[abcusers] OT: Academia
At 03:32 PM 12/1/2004, John Chambers wrote: snip After getting some Math and Comp Sci degrees, I hung around in academia for a decade working on a couple of interesting projects. Then I decided to join the Real World. It took several years to learn how to deal with the easily-bruised egos in that you find there. I still tend to think of business folks as utter wimps compared to the folks in academia. Interesting that I should come across a particular used book today. The jacket has a caricature of a appropriately-dressed, medieval-looking fellow peering into a mirror; The book is: Is My Armor On Straight? - A Year in the Life of a University President by Richard Berendzen, American University, Washington DC. Don To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Bryan Creer (?)
At 06:54 PM 11/30/2004, John Chambers wrote: Phil Taylor writes: | On 30 Nov 2004, at 06:52, Don Whitener wrote: | I have been out of touch lately, so I offer my sincere apologies | should I blunder onto any toes. So far as I can tell, Bryan Creer has | not posted to this group since early August 2003... Has he dropped out | for a while? | | He does rather tend to drop out for long periods of time, then return | to start a mighty argument. | You may find him at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe we should invite him back. I've always sorta enjoyed the discussions that he started. And it's been quiet around here lately, too quiet ... I don't post a lot, but I do love to read... When people don't 'discuss', it slows the learning it does. Thanks to you all, and Hello Bryan. Don To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Bryan Creer (?)
I have been out of touch lately, so I offer my sincere apologies should I blunder onto any toes. So far as I can tell, Bryan Creer has not posted to this group since early August 2003... Has he dropped out for a while? Best regards, Don To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] RE: AbcIde
At 11:03 AM 1/28/2004, Phil wrote: Did you manage to get it to run ? Did everything ELSE work (help files, c) Thanks, Phil Seems like a very nice and useful program Phil, and everything that I have tried appears to work ok. Is there a plan to expand the cataloging function to automatically catalog all of the ABC files in, say, one folder? I haven't brought myself to manually open several hundred ABC files in order to get them in the catalog, but I will do it. But before I do that, have I overlooked something (I hope)? Don To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Binary for Jef Moine's 'tclabc'?
Hello, Does anyone have a Windows binary for Jef Moine's 'tclabc', used in conjunction with his tclabc/tkabc GUI (see http://moinejf.free.fr/ )? I understand that for Windows this compiles to a single DLL. If available, I would very much appreciate a copy; I do not presently have the capability to compile this DLL. Regards, Don To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Muse
Hello, On 1 July 2003, Jack Campin posted the following (as part of a larger post) to the Abcusers list, regarding on-going discussions for developing the new standard for ABC: The kicker is Muse. At some point somebody else is going to revive it, and the job shouldn't be made gratuitously difficult by insisting that it should be another abcm2ps when it was designed with entirely different and very well-thought-out goals. It's a major implementation with years of work behind it and mustn't be wasted. With a sincere wish to not appear insensitive, is anyone aware of any plans to carry out a revival of Muse? I fully agree with Jack that the effort should not be wasted. Regards, Don To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Abcm2ps Measurefont
I see that in the latest abcm2ps release, Jef has added the %%measurefont format parameter... Thank you *very* much Jef! Good man! Regards, Don To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Abcm2Ps Measure Number Font
I believe that we may be addressing two different things. I am referring the font for the bar numbers that are set with [%%measurenb], not the numbers that are included in the repeated endings. But that is a good idea also... Don At 05:19 AM 8/25/2003, you wrote: On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:25:58 -0500, Don Whitener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been tinkering around a bit with a format file for Abcm2ps... I am looking for a way to change the font size of the measure numbers, and I can't seem to find a way to do this. Can this font size be changed, or am I just overlooking something? You could change it overloading the postscript functions 'end1' and 'end2'. In the release 3.7.3, I added '%%repeatfont' for that. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Abcm2Ps Measure Number Font
