Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2018-05-07 Thread deloptes
Martin Steigerwald wrote: > I think mainly Akonadi, Nepomuk, Plasma, a bit also Phonon needs > quite some more stabilization and performance work. After 10years - those basic applications still cause problems ... and you call it "more stabilization and performance work" ... come on - jokes. The

Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2018-05-07 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Donnerstag 06 Mai 2010 schrieb Sune Vuorela: > On 2010-05-06, Curt Howland wrote: > > On Thursday 06 May 2010, Ana Guerrero was heard to say: > >> On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 03:17:43AM -0300, Jorge Gonçalves wrote: > >> > Maybe use dummy packages, or rename the packages so that KDE 3.5 > >> > coul

Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-28 Thread Steve
On Monday 17 May 2010, Dotan Cohen wrote: > I would not recommend playing with Activities until KDE 4.5 or even > 4.6. Until then Activities are a mess. However, for the general idea > of what they are, you might want to read this: > http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma#Activities_and_the_Zooming_User_In

Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-17 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 16 May 2010 19:43, Steve wrote: > On Thursday 06 May 2010, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >> The "KDE 4 sux" time has passed. If you still have problems with KDE >> 4, then please let me know what they are so that they can be fixed. >> >> Thanks! >> >> > I agree with this statement and to this end I bui

Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-16 Thread Steve
On Thursday 06 May 2010, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > The "KDE 4 sux" time has passed. If you still have problems with KDE > 4, then please let me know what they are so that they can be fixed. > > Thanks! > > I agree with this statement and to this end I built a sid sandbox to give KDE4 a whirl. I've j

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-12 Thread deloptes
Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: >> - ALL kde apps like kplayer/organizer and probably others start very >> slowly about 20-30secs to pop up > I really think you need to create a new profile. I am not seeing any of > this, having a kweather applet constantly on my desk, tried kmoon and > booting kde apps us

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-12 Thread Mike Bird
On Wed May 12 2010 11:47:27 Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 12 May 2010 13:21, deloptes wrote: > > - ALL kde apps like kplayer/organizer and probably others start very > > slowly about 20-30secs to pop up > > I think that you have something borked in your install. Are you testing in Squeeze or Sid or som

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-12 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 12 May 2010 13:21, deloptes wrote: > What I am missing now is also the old behavior from CTRL+ALT+DEL to get > prompt for reboot or shutdown - or whatever. Now this combination is > locking the screen. Was it adopted from newer windows? > No, that still works on my 4.4 system. >> Thanks. It

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-12 Thread Sjoerd Hardeman
deloptes schreef: I forgot to mention that the keyboard froze after pressing ALT+F2 and switching language settings Please, please comment on this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205369 The problem is that it was not iresponsive for just 10secs but forever. I see. Does that happen o

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-12 Thread deloptes
Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 11 May 2010 23:02, deloptes wrote: - weather >>> >> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/yaWP+%28Yet+Another+Weather+Plasmoid%29?content=94106 >> >> This was not working in 4.3 and I couldn't start it in 4.4. >> > > Interesting, it works on the Ubuntu box I test KDE

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-11 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 12 May 2010 02:26, deloptes wrote: > yes, exactly that's what I mean. the latin "k" has no equivalent in other > languages (in terms of key code). Windows is doing this wisely since the > beginning by setting the switch to ALT+SHIFT, which is language > independent. I like the abbility to chang

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-11 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 11 May 2010 23:02, deloptes wrote: >>> - weather >> > http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/yaWP+%28Yet+Another+Weather+Plasmoid%29?content=94106 > > This was not working in 4.3 and I couldn't start it in 4.4. > Interesting, it works on the Ubuntu box I test KDE on. >>> - korganizer >> >> Che

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-11 Thread deloptes
deloptes wrote: > I also think the 4.4 version is pretty usable and as soon as all > applications that I need are usable I will move to kde4. > Second impression is pretty good. For sure there are many small things to do but it looks and feels ok. I'll look forward to test and file bugs on it a

Re: Kde 3.5 ... (SOLVED)

2010-05-11 Thread deloptes
Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Said in a nice way, Dotan could you put this on your list and pass it to >> kde developers. I'm missing for sure the old bulgarian phonetic layout >> where w="в" and v="ж" and this is a showstopper for me. >> > > I can't, as I am not Bulgarian and I cannot triage. It might e

