Unsatisfied depends in slink main

1999-01-21 Thread Dale Scheetz
Since the recent discussion with Richard Stallman about the unsatisfied suggests message, I have undertaken the examination of the main archives. The script that I am working on unpacks all of the .deb files it finds and collects Package:, Provides:, Pre-Depends:, Depends:, Recommends:, and Sugges

RE: getting kernel 2.2 into slink

1999-01-21 Thread Brent Fulgham
> I think we should include it, as a service to people who don't want to > download the whole thing, but attach a note saying "As 2.2 was > released just before we released slink, we are including it, but there > may be problems, it might eat your computer... we are not responsible > for anyth

Re: getting kernel 2.2 into slink

1999-01-21 Thread David Welton
On Thu, Jan 21, 1999 at 03:17:26PM -0800, Brent Fulgham wrote: > I say let's make the 2.2 image a high-profile aspect of slink's release. > The kernel is very stable, and I've been running my Debian system on it The kernel is stable, but is the kernel + debian stable? No one knows. I think we

RE: getting kernel 2.2 into slink

1999-01-21 Thread Brent Fulgham
I say let's make the 2.2 image a high-profile aspect of slink's release.  The kernel is very stable, and I've been running my Debian system on it since 2.1.120.  Plus, it would be a great "technical" feature of our distribution that might give us some bragging rights over the other distros. -B

Re: I'm a concerned about slink. specifically jdk1.1, idraw, and xaw-wrappers

1999-01-21 Thread Joey Hess
Dale E. Martin wrote: > went to bugs.debian.org and it has a bug (only 7 days old this time) > explaining the problem (I _was_ using nextaw) and how to work around > it. For the life of me, xaw-wrappers won't work. Even for stuff I didn't > set up. For instance, if I run "xkeycaps" (which uses xa

Re: getting kernel 2.2 into slink

1999-01-21 Thread Ivan E. Moore II
On Thu, Jan 21, 1999 at 12:34:57PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote: > Would anyone object if kernel 2.2 were packaged up at least as a > kernel-source package for slink? 2.0.3x would remain slink's default kernel, > would be used on the boot disks, etc, but this would let people get ahold of > kernel 2.2 ea

Mailing List for LinuxTag organization

1999-01-21 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
Hello, Lars Bensmann set up a mailing list for organization of the LinuxTag. If you are interested, please subscribe by sending mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please subscribe even if you can't come to the event. A lot of preperation will be needed. If you have already organized such an event, pleas

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-21 Thread Brian May
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: >On Thu, Jan 21, 1999 at 07:36:43PM +1100, Brian May wrote: >> 1. web files owned by www-data:www-data (ie no group change), and the >> web process executed by www:www (for instance). There is no need for >> users to be members of root. This would require a

faure.debian.org and albert.debian.org

1999-01-21 Thread Adam Heath
These two alpha machines, hosted at novare, will disappear from the net for about 15-20 minutes at or around 6pm local time(master and novare have the same local time). This will not affect master and murphy. Adam

I'm a concerned about slink. specifically jdk1.1, idraw, and xaw-wrappers

1999-01-21 Thread Dale E. Martin
I'm not trying to be too negative or anything, but I've been having kind of a bad day with Slink and I'm wondering if I'm the only one? Today I've been trying to draw some stuff, and here's the path I've gone down. I tried to use TogetherJ, written in Java. But jdk1.1 is completely hosed and t

Re: KDE status?

1999-01-21 Thread Edward Betts
On Thu, 21 Jan, 1999, Ossama Othman wrote: > Hi guys, > > What's the word on Debian and the KDE? Just wondering. They will not let us distribute binaries so we don't. -- GNU does not eliminate all the world's problems, only some of them. -- The G

Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?

1999-01-21 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Jan 21, 1999 at 08:35:06PM +0100, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > Choosing the underlying distribution to build the LinuxTag CD from has > always been a most painful decision. The infighting that occurred last > year over the choice SuSE vs. Red Hat turned ugly. I don't expect the > decisi

Re: getting kernel 2.2 into slink

1999-01-21 Thread Ben Collins
On Thu, Jan 21, 1999 at 12:34:57PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote: > Would anyone object if kernel 2.2 were packaged up at least as a > kernel-source package for slink? 2.0.3x would remain slink's default kernel, I'de really like to see a kernel-image too, atleast for the non-i386 ports to use. The 2.2 ke

Re: jdk doesn't work at all - is anyone on it?

