Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

2014-07-11 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:48 AM, Paul Norman wrote: > On Jul 10, 2014, at 07:54 PM, Alex Barth wrote: > That collective database is then generally used to produce works that > are a produced work of the database of geocoding results as part of a > collective database. I find the definition of "g

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

2014-07-11 Thread Stephan Knauss
Hello Alex, Alex Barth writes: I just updated the Wiki with a proposed community guideline on geocoding. Please review: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Geocoding_-_Guideline Thank you for working on these legal guidelines. A task the typical developer is not keen to wo

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

2014-07-11 Thread Simon Poole
Am 11.07.2014 14:40, schrieb Stephan Knauss: .. > A while ago there was a discussion about the word "geocode" which seems > to be a trademark in some jurisdictions. So opposed to the general term > "geocoding" the word "geocode" might need to be used with care. > Yes, correct, Alex can you

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

2014-07-11 Thread Michal Palenik
hi, I believe the proposal is very biased towards non-open. with citations it must also include 4.6 of ODbL. so it means triggering share-alike clause (if it's derivative db). so wording "As Geocodes are a Produced Work, they do not trigger the share-alike clauses of the ODbL. " is totally again

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

2014-07-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 07/11/2014 04:41 PM, Michal Palenik wrote: > so wording "As Geocodes are a Produced Work, they do not trigger the > share-alike clauses of the ODbL. " is totally against section 4.6. This was something that we often discussed during the license change - what if somebody uses produced works

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

2014-07-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 11/lug/2014 um 16:41 schrieb Michal Palenik : > > so wording "As Geocodes are a Produced Work, they do not trigger the > share-alike clauses of the ODbL. " is totally against section 4.6. +1 the data contained in produced works remains ruled by ODbL / share alike, this is stated in 4.3:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

2014-07-11 Thread Alex Barth
We're 100% in grey territory on geocoding and you can keep reading the ODbL in circles. > “Produced Work” – a work (such as an image, audiovisual material, text, or > sounds) resulting from using the whole or a Substantial part of the Contents > (via a search or other query) from this Database,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

2014-07-11 Thread Martijn van Exel
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Alex Barth wrote: > We're 100% in grey territory on geocoding and you can keep reading the > ODbL in circles. Yes, and thanks a lot Alex for taking the lead in writing up these guidelines. I think a lot of value in this discussion will come from well defined examp

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

2014-07-11 Thread Paul Norman
On Jul 11, 2014, at 04:11 PM, Alex Barth wrote: What I'm looking for a is a clear interpretation by the community, supported OSMF, an interpretation that is a permissive reading of the ODbL on geocoding to unlock use cases.   Guidelines need to be accurate and supported by the ODbL and shouldn