourself the perfect box Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Michael, I'm not talking about the PoE controller itself being POWERED by AC or DC... I'm talking about the unit itself having a couple AC ports that can power a router switch as well as having PoE ports that can power all of the wireless devices at the site. On 3/3/2011 9:17 AM, m...@tc3net.com wrote: We use the inscape data switches/pdu/poe, they work very well can use AC or DC power. They are bit more then the target pricing (I get them for similar to $500). They do 12/18/24 and 802.3, but are limited to a 5 port only model. Regards Michael Baird - Original Message - From: Brad Beltonb...@belwave.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2011 12:01:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch We’ve had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port rack mount rebooter. Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what we’ve seen out of them the past several years. I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version available. Maybe this version is more reliable? I’ve also read that the DIN mount style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style. Maybe Kevin could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to save costs and development. While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neat….let’s not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller. I wonder why UBNT doesn’t design a PoE controller that would fit the need? Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their AirControl System management software. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Kevin, On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a router or switch. If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 value). Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much. On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark Nash To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping” feature they’ll have a winner. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Friday, February 25
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Agreed...but I have much better things to do with my time! Lol Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch With the Din Rail unit, some cat5 jacks a rack mount box, some diodes and some time you can hack yourself the perfect box Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Michael, I'm not talking about the PoE controller itself being POWERED by AC or DC... I'm talking about the unit itself having a couple AC ports that can power a router switch as well as having PoE ports that can power all of the wireless devices at the site. On 3/3/2011 9:17 AM, m...@tc3net.com wrote: We use the inscape data switches/pdu/poe, they work very well can use AC or DC power. They are bit more then the target pricing (I get them for similar to $500). They do 12/18/24 and 802.3, but are limited to a 5 port only model. Regards Michael Baird - Original Message - From: Brad Beltonb...@belwave.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2011 12:01:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch We’ve had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port rack mount rebooter. Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what we’ve seen out of them the past several years. I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version available. Maybe this version is more reliable? I’ve also read that the DIN mount style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style. Maybe Kevin could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to save costs and development. While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neat….let’s not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller. I wonder why UBNT doesn’t design a PoE controller that would fit the need? Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their AirControl System management software. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Kevin, On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a router or switch. If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 value). Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much. On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark Nash To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping” feature they’ll have a winner. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM To: WISPA General List
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Wow Gino... With respect (because I respect people who can do this)... I try to stay out of Radio Shack when it comes to my business. I used to have to do this, but not anymore. I have people who would love to do this, but I tell them to stay out of that store too...when it comes to the company's wireless solutions. I tend to use readily-available products, it's just my behavior. I have used a vented rack shelf before and some zip ties to get the PoE's to stay in place... It's a mess with the two-part PoE's where the power supply is not part of the PoE, but the UBNT PoE's that are all-in-one go zip-tie on nicer... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=120333021316ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT On 3/3/2011 9:38 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: With the Din Rail unit, some cat5 jacks a rack mount box, some diodes and some time you can hack yourself the perfect box Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Michael, I'm not talking about the PoE controller itself being POWERED by AC or DC... I'm talking about the unit itself having a couple AC ports that can power a router switch as well as having PoE ports that can power all of the wireless devices at the site. On 3/3/2011 9:17 AM, m...@tc3net.com wrote: We use the inscape data switches/pdu/poe, they work very well can use AC or DC power. They are bit more then the target pricing (I get them for similar to $500). They do 12/18/24 and 802.3, but are limited to a 5 port only model. Regards Michael Baird - Original Message - From: Brad Beltonb...@belwave.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2011 12:01:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch We’ve had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port rack mount rebooter. Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what we’ve seen out of them the past several years. I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version available. Maybe this version is more reliable? I’ve also read that the DIN mount style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style. Maybe Kevin could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to save costs and development. While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neat….let’s not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller. I wonder why UBNT doesn’t design a PoE controller that would fit the need? Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their AirControl System management software. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Kevin, On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a router or switch. If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 value). Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much. On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark Nash To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport
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Brad, A tip on the Loggers 8 port...there is a rechargeable battery inside that doesn't seem to last more than a year. Once it dies, you lose your config and if the device ever looses power, everything comes back in either all off state or all on state. I tossed one logger and then when it happened to a second, I decided to tinker. I got a replacement battery at batteries plus and it started working correctly again, saving my config after a power outage. I'm not sure what can be done about it except to put them on a maintenance schedule. Of course this was on the older devicesmaybe they've gone to flash memory now? Cameron On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: We’ve had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port rack mount rebooter. Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what we’ve seen out of them the past several years. I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version available. Maybe this version is more reliable? I’ve also read that the DIN mount style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style. Maybe Kevin could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to save costs and development. While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neat….let’s not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller. I wonder why UBNT doesn’t design a PoE controller that would fit the need? Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their AirControl System management software. Best, Brad *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mark Nash *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Kevin, On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a router or switch. If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 value). Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much. On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - *From:* Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping” feature they’ll have a winner. Best, Brad *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason
