Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-07-27 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi all, some of you may have noticed a weird ffmpeg package in the NEW queue[1]. Let me explain: In 2011 Libav[2] was forked from FFmpeg[3]. It was a time of great uncertainty, the fork happened with much drama that didn't help making a technical cut, and at that peculiar time Debian switched to

Re: Bug#729203: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-07-27 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Reinhard, On 28.07.2014 02:05, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: * Does it make sense for me to switch my package? The rule of thumb is, if your upstream uses FFmpeg for development you probably want to switch to using it, too

Re: Bug#729203: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-07-28 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Julien, On 28.07.2014 10:44, Julien Cristau wrote: It remains to be seen, what the release team prefers: frustrated users and developers or both forks in jessie. The release team is likely to let the people involved in multimedia foo fight it out among themselves and pick a winner. I am n

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-07-28 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Holger, On 28.07.2014 13:22, Holger Levsen wrote: On Montag, 28. Juli 2014, Niv Sardi wrote: As described in Andreas thorough mail, there are only 2 packages that can't use both (and iirc they currently FTBFS as upstream uses FFmpeg) and 5 packages that could need a transition, so the releas

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-07-28 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
On 28.07.2014 12:20, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: * Do you intend to replace Libav by FFmpeg in Debian? No, there is no need to replace anything as long as it is maintained. Currently the main goal is to give multimedia maintainers a choice between the two sets

Re: Bug#729203: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-07-28 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
On 28.07.2014 13:24, Alessio Treglia wrote: On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 12:12 PM, "IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU)" wrote: Except that, for a lot of the depending packages, there would be an immediate benefit in the number of bugs fixed. at least in theory. Plus I would definitely appreciate

Re: Bug#729203: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-07-28 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
On 28.07.2014 13:52, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Mon, 28 Jul 2014, Norbert Preining wrote: On Sun, 27 Jul 2014, Reinhard Tartler wrote: In [1], Moritz from the security team clearly stated that he is more than uncomfortable with having more than one copy of libavcodec in debian/testin

Re: Bug#729203: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-07-29 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
b/debian/patches/CodecID.patch @@ -0,0 +1,51 @@ +Description: Rename CodecID to AVCodecID + +Author: Andreas Cadhalpun +Last-Update: <2014-07-29> + +--- bombono-dvd-1.2.2.orig/src/mgui/ffviewer.cpp bombono-dvd-1.2.2/src/mgui/ffviewer.cpp +@@ -62,7 +62,7 @@ C_LINKAGE_BEGIN +

Re: Bug#729203: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-07-29 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Raphael, On 29.07.2014 09:47, Raphael Geissert wrote: Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: According to the changelog[1], there have been 8 security updates for ffmpeg in squeeze. There would have been more You're right, my calculation is slightly flawed. but the code has evolved too much f

Re: Bug#729203: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-07-29 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
On 29.07.2014 21:59, Raphael Geissert wrote: On Tuesday 29 July 2014 18:43:17 Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: On 29.07.2014 09:47, Raphael Geissert wrote: Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: According to the changelog[1], there have been 8 security updates for ffmpeg in squeeze. There would have been more

Re: Bug#729203: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-07-29 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Russ, On 29.07.2014 23:30, Russ Allbery wrote: Andreas Cadhalpun writes: Given the amount of software in Debian and thus the amount of security fixes necessary for a stable release, I think that the additional stable-security uploads for FFmpeg in the order of 10 per release will be

Re: Bug#729203: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-07-29 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
On 30.07.2014 00:54, Russ Allbery wrote: Andreas Cadhalpun writes: I must have failed to make my point again. :( As far as I know there are hundreds of security updates (for all packages together) in the lifetime of a stable release. Compared to that 10 is not large. And, as I already

Re: Bug#729203: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-07-31 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Josselin, On 31.07.2014 21:54, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mercredi 30 juillet 2014 à 00:39 +0200, Andreas Cadhalpun a écrit : I must have failed to make my point again. :( No, you are the one who misunderstands the point. Thanks for sharing your opinion. As far as I know there are

Re: Bug#729203: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-07-31 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Didier, On 31.07.2014 22:36, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Le jeudi, 31 juillet 2014, 22.19:28 Pau Garcia i Quiles a écrit : How is it better to have libav, which does a lot less security bugfixing, in? Our security team has to prepare the libav updates over the lifetime of wheezy anyway.

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-07 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
user debian-le...@lists.debian.org usertags 729203 copyright-review-requested thanks Hi Charles, On 06.08.2014 13:55, Charles Plessy wrote: A few years ago, I made a proposal for peer-reviewing copyright files in the NEW queue. https://wiki.debian.org/CopyrightReview The goal is not to s

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-08 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Reinhard, On 08.08.2014 14:29, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Matthias Urlichs wrote: I intended to come up with a more timely full response, but I just didn't get to it so far. Thanks for explaining your point of view here. For now, please refer to http://lwn.ne

Re: Bug#729203: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-09 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Charles, On 09.08.2014 11:45, Charles Plessy wrote: I searched for license information missing from your debian/copyright and could find only one case, libavutil/x86/x86inc.asm, which is under the ISC license. The debian/copyright file of your package looks comprehensive to me. Many thanks

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-09 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Kieran, On 09.08.2014 19:26, Kieran Kunhya wrote: The reality is that in the current state of affairs static linking is the *only* way you are guaranteed to have the features you expect and avoid ABI mismatches. It's very complicated when your users complain about bugs in an underlying librar

