Re: [time-nuts] WWVB and Free Democracies Survival

2012-07-14 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
Offhand I'd estimate it would be easier for some "bad guys" to put a crude A-bomb on top of a SCUD and put America into the horse and buggy age with an EMP attack than to take out a significant number of GPS satellites. NLK in Washington state has been off the for almost two months now. Dependin

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB a different approach to d-bpsk-r (cheating)

2012-07-14 Thread paul swed
Might loose the signal not unusual and it did shift +5-8 us tonight aligned to the diurnal shift. So maybe this is not so crazy of an approach. Regards Paul On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > Well between now and midnight, you will completely loose signal at least > once.

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB and Free Democracies Survival

2012-07-14 Thread paul swed
Perry you mean like the 10' X 10' loop I put up? It has about 800 ft of wire. Brang the daytime signal fro 30 uv to an easy 60 +. Compared to a 2.5 ft loop. Yes higher power would be good. Regards paul On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Perry Sandeen wrote: > GM List, > > What has not been mention

[time-nuts] WWVB and Free Democracies Survival

2012-07-14 Thread Perry Sandeen
GM List, What has not been mentioned so far is national security needs of the democratic nations of the world for uninterrupted accurate time/frequency information that is not subject to interference or destruction by those nations diametrically opposed to personal freedom. The United States G

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB a different approach to d-bpsk-r (cheating)

2012-07-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Well between now and midnight, you will completely loose signal at least once. It's a pretty dramatic amplitude dip as sunset gets right to the "wrong" place. Bob On Jul 14, 2012, at 4:56 PM, paul swed wrote: > Bob > Yes nights are bad for me, east coast and MSF interference. > So it could

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB a different approach to d-bpsk-r (cheating)

2012-07-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
Paul, On 07/14/2012 10:56 PM, paul swed wrote: Bob Yes nights are bad for me, east coast and MSF interference. So it could be any number of 60 KHz crossing its just odd it lined up the way it did and I double confirmed that I was not doing something silly like using alternate triggers. As your

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB a different approach to d-bpsk-r (cheating)

2012-07-14 Thread paul swed
Bob Yes nights are bad for me, east coast and MSF interference. So it could be any number of 60 KHz crossing its just odd it lined up the way it did and I double confirmed that I was not doing something silly like using alternate triggers. Very careful analysis does show a 1-2 us jitter and at diu

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB a different approach to d-bpsk-r (cheating)

2012-07-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The "zero crossing" is very arbitrary. If it's correct at the transmit site, it will then be off everywhere else by the speed of light / distance. You will appear to be correct once every wavelength away from Colorado (roughly every 3 miles). You won't really be correct because you are look

[time-nuts] Advanced TBolt tuning using LH

2012-07-14 Thread WarrenS
Lady Heather is great tool to use for setting up a TBolt to make it much better than it's default settings. I've also learned several other tuning tricks to further improve a TBolt's performance, many of which would only be of interest to the extreme TBolt Nut. For example, The LadyHeather p

Re: [time-nuts] Phase modulation detection/NIST plan

2012-07-14 Thread David I. Emery
On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 06:15:14AM -0700, J. Forster wrote: > I don't see why school crossing signs, water sprinklers, street or outdoor > lighting need 1 second timing. Ten minutes, or a photocell, would be more > than adequate. While there are many many other applications, the issue for

[time-nuts] WWVB a different approach to d-bpsk-r (cheating)

2012-07-14 Thread paul swed
OK have been doing a lot of experimenting. I was curious what is the GPS tick in relationship to wwvb. Especially since it is a reliable 1 sec marker. Using a Tbolt since everyone has one on the list. ;-) And monitoring the 10 us tick to the wwvb 60 Khz carrier on a scope. Amazingly and over at lea

Re: [time-nuts] Solar flare alert

2012-07-14 Thread Jim Lux
On 7/14/12 9:19 AM, Joseph Gray wrote: Perhaps some of the cellular bands aren't affected, perhaps some are. I don't know the specific cause of yesterday's loss.. GPS uses around 1200/1500 MHz. The phone in question uses 850/1900 Mhz bands, so I think we're in the neighborhood. GPS signals pas

Re: [time-nuts] Solar flare alert

2012-07-14 Thread Joseph Gray
Perhaps some of the cellular bands aren't affected, perhaps some are. I don't know the specific cause of yesterday's loss.. GPS uses around 1200/1500 MHz. The phone in question uses 850/1900 Mhz bands, so I think we're in the neighborhood. Joe Gray W5JG On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Alan Melia

