On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 03:52:43PM -0700, Liontaur wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Gary Kline wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 08:06:02PM -0700, Liontaur wrote:
> > > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Mikle Krutov > >wrote:
> > >
> > > It's not on your list but I just got an HP 210-
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Gary Kline wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 08:06:02PM -0700, Liontaur wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Mikle Krutov >wrote:
> >
> > It's not on your list but I just got an HP 210-1010CA Mini Netbook (for
> > work) that i'm going to test with FreeBSD.
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Mikle Krutov wrote:
> Hello, list!
> I'm going to buy a netbook soon, so a question is which one.
> The choice is between
> 1) Samsung N127
> 2) ASUS Eee PC 900AX
> 3) MSI U120-094
> Which one is the best for running FreeBSD?
> "The best" mainly is for opensource (e
Cc:
> > Subject: Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)
> >
> > On October 20, 2010 03:46:06 pm Bob Hall wrote:
> > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
> > > > On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, O
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Arthur Chance wrote:
> Dredging up physics unused for 30+ years, ferrite is ferromagnetic and
> intensifies magnetic fields so a coil of wire with ferrite inside is a
> massively bigger inductor then an empty coil. I vaguely remember that brass
> is slightly diamag
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010, Gary Kline wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 02:26:36PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> > > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:15:46 -0700
> > > From: Gary Kline
[..]
> > > The thing about the memsticks is that on my tower cases, you
> > > have to get down and crawl around and find
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 02:26:36PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:15:46 -0700
> > From: Gary Kline
> > Sender: owner-freebsd-mob...@freebsd.org
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:32:01AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
> > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Gary Kline wr
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:33:46 +0200
Polytropon articulated:
> umass0: on
> uhub2 da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
> da0: Removable Direct Access SCSI-0
> device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers
> da0: Attempt to query device size failed: UNIT ATTENTION, Medium not
> present umass0: at uhub2 port
My first machine was an IBM 1620, but hey, at least we had an actual disk.
A couple of 2311's.
To quote a fellow I used to consult for, two days' I had solved a
particularly nasty programming problem for his company, "But what have you
done for us lately?"
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:57 AM, RW
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:32:23 +0100
Arthur Chance wrote:
> On 10/21/10 13:38, RW wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:10:28 +0100
> > Arthur Chance wrote:
> >
> >
> >> 50s) had the experience of programming microcode on a machine by
> >> inserting brass slugs for 0s and ferrite slugs for 1s on a pin
David Brodbeck writes:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Lowell Gilbert
> wrote:
>> The plug isn't the issue. Drivers are.
>
> Fortunately, USB mass storage devices are highly standardized. One of
> the things they got right.
ATAPI devices passed through a converter to USB often don't work a
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:01:56 -0500, Antonio Olivares
wrote:
> This is true. I had some problems making a usb mouse work, but I had
> to manually plug it in to different usb slots till it worked from the
> start. The keyboard(usb) sometimes takes a while longer to respond
> than the PS2 one, but
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Polytropon wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:54:21 -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
>> Fortunately, USB mass storage devices are highly standardized. One of
>> the things they got right.
>
> Highly, but not fully. In some cases, manufacturers "know better"
> and produc
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:33:46 +0200
Polytropon wrote:
> I couldn't not format it (it was some FAT format on it) as it
> detached from the system by itself as soon as accessed.
It might just have been faulty. If it couldn't be accessed as a normal
device, how would the driver get installed in the
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 01:38:44PM +0100, RW wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:10:28 +0100
> Arthur Chance wrote:
> > 50s) had the experience of programming microcode on a machine by
> > inserting brass slugs for 0s and ferrite slugs for 1s on a pin board.
>
> I wonder why it was brass/ferrite rath
On 10/21/10 13:38, RW wrote:
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:10:28 +0100
Arthur Chance wrote:
50s) had the experience of programming microcode on a machine by
inserting brass slugs for 0s and ferrite slugs for 1s on a pin board.
