Format CFRM couple dataset

2013-11-05 Thread Jorge Garcia
Hello group: Our actual CFRM CDS is formated with ITEM NAME(CF) NUMBER(2). This isn't the actual situacion and we want update the dataset with ITEM NAME(CF) NUMBER(1). Our CFRM policy is updated with one CF but when we want to add the new CFRM CDS the sysplex reject with: IXC255I UNABLE TO

soft capping query

2013-11-05 Thread Tommy Tsui
hi all, I want to clarify, if the relative weight is 531msu for only one lpar, the defined capacity = 350 msu, this lpar may enjoy the 4 hour rolling average exceed the defined capacity if first 2 hours utilized ony 100msu, is it right, if this lpar keep continue busy greater than defined

Re: soft capping query

2013-11-05 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
No, not exactly this way. After IPL the LPAR starts off with a blank history, wich means zero MSU's for the last 4 hours. So it can use 700 MSU for the first 2 hours before being capped, because than the 4 hour average is 350 MSU. Or it can use 466 MSU for the first 3 hours etc. etc. The 4 hour

Re: Format CFRM couple dataset

2013-11-05 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Yes, it is very difficult to lower CDS parameters. But why would you do so? The value only designates the maximum for which the CDS is formatted and does not cost anything, except a few tracks of space maybe. It is probably not worth the effort to reclaim these tracks. Kees. -Original

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread DASDBILL2
I have a former software developer colleague who is now teaching math at a large state university.  He agrees with me that colleges and universities should educate young minds rather than train them for careers.  His preference is to teach students how to think about mathematics rather than how

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 11:33:12 +, DASDBILL2 wrote: Every young person contemplating a mainframe career should spend a week reading IBM-Main.  Maybe they do and that’s another reason why the profession is dying. That's a bit close to the bone. Shane ...

Re: Security exposure of zXXP was Re: zIIP simulation

2013-11-05 Thread Mark Jacobs
On 11/04/13 19:00, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 11/4/2013 9:23 AM, Russ Teubner wrote: I don't think customers mind using (and paying for) high-value MIPS for high-value apps. However, everything else (e.g., integration and plumbing) should be run on specialty engines (within the bounds of IBM's

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread David Crayford
On 5/11/2013 8:01 PM, Shane Ginnane wrote: On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 11:33:12 +, DASDBILL2 wrote: Every young person contemplating a mainframe career should spend a week reading IBM-Main. Maybe they do and that’s another reason why the profession is dying. That's a bit close to the bone.

Re: How can I write this program to a load library

2013-11-05 Thread Steve Comstock
On 11/4/2013 8:59 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 20:21:38 -0700, Steve Comstock wrote: To do that has nothing to do with COBOL: it's JCL you need to brush up on. Point LKED.SYSLMOD to a PDS/PDSE that contains load modules or program objects. Be very careful doing that! When I

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Ronald Kristel
On the contrary..., I subscribed to IBM-Main mainly because it actually helped me understand a few things on my road of 'learning z/OS'. For me, It is usually the 'history' that is missing for understanding why certain things work as they work today. (Cobol v5.1, PDSE .. thread for example

Re: How can I write this program to a load library

2013-11-05 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Paul Gilmartin wrote: Be very careful doing that! When I was very young I tried something similar without understanding that the following GO step contained: //STEPLIB DD DISP=(OLD,DELETE),DSN=*.LKED.SYSLMOD Oops! A common trap. RACF can help you to protect your dataset with access =

Re: How can I write this program to a load library

2013-11-05 Thread George Young
Have a look at http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg27036733 and pick your compiler version release and have a look at the Programming Guide chapter that discusses cataloged procedures. For example, for Enterprise COBOL for z/OS 4.2, see Chapter 14 Compiling under z/OS, section

Re: using ./Configure to generate listing files

2013-11-05 Thread Mike Wawiorko
If this is a z/OS system consider AT-TLS instead of openssl. Mike Wawiorko  Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Janet Graff Sent: 04 November 2013 17:25 To:

Re: soft capping query

2013-11-05 Thread mario@tiscali
A LPAR exceeding its defined capacity will be soft-capped i.e. not allowed to exceed it (in your example 350msu) until the 4HRA drops below the defined capacity. So in your terms it will still enjoy the soft capping value. This also means that 4HRA will potentially keep growing above the

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Steve Comstock
On 11/5/2013 12:51 AM, Robin Atwood wrote: Diverting the thread a tad, does anyone know where you can do an HLASM course? My young colleague wants to be inducted into the mysteries of the ancient craft and we found various IBM courses (see below) but none of them are currently being offered. Of

