Detroit Music
Don't know if this is on vinyl, but here's some new music from Detroit... Original by T. Linder, mixes by Andrew Red Hand, Annix, Di'jital, DJ 3000, Dynamik Bass System, Kero, Stealther, Mr. 3p, N-ter, Toil, Will Web. https://pro.beatport.com/release/liver-noise-remixes/1671234 There is still a lot of good music being made here, under the radar, and while many of the big names coast based on their past achievements, lots of folks are hard work in their studios. Some you've never heard of. Hell, I live here and I never the name Gari Romalis in my life until the links were posted here. ~David
Blaringly obvious Detroit music related fact...
just found out that Jay Daniels (who is hot to trot over here in the UK right now) is the son ofNaomi Daniels (who did vocals on Carl Craig's Stars amongst others). Sorry, that's all the 313 gossip I've got right now! Jason
RE: Detroit Music Conference on Friday!!
All the best for this, it looks great. I wish I could join you. From: Denise Dalphond [mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com] Sent: 21 May 2014 00:10 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Detroit Music Conference on Friday!! Detroit Sound Conservancy Conference will be happening at the downtown branch of the Detroit Public Library this Friday from 10-6. Here is the link: http://detroitsoundconservancy.org/conference/ Here is the facebook event: https://www.facebook.com/events/589866551096972/ Here is a description: Please join the Detroit Sound Conservancy for their first conference on Detroit music entitled “Conserving Sounds, Telling Stories.” The conference will feature local, national, and international journalists, scholars, archivists, and sound activists presenting papers on the history and culture of Detroit music. Topics will include the history and practice of Detroit music journalism, historical designation efforts related to Detroit music history, Wikiing about Detroit music, Detroit’s historic ballrooms, the history of Detroit radio mix shows, and the compelling need to attend to Detroit’s diverse musical legacies. Presenters will also discuss music genres such as jazz, rhythm blues, Latin, house, techno, rock, punk, and more. The conference will take place in the Music, Arts, and Literature Department and the E. Azalia Hackley Reading Room at the Main Branch of the Detroit Public Library. The deadline for presentation/workshop proposals was Friday, February 28, 2014. Single presentations will be 15-20 minutes long and panels will be 60-75 minutes plus QA. Sponsorship opportunities are still available. Schedule Times and speakers subject to change. All Day Special Black History 101 Mobile Museum display on Detroit music Detroit Music Book Display by Cully Sommers of the Music, Arts, and Literature Department 10:15 – 10:30: Introductions Welcome by Carleton S. Gholz Opening Remarks by Denise Dalphond 10:30 – 11:45: Panel 1 Michelle McKinney, “Planning for a Detroit Sound Legacy” Rebecca Binno Savage, “A United Sound Systems Designation Update” Madelynn Shackelford Washington, “The Detroit Techno Ontology: A Tool for Describing the Digital Diaspora” Edward Vielmetti, “Wiking for Detroit Sound: Problems and Possibilities” 12:00 – 1:15 Panel 2 Veronica Grandison Richard Marcil, “The Graystone Ballroom Legacy” Leo Early, “Space is the place: From the Village to the Michigan Palace” Consuela Lopez and Osvaldo “Ozzie” Rivera, “The Impact of Latin Artists and Music in Detroit” Panel 3 Mike Rubin, “Life After Death: Towards An Understanding of Detroit’s Punk Diaspora” John Williams, “All My Friends are Legends” Cliff Helm, “Recapturing Lost Sounds” Mark Slobin, “Subcultures Meet the Superculture in High School, 1940s-60s” 2:00 – 3:15 Panel 4 Detroit Music Journalism Past, Present, Future Moderated by Walter Wasacz Panelists will include: W. Kim Heron, Keith Owens, Veronica Grandison, and Susan Whitall 3:30 – 4:45 Panel 5 Brendan Gillen, “Chicago Underground: The True Story of House Music” Marlon Bailey, “Black Queer Ballroom” Bernardo Attias, “Sounds of the City in Distress: Sonic Appropriation and Cultural Hybridity in Detroit Techno” Denise Dalphond, “Detroit Players: Wax, Trax, and Soul in Electronic Music.” Panel 6 Khary Turner, “What is Hip Hop Journalism?” Carleton Gholz, “The Rise and Fall of the Detroit Radio Mix Show” Alex Blue V, “Illuminating Detroit’s Place in the Hip-Hop Narrative” Matthew Chicoine, “The Detroit Way: Creative Exchange in Music Production, 1950-2000” 5 – 5:45 Edgar Arceneaux, “A Time to Break Silence, MLK, UR 2001 A Space Odyssey” 5:45 – 6 pm Lauren Murtagh, “The Dan Sicko Papers” In addition, on Saturday, May 24th, DSC Founder Carleton Gholz will be helping guide a tour of Detroit beyond Hart Plaza for music lovers in town for Movement Electronic Music Festival. Limited tickets are now available here. Please send inquiries to detroitsoundconservancyATgmail.com or leave questions at 313-444-8242 Please tweet to #detsound Updated 9 May 2014 -- Denise Dalphond, PhD Ethnomusicologist www.schoolcraftwax.comhttp://www.schoolcraftwax.com http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. -
Re: Detroit Music Conference on Friday!!
Admirable work in getting these panels up, I wish I could be there! Best wishes for the conference. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Daniel Bean daniel.b...@bbc.co.uk wrote: All the best for this, it looks great. I wish I could join you. *From:* Denise Dalphond [mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 21 May 2014 00:10 *To:* 313@hyperreal.org *Subject:* Detroit Music Conference on Friday!! Detroit Sound Conservancy Conference will be happening at the downtown branch of the Detroit Public Library this Friday from 10-6. Here is the link: http://detroitsoundconservancy.org/conference/ Here is the facebook event: https://www.facebook.com/events/589866551096972/ Here is a description: Please join the Detroit Sound Conservancy for their first conference on Detroit music entitled “Conserving Sounds, Telling Stories.” The conference will feature local, national, and international journalists, scholars, archivists, and sound activists presenting papers on the history and culture of Detroit music. Topics will include the history and practice of Detroit music journalism, historical designation efforts related to Detroit music history, Wikiing about Detroit music, Detroit’s historic ballrooms, the history of Detroit radio mix shows, and the compelling need to attend to Detroit’s diverse musical legacies. Presenters will also discuss music genres such as jazz, rhythm blues, Latin, house, techno, rock, punk, and more. The conference will take place in the Music, Arts, and Literature Department and the E. Azalia Hackley Reading Room at the Main Branch of the Detroit Public Library. The deadline for presentation/workshop proposals was Friday, February 28, 2014. Single presentations will be 15-20 minutes long and panels will be 60-75 minutes plus QA. Sponsorship opportunities are still available. Schedule Times and speakers subject to change. All Day Special Black History 101 Mobile Museum display on Detroit music Detroit Music Book Display by Cully Sommers of the Music, Arts, and Literature Department 10:15 – 10:30: Introductions Welcome by Carleton S. Gholz Opening Remarks by Denise Dalphond 10:30 – 11:45: Panel 1 Michelle McKinney, “Planning for a Detroit Sound Legacy” Rebecca Binno Savage, “A United Sound Systems Designation Update” Madelynn Shackelford Washington, “The Detroit Techno Ontology: A Tool for Describing the Digital Diaspora” Edward Vielmetti, “Wiking for Detroit Sound: Problems and Possibilities” 12:00 – 1:15 Panel 2 Veronica Grandison Richard Marcil, “The Graystone Ballroom Legacy” Leo Early, “Space is the place: From the Village to the Michigan Palace” Consuela Lopez and Osvaldo “Ozzie” Rivera, “The Impact of Latin Artists and Music in Detroit” Panel 3 Mike Rubin, “Life After Death: Towards An Understanding of Detroit’s Punk Diaspora” John Williams, “All My Friends are Legends” Cliff Helm, “Recapturing Lost Sounds” Mark Slobin, “Subcultures Meet the Superculture in High School, 1940s-60s” 2:00 – 3:15 Panel 4 Detroit Music Journalism Past, Present, Future Moderated by Walter Wasacz Panelists will include: W. Kim Heron, Keith Owens, Veronica Grandison, and Susan Whitall 3:30 – 4:45 Panel 5 Brendan Gillen, “Chicago Underground: The True Story of House Music” Marlon Bailey, “Black Queer Ballroom” Bernardo Attias, “Sounds of the City in Distress: Sonic Appropriation and Cultural Hybridity in Detroit Techno” Denise Dalphond, “Detroit Players: Wax, Trax, and Soul in Electronic Music.” Panel 6 Khary Turner, “What is Hip Hop Journalism?” Carleton Gholz, “The Rise and Fall of the Detroit Radio Mix Show” Alex Blue V, “Illuminating Detroit’s Place in the Hip-Hop Narrative” Matthew Chicoine, “The Detroit Way: Creative Exchange in Music Production, 1950-2000” 5 – 5:45 Edgar Arceneaux, “A Time to Break Silence, MLK, UR 2001 A Space Odyssey” 5:45 – 6 pm Lauren Murtagh, “The Dan Sicko Papers” In addition, on Saturday, May 24th, DSC Founder Carleton Gholz will be helping guide a tour of Detroit beyond Hart Plaza for music lovers in town for Movement Electronic Music Festival. Limited tickets are now available here. Please send inquiries to detroitsoundconservancyATgmail.com or leave questions at 313-444-8242 Please tweet to #detsound Updated 9 May 2014 -- Denise Dalphond, PhD Ethnomusicologist www.schoolcraftwax.com http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. -
Detroit Music Conference on Friday!!
Detroit Sound Conservancy Conference will be happening at the downtown branch of the Detroit Public Library this Friday from 10-6. Here is the link: http://detroitsoundconservancy.org/conference/ Here is the facebook event: https://www.facebook.com/events/589866551096972/ Here is a description: Please join the Detroit Sound Conservancy for their first conference on Detroit music entitled “Conserving Sounds, Telling Stories.” The conference will feature local, national, and international journalists, scholars, archivists, and sound activists presenting papers on the history and culture of Detroit music. Topics will include the history and practice of Detroit music journalism, historical designation efforts related to Detroit music history, Wikiing about Detroit music, Detroit’s historic ballrooms, the history of Detroit radio mix shows, and the compelling need to attend to Detroit’s diverse musical legacies. Presenters will also discuss music genres such as jazz, rhythm blues, Latin, house, techno, rock, punk, and more. The conference will take place in the Music, Arts, and Literature Department and the E. Azalia Hackley Reading Room at the Main Branch of the Detroit Public Library. The deadline for presentation/workshop proposals was Friday, February 28, 2014. Single presentations will be 15-20 minutes long and panels will be 60-75 minutes plus QA. Sponsorship opportunities are still available. Schedule Times and speakers subject to change. All Day Special Black History 101 Mobile Museum display on Detroit music Detroit Music Book Display by Cully Sommers of the Music, Arts, and Literature Department 10:15 – 10:30: Introductions Welcome by Carleton S. Gholz Opening Remarks by Denise Dalphond 10:30 – 11:45: Panel 1 Michelle McKinney, “Planning for a Detroit Sound Legacy” Rebecca Binno Savage, “A United Sound Systems Designation Update” Madelynn Shackelford Washington, “The Detroit Techno Ontology: A Tool for Describing the Digital Diaspora” Edward Vielmetti, “Wiking for Detroit Sound: Problems and Possibilities” 12:00 – 1:15 Panel 2 Veronica Grandison Richard Marcil, “The Graystone Ballroom Legacy” Leo Early, “Space is the place: From the Village to the Michigan Palace” Consuela Lopez and Osvaldo “Ozzie” Rivera, “The Impact of Latin Artists and Music in Detroit” Panel 3 Mike Rubin, “Life After Death: Towards An Understanding of Detroit’s Punk Diaspora” John Williams, “All My Friends are Legends” Cliff Helm, “Recapturing Lost Sounds” Mark Slobin, “Subcultures Meet the Superculture in High School, 1940s-60s” 2:00 – 3:15 Panel 4 Detroit Music Journalism Past, Present, Future Moderated by Walter Wasacz Panelists will include: W. Kim Heron, Keith Owens, Veronica Grandison, and Susan Whitall 3:30 – 4:45 Panel 5 Brendan Gillen, “Chicago Underground: The True Story of House Music” Marlon Bailey, “Black Queer Ballroom” Bernardo Attias, “Sounds of the City in Distress: Sonic Appropriation and Cultural Hybridity in Detroit Techno” Denise Dalphond, “Detroit Players: Wax, Trax, and Soul in Electronic Music.” Panel 6 Khary Turner, “What is Hip Hop Journalism?” Carleton Gholz, “The Rise and Fall of the Detroit Radio Mix Show” Alex Blue V, “Illuminating Detroit’s Place in the Hip-Hop Narrative” Matthew Chicoine, “The Detroit Way: Creative Exchange in Music Production, 1950-2000” 5 – 5:45 Edgar Arceneaux, “A Time to Break Silence, MLK, UR 2001 A Space Odyssey” 5:45 – 6 pm Lauren Murtagh, “The Dan Sicko Papers” In addition, on Saturday, May 24th, DSC Founder Carleton Gholz will be helping guide a tour of Detroit beyond Hart Plaza for music lovers in town for Movement Electronic Music Festival. Limited tickets are now available here. Please send inquiries to detroitsoundconservancyATgmail.com or leave questions at 313-444-8242 Please tweet to #detsound Updated 9 May 2014 -- Denise Dalphond, PhD Ethnomusicologist www.schoolcraftwax.com
Re: Detroit Music Conference on Friday!!
