Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Alexander Hall
On 01/11/13 22:51, Miod Vallat wrote: The only editing available tool in bsd.rd, the infamous ed, made me sweat cold with fear not to correctly spell its syntax or do some logic mistake. I would have been way more lighthearted if I had vi available. Actually, vi used to be in the installation m

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 01:34:44AM -0300, Carlo Borelli wrote: > 2013/1/12 Nick Holland > > > On 01/11/13 16:38, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: > > ... > > > Btw, how many are really using ed everyday, now in 2013? I believe I'm > > not > > > the only one who thinks this. My guess is that vi could be mor

Re: integrated graphics

2013-01-12 Thread Scott McEachern
On 01/12/13 11:12, Peter Hessler wrote: On 2013 Jan 12 (Sat) at 10:57:56 -0500 (-0500), Scott McEachern wrote: : :I also have an onboard Intel 4000: : :vga1 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 "Intel HD Graphics 4000" rev 0x09 : Just works. I have no xorg.conf or any special configuration. vga1 at pci0

Re: integrated graphics

2013-01-12 Thread Peter Hessler
On 2013 Jan 12 (Sat) at 10:57:56 -0500 (-0500), Scott McEachern wrote: :On 01/12/13 10:27, Peter Hessler wrote: :>I have Intel 4000 here, and I am unaccelerated, but do have native :>resolution X, and lots of xterms and Firefox works as expected. :> :>2000 should be totally fine, and accelerated if

Re: integrated graphics

2013-01-12 Thread Scott McEachern
On 01/12/13 10:27, Peter Hessler wrote: I have Intel 4000 here, and I am unaccelerated, but do have native resolution X, and lots of xterms and Firefox works as expected. 2000 should be totally fine, and accelerated if I remember correctly. I also have an onboard Intel 4000: vga1 at pci0 dev

Re: integrated graphics

2013-01-12 Thread Zoran Kolic
> I have Intel 4000 here, and I am unaccelerated, but do have native > resolution X, and lots of xterms and Firefox works as expected. > 2000 should be totally fine, and accelerated if I remember correctly. Great! Quick search revealed I could go after g550 for about 35 euros. It has hd 2000 insid

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Scott McEachern
On 01/12/13 09:19, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: Sorry for fwd ur mail in list Scott, didn't notice it was in pvt. As for the tyre comparison, I agree with you Nick. Better getting your hands dirty than being laughed at. Which is btw what I did in that nasty event. But I also remember the cold sweat ou

Re: integrated graphics

2013-01-12 Thread Peter Hessler
On 2013 Jan 12 (Sat) at 16:23:42 +0100 (+0100), Zoran Kolic wrote: :> The core i3-3225 is ivy bridge based, which means the graphics only works under \ :> -current and no DRM acceleration until the driver support improves. : :Thanks for the answer. :I must be wrong defining what I want. I would li

Re: integrated graphics

2013-01-12 Thread Zoran Kolic
> The core i3-3225 is ivy bridge based, which means the graphics only works > under \ > -current and no DRM acceleration until the driver support improves. Thanks for the answer. I must be wrong defining what I want. I would like to be able to do "startx" and have 1280x1024, with browser and few

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Paolo Aglialoro
Sorry for fwd ur mail in list Scott, didn't notice it was in pvt. As for the tyre comparison, I agree with you Nick. Better getting your hands dirty than being laughed at. Which is btw what I did in that nasty event. But I also remember the cold sweat out of it. Actually I drive an old car which

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Nick Holland
On 01/12/13 06:22, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: > So guys, I perfectly understand (and respect) how much many of you use and > value ed. As much as others have a repulsion for it, but this is not my > point: no, it's like the scissor jack and lug wrench in my Jeep. If I get a flat tire on the side of th

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Scott McEachern
On 01/12/13 08:24, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: Thank you Scott! Your tutorial is really nice :) I'll star it in my gmail. Uhm, you're welcome. Just FYI, it's bad form to reply to a private email onto a public mailing list. I'm no ed(1) expert. Since it's now on the list, maybe more experienc

Re: ImageMagick and perl

2013-01-12 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 01:51:55PM +0100, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote: > On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:31:40PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > Set LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libpthread.so > > > > Thanks, it solved the problem for me. > > Now, do I have to provide LD_PRELOAD in environment for any perl sc