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 12:34:17 +, Ronald Kristel wrote: On the contrary..., I subscribed to IBM-Main mainly because it actually helped me understand a few things on my road of 'learning z/OS'. Good for you - it's certainly an education. If you can winnow out the drivel. Dave also wrote: :

Re: How can I write this program to a load library

2013-11-05 Thread Steve Comstock
On 11/4/2013 8:21 PM, Steve Comstock wrote: On 11/4/2013 7:49 PM, Cameron Seay wrote: All: I am a re-newbie to COBOL (learned it years ago but it's very rusty). I am teaching it to my students because it's a great job skill now. Below is job that contains the source code inline and runs

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Scott Ford
Richard, Love it, yeah I agree we are an enigma Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Nov 4, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Richard Pinion rpin...@netscape.com wrote: Yeah, but farmers have their own dating site www.farmersonly.com. Never seen

Re: aggressive drivers was: Interesting? How _compilers_ are compromising application security

2013-11-05 Thread Scott Ford
Elardus, They had cameras on the Autoroute when I lived in Switzerland ...nobody stole things, too many police cars Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Nov 4, 2013, at 2:29 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za wrote:

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Robin Atwood
Steve - Thanks for the pointer. Curiously I have already been contacted by a company offering courses in the UK, much to my surprise. I thought my colleague might have to go to India! But thanks anyway. -Robin -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 07:16:52 -0600, Shane Ginnane wrote: Linux is a lot more fun for the technically inquisitive these days IMHO. It's far less encrusted with the patina of antiquity. Much of OS/360 made sense in the resource-constrained batch environment in which it originated. Nowadays, its

Re: How can I write this program to a load library

2013-11-05 Thread Mike Myers
Cameron: I can't help you with your COBOL (not one of my languages), but what you need is some JCL help. Retired Mainframer set you on the the right direction by saying you should look for another procedure. As he said, language (assembler and compiler) procedures usually come in three

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Dana Mitchell
On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 08:13:14 -0600, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: It's far less encrusted with the patina of antiquity. Much of OS/360 made sense in the resource-constrained batch environment in which it originated. Nowadays, its residue is a requirement for compatibility; an

Re: using ./Configure to generate listing files

2013-11-05 Thread Kirk Wolf
Janet, Take a look at the archives for this list, specifically the thread: openssl make - z/OS UNIX question - Help from April 2012. Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Janet Graff janet.gr...@yahoo.com wrote: I am attempting to build

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread John Gilmore
My own experience is that teenagers, preternaturally bright ones admittedly, can learn to cope with what I shall limit myself to calling the patina of antiquity. (The phrase encrusted patina of antiquity is euphonious; but encrustations obscure, very shortly indeed destroy patinæ.) What I miss

Re: using ./Configure to generate listing files

2013-11-05 Thread Janet Graff
Kirk, Yes! That excellent thread is what enabled me to get as far as I did and produce my needed libcrypto.a library. I've been through that thread multiple times in the last three weeks but I don't recall a discussion of changing the ./Configure settings to produce listing files for every

Re: using ./Configure to generate listing files

2013-11-05 Thread Janet Graff
Mike, This particular usage of openssl is specifically for the bignum support. AT-TLS is for the SSL support which we aren't using. Do you know of a bignum replacement for openssl for z/OS? Janet -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Re: Serialization without Enque

2013-11-05 Thread Jon Perryman
Sorry for the confusion but that's not the question that I was asking. I agree with you on guaranteeing the consistency using the count. I'm talking about TCB1 using PLO CSDST to store 2 adjacent words (4th 6th PLO operands) and TCB2 using LM or LG for those same 2 words. There is a very small

Re: aggressive drivers was: Interesting? How _compilers_ are compromising application security

2013-11-05 Thread Ze'ev Atlas
What's the story about the name Kumuondanam Bimba? ZA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: aggressive drivers was: Interesting? How _compilers_ are compromising application security

2013-11-05 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2013-11-05 18:17, Ze'ev Atlas pisze: What's the story about the name Kumuondanam Bimba? ZA Just an example of foreign name. It could be Ze'ev Atlas as well (no offence intended). -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Ze'ev Atlas
Robin Atwood said: Diverting the thread a tad, does anyone know where you can do an HLASM course? My young colleague wants to be inducted into the mysteries of the ancient craft and we found various IBM courses (see below) but none of them are currently being offered. Of course, various outfits