Will this be recorded and available for steaming? On Tuesday, May 20, 2014, Denise Dalphond denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: Detroit Sound Conservancy Conference will be happening at the downtown branch of the Detroit Public Library this Friday from 10-6. Here is the link: http://detroitsoundconservancy.org/conference/ Here is the facebook event: https://www.facebook.com/events/589866551096972/ Here is a description: Please join the Detroit Sound Conservancy for their first conference on Detroit music entitled “Conserving Sounds, Telling Stories.” The conference will feature local, national, and international journalists, scholars, archivists, and sound activists presenting papers on the history and culture of Detroit music. Topics will include the history and practice of Detroit music journalism, historical designation efforts related to Detroit music history, Wikiing about Detroit music, Detroit’s historic ballrooms, the history of Detroit radio mix shows, and the compelling need to attend to Detroit’s diverse musical legacies. Presenters will also discuss music genres such as jazz, rhythm blues, Latin, house, techno, rock, punk, and more. The conference will take place in the Music, Arts, and Literature Department and the E. Azalia Hackley Reading Room at the Main Branch of the Detroit Public Library. The deadline for presentation/workshop proposals was Friday, February 28, 2014. Single presentations will be 15-20 minutes long and panels will be 60-75 minutes plus QA. Sponsorship opportunities are still available. Schedule Times and speakers subject to change. All Day Special Black History 101 Mobile Museum display on Detroit music Detroit Music Book Display by Cully Sommers of the Music, Arts, and Literature Department 10:15 – 10:30: Introductions Welcome by Carleton S. Gholz Opening Remarks by Denise Dalphond 10:30 – 11:45: Panel 1 Michelle McKinney, “Planning for a Detroit Sound Legacy” Rebecca Binno Savage, “A United Sound Systems Designation Update” Madelynn Shackelford Washington, “The Detroit Techno Ontology: A Tool for Describing the Digital Diaspora” Edward Vielmetti, “Wiking for Detroit Sound: Problems and Possibilities” 12:00 – 1:15 Panel 2 Veronica Grandison Richard Marcil, “The Graystone Ballroom Legacy” Leo Early, “Space is the place: From the Village to the Michigan Palace” Consuela Lopez and Osvaldo “Ozzie” Rivera, “The Impact of Latin Artists and Music in Detroit” Panel 3 Mike Rubin, “Life After Death: Towards An Understanding of Detroit’s Punk Diaspora” John Williams, “All My Friends are Legends” Cliff Helm, “Recapturing Lost Sounds” Mark Slobin, “Subcultures Meet the Superculture in High School, 1940s-60s” 2:00 – 3:15 Panel 4 Detroit Music Journalism Past, Present, Future Moderated by Walter Wasacz Panelists will include: W. Kim Heron, Keith Owens, Veronica Grandison, and Susan Whitall 3:30 – 4:45 Panel 5 Brendan Gillen, “Chicago Underground: The True Story of House Music” Marlon Bailey, “Black Queer Ballroom” Bernardo Attias, “Sounds of the City in Distress: Sonic Appropriation and Cultural Hybridity in Detroit Techno” Denise Dalphond, “Detroit Players: Wax, Trax, and Soul in Electronic Music.” Panel 6 Khary Turner, “What is Hip Hop Journalism?” Carleton Gholz, “The Rise and Fall of the Detroit Radio Mix Show” Alex Blue V, “Illuminating Detroit’s Place in the Hip-Hop Narrative” Matthew Chicoine, “The Detroit Way: Creative Exchange in Music Production, 1950-2000” 5 – 5:45 Edgar Arceneaux, “A Time to Break Silence, MLK, UR 2001 A Space Odyssey” 5:45 – 6 pm Lauren Murtagh, “The Dan Sicko Papers” In addition, on Saturday, May 24th, DSC Founder Carleton Gholz will be helping guide a tour of Detroit beyond Hart Plaza for music lovers in town for Movement Electronic Music Festival. Limited tickets are now available here. Please send inquiries to detroitsoundconservancyATgmail.com or leave questions at 313-444-8242 Please tweet to #detsound Updated 9 May 2014 -- Denise Dalphond, PhD Ethnomusicologist www.schoolcraftwax.com
Re: Detroit Music Conference on Friday!!
yes. I'll keep the list posted. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:21 PM, Mike Taylor disconihil...@gmail.comwrote: Will this be recorded and available for steaming? On Tuesday, May 20, 2014, Denise Dalphond denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: Detroit Sound Conservancy Conference will be happening at the downtown branch of the Detroit Public Library this Friday from 10-6. Here is the link: http://detroitsoundconservancy.org/conference/ Here is the facebook event: https://www.facebook.com/events/589866551096972/ Here is a description: Please join the Detroit Sound Conservancy for their first conference on Detroit music entitled “Conserving Sounds, Telling Stories.” The conference will feature local, national, and international journalists, scholars, archivists, and sound activists presenting papers on the history and culture of Detroit music. Topics will include the history and practice of Detroit music journalism, historical designation efforts related to Detroit music history, Wikiing about Detroit music, Detroit’s historic ballrooms, the history of Detroit radio mix shows, and the compelling need to attend to Detroit’s diverse musical legacies. Presenters will also discuss music genres such as jazz, rhythm blues, Latin, house, techno, rock, punk, and more. The conference will take place in the Music, Arts, and Literature Department and the E. Azalia Hackley Reading Room at the Main Branch of the Detroit Public Library. The deadline for presentation/workshop proposals was Friday, February 28, 2014. Single presentations will be 15-20 minutes long and panels will be 60-75 minutes plus QA. Sponsorship opportunities are still available. Schedule Times and speakers subject to change. All Day Special Black History 101 Mobile Museum display on Detroit music Detroit Music Book Display by Cully Sommers of the Music, Arts, and Literature Department 10:15 – 10:30: Introductions Welcome by Carleton S. Gholz Opening Remarks by Denise Dalphond 10:30 – 11:45: Panel 1 Michelle McKinney, “Planning for a Detroit Sound Legacy” Rebecca Binno Savage, “A United Sound Systems Designation Update” Madelynn Shackelford Washington, “The Detroit Techno Ontology: A Tool for Describing the Digital Diaspora” Edward Vielmetti, “Wiking for Detroit Sound: Problems and Possibilities” 12:00 – 1:15 Panel 2 Veronica Grandison Richard Marcil, “The Graystone Ballroom Legacy” Leo Early, “Space is the place: From the Village to the Michigan Palace” Consuela Lopez and Osvaldo “Ozzie” Rivera, “The Impact of Latin Artists and Music in Detroit” Panel 3 Mike Rubin, “Life After Death: Towards An Understanding of Detroit’s Punk Diaspora” John Williams, “All My Friends are Legends” Cliff Helm, “Recapturing Lost Sounds” Mark Slobin, “Subcultures Meet the Superculture in High School, 1940s-60s” 2:00 – 3:15 Panel 4 Detroit Music Journalism Past, Present, Future Moderated by Walter Wasacz Panelists will include: W. Kim Heron, Keith Owens, Veronica Grandison, and Susan Whitall 3:30 – 4:45 Panel 5 Brendan Gillen, “Chicago Underground: The True Story of House Music” Marlon Bailey, “Black Queer Ballroom” Bernardo Attias, “Sounds of the City in Distress: Sonic Appropriation and Cultural Hybridity in Detroit Techno” Denise Dalphond, “Detroit Players: Wax, Trax, and Soul in Electronic Music.” Panel 6 Khary Turner, “What is Hip Hop Journalism?” Carleton Gholz, “The Rise and Fall of the Detroit Radio Mix Show” Alex Blue V, “Illuminating Detroit’s Place in the Hip-Hop Narrative” Matthew Chicoine, “The Detroit Way: Creative Exchange in Music Production, 1950-2000” 5 – 5:45 Edgar Arceneaux, “A Time to Break Silence, MLK, UR 2001 A Space Odyssey” 5:45 – 6 pm Lauren Murtagh, “The Dan Sicko Papers” In addition, on Saturday, May 24th, DSC Founder Carleton Gholz will be helping guide a tour of Detroit beyond Hart Plaza for music lovers in town for Movement Electronic Music Festival. Limited tickets are now available here. Please send inquiries to detroitsoundconservancyATgmail.com or leave questions at 313-444-8242 Please tweet to #detsound Updated 9 May 2014 -- Denise Dalphond, PhD Ethnomusicologist www.schoolcraftwax.com -- Denise Dalphond, PhD Ethnomusicologist www.schoolcraftwax.com
Re: Detroit Music Conference on Friday!!
Thank-you Denise for putting this together. Looking forward to it. Jodie Svagr 313-915-1164 uandidesigndetr...@gmail.com Events, Promotions, Development On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Denise Dalphond denisedalph...@gmail.comwrote: yes. I'll keep the list posted. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:21 PM, Mike Taylor disconihil...@gmail.comwrote: Will this be recorded and available for steaming? On Tuesday, May 20, 2014, Denise Dalphond denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: Detroit Sound Conservancy Conference will be happening at the downtown branch of the Detroit Public Library this Friday from 10-6. Here is the link: http://detroitsoundconservancy.org/conference/ Here is the facebook event: https://www.facebook.com/events/589866551096972/ Here is a description: Please join the Detroit Sound Conservancy for their first conference on Detroit music entitled Conserving Sounds, Telling Stories. The conference will feature local, national, and international journalists, scholars, archivists, and sound activists presenting papers on the history and culture of Detroit music. Topics will include the history and practice of Detroit music journalism, historical designation efforts related to Detroit music history, Wikiing about Detroit music, Detroit's historic ballrooms, the history of Detroit radio mix shows, and the compelling need to attend to Detroit's diverse musical legacies. Presenters will also discuss music genres such as jazz, rhythm blues, Latin, house, techno, rock, punk, and more. The conference will take place in the Music, Arts, and Literature Department and the E. Azalia Hackley Reading Room at the Main Branch of the Detroit Public Library. The deadline for presentation/workshop proposals was Friday, February 28, 2014. Single presentations will be 15-20 minutes long and panels will be 60-75 minutes plus QA. Sponsorship opportunities are still available. Schedule Times and speakers subject to change. All Day Special Black History 101 Mobile Museum display on Detroit music Detroit Music Book Display by Cully Sommers of the Music, Arts, and Literature Department 10:15 - 10:30: Introductions Welcome by Carleton S. Gholz Opening Remarks by Denise Dalphond 10:30 - 11:45: Panel 1 Michelle McKinney, Planning for a Detroit Sound Legacy Rebecca Binno Savage, A United Sound Systems Designation Update Madelynn Shackelford Washington, The Detroit Techno Ontology: A Tool for Describing the Digital Diaspora Edward Vielmetti, Wiking for Detroit Sound: Problems and Possibilities 12:00 - 1:15 Panel 2 Veronica Grandison Richard Marcil, The Graystone Ballroom Legacy Leo Early, Space is the place: From the Village to the Michigan Palace Consuela Lopez and Osvaldo Ozzie Rivera, The Impact of Latin Artists and Music in Detroit Panel 3 Mike Rubin, Life After Death: Towards An Understanding of Detroit's Punk Diaspora John Williams, All My Friends are Legends Cliff Helm, Recapturing Lost Sounds Mark Slobin, Subcultures Meet the Superculture in High School, 1940s-60s 2:00 - 3:15 Panel 4 Detroit Music Journalism Past, Present, Future Moderated by Walter Wasacz Panelists will include: W. Kim Heron, Keith Owens, Veronica Grandison, and Susan Whitall 3:30 - 4:45 Panel 5 Brendan Gillen, Chicago Underground: The True Story of House Music Marlon Bailey, Black Queer Ballroom Bernardo Attias, Sounds of the City in Distress: Sonic Appropriation and Cultural Hybridity in Detroit Techno Denise Dalphond, Detroit Players: Wax, Trax, and Soul in Electronic Music. Panel 6 Khary Turner, What is Hip Hop Journalism? Carleton Gholz, The Rise and Fall of the Detroit Radio Mix Show Alex Blue V, Illuminating Detroit's Place in the Hip-Hop Narrative Matthew Chicoine, The Detroit Way: Creative Exchange in Music Production, 1950-2000 5 - 5:45 Edgar Arceneaux, A Time to Break Silence, MLK, UR 2001 A Space Odyssey 5:45 - 6 pm Lauren Murtagh, The Dan Sicko Papers In addition, on Saturday, May 24th, DSC Founder Carleton Gholz will be helping guide a tour of Detroit beyond Hart Plaza for music lovers in town for Movement Electronic Music Festival. Limited tickets are now available here. Please send inquiries to detroitsoundconservancyATgmail.com or leave questions at 313-444-8242 Please tweet to #detsound Updated 9 May 2014 -- Denise Dalphond, PhD Ethnomusicologist www.schoolcraftwax.com -- Denise Dalphond, PhD Ethnomusicologist www.schoolcraftwax.com
Re: (313) detroit music
Brian Aneurysm - Das Element Des Menschen (Spectral Sound): Mixes well with J.T.C material Bernard is a real cool cat, too. He has some good stuff on IronBox, as well. His videos are always interesting - a bit of Richard D James in them. - Original Message From: jason k jasonk1...@gmail.com To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 9:46:57 PM Subject: Re: (313) detroit music On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 6:36 PM, j k jasonk1...@gmail.com wrote: anybody buy any good records lately? I been on a tear lately, buying all kinds of records over the past 5 weeks, some new some old. here goes; complete with a pitch on why I picked them up/ Im covering a lot of ground ... forgive the typos and whatnot :) This is just the stuff directly connected to michigan James T Cotton* - On Time - Spectral :One of the best releases on spectral. Some great stuff by cotton in typical broken style with a touch of drexciyan type electro on one cut Osborne / TNT (13) - Outta Sight -Spectral: The TNT track l8 is a gem. Cant remember what it sounds like now, but i remember really liking it. 2 AM/FM - Pt. 2 - Spectral : the track acid planes is a mind melt. of folded over vocals and intricate feedback Kavinsky - Teddy Boy - Record Makers: The heinrich mueller steals the show, when doesnt it? Like a ride through a haunted house. Kyle Hall - Kaychunk - hyperdub: You already know about this one, if not grab a copy today, unique shifting over excellent harmony. Kyle Hall- Perfekt sin- wildoats : I like it, its jazzy. but to be honest it wasnt what i was expecting. Dont know how Im gonna find room in a set for it. PARRISH, TheoUgly Edits Vol 2 unknown label US 12 UGEDT 02 - Had a legit copy before but sold it a while back when i was hurting for dough. not much has changed i guess, but i found a copy on juno. not sure its a bootleg or not, but whatever. I always thought that in a way the bootlegging helped theo get exposure. but i digress, its the love i lost and found again Hundred In The Hands, The - Dressed In Dresden - Warp Records: The kyle hall remix of course! Theo Parrish - Space Station / Going Through Changes (Sound Signature): IMO best sound signature in ages. Theo really stepped up on this one. bouncy drums andgreat sounding synth work. spacey, almost like an AXIS record, but low key production theos known for Various - Spectral Sound Vol. 1 (Spectral Sound) got it for the heiroglyphic being cut. Intruiging vocals and abstract music all smashed up together. Hieroglyphic Being - Dope Jams 3 Year Anniversary (Dope Jams) Only a hundred pressed supposedly. I like the track with what sounds like a bell on a clock tower. the first i heard from jamal moss was on the spectral lable, so i kind of count him for this list. Brian Aneurysm - Das Element Des Menschen (Spectral Sound): Mixes well with J.T.C material Various - Disco Nouveau: Addendum (Ghostly International) : Charles Manier's tracks are just brutal! this one is no exception. Various - State Of The Union EP (Spectral Sound) The JTC mix caught my ear, but i cant remember how it went. :) ViLLan X / 2AM/FM* - HeartBeat Crazy / Don't Front!!! (Nation) : Best vocoder line ever You dont have to front b*tch, Im sick of this sh*t Its like he summed up my life experience in dealing with women. just kidding, dont get all mad. Eddie Flashin Fowlkes* - One Dance / Stella (Global Cuts) a little late on this one, but finally found a copy in good shape. Various - The Deepest Shade Of Techno (Volume 1) (Reflective (2): I can skip about every song on this except eddie fowlkes check one wow. what a deep and moody cut. There is a clip of the song on youtube, you must hear this... Kyle Hall - The Water Is Fine EP (Moods Grooves) (12, EP) The EP is fine too, as mentioned by others. Space Dimension Controller - Journey To The Core Of The Unknown Sphere (Royal Oak) Kyle hall on the remix turning an average track into gold. Shadow People - Secret Society EP (Southern Outpost) Im trying to finish off collecting southern outpost material. Is patrick still on the list? if he is, man i apologize for sleeping on your label. its greaat stuff. best of luck on future endeavors whatever they may be. Martian 044 - Prayer Stick (Red Planet) Dream dancing. Martian, The - Meet The Red Planet (Red Planet) better 18 years late than never owning this record. Martian, The - Firekeeper / Vortexual Conceptions (Red Planet) Had it, sold it a long time ago, wanted it back for firekeeper. Martian, The - Particle Shower / The Voice Of Grandmother (Red Planet) same as above, but for particle shower Carl Craig - A Wonderful Life / As Time Goes By (Planet E) A wonderful life sounds nice, downtempo. Didnt think much of it a while back when i first heard it, but really it might go in a slower electro mix...well see... R-Tyme - Use Me (Trance Fusion) (12, RE) great old school detroit music Urban Culture - The Wonders Of Wishing (Eclipse Records) Remeber
