Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Frans Grotepass
On Friday 27 July 2007 03:31, Mark Eichin wrote: >  (I think I saw "white, shiny" and thought "must be > documentation". BWHAAHAAHAAHAA!! This is hilarious!. Briliant. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.op

3G sim cards

2007-07-26 Thread Harrison Metzger
I'm not actually sure what number you need. On the (what I would call front side) side with NO contacts there is the iccid number which is long. On the back (side with contacts) their are 2 numbers: 71324 and 4021 (please don't clone my phone, lol). So we don't play email tag I'm on IRC (name calam

Re: 3G sim cards

2007-07-26 Thread Eric Johnson
Harrison Metzger wrote: Many people (including I) have not been able to get the at&t 3g sim card (the one with the "3g fireball") working in our neos. The older cingular ones do work (they are "64K smart chip"). I dont care if it does 2g, I would like for my at&t sim card to work in the phone.

Re: OpenMoko Forums Update...

2007-07-26 Thread Denis Kot
2007/7/27, Kyle Bassett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > For those of you who are unable to use the forums on a consistent basis, I > am actively searching for a solution for integrating the mailing lists, > NNTP, and forums; as one community. > take a look at http://www.jivesoftware.com/products/clearspace

3G sim cards

2007-07-26 Thread Harrison Metzger
Many people (including I) have not been able to get the at&t 3g sim card (the one with the "3g fireball") working in our neos. The older cingular ones do work (they are "64K smart chip"). I dont care if it does 2g, I would like for my at&t sim card to work in the phone. According to the GSM modem i

Re: 3G sim cards

2007-07-26 Thread Eric Johnson
Harrison Metzger wrote: Is there any way to make a 3G sim card work in the device (even if it does 2.5g)? Since the Calypso chipset is 2G a "3G SIM" will only work if it contains both the USIM and SIM applications. I would expect that this is the case for most operators that have both 2G and 3

Re: 3G sim cards

2007-07-26 Thread Raphaël Jacquot
Harrison Metzger wrote: Is there any way to make a 3G sim card work in the device (even if it does 2.5g)? yes, you won't get 3G service, but you'll still be able to use GPRS and GSM voice or data ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.

Re: 3G sim cards

2007-07-26 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 They basically should work, but the device does only 2G :), no EGPRS ;) Andreas Harrison Metzger wrote: > Is there any way to make a 3G sim card work in the device (even if it > does 2.5g)? > > >

Re: Re: greetings and a question

2007-07-26 Thread tyler laing
What I meant is, in the consumer version, will this be possible? And I meant "driver", not drive. I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough in my first question. Thanks for your time!Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:25:46 +0100Subject: Re: greetings and a questionis, is it possible to have the Neo1973 connect vi

Re: another linux platform platform

2007-07-26 Thread kenneth marken
On Thursday 26 July 2007 17:23:02 Tim Newsom wrote: > I just noticed this: > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5539544742.html > > They claim to have many of the features we have talked about on the list... > however, I am wondering about the "pending patent" related to placing > security in the b

OpenMoko Forums Update...

2007-07-26 Thread Kyle Bassett
Hello Everyone, forums.makeopensource.com is online and running. For those of you who are unable to use the forums on a consistent basis, I am actively searching for a solution for integrating the mailing lists, NNTP, and forums; as one community. I am setting up a second beta forum that has the

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Tim Newsom
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:06, Mark Eichin wrote: Ok, now I feel stupid. Guess you get to call me a muppet after all :-} The batteries and cards were all wrapped together in one of the foam cutouts. I don't know how I missed it this morning, when I got home I went through every compartment to do

Re: greetings and a question

2007-07-26 Thread Brendan Reid
> is, is it possible to have the Neo1973 connect via Peer-to-peer wireless > networking to another computer/phone? > not til October at least.current version has no wi-fi http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison Is there a drive yet for it? > many people talki

3G sim cards

2007-07-26 Thread Harrison Metzger
Is there any way to make a 3G sim card work in the device (even if it does 2.5g)? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

RE: Data Link Disable Capability?