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Mark Post
On 11/5/2013 at 12:54 PM, Ze'ev Atlas zatl...@yahoo.com wrote: Adopt the methodology of the Unix, Linux and Windows echosystems, abandon any assembly whatsoever, license C and write all code in that language. Not quite. Performance critical sections are sometimes still written in

Define user to Z/OS LDAP Server

2013-11-05 Thread Mohamed Juma
Hi list, It is my first experience with LDAP, trying to add a user to TDBM database using DB2 V8. my Configuration file of LDAP: database TDBM GLDBTD31 suffix o=moi   Adding user using  Nasser.add: Nasser.add: dn: cn=nasser shaer,ou=users,dc=moi,dc=com  objectclass:

Re: using ./Configure to generate listing files

2013-11-05 Thread Lloyd Fuller
Janet,   When I have some options that are not part of the normal, I specify a different shell script for compiling (like xlc64.sh for example), and specify that as the compiler in ./configure or make or whatever.  Then that shell script calls the compiler once it has set up things like I want.

Re: using ./Configure to generate listing files

2013-11-05 Thread Janet Graff
The -Wc,LIST(filename) option would work fine to indicate that I want a listing file. But without a file name it defaults to STDOUT. The specific filename doesn't adjust for different source code files. Is there a replacement variable for ./Configure that says use the source code file name

Re: aggressive drivers was: Interesting? How _compilers_ are compromising application security

2013-11-05 Thread John Gilmore
Poles must be conceded a great deal of retaliatory freedom in the matter of inventing 'foreign' names. A parenthesis-free notation devised by Jan Łukasiewicz---It is presented in a footnote in his classic little English-language book on the relationships between Aristotelian and modern

Re: using ./Configure to generate listing files

2013-11-05 Thread Kirk Wolf
I don't see anything like that in the Makefile. I'm far from an export on make, and the OpenSSL Makefile is pretty nasty. My best guess is that you need to define your own inference rule something like: %.o : %.c $(CC) -c $(CCFLAGS) -Wc,LIST $ $*.list Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies

z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Jon Perryman
We know Gilmartin considers UNIX elegant so he is a lost cause but it's sad that he's bringing others to the dark side. He often gives UNIX examples that he feels are at the forefront of technology when in reality there are z/OS solutions that work as well or even better. Case in point is the

Re: aggressive drivers was: Interesting? How _compilers_ are compromising application security

2013-11-05 Thread Mike Schwab
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRnlRurTwFg UK Speed camera vandalism. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Elardus, They had cameras on the Autoroute when I lived in Switzerland ...nobody stole things, too many police cars Scott ford

Re: Security exposure of zXXP was Re: zIIP simulation

2013-11-05 Thread Bob Rutledge
Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: PMFJI here Ed, but PSPI and DMTI aren't acronyms that I recognize. Translations please? Peter Product-Sensitive Programming Interface (The underlying software can change and this interface can change or disappear.) Diagnosis, Modification and Tuning

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Jon Perryman wrote: [ ... lots of interesting comparisions between z/OS and UNIX / Linux ... ] Lets see, you wrote about disk management, Apps, CPU, Networking, Recovery, WLM, etc. Cool comparisions. Now I know. Thanks! ;-D Could you be kind to list the differences between these systems on

Re: Serialization without Enque

2013-11-05 Thread Kenneth Wilkerson
This is a complicated question that is very dependent on the design of your application. So if the design needs to use a PLO Compare and Load, by all means do so. I try to design these applications to avoid as many PLO Compare and Loads as possible. The memory serialization (once at the start and

STP Setup question for IBM 2818 processsor

2013-11-05 Thread Cifani, Domenic
HI ; Wondering if anyone can tell me when I try to setup STP on the HMC and I am doing the Network Configuration Setup. I enter Preferred time server and check of the only allow the server specificied above to be in the CTN. Would I have to select the initialize time and if so what will this

Re: AW: AW: [slightly] off topic: SPFPRO on Win 8.1

2013-11-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In vmime.52775d37.1c6.c642028117b26...@dms02.intranet.set-software.de, on 11/04/2013 at 09:39 AM, Michael Knigge michael.kni...@set-software.de said: THE might be a good tool for everyone who needs/likes an ?XEDIT-Clone, but it is a bad choice for everyone who looks for an ISPF-like editor.