1999-01-21 Thread Dale E. Martin
Johnie Ingram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'd say grave, but then again jdk is non-free and wont be on CDs anyway. > TIA to whoever fixes this package. I'd say it's grave too - despite being non-free, this _is_ the only decent java virtual machine available and java isn't exactly unpopular. La

RE: KDE status?

1999-01-21 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi Jules, > Brief summary, then: > > KDE will not be in slink. > KDE will be in potato if > > a) KDE change their license (in which case it can go into contrib) > b) Qt change their license (in which case they may both be able to go into > free) > > b) is the likely outcome, since troll are des

RE: KDE status?

1999-01-21 Thread Jules Bean
> > It's all available in the archives... Let's not start THAT discussion again, > > ok? > > Sure no problem. I had no intention of doing so. I was just curious as > to the status. There will be no argument from me, especially since I > agreed with Debian's stance on the matter. :) > Brief

Re: MD5sum in Packages (was: No ldd?)

1999-01-21 Thread Riku Saikkonen
George Bonser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Note that I am using the apt method of dselect using the round-robin >mirrors so I have no idea which site I was really connected to when I got >the bad .deb Does apt check the MD5sum of the package against that in the Packages file? Does dpkg do that (I

Re: mc bug? or i've not read the manuals

1999-01-21 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Jan 21, 1999 at 11:32:54AM -0500, Dale Scheetz wrote: > I suspect that both of you are editing these files as a user. I suspect > (but haven't checked) that if you do the edit as root, that the bits will > stay in place, but another user, who may have write permissions on the > file should

Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?

1999-01-21 Thread Christian Weisgerber
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Bramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One question: Is it right, that you search for a Linux Distribution for > your 'Tagungs-CD'. Last year it was suse, the year befor redhat. Right? > This year, debian? Choosing the underlying distribution to build the Lin

getting kernel 2.2 into slink

1999-01-21 Thread Joey Hess
Would anyone object if kernel 2.2 were packaged up at least as a kernel-source package for slink? 2.0.3x would remain slink's default kernel, would be used on the boot disks, etc, but this would let people get ahold of kernel 2.2 easily on a debian cdrom, and it would let us say that debian support

RE: KDE status?

1999-01-21 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi Darren, > > What's the word on Debian and the KDE? Just wondering. > > > > Thanks, > > -Ossama > > > It's all available in the archives... Let's not start THAT discussion again, > ok? Sure no problem. I had no intention of doing so. I was just curious as to the status. There will be no

Re: jdk doesn't work at all - is anyone on it?

1999-01-21 Thread Johnie Ingram
"Amos" == Amos Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Amos> At first I suspected that maybe I screwed something and purged Amos> and re-installed the package, but that doesn't work. Now I had Amos> a report from someone else that it doesn't work for him at all Amos> too. Same here; reinstalling it

RE: KDE status?

1999-01-21 Thread Darren Benham
On 21-Jan-99 Ossama Othman wrote: > Hi guys, > > What's the word on Debian and the KDE? Just wondering. > > Thanks, > -Ossama > It's all available in the archives... Let's not start THAT discussion again, ok? -- = * htt

jdk doesn't work at all - is anyone on it?