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On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 6:36 PM, j k jasonk1...@gmail.com wrote: anybody buy any good records lately? I been on a tear lately, buying all kinds of records over the past 5 weeks, some new some old. here goes; complete with a pitch on why I picked them up/ Im covering a lot of ground ... forgive the typos and whatnot :) This is just the stuff directly connected to michigan James T Cotton* - On Time - Spectral :One of the best releases on spectral. Some great stuff by cotton in typical broken style with a touch of drexciyan type electro on one cut Osborne / TNT (13) - Outta Sight -Spectral: The TNT track l8 is a gem. Cant remember what it sounds like now, but i remember really liking it. 2 AM/FM - Pt. 2 - Spectral : the track acid planes is a mind melt. of folded over vocals and intricate feedback Kavinsky - Teddy Boy - Record Makers: The heinrich mueller steals the show, when doesnt it? Like a ride through a haunted house. Kyle Hall - Kaychunk - hyperdub: You already know about this one, if not grab a copy today, unique shifting over excellent harmony. Kyle Hall- Perfekt sin- wildoats : I like it, its jazzy. but to be honest it wasnt what i was expecting. Dont know how Im gonna find room in a set for it. PARRISH, Theo Ugly Edits Vol 2 unknown label US 12 UGEDT 02 - Had a legit copy before but sold it a while back when i was hurting for dough. not much has changed i guess, but i found a copy on juno. not sure its a bootleg or not, but whatever. I always thought that in a way the bootlegging helped theo get exposure. but i digress, its the love i lost and found again Hundred In The Hands, The - Dressed In Dresden - Warp Records: The kyle hall remix of course! Theo Parrish - Space Station / Going Through Changes (Sound Signature): IMO best sound signature in ages. Theo really stepped up on this one. bouncy drums andgreat sounding synth work. spacey, almost like an AXIS record, but low key production theos known for Various - Spectral Sound Vol. 1 (Spectral Sound) got it for the heiroglyphic being cut. Intruiging vocals and abstract music all smashed up together. Hieroglyphic Being - Dope Jams 3 Year Anniversary (Dope Jams) Only a hundred pressed supposedly. I like the track with what sounds like a bell on a clock tower. the first i heard from jamal moss was on the spectral lable, so i kind of count him for this list. Brian Aneurysm - Das Element Des Menschen (Spectral Sound): Mixes well with J.T.C material Various - Disco Nouveau: Addendum (Ghostly International) : Charles Manier's tracks are just brutal! this one is no exception. Various - State Of The Union EP (Spectral Sound) The JTC mix caught my ear, but i cant remember how it went. :) ViLLan X / 2AM/FM* - HeartBeat Crazy / Don't Front!!! (Nation) : Best vocoder line ever You dont have to front b*tch, Im sick of this sh*t Its like he summed up my life experience in dealing with women. just kidding, dont get all mad. Eddie Flashin Fowlkes* - One Dance / Stella (Global Cuts) a little late on this one, but finally found a copy in good shape. Various - The Deepest Shade Of Techno (Volume 1) (Reflective (2): I can skip about every song on this except eddie fowlkes check one wow. what a deep and moody cut. There is a clip of the song on youtube, you must hear this... Kyle Hall - The Water Is Fine EP (Moods Grooves) (12, EP) The EP is fine too, as mentioned by others. Space Dimension Controller - Journey To The Core Of The Unknown Sphere (Royal Oak) Kyle hall on the remix turning an average track into gold. Shadow People - Secret Society EP (Southern Outpost) Im trying to finish off collecting southern outpost material. Is patrick still on the list? if he is, man i apologize for sleeping on your label. its greaat stuff. best of luck on future endeavors whatever they may be. Martian 044 - Prayer Stick (Red Planet) Dream dancing. Martian, The - Meet The Red Planet (Red Planet) better 18 years late than never owning this record. Martian, The - Firekeeper / Vortexual Conceptions (Red Planet) Had it, sold it a long time ago, wanted it back for firekeeper. Martian, The - Particle Shower / The Voice Of Grandmother (Red Planet) same as above, but for particle shower Carl Craig - A Wonderful Life / As Time Goes By (Planet E) A wonderful life sounds nice, downtempo. Didnt think much of it a while back when i first heard it, but really it might go in a slower electro mix...well see... R-Tyme - Use Me (Trance Fusion) (12, RE) great old school detroit music Urban Culture - The Wonders Of Wishing (Eclipse Records) Remeber when i asked the list what the track was and answered it before anyone else? haha well i wanted it so i grabbed it. Matthew Dear - EP1 (Spectral Sound) (12, EP) I bought it mostly for the album artwork, but wouldnt have bought it without good music on the record as well. Laugua something and hammers are some of dear's best work imo. Octave One - Foundation EP (430 West) from back when Octave one
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A lot of what I've been buying lately is older house, disco, and boogie. It seems like a lot of Chicago DJs are selling large parts of their vinyl collections. As far as new things go, I've been picking up all of the recent Rush Hour Trax reissues (even though I have a lot of the originals). Not necessarliy list-related, but I've been collecting the Dug Out reggae reissues as well. Recent Chicago/Detroit purchases: Kai Alce: Dirty South Dirt (FXHE) Big Strick: 100% Hustler Remixes (FXHE) Echospace: Liumin (Modern Love) Hieroglyphic Being: Compositeurs sans Frontières (Music From Mathematics) Robert Hood: Omega (M-Plant) -- can't believe there hasn't been more discussion of this IAMTHATIAM: The Invisible Children EP (Fit) Kevin Starke: 151 (Kstarke) Moody: Ol' Dirty Vinyl (KDJ) Omar-S: Mid 90's (FXHE) The Sun God/Daryl Cura: The 3rd Wave (Eargasmic) Urban Tribe: Loyal Opposition (Planet E) Gunnar Wendel: 578 (FXHE) VA: The Soft House Experience (Mathematics) Recent miscellaneous: Autechre: Move of Ten (Warp) Jenifa Mayanja: Music 4 Adults (Bu-Mako Recordings) Juju Jordash: Tattoo's Island (Philpot) -- coming soon June: June 01 (June) Moritz von Oswald Trio: Live in New York (Honest Jon's) Wolfgang Voigt: Freiland Klaviermusik (Profan) Cheers, Jacob -- exploring deep electronic music http://www.gridface.com/
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Rick Wilhite's Vibes series is great, really feeling the Glen Underground track on Vol 1 and Rick's Analog Love is sick! On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks new email address andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com wrote: New Octave One EP out end of July (2 earlier tracks revisited) is sweet; full OO album out in October. On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Robin Pinning robin.pinn...@me.com wrote: Good call on the Kyle Hall bits below. He has a new one on his own label Wild Oats out now too. Also I forgot to mention the new Marcellus Pittman stuff that's around too. robin... On 9 Jul 2010, at 14:00, mislav bobic wrote: On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:36 AM, j k wrote: anybody buy any good records lately? got those recently: Miles Sagnia - The Causal Structure EP jamie read - the future ep kyle hall - must see ep space dimension controller - journey to the core of unknown terrence dixon - room 310 workshop 10 -- http://soundcloud.com/andrewdukecognitionaudio http://myspace.com/andrewduke
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last few releases by OO weren't that good IMHO, but since i'm a big fan of their early stuff (i've left little fortune on discogs trying to obtain copies of their music) i'm putting my hopes on this one. On Fri, 9 Jul 2010, Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks new email address wrote: New Octave One EP out end of July (2 earlier tracks revisited) is sweet; full OO album out in October. On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Robin Pinning robin.pinn...@me.com wrote: Good call on the Kyle Hall bits below. He has a new one on his own label Wild Oats out now too. Also I forgot to mention the new Marcellus Pittman stuff that's around too. robin... On 9 Jul 2010, at 14:00, mislav bobic wrote: On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:36 AM, j k wrote: anybody buy any good records lately? got those recently: Miles Sagnia - The Causal Structure EP jamie read - the future ep kyle hall - must see ep space dimension controller - journey to the core of unknown terrence dixon - room 310 workshop 10 --
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New record is 'revisited' mixes of Dema and Meridian. Dema is from The X Files EP from 1994, and Meridian from Detroit Techno City from 1995. I didn't pull out the originals (they were both on The Collective the retrospective OO comp from 1998) so I was comparing them with Youtube rips. They sound like they tinkered with the mixes and remastered them, maybe to try and fit in with more current sounds, or maybe just to take advantage of better gear and more mixing experience. They sound a little cleaner and clearer, without adding or removing anything from the originals. If you make a fetish of grit you might be disappointed with the new mixes, but I thought they sounded really good. If you don't have them on the original vinyl, they're very much worth picking up. And even if you do, it will be a 2 track EP, so it will probably get a nice fat cutting job from Prairie Cat, with deeper grooves than the original records, which packed more tracks to a side. On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Ivan Tomasevic to...@tesla.rcub.bg.ac.rs wrote: last few releases by OO weren't that good IMHO, but since i'm a big fan of their early stuff (i've left little fortune on discogs trying to obtain copies of their music) i'm putting my hopes on this one. On Fri, 9 Jul 2010, Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks new email address wrote: New Octave One EP out end of July (2 earlier tracks revisited) is sweet; full OO album out in October. On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Robin Pinning robin.pinn...@me.com wrote: Good call on the Kyle Hall bits below. He has a new one on his own label Wild Oats out now too. Also I forgot to mention the new Marcellus Pittman stuff that's around too. robin... On 9 Jul 2010, at 14:00, mislav bobic wrote: On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:36 AM, j k wrote: anybody buy any good records lately? got those recently: Miles Sagnia - The Causal Structure EP jamie read - the future ep kyle hall - must see ep space dimension controller - journey to the core of unknown terrence dixon - room 310 workshop 10 --
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Nope, but I do plan to at some point in the not too distant future. Fortunately I'm not feelin' the new, impossible to get hold of Theo Parrish ones that much. not that id pay 85 euro for a brand new 3x12 tho. p On 9 Jul 2010, at 00:36, j k wrote: anybody buy any good records lately?
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If there aren't any out now there soon will be ;-) (apologies for the shameless plug) Remixes in the works from Rick Wade, Mike Huckaby, XDB and John Tejada with more to follow. www.soundcloud.com/joe-babyon Joe On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Placid pla...@acid-house.net wrote: Nope, but I do plan to at some point in the not too distant future. Fortunately I'm not feelin' the new, impossible to get hold of Theo Parrish ones that much. not that id pay 85 euro for a brand new 3x12 tho. p On 9 Jul 2010, at 00:36, j k wrote: anybody buy any good records lately?
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New Third Ear record, The Defenders Of The Deep House World (Check out that cover art!) A1) Mike Huckaby - The Deep House World A2) Rick Wade - Bleach B1) Rick Wilhite - Playcism (Mike Huckaby Reconstruction) B2) Norm Talley - Change (Mike Huckaby 2010 Remix) http://www.third-ear.net/flashplayer/defenders/vol1/ Also, Rick Wilhite was in town tonight and played Razz09 off this record, Absolutely SICK MARCELLUS PITTMAN - LONELINESS LEAVE ME ALONE / RAZZ09 http://clone.nl/item18039.html ~David On 9 Jul 2010, at 00:36, j k wrote: anybody buy any good records lately?
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That looks good Joe. Will listen later. There's quite a bit around at the moment. I've not picked anything up for a while. Urban Tribe on Mahogani (and also as the 4th part of Rick Wilhite's Rush Hour compilation), a few things old and new from Chez Damier as The Gathering and stuff on Balance Alliance. MCDE mixes of Prescence on Juno. A couple of Rick Wade mixes and a 12 on Shanti, Randolph remix 12s inc UR mix, DJ3000 broken research 2 on Motech, New FXHE (omar s mixes of Kassem Mosse), DJ Bone on Sect, Patrice Scott on the remix for Fred P, New Tevo Howard remix on Rebirth, Juju and Jordash mix of Cloud on Exceptional, New DJ Skull! Enough about? :) robin... On 9 Jul 2010, at 08:04, Joe Marougi wrote: If there aren't any out now there soon will be ;-) (apologies for the shameless plug) Remixes in the works from Rick Wade, Mike Huckaby, XDB and John Tejada with more to follow. www.soundcloud.com/joe-babyon Joe On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Placid pla...@acid-house.net wrote: Nope, but I do plan to at some point in the not too distant future. Fortunately I'm not feelin' the new, impossible to get hold of Theo Parrish ones that much. not that id pay 85 euro for a brand new 3x12 tho. p On 9 Jul 2010, at 00:36, j k wrote: anybody buy any good records lately?
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Apparently so Wibo. I was surprised too: http://www.rushhour.nl/store_detailed.php?item=55664 robin... On 9 Jul 2010, at 09:28, Wibo Lammerts wrote: DJ Skull? He still around?