Re: Security exposure of zXXP was Re: zIIP simulation

2013-11-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 2048766999.1432321.1383584199930.javamail.r...@comcast.net, on 11/04/2013 at 04:56 PM, DASDBILL2 dasdbi...@comcast.net said: SRBs can do I/O.  They can't do SVC instructions, however.  You can start an I/O request without an SVC if you use the STARTIO macro, which requires your code's

Re: Security exposure of zXXP was Re: zIIP simulation

2013-11-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 8610219510148556.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 11/04/2013 at 06:00 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Is it GUPI? No, but STARTIO is also not bare metal. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: Security exposure of zXXP was Re: zIIP simulation

2013-11-05 Thread DASDBILL2
No.  I was thinking that if one wanted to one could design an unnecessary ECB into the communication path somewhere just so one would feel at home with the ancient access method artifacts.  Having an ECB does not require than any code ever WAIT on it, of course.  It's just another place to have

Re: Security exposure of zXXP was Re: zIIP simulation

2013-11-05 Thread DASDBILL2
In the z/OS world, bare metal means SSCH and TSCH.  These are not for the faint-hearted, or even the heavy-duty. Bill Fairchild Franklin, TN - Original Message - From: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2013

Re: Security exposure of zXXP was Re: zIIP simulation

2013-11-05 Thread Tony Harminc
FWIW, the UNIX services for file I/O are callable in SRB mode. But if you are in SRB mode you own the world in any case. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Mark Post
On 11/5/2013 at 02:49 PM, Jon Perryman jperr...@pacbell.net wrote: -snip- As for showing that z/OS is not as bad as some would make it out, here are some of the issues the cloud has addressed but not truly resolved: 1. Disk full: * Cloud: Some disk manufacturers have implementations

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Pommier, Rex
Jon, First a caveat: I'm a z/OS bigot from the get-go. I much prefer z/OS to *nix but I supported both HP-UX and AIX at a previous position alongside my z/OS work. I have no experience with Sun's flavor and precious little with Linux so I can't comment on them. I need to take a couple

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Scott Ford
Bill, I agree my gf is at a university. Young ppl for whatever reason lack critical thinking skills, not all of the youngsters, some Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Nov 5, 2013, at 6:33 AM, DASDBILL2 dasdbi...@comcast.net wrote: I

Re: aggressive drivers was: Interesting? How _compilers_ are compromising application security

2013-11-05 Thread Don Imbriale
How is this mainframe-related? On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:28 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: Poles must be conceded a great deal of retaliatory freedom in the matter of inventing 'foreign' names. A parenthesis-free notation devised by Jan Łukasiewicz---It is presented in a

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
jperr...@pacbell.net (Jon Perryman) writes: * UNIX: TCP/IP was not publicly available until the 70's. Prior to that, simple communications were available.  * z/OS: SNA existed long before TCP/IP was available. SNA was a robust, reliable and secure communications methodology. Once TCP was

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Scott Ford
David, So true , i am 63 still working..Unfortunately, we need money to live...lol Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Nov 5, 2013, at 7:32 AM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/11/2013 8:01 PM, Shane Ginnane wrote: On

Re: using ./Configure to generate listing files

2013-11-05 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 13:33:37 -0600, Kirk Wolf wrote: I don't see anything like that in the Makefile. I'm far from an export on make, and the OpenSSL Makefile is pretty nasty. My best guess is that you need to define your own inference rule something like: %.o : %.c $(CC) -c $(CCFLAGS)

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za (Elardus Engelbrecht) writes: Around 1990 and so when death of mainframe has been predicted [1], someone said to me: The technology to completely replace big iron has not been in place properly. Now, it is still, to my astonishment, somewhat true! Rather, new

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread David Crayford
On 6/11/2013 5:40 AM, Mark Post wrote: Now if you want to point a finger at some things in Linux that really, really could use improvement, let's talk about diagnostic instrumentation in the operating system, as well as much better data for performance management. The latter particularly is

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread David Crayford
On 6/11/2013 12:37 AM, John Gilmore wrote: I do of course agree that z/OS is perceived to be boring, but that is another question. I don't think it's perceived as boring, certainly it's perceived as user hostile. Take Pauls cp command example, it's easy to copy files using a simple command.

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Jon Perryman
For security, the ones I know about are LDAP, RSA.and standard UNIX security model. I suspect there are others in the GRC field.   What makes UNIX so fun is what makes it so much work. There are many methods and interfaces to do the same thing. In z/OS, we tend to have one or two interfaces.