1999-01-21 Thread Amos Shapira
Hello, After a recent upgrade of the JDK package (on a slink machine) it stopped working. It complains about not finding 'versionCheck' and won't run any program (I'm talking about the jre, the runtime environment). At first I suspected that maybe I screwed something and purged and re-installed

Re: Intent to package rolldice, blackjack

1999-01-21 Thread Stevie Strickland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > On Thu, Jan 21, 1999 at 04:04:20AM -0500, Stevie Strickland wrote: > > rolldice is a virtual dice roller that takes in a string on the command > > line in the format used by some fantasy role playing games like Advanced > > Dungeons & Dragons[1] and returns the

Re: Intent to package rolldice, blackjack

1999-01-21 Thread Stevie Strickland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Buddha Buck wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > > > rolldice is a virtual dice roller that takes in a string on the command > > line in the format used by some fantasy role playing games like Advanced > > Dungeons & Dragons[1]

Re: apt-get: no instalation candidat

1999-01-21 Thread Edward Betts
On Thu, 21 Jan, 1999, Alexander N. Benner wrote: > Hi > trying to upgrade some packages apt-get fails with the msg. > > E: Package bigbrother has no instalation candidate > > Packages which fail (with this msg): > > bigbrother > xplot > xsplay > xwatch > > my apt/source.list: > > # Use for a

Re: Debian v2.1 ("Slink") Deep Freeze

1999-01-21 Thread Michael Shields
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brian White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ivtools 31966 Post Inst error I sent in a patch for this; it's a trivial fix. -- Shields.

Re: New DFSG Draft revision #3

1999-01-21 Thread Darren Benham
On 21-Jan-99 Gregor Hoffleit wrote: >> I think, and this is just off the cuff, that my problem with the >> license, be it the former OR latter, is the fact that the USER now >> has a license issue to deal with. I think (again, on the fly) that >> there should be no extra licensing worries for th

Re: doc-base control file madness

1999-01-21 Thread Adam Di Carlo
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:18:21 + (GMT), Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On 21 Jan 1999, Ben Gertzfield wrote: >> > "Dale" == Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Ben> I've recently looked into the doc-base control file format. It Ben> seems pretty sane, except I realized since it

KDE status?

1999-01-21 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi guys, What's the word on Debian and the KDE? Just wondering. Thanks, -Ossama __ Ossama Othman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 58 60 1A E8 7A 66 F4 44 74 9F 3C D4 EF BF 35 88 1024/8A04D15D 1998/08/26

Re: Revision 4 of DFSG

1999-01-21 Thread Darren Benham
The XFree86 (I think it's also called the MIT license?) has been added. Since (so far) we still accept the advertising clause, the BSD license is still "DFSG-free"... On 21-Jan-99 Gregor Hoffleit wrote: > Perhaps we could mention this problem with the advertisment clause > here, and add XFree86 t

Re: doc-base control file madness

1999-01-21 Thread Ben Gertzfield
> "Jules" == Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jules> In general, it is IMHO silly to rewrite, yet again, a macro Jules> substitution engine into a special purpose piece of Jules> software (doc-base) when we already have several good, fast Jules> macro substituters (cpp, m

Re: doc-base control file madness

1999-01-21 Thread Jules Bean
On 21 Jan 1999, Ben Gertzfield wrote: > > "Dale" == Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Ben> I've recently looked into the doc-base control file > Ben> format. It seems pretty sane, except I realized since it does > Ben> not provide for any macro expansion, I will have to

Re: doc-base control file madness

1999-01-21 Thread Joel Klecker
At 08:06 -0800 1999-01-21, Ben Gertzfield wrote: Is there any way doc-base can provide some kind of macro expansion, so I don't have to edit: /usr/doc/libgtk1.1.13-doc/gtk-faq.html/ ... every time I have a new package, instead, doing something like VERSION=1.1.13 /usr/doc/libgtk${VERSION}-doc/gtk-f

Re: doc-base control file madness

1999-01-21 Thread Ben Gertzfield
> "Dale" == Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Ben> I've recently looked into the doc-base control file Ben> format. It seems pretty sane, except I realized since it does Ben> not provide for any macro expansion, I will have to edit the Ben> 8 or 9 doc control files libgt

Re: Revision 4 of DFSG

1999-01-21 Thread Gregor Hoffleit
Now for something different: > 4.5. Example Licenses > -- > > As examples, we consider the following licenses DFSG-free: > > * the Artistic License > > * the BSD License > > * the MIT/X Consortium License > > * the GNU General Publ

Re: New DFSG Draft revision #3

1999-01-21 Thread Gregor Hoffleit
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 08:56:09PM -0800, Darren Benham wrote: > On 20-Jan-99 Anderson MacKay wrote: > > As I read the license, it just requires that you display notice that your > > website was created using Zope, e.g. a sort of "powered by Zope" logo > > kinda thing, and you need a "credits" page

Re: Bug#27050 (fdutils): A cause for security concern?