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On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Joe Marougi jmaro...@gmail.com wrote: If there aren't any out now there soon will be ;-) (apologies for the shameless plug) Remixes in the works from Rick Wade, Mike Huckaby, XDB and John Tejada with more to follow. www.soundcloud.com/joe-babyon ***Looks like Joe's been hit by a mild bout of spelling one's name incorrectly disease; it is actually: http://www.soundcloud.com/joe-babylon :) -- http://soundcloud.com/andrewdukecognitionaudio http://myspace.com/andrewduke
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On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:36 AM, j k wrote: anybody buy any good records lately? got those recently: Miles Sagnia - The Causal Structure EP jamie read - the future ep kyle hall - must see ep space dimension controller - journey to the core of unknown terrence dixon - room 310 workshop 10
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Good call on the Kyle Hall bits below. He has a new one on his own label Wild Oats out now too. Also I forgot to mention the new Marcellus Pittman stuff that's around too. robin... On 9 Jul 2010, at 14:00, mislav bobic wrote: On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:36 AM, j k wrote: anybody buy any good records lately? got those recently: Miles Sagnia - The Causal Structure EP jamie read - the future ep kyle hall - must see ep space dimension controller - journey to the core of unknown terrence dixon - room 310 workshop 10
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New Octave One EP out end of July (2 earlier tracks revisited) is sweet; full OO album out in October. On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Robin Pinning robin.pinn...@me.com wrote: Good call on the Kyle Hall bits below. He has a new one on his own label Wild Oats out now too. Also I forgot to mention the new Marcellus Pittman stuff that's around too. robin... On 9 Jul 2010, at 14:00, mislav bobic wrote: On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:36 AM, j k wrote: anybody buy any good records lately? got those recently: Miles Sagnia - The Causal Structure EP jamie read - the future ep kyle hall - must see ep space dimension controller - journey to the core of unknown terrence dixon - room 310 workshop 10 -- http://soundcloud.com/andrewdukecognitionaudio http://myspace.com/andrewduke
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anybody buy any good records lately?
(313) Detroit Music Video/Documentary
Hi, Dope documentary and tracks (watch for C2 in the vid) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97IpJ9OTMQQ
(313) BBC4 Detroit Music Night
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(313) neat zine showcasing some Detroit music
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i found the luciano record (i assume you mean the single) for $0 at ameoba in LA. it could be your store- not the label. On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, jason kenjar wrote: heya list, i listened to a few new tunes this weekend in a record shop (be it via. funked up turntable and broken headphones) Here is what I thought: Larry heard - loosefingers ep: Brilliant. Im really on a budget right now, but this record was head and shoulders above everything else. It is larry heards musical side. One track beats really slow, around 110 bpm. Its lovely though, very deep house. I like his style because its simple musical talent sans any gimicks, very jammy feel to it without feeling too raw. Thats important to me, i am a big fan of theo parrish, bu it is nice to have a very polished sounding house jam that can match Theos bpms without coping theo's raw jacking style. The other track on the first side is considerably faster, probably around 125 bpm or something. And the flip is somewhere between them, I cant remember what it sounds like right now, but i love all three tracks. oh and one more thing. I dont know about the rest of the vinyl buyers and spinners in the US, but Im sick of seeing records commonly go for $11.50 and $12. Luciano's single release on Peacefrog is being sold locally for $14 Thank you Mr. Heard, for releasing quality house music in the USA for the price of $7. i tip my hat to you, and please continue! other stuff: Ron Trent: ital foods space is the place: hmm. I liked it but there are a few reasons i didnt pick it up. There is a vocal in there that says something like space... I didnt like it because it seemed to have too many effects on it. the whole production seemed kind of over the top with everything but the kitchen sink thrown into it. its kind of nice, but its going for 12 dollars, and the record is two nearly identical versions of the same track, pass. Dimitri from Paris: In the house limited sampler: I listened most closely to the Lil Louis mix on the record. I think it was a rmx of the O'jays. It sounded nice, and I liked how the brass section blended in nicely with the vocals. I was tempted to pick it up, but i don't think it was his best work. however, i want to give it another listen. This time with a fully operational listening system and without annoying billy jean bass line cover being pumped through the stores sound system. yuck! new Spectral Sound label releases: First up is the matthew dear anger management album: good and innovative, but I like all his other releases on spectral sound a little bit better (especially his album and ep#1) He does have a knack for experimentation, especially in one of his tracks with what seems to be a gentle distortion building into a loud chaotic crashing WRRR!! Then a return to the abstract beats. Check it out for sure, i liked it, but i cant spend too many beans right now, and I can probably find it later on if i want to. The other Spectral Sound is hieroglyphic being-machines for lovers : nothing special as far as i reckon, chuging beats kind of like getting caught in a meat grinder. i prefer a little more attention to music than hard noise when buying techno. not to hate or anything, but there isn't much i find that attracts me to this record. these reviews are my opinions only, i always encourage everyone to listen for themselves. later 313ers all the world over (from ocean to ocean -juan atkins) -jason
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i meant $10- i didn't steal it On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i found the luciano record (i assume you mean the single) for $0 at ameoba in LA. it could be your store- not the label. On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, jason kenjar wrote: heya list, i listened to a few new tunes this weekend in a record shop (be it via. funked up turntable and broken headphones) Here is what I thought: Larry heard - loosefingers ep: Brilliant. Im really on a budget right now, but this record was head and shoulders above everything else. It is larry heards musical side. One track beats really slow, around 110 bpm. Its lovely though, very deep house. I like his style because its simple musical talent sans any gimicks, very jammy feel to it without feeling too raw. Thats important to me, i am a big fan of theo parrish, bu it is nice to have a very polished sounding house jam that can match Theos bpms without coping theo's raw jacking style. The other track on the first side is considerably faster, probably around 125 bpm or something. And the flip is somewhere between them, I cant remember what it sounds like right now, but i love all three tracks. oh and one more thing. I dont know about the rest of the vinyl buyers and spinners in the US, but Im sick of seeing records commonly go for $11.50 and $12. Luciano's single release on Peacefrog is being sold locally for $14 Thank you Mr. Heard, for releasing quality house music in the USA for the price of $7. i tip my hat to you, and please continue! other stuff: Ron Trent: ital foods space is the place: hmm. I liked it but there are a few reasons i didnt pick it up. There is a vocal in there that says something like space... I didnt like it because it seemed to have too many effects on it. the whole production seemed kind of over the top with everything but the kitchen sink thrown into it. its kind of nice, but its going for 12 dollars, and the record is two nearly identical versions of the same track, pass. Dimitri from Paris: In the house limited sampler: I listened most closely to the Lil Louis mix on the record. I think it was a rmx of the O'jays. It sounded nice, and I liked how the brass section blended in nicely with the vocals. I was tempted to pick it up, but i don't think it was his best work. however, i want to give it another listen. This time with a fully operational listening system and without annoying billy jean bass line cover being pumped through the stores sound system. yuck! new Spectral Sound label releases: First up is the matthew dear anger management album: good and innovative, but I like all his other releases on spectral sound a little bit better (especially his album and ep#1) He does have a knack for experimentation, especially in one of his tracks with what seems to be a gentle distortion building into a loud chaotic crashing WRRR!! Then a return to the abstract beats. Check it out for sure, i liked it, but i cant spend too many beans right now, and I can probably find it later on if i want to. The other Spectral Sound is hieroglyphic being-machines for lovers : nothing special as far as i reckon, chuging beats kind of like getting caught in a meat grinder. i prefer a little more attention to music than hard noise when buying techno. not to hate or anything, but there isn't much i find that attracts me to this record. these reviews are my opinions only, i always encourage everyone to listen for themselves. later 313ers all the world over (from ocean to ocean -juan atkins) -jason
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oh and one more thing. I dont know about the rest of the vinyl buyers and spinners in the US, but Im sick of seeing records commonly go for $11.50 and $12. Luciano's single release on Peacefrog is being sold locally for $14 Thank you Mr. Heard, for releasing quality house music in the USA for the price of $7. i tip my hat to you, and please continue! Jason. Thanks for the reviews, it's much appreciated. Just on the above, and I think someone else touched on it, I think you guys are getting a little stiffed at the minute due to the price of the dollar. Just to defend peacefrog, their releases are obviously domestic 12's for us and usually retail around £5.99, which at the current exchange rate is $11 USD. So it seems that the extra $3 isn't too bad, I guess shipping costs need to be covered. Just to put it in perspective, the Larry Heard record here cost me £7.99 - a standard price for a US import - which I beieve works out to about $14.70, round about the same price for the luciano on peacefrog. err, and thats it alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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heya list, i listened to a few new tunes this weekend in a record shop (be it via. funked up turntable and broken headphones) Here is what I thought: Larry heard - loosefingers ep: Brilliant. Im really on a budget right now, but this record was head and shoulders above everything else. It is larry heards musical side. One track beats really slow, around 110 bpm. Its lovely though, very deep house. I like his style because its simple musical talent sans any gimicks, very jammy feel to it without feeling too raw. Thats important to me, i am a big fan of theo parrish, bu it is nice to have a very polished sounding house jam that can match Theos bpms without coping theo's raw jacking style. The other track on the first side is considerably faster, probably around 125 bpm or something. And the flip is somewhere between them, I cant remember what it sounds like right now, but i love all three tracks. oh and one more thing. I dont know about the rest of the vinyl buyers and spinners in the US, but Im sick of seeing records commonly go for $11.50 and $12. Luciano's single release on Peacefrog is being sold locally for $14 Thank you Mr. Heard, for releasing quality house music in the USA for the price of $7. i tip my hat to you, and please continue! other stuff: Ron Trent: ital foods space is the place: hmm. I liked it but there are a few reasons i didnt pick it up. There is a vocal in there that says something like space... I didnt like it because it seemed to have too many effects on it. the whole production seemed kind of over the top with everything but the kitchen sink thrown into it. its kind of nice, but its going for 12 dollars, and the record is two nearly identical versions of the same track, pass. Dimitri from Paris: In the house limited sampler: I listened most closely to the Lil Louis mix on the record. I think it was a rmx of the O'jays. It sounded nice, and I liked how the brass section blended in nicely with the vocals. I was tempted to pick it up, but i don't think it was his best work. however, i want to give it another listen. This time with a fully operational listening system and without annoying billy jean bass line cover being pumped through the stores sound system. yuck! new Spectral Sound label releases: First up is the matthew dear anger management album: good and innovative, but I like all his other releases on spectral sound a little bit better (especially his album and ep#1) He does have a knack for experimentation, especially in one of his tracks with what seems to be a gentle distortion building into a loud chaotic crashing WRRR!! Then a return to the abstract beats. Check it out for sure, i liked it, but i cant spend too many beans right now, and I can probably find it later on if i want to. The other Spectral Sound is hieroglyphic being-machines for lovers : nothing special as far as i reckon, chuging beats kind of like getting caught in a meat grinder. i prefer a little more attention to music than hard noise when buying techno. not to hate or anything, but there isn't much i find that attracts me to this record. these reviews are my opinions only, i always encourage everyone to listen for themselves. later 313ers all the world over (from ocean to ocean -juan atkins) -jason
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oh and one more thing. I dont know about the rest of the vinyl buyers and spinners in the US, but Im sick of seeing records commonly go for $11.50 and $12. Luciano's single release on Peacefrog is being sold locally for $14 Thank you Mr. Heard, for releasing quality house music in the USA for the price of $7. i tip my hat to you, and please continue! Anyone is welcomed to step up and correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the skyrocketing vinyl prices have a lot to it being imported and the weak dollar - especially next to the euro right now. Customs is really persnickety on big boxes of it entering in the US, too. jeff
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Although it's a CD , Paul Mac's Push Came to Shove (on Primate) is really sweet - not sure how old it is, though. jeff
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At 03:10 PM 3/8/2004, theREALmxyzptlk wrote: Anyone is welcomed to step up and correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the skyrocketing vinyl prices have a lot to it being imported and the weak dollar - especially next to the euro right now. Customs is really persnickety on big boxes of it entering in the US, too. Probably. I was going to buy 2 or 3 albums from simplyvinyl.com but I reconsidered after converting the price to USD. 90 bucks after shipping! -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; http://www.mkb-dj.org Matthew Kane : Software Engineer : Zebra Atlantek, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I wasn't blaming the record labels (not most of them anyway) for the rising price of imported records, Im just complaining about the price tag thats stuck to the record, regardless of how it got there. Anyway, the most important part of my email was the reviews. I dont intend to start a big political thing, though i suppose its inevitable when talking about money. i just wanted to review some records. -jason On Monday, March 8, 2004, at 02:10 PM, theREALmxyzptlk wrote: oh and one more thing. I dont know about the rest of the vinyl buyers and spinners in the US, but Im sick of seeing records commonly go for $11.50 and $12. Luciano's single release on Peacefrog is being sold locally for $14 Thank you Mr. Heard, for releasing quality house music in the USA for the price of $7. i tip my hat to you, and please continue! Anyone is welcomed to step up and correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the skyrocketing vinyl prices have a lot to it being imported and the weak dollar - especially next to the euro right now. Customs is really persnickety on big boxes of it entering in the US, too. jeff
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At 03:20 PM 3/8/2004, you wrote: I wasn't blaming the record labels (not most of them anyway) for the rising price of imported records, Im just complaining about the price tag thats stuck to the record, regardless of how it got there. Sure - I wasn't criticizing your observations (I agree!), just helping to clarify. And thanks for the reviews. jeff
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I picked up Matthew Dears anger mgt this weekend, he definitely experimented with this it was a good buy to add to the collection. I listened to it in the middle of spinning other tracks, so I will take time this week to sit down and really evaluate the track. That Exhibitionist sampler 12 inch is definitely a buy.. I playing around mixing that with a acapella track from the Defecto label. TS-1 -Original Message- From: jason kenjar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 3:06 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) detroit music reviews heya list, i listened to a few new tunes this weekend in a record shop (be it via. funked up turntable and broken headphones) Here is what I thought: Larry heard - loosefingers ep: Brilliant. Im really on a budget right now, but this record was head and shoulders above everything else. It is larry heards musical side. One track beats really slow, around 110 bpm. Its lovely though, very deep house. I like his style because its simple musical talent sans any gimicks, very jammy feel to it without feeling too raw. Thats important to me, i am a big fan of theo parrish, bu it is nice to have a very polished sounding house jam that can match Theos bpms without coping theo's raw jacking style. The other track on the first side is considerably faster, probably around 125 bpm or something. And the flip is somewhere between them, I cant remember what it sounds like right now, but i love all three tracks. oh and one more thing. I dont know about the rest of the vinyl buyers and spinners in the US, but Im sick of seeing records commonly go for $11.50 and $12. Luciano's single release on Peacefrog is being sold locally for $14 Thank you Mr. Heard, for releasing quality house music in the USA for the price of $7. i tip my hat to you, and please continue! other stuff: Ron Trent: ital foods space is the place: hmm. I liked it but there are a few reasons i didnt pick it up. There is a vocal in there that says something like space... I didnt like it because it seemed to have too many effects on it. the whole production seemed kind of over the top with everything but the kitchen sink thrown into it. its kind of nice, but its going for 12 dollars, and the record is two nearly identical versions of the same track, pass. Dimitri from Paris: In the house limited sampler: I listened most closely to the Lil Louis mix on the record. I think it was a rmx of the O'jays. It sounded nice, and I liked how the brass section blended in nicely with the vocals. I was tempted to pick it up, but i don't think it was his best work. however, i want to give it another listen. This time with a fully operational listening system and without annoying billy jean bass line cover being pumped through the stores sound system. yuck! new Spectral Sound label releases: First up is the matthew dear anger management album: good and innovative, but I like all his other releases on spectral sound a little bit better (especially his album and ep#1) He does have a knack for experimentation, especially in one of his tracks with what seems to be a gentle distortion building into a loud chaotic crashing WRRR!! Then a return to the abstract beats. Check it out for sure, i liked it, but i cant spend too many beans right now, and I can probably find it later on if i want to. The other Spectral Sound is hieroglyphic being-machines for lovers : nothing special as far as i reckon, chuging beats kind of like getting caught in a meat grinder. i prefer a little more attention to music than hard noise when buying techno. not to hate or anything, but there isn't much i find that attracts me to this record. these reviews are my opinions only, i always encourage everyone to listen for themselves. later 313ers all the world over (from ocean to ocean -juan atkins) -jason The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it.