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Same here, thetas why i don do it and use CTM units mostly Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Mar 3, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Wow Gino... With respect (because I respect people who can do this)... I try to stay out of Radio Shack when it comes to my business. I used to have to do this, but not anymore. I have people who would love to do this, but I tell them to stay out of that store too...when it comes to the company's wireless solutions. I tend to use readily-available products, it's just my behavior. I have used a vented rack shelf before and some zip ties to get the PoE's to stay in place... It's a mess with the two-part PoE's where the power supply is not part of the PoE, but the UBNT PoE's that are all-in-one go zip-tie on nicer... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=120333021316ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT On 3/3/2011 9:38 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: With the Din Rail unit, some cat5 jacks a rack mount box, some diodes and some time you can hack yourself the perfect box Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Michael, I'm not talking about the PoE controller itself being POWERED by AC or DC... I'm talking about the unit itself having a couple AC ports that can power a router switch as well as having PoE ports that can power all of the wireless devices at the site. On 3/3/2011 9:17 AM, m...@tc3net.com wrote: We use the inscape data switches/pdu/poe, they work very well can use AC or DC power. They are bit more then the target pricing (I get them for similar to $500). They do 12/18/24 and 802.3, but are limited to a 5 port only model. Regards Michael Baird - Original Message - From: Brad Beltonb...@belwave.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2011 12:01:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch We’ve had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port rack mount rebooter. Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what we’ve seen out of them the past several years. I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version available. Maybe this version is more reliable? I’ve also read that the DIN mount style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style. Maybe Kevin could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to save costs and development. While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neat….let’s not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller. I wonder why UBNT doesn’t design a PoE controller that would fit the need? Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their AirControl System management software. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Kevin, On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a router or switch. If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 value). Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much. On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark Nash To: WISPA General List
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Hey Cameron, Yah, I remember this topic coming up before, but the failures we've had (that come quickly to mind) are no access to the unit at all. Does the battery issue prevent the unit from working even when power is restored? Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Brad, A tip on the Loggers 8 port...there is a rechargeable battery inside that doesn't seem to last more than a year. Once it dies, you lose your config and if the device ever looses power, everything comes back in either all off state or all on state. I tossed one logger and then when it happened to a second, I decided to tinker. I got a replacement battery at batteries plus and it started working correctly again, saving my config after a power outage. I'm not sure what can be done about it except to put them on a maintenance schedule. Of course this was on the older devicesmaybe they've gone to flash memory now? Cameron On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: We've had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port rack mount rebooter. Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what we've seen out of them the past several years. I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version available. Maybe this version is more reliable? I've also read that the DIN mount style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style. Maybe Kevin could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to save costs and development. While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neat..let's not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller. I wonder why UBNT doesn't design a PoE controller that would fit the need? Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their AirControl System management software. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Kevin, On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a router or switch. If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 value). Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much. On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http
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If it looses it's ip then yes. Did you try the default ip? I always kept an address block in the DL default range on my routers just in case. Cameron On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Hey Cameron, Yah, I remember this topic coming up before, but the failures we’ve had (that come quickly to mind) are no access to the unit at all. Does the battery issue prevent the unit from working even when power is restored? Brad *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 11:54 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Brad, A tip on the Loggers 8 port...there is a rechargeable battery inside that doesn't seem to last more than a year. Once it dies, you lose your config and if the device ever looses power, everything comes back in either all off state or all on state. I tossed one logger and then when it happened to a second, I decided to tinker. I got a replacement battery at batteries plus and it started working correctly again, saving my config after a power outage. I'm not sure what can be done about it except to put them on a maintenance schedule. Of course this was on the older devicesmaybe they've gone to flash memory now? Cameron On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: We’ve had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port rack mount rebooter. Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what we’ve seen out of them the past several years. I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version available. Maybe this version is more reliable? I’ve also read that the DIN mount style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style. Maybe Kevin could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to save costs and development. While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neat….let’s not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller. I wonder why UBNT doesn’t design a PoE controller that would fit the need? Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their AirControl System management software. Best, Brad *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mark Nash *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Kevin, On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a router or switch. If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 value). Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much. On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - *From:* Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping” feature they’ll have a winner. Best, Brad *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put