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-10 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
jority of participants in this debate exhibit does not help with making progress on that front either. ... but I'm also under the impression that there is still too much bad blood between both upstreams for this to happen. On 10.08.2014 16:18, Reinhard Tartler wrote: > On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 a

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-16 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi, On 16.08.2014 17:49, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Nicolas George mailto:geo...@nsup.org>> wrote: The only option is to make sure the users do not suffer from the fork, by making sure they can easily use the version that is most suited for thei

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-17 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Russ, On 16.08.2014 18:33, Russ Allbery wrote: All the renaming and cordial co-existence in the world won't change this. The things that would change this is for one or both projects to develop a better security track record and a history of higher-quality code releases that require less ongo

Re: libfreerdp changed soname without transition - rebuilds necessary

2014-08-18 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi, On 18.08.2014 07:20, Dominik George wrote: the libfreerdp1 package changed its soname without a transition and without introducing a new package. That broke binary compatibility of at least remmina and libguac-client-rdp0 [0]. The bug report about this is: https://bugs.debian.org/757926

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-18 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Thomas, On 18.08.2014 08:36, Thomas Goirand wrote: There's been a very well commented technical reason stated here: the release team don't want to deal with 2 of the same library that are doing (nearly) the same things, with potentially the same security issues that we'd have to fix twice rat

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-18 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Moritz, On 18.08.2014 14:05, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote: Andreas Cadhalpun schrieb: On 18.08.2014 08:36, Thomas Goirand wrote: There's been a very well commented technical reason stated here: the release team don't want to deal with 2 of the same library that are doing (nearly

Re: Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-23 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi, On 17.08.2014 00:49, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: I have now sent the pkg-config patches to the BTS [1]. I have found a simpler way to make it possible to link packages not using pkg-config against FFmpeg in Debian: The lib*-ffmpeg-dev packages now install symbolic links from the standard

Re: Multiple suspend issues

2014-02-25 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Patrik, On 25.02.2014 13:50, Patrik Dufresne wrote: I've installed "jessie" on my laptop during the week-end. I do have many issues related to suspend. 1. Fn + F7 doesn't suspend the laptop. (was working in Debian wheezy) 2. Closing the Lid doesn't suspend either. I remember there was an op

Re: Bug#750817: ITP: x265 -- x265 HEVC Encoder

2014-06-10 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi, On 10.06.2014 02:06, Reinhard Tartler wrote: I took a first look at the package, and it builds a shared library by default (good). Unfortunately, it doesn't provide a proper SONAME: $ objdump -p libx265.so | grep SONAME SONAME libx265.so It does have a proper SONAME, when

Re: apt-get source linux behaves weird

2015-08-14 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Daniel, On 14.08.2015 08:10, Daniel Reichelt wrote: > when I do 'apt-get source linux' with jessie+sid enabled in sources.list, > there's no way to select jessie's ksrc version by target release. Neither > of these work: > > - apt-get source linux > - apt-get -t jessie source linux > - apt-get

Re: apt-get source linux behaves weird

2015-08-15 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Control: tag -1 patch On 15.08.2015 02:13, Russ Allbery wrote: > I believe the explanation is that selecting the distribution doesn't work > the way that you think it does. It just changes the prioritization used > for selecting packages to install, which is then ignored by the source > command.

Re: "PIE by default" transition is underway -- wiki needs updating

2016-10-25 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi, On 25.10.2016 13:55, Guillem Jover wrote: > I don't think the reasoning there is sound (as I've mentioned > elsewhere), and the policy bug should be closed. > > Switching from no-PIE to PIE by default preserves our current behavior > WRT static libraries vs shared libraries. The current poli

Re: Bug#837478: "PIE by default" transition is underway -- wiki needs updating

2016-10-26 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi, On 26.10.2016 05:26, Guillem Jover wrote: > On Wed, 2016-10-26 at 00:37:18 +0200, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: >> On 25.10.2016 13:55, Guillem Jover wrote: >>> For many static libraries, >>> making them embeddable into other shared libraries is really not >>>

Re: "PIE by default" transition is underway -- wiki needs updating

2016-10-26 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi, On 26.10.2016 05:37, Adam Borowski wrote: > What's your reason for building something as big and with as extensive > dependencies statically? Some parts of the test suite use private functions not exposed in the shared libraries, so they need the static libraries. > Let's delegate static l

Re: apt-get source linux behaves weird

2015-11-28 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Control: tag -1 patch Hi David, On 15.08.2015 13:40, David Kalnischkies wrote: > Control: tag -1 - patch > >> @@ -387,13 +388,15 @@ static pkgSrcRecords::Parser *FindSrc(const char >> *Name,pkgRecords &Recs, >> // See if we need to look for a specific release tag >> if (RelT

Re: apt-get source linux behaves weird

2015-11-30 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
On 29.11.2015 14:41, David Kalnischkies wrote: > On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 03:17:47AM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: >> One has to do: >> $ cd test/interactive-helper >> $ make aptwebserver > > A simple 'make' in the top-level directory builds this webserv

Re: apt-get source linux behaves weird

2015-11-30 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
On 29.11.2015 19:25, Josh Triplett wrote: > Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: >> The correct way would be to choose a new 'best hit', if either >> * there is a target release and it matches the release of the package, >> * or there is no target release >> and the ver