1999-01-21 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > I looked around in the code a bit more and found a few dubious looking > sprintf's. What else should I look for? I already checked for 'system' > and 'execve'. Wichert Akkerman writes: > Please do so. Please do *what*? As I noted, there are no calls to system or its ilk. I know h

Re: LSB?

1999-01-21 Thread Johnie Ingram
"Wayne" == Wayne Schlitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Wayne> To the best of my knowledge, the LSB lists have never been Wayne> *closed* to the general public. I have been subscribed to them Wayne> for months, and I found out about them by reading /., Wayne> debian-devel, and looking at a few web

Re: doc-base control file madness

1999-01-21 Thread Dale Scheetz
On 21 Jan 1999, Ben Gertzfield wrote: > I've recently looked into the doc-base control file format. It seems > pretty sane, except I realized since it does not provide for any > macro expansion, I will have to edit the 8 or 9 doc control files > libgtk1.1.13-doc (and 1.1.14, and 1.1.15, ad nauseum

Re: mc bug? or i've not read the manuals

1999-01-21 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Jules Bean wrote: > On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Tibor Koleszar wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > So, if you have a script with a setuid flag after you edit+save it in > > mc's editor the flag will dissapear... > > I dont know, but i think it's a bug. > > Let me know if it is, and i'll re

xxgdb should get pulled

1999-01-21 Thread Daniel Martin
This probably isn't necessary, as I just filed an important and a grave bug against the package, but I thought I'd declare that xxgdb should really be pulled. It doesn't work at al in a libc6 environment, it hasn't been uploaded by its ostensible maintainer since bo was in frozen, and the last NMU

Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?

1999-01-21 Thread Philipp Frauenfelder
Christoph Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Maybe I can also get a car to assist Thimo with transporting if someone > wants to stay in Heidelberg (we have a youth hostel too, I can't offer > sleeping place, sorry) Would be an option, especially if one goes there by car or such. Btw, how much is a "s

doc-base control file madness

1999-01-21 Thread Ben Gertzfield
I've recently looked into the doc-base control file format. It seems pretty sane, except I realized since it does not provide for any macro expansion, I will have to edit the 8 or 9 doc control files libgtk1.1.13-doc (and 1.1.14, and 1.1.15, ad nauseum) provides EVERY SINGLE TIME there is a new rel

Mailinglist (was: Re: organizer wanted!)

1999-01-21 Thread Lars Bensmann
On Thu, Jan 21, 1999 at 01:08:17AM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > > It looks like a couple of us are able to attend, and most will need some > place to stay. I think we need a volunteer to organize all this. > > Any willing to do this? I set up a mailinglist, so we do not need to flood the -de

Re: libpam, cracklib, and slink (was Re: Release-critical...)

1999-01-21 Thread Jean Pierre LeJacq
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Ben Collins wrote: > Ok, after looking at this, I've decided that the cracklib support for > PAM would be best handled by having it in a seperate package. I want to > propose a naming scheme for module packages for PAM similar to how > apache modules are named, libpam-mod-foo,

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-21 Thread Gordon Tetlow
Florian La Roche wrote: > > I can also see some points why /var/mail would be a better standard point > if we would make a "new" decision about this. But Linux has a large user > base now and after the move from /var/spool/mail to /var/mail, we would > not have gained a lot. So why do it? > > Ther

Re: LSB?