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I just called Digital Loggers. The guy on the phone (his name is Thai) told me that there may have been a problem on the older units but the newer ones did not have that problem. I asked him what identifies older and newer units. He said the newer units have the LCD screen. For those of you who have had problems with these, can you confirm this one way or another? On 3/3/2011 10:02 AM, Brad Belton wrote: Hey Cameron, Yah, I remember this topic coming up before, but the failures we've had (that come quickly to mind) are no access to the unit at all. Does the battery issue prevent the unit from working even when power is restored? Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 11:54 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Brad, A tip on the Loggers 8 port...there is a rechargeable battery inside that doesn't seem to last more than a year. Once it dies, you lose your config and if the device ever looses power, everything comes back in either all off state or all on state. I tossed one logger and then when it happened to a second, I decided to tinker. I got a replacement battery at batteries plus and it started working correctly again, saving my config after a power outage. I'm not sure what can be done about it except to put them on a maintenance schedule. Of course this was on the older devicesmaybe they've gone to flash memory now? Cameron On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com mailto:b...@belwave.com wrote: We've had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port rack mount rebooter. Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what we've seen out of them the past several years. I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version available. Maybe this version is more reliable? I've also read that the DIN mount style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style. Maybe Kevin could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to save costs and development. While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neatlet's not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller. I wonder why UBNT doesn't design a PoE controller that would fit the need? Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their AirControl System management software. Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mark Nash *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Kevin, On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a router or switch. If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 value). Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much. On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - *From:*Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net *To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:*Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner
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Yep, even tried the serial port etc.nada.nothing. I'm willing to try the new improved version with the LCD screen, but if one of those fails pre-maturely than we're done with them for good. Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch If it looses it's ip then yes. Did you try the default ip? I always kept an address block in the DL default range on my routers just in case. Cameron On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Hey Cameron, Yah, I remember this topic coming up before, but the failures we've had (that come quickly to mind) are no access to the unit at all. Does the battery issue prevent the unit from working even when power is restored? Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Brad, A tip on the Loggers 8 port...there is a rechargeable battery inside that doesn't seem to last more than a year. Once it dies, you lose your config and if the device ever looses power, everything comes back in either all off state or all on state. I tossed one logger and then when it happened to a second, I decided to tinker. I got a replacement battery at batteries plus and it started working correctly again, saving my config after a power outage. I'm not sure what can be done about it except to put them on a maintenance schedule. Of course this was on the older devicesmaybe they've gone to flash memory now? Cameron On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: We've had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port rack mount rebooter. Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what we've seen out of them the past several years. I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version available. Maybe this version is more reliable? I've also read that the DIN mount style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style. Maybe Kevin could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to save costs and development. While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neat..let's not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller. I wonder why UBNT doesn't design a PoE controller that would fit the need? Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their AirControl System management software. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Kevin, On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a router or switch. If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 value). Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much. On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power
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I don't reccomend that! Of the 3 I've put in the field, I've had one already fail on me. Panoptic makes one as well, but I had to power cycle a POE port yesterday when one froze up (or overheated?). Anyone had good luck with any other 802.3af converters? Randy On 2/25/2011 7:28 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote: You could take a regular PoE switch and use Ubiquiti's Instant 802.3af converters. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby| InfoWest, Inc | www.infowest.com Vice President | 435-674-0165 x 2010 | facebook.com/infowest WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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One other option to consider: http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=2products_id=34 The Sitemonitor-Controlled SyncInjector is designed to add sync and power to Canopy 100 AP's, but doesn't have to be used that way. It can be used to power (and control) other POE devices - reverse your 4/5 7/8 pairs. It even lets you monitor the power usage (milliamps). Be sure your power supply is big enough for 4 devices. + Remote management (SNMP) + Inexpensive (compared to some other midspan devices) + Daisy-chainable - easy to add additional ports - Requires a separate sitemonitor base - Not rack or DIN rail mountable - Not a switch - Single power supply On 2/26/2011 9:04 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Jason Baileyj284...@yahoo.com wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason Not UBNT, but RADWIN has a product called BDU (Base Distribution Unit) for up to 8 radios. Fully SNMP managed... unfortunately it's 48V (can be passive or 802.3af). But you can show them to UBTN's Ben Moore and say that's what you want... Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby| InfoWest, Inc | www.infowest.com Vice President | 435-674-0165 x 2010 | facebook.com/infowest WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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One more find. This one looks promising (but expensive): http://www.korenix-usa.com/prod/46/JetNet_4706 L-Com sells them. Dual power supply inputs, 802.3af or non-standard 24v (software selectable), web management/telnet/snmp management. On 3/2/2011 10:40 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: One other option to consider: http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=2products_id=34 The Sitemonitor-Controlled SyncInjector is designed to add sync and power to Canopy 100 AP's, but doesn't have to be used that way. It can be used to power (and control) other POE devices - reverse your 4/5 7/8 pairs. It even lets you monitor the power usage (milliamps). Be sure your power supply is big enough for 4 devices. + Remote management (SNMP) + Inexpensive (compared to some other midspan devices) + Daisy-chainable - easy to add additional ports - Requires a separate sitemonitor base - Not rack or DIN rail mountable - Not a switch - Single power supply On 2/26/2011 9:04 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Jason Baileyj284...@yahoo.com wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason Not UBNT, but RADWIN has a product called BDU (Base Distribution Unit) for up to 8 radios. Fully SNMP managed... unfortunately it's 48V (can be passive or 802.3af). But you can show them to UBTN's Ben Moore and say that's what you want... Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby| InfoWest, Inc | www.infowest.com Vice President | 435-674-0165 x 2010 | facebook.com/infowest WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