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Jon Perryman
I meant to say when TCP/IP was publicly available. I think ARPANET was only available to the military. Jon Perryman. From: Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2013 2:14 PM Subject: Re: z/OS is antique

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
jperr...@pacbell.net (Jon Perryman) writes: I meant to say when TCP/IP was publicly available. I think ARPANET was only available to the military. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013n.html#16 z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013n.html#17 z/OS is

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Jon Perryman
These aren't imagined ills. They are ill's that have been healed in recent year's (in the scheme of things). Maybe Unix isn't as rusty as I thought. In the last few years, it seems to have matured some but it still doesn't make it better than z/OS.  Gilmartin is the one who is stating imagined

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread David Crayford
On 6/11/2013 8:31 AM, Jon Perryman wrote: For security, the ones I know about are LDAP, RSA.and standard UNIX security model. I suspect there are others in the GRC field. Your forgot kerberos, probably the most significant. z/OS supports LDAP (Tivoli) and kerberos and so it should. It has to

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 11/5/2013 7:26 PM, David Crayford wrote: I don't think it's perceived as boring, certainly it's perceived as user hostile. Take Pauls cp command example, it's easy to copy files using a simple command. For those that prefer GUIs they can drag and drop or copy/paste. On the mainframe one has

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread David Crayford
On 6/11/2013 10:33 AM, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: On 11/5/2013 7:26 PM, David Crayford wrote: I don't think it's perceived as boring, certainly it's perceived as user hostile. Take Pauls cp command example, it's easy to copy files using a simple command. For those that prefer GUIs they can drag

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Jon Perryman
Unix and Windows have a lot of similarities. User interfaces are often similar. Most users will continue using those if possible.  z/OS has TSO, CICS and IMS. We have webservers. We can run X-window clients. We can run Emacs. The ability exists. The problem is that the desire is not there and

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 08:18:39 +0800, David Crayford wrote: On 6/11/2013 5:40 AM, Mark Post wrote: Now if you want to point a finger at some things in Linux that really, really could use improvement, let's talk about diagnostic instrumentation in the operating system, as well as much better

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
jperr...@pacbell.net (Jon Perryman) writes: On the other side, Unix has seen many of it's improvements because of z/OS. You may not think so but look at the timelines and make comparisons. The last one I personally saw was high availability. IBM implemented SAP/HA on z/OS and SAP received the

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Steve Comstock
On 11/5/2013 5:26 PM, David Crayford wrote: On 6/11/2013 12:37 AM, John Gilmore wrote: I do of course agree that z/OS is perceived to be boring, but that is another question. I don't think it's perceived as boring, certainly it's perceived as user hostile. Take Pauls cp command example, it's

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread David Crayford
On 6/11/2013 11:31 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote: On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 08:18:39 +0800, David Crayford wrote: On 6/11/2013 5:40 AM, Mark Post wrote: Now if you want to point a finger at some things in Linux that really, really could use improvement, let's talk about diagnostic instrumentation in the

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Mark Post
On 11/5/2013 at 09:33 PM, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net wrote: And I find cp terribly confusing - to a neophyte does it stand for copy, or compare, or compress (as in disk reorganization). It might make more sense if I could assign an alias of COPY to it. Try alias copy=cp or

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 11:40:15 +0800, David Crayford wrote: I know you can trace syscalls etc but do any of those traces compare to system trace? Are there any traces for zLinux which report hardware/software interrupts? All the tools I mentioned are (predominantly) kernel-space. ftrace (nominally

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Mark Post
On 11/5/2013 at 08:59 PM, Jon Perryman jperr...@pacbell.net wrote: These aren't imagined ills. Of course they are, as I discussed. They are ill's that have been healed in recent year's (in the scheme of things). Which means to repeat them _now_ is to talk about ancient history. So, don't

Re: Security exposure of zXXP was Re: zIIP simulation

2013-11-05 Thread Timothy Sipples
Ed Jaffe wrote: Agreed. For example, it would be good if monitors such a RMF and others did not use costly machine cycles. Leaving aside costly machine cycles (compared to what?), it would be technically impossible, wouldn't it? It's at least very technically difficult to monitor something

Re: Format CFRM couple dataset

2013-11-05 Thread Jorge Garcia
Hello Vernooij: I agree with you. It's too difficult downgrade the CFRM CDS. We'll keep the actual configuration with two CF. Regards. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread Robin Atwood
About 25% of our mainframe server code is written in C already but you still need HLASM to deal with the guts of z/OS. I have already told the lad to read the POPS but that's not enough, you need background in basic z/OS concepts, JCL, ISPF, Rexx, etc. The courses we have found provide this.