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-11 Thread deloptes
Richard Hartmann wrote: > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 22:02, deloptes wrote: > >> In kde3 the "idiots" didn't think of us poor people not using latin and >> associated per default ALT+K to switch the keymap. Now if you switch from >> english to rushian/bulgarian or whatever ALT+K gives a completely

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-11 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 22:02, deloptes wrote: > In kde3 the "idiots" didn't think of us poor people not using latin and > associated per default ALT+K to switch the keymap. Now if you switch from > english to rushian/bulgarian or whatever ALT+K gives a completely different > keycode ... So I had

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-11 Thread deloptes
Dotan Cohen wrote: I'm going to write a list and post it here. ATM I can not start korganizer. I have some time, so I would like to test 4.4. Thanks for pointing me to known bugs. I really don't have the patience to search. > > p kteatime

Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-11 Thread deloptes
Andrei Popescu wrote: > I'd rather think it's an Xorg issue (specifically the package xkb-data, > which contains all keyboard maps). > > Regards, > Andrei I'm not quite sure about it. I'll check. AFAIK it's kde mapping (at least it was in kde3). cheers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user

Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-11 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue,11.May.10, 20:58:33, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Said in a nice way, Dotan could you put this on your list and pass it to kde > > developers. I'm missing for sure the old bulgarian phonetic layout where > > w="в" and v="ж" and this is a showstopper for me. > > > > I can't, as I am not Bulgarian

Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-11 Thread Dotan Cohen
> Said in a nice way, Dotan could you put this on your list and pass it to kde > developers. I'm missing for sure the old bulgarian phonetic layout where > w="в" and v="ж" and this is a showstopper for me. > I can't, as I am not Bulgarian and I cannot triage. It might even be a Debian issue, not a

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-11 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 11 May 2010 13:50, deloptes wrote: > deloptes wrote: > > screenshot - I need at least those app/lets working to even start thinking > of using kde > > - teatime p kteatime - KDE 4 utility for making a fine cup of tea > - weather http://

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-11 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 11 May 2010 13:37, deloptes wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Hi, Dotan. > I'm not sure what makes you work for KDE but I hope that you can bring our > word to them. I have really a problem talking to programmers and software > people (in most of the cases), because they already think in routines

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-11 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 10 May 2010 23:41, consul tores wrote: > 2010/5/9 Dotan Cohen : >> On 8 May 2010 22:35, consul tores wrote: >>> 2010/5/8 Dotan Cohen : What useless information? I'd like to fix that if you will be more specific. >>> >>> Who are you figuring out you are, man? >>> >> A KDE contributor

Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-11 Thread Brad Rogers
On Tue, 11 May 2010 12:19:22 +0200 steef wrote: Hello steef, > this seems the answer where i was waiting for. Not exactly what you wanted, but I'm sure it'll suffice. > thanx agaian, You're welcome. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnev

Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-11 Thread deloptes
Teemu Likonen wrote: > * 2010-05-11 12:37 (+0200), delop...@yahoo.com wrote: > >> Dotan, please, be nice. > >> I hope you have patience and talk to kde guys, because I couldn't >> stand their young undeveloped developers brains > > Yes, being nice is really nice. > > yes, it's said in a quit

Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-11 Thread Teemu Likonen
* 2010-05-11 12:37 (+0200), delop...@yahoo.com wrote: > Dotan, please, be nice. > I hope you have patience and talk to kde guys, because I couldn't > stand their young undeveloped developers brains Yes, being nice is really nice. -- Feel free to Cc me your replies if you want to make sure I'l

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-11 Thread deloptes
deloptes wrote: screenshot - I need at least those app/lets working to even start thinking of using kde - teatime - weather - moon - clock/calendar - wireless manager - skype - korganizer - kwallet - cpu monitor - infrared control - powermanagement - keyboard - screen management (xrandr interfac

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-11 Thread deloptes
Dotan Cohen wrote: Hi, Dotan. I'm not sure what makes you work for KDE but I hope that you can bring our word to them. I have really a problem talking to programmers and software people (in most of the cases), because they already think in routines ... so the logic behind there thinking is not a h

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-11 Thread deloptes
Freeman wrote: > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 10:40:51PM -0700, evenso wrote: >> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 02:43:32AM +0200, deloptes wrote: >> >> . . . >> >> > >> > when is squeeze becoming stable?? >> > >> >> According to officialdom, approximately when the number of R-C bugs hits >> 300. That is

Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-11 Thread steef
Brad Rogers schreef: On Mon, 10 May 2010 15:11:45 +0200 Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: Hello Sjoerd, See http://www.lorentz.leidenuniv.nl/~sjoerd/files/schermafdruk.png. Translation of the popup-box: "copy selected files in /home/sjoerd to:" Not really needed; In Dolphin's 'Settings Menu'

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread Freeman
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 10:40:51PM -0700, evenso wrote: > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 02:43:32AM +0200, deloptes wrote: > > . . . > > > > > when is squeeze becoming stable?? > > > > According to officialdom, approximately when the number of R-C bugs hits 300. > That is the green line > here: htt

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread Freeman
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 02:43:32AM +0200, deloptes wrote: . . . > > when is squeeze becoming stable?? > > regards > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread deloptes
squeeze seem to have 4.3 inside. Did you mean sid to test future functionality that will probably go into 4.5?? kdebase-runtime-data 4:4.3.4-2 etc. I'll check sid next. when is squeeze becoming stable?? regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subj

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread consul tores
2010/5/9 Dotan Cohen : > On 8 May 2010 22:35, consul tores wrote: >> 2010/5/8 Dotan Cohen : >>> What useless information? I'd like to fix that if you will be more specific. >> >> Who are you figuring out you are, man? >> > A KDE contributor who is trying to help make KDE suitable for you. If > you

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 10 May 2010 19:56, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > You should get a better client.  Irrespective of your choice of client, it is > *your* responsibility to follow the Code of Conduct.  This includes only > sending CC's to posters the request it. I'll make an effort to edit the CC list, but I'l

Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread Brad Rogers
On Mon, 10 May 2010 15:11:45 +0200 Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: Hello Sjoerd, > See http://www.lorentz.leidenuniv.nl/~sjoerd/files/schermafdruk.png. > Translation of the popup-box: "copy selected files in /home/sjoerd to:" Not really needed; In Dolphin's 'Settings Menu' choose 'Configure Dolphin', a

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread Mike Bird
On Mon May 10 2010 07:14:32 Dotan Cohen wrote: > I can only assume that came from the KDE 3 manual, which I don't have > installed locally as I've stated that I am running KDE 4. Sure, I > could have stfw for it or installed KDE 3, but so could the parent > poster install KDE 4 and file his own b

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread Freeman
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 07:46:37AM +0100, Lisi wrote: > On Monday 10 May 2010 07:25:42 Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > :-)  Well said!  And is there not a list rule that replies should go only > > > : to > > > > > > the list unless a copy is specifically requested?  I find having these > > > commands arri

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Monday 10 May 2010 01:53:05 Dotan Cohen wrote: > [M]y choices are Reply (only to > lisi.re...@~) or to Reply All (to lisi.re...@~ and to debian-u...@~) > so you see that I _cannot_ reply to the list without replying to you > if I do not manually edit the CC list. You should get a better client.

Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 10 May 2010 17:34, Mihira Fernando wrote: > Also I believe it keeps > a list of most used locations as part of the option so that you can > just select from the list. > > Thanks, you might want to suggest that the Places menu be available in that dialogue, then, as that is the KDE 4 way of doi

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread Dotan Cohen
> I never used the feature (I generally do all my file management with cp, mv, > etc.), but I believe it worked like this: the user selecs some files, > activates that option, and provides a folder in the dialog. The selected > files are then copied to the specified folder. > > Nothing that can't b

Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread Mihira Fernando
On Mon, 10 May 2010 17:20:26 +0300 Dotan Cohen wrote: > > See http://www.lorentz.leidenuniv.nl/~sjoerd/files/schermafdruk.png. > > Translation of the popup-box: "copy selected files in /home/sjoerd > > to:" > > > > Here one would type the names of files that he wishes to copy? Does he > then per

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On Seg, 10 Mai 2010, Dotan Cohen wrote: See http://www.lorentz.leidenuniv.nl/~sjoerd/files/schermafdruk.png. Translation of the popup-box: "copy selected files in /home/sjoerd to:" Here one would type the names of files that he wishes to copy? Does he then perform a normal paste operation in t