But of course this is a switch. On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: One more find. This one looks promising (but expensive): http://www.korenix-usa.com/prod/46/JetNet_4706 L-Com sells them. Dual power supply inputs, 802.3af or non-standard 24v (software selectable), web management/telnet/snmp management. On 3/2/2011 10:40 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: One other option to consider: http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=2products_id=34 The Sitemonitor-Controlled SyncInjector is designed to add sync and power to Canopy 100 AP's, but doesn't have to be used that way. It can be used to power (and control) other POE devices - reverse your 4/5 7/8 pairs. It even lets you monitor the power usage (milliamps). Be sure your power supply is big enough for 4 devices. + Remote management (SNMP) + Inexpensive (compared to some other midspan devices) + Daisy-chainable - easy to add additional ports - Requires a separate sitemonitor base - Not rack or DIN rail mountable - Not a switch - Single power supply On 2/26/2011 9:04 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Jason Baileyj284...@yahoo.com wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason Not UBNT, but RADWIN has a product called BDU (Base Distribution Unit) for up to 8 radios. Fully SNMP managed... unfortunately it's 48V (can be passive or 802.3af). But you can show them to UBTN's Ben Moore and say that's what you want... Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby| InfoWest, Inc | www.infowest.com Vice President | 435-674-0165 x 2010 | facebook.com/infowest WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark Nash To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
My thoughts... $450 is kind of steep to do simple POE and cleanliness. But for rebooting as well, that's another story. Then there is the reliability factor - on a brand new product that's going to be hard. I pay $0 for messy POEs and $100 for an 8 outlet reboot box. Another $350 is kind of rough. I would have no problem paying $200 for it. Doubling that makes me really shy away. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.netwrote: So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - *From:* Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping” feature they’ll have a winner. Best, Brad *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
Hello Kevin, I'd be interested depending on how many ports you think this device would have. It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise. If a HUB site requires more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in equipment, IMO. Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge suppression is found in today's PoE's? 24VDC output would probably be our preference too. Are you saying the DC input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus? 1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us. Keep us posted. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18 http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
What about making a simple chassis for Ubnt POEs? On Mar 2, 2011 10:39 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Hello Kevin, I'd be interested depending on how many ports you think this device would have. It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise. If a HUB site requires more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in equipment, IMO. Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge suppression is found in today's PoE's? 24VDC output would probably be our preference too. Are you saying the DC input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus? 1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us. Keep us posted. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18 http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
Doesn't have any mangt capabilities, nor dual power input... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 1:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Several years ago Proxim made a wireless system called Harmony. Their midspan POE (model 7562) is the device that fits what the OP was looking for. They are around Ebay and some of the surplus dealers. I can't remember the configuration but I think it was 6 ports. The Power output was the normal 4/5 7/8 and was, I think 12-18 volts. http://www4.shopping.com/Proxim-Harmony-power-system/info http://cgi.ebay.com/Proxim-Harmony-Proxim-Harmony-7562-/280425765945?pt= LH_D efaultDomain_0hash=item414aad9c39 Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles N Wyble Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 3:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/28/2011 09:52 AM, Brad Belton wrote: And here I am thinking all this time that I was the only one who would appreciate a device like this! I spoke with someone at Streakwave a few months ago about this and basically got a blank stare response. He had no idea why I would want such a thing..sigh So, to any manufacturers up to the task, here is (IMO) a starting point of a bullet point list for the PoE device I'm envisioning: (1) Multi-port models. (e.g. 6, 12 24 ports) Of course. (2) SNMP Web Interface Management with ACL firewall. Explain more? What do you want to query via SNMP? Write via SNMP? Why does it need an ACL system? Why not just use your existing network security system to keep people out? You do have a dedicated infrastructure management network right? (3) Redundant power supplies with separate power cords. (e.g. UPS Blue UPS Red) Of course. How much power would need to come in? Would the power supplies be hot swappable? (4) Dip switch DC polarity selectable per port. (e.g. Trango/Canopy vs. UBNT, etc.) (5) Dip switch 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC passive and standard 802.3af selectable per port. Hmmm. Why not just do this via software interface (like cisco poe switch for example). That would make the most sense to me. (6) 1U shallow depth form factor. Naturally (7) Auto-Ping per port. What does this mean? Is this like an iboot where if it doesn't receive a heartbeat in specified time period it cycles power on the port? Of course you would be able to disable this when doing maintenance that is a longer outage (like say flashing firmware or something) (8) LED Status indicators per port. Why? Just give it via SNMP/web interface. (Guess I'm just so used to being a remote support person that I never expect to have local access. Have managed 10s of thousands of remote systems that I never saw). (9) Optional DC power source model for solar sites? DC power is a requirement I think. On every model. (10) Optional Trango Apex/Orion GigE model? Don't know what this is. Maybe others on the list will? What else would be beneficial in the design of this PoE controller? Think you about covered it. One thinks Cisco would do something like this and make it fairly dumb/cheap. They already meet all your above requirements (well don't know about redundant power supply on 1U but I imagine that could easily be done). From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNbBdHAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtz2UP/1UBbIBjHfM7T5Z0tzO2GtJY 27ztWSH8X826ii+0Q7msSBJxASHFP3wlQFQKP1KiHy/W4GxhJDXeFnFiZKeV+IFp GKsID3Xn7Og83ttVIMRKzX8DMhLwc31GoPkeEh7qix/a1JUACHgH9P9yZSOKCCmZ wD1msdvgop07Q6USTMiiMxe0OCbzzkQbIc0ERmdNjclvlZkJ0Ya0feLeEeag5LoQ 53wolRkpY6MA0lt0VH+3wXb1/mbQxklL9ezKDhmn9s/wwte8CqCL795aBfkVI4Z/ oZuw+00FI5gJGQpQti04MoO0lou6N1N7MEVsFMc6f895rscGXNmjViWTX6QKgplL a7ncy9dQpbc7XQOJSUrSHn5S4O3K/vgpnJ+pK+3TiPTd9YVhOOGUIMA3vwz5BeQ/ gGi8mWrtvaffAeEptQObfx1yf29Vk8qJbpwpXGo1eY+sE4rqeuBeYzPt06lyuSyc fU27hnc52xYulcTVeHXGPFBw+a97m+xbw6Rd7wqHTXEs8WWTFErUQ5+zQdYIMilG u8v95euKSPT7zicvIZubxjLgPwWTQIgSc2/kFkxDW5Z5j3l/JM/7MW72h8WfVN4w AjhVTJbP75VpkazJeLTfsBH8mdGyE21yY8fi35u7U9yh1jyy+OSvOtoeUfssG8CC 8587g27Ezu02NaT2E1cJ =r5jL -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