2007-07-26 Thread David S Gathright
Thanks for the replies, all. I guess what I was wishing for was a 'built-in' way to disable the connection (call it 'economy mode' for the 'thrift-conscious'). I can settle for a hack, though, I suppose...as long as it's not too much of a pain (i.e. having to repeat N steps every N day/hours/etc)

greetings and a question

2007-07-26 Thread tyler laing
Hello all, I am new to the OpenMoko world, but I would love to help out. My primary experience is with Python, but I have soem experience with C, and almost none with C++.My first question, but not last ;-), is, is it possible to have the Neo1973 connect via Peer-to-peer wireless networking to a

Re: Ubuntu Fiesty Kernel .deb package

2007-07-26 Thread richard5
First line should be: sudo apt-get install linux-source linux-headers-`uname -r` George Barta wrote: > I added a new page on the wiki with instructions that worked for me on > Ubuntu 7.0.4. Its pretty rough right now, but feel free to change it. > If someone can verify that it works, we can pu

Re: Broken Sim Card Reader?

2007-07-26 Thread richard5
Try powering the gsm antenna on manually. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM Harrison Metzger wrote: > Mark, > > Thanks for the reply but it dosent work. Clicking that icon also crashes the bar. I have tried 3 different sim cards that all work in 3 other phones but on neo keeps till

Re: Ubuntu Fiesty Kernel .deb package

2007-07-26 Thread George Barta
I added a new page on the wiki with instructions that worked for me on Ubuntu 7.0.4. Its pretty rough right now, but feel free to change it. If someone can verify that it works, we can put a link to it from the other pages. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_Gadget_USB_Module George On 7/2

Re: Broken Sim Card Reader?

2007-07-26 Thread Jason Elwell
Harry, Have you tried re-seating the card? Perhaps the contacts are not meeting up. When I inserted mine, I slid the SIM into the metal piece while it was vertical, then closed it. To lock the metal piece, you have to slide it a little. Good luck. Jason On Thursday 26 July 2007 21:06:05 Ha

Re: Broken Sim Card Reader?

2007-07-26 Thread Harrison Metzger
Mark, Thanks for the reply but it dosent work. Clicking that icon also crashes the bar. I have tried 3 different sim cards that all work in 3 other phones but on neo keeps tilling me that my sim card is not inserted (CME ERROR 10). Harry On 7/26/07, Mark Eichin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Ha

Re: Broken Sim Card Reader?

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
"Harrison Metzger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Dear community, > > I received my neo today and have been playing around with it a bunch. I can > get any of the "phone" part of the phone to work. I have been playing around > with the GSM AT command set and issuing commands to the modem manually a

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
Mark Eichin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Advanced kit arrived, yay! > > Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo! Ok, now I feel stupid. Guess you get to call me a muppet after all :-} The batteries and cards were all wrapped together in one of the foam cutouts. I don't know how I missed it

Broken Sim Card Reader?

2007-07-26 Thread Harrison Metzger
Dear community, I received my neo today and have been playing around with it a bunch. I can get any of the "phone" part of the phone to work. I have been playing around with the GSM AT command set and issuing commands to the modem manually and from the gsm tool. However I could not register it on

Re: External Handler Proof of Concept

2007-07-26 Thread Jim McDonald
Kero van Gelder wrote: Something I thought of, the application (or whatever) that might want to register an extension need not be started yet. After all, DBus is capable of starting applications (and I'm sure Contacts, Agenda and a few more will be in the nearby future). Yep I'm planning on

Re: External Handler Proof of Concept

2007-07-26 Thread Kero van Gelder
>> I'll think about the extension concept a bit more. The fact that you chose >> a scenario to modify a phone number is interesting. How about calling a >> person from a Contact? and then choosing VoIP or GSM by those extensions? >> (specifically, I do not think gsmd is the place where the call sh

Re: Ubuntu Fiesty Kernel .deb package

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
> Is gadgetfs separate enough that you can just use module-assistant to > build it? > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU#Setting_up_USB_connection I'll note that the later Ubuntu kernels seem to have: CONFIG_USB_GADGET=m # CONFIG_USB_GADGET_DUMMY_HCD is not set CONFIG_USB_GADGETFS

Re: Duplicate Message Remover for Thunderbird

2007-07-26 Thread ewanm89
There is one built into claws-mail (sylpheed-claws) On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:05:09 -0400 "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Moko-Magicians... > > For those of us using Thunderbird, you can download a "Duplicate > Message Remover" add-on from here: > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-

Re: Data Link Disable Capability?

