Re: [talk-au] Cycleway/footway/path

2009-08-10 Thread Stephen Hope
Umm, not the case at all. Highway= comes from the old english use, where highway means "way/path/track you use to get somewhere". These days we assume roads and cars, but that's not the way it was originally designed. Stephen 2009/8/10 John Smith : > To play devils advocate here for a second, sh

Re: [talk-au] Basic search, first attempt

2009-08-12 Thread Stephen Hope
Hopetoun, Vic and WA, both towns. I got into trouble with this once, because I'd only ever heard of the Vic one, and one of our clients was talking about the WA one, so I arranged for a meeting in the wrong state. Not quite as bad as the French firm that tried sending a package to me in Austria,

Re: [talk-au] Basic search, first attempt

2009-08-12 Thread Stephen Hope
Yeah, that's correct. Sorry, I didn't mean to use it as a reference in that way, but a quick run through of the list in name order will give you an idea of how many duplicates there are, and how big the problem is likely to be. It's interesting to have a quick look in postcode order as well - it'

Re: [talk-au] Bruce Highway... A1 only or A1+M1 ?

2009-08-19 Thread Stephen Hope
I just double checked on the way home from work. There are no A1 markings anywhere near the end of the Bruce Highway. The gateway arterial is marked as M1 - I'm not sure how far, but I think from memory at least as far as where it runs into the SE Freeway on the other side of the river, at which

Re: [talk-au] Would anyone buy one of these?

2009-08-20 Thread Stephen Hope
I do own one - I got one the first time round. I wear it when cycling at dusk/night - even when I'm not surveying. I've noticed that if I'm wearing that, I get ignored a lot more in some places, but attract more attention in others. Stephen 2009/8/21 John Smith : > or wear one? > > http://www.so

Re: [talk-au] Would anyone buy one of these?

2009-08-20 Thread Stephen Hope
I bought mine from Graham Smith in the UK (last year some time). He still uses sonicresolutions domain to host pictures and email etc, but you're not buying from the company as such. And that assumes he's even the person still selling them, which I'm not sure. It was Andy talking about them on t

Re: [talk-au] Tentative data source - Sunshine Coast Council

2009-08-26 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/8/26 Jeff Price : > > The council are also interested in correcting errors in their own data given > that today they are largely corrected via public complaints and subsequent > site surveys. If someone has some wizzy ideas on how to determine the > difference between the datasets then you'd

Re: [talk-au] Australian bushwalking tracks

2009-09-21 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/9/22 swanilli : > I agree with Evan's view that "We should emphasis tagging properties and not > uses." Some of my local streets have a painted cycleway sign but it makes > little sense to tag the street as highway=cycleway, rather than say, > highway=residential. A cycleway sign painted on

Re: [talk-au] Australian bushwalking tracks

2009-09-22 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/9/22 John Henderson : > > Bicycle lanes marked on roads are usually more than a suggestion. They > confer legal obligations. Some excerpts from the Australian Road Rules: > > "A driver (except the rider of a bicycle) must not drive in a > bicycle lane, unless the driver is permitted to driv

Re: [talk-au] Gatton, QLD

2009-09-23 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/9/23 John Smith : > > No, source=survey isn't ambiguous at all it's spelt out clearly on the > map features page: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Annotation > Actually, that is ambiguous - or rather incomplete. It says "gpx track or other physical survey" There is no dis

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-06 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/10/6 John Smith : > If you look at this from the point of view of territorial waters the > coastline is from either the high or low tide marks, they spell it out > in legalese and I can't remember off the top of my head, but the coast > line cuts across any river/delta/bay mouths, except where

[talk-au] Boundary ways/relations

2009-12-03 Thread Stephen Hope
I have a question about the suburb boundary ways that have been imported for Australia a while back. The boundary ways often follow a road, or the coast, or a stream or river. Some of the ways are other things, as well as a boundary (a stream, for example) but some of the boundary ways are basic

