Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Nico Mandery
Lukasz Szybalski schrieb: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Lukasz Szybalski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Shaun McDonald >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> On 22 Oct 2008, at 21:38, Lukasz Szybalski wrote: >>> >>> > You've been pointed at a

[OSM-talk] IEEE paper on OSM

2008-10-22 Thread SteveC
I didn't see anyone post this so http://povesham.wordpress.com/2008/10/18/openstreetmap-user-generated-street-maps-ieee-pervasive-computing-paper/ with the usual choice quotes :-O Best Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://l

Re: [OSM-talk] Contraflow bus lane

2008-10-22 Thread Stephen Hope
Not all PSV's are buses. 2008/10/23 Matthias Julius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Shaun McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Usually psv for public service vehicle is used for access restrictions. > > I missed that. It would have been too easy to call a bus "bus", I > guess ;-) > > Should we rename

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions vs allowances?

2008-10-22 Thread Stephen Hope
We have a similar thing here in Queensland, Australia. You can't do a U-turn at any traffic lights unless there is a sign specifically saying that you can. I think this is the same across the whole country, but I'd have to check. There are no signs saying you can't at the other lights, you're supp

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Lukasz Szybalski
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Lukasz Szybalski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Shaun McDonald > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On 22 Oct 2008, at 21:38, Lukasz Szybalski wrote: >> You've been pointed at a web page that tells you how to do that. Please go

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Lukasz Szybalski
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Shaun McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 22 Oct 2008, at 21:38, Lukasz Szybalski wrote: > >>> You've been pointed at a web page that tells you how to do that. Please >>> go >>> and read it. >> >> >> So I've looked at the source code for the tw.openlayers whi

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag alt_name

2008-10-22 Thread Matthias Julius
Christoph Böhme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Pieren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > >> I would like to add the tag "alt_name" in the Map Features wiki page. >> I discovered this tag in a mail from David Earl ([1]) sometime ago but >> I don't think that many people are reading the ML archives. >> I

Re: [OSM-talk] New Mapnik Style

2008-10-22 Thread Jon Burgess
On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 21:28 +0100, Jon Burgess wrote: > On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 20:26 +0100, Simon Hewison wrote: > > Patrick Weber wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > Just noticed that the Wednesday Mapnik update has introduced a > > > considerable change in cartography style. Seems like lots of changes

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 22 Oct 2008, at 21:38, Lukasz Szybalski wrote: You've been pointed at a web page that tells you how to do that. Please go and read it. So I've looked at the source code for the tw.openlayers which should correspond to openlayers java script file. http://toscawidgets.org/hg/tw.openlayer

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Ryszard Mikke
Hey, didn't you think about the server's capacity and so on? detailed GIS data from every GSM company, huh? And from every network provider and so on? Where will you store it and for whom? It seems for me that storing rather huge amount of data for a very limited group of people is not exactly wha

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Ryszard Mikke
Errr... Let's get back to our bus company? Of course they CAN use PD data from OSM, add their layer and publish it, not sharing their data... but that will cost them. Any change in the PD data requires repeating their work for them to be up to date. Whereas just putting their bus stops into OSM m

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions vs allowances?

2008-10-22 Thread Matias D'Ambrosio
On Wednesday 22 October 2008 18:06:10 you wrote: > Matias D'Ambrosio wrote: > >Sent: 22 October 2008 8:21 PM > >To: talk@openstreetmap.org > >Subject: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions vs allowances? > > > > What is the opposite of a turn restriction? I can't find it and no one > >answers on IRC. > > Tu

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Lukasz Szybalski
> You've been pointed at a web page that tells you how to do that. Please go > and read it. So I've looked at the source code for the tw.openlayers which should correspond to openlayers java script file. http://toscawidgets.org/hg/tw.openlayers/file/387a2f19c67a/tw/openlayers/layer.py from laye

