That is not an argument for abolishing the PO (inadvisable) but for
reforming politics (really hard,
but what else are you going do)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,HOOHHOHOHOHOHOHWHAAH!
That would require real effort on the part of the majority of
americans and they are just too "busy" t
I have never had any problems with health care in the United
States. NONE. My family has always received great care. We are
not rich, and we live in a rural area in the midwest. Our EMT's
are volunteers and our hospital is non-profit and operates in the
black.
Count yourself very very
Can't answer that one Marcio. Not sure how it should be done.
(I do know that Medicare has lengthened the life of our seniors and
made it dramatically better than it once was.)
Stewart
At 09:19 PM 8/15/2007, you wrote:
Stewart, something like Medicare (US) for all?...
Frankly, I think we
Yea, sure Mike. It's just that simple.
mike wrote:
And they do the said siphoning by offering one thing the PO can't get
right...getting a package where it's supposed to go, when it's supposed to
go. The PO would not be losing any of the money making end of delivery if
they could offer good pri
Let me correct a misnotion on USPS.
They have gotten much better over the years and a darn site better
than most (I would venture to say) any postal service in the world.
They handle by far the largest volume of mail of any nations postal
service, and do so at a relatively low price (Compare
And they do the said siphoning by offering one thing the PO can't get
right...getting a package where it's supposed to go, when it's supposed to
go. The PO would not be losing any of the money making end of delivery if
they could offer good prices, on time services and above all customer
service.
Keep in mind, Fed-Ex and UPS syphon off the money making elements of
delivering stuff, leaving the USPS to soldier on with what is left.
Jeff Morris wrote:
Socializing the health care industry would be biggest mistake this country has
ever made. Post Office vs Fed Ex. Enough said.
**
In that area they are making progress.
pretty much every Insurance company uses a standard form, with
standard codes. It is what they do with it that makes heads spin.
The Doctors offices have to deal with a myriad of companies and a
variety of reimbursement types.
In my own case, I have w
007 10:00:08 PM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location (off topic)
Paula I once heard it said that if we made Insurance mandatory and
paid for every ones health insurance our premiums would actually go
down due to less extraordinary procedures and other influences.
It is possible to
:02 PM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location (off topic)
Most people do not understand that we have only one political party
in this nation. It's the Corporation Party. It has two wings, the
Democratic Wing and the Republican Wing. Each wing draws voter
support from a different bas
ect: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location
Here's a little different take on the Canadian Health Care System by someone
who lived in Canada for years...worth reading.
Socializing the health care industry would be biggest mistake this country has
ever made. Post Office vs Fed Ex. Enough s
I have to mostly agree with this. Though those who can't afford it
do get it, and this is what raises the cost for those who can afford
it. In 2003 I was diagnosed with Congestive Heart Failure. At the
time I had no health insurance and no job. I was treated anyway with
several EKGs and Ec
I am not going to suggest how to improve health care in the United
States. Instead, I am going to relate my recent experience with health
care in Italy.
Last summer my wife and I vacationed in France and Italy. After a minor
accident in France (my wife slipped and fell to the ground), her le
Most people do not understand that we have only one political party
in this nation. It's the Corporation Party. It has two wings, the
Democratic Wing and the Republican Wing. Each wing draws voter
support from a different base, but what counts is money support, and
for each wing, that comes mai
>It is possible to cover everyone for health insurance, we just have
>to change the way we think, and as you said take the profit motive
>out of the equation.
Well Rev. the wing nuts believe that everything ought to be for profit.
Even their mega churches are for-profit corporations paying big
>I have never had any problems with health care in the United States.
>NONE. My family has always received great care. We are not rich, and we
>live in a rural area in the midwest. Our EMT's are volunteers and our
>hospital is non-profit and operates in the black.
You have just been fortuna
Good for you Jeff, but does that prove anything?
How about the 45.000.000 without insurance? The
ones who fall into the crack between
insurance and medicaid. Don´t they count?...
Marcio
At 08:41 AM 8/16/2007, Jeff Morris wrote:
I have never had any problems with health care
in the United Stat
I have never had any problems with health care in the United States. NONE. My
family has always received great care. We are not rich, and we live in a rural
area in the midwest. Our EMT's are volunteers and our hospital is non-profit
and operates in the black.
***
Can't answer that one Marcio. Not sure how it should be done.
(I do know that Medicare has lengthened the life of our seniors and
made it dramatically better than it once was.)
Stewart
At 09:19 PM 8/15/2007, you wrote:
Stewart, something like Medicare (US) for all?...
Marcio
At 23:00 15/
Stewart, something like Medicare (US) for all?...
Marcio
At 23:00 15/8/2007, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Paula I once heard it said that if we made Insurance mandatory and
paid for every ones health insurance our premiums would actually go
down due to less extraordinary procedures and other i
Paula I once heard it said that if we made Insurance mandatory and
paid for every ones health insurance our premiums would actually go
down due to less extraordinary procedures and other influences.
It is possible to cover everyone for health insurance, we just have
to change the way we think,
alance things out. We do not like rationing and we will fight
rationing at every turn. My wife's grandmother died of an aortic
aneurysm. Diagnosed, but not treated, she was over 80.