1999-01-21 Thread Wayne Schlitt
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Last I heard the LSB list was closed to the general public, though > archives were available. Is this still the case? If the LSB project now > welcomes "outsiders" to work with the project, great. Otherwise I'm > concerned doing

Re: packages.debian.org

1999-01-21 Thread Jules Bean
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, James A. Treacy wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jan, 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Given that from your description swish++ sounds like a general purpose > > indexer, which has been set up to index 'natural language' is it the best > > one > > for our purposes? > > > Once I removed

Re: mc bug? or i've not read the manuals

1999-01-21 Thread Jules Bean
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Tibor Koleszar wrote: > Hello, > > So, if you have a script with a setuid flag after you edit+save it in > mc's editor the flag will dissapear... > I dont know, but i think it's a bug. > Let me know if it is, and i'll report it. i've observed the same thing in emacs. Presum

Re: how rpm does it (Re: Dpkg Update Proposal)

1999-01-21 Thread Gordon Matzigkeit
Hi! > Joey Hess writes: JH> What happens if you try to install version bar of a package while JH> version foo of that same package, which contains files of the JH> same name, is installed? Rpm will happily overwrite version foo's JH> files. Yes. JH> What happens if you then remove vers

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-21 Thread Erik Troan
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > Given that, it is better to use /var/mail, because the mail inbox > directory is *not* a spool (a daemon transshipment point -- the mail > *spool* is /var/spool/mqueue.) Putting it under /var/spool causes > disk space management problems. Moving it on

mc bug? or i've not read the manuals

1999-01-21 Thread Tibor Koleszar
Hello, So, if you have a script with a setuid flag after you edit+save it in mc's editor the flag will dissapear... I dont know, but i think it's a bug. Let me know if it is, and i'll report it. Regards, Tibor -- =[ IntegraNET ]===[ Internet Service Provider Corporation ]= [ Koleszár Tibor - S

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-21 Thread Scott K. Ellis
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Florian La Roche wrote: > There are reasons why all distributions stayed with /var/spool/mail. > Even Debian who also thinks a lot about making things sane/clean has > stayed with /var/spool/mail. Note that Debian has not yet moved from FSSTND to FHS for the most part, and re

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-21 Thread bandregg
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:53:32 -0800 (PST), "H. Peter Anvin" wrote: >Given that, it is better to use /var/mail, because the mail inbox >directory is *not* a spool (a daemon transshipment point -- the mail >*spool* is /var/spool/mqueue.) Putting it under /var/spool causes >disk space management prob

Re: Bug#27050 (fdutils): A cause for security concern?

1999-01-21 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously John Hasler wrote: > I looked around in the code a bit more and found a few dubious looking > sprintf's. What else should I look for? I already checked for 'system' > and 'execve'. Please do so. If you don't feel confident enough you can submit it to the security team. We'll take a lo

Re: libpam, cracklib, and slink (was Re: Release-critical...)

1999-01-21 Thread Joseph Carter
On Thu, Jan 21, 1999 at 06:49:43AM -0500, Johnie Ingram wrote: > Thomas> How do you know? You waited just 4 hours before drawing that > Thomas> conclusion. Isn't this a bit early? I mean, not everybody has > Thomas> an RJ45 jack implanted in one's body. > > Thankfully enough of us do, including th

Re: libpam, cracklib, and slink (was Re: Release-critical...)

1999-01-21 Thread Ben Collins
On Thu, Jan 21, 1999 at 09:48:33AM +0100, Thomas Adams wrote: > On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 10:31:57AM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: > > > Since no one else has spoken up, I will take over pam. I will also look > > How do you know? You waited just 4 hours before drawing that conclusion. Isn't > this a bit

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-21 Thread Roeland Th. Jansen
> Sorry for writing the same several times again. Since I have moved from > /var/spool/mail to /var/mail and back again, I know what's it like and > I know that having only one dir instead is more sane/clean than several > ones. well, I tend to agree here. I moved to /var/mail and added a symlink

Re: libpam, cracklib, and slink (was Re: Release-critical...)

1999-01-21 Thread Johnie Ingram
"Thomas" == Thomas Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Thomas> How do you know? You waited just 4 hours before drawing that Thomas> conclusion. Isn't this a bit early? I mean, not everybody has Thomas> an RJ45 jack implanted in one's body. Thankfully enough of us do, including the person who's bee

Re: libpam, cracklib, and slink (was Re: Release-critical...)

1999-01-21 Thread Thomas Adams
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 10:31:57AM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: > Since no one else has spoken up, I will take over pam. I will also look How do you know? You waited just 4 hours before drawing that conclusion. Isn't this a bit early? I mean, not everybody has an RJ45 jack implanted in one's body.