[talk-au] Using Nearmap with JOSM

2009-12-07 Thread Stephen Hope
I'm looking to use Nearmap with JOSM. I was doing so quite happily with the old instructions (using the tested version from bigtincan as listed in the Nearmap page on the Wiki) but I made the mistake of upgrading JOSM, as it told me mine was out of date. Now I can't seem to get any version of Sli

[talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-13 Thread Stephen Hope
I'm looking for some guidance on tagging for "Sports Clubs". I'm not sure if these are an Australian wide thing, or just a QLD invention. I'm talking about the buildings that are run by (or for), are named after, and support a sports club or organisation, but actually don't have any thing to do w

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-14 Thread Stephen Hope
The reason I thought they may be a QLD thing is the state Government here licences them a bit differently from your average pub (or used to, I haven't checked lately). Thus the (official) members only rules, connection to a sport club, etc. This connection can be quite vague - the one nearest my

Re: [talk-au] Common or not??

2009-12-20 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/12/21 Elizabeth Dodd : > > I think using a bus route type could get muddled with public transport > and we will have german tourists trying to catch the library truck to get > around. > Yeah, they're not really really related to bus-stops. All the mobile libraries I've seen tend to do 2-3 st

Re: [talk-au] Routable maps

2009-12-22 Thread Stephen Hope
Not all the img files you'll find lying around are routable. Some are, some aren't. As Matt said, some of the ones on the OSM Australia are, but not all. There are other sources as well - see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Map_On_Garmin/Download for a partial list. (Check the routable col

Re: [talk-au] SES Sheds

2009-12-26 Thread Stephen Hope
That's not just Sydney. Brisbane will clear you off the motorways, and if you break down in the City centre area they'll take you off the street there too. Stephen 2009/12/26 John Smith : > Oh and most/all motorways in Sydney have their own vehecals to tow > people off motorways to the nearest e

Re: [talk-au] Wrong way round the roundabout

2009-12-28 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/12/28 Richard Colless : > From a user's point of view, I would expect to see major roads one colour, > secondary roads another colour. I wouldn't expect to see a different colour > just because a road goes past factories instead of homes. Do "unclassified" > and "residential" both render to th

Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks

2010-01-04 Thread Stephen Hope
2010/1/5 Craig Feuerherdt : > John is right about the distinction between the "landuse" & "natural" tags. > "landuse" is about what is on the ground (trees, farming etc). I am assuming > national/state/other parks/areas should be attributed with the "natural" > tag, but "natural=what"? This has be

Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-06 Thread Stephen Hope
2010/1/7 Roy Wallace : > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: >> ===Footway== >> Now, bicycles aren't allowed on *footpaths* - ie, the path that runs along >> the side of the road. But they're generally allowed on most other paths, >> like into or through parks, around sports grou

Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-06 Thread Stephen Hope
2010/1/7 David Murn : > On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 10:49 +1000, Stephen Hope wrote: > >From a quick skim of the wiki, it seems that 'bicycle=yes' means that > bicycles are allowed on the way, where 'bicycle=designated' means the > bike has right of way.  Bikes ha

Re: [talk-au] Download a route

2010-01-09 Thread Stephen Hope
I think he's talking more about things like tourist trails, ie preset routes, and usually not the shortest way. Or bus routes, or similar things. There's a tourist route near me I keep meaning to go see if I can find the other end of, sometime. Stephen 2010/1/9 John Smith : > 2010/1/9 John Hend

Re: [talk-au] Naming bridge on road

2010-01-14 Thread Stephen Hope
Often, if a bridge is named, I think it should be rendered. In Brisbane, for example, everybody knows the Storey Bridge. Hardly anybody recognises the name of the road that crosses it (which is no longer than the bridge plus ramps). If you were given directions in cross the river on the Story bri

Re: [talk-au] access=destination

2010-01-16 Thread Stephen Hope
In one of the QLD gov handouts - "Your keys to driving in Queensland", it says "The road past the sign is not intended for through traffic. The sign may be at the entrance to a local area or at detours where local traffic is allowed to enter the work area." Doesn't actually say you can't go there

Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp

2010-01-20 Thread Stephen Hope
2010/1/21 David Murn : > Also, from the wiki for 'service': > "Generally for access to a building, motorway service station, beach, > campsite, industrial estate, business park, etc.. > > This doesnt sound wrong to me, if a service road can lead to a beach or > campsite, why not to a boatramp? A s

Re: [talk-au] Question about lanes

2010-01-22 Thread Stephen Hope
This is another one of those cases where the instructions used to be in unclear. For a while the Wiki said the count was number of lanes "in each direction". Some did that, some did total lane count. It has since been changed to the current (and I'm told former) total count, but there is quite l

Re: [talk-au] access=destination

2010-01-24 Thread Stephen Hope
2010/1/25 Roy Wallace : > >> > "The 'Local Traffic Only' sign is an advisory sign only and is not >> > regulatory. > > I don't think this is important, but this could be specified using > motor_vehicle:regulatory=no (or inferred from > motor_vehicle:source="Local Traffic Only sign") Actually, thi

Re: [talk-au] Duplicate node finder

2010-02-11 Thread Stephen Hope
Please be careful removing duplicate nodes. If a couple of ways cross, and have nodes in the same place, please make sure they should connect before just stitching them together. I've seen at least one example where a road on a bridge crossing another road underneath have been connected together

Re: [talk-au] Nearmap made Channel 7 news

2010-03-18 Thread Stephen Hope
Well, I understand the resolution over Rottnest Island is better than anywhere else, so that ought to give an idea of what they can do. But I got the impression on the forums somewhere that they got that by flying lower, thus requiring more passes, though I may be wrong - I can't find it again now

Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.

2010-04-25 Thread Stephen Hope
On 25 April 2010 18:18, John Henderson wrote: > Having just done a bit of research, I agree.  The Aust Road Rules define > a roundabout: > > "A roundabout is an intersection: > (a) with either: > (i) one or more marked lanes, all of which are for the > use of vehicles travelling in the same direct

Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.

2010-04-26 Thread Stephen Hope
On 27 April 2010 10:53, Liz wrote: > Some whisper that they have seen a painted roundabout on the road, but whether > this is a roundabout is not for us to know - according to the Road Rulez it > ain't a roundabout. and > They are very rare, and perhaps we should draw them out as roundabouts any

Re: [talk-au] New gateway motorway bridge duplication

2010-05-16 Thread Stephen Hope
A couple of things about the bridge. First, even though it was officially opened today, it doesn't have traffic on it until Monday week (24th). Then they do changes to the approaches, and a bit later shut the old bridge down for six months for refurbishment. We'll have to keep changing things her

Re: [talk-au] Tagging stormwater drain areas?

2010-05-16 Thread Stephen Hope
Andrew, Is this what you are talking about? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/basin%3Dinfiltration http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-February/034383.html Stephen On 17 May 2010 14:15, Andrew Gregory wrote: > I'd like to thank everyone who replied. While t

Re: [talk-au] Buildings

2010-06-14 Thread Stephen Hope
No. But when I do buildings, it's almost always as part of a larger compound of some sort. So a I might tag a whole area as a school or tafe, retail centre or church, then tag the buldings inside them as just building. If I was doing stand-alone buildings I would be more likely to tag them separ

[talk-au] Residential landuse

2010-06-16 Thread Stephen Hope
I'm doing some work on the outskirts of Brisbane, where the properties start to get bigger, doing some clean up. And I got to wondering about residential landuse. At one end of the scale, you have inner city housing (350-1000 sq m lots), and there's no question they are residential. At the other,

Re: [talk-au] Queensland parks, forests and conservation areas

2010-06-29 Thread Stephen Hope
On 29 June 2010 21:49, James Livingston wrote: > 3) State Forests get landuse=forest. Any leisure activities (e.g camping) get > marked as their own thing, like tourism=camp_site, which isn't in this dataset > > 4) Forest Reserves and Timber Reserve (which are often adjacent to or in > State For

Re: [talk-au] Showgrounds

2010-07-30 Thread Stephen Hope
On 30 July 2010 22:27, Steve Bennett wrote: > > Meh. I look at the definition of landuse=recreation_ground and I think > it could include almost anything. Maybe you're right. There are so few > showgrounds it won't matter much either way. > > Steve Actually there are a lot of showgrounds. Pretty