Wasn't there a German guy at MUM that made something like this? On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:30 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Doesn't have any mangt capabilities, nor dual power input... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 1:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Several years ago Proxim made a wireless system called Harmony. Their midspan POE (model 7562) is the device that fits what the OP was looking for. They are around Ebay and some of the surplus dealers. I can't remember the configuration but I think it was 6 ports. The Power output was the normal 4/5 7/8 and was, I think 12-18 volts. http://www4.shopping.com/Proxim-Harmony-power-system/info http://cgi.ebay.com/Proxim-Harmony-Proxim-Harmony-7562-/280425765945?pt= LH_D efaultDomain_0hash=item414aad9c39 Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles N Wyble Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 3:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/28/2011 09:52 AM, Brad Belton wrote: And here I am thinking all this time that I was the only one who would appreciate a device like this! I spoke with someone at Streakwave a few months ago about this and basically got a blank stare response. He had no idea why I would want such a thing..sigh So, to any manufacturers up to the task, here is (IMO) a starting point of a bullet point list for the PoE device I'm envisioning: (1) Multi-port models. (e.g. 6, 12 24 ports) Of course. (2) SNMP Web Interface Management with ACL firewall. Explain more? What do you want to query via SNMP? Write via SNMP? Why does it need an ACL system? Why not just use your existing network security system to keep people out? You do have a dedicated infrastructure management network right? (3) Redundant power supplies with separate power cords. (e.g. UPS Blue UPS Red) Of course. How much power would need to come in? Would the power supplies be hot swappable? (4) Dip switch DC polarity selectable per port. (e.g. Trango/Canopy vs. UBNT, etc.) (5) Dip switch 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC passive and standard 802.3af selectable per port. Hmmm. Why not just do this via software interface (like cisco poe switch for example). That would make the most sense to me. (6) 1U shallow depth form factor. Naturally (7) Auto-Ping per port. What does this mean? Is this like an iboot where if it doesn't receive a heartbeat in specified time period it cycles power on the port? Of course you would be able to disable this when doing maintenance that is a longer outage (like say flashing firmware or something) (8) LED Status indicators per port. Why? Just give it via SNMP/web interface. (Guess I'm just so used to being a remote support person that I never expect to have local access. Have managed 10s of thousands of remote systems that I never saw). (9) Optional DC power source model for solar sites? DC power is a requirement I think. On every model. (10) Optional Trango Apex/Orion GigE model? Don't know what this is. Maybe others on the list will? What else would be beneficial in the design of this PoE controller? Think you about covered it. One thinks Cisco would do something like this and make it fairly dumb/cheap. They already meet all your above requirements (well don't know about redundant power supply on 1U but I imagine that could easily be done). From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNbBdHAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtz2UP/1UBbIBjHfM7T5Z0tzO2GtJY 27ztWSH8X826ii+0Q7msSBJxASHFP3wlQFQKP1KiHy/W4GxhJDXeFnFiZKeV+IFp GKsID3Xn7Og83ttVIMRKzX8DMhLwc31GoPkeEh7qix/a1JUACHgH9P9yZSOKCCmZ wD1msdvgop07Q6USTMiiMxe0OCbzzkQbIc0ERmdNjclvlZkJ0Ya0feLeEeag5LoQ 53wolRkpY6MA0lt0VH+3wXb1/mbQxklL9ezKDhmn9s/wwte8CqCL795aBfkVI4Z/ oZuw+00FI5gJGQpQti04MoO0lou6N1N7MEVsFMc6f895rscGXNmjViWTX6QKgplL a7ncy9dQpbc7XQOJSUrSHn5S4O3K/vgpnJ+pK+3TiPTd9YVhOOGUIMA3vwz5BeQ/ gGi8mWrtvaffAeEptQObfx1yf29Vk8qJbpwpXGo1eY+sE4rqeuBeYzPt06lyuSyc fU27hnc52xYulcTVeHXGPFBw+a97m+xbw6Rd7wqHTXEs8WWTFErUQ5+zQdYIMilG u8v95euKSPT7zicvIZubxjLgPwWTQIgSc2/kFkxDW5Z5j3l/JM/7MW72h8WfVN4w AjhVTJbP75VpkazJeLTfsBH8mdGyE21yY8fi35u7U9yh1jyy+OSvOtoeUfssG8CC 8587g27Ezu02NaT2E1cJ =r5jL -END PGP SIGNATURE
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
Yeah, the restless powerbox Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 11:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Wasn't there a German guy at MUM that made something like this? On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:30 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Doesn't have any mangt capabilities, nor dual power input... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 1:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Several years ago Proxim made a wireless system called Harmony. Their midspan POE (model 7562) is the device that fits what the OP was looking for. They are around Ebay and some of the surplus dealers. I can't remember the configuration but I think it was 6 ports. The Power output was the normal 4/5 7/8 and was, I think 12-18 volts. http://www4.shopping.com/Proxim-Harmony-power-system/info http://cgi.ebay.com/Proxim-Harmony-Proxim-Harmony-7562-/280425765945?pt= LH_D efaultDomain_0hash=item414aad9c39 Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles N Wyble Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 3:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/28/2011 09:52 AM, Brad Belton wrote: And here I am thinking all this time that I was the only one who would appreciate a device like this! I spoke with someone at Streakwave a few months ago about this and basically got a blank stare response. He had no idea why I would want such a thing..sigh So, to any manufacturers up to the task, here is (IMO) a starting point of a bullet point list for the PoE device I'm envisioning: (1) Multi-port models. (e.g. 6, 12 24 ports) Of course. (2) SNMP Web Interface Management with ACL firewall. Explain more? What do you want to query via SNMP? Write via SNMP? Why does it need an ACL system? Why not just use your existing network security system to keep people out? You do have a dedicated infrastructure management network right? (3) Redundant power supplies with separate power cords. (e.g. UPS Blue UPS Red) Of course. How much power would need to come in? Would the power supplies be hot swappable? (4) Dip switch DC polarity selectable per port. (e.g. Trango/Canopy vs. UBNT, etc.) (5) Dip switch 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC passive and standard 802.3af selectable per port. Hmmm. Why not just do this via software interface (like cisco poe switch for example). That would make the most sense to me. (6) 1U shallow depth form factor. Naturally (7) Auto-Ping per port. What does this mean? Is this like an iboot where if it doesn't receive a heartbeat in specified time period it cycles power on the port? Of course you would be able to disable this when doing maintenance that is a longer outage (like say flashing firmware or something) (8) LED Status indicators per port. Why? Just give it via SNMP/web interface. (Guess I'm just so used to being a remote support person that I never expect to have local access. Have managed 10s of thousands of remote systems that I never saw). (9) Optional DC power source model for solar sites? DC power is a requirement I think. On every model. (10) Optional Trango Apex/Orion GigE model? Don't know what this is. Maybe others on the list will? What else would be beneficial in the design of this PoE controller? Think you about covered it. One thinks Cisco would do something like this and make it fairly dumb/cheap. They already meet all your above requirements (well don't know about redundant power supply on 1U but I imagine that could easily be done). From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNbBdHAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtz2UP/1UBbIBjHfM7T5Z0tzO2GtJY 27ztWSH8X826ii+0Q7msSBJxASHFP3wlQFQKP1KiHy/W4GxhJDXeFnFiZKeV+IFp GKsID3Xn7Og83ttVIMRKzX8DMhLwc31GoPkeEh7qix/a1JUACHgH9P9yZSOKCCmZ wD1msdvgop07Q6USTMiiMxe0OCbzzkQbIc0ERmdNjclvlZkJ0Ya0feLeEeag5LoQ 53wolRkpY6MA0lt0VH+3wXb1/mbQxklL9ezKDhmn9s/wwte8CqCL795aBfkVI4Z/ oZuw+00FI5gJGQpQti04MoO0lou6N1N7MEVsFMc6f895rscGXNmjViWTX6QKgplL a7ncy9dQpbc7XQOJSUrSHn5S4O3K/vgpnJ+pK+3TiPTd9YVhOOGUIMA3vwz5BeQ/ gGi8mWrtvaffAeEptQObfx1yf29Vk8qJbpwpXGo1eY+sE4rqeuBeYzPt06lyuSyc fU27hnc52xYulcTVeHXGPFBw+a97m+xbw6Rd7wqHTXEs8WWTFErUQ5
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
That was it...here is a link. It looks like it does what everyone wants AND is a UPS. Maybe they would make one without the UPS if there was enough call? Cameron On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Yeah, the restless powerbox Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum *Sent:* Tuesday, March 01, 2011 11:24 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Wasn't there a German guy at MUM that made something like this? On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:30 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Doesn't have any mangt capabilities, nor dual power input... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 1:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Several years ago Proxim made a wireless system called Harmony. Their midspan POE (model 7562) is the device that fits what the OP was looking for. They are around Ebay and some of the surplus dealers. I can't remember the configuration but I think it was 6 ports. The Power output was the normal 4/5 7/8 and was, I think 12-18 volts. http://www4.shopping.com/Proxim-Harmony-power-system/info http://cgi.ebay.com/Proxim-Harmony-Proxim-Harmony-7562-/280425765945?pt= LH_D efaultDomain_0hash=item414aad9c39 Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles N Wyble Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 3:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/28/2011 09:52 AM, Brad Belton wrote: And here I am thinking all this time that I was the only one who would appreciate a device like this! I spoke with someone at Streakwave a few months ago about this and basically got a blank stare response. He had no idea why I would want such a thing..sigh So, to any manufacturers up to the task, here is (IMO) a starting point of a bullet point list for the PoE device I'm envisioning: (1) Multi-port models. (e.g. 6, 12 24 ports) Of course. (2) SNMP Web Interface Management with ACL firewall. Explain more? What do you want to query via SNMP? Write via SNMP? Why does it need an ACL system? Why not just use your existing network security system to keep people out? You do have a dedicated infrastructure management network right? (3) Redundant power supplies with separate power cords. (e.g. UPS Blue UPS Red) Of course. How much power would need to come in? Would the power supplies be hot swappable? (4) Dip switch DC polarity selectable per port. (e.g. Trango/Canopy vs. UBNT, etc.) (5) Dip switch 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC passive and standard 802.3af selectable per port. Hmmm. Why not just do this via software interface (like cisco poe switch for example). That would make the most sense to me. (6) 1U shallow depth form factor. Naturally (7) Auto-Ping per port. What does this mean? Is this like an iboot where if it doesn't receive a heartbeat in specified time period it cycles power on the port? Of course you would be able to disable this when doing maintenance that is a longer outage (like say flashing firmware or something) (8) LED Status indicators per port. Why? Just give it via SNMP/web interface. (Guess I'm just so used to being a remote support person that I never expect to have local access. Have managed 10s of thousands of remote systems that I never saw). (9) Optional DC power source model for solar sites? DC power is a requirement I think. On every model. (10) Optional Trango Apex/Orion GigE model? Don't know what this is. Maybe others on the list will? What else would be beneficial in the design of this PoE controller? Think you about covered it. One thinks Cisco would do something like this and make it fairly dumb/cheap. They already meet all your above requirements (well don't know about redundant power supply on 1U but I imagine that could easily be done). From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNbBdHAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtz2UP/1UBbIBjHfM7T5Z0tzO2GtJY 27ztWSH8X826ii+0Q7msSBJxASHFP3wlQFQKP1KiHy/W4GxhJDXeFnFiZKeV+IFp GKsID3Xn7Og83ttVIMRKzX8DMhLwc31GoPkeEh7qix/a1JUACHgH9P9yZSOKCCmZ
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
And here I am thinking all this time that I was the only one who would appreciate a device like this! I spoke with someone at Streakwave a few months ago about this and basically got a blank stare response. He had no idea why I would want such a thing..sigh So, to any manufacturers up to the task, here is (IMO) a starting point of a bullet point list for the PoE device I'm envisioning: (1) Multi-port models. (e.g. 6, 12 24 ports) (2) SNMP Web Interface Management with ACL firewall. (3) Redundant power supplies with separate power cords. (e.g. UPS Blue UPS Red) (4) Dip switch DC polarity selectable per port. (e.g. Trango/Canopy vs. UBNT, etc.) (5) Dip switch 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC passive and standard 802.3af selectable per port. (6) 1U shallow depth form factor. (7) Auto-Ping per port. (8) LED Status indicators per port. (9) Optional DC power source model for solar sites? (10) Optional Trango Apex/Orion GigE model? What else would be beneficial in the design of this PoE controller? Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18 http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
LOL the guys at Streakwave or most anywhere else don't have to open up the box and have things fall on them (I'm joking of course...it's been a long time since I was on that tight of a budget. But the point remains...the PoE's create a TON of clutter in a rack/box/enclosure/shed/whatever... On 2/28/2011 9:52 AM, Brad Belton wrote: And here I am thinking all this time that I was the only one who would appreciate a device like this! I spoke with someone at Streakwave a few months ago about this and basically got a blank stare response. He had no idea why I would want such a thingsigh So, to any manufacturers up to the task, here is (IMO) a starting point of a bullet point list for the PoE device I'm envisioning: (1) Multi-port models. (e.g. 6, 12 24 ports) (2) SNMP Web Interface Management with ACL firewall. (3) Redundant power supplies with separate power cords. (e.g. UPS Blue UPS Red) (4) Dip switch DC polarity selectable per port. (e.g. Trango/Canopy vs. UBNT, etc.) (5) Dip switch 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC passive and standard 802.3af selectable per port. (6) 1U shallow depth form factor. (7) Auto-Ping per port. (8) LED Status indicators per port. (9) Optional DC power source model for solar sites? (10) Optional Trango Apex/Orion GigE model? What else would be beneficial in the design of this PoE controller? Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mark Nash *Sent:* Monday, February 28, 2011 10:53 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
The problem becomes that something with all those options are going to be more expensive than 6,12,24 PoE's. The market is demanding something cheap, and it would be hard to do that cheaply without quantity. Regards, Chuck On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: And here I am thinking all this time that I was the only one who would appreciate a device like this! I spoke with someone at Streakwave a few months ago about this and basically got a blank stare response. He had no idea why I would want such a thing….sigh So, to any manufacturers up to the task, here is (IMO) a starting point of a bullet point list for the PoE device I’m envisioning: (1) Multi-port models. (e.g. 6, 12 24 ports) (2) SNMP Web Interface Management with ACL firewall. (3) Redundant power supplies with separate power cords. (e.g. UPS “Blue” UPS “Red”) (4) Dip switch DC polarity selectable per port. (e.g. Trango/Canopy vs. UBNT, etc.) (5) Dip switch 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC passive and standard 802.3af selectable per port. (6) 1U shallow depth form factor. (7) Auto-Ping per port. (8) LED Status indicators per port. (9) Optional DC power source model for solar sites? (10) Optional Trango Apex/Orion GigE model? What else would be beneficial in the design of this PoE controller? Best, Brad *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mark Nash *Sent:* Monday, February 28, 2011 10:53 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping” feature they’ll have a winner. Best, Brad *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/28/2011 09:52 AM, Brad Belton wrote: And here I am thinking all this time that I was the only one who would appreciate a device like this! I spoke with someone at Streakwave a few months ago about this and basically got a blank stare response. He had no idea why I would want such a thing..sigh So, to any manufacturers up to the task, here is (IMO) a starting point of a bullet point list for the PoE device I'm envisioning: (1) Multi-port models. (e.g. 6, 12 24 ports) Of course. (2) SNMP Web Interface Management with ACL firewall. Explain more? What do you want to query via SNMP? Write via SNMP? Why does it need an ACL system? Why not just use your existing network security system to keep people out? You do have a dedicated infrastructure management network right? (3) Redundant power supplies with separate power cords. (e.g. UPS Blue UPS Red) Of course. How much power would need to come in? Would the power supplies be hot swappable? (4) Dip switch DC polarity selectable per port. (e.g. Trango/Canopy vs. UBNT, etc.) (5) Dip switch 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC passive and standard 802.3af selectable per port. Hmmm. Why not just do this via software interface (like cisco poe switch for example). That would make the most sense to me. (6) 1U shallow depth form factor. Naturally (7) Auto-Ping per port. What does this mean? Is this like an iboot where if it doesn't receive a heartbeat in specified time period it cycles power on the port? Of course you would be able to disable this when doing maintenance that is a longer outage (like say flashing firmware or something) (8) LED Status indicators per port. Why? Just give it via SNMP/web interface. (Guess I'm just so used to being a remote support person that I never expect to have local access. Have managed 10s of thousands of remote systems that I never saw). (9) Optional DC power source model for solar sites? DC power is a requirement I think. On every model. (10) Optional Trango Apex/Orion GigE model? Don't know what this is. Maybe others on the list will? What else would be beneficial in the design of this PoE controller? Think you about covered it. One thinks Cisco would do something like this and make it fairly dumb/cheap. They already meet all your above requirements (well don't know about redundant power supply on 1U but I imagine that could easily be done). From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNbBdHAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtz2UP/1UBbIBjHfM7T5Z0tzO2GtJY 27ztWSH8X826ii+0Q7msSBJxASHFP3wlQFQKP1KiHy/W4GxhJDXeFnFiZKeV+IFp GKsID3Xn7Og83ttVIMRKzX8DMhLwc31GoPkeEh7qix/a1JUACHgH9P9yZSOKCCmZ wD1msdvgop07Q6USTMiiMxe0OCbzzkQbIc0ERmdNjclvlZkJ0Ya0feLeEeag5LoQ 53wolRkpY6MA0lt0VH+3wXb1/mbQxklL9ezKDhmn9s/wwte8CqCL795aBfkVI4Z/ oZuw+00FI5gJGQpQti04MoO0lou6N1N7MEVsFMc6f895rscGXNmjViWTX6QKgplL a7ncy9dQpbc7XQOJSUrSHn5S4O3K/vgpnJ+pK+3TiPTd9YVhOOGUIMA3vwz5BeQ/ gGi8mWrtvaffAeEptQObfx1yf29Vk8qJbpwpXGo1eY+sE4rqeuBeYzPt06lyuSyc fU27hnc52xYulcTVeHXGPFBw+a97m+xbw6Rd7wqHTXEs8WWTFErUQ5+zQdYIMilG u8v95euKSPT7zicvIZubxjLgPwWTQIgSc2/kFkxDW5Z5j3l/JM/7MW72h8WfVN4w AjhVTJbP75VpkazJeLTfsBH8mdGyE21yY8fi35u7U9yh1jyy+OSvOtoeUfssG8CC 8587g27Ezu02NaT2E1cJ =r5jL -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