I wonder why it was brass/ferrite rather than brass/empty or
ferrite/em
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:10:28 +0100
Arthur Chance wrote:
> 50s) had the experience of programming microcode on a machine by
> inserting brass slugs for 0s and ferrite slugs for 1s on a pin board.
I wonder why it was brass/ferrite rather than brass/empty or
ferrite/empty.
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:54:21 -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
> Fortunately, USB mass storage devices are highly standardized. One of
> the things they got right.
Highly, but not fully. In some cases, manufacturers "know better"
and produce memory sticks that don't work on FreeBSD as they do
require
> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu Oct 21 02:18:28 2010
> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:20:07 +0100
> From: Arthur Chance
> To: FreeBSD-Questions
> Subject: Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)
>
> On 10/20/10 23:07, Gary Kline wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2
> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Wed Oct 20 15:04:17 2010
> From: Mike Jeays
> To: Bob Hall ,
> FreeBSD Mailing List
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:05:34 -0400
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)
>
> On October 20, 2010 03:46:0
On 20 October 2010 21:10, Arthur Chance wrote:
> On 10/20/10 20:46, Bob Hall wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote:
>>>
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> Matthi
Hi,
Reference:
> From: David Brodbeck
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:58:40 -0700
> Message-id:
David Brodbeck wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Arthur Chance wrote:
> > On 10/20/10 20:46, Bob Hall wrote:
> > Getting back to reality, although I never did it (fortunately
g Ideapads generally though because of ACPI issues.
Peter Harrison
www.4harrisons.blogspot.com
-
From: "David Brodbeck"
Subject: Re: Netbooks & BSD
Date: 20th October 2010 19:33
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Gary Kline wrote:
>
"Svein Skogen (Listmail account)" wrote:
> On 20.10.2010 09:47, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> > Matthias Apitz wrote:
> >> El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline
> >> escribi?:
> >>> PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX
> >>> 780 days :-)
On 10/20/10 23:07, Gary Kline wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 09:10:28PM +0100, Arthur Chance wrote:
On 10/20/10 20:46, Bob Hall wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 07:25:14PM -0400, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
>
> And I'm appalled that my phone has more horsepower than a dual-cpu VAX
> 11/780 with a floating-point accelerator. That just doesn't seem right.
What I find appalling is that most of the extra power on my smartphone is
wasted on
Unix, v6, on a PDP-11 (although I can't recall which model), circa 1977.
Got away from it for a bit, then landed in the middle of the v6-v7 shift
and the BSD takeover a couple of years later. Still recall being amazed
by the Fujitsu Eagle ("small" form factor, "large" capacity).
And I'm appalled
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Chip Camden
wrote:
> Quoth David Brodbeck on Wednesday, 20 October 2010:
>
>> Now, the USB keyboard protocol...ugh, they really dropped the ball on
>> that one. It's standardized, which is good, but it's a polling
>> interface and tends to occasionally lose events
Quoth David Brodbeck on Wednesday, 20 October 2010:
> Now, the USB keyboard protocol...ugh, they really dropped the ball on
> that one. It's standardized, which is good, but it's a polling
> interface and tends to occasionally lose events under high CPU load,
> which is bad. Especially if it's a
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 09:10:28PM +0100, Arthur Chance wrote:
> On 10/20/10 20:46, Bob Hall wrote:
> >On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
> >>On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote:
> >>>On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> Matthi
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Arthur Chance wrote:
> On 10/20/10 20:46, Bob Hall wrote:
> Getting back to reality, although I never did it (fortunately), a friend of
> mine who was about a decade older than me (I'm mid/late 50s) had the
> experience of programming microcode on a machine by inse
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Lowell Gilbert
wrote:
> The plug isn't the issue. Drivers are.
Fortunately, USB mass storage devices are highly standardized. One of
the things they got right.