Re: [talk-au] license change map

2010-11-21 Thread Stephen Hope
On 22 November 2010 11:31, Ian Sergeant wrote: > It is hard to believe that those red cities and towns are created entirely > from data that can't be relicenced. Take me as an example. I don't care what licence we use - as far as I'm concerned all my work can be PD. If people want to take thing

Re: [talk-au] MS imagery

2010-11-24 Thread Stephen Hope
On 25 November 2010 13:20, Grant Slater wrote: > On 25 November 2010 03:00, John Smith wrote: >> There is no news here until they actually allow it, so far they are >> claiming they can't. > > Interesting choice of words. I think you'll find there are two separate "they"s in this sentence; the f

Re: [talk-au] MS imagery

2010-11-25 Thread Stephen Hope
On 26 November 2010 08:57, Steve Bennett wrote: > Excellent. The thought does occur that if one used "source=bing", and > started tracing now, and for some reason the legal agreement didn't > eventuate, it would be easy to simply wipe all that data. But that > would be making life complicated, I s

Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding

2011-01-11 Thread Stephen Hope
I heard that they were planning to do flights up north a few days ago, but couldn't get flight permissions, what with the state of emergency. And in the southeast (actually, pretty much everywhere, today), you'd get lovely grey clouds right now. In fact, if you look at Brisbane, it hasn't been up

Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding

2011-01-14 Thread Stephen Hope
Ben, some interesting shots there. I take it the MultiView part won't be up until later? It seems to be showing older imagery at the moment. A little bit of unfortunate image slicing here in just the wrong place. :) http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.475182,153.020904&z=20&t=k&nmd=20110113 And I

Re: [talk-au] BYO restaurants

2011-01-26 Thread Stephen Hope
On 27 January 2011 08:58, Steve Bennett wrote: > Although it's a non-issue here as pointed out below, we really should > get a policy on this. IMHO tags should reflect whatever makes the most > sense to the most people, whether that's British, American or > otherwise. I'd agree, except there's a

Re: [talk-au] Victorian Coastline

2011-01-27 Thread Stephen Hope
On 27 January 2011 21:17, Steve Bennett wrote: > Note to self: add feature to hide and render unselectable all admin=boundary. I used to always do this (using Josm filters) when working in country areas around Qld, the shire boundaries and roads were always interfering with each other. Then I st

Re: [talk-au] Relicensing per changeset?

2011-02-02 Thread Stephen Hope
On 3 February 2011 09:28, David Murn wrote: > I also wonder how this works, using your example, if the user had > entered street names and then another user came along and fixed a > spelling mistake in one which they had surveyed themselves.  When the > changeset is relicenced, you have v1 of an o

Re: [talk-au] Railway Station Naming Dispute

2011-02-03 Thread Stephen Hope
I'd keep both names - name= and alt_name= ( or old_name=). This is better for lookup purposes, as either version would then find this station. And it's not wrong, as it seems the other version was correct at one time. Whether that would be acceptable to the other editor is another problem. Ste

Re: [talk-au] Relicensing per changeset?

2011-02-05 Thread Stephen Hope
On 5 February 2011 15:30, Andrew Gregory wrote: > > Surely that can't be correct? That is the way it was explained on one of the mailing lists a while back. I haven't seen any notice that it is going to change, though with the mushroom treatment we're getting, I could have easily missed it. The

Re: [talk-au] Most insanely dissected street ?