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread Dotan Cohen
> See http://www.lorentz.leidenuniv.nl/~sjoerd/files/schermafdruk.png. > Translation of the popup-box: "copy selected files in /home/sjoerd to:" > Here one would type the names of files that he wishes to copy? Does he then perform a normal paste operation in the destination folder? One _work_arou

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 10 May 2010 16:08, Mike Bird wrote: > On Mon May 10 2010 05:48:37 Dotan Cohen wrote: >> What does "copy files" do then? Describe to me what it does and I will >> see if Dolphin can do that, or if it is reasonable I will file a >> feature request. > > Did you not know KDE has a builtin help syst

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread steef
Dotan Cohen schreef: On 10 May 2010 14:37, steef wrote: Dotan Cohen schreef: where is the copy-files option in 'edit', dolphin in kde4.x (in 3.5 edit> copy files in konqueror) or did my old eyes look not sharp enough? In KDE 4.4.2 I have Edit ->Copy in both Dolphin a

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread steef
Sjoerd Hardeman schreef: Dotan Cohen schreef: On 10 May 2010 14:37, steef wrote: Dotan Cohen schreef: where is the copy-files option in 'edit', dolphin in kde4.x (in 3.5 edit> copy files in konqueror) or did my old eyes look not sharp enough? In KDE 4.4.2 I have Edit -> Copy in both Dolph

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread Sjoerd Hardeman
Dotan Cohen schreef: On 10 May 2010 14:37, steef wrote: Dotan Cohen schreef: where is the copy-files option in 'edit', dolphin in kde4.x (in 3.5 edit> copy files in konqueror) or did my old eyes look not sharp enough? In KDE 4.4.2 I have Edit -> Copy in both Dolphin and in Konqueror. Can y

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread Mike Bird
On Mon May 10 2010 05:48:37 Dotan Cohen wrote: > What does "copy files" do then? Describe to me what it does and I will > see if Dolphin can do that, or if it is reasonable I will file a > feature request. Did you not know KDE has a builtin help system? Or are you trolling? "Edit->Copy Files (F7

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 10 May 2010 14:37, steef wrote: > Dotan Cohen schreef: >>> >>> where is the copy-files option in 'edit', dolphin in kde4.x (in 3.5 edit> >>> copy files in konqueror) or did my old eyes look not sharp enough? >>> >>> >> >> In KDE 4.4.2 I have Edit ->  Copy in both Dolphin and in Konqueror. Can >

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread steef
Dotan Cohen schreef: where is the copy-files option in 'edit', dolphin in kde4.x (in 3.5 edit> copy files in konqueror) or did my old eyes look not sharp enough? In KDE 4.4.2 I have Edit -> Copy in both Dolphin and in Konqueror. Can you send to me a screenshot of your Edit menu? What KDE

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 09:46:59AM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 9 May 2010 19:06, Mike Bird wrote: > > That is factually incorrect.  Dotan has replied to me+list > > on several occasions without permission. > > I did not know that I needed your permission to reply to you. > > > From the commen

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 03:18:27PM +0200, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: > Op 08-05-10 23:42, Lisi schreef: > > On Saturday 08 May 2010 20:35:47 consul tores wrote: > >>> Dotan Cohen > >> > >> Who are you in reality? Do you really think that i am going to obey your > >> orders? > > > > :-) Well said! An

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread deloptes
Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 8 May 2010 22:35, consul tores wrote: >> 2010/5/8 Dotan Cohen : >>> On 8 May 2010 15:32, consul tores wrote: the windows are absolutely useless, i can not use many, they have all kind of useless information; >> >>> What useless information? I'd like to fix that

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-10 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mon,10.May.10, 09:25:42, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Sorry for CCing to you messages that are meant for you, Lisi. If you > haven't noticed the mailing list headers are broken and Reply sends > messages off list. Therefore I use Reply All and oh nos, you get CCed. http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-

Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 10 May 2010 09:55, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: > If that is your task, I tink you'd better skip those non-contructive > comments. > There is a lot of constructive ones, that you can care about. > You are right, and I should know better than to feed the trolls. However, when the trolls accus

Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
> Dotan Cohen : > I expect you to dislike KDE 4, as it does not suit your needs! That is > quite why I ask what your problems are, so that I might fix them. If that is your task, I tink you'd better skip those non-contructive comments. There is a lot of constructive ones, that you can care about.