2007-07-26 Thread Giles Jones
On 26 Jul 2007, at 22:15, Tim Newsom wrote: On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:32, Giles Jones wrote: Anything and everything is possible. Obviously, you mean this withing the realm of programming openmoko. Otherwise, its a very broad and bold statement. /grin --Tim Well it's a fairly clean slat

Re: Data Link Disable Capability?

2007-07-26 Thread Tim Newsom
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:32, Giles Jones wrote: Anything and everything is possible. Obviously, you mean this withing the realm of programming openmoko. Otherwise, its a very broad and bold statement. /grin --Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing lis

Re: ...Order shipped: OpenMoko direct order

2007-07-26 Thread Joachim Steiger
Shachar Shemesh wrote: [...] > Meanwhile, is there any way to run the OS only in an emulator? On > another ARM platform, perhaps? take a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU that qemu emulates the GTA01bv4 hardware or at least does that to a degree which is enough to boot unm

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
Marco Barreno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm looking at that picture, and it looks to me like there are two > white batteries in the lower level right by the case handle, next to > the MicroSD card(s). If those two white things aren't batteries, what > are they? Those look like the batteries,

Re: ...Order shipped: OpenMoko direct order

2007-07-26 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Marco Crociani - Tyrael wrote: > 2007/7/25, Krzysztof Kajkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> I'm so jealous I live abroad and have to wait another day to have my >> neo sent, and than wait some time, just to wait to pay tax at customs >> when neo arrives to Poland! >> > Lucky you. In Israel, the fir

Re: Switch to newsgroup

2007-07-26 Thread Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik
On 10:32:02 2007-07-26 Geert Schuring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey all, > > I'd really like to switch to newsgroups for this kind of communication. > Best way to do it if you ask me! No shitty webforums, offline message > reading, and easy subscribing. > > So why not move to newsgroups? > A

Re: Switch to newsgroup

2007-07-26 Thread Sebastian Krause
Eric van Horssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Niels L. Ellegaard wrote: >> You can already read all the openmoko mailing lists as nntp (also >> known as "newsgroups") at www.gmane.org. >> >> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community > > My provider doesn't have this group, alltho

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Marco Barreno
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 01:13:49PM -0400, thus spake Mark Eichin: > [...] > In fact, the second layer had the headset, the laser pointer, the > strap, the flex-cable for the debug board, and the 2 usb cables (the > debug board itself is in the upper level.) I note from the picture > on http://op

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Jeff Andros
On 7/26/07, Mark Eichin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, it does boot to "Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found." But it has a penguin on-screen :-) and thus you are one step above any phone I've ever seen -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko commu

Re: Ubuntu Fiesty Kernel .deb package

2007-07-26 Thread William Voorhees
The following Wiki page has the instructions about the modules needed to setup the device. While I have enough experience to follow them I'm unfamiliar with module-assistant, would it be possible to add the required modules through module assistant? -Will http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_un

openmoko at the chaos communication camp 2007

2007-07-26 Thread Joachim Steiger
hi there. for those who do not know yet: there will be a huge open air hacker gathering in germany finding place at an old airfield near berlin for more details please click here http://events.ccc.de/camp/2007/Intro/ some people from openmoko and hopefully many interested hackers will gather in

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
"Frederic Kettelhoit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Would it be possible to get some blueprints of the device? I don't need > artist drawing, but it would be really really helpful to get the blueprints > for the case (inside and outside) as soon as possible. There are reasonably high res picture

Re: Data Link Disable Capability?

2007-07-26 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Actually, philosophically, by default it's disabled. You need to run a pppd to connect, as a GSM modem just provides one with a modem emulation. Now the question is if the software will automatically connect you, but I guess, there will be always an o

Re: Data Link Disable Capability?