Re: Intent to package rolldice, blackjack

1999-01-21 Thread Buddha Buck
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > rolldice is a virtual dice roller that takes in a string on the command > line in the format used by some fantasy role playing games like Advanced > Dungeons & Dragons[1] and returns the result of the dice rolls. > > [1] Advanced Dungeons & Dragons is a re

Re: Intent to package rolldice, blackjack

1999-01-21 Thread Joseph Carter
On Thu, Jan 21, 1999 at 04:04:20AM -0500, Stevie Strickland wrote: > rolldice is a virtual dice roller that takes in a string on the command > line in the format used by some fantasy role playing games like Advanced > Dungeons & Dragons[1] and returns the result of the dice rolls. Just wondering,

Intent to package rolldice, blackjack

1999-01-21 Thread Stevie Strickland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- rolldice is a virtual dice roller that takes in a string on the command line in the format used by some fantasy role playing games like Advanced Dungeons & Dragons[1] and returns the result of the dice rolls. blackjack is a *very* simple blackjack game, which im

Re: Dpkg Update Proposal

1999-01-21 Thread Bruce Sass
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Andrew Pimlott wrote: <...> Hmmm, would the concept of meta-packages and a scheme for sharing common files (like the RH one described?) work. Packages could have their name extended with the version: foo_1.2.3-1 -> foo_1.2.3 foo_1.2.3-2 -> foo_1.2.3 foo_1.2.4-1 -> foo_1.2.4

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-21 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Jan 21, 1999 at 07:36:43PM +1100, Brian May wrote: > 1. web files owned by www-data:www-data (ie no group change), and the > web process executed by www:www (for instance). There is no need for > users to be members of root. This would require an extra UID and GID. But this won't allow reg

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-21 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 08:35:23PM +, Edward Betts wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jan, 1999, Brian May wrote: > > Maybe the web files should be owned by "www-data" and the web > > process should be owned by "www" or "httpd"? This way the > > descriptive names continue to make sense. Practical > > speaking

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-21 Thread Brian May
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: >On Wed, 20 Jan, 1999, Brian May wrote: >> Maybe the web files should be owned by "www-data" and the web >> process should be owned by "www" or "httpd"? This way the >> descriptive names continue to make sense. Practical >> speaking, it is probably just as

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-21 Thread Florian La Roche
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 11:53:32PM -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > > > Please think about it and stay with /var/spool/mail. > > Right now, /var/mail and /var/spool/mail both suffer the same problem: > whichever is used, some people need to use the other, hence it is a > *requirement* that both can

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-21 Thread H. Peter Anvin
> > Please think about it and stay with /var/spool/mail. Right now, /var/mail and /var/spool/mail both suffer the same problem: whichever is used, some people need to use the other, hence it is a *requirement* that both can be used by programs. Given that, it is better to use /var/mail, because t

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-21 Thread H. Peter Anvin
> > I agree. I also don't think it's a big deal. What's important is that > > all of the MUA's get compiled so that they look for the mail spool in > > /var/mail. If /var/mail is a symlink to /var/spool/mail, or /u3/mail, > > or something else --- that's fine. > > Adding that symlink can be don

Re: COLA

1999-01-21 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 20:56:52 +0100, Michael Meskes wrote: > Does anyone know how to place an announcement on cola (or whatever is en > vogue nowadays) with having news access? Quoting the sig on COLAs: "Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" HTH, Ray -- POPULATION

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-21 Thread Florian La Roche
> I agree. I also don't think it's a big deal. What's important is that > all of the MUA's get compiled so that they look for the mail spool in > /var/mail. If /var/mail is a symlink to /var/spool/mail, or /u3/mail, > or something else --- that's fine. Adding that symlink can be done easily by

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-21 Thread Florian La Roche
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 10:18:07AM -0500, Erik Troan wrote: > On 20 Jan 1999, Daniel Quinlan wrote: > > > 1. totally revert, drop /var/mail, and specify /var/spool/mail > > 2. partially revert, /var/spool/mail is a directory and /var/mail > > must be a symbolic link to it > > 3. allow a /va