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 10 May 2010 09:46, Lisi wrote: >> Sorry for CCing to you messages that are meant for you, Lisi. If you >> haven't noticed the mailing list headers are broken and Reply sends >> messages off list. Therefore I use Reply All and oh nos, you get CCed. >> I apologize for sending to you "commands" in

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 9 May 2010 19:06, Mike Bird wrote: > On Sun May 9 2010 06:18:27 Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: >> It is a list rule to reply only to list *unless asked otherwise*. In >> this case, Dotan asks otherwise, so what's the problem. > > That is factually incorrect.  Dotan has replied to me+list > on several o

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread Lisi
On Monday 10 May 2010 07:25:42 Dotan Cohen wrote: > > :-)  Well said!  And is there not a list rule that replies should go only > > : to > > > > the list unless a copy is specifically requested?  I find having these > > commands arriving in my personal (as opposed to list) folder a nuisance. > >  I

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 9 May 2010 18:02, Lisi wrote: > I have already forwarded them to the list and would gladly send them on to you > if you were to ask me to do so.  But list policy is to stay on list unless > requested to do otherwise. ;-) > > The last one in particular was personal, rude and unpleasant.  He is n

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 9 May 2010 17:00, Lisi wrote: > I do *not* ask otherwise and Dotan has been sending long, rude, unpleasant > emails direct to me. What "long, rude, unpleasant emails" have I sent to you? Go ahead, post everything that I've ever sent to you here. I've sent mails only as long as the demands of y

Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
> Lisi : > I do not have to give him reasons for my dislike. Your mind really suites proprietary softwares. -- Architecte Informatique chez Blueline/Gulfsat: Administration Systeme, Recherche & Developpement +261 34 29 155 34 / +261 33 11 207 36 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread Dotan Cohen
> where is the copy-files option in 'edit', dolphin in kde4.x (in 3.5 edit> > copy files in konqueror) or did my old eyes look not sharp enough? > In KDE 4.4.2 I have Edit -> Copy in both Dolphin and in Konqueror. Can you send to me a screenshot of your Edit menu? What KDE version? -- Dotan Cohe

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread Dotan Cohen
> :-)  Well said!  And is there not a list rule that replies should go only to > the list unless a copy is specifically requested?  I find having these > commands arriving in my personal (as opposed to list) folder a nuisance.  I > filter for a reason! > Sorry for CCing to you messages that are me

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 8 May 2010 22:35, consul tores wrote: > 2010/5/8 Dotan Cohen : >> On 8 May 2010 15:32, consul tores wrote: >>> the windows are absolutely useless, i can not >>> use many, they have all kind of useless information; > >> What useless information? I'd like to fix that if you will be more specific

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread Alan Ianson
On Sun May 9 2010 02:35:02 pm Lisi wrote: > I am, however, very sad that KDE 3.5, which I regard as the pinnacle of > DE's, is being laid to rest. We are in agreement here Lisi. It's not that I don't like kde4 it's just that I'd like to keep what I have since it does just what I want/need it to

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread Lisi
On Sunday 09 May 2010 20:35:00 Florian Kulzer wrote: > I never said that it was not. I was expressing my bewilderment with > people who seem to get offended when someone offers to submit upstream > bugs on their behalf if only they would tell him the details of their > problems, just because he may

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 09:18:05 -0700, Mike Bird wrote: > On Sun May 9 2010 08:20:40 Florian Kulzer wrote: > (snip) > > That is fine, of course, but why do you bother the list with your > > grievances if your mind is already made up and you are not willing to > > work with the people who care abou

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread Mike Bird
On Sun May 9 2010 08:20:40 Florian Kulzer wrote: (snip) > That is fine, of course, but why do you bother the list with your > grievances if your mind is already made up and you are not willing to > work with the people who care about making KDE4 better? Do you just want > to use the list as your pe

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread Mike Bird
On Sun May 9 2010 06:18:27 Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: > It is a list rule to reply only to list *unless asked otherwise*. In > this case, Dotan asks otherwise, so what's the problem. That is factually incorrect. Dotan has replied to me+list on several occasions without permission. From the comments

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 15:00:31 +0100, Lisi wrote: [...] > I do *not* ask otherwise and Dotan has been sending long, rude, unpleasant > emails direct to me. That is what I am complaining about. On-list complaints about unsolicited CC'ing are also against the code of conduct, so you are at lea