2007-07-26 Thread Giles Jones
On 26 Jul 2007, at 19:21, David Gathright wrote: So, will OpenMoko let you disable the data link? Anything and everything is possible. Hopefully it would be a possibility via the interface. Otherwise the shell is your friend. ___ OpenMoko c

Re: Ubuntu Fiesty Kernel .deb package

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
Is gadgetfs separate enough that you can just use module-assistant to build it? "William Voorhees" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Since Ubuntu Fiesty is a pretty common distribution which doesn't encourage > custom kernel building is their any possibility of having someone wrap up a > .deb package

Re: Data Link Disable Capability?

2007-07-26 Thread Ian Darwin
David Gathright wrote: Hey, all! I've been following OpenMoko for a while now and have just joined this list. I hope this question is on-topic. I've been looking for information on whether or not it will be possible with OpenMoko to disable the data link to the cell phone company. I can't fin

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
Jason Elwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mark, > You will find out very soon that the rootfs image you used is badly broken. > "gta01-20070704215706" has a bug that causes gsmd to not respond. The issue > has been corrected in later builds. You can either build it yourself, or I > have ma

Ubuntu Fiesty Kernel .deb package

2007-07-26 Thread William Voorhees
Since Ubuntu Fiesty is a pretty common distribution which doesn't encourage custom kernel building is their any possibility of having someone wrap up a .deb package based on the -generic kernel with the appropriate changes (gadgetfs) to enable USB networking? -Will ___

Data Link Disable Capability?

2007-07-26 Thread David Gathright
Hey, all! I've been following OpenMoko for a while now and have just joined this list. I hope this question is on-topic. I've been looking for information on whether or not it will be possible with OpenMoko to disable the data link to the cell phone company. I can't find anything about that. Y

Re: qemu trouble...

2007-07-26 Thread Lars Hallberg
John Seghers skrev: Heh. Yeah, I was puzzled by that when I first read the web page that describes this. Basically, the ifconfig command is specifying the IP address for the Desktop's end of the USB connection. The QEMU side of the connection seems to be hardwired to 192.168.0.202. That worr

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Jason Elwell
Mark, You will find out very soon that the rootfs image you used is badly broken. "gta01-20070704215706" has a bug that causes gsmd to not respond. The issue has been corrected in later builds. You can either build it yourself, or I have made a recent recent build available at http://choose

Re: ...Order shipped: OpenMoko direct order

2007-07-26 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Krzysztof Kajkowski writes: > >Mine isn't shipped yet ;( Mine shipped last night. Currently between San Pablo CA and Albuquerque, NM. ETA is Monday. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/li

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
Oh, right, doesn't need the debug board (which I left at home) to just install a new root filesystem: % wget http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070704215706.rootfs.jffs2 % sudo ./src/host/dfu-util/src/dfu-util -a 5 -R -D ./openmoko-devel-image-fic-gt

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Jason Elwell
Cool. Glad to hear you got your device (and found a way to power it). Congrats! -Jason On Thursday 26 July 2007 12:17:52 Mark Eichin wrote: > Giles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > They never do work on USB with no battery, it's just how the electronics > > are designed. > > That's good to

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
Giles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > They never do work on USB with no battery, it's just how the electronics are > designed. That's good to know. > Shame about the missing bits, this may be of interest however: > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery > > "The battery is a one 3.

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
Peter Trapp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Have you checked this wiki? > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1 >> Before you start >> The software installed on your device is a factory variant with very limited > functionality. In fact, it may not even boot Linux. > >> Therefore, before you start, p

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
Andy Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thursday 26 July 2007 17:08, Mark Eichin wrote: >> Advanced kit arrived, yay! >> >> Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo! >> >> The phone doesn't appear to power up off of the USB cable by itself, >> either... > > > Not that I want to treat you lik

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Chris Kuethe
On 7/26/07, Krzysztof Kajkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Couple of months ago there was a problem amongst phase 0 developers - if their phone's battery was completly dead neo1973 did not charge it. I donno if this was fixed but charging battery in external charger (or in other phone - ie. Nokia