Re: pseudo package for upgrades from hamm

1999-01-21 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Thu, Jan 21, 1999 at 04:48:04AM -, Robert Woodcock écrivait: > So, the gist of that is that dpkg has been left for dead (well, NMU hell > anyway) for a full year and there hasn't been *that* many complaints. > Just no new features. I don't agree. I don't want to blame anybody since i'am not

faure, albert, etc

1999-01-21 Thread Adam Heath
Sorry for the late follow up, but faure and albert are back up, and have been for several hours. There were no problems. Adam

COLA

1999-01-21 Thread Michael Meskes
Does anyone know how to place an announcement on cola (or whatever is en vogue nowadays) with having news access? I want to publish what I have so far on my trashcan suite before I completely run out of time. Michael -- Michael Meskes | Go SF 49ers! Th.-Heuss-Str. 61, D-4

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free --> non-dfsg)

1999-01-21 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 12:38:26PM -0600, Ossama Othman wrote: > It is amazing how people so are ready to snap at something that isn't as > bad as they make it seem. Please don't start quoting what I said. I know > what I said and I know what I meant. You are taking what I said way out > of cont

Re: What happened to hwclock?

1999-01-21 Thread Aaron Van Couwenberghe
On Thu, Jan 07, 1999 at 05:45:42PM +0530, Bruce Jackson wrote: > util-linux_2.9g-0.3.deb from potato is missing hwclock. The man page > and packages file claim it is there. Any idea where it went to? > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ..~$ dpkg -S hich hwclock util-linux: /sbin/hwclock [EMAIL PROTECTED] ..

Re: Missing packages files

1999-01-21 Thread Bob Nielsen
It must have been a temporary glitch, the files are now available. Bob On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Bob Nielsen wrote: > It seems that all the hamm and slink packages files, as well as those for > contrib and non-free (but not main) in potato are currently missing on > three mirrors I have checked today

Re: pseudo package for upgrades from hamm

1999-01-21 Thread Robert Woodcock
Martin A. Soto wrote: > >Many, *many* people has proposed this idea before. So many, that you >would be tempted to consider it a simple, natural, and straightforward >idea. Nonetheless, it seems that this far, it has been impossible to >make it part of dpkg, or even to start working on the necess

Re: Dpkg Update Proposal

1999-01-21 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 04:03:26PM -0500, fantumn Steven Baker" wrote: > Package Naming Scheme The problem is superficial. Sure, names should be more uniform, but all this requires is 1) ratifying naming standards and 2) ensuring that the packaging system handles name changes gracefully. > CVS

RE: possible debian cluster

1999-01-21 Thread Lonnie Sauter
Barak, I have setup a cluster of alphas (PC164LX 533Mhz). I maintain the darn thing also. I do not want the job, but as I found it hard to get ANYONE running an alpha beowulf cluster to help me, I offer my assitance whenever possible. I run Debian on the cluster and would not use anything else.

Re: Missing packages files

1999-01-21 Thread Bob Nielsen
Well, I have ldd also, but don't see the connection. ??? Bob On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Paul McDermott wrote: > here is what i get when doing a dpkg -S ldd > [paul:~]$ dpkg -S ldd > ldso: /usr/man/man1/ldd.1.gz > ldso: /usr/bin/ldd > tetex-base: /usr/lib/texmf/fonts/source/public/cm/olddig.mf > ldso:

Re: Developers in Cali...

1999-01-21 Thread Jim Pick
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote: > > > OK, in the past week or so I've seen several people posting from > > > California. Has anyone thought of having a gathering in some semi-central > > > location? Get to know faces, sign keys, etc? > > > > I would be

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free --> non-dfsg)

1999-01-21 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi Steve and Manoj, > Probably. I guess I just like a little more enthusiasm than "I'll abide > by the rules." Steve, I'm sorry I gave you that impression. I'm always talking about how great Debian is to my colleagues and always try to convince them to try and use Debian. You may not think so b

Re: packages.debian.org

1999-01-21 Thread James A. Treacy
On Wed, 20 Jan, 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Given that from your description swish++ sounds like a general purpose > indexer, which has been set up to index 'natural language' is it the best one > for our purposes? > Once I removed a few conditions for removing words from indexing that weren'

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free --> non-dfsg)

1999-01-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, [I am not disagreeing entirely] >>"Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joey> I think it's not necessary that a developer agree with the Joey> DFSG. It should be enough that they indicate they understand it Joey> and will abide by it in what they produce for debian.