2011-06-14 Thread Stephen Hope
In SE Brisbane, Mt Cotton Road comes from the south, veers west to a roundabout, then goes both north and west from there. The first time I went to an address there, I went back and forth along two of the legs not finding it, because one of the legs has a short piece called something else in it, s

Re: [talk-au] Princes Highway (Relation 538443)

2011-09-05 Thread Stephen Hope
I don't know about that road in particular, but I do know that in at least some highways around country NSW that when they go through a small town, the name can change to a local street name, but it is also still part of the highway. Sometimes you'll actually see both names on a sign, mostly you do

Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-09-05 Thread Stephen Hope
On 5 September 2011 19:18, Ian Sergeant wrote: > Personally, I think people shouldn't  map areas when they don't have any > knowledge of the topology and layout because I think fixing errors takes > several orders of magnitude longer than the tracing. Who cares? That's not the right comparison. D

Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-09-14 Thread Stephen Hope
On 15 September 2011 10:49, Ian Sergeant wrote: > Of all the ways in Australia, less than 50% have source tag for how the > location/name information was derived. Is that the most recent version, or the first? Also, it may be higher than that. Did you you check the change sets? Some people put

Re: [talk-au] Mapping things that no longer exist

2011-10-16 Thread Stephen Hope
Ben, True. But it also says that it is supposed to be showing a still physically visible item. Cuttings, grading, "a physical scar on the landscape". If it was on an area that's been completely built over so that you would have no way of knowing something was ever there, then I'd change the tag

Re: [talk-au] Mapping things that no longer exist

2011-10-16 Thread Stephen Hope
I don't have a problem with having the way itself in the database, but I don't think that railway=abandoned is the correct tag for it, as it doesn't fit the definition. I don't think we really have a proper, accepted method for showing historical data that is important and/or interesting to know, b

Re: [talk-au] What to tag a fire-fighting water tank?

2011-10-31 Thread Stephen Hope
True, but that doesn't mean we need to use it. When they actually bother to give the SI unit a name, I'll think about using it. In the meantime, the named metric unit of volume is the litre (L), and you can use it with all the prefixes, including KL (or cubic metre), ML etc. The prefixes don't r

Re: [talk-au] [OpenStreetMap] intersections

2011-11-29 Thread Stephen Hope
On 29 November 2011 23:53, Richard Weait wrote: > > Having a place tag is good, having a population tag is good. "Faking" > either of those for the renderer or otherwise seems bad. We're talking about hinting, not faking. Marking something as a city when it's not, that's bad. Having a specif

Re: [talk-au] [OpenStreetMap] intersections

2011-11-30 Thread Stephen Hope
On 30 November 2011 21:51, Anthony wrote: > And in the case of something like sparseness I think you can come up > with at least equivalently "correct" results, by developing the > algorithm hand in hand with input from a "good human mapper". Oh, definitely. That's why I think we can make one

Re: [talk-au] Residential Roads

2011-12-10 Thread Stephen Hope
On 11 December 2011 11:54, mick wrote: > > In northern Brisbane I have yet to see anything that shows you are moving > into a 50kph default zone. In Queensland the 50kph limit applies to all "built up areas" unless the street is marked otherwise. They don't mark the individual areas, though th

Re: [talk-au] I deleted a few locality boundaries...

2011-12-19 Thread Stephen Hope
On 19 December 2011 22:10, Ross Scanlon wrote: > > The original coastlines were from NASA PGS data and if they have been > deleted and/or merged to the ABS data then the coastline is going to be > deleted as well. Years ago, some of us spent quite a lot of time cleaning up the PGS boundaries. I

Re: [talk-au] Redaction progress

2012-07-22 Thread Stephen Hope
Yeah, I'm working on it - up in the northern suburbs at the moment, it's the area I know best. It's interesting that many streets that were showing as OK in the tools prior to the change may still be there, but are missing many nodes, so they don't match reality any more. I find you have to actua

Re: [talk-au] Brisbane bus stop density

2012-07-29 Thread Stephen Hope
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there would only be one bus stop there, or possibly one each side of the road, at best. I'll see if I can swing by that way next time I'm over that side of town, if somebody doesn't beat me to it. I suspect that a few of the other double pairs nearby should only be singles a

Re: [talk-au] Missing data

2012-08-20 Thread Stephen Hope
Diego, The discussion happened a while ago, but the redaction bot only ran a few weeks (maybe a month?) ago. It shouldn't run any more, as I understand it. Stephen On 21 August 2012 14:25, Diego Molla-Aliod wrote: > The discussions about licence change happened quite a long time ago, does > i

Re: [talk-au] Misaligned streets OSM or Bing wrong? - use survey mark?