Re: [OSM-talk] New Mapnik Style

2008-10-22 Thread Jon Burgess
On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 20:26 +0100, Simon Hewison wrote: > Patrick Weber wrote: > > Hi > > > > Just noticed that the Wednesday Mapnik update has introduced a > > considerable change in cartography style. Seems like lots of changes > > have been applied, which has considerably changed the look of

[OSM-talk] Support OSM via our retailpartners

2008-10-22 Thread Henk Hoff
As you all know, OSM depends on donations to keep us alive and kicking. One way of supporting the Foundation is by buying from our retail partners, who in return will donate a portion of the purchase to us. Many of you are already doing this for which we are very grateful. I would like to prese

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread bvh
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 08:54:50PM +0200, Gustav Foseid wrote: > So, given your ideal license: I decide to make a pub crawl and making a > mashup showing the pubs I visited and my rating of them.To make sure that I > placed the pubs at the right place I had a GPS in my pocket, and had gpx > trace o

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions vs allowances?

2008-10-22 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Matias D'Ambrosio wrote: >Sent: 22 October 2008 8:21 PM >To: talk@openstreetmap.org >Subject: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions vs allowances? > > What is the opposite of a turn restriction? I can't find it and no one >answers on IRC. > Turning left is forbidden everywhere in my country on two way roads

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag alt_name

2008-10-22 Thread Christoph Böhme
Pieren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > I would like to add the tag "alt_name" in the Map Features wiki page. > I discovered this tag in a mail from David Earl ([1]) sometime ago but > I don't think that many people are reading the ML archives. > I also don't think that a vote is required here becau

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regar ding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread Liz
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, spaetz wrote: > In the same vain I can chose to not buy microwaves that prevent me from > cooking spcific food. If garmin closes their devices to only allow > propriatary stuff buy from a competitor. Heck, little eee PCs are more > flexible and in the same price range as some o

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Tom Hughes
Lukasz Szybalski wrote: >> I know nothing about Turbo Gears, but if you can give an example of a Turbo >> Gears page that uses OL we can probably show you how to modify it to display >> an OSM layer. > > Right now I need to know how can I configure openlayers to use > tile.openstreetmap.org or how

Re: [OSM-talk] New Mapnik Style

2008-10-22 Thread Simon Hewison
Patrick Weber wrote: > Hi > > Just noticed that the Wednesday Mapnik update has introduced a > considerable change in cartography style. Seems like lots of changes > have been applied, which has considerably changed the look of the Mapnik > Layer. I wondered if there is a summary of changes exp

[OSM-talk] Turn restrictions vs allowances?

2008-10-22 Thread Matias D'Ambrosio
What is the opposite of a turn restriction? I can't find it and no one answers on IRC. Turning left is forbidden everywhere in my country on two way roads when there is no specific traffic light for it, and I assume it's the same in many other countries. Without a "turning left allowed" relati

Re: [OSM-talk] Contraflow bus lane

2008-10-22 Thread Matthias Julius
David Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 22/10/2008 19:04, Shaun McDonald wrote: >> >> On 22 Oct 2008, at 18:57, Matthias Julius wrote: >> >>> David Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> I came across a contraflow bus lane yesterday. If it were a contraflow cycle lane I'd mark the ro

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:36 PM, bvh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To bring the discussion back to maps : imagine a GSM provider that wants > to show coverage on a map. They export their private GIS data of > signal strength and merge it with OSM, create a low resolution image of > the resulting ma

Re: [OSM-talk] Contraflow bus lane

2008-10-22 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:21 PM, David Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 22/10/2008 19:04, Shaun McDonald wrote: >> >> On 22 Oct 2008, at 18:57, Matthias Julius wrote: >> >>> David Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> I came across a contraflow bus lane yesterday. If it were a contraflow >>