RE: (313) Global 4/11 Detroit Music Awards Afterparty + Ron Carro ll
I see another recipient is an artist called Jam Rag - I've never heard of this person before but does Jam Rag mean the same thing in the US as it does in the UK? It seems rather an unfortunate choice of moniker if it does. -Original Message- From: Barbara Deyo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 6:17 PM To: 313 List Subject: (313) Global 4/11 Detroit Music Awards Afterparty + Ron Carroll for your pleasure...deep and funky house, each and every week! GLOBAL FRIDAYS The ultimate late night voyage... www.globaldetroit.com April 11 Detroit Music Awards After-party!! Come help Kevin celebrate being honored the recipient of this year's Distinguished Achievement Award. For more details about the awards go to www.detroitmusicawards.com D Wynn Kevin Saunderson Mark Flash Ron Carroll (Chicago) - special guest Thanks to all who came out last week...from Allen Gamble to D Wynn to Stacey Pullen, it was a great night of music, especially with Stacey rockin it till 6am!! See you all this Friday...this week is one for sure not to miss! The Works Detroit 1846 Michigan Ave. @ Rosa Parks 313 961 1742 $5 before 11/$10 after 18+ welcome 10p-5a *drink specials till midnight...dollar shots of whatever Craig feels like mixing up! coming up: Apr 18 FeelGOOD FRIDAY w/ Charles Feelgood (Buzz, DC) our favorite hometown boy: Carl Craig Apr 25 URB Issue Release party www.urb.com w/ special guests tba Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(313) detroit music awards
mornin' I was just looking on the technotourist site and I noticed something about the detroit music awards. Of the 4 LP's up for 'outstanding LP award', I only know one, and I also don't even know the artists who are up for the award. Can anyone tell me a little more about them, might I like them? They were; 'Techno Hippies' 'Quaker Cage' 'Twilight Babies' Thanks.. _ - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, print or rely on this e-mail. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England with registered number OC303525. The registered office of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH. All partners in PricewaterhouseCoopers UK Associates A are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com
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I don't think these awards are confined to electronic music, so many of the acts are, I suspect, rock bands -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:04 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) detroit music awards mornin' I was just looking on the technotourist site and I noticed something about the detroit music awards. Of the 4 LP's up for 'outstanding LP award', I only know one, and I also don't even know the artists who are up for the award. Can anyone tell me a little more about them, might I like them? They were; 'Techno Hippies' 'Quaker Cage' 'Twilight Babies' Thanks.. _ - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, print or rely on this e-mail. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England with registered number OC303525. The registered office of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH. All partners in PricewaterhouseCoopers UK Associates A are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I was just looking on the technotourist site and I noticed something about the detroit music awards. Of the 4 LP's up for 'outstanding LP award', I only know one, and I also don't even know the artists who are up for the award. Personally i thought it was typical they listed Drexciya, they have been releasing albums a lot the last couple of years but they got their attention after James Stinton died, so i wonder why they are up there now, is it truelly for the music or just because they have been in the media a lot lately? Can anyone tell me a little more about them, might I like them? They were; 'Techno Hippies' 'Quaker Cage' 'Twilight Babies' -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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The category they are listed is electronic/dance the rock/punk/funk/soul/rb etc. are other names. Techno Hippies... my god that sounds like a old dutch happy hardcore act :))) kj I don't think these awards are confined to electronic music, so many of the acts are, I suspect, rock bands -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:04 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) detroit music awards mornin' I was just looking on the technotourist site and I noticed something about the detroit music awards. Of the 4 LP's up for 'outstanding LP award', I only know one, and I also don't even know the artists who are up for the award. Can anyone tell me a little more about them, might I like them? They were; 'Techno Hippies' 'Quaker Cage' 'Twilight Babies' Thanks.. _ - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, print or rely on this e-mail. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England with registered number OC303525. The registered office of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH. All partners in PricewaterhouseCoopers UK Associates A are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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Did they not do some tune : I want to be a hippy and I want to get high! ;) -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 11:48 AM To: 'Robert Taylor' Cc: '313@hyperreal.org' Subject: RE: (313) detroit music awards The category they are listed is electronic/dance the rock/punk/funk/soul/rb etc. are other names. Techno Hippies... my god that sounds like a old dutch happy hardcore act :))) kj I don't think these awards are confined to electronic music, so many of the acts are, I suspect, rock bands -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:04 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) detroit music awards mornin' I was just looking on the technotourist site and I noticed something about the detroit music awards. Of the 4 LP's up for 'outstanding LP award', I only know one, and I also don't even know the artists who are up for the award. Can anyone tell me a little more about them, might I like them? They were; 'Techno Hippies' 'Quaker Cage' 'Twilight Babies' Thanks.. _ - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, print or rely on this e-mail. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England with registered number OC303525. The registered office of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH. All partners in PricewaterhouseCoopers UK Associates A are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
(313) DE Jukebox - New Promotion for Detroit Music
Have a CD and looking for good exposure? Here's a unique opportunity to promote your music! The next and future CD issue of Detroit Entertainment will premier a new feature...The DE Jukebox! Instead of hearing the usual background tracks while browsing the system, the Jukebox will now allow the reader to select tracks from various Detroit artists. For each track, a more info button bring up a popup window that will include: - A full color promo photo - A brief one paragraph bio - Full contact info - A link to any available website Your promo will not only be on the CD (now available at various area retailers), but also the DE website. Afterwards, your promo will be placed on the upcoming Detroit Exposed website for future exposure. The cost? Only $50 Acceptable format: MP3 and digital imagery on disk, media CD or via email (Audio CDs are accepted, but a conversion charge will apply) Have a music video? We can include it too at no extra cost! Acceptable format: MPG/AVI/QT on disk, CD or email (DVD and VHS accepted, but a conversion charge will apply) Have questions? Feel free to contact us! Anthony Palacio Detroit Entertainment [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.detroitentertainment.tv --- Subscribe to our free newsletter for notices on upcoming Detroit area video tapings, exclusive ticket contests, CD magazine previews, release party invites and more! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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| -Original Message- | From: Fred Heutte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 18 November 2002 19:33 | | Anyway, nowadays we get more spam than real email, and Jon Drukman is | still making great music, now with his live electro-pop version of | Bass Kittens. That's good to hear that he's still around and is still making music! My experience was pretty similar; after having discovered the hyperreal mailing lists in 1993 and suddenly finding this fast-growing global electronic music movement. In fact, right the way up until 1996, the internet for me was almost exclusively a means for communicating with other like-minded people about electronic music. Usenet, mailing lists and IRC were pretty much it, as my computer was way too under-specced to actually look at web sites in those days! But I'd never realised how many Americans were actually on uk-dance, and now I come to think of it I was actually on sf-raves for a while myself... Brendan
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on 11/17/02 4:09 PM, Forrest L Norvell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: point #2, IDM was not NAMED after the hyperreal mailing list. I joined [EMAIL PROTECTED] in September of 1993, soon after its formation. The preceding summer, Warp had released the first round of (artificial intelligence) records. Brian Behlendorf, the owner of Hyperreal and the founder of idm, had needed a name for the new list, and since the Warp series was called (artificial intelligence) and it was at least partially the model for the kind of music he wanted to discuss, I think he decided Intelligent Dance Music was as good a name as any. To my knowledge that was the first usage of the term IDM anywhere. Less than a year later, Warp brought out the compilation Artificial Intelligence 2, and Designers Republic incorporated postings from the idm list into their sleeve art. To me, the conclusion's pretty inescapably obvious. I stand corrected. I didn't realize the IDM list was around before the Artificial Intelligence compilations. Do people really take mailing list seriously? I think your a little disillusioned if you think a small community of fans have such a big impact on the scene. The hard core of musicians and fans that push the techno bean along with their noses is very small. San Francisco has a pretty big reputation in the international (intelligent) techno scene because of people like Kit Clayton and Sutekh, and even though I'm no big cheese in the scene, I know both of those guys and say hi when I see them at shows. Sutekh, at least, I originally knew through the sf-raves mailing list, and I met Kit at MAD, which was for many years the only club night that focused on techno as such in San Francisco. Folks like Morgan Geist and Darshan Jesrani used to be active participants on this list, to say nothing of the ongoing involvement of Alan Oldham (although the list appears to have pissed him off one time too many, more's the pity), Sean Deason, and Todd Sines (among others). I'm pretty sure Fabrice Lig was a poster here before he started releasing music. The same goes for idm, where folks like CiM were posting to the list long before they started releasing music. It's an open-ended question (as per above) as to how influential these lists are, but in the small and relatively closed universe of techno, online forums have a large and growing presence. yrz, Forrest I guess you have a point but that only represents a small percentage of the growing techno scene. I can name a long list of artist that are highly successful like Dave Clarke, DJ Rush, or Robert Hood (Detroit techno man of the year) who do not promote or participate on mailing list.
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I'm going to disagree with Cyclone a bit. While the 313 list has a place in the history of Detroit techno, our discussions have long been far more diverse than the intimations of single-mindedness indicate. I've been sort of amused by how one accusation of elitism got spun into this meandering ping pong battle over the meaning of 313 or something. The reason 313 has thrived for so long, against numerous clueless incoming squadrons, is that we have a lot of people here with differing opinions and no hesitation to express them, very deep experience, and a distaste for exactly the kind of navel-gazing of which we are now being accused. Now can we get past obvious trollbait like: I think your a little disillusioned if you think a small community of fans have such a big impact on the scene. It's not about our disillusionment, Stephen, as if all 313ers could be said to have any single common view. It's about your presuppositions of the history and interconnection between this list and Detroit techno. You're welcome to your opinions on that; the more the merrier. But I would say that the archives are readily available, and a little bit of time skimming through them over the years might prove to be instructive. phred
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Actually, just to reiterate, I did not post these words so they are not my arguments at all. Someone cut and paste it so it looked like 'Cyclone wrote'... People should take care when they cut and paste or whatever so things are not ripped out of context or wrongly attributed to others. I'm going to disagree with Cyclone a bit. While the 313 list has a place in the history of Detroit techno, our discussions have long been far more diverse than the intimations of single-mindedness indicate. I've been sort of amused by how one accusation of elitism got spun into this meandering ping pong battle over the meaning of 313 or something. The reason 313 has thrived for so long, against numerous clueless incoming squadrons, is that we have a lot of people here with differing opinions and no hesitation to express them, very deep experience, and a distaste for exactly the kind of navel-gazing of which we are now being accused. Now can we get past obvious trollbait like: I think your a little disillusioned if you think a small community of fans have such a big impact on the scene. It's not about our disillusionment, Stephen, as if all 313ers could be said to have any single common view. It's about your presuppositions of the history and interconnection between this list and Detroit techno. You're welcome to your opinions on that; the more the merrier. But I would say that the archives are readily available, and a little bit of time skimming through them over the years might prove to be instructive. phred
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Fred I'm not here to troll, it comes down to a difference in opinion. I'm here because I have an interest in 313 music, I've been buying Detroit techno since 1989. in response to your last paragraph a searchable database for the 313 list archives would be very helpful. on 11/17/02 10:26 PM, Fred Heutte at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to disagree with Cyclone a bit. While the 313 list has a place in the history of Detroit techno, our discussions have long been far more diverse than the intimations of single-mindedness indicate. I've been sort of amused by how one accusation of elitism got spun into this meandering ping pong battle over the meaning of 313 or something. The reason 313 has thrived for so long, against numerous clueless incoming squadrons, is that we have a lot of people here with differing opinions and no hesitation to express them, very deep experience, and a distaste for exactly the kind of navel-gazing of which we are now being accused. Now can we get past obvious trollbait like: I think your a little disillusioned if you think a small community of fans have such a big impact on the scene. It's not about our disillusionment, Stephen, as if all 313ers could be said to have any single common view. It's about your presuppositions of the history and interconnection between this list and Detroit techno. You're welcome to your opinions on that; the more the merrier. But I would say that the archives are readily available, and a little bit of time skimming through them over the years might prove to be instructive. phred
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My apologies, that was very careless of me. I was responding to Mr. Corn Warning Kent Williams on 11/17/02 10:27 PM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, just to reiterate, I did not post these words so they are not my arguments at all. Someone cut and paste it so it looked like 'Cyclone wrote'... People should take care when they cut and paste or whatever so things are not ripped out of context or wrongly attributed to others.
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You're telling me! - a searchable archive would be fantastic. There's a catch 22 for new people (one of which is me), in that it's fairly tricky to say the least that people like myself would like to make a post about something, but as we all know could be responded to with the see the archives reply. My mouse can only take so much scrolling before the wheel melts. :) Dscaper. Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk -Original Message- From: techno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 November 2002 06:55 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history snip in response to your last paragraph a searchable database for the 313 list archives would be very helpful.