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Paolo Aglialoro
Thank you Scott! Your tutorial is really nice :) I'll star it in my gmail. Nevertheless, even if at the time the problem was a typo in fstab (which I solved with an s/// sed sequence), I appreciate your honesty when u implicitly admit that vi would be more adequated for more complex tasks. Btw,

Re: ImageMagick and perl

2013-01-12 Thread Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:31:40PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2013-01-12, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote: > > Hello! > > > > I was trying to build a piece of software that uses Image::Magick, when I > > ran > > into the following problem on amd64 -current: > > > > $ perl -e "use Image::Magi

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Scott McEachern
On 01/12/13 07:25, Marc Espie wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 07:17:25AM -0500, Scott McEachern wrote: On 01/11/13 16:38, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: sparc64 machine, a neglected typo in fstab while changing a disk mountpoint and boom! - no boot :( ed(1) isn't hard to use, but if you haven't used

Re: ImageMagick and perl

2013-01-12 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2013-01-12, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote: > Hello! > > I was trying to build a piece of software that uses Image::Magick, when I ran > into the following problem on amd64 -current: > > $ perl -e "use Image::Magick;" > Can't load > '/usr/local/libdata/perl5/site_perl/amd64-openbsd/auto/Image/M

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Marc Espie
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 07:17:25AM -0500, Scott McEachern wrote: > On 01/11/13 16:38, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: > >sparc64 machine, a neglected typo in fstab while changing a disk mountpoint > >and boom! - no boot :( > > > > > > ed(1) isn't hard to use, but if you haven't used it in a while, as > esp

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Scott McEachern
On 01/11/13 16:38, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: sparc64 machine, a neglected typo in fstab while changing a disk mountpoint and boom! - no boot :( ed(1) isn't hard to use, but if you haven't used it in a while, as espie@ said, having another machine handy to hit the man page is useful. Go play w

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Marc Espie
I do use ed occasionnally, when I have about no choice. Specifically, glass console fucked up, no editing working... and no vi in bsd.rd. I don't know it very well, and I usually need another system nearby to refer to the manpage. I'm not a sysadmin, though. I don't see any harm in putting vi in

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Paolo Aglialoro
So guys, I perfectly understand (and respect) how much many of you use and value ed. As much as others have a repulsion for it, but this is not my point: I mean, with respect for all viewpoints, I'm far from starting a religion war on "which is ur fave editor", but just trying to share a view on a

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Eric Furman
Obvious Troll. blah blah blah.. On Sat, Jan 12, 2013, at 12:04 AM, Christopher Vance wrote: > You would fail any system administration course I teach. > > On 12/01/2013, at 15:34, Carlo Borelli wrote: > > > 2013/1/12 Nick Holland > > > >> On 01/11/13 16:38, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: > >> ...

Re: Unused swap

2013-01-12 Thread Vadim Zhukov
2013/1/12 Christian Weisgerber : > Constantine A. Murenin wrote: > >> plus, last i checked, firefox was not even 64-bit friendly anyways > > Bullshit. Well, not FireFox but JavaScript JIT, IIRC. http://www.openbsd.org/papers/slackathon2011_64bitandjit/index.html -- WBR, Vadim Zhukov

Re: Use pax instead of cpio in FAQ 14.4 (Adding extra disks)

2013-01-12 Thread Jiri B
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 01:10:16AM +, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > I tend to recommend dump|restore, but those aren't on bsd.rd. Really? I had feeling that the best way to do disaster recovery is to use bsd.rd, make partitioning and dump/restore... Quite pitty if dump/restore is not included.

Re: Unused swap

2013-01-12 Thread Brad Smith
- Original message - > http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/etc/login.conf.in > http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/etc/mklogin.conf > http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=login.conf&sektion=5 > > plus, last i checked, firefox was not even 64-bit friendly anyways You're

Re: Unused swap

2013-01-12 Thread Peter Hessler
On 2013 Jan 11 (Fri) at 15:44:44 -0800 (-0800), Constantine A. Murenin wrote: :plus, last i checked, firefox was not even 64-bit friendly anyways I am using firefox on amd64 for a long time. Works as well as firefox does anywhere else. I think you are heavily confused. -- To the systems progra