2012-08-31 Thread Stephen Hope
On 1 September 2012 11:35, Russell Edwards wrote: > > I am still curious to know what the positional accuracy of survey markers > is meant to be, if anyone can enlighten. > > First question you have to ask is how old the survey is? Australia as a whole moves north about 7-8 cm a year (from memo

Re: [talk-au] Few questions about tagging ways in Australia

2012-09-10 Thread Stephen Hope
On 11 September 2012 01:28, Steve Bennett wrote: > Ok, for the sake of argument, how would provider A demonstrate that > OSM's data was made by copying its "compilation of facts", when > providers B and C contain exactly the same facts? Because B and C would not contain the same facts. Every m

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-18 Thread Stephen Hope
I've seen it flatly stated that Australia didn't have any real mini-roundabouts. That may have been true once, but the last few new roundabouts I've seen built near me have all been either true mini roundabouts (nothing but paint) or a couple where there is a raised centre concrete disc, but it's

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-20 Thread Stephen Hope
On 20 September 2012 09:41, Ross Scanlon wrote: > Yes it is a small roundabout as you can not legally drive over it unless > it is impractical to do so. > > The vehicle in the street view is clearly about to drive around the center > island. Whereas if it was a truck/bus/caravan it would be able

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-20 Thread Stephen Hope
I'm not saying that a mini-roundabout isn't a roundabout, it is, and all the normal signs and laws apply. What it also is, however, is traversable. If you have a vehicle that cannot go around it, because it is too large, then you're allowed to go over it. I'd be just a happy to use a normal round

Re: [talk-au] Routing "islands"

2012-10-14 Thread Stephen Hope
Well, there's a couple of reasons why you might want to save it anyway with roads close together but not joining, so JOSM can't force you not to save it. They might not actually join. There's a couple of examples near me where roads end less than a meter away from another road, but don't join up.

Re: [talk-au] Lots of amenities ?

2012-10-17 Thread Stephen Hope
David, It's up to the rendering engine how it wants to display the POI's. It doesn't matter how far apart they are, if you zoom out enough they'll overlap anyway. The thing to remember is we provide the data, the people who render the maps decide what to do with it. If they're making a static m

Re: [talk-au] 4WD only tags

2012-11-03 Thread Stephen Hope
David, When we first proposed (and started using) the 4wd_only tag, there was a lot of pushback from people who complained that it was not a verifiable tag. Track type had the same response. We were able to show them that there are signs all over Australia that say 4WD only at the start of a road.

Re: [talk-au] How Do I?

2008-02-11 Thread Stephen Hope
Liz, There are arguments about this from time to time. Generally, the abutters tags seem to be falling out of favour, though some people still like them. The general consensus seems to be to mark up an area and use landuse= tags. The good part about these is they render as area shading, rather

Re: [talk-au] How Do I?

2008-02-11 Thread Stephen Hope
Liz, They're still discussing the comms tower one, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Communications_tower For quarantine, the best I can come up with is http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Checkpoint which is still very much up in the air. May

Re: [talk-au] Test trace how many points on a road

2008-02-18 Thread Stephen Hope
There is (was?) a simplify way command available in JOSM, but you need to add one of the plugins first. Stephen On 18/02/2008, Paul Zagoridis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Greg > > Ah I did it on Potlatch -- sorry about that. > > Regards > > Paul > > > Greg Harper wrote, On 17/2/08 3:32

Re: [talk-au] secondary_link

2008-03-10 Thread Stephen Hope
Most "turn left" slip lanes are pretty obviously part of the road they are turning from - they have a long(er) tail on that road, and only a little bit that might be part of the second road. This particularly applies to ones with a give way sign at the end of them. There are a few where it's much h

Re: [talk-au] Number of lanes?

2008-03-10 Thread Stephen Hope
I think that something similar to this is going to be needed. See the discussion on these proposed tags. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Narrow_lanes#Discussion http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Passing_places#Discussion How about lanes = 0 or l

Re: [talk-au] Number of lanes?