Re: NOT _YOUR_ ORDER (was Re: [rt.internal.openmoko.org #1820] Order shipped:)

2007-07-26 Thread Jason Elwell
HEHE. Too funny! BTW, just to rub it in a little, not only did I get the shipment confirmation, but the phone arrived today! :) Jason On 7/25/07, Andy Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: argh... thought this message was for my order = please change the subject! :) hehe Andy Lou

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
> I'm sory to hear that $450 advanced set does not have everything it > has to. I wonder if this could be more common thing. Did you try to > contact anyone at openmoko? I responded to the RT ticket, reopening it. Hopefully that's a good enough starting point; I was also curious if anyone else s

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Peter Trapp
hi again, I found the link (and several others) for updating thekernel, rootfs ( & u-boot -> be careful this can break the device, but you have an advanced set :) ) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1_FAQ http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_P

Re: another linux platform platform

2007-07-26 Thread Ted Lemon
On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 08:23 -0700, Tim Newsom wrote: > They claim to have many of the features we have talked about on the > list... however, I am wondering about the "pending patent" related to > placing security in the bootloader for signature checking of a boot > image. Does anyone know if this

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Peter Trapp
Have you checked this wiki? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1 > Before you start > The software installed on your device is a factory variant with very limited functionality. In fact, it may not even boot Linux. > Therefore, before you start, please ... (update kernel? and rootfs) There should

Re: [Community Tools] Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread Steven **
Steven ** <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > There is one possible issue. The "moko-gmane" users would not want to receive > a copy of all messages to the mailing lists. I know you can post messages > without being subscribed, but the messages have to be approved. I don't think > this will work. So,

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Andy Powell
On Thursday 26 July 2007 17:08, Mark Eichin wrote: > Advanced kit arrived, yay! > > Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo! > > The phone doesn't appear to power up off of the USB cable by itself, > either... Not that I want to treat you like a muppet, but you do know that there are 2 layers

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Krzysztof Kajkowski
2007/7/26, Mark Eichin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Advanced kit arrived, yay! Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo! You did not receive any of the uSD cards? No batteries either? The phone doesn't appear to power up off of the USB cable by itself, either... Couple of months ago there was

RE: qemu trouble...

2007-07-26 Thread John Seghers
Giles Jones wrote: > On 25 Jul 2007, at 23:42, John Seghers wrote: > > ifconfig usb0 inet 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 > > ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Interesting that the IP you use for usb0 is 192.168.0.200, then ssh > into 202. I thought this was a typo then considered that it was > delibe

Re: ...Order shipped: OpenMoko direct order

2007-07-26 Thread Krzysztof Kajkowski
2007/7/26, Marco Crociani - Tyrael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: So, the shipping for rest of the world? Mine isn't shipped yet ;( cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-26 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Valerio Bruno wrote: > Forum is a better tool for heavy communication than ML, and it's the only one That it is a better tool is just an assertion that I don't concur with. > usable by non-technic newbie user (like a 14 years old boy that plays with

Re: another linux platform platform

2007-07-26 Thread David Pottage
On Thu, July 26, 2007 4:23 pm, Tim Newsom wrote: > I just noticed this: > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5539544742.html > > They claim to have many of the features we have talked about on the > list... > however, I am wondering about the "pending patent" related to placing > security in the b

Re: [Community Tools] Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread Steven **
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, there was already the hint that gmane or Google Groups can do > exactly that *or even do it* (mirror the mailing list in a Web based > forum-like view). But apparently it did not find enough acceptance > (including myself). > > My

Re: ...Order shipped: OpenMoko direct order

2007-07-26 Thread andy selby
> > It shipped! > > > > I'm so jealous I live abroad and have to wait another day to have my > neo sent, and than wait some time, just to wait to pay tax at customs > when neo arrives to Poland! > > ;-) > So, the shipping for rest of the world? Mine's coming tomorrow and I live in the U.K. A UPS

whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
Advanced kit arrived, yay! Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo! The phone doesn't appear to power up off of the USB cable by itself, either... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/lis