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread Sjoerd Hardeman
Op 09-05-10 17:02, Lisi schreef: > On Sunday 09 May 2010 15:30:35 Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: >>> Perhaps you should read Dotan's last two emails to me (especially the >>> last one) before complaining about my complaint. >> >> Well, that's kind of hard since they are sent to you. Unless you want me >> t

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread Lisi
On Sunday 09 May 2010 15:30:35 Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: > > Perhaps you should read Dotan's last two emails to me (especially the > > last one) before complaining about my complaint. > > Well, that's kind of hard since they are sent to you. Unless you want me > to hack your mailbox ;) > > > And my cr

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread Sjoerd Hardeman
Op 09-05-10 16:00, Lisi schreef: >> It is a list rule to reply only to list *unless asked otherwise*. In >> this case, Dotan asks otherwise, so what's the problem. > > I do *not* ask otherwise and Dotan has been sending long, rude, unpleasant > emails direct to me. That is what I am complaining

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread Lisi
On Sunday 09 May 2010 14:18:27 Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: > Op 08-05-10 23:42, Lisi schreef: > > On Saturday 08 May 2010 20:35:47 consul tores wrote: > >>> Dotan Cohen > >> > >> Who are you in reality? Do you really think that i am going to obey your > >> orders? > >> > > :-) Well sai

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread steef
Dotan Cohen schreef: No - that is the problem!! I loved KDE 3.5.x and have become quite slick with it. KDE 4 is different. I don't like it. If I have to, in effect, change DE, and go through the learning curve again, there is no reason why it would have to be to KDE 4. This is a very v

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread steef
sjoerd: completely agreed! steef van duin Sjoerd Hardeman schreef: Op 08-05-10 23:42, Lisi schreef: On Saturday 08 May 2010 20:35:47 consul tores wrote: Dotan Cohen Who are you in reality? Do you really think that i am going to obey your orders? :-) Well

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread Sjoerd Hardeman
Op 08-05-10 23:42, Lisi schreef: > On Saturday 08 May 2010 20:35:47 consul tores wrote: >>> Dotan Cohen >> >> Who are you in reality? Do you really think that i am going to obey your >> orders? > > :-) Well said! And is there not a list rule that replies should go only to > the list unless a co

Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-09 Thread Lisi
I seem not to have forwarded this, although I forwarded the others. And Dotan seems to have circulated it, but not to here. So, for completeness in the thread, herewith: -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: Kde 3.5 ... Date: Friday 07 May 2010 From: Dotan Cohen To: Lisi

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-08 Thread Lisi
On Saturday 08 May 2010 20:35:47 consul tores wrote: > > Dotan Cohen > > Who are you in reality? Do you really think that i am going to obey your > orders? :-) Well said! And is there not a list rule that replies should go only to the list unless a copy is specifically requested? I find having

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-08 Thread consul tores
2010/5/8 Dotan Cohen : > On 8 May 2010 15:32, consul tores wrote: >> the windows are absolutely useless, i can not >> use many, they have all kind of useless information; > What useless information? I'd like to fix that if you will be more specific. Who are you figuring out you are, man? >> the

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-08 Thread Sjoerd Hardeman
And now to the list. Goran, my apologies Op 08-05-10 06:49, godo schreef: > > >> >> Please do not judge KDE4 by not being a copy of KDE 3.5. If that was the >> >> case, there would be no point in making a new version anyway. The >> >> important question is whether KDE lacks functionality that shou

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-08 Thread Mike Bird
On Sat May 8 2010 08:25:07 Dotan Cohen wrote: > So long as you are not loading Qt3 libraries in addition to the Qt4 > libraries, KDE 4 is lighter on RAM than KDE 3. You can really feel it, > too. Note that many Debian KDE 3.5 installations include both QT3 and QT4, e.g. to support kdebluetooth or

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-08 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 8 May 2010 15:32, consul tores wrote: > the windows are absolutely useless, i can not > use many, they have all kind of useless information; What useless information? I'd like to fix that if you will be more specific. > the menu, needs 3 > times more clicks than 3.5; Can you be more specifi

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-08 Thread Dotan Cohen
> I'm sorry, maybe I'm to new to all this stuff and to old fashioned but isn't > the point in new version make her free of bugs, faster, lighter etc.? Whats > happened to KISS? > > When I was on Windows I hate so much when in every new version everything > was different and I was losing days to fin