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Lukasz Szybalski
> I know nothing about Turbo Gears, but if you can give an example of a Turbo > Gears page that uses OL we can probably show you how to modify it to display > an OSM layer. Right now I need to know how can I configure openlayers to use tile.openstreetmap.org or how to configure mapnik to render i

Re: [OSM-talk] Contraflow bus lane

2008-10-22 Thread David Earl
On 22/10/2008 19:04, Shaun McDonald wrote: > > On 22 Oct 2008, at 18:57, Matthias Julius wrote: > >> David Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> I came across a contraflow bus lane yesterday. If it were a contraflow >>> cycle lane I'd mark the road "cycleway=lane_opposite". has anyone had >>> o

Re: [OSM-talk] Contraflow bus lane

2008-10-22 Thread Matthias Julius
Shaun McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Usually psv for public service vehicle is used for access restrictions. I missed that. It would have been too easy to call a bus "bus", I guess ;-) Should we rename "bus_stop" to "psv_stop"? Matthias ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Contraflow bus lane

2008-10-22 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 22 Oct 2008, at 18:57, Matthias Julius wrote: David Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I came across a contraflow bus lane yesterday. If it were a contraflow cycle lane I'd mark the road "cycleway=lane_opposite". has anyone had occasion to do the equivalent for for buses? There's nothing i

Re: [OSM-talk] Contraflow bus lane

2008-10-22 Thread Matthias Julius
David Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I came across a contraflow bus lane yesterday. If it were a contraflow > cycle lane I'd mark the road "cycleway=lane_opposite". has anyone had > occasion to do the equivalent for for buses? There's nothing in > Map_features to guide me. (Actually come to

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Tom Hughes
Lukasz Szybalski wrote: > I'm not really sure what you mean in above. I'm not that knowledgeable > yet in technical details of map layers you use at openstreetmap.org. > Right now I just want to display the openstreetmap.org tiles on my map > and be able to zoom in etc > then > Here is wha

Re: [OSM-talk] Contraflow bus lane

2008-10-22 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
I also have one in the centre of Sutton Coldfield. Think when I mapped it (ages and ages ago) I made it two separate ways which obviously isn't right. So interested to hear what people think. Cheers Andy >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:talk- >[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Beh

[OSM-talk] Contraflow bus lane

2008-10-22 Thread David Earl
I came across a contraflow bus lane yesterday. If it were a contraflow cycle lane I'd mark the road "cycleway=lane_opposite". has anyone had occasion to do the equivalent for for buses? There's nothing in Map_features to guide me. (Actually come to think it it, there is nothing to allow me to m

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Lukasz Szybalski
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Tom Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lukasz Szybalski wrote: >> >> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Tom Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Lukasz Szybalski wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Tom Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Tom Hughes
Lukasz Szybalski wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Tom Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Lukasz Szybalski wrote: >>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Tom Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Mapnik is just a rendering engine - where you put the tiles that it generates and ho

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-22 Thread Matthias Julius
Pieren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Matthias Julius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I'd much rather have the discussion here on the list (or on a >> dedicated list). >> If a consensus has been reached Map Features can be updated. I don't >> think there is a need fo

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Lukasz Szybalski
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Tom Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lukasz Szybalski wrote: >> >> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Tom Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Mapnik is just a rendering engine - where you put the tiles that it >>> generates and how your web server maps URLs

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-22 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Matthias Julius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd much rather have the discussion here on the list (or on a > dedicated list). > If a consensus has been reached Map Features can be updated. I don't > think there is a need for a formal voting process (especially if i

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Tom Hughes
Lukasz Szybalski wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Tom Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Mapnik is just a rendering engine - where you put the tiles that it >> generates and how your web server maps URLs to those tiles is nothing to do >> with mapnik. >> >> Our mapnik tile server uses

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-22 Thread Ed Loach
> How does a UK printed map of France look like? It probably depends on the publisher. I have to hand a 2001 Europe Road Atlas, printed in the UK by Collins. This doesn't distinguish between primary and trunk roads in the UK (all are red) and Motorways are green with two narrow yellow lines down t