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I probably should have been more specific, Cyclone -- I was referring to your apparently favorable comment -- some interesting points -- but it's really the comments you quoted from the other email I was disagreeing with. I'm a pretty strong defender of 313 because it has kept going for years and years while all the other lists I joined way back when ended up sinking into a foul pit of flames and idiocy. It was almost exactly ten years ago this month that the legendary go away Moby thread was starting up on ne-raves; a couple years later, ne-raves lost its really unique camaraderie and became a toxic swamp of screeching about how hardcore was by far the best form of music ever made, or something. dc-raves, socal-raves, nw-raves, mw-raves, even my beloved sfraves -- all were sunk by the tragedy of write-only loudmouths. Some managed to recover and continue in reasonable fashion, but the people I knew from those lists long since disappeared, like leaving a favorite corner pub because the bar fights went from occasional distraction to ongoing nuisance. Among the public *ave lists I joined way back when, the honorable survivors are 313 and uk-dance. As for doing a searchable index of the 313 archives, Hyperreal is a volunteer-run system and would welcome someone coming along to hook up a bit of this and a bit of that and do it. As we always say, it's an SMOP -- simple matter of programming. phred
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I probably should have been more specific, Cyclone -- I was referring to your apparently favorable comment -- some interesting points -- but it's really the comments you quoted from the other email I was disagreeing with. Nah, for me some interesting points usually means that I hadn't thought of it that way, and don't necessarily agree but it's something I'll think about. It's not favourable or unfavourable. ;) I actually think mailing lists are very influential. Mailing lists and web sites actually mean that many more people have an outlet to express views and post 'reviews'. Almost anyone can be a 'critic' or anyone can be a 'reviewer' and it gives people networks. I have thought that there is an elitism in some techno ranks (not necessarily 313) but I find that out on the streets and in the clubs as much as here and among a select group at that. Actually there are times when this list constitutes my social life - long hours on the computer, ya know - so I am a big defender.
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Less than a year later, Warp brought out the compilation Artificial Intelligence 2, and Designers Republic incorporated postings from the idm list into their sleeve art. Sorry to be pedantic, but those postings were actually from the UK-Dance list, I believe... But I'm certainly not questioning the original point which was that 'IDM' became an established name for a genre as a result of the original Hyperreal IDM list... Cheers, Tom
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On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 10:12:28AM +, tom churchill wrote: Less than a year later, Warp brought out the compilation Artificial Intelligence 2, and Designers Republic incorporated postings from the idm list into their sleeve art. Sorry to be pedantic, but those postings were actually from the UK-Dance list, I believe... It's quite possible you're right, although I was on UK-Dance at about that time and I don't remember Jon Drukman being a part of the list. Then again, my assertion was based on an interminable discussion thread (has there ever been any other kind?) on idm itself when AI 2 came out. It's also possible we're both right -- given the way that the messages and headers have been blenderized, they could almost have been from anywhere. Man, Greg Eden. I haven't thought of him in years. But enough counter-pedantry. I agree with Fred. 313's stayed relevant and interesting when a lot of other techno-related mailing lists have fallen to pieces. If you do ever have the time to kill reading the archives, you'll probably find it eye-opening, as I did, to see how 313 has changed over the years, in large part to mirror the changes in Detroit and perceptions of what techno is and means. About the only constants have been a fondness for Derrick May and Maurizio and squabbles over the greatness of Jeff Mills and Richie Hawtin. F -- . . . the self-reflecting image of a narcotized mind . . . ozymandias G desiderata [EMAIL PROTECTED] desperate, deathless (415)823-6356 http://www.pushby.com/forrest/ ::AOAIOXXYSZ::
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| -Original Message- | From: Forrest L Norvell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 18 November 2002 10:35 | | Sorry to be pedantic, but those postings were actually from the | UK-Dance list, I believe... | | It's quite possible you're right, although I was on UK-Dance at about | that time and I don't remember Jon Drukman being a part of the list. I was on both idm and UK-Dance, and am fairly sure that Warp used IDM posts because, as you mention, I definitely remember Jon Drukman being quoted on the AI 2 sleeve, and, as a San Franciscan, I doubt he'd have much reason to be subbed to uk-dance! I am definitely in agreement with those who are saying that 313 has stood the test of time, so to speak, than many of the other music lists that came into existence in the early 1990s. My relationship with 313 became basically monogamous by 1995, as the IDM list stagnated and the ambient list started to fade away, and even though I've been on and off of this list over the years, no other music lists really hold my interest all that much... Brendan
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Fred I'm not here to troll, it comes down to a difference in opinion. I'm here because I have an interest in 313 music, I've been buying Detroit techno since 1989. And why do you think we are on this list? [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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I was on both idm and UK-Dance, and am fairly sure that Warp used IDM posts... I wasn't on either list at the time (I joined both in 1995 I think), so I was going on the text here... http://www.uk-dance.org/help/history.html ...which says: Warp's Artificial Intelligence album pretentious noodling or good music? Either way, the discussion got ripped off by Warp for the cover of their AI2 compilation. Cheers, Tom
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As for doing a searchable index of the 313 archives, Hyperreal is a volunteer-run system and would welcome someone coming along to hook up a bit of this and a bit of that and do it. As we always say, it's an SMOP -- simple matter of programming. If anyone has an idea as to how to do this without having all the messages from the last 8 years exist as standard Web pages that can be tracked by search engines, let me know. Used to be that browsers could open up the GZIPs and read them right in the browser window, right? -d
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Ouch... that one's gotta hurt. ;) Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. (P.S. Puchaser of both Detroit and global techno... first rule of music is never to close your ears because of boundaries.) -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 November 2002 11:01 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history Fred I'm not here to troll, it comes down to a difference in opinion. I'm here because I have an interest in 313 music, I've been buying Detroit techno since 1989. And why do you think we are on this list? [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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If you (I say figuratively) parse each message in a db (MySQL will suffice), then it's a case of working out the relationships between threads (reply to's, timestamps, etc). It's possible that's for sure. If anyone out there has got a breakdown of mail protocol, and standards used by the mail manager, then I can help throw some code together. Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: Dan Sicko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 November 2002 15:39 To: Fred Heutte Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history As for doing a searchable index of the 313 archives, Hyperreal is a volunteer-run system and would welcome someone coming along to hook up a bit of this and a bit of that and do it. As we always say, it's an SMOP -- simple matter of programming. If anyone has an idea as to how to do this without having all the messages from the last 8 years exist as standard Web pages that can be tracked by search engines, let me know. Used to be that browsers could open up the GZIPs and read them right in the browser window, right? -d
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It's quite possible that Jon Drukman was subbed to uk-dance a decade ago -- I was, and a lot of us west coasters joined ne-raves and dc-raves and so on for the same reason, there were a few hundred of us online worldwide and it was exciting to hook up to a truly global and co-evolving music and technology scene. It was a different world -- most of the online action was on the now- forgotten world of BBSes, AOL had less than half a million subscribers, and you could read all postings in a dozen Usenet newsgroups every day and not fall behind. It was kind of nice, actually, even at 2400 bps. Anyway, nowadays we get more spam than real email, and Jon Drukman is still making great music, now with his live electro-pop version of Bass Kittens. Fred
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Well, it's like this: to some extent, the 313 list INVENTED the sort of over-reverent, concerned-with-absolute-purity, hardcore trainspotter version of Detroit Techno. A few journalists got on the list and started spreading the meme to the hoi polloi. People start seeing their opinions reflected back at them from magazines and think they got the world on lock. I mean there's a whole GENRE of music -- IDM -- that is NAMED after a mailing list. And, I might add, the mailing list is 95% of the worldwide market for the music. Does that make mailing lists influential, or just just a closed feedback loop? Some interesting points. And lest we forget, the whole futuristic utopian idea of techno was invented by Derrick May and Juan Atkins egging on British journalists some time after they started making the music. Sure, that was the idea, but they never said it was exclusive. I know Derrick listens to a bit of everything. The whole problem with journalists is they're writers, and they're always confusing an attractive narrative for reality. Now that is a generalisation!!! :)
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on 11/17/02 8:44 AM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's like this: to some extent, the 313 list INVENTED the sort of over-reverent, concerned-with-absolute-purity, hardcore trainspotter version of Detroit Techno. A few journalists got on the list and started spreading the meme to the hoi polloi. People start seeing their opinions reflected back at them from magazines and think they got the world on lock. I mean there's a whole GENRE of music -- IDM -- that is NAMED after a mailing list. And, I might add, the mailing list is 95% of the worldwide market for the music. Some interesting points. Please elaborate on point #1. Who are these so called journalists and magazines? point #2, IDM was not NAMED after the hyperreal mailing list. Does that make mailing lists influential, or just just a closed feedback loop? Do people really take mailing list seriously? I think your a little disillusioned if you think a small community of fans have such a big impact on the scene. And lest we forget, the whole futuristic utopian idea of techno was invented by Derrick May and Juan Atkins egging on British journalists some time after they started making the music. That could be said about the genere term techno but the ideology was nothing new to Juan Atkins and Derrick May. The whole problem with journalists is they're writers, and they're always confusing an attractive narrative for reality. Now that is a generalisation!!! :) It seems there is a lot of aspiring writers and journalists on the 313 list.
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On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 11:35:19AM -0600, techno wrote: I mean there's a whole GENRE of music -- IDM -- that is NAMED after a mailing list. And, I might add, the mailing list is 95% of the worldwide market for the music. point #2, IDM was not NAMED after the hyperreal mailing list. I joined [EMAIL PROTECTED] in September of 1993, soon after its formation. The preceding summer, Warp had released the first round of (artificial intelligence) records. Brian Behlendorf, the owner of Hyperreal and the founder of idm, had needed a name for the new list, and since the Warp series was called (artificial intelligence) and it was at least partially the model for the kind of music he wanted to discuss, I think he decided Intelligent Dance Music was as good a name as any. To my knowledge that was the first usage of the term IDM anywhere. Less than a year later, Warp brought out the compilation Artificial Intelligence 2, and Designers Republic incorporated postings from the idm list into their sleeve art. To me, the conclusion's pretty inescapably obvious. Does that make mailing lists influential, or just just a closed feedback loop? Do people really take mailing list seriously? I think your a little disillusioned if you think a small community of fans have such a big impact on the scene. The hard core of musicians and fans that push the techno bean along with their noses is very small. San Francisco has a pretty big reputation in the international (intelligent) techno scene because of people like Kit Clayton and Sutekh, and even though I'm no big cheese in the scene, I know both of those guys and say hi when I see them at shows. Sutekh, at least, I originally knew through the sf-raves mailing list, and I met Kit at MAD, which was for many years the only club night that focused on techno as such in San Francisco. Folks like Morgan Geist and Darshan Jesrani used to be active participants on this list, to say nothing of the ongoing involvement of Alan Oldham (although the list appears to have pissed him off one time too many, more's the pity), Sean Deason, and Todd Sines (among others). I'm pretty sure Fabrice Lig was a poster here before he started releasing music. The same goes for idm, where folks like CiM were posting to the list long before they started releasing music. It's an open-ended question (as per above) as to how influential these lists are, but in the small and relatively closed universe of techno, online forums have a large and growing presence. yrz, Forrest -- . . . the self-reflecting image of a narcotized mind . . . ozymandias G desiderata [EMAIL PROTECTED] desperate, deathless (415)823-6356 http://www.pushby.com/forrest/ ::AOAIOXXYSZ::
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True - it sometimes is an era that isn't easily discovered but it's not impossible - do the homework and you can learn about it. If it's handed to you on a platter then what's the point? well fist of all your putting infornation out there that's not easily accesable so it's more practlicle for people who have a genuin interest and curiosity about the music to learn about Detroit techno. Your also archiving an important part of history in a convieniant package for future refrence. So what do you want them to do then? everybody has a website nowadays how can information be more easier to get??? I think it's more rewarding to teach myself by reading books, listening to DJ sets, randomly listening to records in a store, digging through old magazines, etc. certain aspects of that can be rewarding but it's mostly a hastle and very time consuming. Go and buy Britney Spears if you want easy-to-get music [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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What I find hard to get is the musical elitism. I can understand if Detroit techno fans don't listen to DJ Sammy, but... The stereotypical fan likes electro, villifies electroclash, outright, hates pop, hates RB, hates anything in the charts, maybe likes some jazz... Personally I think this has alienated people from getting into this music. You know, it's OK to like a Britney song, ya know, and like Richie Hawtin. Also I do distinctly recall that Kraftwerk had a top 40 hit once with The Model. We all have our prejudices, but there seems to be some secret code about what is OK to like and what isn't. My favourite comment was from someone who said they loved Moodymann but hated the gospel influence in his music. Say what? You don't find this purism among the actual producers, though. Inbox Message From: techno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history Date: 12/11/2002 10:20:27 To: 313@hyperreal.org on 11/11/02 2:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that was my point about elitist objecting over this idea. For many people it's a job - and that is what it takes to stay on top. It's not elitist, it's survival in a crowded world. If information on old and obsolete techno records is putting people out of business maybe they should consider a career change. regarding the whole section above: I don't understand. On one hand you're talking about having information put out there so that it's easier to find out about and those with genuine interest/curiosity about the music will learn about it. But then when you say that teaching yourself by reading about it, listening to DJ sets, randomly listening to old records and digging through old magazines is a hastle and very time consuming. Who is the one with more genuine interest? The person who, without a one-stop shopping place for all things techno, goes out and finds out for themselves, dedicates time and money and goes through the hassle - or- the person who wants the quick and easy fix of finding everything in one place? I like the more practical approach of acquiring information. People would just have greater understanding of the artist and labels that have contributed to the Detroit techno genre. The information I have in my head and the records I have are more important to me *because* I've spent sh*t loads of my time digging it all up, searching it out, and going through the hassle of it all. Sounds like you want an easy answer. It's only information what you do with it is what's important. Besides we live in the 21st Century I like the concept of new technology making old methods obsolete.
