Re: Sim Theory

2019-11-04 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Brings a smile, xorcist :) "The great unknowable" experiencing itself, through itself, by imposing arbitrary restrictions upon spliters of itself." Which conception gives rise to a fundamental existential question: "To what extent am I puppeteered/ pre-ordained, and to what extent (if at all)

Re: Sim Theory

2016-10-07 Thread ben0wNed
4 real saw that name on hacker m0dUle - Original Message On Oct 7, 2016, 3:01 PM, John Newman wrote: R u the famous "rooty tooty fresh and fruity" ?? John On Oct 7, 2016, at 5:46 PM, rooty < arpsp...@protonmail.com> wrote: r u the famous mEtaSploit hacker script righter

Re: Sim Theory

2016-10-07 Thread John Newman
R u the famous "rooty tooty fresh and fruity" ?? John > On Oct 7, 2016, at 5:46 PM, rooty wrote: > > r u the famous mEtaSploit hacker script righter - ge0rgi > > > > Original Message > On Oct 7, 2016, 11:15 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 07, 2016 at 12:49:35PM

Re: Sim Theory

2016-10-07 Thread rooty
r u the famous mEtaSploit hacker script righter - ge0rgi Original Message On Oct 7, 2016, 11:15 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote: On Fri, Oct 07, 2016 at 12:49:35PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > Many believe that we live in a computer simulation. But it takes a > billionaire and his money

Re: Sim Theory

2016-10-07 Thread juan
On Fri, 7 Oct 2016 12:49:35 -0400 grarpamp wrote: > Many people in Silicon > Valley have become obsessed with the simulation hypothesis, the only thing the criminal predators in silicon valley care is how to rape the biggest number of people in the most efficient way

Re: Sim Theory

2016-10-07 Thread John Newman
On Oct 7, 2016, at 3:29 PM, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote: >> >> I figure it's best to ignore the implications of the simulation >> hypothesis. There's nothing to be done about it. > > If I'm understanding you correctly, I find I quite agree, but for perhaps > different reasons, because I don't fi

Re: Sim Theory

2016-10-07 Thread xorcist
> > I figure it's best to ignore the implications of the simulation > hypothesis. There's nothing to be done about it. If I'm understanding you correctly, I find I quite agree, but for perhaps different reasons, because I don't find the implications to be all that difficult. Whether reality is ma

Re: Sim Theory

2016-10-07 Thread Mirimir
On 10/07/2016 12:35 PM, John Newman wrote: > >> On Oct 7, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Georgi Guninski wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Oct 07, 2016 at 12:49:35PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: >>> Many believe that we live in a computer simulation. But it takes a >>> billionaire and his money to ask scientists to help break

Re: Sim Theory

2016-10-07 Thread John Newman
> On Oct 7, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Georgi Guninski wrote: > >> On Fri, Oct 07, 2016 at 12:49:35PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: >> Many believe that we live in a computer simulation. But it takes a >> billionaire and his money to ask scientists to help break us out of >> the simulation. ... > > lol, so bil

Re: Sim Theory

2016-10-07 Thread Georgi Guninski
On Fri, Oct 07, 2016 at 12:49:35PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > Many believe that we live in a computer simulation. But it takes a > billionaire and his money to ask scientists to help break us out of > the simulation. ... lol, so billionaires are asking to root the virtual machine, get root on the ho

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-22 Thread Mirimir
On 09/22/2016 06:23 AM, John Newman wrote: > >> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:34 AM, Mirimir wrote: >> 'Quantum Thief' opens with prisoner's dilemma selection. Make numerous >> digital copies, select for copies that cooperate, repeat. >> >> "As always, before the warmind and I shoot each other, I try to

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-22 Thread John Newman
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:40:06AM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:34 AM, Mirimir wrote: > > Maybe you can get it through a library. > > Interlibrary loan, works wonders. Openlibrary took me to worldcat which did track the book down to a library thats about 15 miles from me.