2008-03-10 Thread Stephen Hope
A number of people seem to misread the lanes tag as total lanes on the road, not lanes in each direction. A case could be made that it should be total lanes, as that would allow for asymmetric roads to be modelled. I suspect that a lot of the lanes=1 tags really mean that it is a narrow, unmarked

Re: [talk-au] Sydney cycle routes

2008-03-18 Thread Stephen Hope
In the Brisbane Metro area, Pine Rivers shire (soon to be part of Moreton Bay) has maps available of bike routes. I looked at one to see how many there would be to map in the region. From what I can tell, they've marked every wide footpath on the map, as well as shared walkways through parks etc,

Re: [talk-au] boxes around cities

2008-09-02 Thread Stephen Hope
Yeah - look to see if they have a notes tag. > Are these the Yahoo coverage boxes you are talking about? I noticed the > one for Adelaide appeared a few months ago and confused me until I > realised that's what it was for. > > -- ___ Talk-au mailing li

[talk-au] GPS recommendation

2008-09-10 Thread Stephen Hope
I'm looking for a new GPS, optimised for OSM data collection. As such, long battery life would be a plus (that's the main problem with my current one). High accuracy is good, but I'm not looking for one of the professional quality ones (Currently have SIRF3 chip). Adding waymarks is not a real p

Re: [talk-au] GPS recommendation

2008-09-11 Thread Stephen Hope
I hadn't heard of that one before. Do you have any idea how long it operates as a GPS on battery? The GPS I have now is a multifunction device - it goes for hours without the GPS on, but turn the GPS on and it dies quickly. It is going to be used in the car with power, the one I'm looking to buy

Re: [talk-au] Which GPS receiver, Where to buy

2008-10-01 Thread Stephen Hope
I can't make it, unfortunately. I have a previous engagement. Be sure and tell us when the next one will be - Wednesdays are usually good for me, just not this one. Stephen ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.

Re: [talk-au] Edits in and around Mt Barker, SA

2008-10-20 Thread Stephen Hope
2008/10/21 Kim Hawtin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > - Are the rail and road under passes right? I have set them as > tunnels, because it makes more sense than the freeway being a > bridge, how ever what do other folks use? Without actually looking at what you've done - I've done both. If the underpass

Re: [talk-au] place=?

2008-12-02 Thread Stephen Hope
There is sometimes a difference between what a place calls itself and what it is. City of Caloundra, for example, is (was? did it amalgamate?) the whole shire, not just the town. This includes a number of different small locations, plus Caloundra itself. Even if you put them all together, it's not

Re: [talk-au] Mapnik rendering of AU cities

2008-12-04 Thread Stephen Hope
I'm not positive, but I think that the very low zoom views don't actually get a lot (any?) of their data from the live OSM data. Rather they do, but they are only updated on very occasionally. There is just too much data to be continually recreating tiles that large from the main database. The coa

Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?

2008-12-09 Thread Stephen Hope
At a guess, they wanted to use one of the roads for something that would be easier if it was in one piece, rather than split. A mini-roundabout is just one node in a way, while a roundabout breaks it up. By the way, it's not being lazy if it really is a mini-roundabout. If the island fits inside

Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?

2008-12-10 Thread Stephen Hope
There is no problem adding a turning circle to courts as long as they have one. Before the turning circle tag was rendered, I saw the occasional mini-roundabout used as a turning circle, because it "made the map look right". Stephen 2008/12/11 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > +1 > > I completely agree wi

Re: [talk-au] Time to grow up...