My grandmother died due to a failed hip operation, her third in two
months and she was over 90! OK which
Marcio income and insurance does not guarantee you good care in the
US. Ask the wife of John Ritter who died of a dissected Aorta. They
misdiagnosed his condition and he died.
My brother had the same problem and 10 years later is still
living. He was properly diagnosed. And my brother is no
Marcio I think you have me pegged wrong. I lived
in Canada and my first two children were born
there. My first child died of congenital heart
problems but got extremely good care and
treatment, he died because of the congenital problems, not care.
After he died the doctor ordered, and my wi
At 21:49 15/8/2007, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
What I said is reinforced by what he said. The
Canadian system uses rationing to balance things
out. We do not like rationing and we will fight
rationing at every turn. My wife's grandmother
died of an aortic aneurysm. Diagnosed, but not tre
Yes, the Canadian System has indeed some powerful enemies. Not
difficult to figure why.
Marcio
At 21:37 15/8/2007, Jeff Morris wrote:
Here's a little different take on the Canadian Health Care System by
someone who lived in Canada for years...worth reading.
Socializing the health care indust
What I said is reinforced by what he said. The Canadian system uses
rationing to balance things out. We do not like rationing and we
will fight rationing at every turn. My wife's grandmother died of an
aortic aneurysm. Diagnosed, but not treated, she was over 80.
My grandmother died due to
Here's a little different take on the Canadian Health Care System by someone
who lived in Canada for years...worth reading.
Socializing the health care industry would be biggest mistake this country has
ever made. Post Office vs Fed Ex. Enough said.
Follow the link below to read the truth abo
Bert, I didn't write the article so point your petulance somewhere else.
Mike
On 8/14/07, Bert Brehm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> And the United States has a higher infant mortality rate than
> Cuba. So much for your "opinion".
>
> https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/r
>
By the way, the U.S. already has a single-payer health plan that works
fairly well - it's called Medicare. It is not perfect, but it
provides a huge amount of healthcare, in America, with the least value
coming from the Republican-mandated free-market portion called
Medicare-Advantage (Republicans
egate health outcomes in industrialized countries are essentially
the same.
- Original Message
From: Jeff Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:07:19 AM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location
http://www.huma
I lived in Canada for 4.5 years and all my in-laws live there still.
Canada's health system is different than ours. They have mandatory
health insurance, but the province administrates the health insurance
so it makes sure everyone can afford it. I do not know how much it
is but it is less e
Not so... not every system that differ from the USA is "
socialist". In Canada, France and England there is universal
coverage and the people love
the system. The majority I would say, not the businessmen.
Marcio
At 01:07 AM 8/14/2007, Jeff Morris wrote:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.ph
And the United States has a higher infant mortality rate than
Cuba. So much for your "opinion".
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/r
ankorder/2091rank.html
BTW, the quote is Sir Winston Churchill.
-Original Message-
From: mike
A second opinion.
http://news.bbc
So we're a for-profit nation and the countries/continents without any
form of universal health care are the African continent (yes, the
entire thing sans South Africa), China, several Middle Eastern
countries, and a few South American countries. Gee, I feel so good
being with such company.
A second opinion.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/272078.stm A graph of cancer
rates/survival/costs.
Not sure who said it, but sometimes it's true...our system is the worst in
the world, except for everything else. I believe it was said about our
government system but it seems to hold true f
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20148
Not trying to start a war here...but if people can post their links, so can I.
Not everybody agrees with Michael Moore's health care ideas. Above is a link
to an article about one noted physician with some facts that may make you
rethink sociali
I hate to say this but until you get the FOR PROFIT out of the
hospital system it will go absolutely no where!!!
Stewart
At 10:32 PM 8/13/2007, you wrote:
There's a group of 14,000+ physicians who have been working toward
creating a national health care system since 1987. Find some helpful
There's a group of 14,000+ physicians who have been working toward
creating a national health care system since 1987. Find some helpful
discussions on their web site:
Physicians for a National Health Program
http://www.pnhp.org/
Betty
Here is a link to a discussion group on Yahoogroups that
Here is a link to a discussion group on Yahoogroups that is doing
exactly what you asked for.
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/Sicko-Healthcare-Reform/
Stewart
At 09:14 PM 8/12/2007, you wrote:
I saw Sicko a couple of weeks ago and felt something
was missing. I felt that I was seeing o
This wouold be quite interesting.
Marcio
At 20:35 12/8/2007, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote:
I saw Sicko a couple of weeks ago and felt something
was missing. I felt that I was seeing one side of a
many sided argument over this nations health care
system. Being the card carrying skeptic I am I'm
l
I saw Sicko a couple of weeks ago and felt something
was missing. I felt that I was seeing one side of a
many sided argument over this nations health care
system. Being
Wayne, I'd be happy to discuss it with you off list. My husband is a
physician here in the US but we are completely in favor
Considering what we do with windows/mac, i'd say NOT HERE!
heh
Mike
On 8/12/07, Wayne Dernoncourt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I saw Sicko a couple of weeks ago and felt something
> was missing. I felt that I was seeing one side of a
> many sided argument over this nations health care
> syste
I saw Sicko a couple of weeks ago and felt something
was missing. I felt that I was seeing one side of a
many sided argument over this nations health care
system. Being the card carrying skeptic I am I'm
looking for someplace to discuss this -- preferably
keeping things on a civil tone and not de
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