Now, the USB keyboard protocol...ugh, they really dropped the ball on
that one. It's standardized, w
Gary Kline writes:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:32:01AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Gary Kline wrote:
>> > Sure, the optical uses [I think] a USB connector. Pretty sure
>> > that all these tiny "toys" are made at one factory! and then
>> >
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:15:46 -0700
> From: Gary Kline
> Sender: owner-freebsd-mob...@freebsd.org
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:32:01AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Gary Kline wrote:
> > > Sure, the optical uses [I think] a USB connector. Pretty
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:32:01AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Gary Kline wrote:
> > Sure, the optical uses [I think] a USB connector. Pretty sure
> > that all these tiny "toys" are made at one factory! and then
> > labeled by the vendor.
On 10/20/10 20:46, Bob Hall wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
Matthias Apitz wrote:
El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gar
On October 20, 2010 03:46:06 pm Bob Hall wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
> > On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote:
> > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> > >> Matthias Apitz wrote:
> > >>> El d?a Tuesday, October 19
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
> On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> >> Matthias Apitz wrote:
> >>> El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline
> >>> escribi?:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Gary Kline wrote:
> Sure, the optical uses [I think] a USB connector. Pretty sure
> that all these tiny "toys" are made at one factory! and then
> labeled by the vendor. If all the opticals are essentially
> the same, then great.
I t
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 08:26:14AM +0200, Uffe Jakobsen wrote:
>
>
> On 20/10/10 04.29, Gary Kline wrote:
> >
> >
> > $150 is seriously in my price range [!] But what about the
> > optical drive? If I can buy one on sale and install FBSD from a
> > CD or DVD, do all optivcal drive f
On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
>> Matthias Apitz wrote:
>>> El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline
>>> escribi?:
PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:32:58AM +0200, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote:
> On 20.10.2010 09:47, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> > Matthias Apitz wrote:
> >> El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline
> >> escribi?:
> >>> PS: I really _was_ current on hardware st
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> Matthias Apitz wrote:
> > El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline
> > escribi?:
> > > PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX
> > > 780 days :-)
> > I booted my first
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 00:47:38 -0700
> From: per...@pluto.rain.com
> Sender: owner-freebsd-mob...@freebsd.org
>
> Matthias Apitz wrote:
> > El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline
> > escribi?:
> > > PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX
On 20 Oct 2010 at 10:32, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote:
> On 20.10.2010 09:47, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> > Matthias Apitz wrote:
> >> El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline
> >> escribi?:
> >>> PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in th
On October 20, 2010 03:47:38 am per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> Matthias Apitz wrote:
> > El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline
escribi?:
> > > PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX
> > > 780 days :-)
> >
> > I booted my first UNIX V7 ta
On 10/20/10 09:32, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote:
On 20.10.2010 09:47, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
Matthias Apitz wrote:
El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline escribi?:
PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX
780 d
On 20.10.2010 09:47, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> Matthias Apitz wrote:
>> El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline escribi?:
>>> PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX
>>> 780 days :-)
>> I booted my first UNIX V7 tape on a PDP-11 aro
Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline escribi?:
> > PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX
> > 780 days :-)
> I booted my first UNIX V7 tape on a PDP-11 around 1982, I think.
Gotcha beat :) UNIX V6, PDP-11/34
On 20/10/10 04.29, Gary Kline wrote:
$150 is seriously in my price range [!] But what about the
optical drive? If I can buy one on sale and install FBSD from a
CD or DVD, do all optivcal drive fit all notebooks?
With a few things that I probably will buy.
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 07:26:01AM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline escribió:
>
> > PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX
> > 780 days :-)
>
> I booted my first UNIX V7 tape on a PDP-11 around 198
El día Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline escribió:
> PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX
> 780 days :-)
I booted my first UNIX V7 tape on a PDP-11 around 1982, I think.