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Lukasz Szybalski
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Tom Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lukasz Szybalski wrote: > >> ok so I kind of got this url working: >> >> http://www.openlayers.org/dev/examples/tms.html >> >> url:http://tile.openstreetmap.org/ >> image:png >> layer_name: .. (two dots because 1.0.0 gets add

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-22 Thread Matthias Julius
Ben Laenen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Of course not, green trunk roads and blue motorways don't make a lot of > sense in 99% of the world. It makes sense in the UK, where this project > happens to have started, so now that it became a true worldwide > project, why can't we give other countri

[OSM-talk] Introducing CloudMade mapping ambassadors

2008-10-22 Thread SteveC
Hi CloudMade feels that helping the US community grow would be a good thing and to that end we've been hiring, for want of a better term, mapping ambassadors. These full-time employees will be doing things like running mapping parties, speaking at events, doing webinars and anything else w

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Tom Hughes
Lukasz Szybalski wrote: > ok so I kind of got this url working: > > http://www.openlayers.org/dev/examples/tms.html > > url:http://tile.openstreetmap.org/ > image:png > layer_name: .. (two dots because 1.0.0 gets added to the url > "http://tile.openstreetmap.org/1.0.0/...) > > I've been told th

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-22 Thread Matthias Julius
"Robert (Jamie) Munro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I for one don't vote very much, but do care about due process and the > results. I will follow the tagging advice that has been voted for, > because I know that several people have thought about the issues and > more of them thought one option w

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Lukasz Szybalski
ok so I kind of got this url working: http://www.openlayers.org/dev/examples/tms.html url:http://tile.openstreetmap.org/ image:png layer_name: .. (two dots because 1.0.0 gets added to the url "http://tile.openstreetmap.org/1.0.0/...) I've been told that mapnik/openstreetmap.org uses "flipped TMS

Re: [OSM-talk] Yet another street number scheme

2008-10-22 Thread Rory McCann
On 16/10/08 18:26, Karl Newman wrote: > There is nothing to associate > the node to the street other than MAYBE the name, which is pretty poor > for a relational data model. It could be misspelled or linked to the > wrong street with a similar name or even just the wrong section of the > street

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Nico Mandery
Lukasz Szybalski schrieb: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Ed Loach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I realise now that one of those two examples uses an offline tile >> source - it's interesting to see how much the area around here has >> changed, but not much use for you. >> >> Hopefully this

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-22 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 22 October 2008, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: > Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Hi, > > > > vegard wrote: > >>> Is it really so important for the map to look the same in Chile > >>> and in China? Of course not, green trunk roads and blue motorways don't make a lot of sense in 99% of the worl

Re: [OSM-talk] Broken Coastline?

2008-10-22 Thread Tristan Scott
I changed the direction of cockshoot broad (it was indeed spun backwards) but couldn't fin anything wrong with the coastline - possibly someone had already fixed it, possibly a bad tile temporarily? anyway, seems ok now. Thanks, all! Tristan 2008/10/22 Rob Reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Tristan Sco

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Lukasz Szybalski
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Ed Loach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I realise now that one of those two examples uses an offline tile > source - it's interesting to see how much the area around here has > changed, but not much use for you. > > Hopefully this one is more use? > http://www.openlay

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
Joseph wrote: "Option 0: The OSM database has an added 'license' tag and the map can be viewed and edited through a PD filter. A second set of map tiles will need to be rendered. Any data edited in PD mode will (by default) have a PD tag applied. Stuff like TIGER can be thrown directly into the dat

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Ed Loach
Lucas wrote: > So now what is the layer name for this url? I know the image is > png: > > http://www.openlayers.org/dev/examples/tms.html > > I replaced the url with "http://tile.openstreetmap.org/"; what > is the layer_name? > > Is this url working for you? What options you have selected? Wha

