Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Greg
re that I agree that wireless has higher uptime than fiber. > > > > > > > > >- > > >Mike Hammett > > >Intelligent Computing Solutions > > >http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >From: &

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread RickG
utions > >http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > >-------------- > >From: "Tom DeReggi" > >Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:40 AM > >To: "WISPA General List" > >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the t

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Mike Hammett
haul links. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Tom DeReggi" Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:48 AM To: ; "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Richey
neral List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us I'm not sure I agree either, but wireless obviously can't be cut. With that though, our fiber hasn't been out more than twice in 5 years. -- Original Message -

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Tom DeReggi
hoemaker" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us > Exactly. The terms "wireless" and "fiber" are too broad to make any > valid reliability comparison

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Tom DeReggi
Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Brian Webster" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us > Tom, > When you make the

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Brad Belton
nts: Location - Location - Location Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 8:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be t

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
Exactly. The terms "wireless" and "fiber" are too broad to make any valid reliability comparison without more specifics. Comparing a licensed point to point microwave system with redundant paths, spatial diversity, standby power, and a tower structure rated to 150 MPH to an aerial fiber strand

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Bret Clark
Brian Webster wrote: > Fiber deployments have been commonplace between > telephone switches for years now and I have never heard about reliability > issues and/or downtime problems with the fiber. Not that they don't happen > but when you average their uptime to their outages, I would think they ha

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Bret Clark
--- From: "Tom DeReggi" Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:40 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us Agreed, Brett. I see people use business Cable all the time, UNTIL they have an outage,

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Chuck Hogg
- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us I'm not sure I agree either, but wireless obviously ca

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Brian Webster
ispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 8:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us Agreed, Brett. I see people use business Cable all the time, UNTIL they have an outage,

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Stuart Pierce
eggi" >Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:40 AM >To: "WISPA General List" >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us > >> Agreed, Brett. >> >> I see people use business Cable all the time, UNTIL they have an outage, >

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Mike Hammett
l List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us > Agreed, Brett. > > I see people use business Cable all the time, UNTIL they have an outage, > and then they loose all their customers feeding off it after that. > If there is one Thing the

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Tom DeReggi
s. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Bret Clark To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us Blah...I w

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
h. marlon - Original Message - From: "Jayson Baker" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us > So lie to them, and tell them you're standing there and the

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-10 Thread Josh Luthman
27;s just 1.5 hours away. > > The point of the whole story is crappy, ignorant support levels. > > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Josh Luthman" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 1:47 PM > Subject: Re: [WI

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I have a key to the house. It's just 1.5 hours away. The point of the whole story is crappy, ignorant support levels. marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] W

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-10 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
reless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 5:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us When it's a DSL or cable connection I typically say I rebooted the modem and my PC is plugged into

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-10 Thread Josh Luthman
When it's a DSL or cable connection I typically say I rebooted the modem and my PC is plugged into it. On 1/10/10, Jayson Baker wrote: > So lie to them, and tell them you're standing there and the DSL light is > blinking. Or whatever they want to hear. > That person is probably a $10/hr individu

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-10 Thread Jayson Baker
So lie to them, and tell them you're standing there and the DSL light is blinking. Or whatever they want to hear. That person is probably a $10/hr individual paid to follow a flow chart, and doesn't know what to do if your answers don't fall in-line with that chart. I've done this many times. Eve

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-10 Thread Bret Clark
al List" Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 1:41 PM Subject: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us I have a tower down. It's fed by a *business* grade DSL link. Can't get to the main router at that local. So I log onto the Century Tel (cen

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-10 Thread Tom Sharples
10 1:41 PM Subject: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us >I have a tower down. It's fed by a *business* grade DSL link. > > Can't get to the main router at that local. > > So I log onto the Century Tel (century link nowadays) web site go find

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-10 Thread Josh Luthman
I take it you never took our advice to have the guts in a NEMA box outside? If you did you can at least get it working yourself... On 1/10/10, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > I have a tower down. It's fed by a *business* grade DSL link. > > Can't get to the main router at that local. > > So I log on

[WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I have a tower down. It's fed by a *business* grade DSL link. Can't get to the main router at that local. So I log onto the Century Tel (century link nowadays) web site go find a phone number for tech support. IF there is a phone number on their Microsoft Bing cloan of a web site, I couldn't