Exactly. I think those of that want a device like this clearly understand it will cost more than 24 PoEs! I doubt 24 PoEs will give you power redundancy, Auto-Ping, etc, etc all the features we are looking for. Granted some of the options I listed are not needed for my particular needs or possibly the next guy either, but I wanted to throw a few extra ideas into the pot just to see if there is interest. Depending on the feature set that is ultimately offered I would be willing to pay in the $500 range. Add up the costs of a remote reboot, power supplies, etc, etc to match this proposed PoE Controller and then consider the pros vs. cons of each method. I would also hesitate to assert the market is demanding something cheap. Many of us here are well beyond the cheaper is better philosophy and are able/willing to pay more for a better product. Adding a $500 or even $1000 to the overall cost of a HUB site for these features from a high quality device is well within reason, IMO. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 1:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch The problem becomes that something with all those options are going to be more expensive than 6,12,24 PoE's. The market is demanding something cheap, and it would be hard to do that cheaply without quantity. Regards, Chuck On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: And here I am thinking all this time that I was the only one who would appreciate a device like this! I spoke with someone at Streakwave a few months ago about this and basically got a blank stare response. He had no idea why I would want such a thing..sigh So, to any manufacturers up to the task, here is (IMO) a starting point of a bullet point list for the PoE device I'm envisioning: (1) Multi-port models. (e.g. 6, 12 24 ports) (2) SNMP Web Interface Management with ACL firewall. (3) Redundant power supplies with separate power cords. (e.g. UPS Blue UPS Red) (4) Dip switch DC polarity selectable per port. (e.g. Trango/Canopy vs. UBNT, etc.) (5) Dip switch 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC passive and standard 802.3af selectable per port. (6) 1U shallow depth form factor. (7) Auto-Ping per port. (8) LED Status indicators per port. (9) Optional DC power source model for solar sites? (10) Optional Trango Apex/Orion GigE model? What else would be beneficial in the design of this PoE controller? Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18 http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
Ill take ten ;) Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 08:53:09 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
The expensive bit may not be that great of an argument. We're already spending $$$ on other equipment to accomplish the same thing. Add 3 or 4 standard 115V outlets (to power switches and routers - non-PoE devices) and the rest should be PoE. All remotely controlled off on, all with individual ping watchdogs. Make it a 2U, would likely have to. On 2/28/2011 1:44 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/28/2011 09:52 AM, Brad Belton wrote: And here I am thinking all this time that I was the only one who would appreciate a device like this! I spoke with someone at Streakwave a few months ago about this and basically got a blank stare response. He had no idea why I would want such a thing..sigh So, to any manufacturers up to the task, here is (IMO) a starting point of a bullet point list for the PoE device I'm envisioning: (1) Multi-port models. (e.g. 6, 12 24 ports) Of course. (2) SNMP Web Interface Management with ACL firewall. Explain more? What do you want to query via SNMP? Write via SNMP? Why does it need an ACL system? Why not just use your existing network security system to keep people out? You do have a dedicated infrastructure management network right? (3) Redundant power supplies with separate power cords. (e.g. UPS Blue UPS Red) Of course. How much power would need to come in? Would the power supplies be hot swappable? (4) Dip switch DC polarity selectable per port. (e.g. Trango/Canopy vs. UBNT, etc.) (5) Dip switch 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC passive and standard 802.3af selectable per port. Hmmm. Why not just do this via software interface (like cisco poe switch for example). That would make the most sense to me. (6) 1U shallow depth form factor. Naturally (7) Auto-Ping per port. What does this mean? Is this like an iboot where if it doesn't receive a heartbeat in specified time period it cycles power on the port? Of course you would be able to disable this when doing maintenance that is a longer outage (like say flashing firmware or something) (8) LED Status indicators per port. Why? Just give it via SNMP/web interface. (Guess I'm just so used to being a remote support person that I never expect to have local access. Have managed 10s of thousands of remote systems that I never saw). (9) Optional DC power source model for solar sites? DC power is a requirement I think. On every model. (10) Optional Trango Apex/Orion GigE model? Don't know what this is. Maybe others on the list will? What else would be beneficial in the design of this PoE controller? Think you about covered it. One thinks Cisco would do something like this and make it fairly dumb/cheap. They already meet all your above requirements (well don't know about redundant power supply on 1U but I imagine that could easily be done). From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNbBdHAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtz2UP/1UBbIBjHfM7T5Z0tzO2GtJY 27ztWSH8X826ii+0Q7msSBJxASHFP3wlQFQKP1KiHy/W4GxhJDXeFnFiZKeV+IFp GKsID3Xn7Og83ttVIMRKzX8DMhLwc31GoPkeEh7qix/a1JUACHgH9P9yZSOKCCmZ wD1msdvgop07Q6USTMiiMxe0OCbzzkQbIc0ERmdNjclvlZkJ0Ya0feLeEeag5LoQ 53wolRkpY6MA0lt0VH+3wXb1/mbQxklL9ezKDhmn9s/wwte8CqCL795aBfkVI4Z/ oZuw+00FI5gJGQpQti04MoO0lou6N1N7MEVsFMc6f895rscGXNmjViWTX6QKgplL a7ncy9dQpbc7XQOJSUrSHn5S4O3K/vgpnJ+pK+3TiPTd9YVhOOGUIMA3vwz5BeQ/ gGi8mWrtvaffAeEptQObfx1yf29Vk8qJbpwpXGo1eY+sE4rqeuBeYzPt06lyuSyc fU27hnc52xYulcTVeHXGPFBw+a97m+xbw6Rd7wqHTXEs8WWTFErUQ5+zQdYIMilG u8v95euKSPT7zicvIZubxjLgPwWTQIgSc2/kFkxDW5Z5j3l/JM/7MW72h8WfVN4w AjhVTJbP75VpkazJeLTfsBH8mdGyE21yY8fi35u7U9yh1jyy+OSvOtoeUfssG8CC 8587g27Ezu02NaT2E1cJ =r5jL -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
This would be cool however, I'm sure price is the factor. How much would you be willing to pay for the 12 port version? My guess is something like this would be $600-$800. :( Travis On 2/28/2011 10:52 AM, Brad Belton wrote: And here I am thinking all this time that I was the only one who would appreciate a device like this! I spoke with someone at Streakwave a few months ago about this and basically got a blank stare response. He had no idea why I would want such a thingsigh So, to any manufacturers up to the task, here is (IMO) a starting point of a bullet point list for the PoE device I'm envisioning: (1) Multi-port models. (e.g. 6, 12 24 ports) (2) SNMP Web Interface Management with ACL firewall. (3) Redundant power supplies with separate power cords. (e.g. UPS Blue UPS Red) (4) Dip switch DC polarity selectable per port. (e.g. Trango/Canopy vs. UBNT, etc.) (5) Dip switch 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC passive and standard 802.3af selectable per port. (6) 1U shallow depth form factor. (7) Auto-Ping per port. (8) LED Status indicators per port. (9) Optional DC power source model for solar sites? (10) Optional Trango Apex/Orion GigE model? What else would be beneficial in the design of this PoE controller? Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mark Nash *Sent:* Monday, February 28, 2011 10:53 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