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I like Ritchie Hawtin and Happy Hardcore at the same time, imagine that. Both are cheesy and stupid, yet genius, in their own ways. Music is music, and it all doesnt have to serve purpose, and thats *ok* :) 11/12/2002 7:00:04 AM, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I find hard to get is the musical elitism. I can understand if Detroit techno fans don't listen to DJ Sammy, but... The stereotypical fan likes electro, villifies electroclash, outright, hates pop, hates RB, hates anything in the charts, maybe likes some jazz... Personally I think this has alienated people from getting into this music. You know, it's OK to like a Britney song, ya know, and like Richie Hawtin. Also I do distinctly recall that Kraftwerk had a top 40 hit once with The Model. We all have our prejudices, but there seems to be some secret code about what is OK to like and what isn't. My favourite comment was from someone who said they loved Moodymann but hated the gospel influence in his music. Say what? You don't find this purism among the actual producers, though. Inbox Message From: techno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history Date: 12/11/2002 10:20:27 To: 313@hyperreal.org on 11/11/02 2:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that was my point about elitist objecting over this idea. For many people it's a job - and that is what it takes to stay on top. It's not elitist, it's survival in a crowded world. If information on old and obsolete techno records is putting people out of business maybe they should consider a career change. regarding the whole section above: I don't understand. On one hand you're talking about having information put out there so that it's easier to find out about and those with genuine interest/curiosity about the music will learn about it. But then when you say that teaching yourself by reading about it, listening to DJ sets, randomly listening to old records and digging through old magazines is a hastle and very time consuming. Who is the one with more genuine interest? The person who, without a one-stop shopping place for all things techno, goes out and finds out for themselves, dedicates time and money and goes through the hassle - or- the person who wants the quick and easy fix of finding everything in one place? I like the more practical approach of acquiring information. People would just have greater understanding of the artist and labels that have contributed to the Detroit techno genre. The information I have in my head and the records I have are more important to me *because* I've spent sh*t loads of my time digging it all up, searching it out, and going through the hassle of it all. Sounds like you want an easy answer. It's only information what you do with it is what's important. Besides we live in the 21st Century I like the concept of new technology making old methods obsolete. --- -Ian Entropy (bhpc, happy vibe rec, new sample revolution, n.e. hardcore, boston) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.djentropy.com Soulseek: djentropy AIM: DJEntropy WinMX: djentropy422
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11/12/2002 7:17:02 AM, DJ Entropy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like Ritchie Hawtin and Happy Hardcore at the same time, imagine that. Both are cheesy and stupid, yet genius, in their own ways. Music is music, and it all doesnt have to serve purpose, and thats *ok* Oops, I meant to say: Music is music, and it all doesnt have to serve the *SAME purpose*, and thats *ok* :) 11/12/2002 7:00:04 AM, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I find hard to get is the musical elitism. I can understand if Detroit techno fans don't listen to DJ Sammy, but... The stereotypical fan likes electro, villifies electroclash, outright, hates pop, hates RB, hates anything in the charts, maybe likes some jazz... Personally I think this has alienated people from getting into this music. You know, it's OK to like a Britney song, ya know, and like Richie Hawtin. Also I do distinctly recall that Kraftwerk had a top 40 hit once with The Model. We all have our prejudices, but there seems to be some secret code about what is OK to like and what isn't. My favourite comment was from someone who said they loved Moodymann but hated the gospel influence in his music. Say what? You don't find this purism among the actual producers, though. Inbox Message From: techno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history Date: 12/11/2002 10:20:27 To: 313@hyperreal.org on 11/11/02 2:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that was my point about elitist objecting over this idea. For many people it's a job - and that is what it takes to stay on top. It's not elitist, it's survival in a crowded world. If information on old and obsolete techno records is putting people out of business maybe they should consider a career change. regarding the whole section above: I don't understand. On one hand you're talking about having information put out there so that it's easier to find out about and those with genuine interest/curiosity about the music will learn about it. But then when you say that teaching yourself by reading about it, listening to DJ sets, randomly listening to old records and digging through old magazines is a hastle and very time consuming. Who is the one with more genuine interest? The person who, without a one-stop shopping place for all things techno, goes out and finds out for themselves, dedicates time and money and goes through the hassle - or- the person who wants the quick and easy fix of finding everything in one place? I like the more practical approach of acquiring information. People would just have greater understanding of the artist and labels that have contributed to the Detroit techno genre. The information I have in my head and the records I have are more important to me *because* I've spent sh*t loads of my time digging it all up, searching it out, and going through the hassle of it all. Sounds like you want an easy answer. It's only information what you do with it is what's important. Besides we live in the 21st Century I like the concept of new technology making old methods obsolete. --- -Ian Entropy (bhpc, happy vibe rec, new sample revolution, n.e. hardcore, boston) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.djentropy.com Soulseek: djentropy AIM: DJEntropy WinMX: djentropy422 --- -Ian Entropy (bhpc, happy vibe rec, new sample revolution, n.e. hardcore, boston) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.djentropy.com Soulseek: djentropy AIM: DJEntropy WinMX: djentropy422
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On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 07:00 AM, Cyclone Wehner wrote: What I find hard to get is the musical elitism. I think this comes across much more amplified than it really is, especially on a mailing list dedicated (on whatever sliding scale you think exists here) to Detroit techno. -d
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on 11/12/02 2:23 AM, Jongsma, K.J. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what do you want them to do then? everybody has a website nowadays how can information be more easier to get??? Good question, Yes you can get a great deal of information from the Internet and yes some labels like +8 do a great job cataloging all their releases but is this the case for all Detroit techno artist and labels? Some of the more obscure artist and labels? Is doing a search on the internet as convenient as having most of the information archived on DVD? I'm only throwing out a suggestion for a DVD archive because I think it would be a good idea and very beneficial for people wanting to learn more about Detroit techno. The person who was recently asking about the rings of saturn and who did not get his question answered is a prime example of a person who would benefit form this type of archive, thousands of questions like that could be answered on DVD. Go and buy Britney Spears if you want easy-to-get music well buying music is another matter, anyone with a credit card should have no problem buying latest underground music.
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And maybe someone can answer my original question? I'm looking for books that cover the history of Detroit music beyond (but not excluding) techno - maybe Dancing in the Streets? Any others? elitists need not answer ;) MEK Dan Sicko [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] .orgcc: techno [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history 11/09/02 01:57 PM Can we move this discussion to the 313-elite mailing list please? I believe the server forwards messages on a wireless network inside Lafayette Coney Island. -d On Saturday, November 9, 2002, at 01:21 PM, marc christensen wrote: dear techno -- It's nice to see you can couple a good, fresh insight to a troll. Because you're right -- the old-school elitism of the NW side GQ cliques was very palpable, and has been documented well in interview sources. Your reminder even makes the self-justifying marginalization of disagreement implicit in your original post much more bearable. But doesn't this also mean it would be more Detroit techno of us not only to disagree, but also to withhold more information? If so, I will continue to do so, and shut up now. -marc At 6:46 PM -0600 11/8/02, techno wrote: Of coure the elitist will disagree with me on this. At 8:38 PM -0500 11/8/02, Lee Herrington IV wrote: does the elitist post to this list? At 11:05 AM -0600 11/9/02, techno wrote: Yes and they do not always share information. Elitism has always been a part of Detroit techno and underground dance music culture a social and political aspect to the music.
Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
In my previous post the word elitist was referring to the collector types who are not very forthcoming about information on rare and limited releases. That's the way it has always been in the world of DJs and dance music - everyone wants that tune/record that nobody else has. I wouldn't expect this list to be any different. When it comes to techno there seems to be a gray area with records falling into obscurity especially from the very late 80's to early 90's. True - it sometimes is an era that isn't easily discovered but it's not impossible - do the homework and you can learn about it. If it's handed to you on a platter then what's the point? I think it's more rewarding to teach myself by reading books, listening to DJ sets, randomly listening to records in a store, digging through old magazines, etc. MEK techno [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org gy.net cc: Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history 11/10/02 01:33 AM In my previous post the word elitist was referring to the collector types who are not very forthcoming about information on rare and limited releases. I was suggesting something like a DVD archive for listing singles, promos, remixes, un-released tracks, ect. from well known to the lesser know Detroit artist and labels. When it comes to techno there seems to be a gray area with records falling into obscurity especially from the very late 80's to early 90's. To give you example sometimes when going through old dance music magazines like Art Payne's column in Streetsounds magazine I'll see a review of a record that I never knew existed or maybe mention of a short lived Detroit techno label. Lets take this review by Josh Tearnan, The Vibe Magazine: Images - The Keys to Heaven/ It's Just a Groove (Siren Records) With the people producing this record, it's bound to be big Santonio (of Resses Santonio fame) Art Forest (remixer of Inner City), and Brian Hall. The A side, featuring vocals by Mischivous, has three mixes. The best is the club mix; it's classic inner city style, complete with backtracked beats and pumpin' keyboards. There are even samples from Martin Luther King's famous speech. The B side is also a prime cut. The only problem with this record is deciding which cut is better. on 11/9/02 12:21 PM, marc christensen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear techno -- It's nice to see you can couple a good, fresh insight to a troll. Because you're right -- the old-school elitism of the NW side GQ cliques was very palpable, and has been documented well in interview sources. Your reminder even makes the self-justifying marginalization of disagreement implicit in your original post much more bearable. But doesn't this also mean it would be more Detroit techno of us not only to disagree, but also to withhold more information? If so, I will continue to do so, and shut up now. -marc At 6:46 PM -0600 11/8/02, techno wrote: Of coure the elitist will disagree with me on this. At 8:38 PM -0500 11/8/02, Lee Herrington IV wrote: does the elitist post to this list? At 11:05 AM -0600 11/9/02, techno wrote: Yes and they do not always share information. Elitism has always been a part of Detroit techno and underground dance music culture a social and political aspect to the music.
Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
on 11/11/02 10:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my previous post the word elitist was referring to the collector types who are not very forthcoming about information on rare and limited releases. That's the way it has always been in the world of DJs and dance music - everyone wants that tune/record that nobody else has. I wouldn't expect this list to be any different. that was my point about elitist objecting over this idea. When it comes to techno there seems to be a gray area with records falling into obscurity especially from the very late 80's to early 90's. True - it sometimes is an era that isn't easily discovered but it's not impossible - do the homework and you can learn about it. If it's handed to you on a platter then what's the point? well fist of all your putting infornation out there that's not easily accesable so it's more practlicle for people who have a genuin interest and curiosity about the music to learn about Detroit techno. Your also archiving an important part of history in a convieniant package for future refrence. I think it's more rewarding to teach myself by reading books, listening to DJ sets, randomly listening to records in a store, digging through old magazines, etc. certain aspects of that can be rewarding but it's mostly a hastle and very time consuming.
Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
That's the way it has always been... that was my point about elitist objecting over this idea. For many people it's a job - and that is what it takes to stay on top. It's not elitist, it's survival in a crowded world. + When it comes to techno there seems to be a gray area with records falling into obscurity especially from the very late 80's to early 90's. True - it sometimes is an era that isn't easily discovered but it's not impossible - do the homework and you can learn about it. If it's handed to you on a platter then what's the point? well fist of all your putting infornation out there that's not easily accesable so it's more practlicle for people who have a genuin interest and curiosity about the music to learn about Detroit techno. Your also archiving an important part of history in a convieniant package for future refrence. I think it's more rewarding to teach myself by reading books, listening to DJ sets, randomly listening to records in a store, digging through old magazines, etc. certain aspects of that can be rewarding but it's mostly a hastle and very time consuming. regarding the whole section above: I don't understand. On one hand you're talking about having information put out there so that it's easier to find out about and those with genuine interest/curiosity about the music will learn about it. But then when you say that teaching yourself by reading about it, listening to DJ sets, randomly listening to old records and digging through old magazines is a hastle and very time consuming. Who is the one with more genuine interest? The person who, without a one-stop shopping place for all things techno, goes out and finds out for themselves, dedicates time and money and goes through the hassle - or- the person who wants the quick and easy fix of finding everything in one place? The information I have in my head and the records I have are more important to me *because* I've spent sh*t loads of my time digging it all up, searching it out, and going through the hassle of it all. Sounds like you want an easy answer. MEK
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on 11/11/02 2:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that was my point about elitist objecting over this idea. For many people it's a job - and that is what it takes to stay on top. It's not elitist, it's survival in a crowded world. If information on old and obsolete techno records is putting people out of business maybe they should consider a career change. regarding the whole section above: I don't understand. On one hand you're talking about having information put out there so that it's easier to find out about and those with genuine interest/curiosity about the music will learn about it. But then when you say that teaching yourself by reading about it, listening to DJ sets, randomly listening to old records and digging through old magazines is a hastle and very time consuming. Who is the one with more genuine interest? The person who, without a one-stop shopping place for all things techno, goes out and finds out for themselves, dedicates time and money and goes through the hassle - or- the person who wants the quick and easy fix of finding everything in one place? I like the more practical approach of acquiring information. People would just have greater understanding of the artist and labels that have contributed to the Detroit techno genre. The information I have in my head and the records I have are more important to me *because* I've spent sh*t loads of my time digging it all up, searching it out, and going through the hassle of it all. Sounds like you want an easy answer. It's only information what you do with it is what's important. Besides we live in the 21st Century I like the concept of new technology making old methods obsolete.
Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
Dan Sicko wrote on Sat, 9 Nov 2002 about following: Can we move this discussion to the 313-elite mailing list please? hey, IT'S NOT FAIR, i know you gotta have 313-ELITE -header set as well as you have to be able to fart NO UFO's to get on _that_ list! ok jus kiddin :) in reality, elitism is part of all cultures. you can't avoid it. just live with it. i'm looking forward to see the movie. for some reason i feel like quoting model 500 here: from ocean to ocean there will be shining new world is approaching nothing remains the same can you imagine a world where all men will be free, you be you and i'll be me to be free to be free to be free it all seems like a dream far away possibility but i tell you my friend it's closer than you think sakke - everybody dance, let's party together c'mon clap your hands! -- all systems are go
Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
In my previous post the word elitist was referring to the collector types who are not very forthcoming about information on rare and limited releases. I was suggesting something like a DVD archive for listing singles, promos, remixes, un-released tracks, ect. from well known to the lesser know Detroit artist and labels. When it comes to techno there seems to be a gray area with records falling into obscurity especially from the very late 80's to early 90's. To give you example sometimes when going through old dance music magazines like Art Payne's column in Streetsounds magazine I'll see a review of a record that I never knew existed or maybe mention of a short lived Detroit techno label. Lets take this review by Josh Tearnan, The Vibe Magazine: Images - The Keys to Heaven/ It's Just a Groove (Siren Records) With the people producing this record, it's bound to be big Santonio (of Resses Santonio fame) Art Forest (remixer of Inner City), and Brian Hall. The A side, featuring vocals by Mischivous, has three mixes. The best is the club mix; it's classic inner city style, complete with backtracked beats and pumpin' keyboards. There are even samples from Martin Luther King's famous speech. The B side is also a prime cut. The only problem with this record is deciding which cut is better. on 11/9/02 12:21 PM, marc christensen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear techno -- It's nice to see you can couple a good, fresh insight to a troll. Because you're right -- the old-school elitism of the NW side GQ cliques was very palpable, and has been documented well in interview sources. Your reminder even makes the self-justifying marginalization of disagreement implicit in your original post much more bearable. But doesn't this also mean it would be more Detroit techno of us not only to disagree, but also to withhold more information? If so, I will continue to do so, and shut up now. -marc At 6:46 PM -0600 11/8/02, techno wrote: Of coure the elitist will disagree with me on this. At 8:38 PM -0500 11/8/02, Lee Herrington IV wrote: does the elitist post to this list? At 11:05 AM -0600 11/9/02, techno wrote: Yes and they do not always share information. Elitism has always been a part of Detroit techno and underground dance music culture a social and political aspect to the music.
Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, T.J.Johnson wrote: The funny thing is, I've never noticed any elitism in the Detroit techno music business until I joined this list. It's interesting how the internet helps shape the world... Well, it's like this: to some extent, the 313 list INVENTED the sort of over-reverent, concerned-with-absolute-purity, hardcore trainspotter version of Detroit Techno. A few journalists got on the list and started spreading the meme to the hoi polloi. People start seeing their opinions reflected back at them from magazines and think they got the world on lock. I mean there's a whole GENRE of music -- IDM -- that is NAMED after a mailing list. And, I might add, the mailing list is 95% of the worldwide market for the music. Does that make mailing lists influential, or just just a closed feedback loop? And lest we forget, the whole futuristic utopian idea of techno was invented by Derrick May and Juan Atkins egging on British journalists some time after they started making the music. The whole problem with journalists is they're writers, and they're always confusing an attractive narrative for reality. I don't have to worry about being an elitist -- At any party, I'm the large guy with the beer gut and thick glasses, that everyone thinks is a cop or someone's dad. If I'm elite, I doubt people want to be quite this elite.
Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
I would like to see a comprehensive Detroit techno and Chicago house chronology of the music year by year. It may be more practical and cost effective to do something like this on a digital medium like CD-ROM or DVD since you would be covering a lot of ground with artist and record label discography's. Actually DVD would be ideal for this since you have the options of audio and video and it can store a vast amount of information. Techno Rebels is a good book going over the history and origins of the music but it really doesn't delve into the more obscure Detroit techno records and labels that should not be excluded from history. Of coure the elitist will disagree with me on this. on 11/8/02 5:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: actually - that's a really nice website. gives credit and some history to the trailblazers of Detroit music in #3 which brings me to the topic of books about the very same- to you Detroiters and Detroit historians a question - which books give the best history of Detroit music? Whether it be encyclopedia style or a more narrated story what I really love to see in a book is a discography in the back and maybe even eras broken down - ala Dan's Techno Rebels MEK
RE: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
does the elitist post to this list? -Original Message- From: techno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 7:46 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history I would like to see a comprehensive Detroit techno and Chicago house chronology of the music year by year. It may be more practical and cost effective to do something like this on a digital medium like CD-ROM or DVD since you would be covering a lot of ground with artist and record label discography's. Actually DVD would be ideal for this since you have the options of audio and video and it can store a vast amount of information. Techno Rebels is a good book going over the history and origins of the music but it really doesn't delve into the more obscure Detroit techno records and labels that should not be excluded from history. Of coure the elitist will disagree with me on this. on 11/8/02 5:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: actually - that's a really nice website. gives credit and some history to the trailblazers of Detroit music in #3 which brings me to the topic of books about the very same- to you Detroiters and Detroit historians a question - which books give the best history of Detroit music? Whether it be encyclopedia style or a more narrated story what I really love to see in a book is a discography in the back and maybe even eras broken down - ala Dan's Techno Rebels MEK
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Last week on Invisible Cracker Mom: LHI does the elitist post to this list? He'd never admit to it. - Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno Strokes of s of Defiance EP . . . soon.
Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
on 11/8/02 7:38 PM, Lee Herrington IV at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does the elitist post to this list? Yes and they do not always share information. Elitism has always been a part of Detroit techno and underground dance music culture a social and political aspect to the music.
Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
dear techno -- It's nice to see you can couple a good, fresh insight to a troll. Because you're right -- the old-school elitism of the NW side GQ cliques was very palpable, and has been documented well in interview sources. Your reminder even makes the self-justifying marginalization of disagreement implicit in your original post much more bearable. But doesn't this also mean it would be more Detroit techno of us not only to disagree, but also to withhold more information? If so, I will continue to do so, and shut up now. -marc At 6:46 PM -0600 11/8/02, techno wrote: Of coure the elitist will disagree with me on this. At 8:38 PM -0500 11/8/02, Lee Herrington IV wrote: does the elitist post to this list? At 11:05 AM -0600 11/9/02, techno wrote: Yes and they do not always share information. Elitism has always been a part of Detroit techno and underground dance music culture a social and political aspect to the music.
Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
The funny thing is, I've never noticed any elitism in the Detroit techno music business until I joined this list. It's interesting how the internet helps shape the world... marc christensen wrote: dear techno -- It's nice to see you can couple a good, fresh insight to a troll. Because you're right -- the old-school elitism of the NW side GQ cliques was very palpable, and has been documented well in interview sources. Your reminder even makes the self-justifying marginalization of disagreement implicit in your original post much more bearable. But doesn't this also mean it would be more Detroit techno of us not only to disagree, but also to withhold more information? If so, I will continue to do so, and shut up now. -marc At 6:46 PM -0600 11/8/02, techno wrote: Of coure the elitist will disagree with me on this. At 8:38 PM -0500 11/8/02, Lee Herrington IV wrote: does the elitist post to this list? At 11:05 AM -0600 11/9/02, techno wrote: Yes and they do not always share information. Elitism has always been a part of Detroit techno and underground dance music culture a social and political aspect to the music. TJJ ~in a perfect world, nothing is perfect~ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com
Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
Can we move this discussion to the 313-elite mailing list please? I believe the server forwards messages on a wireless network inside Lafayette Coney Island. -d On Saturday, November 9, 2002, at 01:21 PM, marc christensen wrote: dear techno -- It's nice to see you can couple a good, fresh insight to a troll. Because you're right -- the old-school elitism of the NW side GQ cliques was very palpable, and has been documented well in interview sources. Your reminder even makes the self-justifying marginalization of disagreement implicit in your original post much more bearable. But doesn't this also mean it would be more Detroit techno of us not only to disagree, but also to withhold more information? If so, I will continue to do so, and shut up now. -marc At 6:46 PM -0600 11/8/02, techno wrote: Of coure the elitist will disagree with me on this. At 8:38 PM -0500 11/8/02, Lee Herrington IV wrote: does the elitist post to this list? At 11:05 AM -0600 11/9/02, techno wrote: Yes and they do not always share information. Elitism has always been a part of Detroit techno and underground dance music culture a social and political aspect to the music.
Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
actually - that's a really nice website. gives credit and some history to the trailblazers of Detroit music in #3 which brings me to the topic of books about the very same- to you Detroiters and Detroit historians a question - which books give the best history of Detroit music? Whether it be encyclopedia style or a more narrated story what I really love to see in a book is a discography in the back and maybe even eras broken down - ala Dan's Techno Rebels MEK Patrick Wacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org utpost.com cc: Subject: (313) 8-Mile 11/08/02 04:20 PM Check out the site for Eminem's film... http://www.8-mile.com/ It's a Flash based site with plenty of things to see and do... If you pull down the map of Detroit and click on #3, you'll get a brief history of Detroit Techno! (Moby definately excluded! ;) Anyway, go have a look around. Peace, Patrick. -- Southern Outpost Distributed worldwide via Twilight 76 http://www.southernoutpost.com p:+61 412 313 151 f:+ 612 9032 6046 --
[313] Detroit music
Just wanted to let you know that my music is available at www.mp3.com/micaelforsberg If anyone would like to give me some comments on my tracks I would be so happy. Micael Forsberg Designer at www.monowaste.com
[313] Detroit Music In UK Media
There's an ace (though too short) interview with the awesome Norma Jean Bell in the new Jockey Slut, plus a good review of a new KMS EP by my new fave Das Closer penned by TMF, and in Seven (8 Aug) there is a good 'exclusive' interview with Mr Hawtin plus great coverage of the Musik Und Maschine event in which Jeff Mills refers to his early music terrible (I disagree but great artists always diss their early efforts). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
i found new detroit music
i was at a rave in LA, CAL a couple of weeks and the dj played this track(white label) that drove the place mad. no one knew whom it was so i called watts and this it it below read this DANCEDANCE COM PRES MISSION X - Various Artist (698) - TECHNO - 6 tracks+prod. by T.B.C.-'Goodbye Earth', 'Alien CIA agent' 'Bluepeople'; Unsel Brown-'Mission X' Star'; UB1-'Journey'. No nonsense Detroit EP of tribal tech hardness, electro techno, tech jazzy house, tech house and powerful Detroit techno. Every track solid! - BROTHERS - US - 12 - BROTH 001 - 6118 who are they __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] i found new detroit music
DAMMIT! I was gonna use Unsel's tracks on ECG! I'll still use it, just wanted everyone to be like Who's that when they hear it. You're right though. The tracks are pretty tight. DJ HEAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 03/09/2001 12:52:13 PM To: DETROIT 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: [313] i found new detroit music i was at a rave in LA, CAL a couple of weeks and the dj played this track(white label) that drove the place mad. no one knew whom it was so i called watts and this it it below read this DANCEDANCE COM PRES MISSION X - Various Artist (698) - TECHNO - 6 tracks+prod. by T.B.C.-'Goodbye Earth', 'Alien CIA agent' 'Bluepeople'; Unsel Brown-'Mission X' Star'; UB1-'Journey'. No nonsense Detroit EP of tribal tech hardness, electro techno, tech jazzy house, tech house and powerful Detroit techno. Every track solid! - BROTHERS - US - 12 - BROTH 001 - 6118 who are they __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] i found new detroit music
Oh dear... Who are they? You and your specially invited mates. Give it a rest. i was at a rave in LA, CAL a couple of weeks and the dj played this track(white label) that drove the place mad. no one knew whom it was so i called watts and this it it below read this DANCEDANCE COM PRES MISSION X - Various Artist (698) - TECHNO - 6 tracks+prod. by T.B.C.-'Goodbye Earth', 'Alien CIA agent' 'Bluepeople'; Unsel Brown-'Mission X' Star'; UB1-'Journey'. No nonsense Detroit EP of tribal tech hardness, electro techno, tech jazzy house, tech house and powerful Detroit techno. Every track solid! - BROTHERS - US - 12 - BROTH 001 - 6118 who are they
Re: [313] i found new detroit music
ECG, for those that are wondering, is the name of my next mix CD. Envision-Contemplate-Generate. www.geocities.com/labwerx George Jones/US/ABNAMRO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] on 03/09/2001 01:06:13 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: Re: [313] i found new detroit music DAMMIT! I was gonna use Unsel's tracks on ECG!
Re: [313] i found new detroit music
Oh dear... Who are they? You and your specially invited mates. Give it a rest. what??? Unsel, care to enlighten us all? http://www.dancedance.com
Re: [313] i found new detroit music
Oh dear... Who are they? You and your specially invited mates. Give it a rest. what??? Unsel, care to enlighten us all? http://www.dancedance.com Based on the fact that DJ Heat's mails to the list have all been related to the notorious Unsel Brown I assumed he's been doing him a bit of promotion. I'm mightily confused by your last two posts, and if this was just legit posting by DJ Heat, I apologise. It still looks like shameless badly disguised self promotion to me, though, whether Unsel's records are any good or not :) though I'll happily stand corrected, mind. Jonny.
Detroit music making gear list
Hugh, There's a list on e-groups called tech gear that specializes in making detroit style techno. It's a bit dead, but if people from this list join, I'm sure it will pick up momentum! GYS set.go.recordings www.mp3.com/gys
detroit music awards
the annual detroit music awards just happened friday evening; i thought the electronic/dance categories would be of some interest. i listed nominees starred the winners. Electronic Recording Rolando Knights of the Jaguar Innerzone Orchestra Programmed Aaron Carl Down Assault Hoe's Get Naked Richie Hawtin Orange Stacey Pullen Sweat Electronic Artist Innerzone Orchestra Aux 88 Aaron Carl DJ Marquis Richie Hawtin Electronic DJ DJ Bone Rolando (UR) DJ Assault DJ Marquis Stacey Pullen Electronic Writer/Producer Carl Craig Kenny Dixon Jr. (KDJ) Rolando Terrence Parker Mike Banks (UR) Tommy Onyx kbk
Re: (313) detroit music awards
Does anyone have historical data on winners for this? Especially curious about RH's track record. Shame to see Jaguar not get the vote, but i suspect it would have if there was an LP vs. Single distinction. I hope we can open nominations to include some newer faces next year. -- There4IM kelli b kavanaugh wrote: the annual detroit music awards just happened friday evening; i thought the electronic/dance categories would be of some interest. i listed nominees starred the winners. Electronic Recording Rolando Knights of the Jaguar Innerzone Orchestra Programmed Aaron Carl Down Assault Hoe's Get Naked Richie Hawtin Orange Stacey Pullen Sweat Electronic Artist Innerzone Orchestra Aux 88 Aaron Carl DJ Marquis Richie Hawtin Electronic DJ DJ Bone Rolando (UR) DJ Assault DJ Marquis Stacey Pullen Electronic Writer/Producer Carl Craig Kenny Dixon Jr. (KDJ) Rolando Terrence Parker Mike Banks (UR) Tommy Onyx
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I went to the DEMAs a couple years ago. It was great, the crowd was very band supportive and when Eddie Fowlkes got up to accept his award and almost no one clapped he ..well, he let his opinions be heard. It was great, he told it how it was. diana From: Ian Malbon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) detroit music awards Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:35:05 -0400 Does anyone have historical data on winners for this? Especially curious about RH's track record. Shame to see Jaguar not get the vote, but i suspect it would have if there was an LP vs. Single distinction. I hope we can open nominations to include some newer faces next year. -- There4IM kelli b kavanaugh wrote: the annual detroit music awards just happened friday evening; i thought the electronic/dance categories would be of some interest. i listed nominees starred the winners. Electronic Recording Rolando Knights of the Jaguar Innerzone Orchestra Programmed Aaron Carl Down Assault Hoe's Get Naked Richie Hawtin Orange Stacey Pullen Sweat Electronic Artist Innerzone Orchestra Aux 88 Aaron Carl DJ Marquis Richie Hawtin Electronic DJ DJ Bone Rolando (UR) DJ Assault DJ Marquis Stacey Pullen Electronic Writer/Producer Carl Craig Kenny Dixon Jr. (KDJ) Rolando Terrence Parker Mike Banks (UR) Tommy Onyx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Detroit Music Festival
For all electronic musicians, artists, Djs that would like to participate in the Festival please send demo's to: Electronic Music Festival, PO Box 27218, Detroit, MI 48227 .keep your hands off each other unless you tend to love, stay still stay together. Emanuel