Re: Bug#27050 (fdutils): A cause for security concern?

1999-01-21 Thread John Hasler
Wichert writes: > Have you tried running it [chronyd] as another user? No, but it doesn't seem too likely that a program that adjusts the system clock would work too well running as 'nobody'. It can also be an ntp server, though that is turned off in the default configuration. I looked around in

faure.debian.org & albert.debian.org system maintenance

1999-01-21 Thread Adam Heath
faure and albert(the 2 alphas hosted at novare for debian) are being taken down for a physical move. I estimate that they will be back up in 30 minutes. Sorry for the inconveniance.

More notes on Dpkg proposal

1999-01-21 Thread fantumn \(Steven Baker\)
Okay, after discussing this with a few people on #debian, and going over email, it seems that a) I am not qualified nor familiar with dpkg internals enough to do a project such as this, and did not realize it at first and b) too much of dpkg would have to be severly hacked and re-written. So, if

Re: Debian goes big business?

1999-01-21 Thread Buddha Buck
Ben Pfaff said: > Laurent Martelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >What about non-developper users ? Shouldn't they have a word to say, >even if they can't or do not have the time to contribute with code ? > > They should have `a word to say', and they do--they can subscribe to > Debian l

Re: Missing packages files

1999-01-21 Thread Paul McDermott
here is what i get when doing a dpkg -S ldd [paul:~]$ dpkg -S ldd ldso: /usr/man/man1/ldd.1.gz ldso: /usr/bin/ldd tetex-base: /usr/lib/texmf/fonts/source/public/cm/olddig.mf ldso: /usr/lib/lddstub php3-doc: /usr/doc/php3-doc/html/function.hw-getchilddoccollobj.html debhelper: /usr/man/man1/dh_build

Re: Follow-up

1999-01-21 Thread Buddha Buck
> Further versions of this proposal will be posted on the WWW, and the address > of such revisions will be posted to both -devel and -dpkg. Please don't do this. It is not easy for everyone on these lists to access material on the WWW. From past experience with other groups, it really breaks

Re: Debian v2.1 ("Slink") Deep Freeze

1999-01-21 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Steve Dunham wrote: > Brian White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > pilot-link31806 pilot-link: Can't build from source > > This bug was filed against the 0.9.0 package and the 0.8.11 package is > installed in slink. Thanks, I'll add it to my exclusion list tomorrow when I wake

Re: Bug#27050 (fdutils): A cause for security concern?

1999-01-21 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously John Hasler wrote: > It isn't. My chrony package includes a daemon that runs as root. I've > looked it over and don't see any holes, but I'm not a security expert. Have you tried running it as another user? Wichert. -- ===

Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?

1999-01-21 Thread Christoph Baumann
Hi! Someone mentioned the youth hostel at Hochspeyer. I know it. It is rather big and Hochspeyer has railroad connection to Kaiserslautern. Maybe I can also get a car to assist Thimo with transporting if someone wants to stay in Heidelberg (we have a youth hostel too, I can't offer sleeping place,

Intent to package: bnlib

1999-01-21 Thread James LewisMoss
This is a multiple precision library (I assume like gpm). It's used by toba (a java compiler/jit). It's packaged and waiting to be uploaded until I see whether the packages are complete enough to compile toba. It was downloaded from ftp://skip.incog.com/pub/bnlib-1.1.tar.gz Upstream Author(s):

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free --> non-dfsg)

1999-01-21 Thread Brian Mays
Joey Hess wrote: > > I think it's not necessary that a developer agree with the DFSG. It > > should be enough that they indicate they understand it and will > > abide by it in what they produce for debian. Then, Chris Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, but OTOH, it's a little hard to fatho

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