Re: [time-nuts] Solar flare alert...not quite

2012-07-14 Thread Said Jackson
Looks like this flare was a non-event: http://www.jackson-labs.com/images/gpsstat.htm On Jul 14, 2012, at 7:49, "Alan Melia" wrote: > It's not actually a flare.that has been and gobe it a great bif glob of > plasma, ejected by the same region. Spaceweather.com has a reputation for > ove

Re: [time-nuts] Solar flare alert

2012-07-14 Thread Alan Melia
Joe, Cellphone frequencies are little affected by ionospheric effects, so I would be surprised if that was an effect though GPS is a different matter, or sat-phone. Alan G3NYK - Original Message - From: "Joseph Gray" To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent:

Re: [time-nuts] Sigem SGM5610 GPS module AKA MKN5610

2012-07-14 Thread Azelio Boriani
Using the FILECROP searching tool a .PDF of 48MB comes out... maybe the size indication is wrong. On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 4:42 PM, wrote: > Not sure what you've found that's 48MB, this one is only 1650KB:-) > > _http://rapidshare.com/files/317504924/MKN5610_060502.pdf_ > (http://rapidshare.com/fi

Re: [time-nuts] Solar flare alert...not quite

2012-07-14 Thread Alan Melia
It's not actually a flare.that has been and gobe it a great bif glob of plasma, ejected by the same region. Spaceweather.com has a reputation for over-hyping these CME events. I could cause problems but there are a lot of conditions to be met before it is a disaster. Enjoy the aurora :-))

Re: [time-nuts] Sigem SGM5610 GPS module AKA MKN5610

2012-07-14 Thread GandalfG8
Not sure what you've found that's 48MB, this one is only 1650KB:-) _http://rapidshare.com/files/317504924/MKN5610_060502.pdf_ (http://rapidshare.com/files/317504924/MKN5610_060502.pdf) It does mention a software utility called ADK View, but I've never found a copy of that. Regards Nigel G

[time-nuts] L/H Screen Resolution setting

2012-07-14 Thread Brad Dye
I am a bit confused about Lady Heather's settings for screen resolution. /vc=rowsXcols - custom screen size (e.g. /vc=1200x800) My laptop's native resolution is 1280 x 800 pixels but pixels and rows & cols are different measurements right? Is there a correlation? I am getting the "scaled down"

Re: [time-nuts] Sigem SGM5610 GPS module AKA MKN5610

2012-07-14 Thread Azelio Boriani
Oh, is it the 48MB .PDF I have just seen? Then no utilities... this is very strange. On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Azelio Boriani wrote: > Yes, interesting... I have never downloaded but maybe in those files there > is a utility, a viewer, a document that is useful with other GPS receivers > o

Re: [time-nuts] Sigem SGM5610 GPS module AKA MKN5610

2012-07-14 Thread Azelio Boriani
Yes, interesting... I have never downloaded but maybe in those files there is a utility, a viewer, a document that is useful with other GPS receivers or even for other purposes. On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 4:13 PM, wrote: > Just out of interest, does anyone know why the Sigem SGM5610 GPS module, >

[time-nuts] Sigem SGM5610 GPS module AKA MKN5610

2012-07-14 Thread GandalfG8
Just out of interest, does anyone know why the Sigem SGM5610 GPS module, later rebranded as the Mobile Knowledge MKN5610, seems to be very popular? I can't find a spec for 1PPS accuracy in either the data sheet or manual so wouldn't expect too much demand for timing purposes, but of all the

Re: [time-nuts] Phase modulation detection/NIST plan

2012-07-14 Thread J. Forster
I don't see why school crossing signs, water sprinklers, street or outdoor lighting need 1 second timing. Ten minutes, or a photocell, would be more than adequate. Synchronized traffic lights, perhaps. But there are other cheaper, ways of doing that like a simple radio link. -John ==

Re: [time-nuts] Phase modulation detection/NIST plan

2012-07-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I think the answer to "how many places would it be used" is to simply count the number of things that have the wrong time on them each time the power burps. There are maybe a dozen gizmos like that in this room (yes I'm in the kitchen). Bob On Jul 14, 2012, at 12:41 AM, Hal Murray wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Phase modulation detection/NIST plan

2012-07-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/14/2012 06:47 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: The key thing GPS is lacking is Daylight Savings Time. WWV & WWVB have the DST bits that allow a clock to show the local time. One reason GPS doesn't have it is that it is not coordinated globally. For instance, US is not shifting DST at the s

Re: [time-nuts] Lock-in amplifier as wwvb receiver

2012-07-14 Thread David Kirkby
On 14 July 2012 04:04, Bill Fuqua wrote: >Has anyone ever used an Lock-in Amplifier such as > a PAR HR-8 or later models as part of a receiving > system for WWVB? These are mostly used in detecting > weak signals in noise in scientific experiments. Some have used > the analog output to phase l