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-22 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
I'm happy with wikipedia PD as well. The Sunburned Surveyor On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:28 AM, Joseph Gentle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm happy with that. Thankyou :) > > -J > > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Kari Pihkala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I counted the votes for PD "license" so

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-22 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > vegard wrote: >>> Is it really so important for the map to look the same in Chile and in >>> China? >> Well. You have to remember that rendering is not all, > > Ok, then: "Is it really so important for routing software

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-22 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > >>> We have no mechanism to divide "good" from "bad" ideas. If you start >>> putting your ideas about what you think is good and "should" be used on >>> Map Features, then I will start putting mine on there as well, and

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Lukasz Szybalski
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Grant Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lukasz Szybalski wrote: >> >> So its safe to assume that TMS is what mapnik provides? (only) and if >> I want WMS I would have to create that service on my server? >> > > Your server yes. OSM's tile servers do TMS only. So

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Grant Slater
Lukasz Szybalski wrote: > So its safe to assume that TMS is what mapnik provides? (only) and if > I want WMS I would have to create that service on my server? > Your server yes. OSM's tile servers do TMS only. Mapnik WMS support. http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/OgcServer / Grant

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > bvh wrote: > >> My ideal license would force them to divulge their private GIS data >> on signal strength > > Oh right. I just want to make a map. :D -J > cheers > Richard ___

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Lukasz Szybalski
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:51 AM, Chris Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lukasz Szybalski wrote: >> >> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Grant Slater >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Lukasz Szybalski wrote: >>> Hello, I am trying to use the turbogears widget for openlayers an

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
bvh wrote: > My ideal license would force them to divulge their private GIS data > on signal strength Oh right. I just want to make a map. cheers Richard ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-ta

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Rob Myers
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Of course, none of us are ever going to agree on any of this. :) We agree on that. :-) - Rob. ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread bvh
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 01:31:54PM +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > Good luck steaming up community pressure for Apple opening up on stuff > > that they have taken from the PD. It is not going to happen. > http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/10.5.5/ Most software on that list, sir, is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread spaetz
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 01:26:20PM +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > bvh wrote: > > > If garmin closes their devices for non-garmin signed datasets (ala > > TomTom) then you could very well end up paying for the privilege to use > > your own data. > > Sure, but that's an utterly different issue -

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread bvh
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:18:24AM +1200, Joseph Gentle wrote: > > I understand this, and I find it a step backwards. But that's probably > > just me. > Perhaps linux could require that all applications that made system > calls were GPL licensed too. Surely that would increase GPL adoption; > and t

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:34 AM, Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > bvh wrote: > >> Note that there is no pd-violations.org > > /me blinks in astonishment > /me decides there really is nothing more he can bring to this party > > Gustav was right. Let's talk OSM. > > cheers > Richard B

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
bvh wrote: > Note that there is no pd-violations.org /me blinks in astonishment /me decides there really is nothing more he can bring to this party Gustav was right. Let's talk OSM. cheers Richard ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:/

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
bvh wrote: > Good luck steaming up community pressure for Apple opening up on stuff > that they have taken from the PD. It is not going to happen. http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/10.5.5/ HTH :) cheers Richard ___ legal-talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread bvh
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:47:00PM +1200, Joseph Gentle wrote: > > So share-alike itself actually ain't that helpful if the person > > doesn't really want to contribute back. > > > > But if you use community pressure, rather than trying to get medieval > > on their licensing ass, you can get a grea

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:00 PM, bvh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Apple I think we have heard enough of what Apple have done, might have done, probably would have done and have not done for a while. Could we again start focusing on a license for the OSM database? - Gustav

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
bvh wrote: > If garmin closes their devices for non-garmin signed datasets (ala > TomTom) then you could very well end up paying for the privilege to use > your own data. Sure, but that's an utterly different issue - that's an issue about whether or not Garmin allows third-party maps to be inst

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread bvh
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:42:23PM +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > If you think Apple wouldn't do that just look at webkit. I am quite > > convinced that had that one been pd they would just have forked it and > > never looked back... > Actually, WebKit - which is licensed LGPL and BSD, _not_ G

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Rob Myers wrote: > I am not going to argue against the power of community, but Apple and > bus companies and J. Random Enclosurer are not in the "community" as > socially rather than legally constituted. See, this is what I dislike - correction, this is one of several things I dislike - about s

Re: [OSM-talk] APIs down?