Product naming / wiki page naming / restructuring

2007-07-26 Thread Harald Welte
Hi! Since we're now working on the "phase 2 neo", i.e. what is now known officially as "Neo1973 GTA02", I'd like to address one issue: For many information in the public wiki, it is not clear whether it is 1) general information about the openmoko 2007 software 1b) information about future softw

Re: another linux platform platform

2007-07-26 Thread Tim Newsom
Err... That was supposed to br linux phone platform... On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 8:35, Tim Newsom wrote: I just noticed this: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5539544742.html They claim to have many of the features we have talked about on the list... however, I am wondering about the "pending pate

Re: ...Order shipped: OpenMoko direct order

2007-07-26 Thread Marco Crociani - Tyrael
2007/7/25, Krzysztof Kajkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 2007/7/25, Cindy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > It shipped! > I'm so jealous I live abroad and have to wait another day to have my neo sent, and than wait some time, just to wait to pay tax at customs when neo arrives to Poland! ;-) So, the shipp

another linux platform platform

2007-07-26 Thread Tim Newsom
I just noticed this: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5539544742.html They claim to have many of the features we have talked about on the list... however, I am wondering about the "pending patent" related to placing security in the bootloader for signature checking of a boot image. Does anyone

Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-26 Thread Valerio Bruno
Andreas Kostyrka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Now, a newbie forum is fine, do as you like. Although one might argue > that you are splitting the community in two. > The problem is that you need a communication tool that is appropriate > for newbies. And it must be appropriate for power user, or y

FW: OpenMoko e-mail address confirmation

2007-07-26 Thread Dean Collins
To whoever is running the wiki - the ip address lookup service is incorrect. No big deal but if you have people hacking the wiki there will be no way to actually check their IP address. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dia

Everybody register at Local Groups please!

2007-07-26 Thread Geert Schuring
Hey all, Let's all register at the local groups! http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups At some point in the near future it will be very nice to be able to meet others owners/developers of a Neo1973. To share idea's, or to test group functionality, or just for a beer of course :) Gr

Re: Appeals to Linux hardware hackers?

2007-07-26 Thread Mark
I agree that they have a different motivation, but I do think they can be useful to our community. What we need to do is try to get them to hack OpenMoko onto proprietary phones. It will not only get them looking at and improving our software, but I think it would be funny to see people start to

Next batch of Neo1973s.

2007-07-26 Thread Ian Stirling
Best guesses from the uninformed are that >1000 orders have been made for phones. (based on P1_Orders, ...) And <1000 phones have been made. Have the next batch been ordered? If so, approximately when are they due? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Re: External Handler Proof of Concept

2007-07-26 Thread Jim McDonald
Kero van Gelder wrote: [...] I'll think about the extension concept a bit more. The fact that you chose a scenario to modify a phone number is interesting. How about calling a person from a Contact? and then choosing VoIP or GSM by those extensions? (specifically, I do not think gsmd is the

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread Giles Jones
Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > But why are we even bothering to have this discussion? Web forums aren't > stupid. They are a popular tool for discussion on the internet. If you are > too stupid to use them, that's not my problem. Maybe there's confusion? the forums were only propos

RE: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread marcus.3.fletcher
> -Original Message- > From: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 26 July 2007 07:49 > To: OpenMoko community > Subject: Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much > > Am 26.07.2007 um 08:06 schrieb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > " > > ... > > So when an official forum

Re: Switch to newsgroup

2007-07-26 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Thursday 26 July 2007 11:53:55 Eric van Horssen wrote: > > http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community > > My provider doesn't have this group, allthough it does have some gmane.* > groups > > Should al gmane lists be available everywhere? Yes, at the very least using nntp://nn

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread Ortwin Regel
On 7/26/07, Raphaël Jacquot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I recently read some "press article" that stated that for younger people, email was dead, and everything happened on MSN. well, I, for one, won't be often in those stupid HTML forums either, I consider those things * a waste of resources and

Re: qemu trouble...