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-22 Thread John Newman
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:34 AM, Mirimir wrote: > 'Quantum Thief' opens with prisoner's dilemma selection. Make numerous > digital copies, select for copies that cooperate, repeat. > > "As always, before the warmind and I shoot each other, I try to make > smalltalk." I just grabbed a torrent of

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-22 Thread Georgi Guninski
On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 03:15:40PM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote: > None of this can or should persuade anyone but me that something > damned strange is going on with this "reality" thing. But I was and > remain so persuaded. Now the question is, what does it mean and what > can I do with/to/about it

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-21 Thread grarpamp
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:34 AM, Mirimir wrote: > Maybe you can get it through a library. Interlibrary loan, works wonders.

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-21 Thread Mirimir
On 09/21/2016 04:15 AM, John Newman wrote: > >> On Sep 20, 2016, at 11:39 PM, Mirimir wrote: >> >>> On 09/20/2016 09:22 PM, Tom wrote: >>> btw, I'd suggest reading Phil Plaits 'Death from the Skies!'. In this >>> book he examines a couple of scenarios how the universe might end (among >>> a coupl

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-21 Thread Steve Kinney
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/21/2016 10:36 AM, John Newman wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 02:04:25PM +0300, Georgi Guninski wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 03:33:24PM -0400, John wrote: >> For me a plausible counter example appears a late Bulgarian >> phenomenon Baba

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-21 Thread John Newman
On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 02:04:25PM +0300, Georgi Guninski wrote: > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 03:33:24PM -0400, John wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > > > > > On September 18, 2016 8:36:52 AM EDT, Georgi Guninski > > wrote: > > >The main problem is this scales

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-21 Thread Georgi Guninski
On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 03:33:24PM -0400, John wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > > > On September 18, 2016 8:36:52 AM EDT, Georgi Guninski > wrote: > >The main problem is this scales upwards till infinity via arguments of > >the form "who simulates the simulator?"

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-21 Thread John Newman
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 11:39 PM, Mirimir wrote: > >> On 09/20/2016 09:22 PM, Tom wrote: >> btw, I'd suggest reading Phil Plaits 'Death from the Skies!'. In this >> book he examines a couple of scenarios how the universe might end (among >> a couple other ways how we could die). Very fun read. >

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-20 Thread Mirimir
On 09/20/2016 09:22 PM, Tom wrote: > btw, I'd suggest reading Phil Plaits 'Death from the Skies!'. In this > book he examines a couple of scenarios how the universe might end (among > a couple other ways how we could die). Very fun read. There's The Killing Star by Charles R. Pellegrino and George

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-20 Thread Tom
btw, I'd suggest reading Phil Plaits 'Death from the Skies!'. In this book he examines a couple of scenarios how the universe might end (among a couple other ways how we could die). Very fun read. On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 06:07:56PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:48 PM, wrote:

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-20 Thread Mirimir
On 09/17/2016 08:09 PM, grarpamp wrote: > So many people have proposed we're simulated... > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis > > Now why would such an extremely advanced civilization / collective > want to simulate us? Is this an unanswered question? Maybe they're so advanced t

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-20 Thread Steve Kinney
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/17/2016 10:09 PM, grarpamp wrote: > So many people have proposed we're simulated... > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis > > Now why would such an extremely advanced civilization / collective > want to simulate us? Is this an

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-20 Thread grarpamp
On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:48 PM, wrote: > I find it difficult to believe in the heat death of the universe. The Big > Crunch makes sense to me. The universe expands for a time, and collapses. > Like breathing. > But continual expansion with the universe turning into some cold, > undefinable soup.

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-20 Thread xorcist
> It's turtles all the way down Actually, I like to think > that the universe is infinite and forever, except current > models predict heat death once entropy is reached in > some enormous amount of time... > > But who fucking knows, really? Truth. I find it difficult to believe in the heat

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-20 Thread John
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On September 18, 2016 8:36:52 AM EDT, Georgi Guninski wrote: >The main problem is this scales upwards till infinity via arguments of >the form "who simulates the simulator?" and "who made what was before >the big bang?". It's turtles all the way

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-18 Thread Georgi Guninski
On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 10:09:30PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > So many people have proposed we're simulated... > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis > > Now why would such an extremely advanced civilization / collective > want to simulate us? Is this an unanswered question? > I think

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-17 Thread xorcist
Too cerebral. It's interesting to me that the simulation hypothesis has so much in common with Buddhist philosophy. In fact, Buddhism already answers this sort of thing. Alan Watts, as a Zen Buddhist, presented the view that life is essentially a game played out at the cosmic level. All life is e