2008-10-22 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Milenko schrieb: All of my clients are currently failing to download data from any of the APIs. Are they really down, or do I have some other problem? Main API reports a 500 Internal Server Error, ROMA gives a 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable, and XAPI gives 501 Internal Server Error. ROMA

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:41 PM, bvh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I understand this, and I find it a step backwards. But that's probably > just me. > > cu bart Perhaps linux could require that all applications that made system calls were GPL licensed too. Surely that would increase GPL adoption

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread bvh
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:49:18PM +1100, Joseph Gentle wrote: > You say 'everyone else is worse off' if they use a PD map. It seems > like the bus company wins - they have more passengers. The passengers > win - they can learn about the busses more easily. The environment > wins (less cars on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Tiger 2007 Data

2008-10-22 Thread Nick Hocking
Hi, I think that it's critical that work done by users up to now is not erased or corrupted by a bulk upload of data. Therefore the new Tiger data should not relpace users data nor should it be placed on top of, underneath, or intertwined with the current users data. Ideally, if a tile has been u

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?

2008-10-22 Thread Chris Jones
Lukasz Szybalski wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Grant Slater > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Lukasz Szybalski wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> I am trying to use the turbogears widget for openlayers and I'm having >>> hard time figuring out how to point to openstreetmaps.org tiles. >>>

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread spaetz
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 09:01:25AM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Guys OSM isn't going PD... > > Who can say? OSM goes where the community wants it to. You were present > at SOTM 07; do you remember the show of hands when people were asked > what they think about PD? It was pretty much 50:50,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread Rob Myers
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Liz wrote: > >> I don't want PD for my data because then I can see the company like >> Garmin >> freely using it to update their maps and still charging me for my >> data. > > But this is what I never get when people w

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Rob Myers wrote: > I had assumed it was a kind of stew. ;-) Many a true word... cheers Richard ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Liz wrote: > I don't want PD for my data because then I can see the company like > Garmin > freely using it to update their maps and still charging me for my > data. But this is what I never get when people wheel out the old canard of "the tragedy of the commons". These days, the commons is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread Rob Myers
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Jukka Rahkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It would be annoying to contribute first to PD and then separately to > OpenStreetMap-share alike, but I am not astonished if that will be the only > way > to support both PD and OSM. It is a pity that I do not have loc

[OSM-talk] Planet dump delayed

2008-10-22 Thread Jon Burgess
The file created by the planet dump this morning was truncated and I've restarted the script to create another. The Mapnik layer rendering and the export tab for the Mapnik layer will be broken until this evening as well. Jon ___ talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] [josm-dev] ewmsplugin on win32

2008-10-22 Thread Gert Gremmen
Ignore the previous message. It was meant for Josm-dev list. Selected the wrong talk Apologies for the mistake Gert Gremmen - Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [OSM-talk] [josm-dev] ewmsplugin on win32

2008-10-22 Thread Gert Gremmen
I have exactly the same results but only a 62 kB file and I used another website of course. No errors, redirection seems to work. The file created contains a lot of random data, not only 00 or something regular. I suppose it actually creates the right image but in some wrong png format (for window

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Steve, SteveC wrote: > Guys OSM isn't going PD... Who can say? OSM goes where the community wants it to. You were present at SOTM 07; do you remember the show of hands when people were asked what they think about PD? That the Foundation is investigating share-alike licenses and not PD is due