I’m eye balling the DC setup that Kristian put out and so far I think it’s looking to be around $1000 for one of my big sites. At this point if it makes my life way easier I don’t care how much it costs. I’m sure I’m not the only one out there with this opinion. I agree on most the items that you have listed. Chris From: Chuck Hogg Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 1:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch The problem becomes that something with all those options are going to be more expensive than 6,12,24 PoE's. The market is demanding something cheap, and it would be hard to do that cheaply without quantity. Regards, Chuck On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: And here I am thinking all this time that I was the only one who would appreciate a device like this! I spoke with someone at Streakwave a few months ago about this and basically got a blank stare response. He had no idea why I would want such a thing….sigh So, to any manufacturers up to the task, here is (IMO) a starting point of a bullet point list for the PoE device I’m envisioning: (1) Multi-port models. (e.g. 6, 12 24 ports) (2) SNMP Web Interface Management with ACL firewall. (3) Redundant power supplies with separate power cords. (e.g. UPS “Blue” UPS “Red”) (4) Dip switch DC polarity selectable per port. (e.g. Trango/Canopy vs. UBNT, etc.) (5) Dip switch 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC passive and standard 802.3af selectable per port. (6) 1U shallow depth form factor. (7) Auto-Ping per port. (8) LED Status indicators per port. (9) Optional DC power source model for solar sites? (10) Optional Trango Apex/Orion GigE model? What else would be beneficial in the design of this PoE controller? Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping” feature they’ll have a winner. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
Last Mile Gear CTM2 unit got almost all Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 1:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch And here I am thinking all this time that I was the only one who would appreciate a device like this! I spoke with someone at Streakwave a few months ago about this and basically got a blank stare response. He had no idea why I would want such a thingsigh So, to any manufacturers up to the task, here is (IMO) a starting point of a bullet point list for the PoE device I'm envisioning: (1) Multi-port models. (e.g. 6, 12 24 ports) (2) SNMP Web Interface Management with ACL firewall. (3) Redundant power supplies with separate power cords. (e.g. UPS Blue UPS Red) (4) Dip switch DC polarity selectable per port. (e.g. Trango/Canopy vs. UBNT, etc.) (5) Dip switch 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC passive and standard 802.3af selectable per port. (6) 1U shallow depth form factor. (7) Auto-Ping per port. (8) LED Status indicators per port. (9) Optional DC power source model for solar sites? (10) Optional Trango Apex/Orion GigE model? What else would be beneficial in the design of this PoE controller? Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
Several years ago Proxim made a wireless system called Harmony. Their midspan POE (model 7562) is the device that fits what the OP was looking for. They are around Ebay and some of the surplus dealers. I can't remember the configuration but I think it was 6 ports. The Power output was the normal 4/5 7/8 and was, I think 12-18 volts. http://www4.shopping.com/Proxim-Harmony-power-system/info http://cgi.ebay.com/Proxim-Harmony-Proxim-Harmony-7562-/280425765945?pt=LH_D efaultDomain_0hash=item414aad9c39 Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles N Wyble Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 3:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/28/2011 09:52 AM, Brad Belton wrote: And here I am thinking all this time that I was the only one who would appreciate a device like this! I spoke with someone at Streakwave a few months ago about this and basically got a blank stare response. He had no idea why I would want such a thing..sigh So, to any manufacturers up to the task, here is (IMO) a starting point of a bullet point list for the PoE device I'm envisioning: (1) Multi-port models. (e.g. 6, 12 24 ports) Of course. (2) SNMP Web Interface Management with ACL firewall. Explain more? What do you want to query via SNMP? Write via SNMP? Why does it need an ACL system? Why not just use your existing network security system to keep people out? You do have a dedicated infrastructure management network right? (3) Redundant power supplies with separate power cords. (e.g. UPS Blue UPS Red) Of course. How much power would need to come in? Would the power supplies be hot swappable? (4) Dip switch DC polarity selectable per port. (e.g. Trango/Canopy vs. UBNT, etc.) (5) Dip switch 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC passive and standard 802.3af selectable per port. Hmmm. Why not just do this via software interface (like cisco poe switch for example). That would make the most sense to me. (6) 1U shallow depth form factor. Naturally (7) Auto-Ping per port. What does this mean? Is this like an iboot where if it doesn't receive a heartbeat in specified time period it cycles power on the port? Of course you would be able to disable this when doing maintenance that is a longer outage (like say flashing firmware or something) (8) LED Status indicators per port. Why? Just give it via SNMP/web interface. (Guess I'm just so used to being a remote support person that I never expect to have local access. Have managed 10s of thousands of remote systems that I never saw). (9) Optional DC power source model for solar sites? DC power is a requirement I think. On every model. (10) Optional Trango Apex/Orion GigE model? Don't know what this is. Maybe others on the list will? What else would be beneficial in the design of this PoE controller? Think you about covered it. One thinks Cisco would do something like this and make it fairly dumb/cheap. They already meet all your above requirements (well don't know about redundant power supply on 1U but I imagine that could easily be done). From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNbBdHAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtz2UP/1UBbIBjHfM7T5Z0tzO2GtJY 27ztWSH8X826ii+0Q7msSBJxASHFP3wlQFQKP1KiHy/W4GxhJDXeFnFiZKeV+IFp GKsID3Xn7Og83ttVIMRKzX8DMhLwc31GoPkeEh7qix/a1JUACHgH9P9yZSOKCCmZ wD1msdvgop07Q6USTMiiMxe0OCbzzkQbIc0ERmdNjclvlZkJ0Ya0feLeEeag5LoQ 53wolRkpY6MA0lt0VH+3wXb1/mbQxklL9ezKDhmn9s/wwte8CqCL795aBfkVI4Z/ oZuw+00FI5gJGQpQti04MoO0lou6N1N7MEVsFMc6f895rscGXNmjViWTX6QKgplL a7ncy9dQpbc7XQOJSUrSHn5S4O3K/vgpnJ+pK+3TiPTd9YVhOOGUIMA3vwz5BeQ/ gGi8mWrtvaffAeEptQObfx1yf29Vk8qJbpwpXGo1eY+sE4rqeuBeYzPt06lyuSyc fU27hnc52xYulcTVeHXGPFBw+a97m+xbw6Rd7wqHTXEs8WWTFErUQ5+zQdYIMilG u8v95euKSPT7zicvIZubxjLgPwWTQIgSc2/kFkxDW5Z5j3l/JM/7MW72h8WfVN4w AjhVTJbP75VpkazJeLTfsBH8mdGyE21yY8fi35u7U9yh1jyy+OSvOtoeUfssG8CC 8587g27Ezu02NaT2E1cJ =r5jL -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
Hasn't Scott Parsons (or whatever his name is, formerly of PacWireless) already made these? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/25/2011 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I believe I speak for everyone - eww! The whole point is to make it cleaner and simpler. I'm surprised Ubiquiti hasn't made a 1U PoE. I'm even more surprised not one vendor has come up with an 8 port 1U PoE box... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:28 PM, can...@believewireless.net mailto:can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net mailto:p...@believewireless.net wrote: You could take a regular PoE switch and use Ubiquiti's Instant 802.3af converters. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason Not UBNT, but RADWIN has a product called BDU (Base Distribution Unit) for up to 8 radios. Fully SNMP managed... unfortunately it's 48V (can be passive or 802.3af). But you can show them to UBTN's Ben Moore and say that's what you want... Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
You could take a regular PoE switch and use Ubiquiti's Instant 802.3af converters. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
I believe I speak for everyone - eww! The whole point is to make it cleaner and simpler. I'm surprised Ubiquiti hasn't made a 1U PoE. I'm even more surprised not one vendor has come up with an 8 port 1U PoE box... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:28 PM, can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net wrote: You could take a regular PoE switch and use Ubiquiti's Instant 802.3af converters. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
Josh, I agree. I want to be able to solve my mess!Where is the solutionubnt?? --- On Fri, 2/25/11, can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net wrote: From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 9:28 PM You could take a regular PoE switch and use Ubiquiti's Instant 802.3af converters. -Inline Attachment Follows- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18 http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