2007-07-26 Thread Giles Jones
Tim Niemeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > > > > No i haven't such a message. > But when i type usb_add gadget:1, the qemu says in the QEMU monitor: > (qemu) Could not remove USB device '0.5' > Why? Seems to me like he gets some errors and want trys an automatic > usb_remove... I get thi

Re: Switch to newsgroup

2007-07-26 Thread Eric van Horssen
Niels L. Ellegaard wrote: Geert Schuring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I'd really like to switch to newsgroups for this kind of communication. Best way to do it if you ask me! No shitty webforums, offline message reading, and easy subscribing. So why not move to newsgroups? You can already read

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread Nick Johnson
This is hardly terribly complicated: Just have an email address per forum. You can subscribe to a list for each (sub)forum, and to post you just email the appropriate address. -Nick Johnson On 7/26/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I can hardly imagine how this really work

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread Lars Hallberg
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller skrev: i imagine this mail2forum provides some sort of "[Subforum]"-tag before each e-mail. To answer to a thread, simply answer the last mail of that thread. To start a new topic, just write "[Subforum]New Topic Name" as Subject of the mail. At least i would implement

Re: email vs forum (was Re: OK, the forum is coming..)

2007-07-26 Thread Ortwin Regel
You are talking about flat, web forum style threading, though. What he wants is tree style threading like in the ML archives, Slashdot comments etc. Ortwin On 7/26/07, vivek khurana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/25/07, Steven ** <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Um... That doesn't seem to get Gm

Re: Switch to newsgroup

2007-07-26 Thread Niels L. Ellegaard
Geert Schuring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'd really like to switch to newsgroups for this kind of communication. Best > way to do it if you ask me! No shitty webforums, offline message reading, > and easy subscribing. > > So why not move to newsgroups? You can already read all the openmoko mai

Re: [Community Tools] Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread ramsesoriginal
On 7/26/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > if they are connected, then there isn't anything to be decidet. > > Well, there was already the hint that gmane or Google Groups can do > exactly that *or even do it* (mirror the mailing list in a Web based > forum-like view). B

Re: email vs forum (was Re: OK, the forum is coming..)

2007-07-26 Thread vivek khurana
On 7/25/07, Steven ** <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Um... That doesn't seem to get Gmail to thread the messages at all. You're solution is "Just don't use Gmail. Duh!". That's not a valid answer to my question. Before you suggest it, the following is also an invalid response: "use Outlook or Th

[Community Tools] Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
if they are connected, then there isn't anything to be decidet. Well, there was already the hint that gmane or Google Groups can do exactly that *or even do it* (mirror the mailing list in a Web based forum-like view). But apparently it did not find enough acceptance (including myself).

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread ramsesoriginal
On 7/26/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > i imagine this mail2forum provides some sort of "[Subforum]"-tag > > before each e-mail. To answer to a thread, simply answer the last > > mail of that thread. To start a new topic, just write "[Subforum] > > New Topic Name" as S

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
i imagine this mail2forum provides some sort of "[Subforum]"-tag before each e-mail. To answer to a thread, simply answer the last mail of that thread. To start a new topic, just write "[Subforum] New Topic Name" as Subject of the mail. At least i would implement it this way. And if it isn't

Re: Switch to newsgroup

2007-07-26 Thread Marcel de Jong
Geert Schuring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Hey all, > > I'd really like to switch to newsgroups for this kind of communication. Best > way to do it if you ask me! No shitty webforums, offline message reading, > and easy subscribing. > > So why not move to newsgroups? > > Indeed, for the

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Giles Jones wrote: > Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > >> it's open-source (BSD license), so all the code is available to build >> on whatever environment/architecture you want (as far as my limited >> understanding of portable code/interp

Switch to newsgroup

2007-07-26 Thread Geert Schuring
Hey all, I'd really like to switch to newsgroups for this kind of communication. Best way to do it if you ask me! No shitty webforums, offline message reading, and easy subscribing. So why not move to newsgroups? Greetz, Geert Schuring. The Netherlands. _

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread Raphaël Jacquot
Giles Jones wrote: Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : it's open-source (BSD license), so all the code is available to build on whatever environment/architecture you want (as far as my limited understanding of portable code/interpretation of the gears wiki goes, anyway) http://code.googl

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