2008-12-13 Thread Stephen Hope
The funny thing is, I've used JOSM since I started. I'm too scared to touch Potlatch - I like to be able to review my work before I save it. Stephen 2008/12/13 Matt White : > > Basically, I've been potlatching to my hearts content for the last 18 > months, and it's served me well. But the time h

Re: [talk-au] Major road cleanup

2008-12-21 Thread Stephen Hope
I'm a little confused. Everywhere I've seen a park on the side of the road like that, it has used the same nodes, but not the same way. Splitting the way should not effect the park at all, except if you add nodes, in which case you'll need to add them to the park way as well. Or am I thinking of s

Re: [talk-au] Adelaide out of copyright street directory

2009-01-18 Thread Stephen Hope
> On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 16:23 +1100, Patrick Jordan wrote: >> This is fairly definitive: >> >> http://www.copyright.org.au/pdf/acc/infosheets_pdf/G090.pdf/view?searchterm=maps >> maps remain in copyright until 70 years after the creator's death. Actually, it's more complex than that. That is w

Re: [talk-au] Adelaide out of copyright street directory

2009-01-18 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/1/18 Liz : > Important matter on copyright duration > I realised only very recently that we haven't been reading the rules correctly > and published material - the street directory, the paper map, expires after 25 > years at midnight on the next New Years Eve > > > Published editions >

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries - getting close

2009-02-17 Thread Stephen Hope
Another reason not to go for 1 is the limit they've been talking about on the main list (in 0.6) for points in a way. I think some of the suburb borders could easily hit that limit. 2009/2/16 Franc Carter : > > The first question that I think we need to answer is, how do we represent > the > data

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundary adds confusion

2009-03-21 Thread Stephen Hope
Actually, I know many suburb boundaries which are defined as the center line of a given road. This is not at all unusual around here - whether it applies in Victoria I don't know. Stephen 2009/3/21 Andrew Harris : > I was about to map a street I'd been down a few times, but when I > loaded up pot

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-19 Thread Stephen Hope
To get imagery in Josm, you need to use the WMS menu at the top to add an imagery layer. You may need to set it up first with some plug-ins. It is certainly possible, though. Stephen 2009/5/20 Delta Foxtrot : > > > I tried JSOM briefly the other day but the entire background was black and > ma

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-24 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/5/24 Ross Scanlon : > > This is a colabrative effort when it comes to marking up items, not just what > each person feels like entering because they think that's correct it has to > be consistent Australia wide not just in your little patch. > > That's why you need to read the full wiki and

Re: [talk-au] Causeways

2009-05-25 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/5/25 Liz : > > Something else I can't work out how to tag is a jetty, the thing that juts > out into water and boats tie up to. But after 8 years of drought here, > perhaps I needn't worry too much. > > Just be grateful you're not trying to teach English to some-one who speaks Melanesian pidg

Re: [talk-au] Hi all ...

2009-06-17 Thread Stephen Hope
I've ever used Potlatch-I was nervous about having an editor that was always live - no 'edit-check-save' cycle. I understand that has recently changed, but the point is it's not that hard to use some of the other options. Stephen 2009/6/17 Dan O'Hara : > As a total newbie to this I was advised to

Re: [talk-au] Hi all ...

2009-06-17 Thread Stephen Hope
Sorry- that should be _Never_ used potlatch 2009/6/18 Stephen Hope : > I've ever used Potlatch-I was nervous about having an editor that was > always live - no 'edit-check-save' cycle. I understand that has > recently changed, but the point is it's not that hard to us

Re: [talk-au] How to map out streets the most efficently

2009-06-17 Thread Stephen Hope
This depends on the machine/software you use. My PDA/GPS (a Mio) can have the snap to road feature on and it will still store the correct raw log data. When mapping I usually turn it off, but for me it's not a requirement. Stephen 2009/6/18 Sean <4ey0ll...@sneakemail.com>: >One of the most impor

Re: [talk-au] Data Error - Junctions ?

2009-06-17 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/6/18 Rick Peterson : > Background: > I was having a look at my local area with Keepright and spotted a couple of > "dead ended one ways". On close inspection in Potlatch, I see that the > junctions have not been formed correctly. The layout of the streets, street > names etc all appear to be c

Re: [talk-au] Someone needs some help.

2009-06-21 Thread Stephen Hope
That may well have been correct when it was added. Before the barrier tagging was defined, that's how it was done. Stephen 2009/6/20 John Smith : > There seems to be a lot of highway=gate instead of barrier=gate and so on and > so forth, although it gives me something to do to put me to sleep :)

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