matthias
--
Matthias Apitz
t +49-89-61308 351 - f
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 22:50:05 -0400, Mike Jeays
wrote:
On October 19, 2010 10:29:46 pm Gary Kline wrote:
$150 is seriously in my price range [!] But what about the
optical drive? If I can buy one on sale and install FBSD from a
CD or DVD, do all optivcal drive fit a
On October 19, 2010 10:29:46 pm Gary Kline wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 02:53:30PM -0600, Warren Block wrote:
> > On Tue, 19 Oct 2010, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> > >El d?a Sunday, October 17, 2010 a las 12:17:16PM -0600, Warren Block
escribi?:
> > >>On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> >
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 02:53:30PM -0600, Warren Block wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Oct 2010, Matthias Apitz wrote:
>
> >El d?a Sunday, October 17, 2010 a las 12:17:16PM -0600, Warren Block
> >escribi?:
> >
> >>On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> >>
> >>>Any alternative netbooks outside Asus whic
The cheapo way, if you get a model without a harddisk, is a compact flash
card with an adapter for a few bucks. I currently have this combination
in my Thinkpad (although its an ata to CF-adapter). Works great,
lightweight, shockproof and reads really fast from the 'harddisk'.
Downside is the slowe
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010, Matthias Apitz wrote:
El d?a Sunday, October 17, 2010 a las 12:17:16PM -0600, Warren Block escribi?:
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, Matthias Apitz wrote:
Any alternative netbooks outside Asus which run FreeBSD?
Of course. The Acer Aspire models vary, but the D250 is nice.
Jus
El día Sunday, October 17, 2010 a las 12:17:16PM -0600, Warren Block escribió:
> On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, Matthias Apitz wrote:
>
> > Any alternative netbooks outside Asus which run FreeBSD?
>
> Of course. The Acer Aspire models vary, but the D250 is nice.
Just to make sure: you mean the "Acer Asp
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, Matthias Apitz wrote:
Any alternative netbooks outside Asus which run FreeBSD?
Of course. The Acer Aspire models vary, but the D250 is nice.
http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/index.html
___
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing
Mikle Krutov writes:
> Hello, list!
> I'm going to buy a netbook soon, so a question is which one.
> The choice is between
> 1) Samsung N127
> 2) ASUS Eee PC 900AX
> 3) MSI U120-094
> Which one is the best for running FreeBSD?
> "The best" mainly is for opensource (e.g. not ndis) & stable wireles
El día Wednesday, October 06, 2010 a las 09:33:08AM -0400, bdsf...@att.net
escribió:
> +1 on EeePC, mine being the 1000. This uses a not-yet-supported wireless
> card (rt2860), but a driver is available and seems to work fine:
> http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=7010
> http://repo.or.c
On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 04:45:35PM -0400, bdsf...@att.net wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:54:35 -0400, Gary Kline wrote:
> >
> >
> > This brings a question to mind; maybe you know; maybe somebody
> > else on the list does. Say that I buy an EEE 10" Atom, max out
> > the memory and go
On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 09:33:08AM -0400, bdsf...@att.net wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 15:50:12 -0400, Matthias Apitz
> wrote:
>
> >El día Monday, October 04, 2010 a las 11:33:02PM +, Mikle
> >Krutov escribió:
> >
> >>Hello, list!
> >>I'm going to buy a netbook soon, so a question is which on
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 15:50:12 -0400, Matthias Apitz
wrote:
El día Monday, October 04, 2010 a las 11:33:02PM +, Mikle Krutov
escribió:
Hello, list!
I'm going to buy a netbook soon, so a question is which one.
The choice is between
1) Samsung N127
2) ASUS Eee PC 900AX
3) MSI U120-094
Whi
El día Monday, October 04, 2010 a las 11:33:02PM +, Mikle Krutov escribió:
> Hello, list!
> I'm going to buy a netbook soon, so a question is which one.
> The choice is between
> 1) Samsung N127
> 2) ASUS Eee PC 900AX
> 3) MSI U120-094
> Which one is the best for running FreeBSD?
> "The best"
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 18:33, Mikle Krutov wrote:
> Hello, list!
> I'm going to buy a netbook soon, so a question is which one.
> The choice is between
> 1) Samsung N127
> 2) ASUS Eee PC 900AX
> 3) MSI U120-094
> Which one is the best for running FreeBSD?
> "The best" mainly is for opensource (e.
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