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-08 Thread Dotan Cohen
> The unexpected forced downgrade from KDE 3.5 to 4 in Sid actually > ended up being a good thing for me. (the loss of the ability to have a > different background for each desktop was a KDE showstopper.  So the > forced downgrade prompted me to actually take a serious look at other > desktop envir

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-08 Thread Dotan Cohen
> No - that is the problem!!  I loved KDE 3.5.x and have become quite slick with > it.  KDE 4 is different.  I don't like it.  If I have to, in effect, change > DE, and go through the learning curve again, there is no reason why it would > have to be to KDE 4. This is a very valid point that seems

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-08 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, May 08, 2010 at 08:58:59AM +0100, Lisi wrote: > I have not evaded the question. I have pointed out that I prefer things that > are functional to things that are showy. In that case you might want to consider fvwm? -- "Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet." --

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-08 Thread consul tores
2010/5/7 godo : > >> Please do not judge KDE4 by not being a copy of KDE 3.5. If that was the >> case, there would be no point in making a new version anyway. The >> important question is whether KDE lacks functionality that should be >> there (this includes, but is not limited to, functionality pr

Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-08 Thread Lisi
Sorry, list - sent to me privately again, and messing up my email client! -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: Kde 3.5 ... Date: Friday 07 May 2010 From: Lisi To: Dotan Cohen On Friday 07 May 2010 17:17:52 you wrote: > On 7 May 2010 11:56, Lisi wrote: > > On Thursd

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-07 Thread godo
Please do not judge KDE4 by not being a copy of KDE 3.5. If that was the case, there would be no point in making a new version anyway. The important question is whether KDE lacks functionality that should be there (this includes, but is not limited to, functionality present in KDE <4) and if tha

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-07 Thread Scarletdown
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Lisi wrote: > No - that is the problem!!  I loved KDE 3.5.x and have become quite slick with > it.  KDE 4 is different.  I don't like it.  If I have to, in effect, change > DE, and go through the learning curve again, there is no reason why it would > have to be to

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-07 Thread Lisi
On Friday 07 May 2010 12:28:03 Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: > Please do not judge KDE4 by not being a copy of KDE 3.5. If that was the > case, there would be no point in making a new version anyway. The > important question is whether KDE lacks functionality that should be > there (this includes, but is

Re: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-07 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 7 May 2010 11:56, Lisi wrote: > On Thursday 06 May 2010 18:22:18 you wrote: >> >> You still have gnustep, xfce, lxde, no using any or simply never >> >> upgrade. >> > >> > I have looked at all those, in addition to KDE 4 and Gnome. None appeals >> > to me. Each has something that I strongly d

Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-07 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 6 May 2010 23:15, Richard Hartmann wrote: > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 18:14, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> System Settings -> Input and Output >> RightClick -> New -> Global Shortcut -> Command > > It's called "Input Actions". > But yes, this works. Still, the current way things are done are > less tha

Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-07 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 6 May 2010 22:51, Richard Hartmann wrote: > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 21:27, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> Mine is in Hebrew, but there should be a "View" menu, then "Previews". Click >> it! > > Funny, never noticed that. The setting is not persistant over all > directories, though. > Change that in

Re: Linux Zimbra front ends - was Re: Kde 3.5 ... (Maybe OT)

2010-05-07 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2010-05-07 at 06:46 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Thu,06.May.10, 22:36:43, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > For a web client, it is outstanding, but it still has serious > > limitations to be an Outlook replacement and we are looking to replace > > many thousands of Outlook installat

Re: TOra with Oracle support (was: Re: Kde 3.5 ...)

2010-05-07 Thread deloptes
Cassiano Leal wrote: > On 6 May 2010 14:06, deloptes wrote: >> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >>> >>> Yes, KDE 4 seems to be much better for the average Joe. But that is >>> the reason that power users suffer at the moment! A.Joe already has >>> Gnome... >>> >>> >> >> Exactly! OK, I'll look forward to tes

Re: Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...

2010-05-07 Thread Sjoerd Hardeman
Please tell me what KDE 4.4 is missing, or what it has that you dislike. I can help address those issues. I doubt it, because I think that the problem is the basic philosophy. They have sacrificed funtionality in favour of glitz. E.g. 1. You cannot turn off all those horrible, and to me actu

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