Thank you John... Neither of these commands seem to have any affect, so I presume they are not valid in Abcm2ps. Don At 12:48 PM 8/25/2003, John Chambers wrote: Don Whitener writes: | I believe that we may be addressing two different things. I am referring | the font for the bar numbers that are set with [%%measurenb], not the | numbers that are included in the repeated endings. But that is a good idea | also... The original abc2ps has a barnumberfont setting, and also a barlabelfont. Try those and see how they work. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Another Abcm2ps Question
While on the subject of Abcm2ps RTFM, I have done so, and come away with an empty bucket. Is it possible to set the font size for the measure numbers? If so, this continues to elude me, even with a bit of tinkering around with format files... Any guidance would be appreciated. Don To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Abcm2Ps Measure Number Font
I've been tinkering around a bit with a format file for Abcm2ps... I am looking for a way to change the font size of the measure numbers, and I can't seem to find a way to do this. Can this font size be changed, or am I just overlooking something? Also, while I'm asking, is there a way to change the font of the decorations or expressions? If so, this is eluding me as well. Everything else seems pretty straight forward, so far. Any help will be appreciated. Regards, Don To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Solfa (Was: [abcusers] a very peculiar use of word alignment
My apologies for being just a bit off topic, but I think I sense some potential help at hand here on my next upcoming project. At 04:48 AM 7/23/2003, Jack Campin wrote: Just for laughs, I tried to see if I could do parallel solfa lines in BarFly using the w: construct, with the solfa symbols being treated as words. The problem with it was that in solfa, the :, . and , characters are used as barlines and beat separators; they align between notes. So I tried to align them to y non-printing spaces. I couldn't get it to work right, but I cannot figure out if it should have worked at all, if I needed a different syntax to do it than the one I was using, or if the failure was a bug. Can it be done? (I did figure out that I needed to escape the - signs, used in solfa to add duration to the previous note). I haven't figured out what on earth to use for a lower-octave sign: solfa uses a sort of kerned subscripted apostrophe, easily distinguishable from the fat comma used for marking quarter- or eighth-beats. There's nothing in the standard Mac character set that looks like it so I can't even do high-bit cheating. I have recently come by a small book Songs of the Gael, by A. P. Breathnach, 1922. This book appears to use precisely the notation system described by Jack. I am about ready to transcribe the music to a familiar (to me) form of notation. I have searched the Internet for some reference on this system of notation, but have thus far had no luck in finding *anything* that defines usage of the various characters and marks. The letter characters obviously represent the solfege notes, but the meaning of the other characters is not so clear. Can you, Jack, or anyone, point me to a reference, either printed or online, that defines this notation system? I would appreciate any help, as some published guideline would sure help shorten the learning curve. Regards, Don To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: Solfa (Was: [abcusers] a very peculiar use of word alignment
Thank you Jack, I'll try to locate a copy of the John Curwen reference through Inter-Library Loan. The local library does not have it, but it should be obtainable, now that I know exactly what to look for. The local library does have a copy of the 20-volume version of New Grove Dictionary of Music; I'll check it tomorrow and see what it has to offer. Regards, Don At 07:00 PM 7/23/2003, Jack Campin wrote: I have recently come by a small book Songs of the Gael, by A. P. Breathnach, 1922. It's still widely used by Gaelic singers. This book appears to use precisely the notation system described by Jack. I am about ready to transcribe the music to a familiar (to me) form of notation. I have searched the Internet for some reference on this system of notation, but have thus far had no luck in finding *anything* that defines usage of the various characters and marks. The letter characters obviously represent the solfege notes, but the meaning of the other characters is not so clear. Can you, Jack, or anyone, point me to a reference, either printed or online, that defines this notation system? The standard reference is John Curwen, Standard Course on the Tonic Sol-Fa Method, reprinted in umpteen editions from 1858 onwards (I have the 1901 edition). It goes far beyond simply being a notation manual; it's a complete course in the theory and practice of music. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)
In my view of things, removing the C:Composer field steps just over the line in being too radical :0( I really like to see this header just under the title, where it doesn't get lost. Retaining the identity of the composer is paramount in importance to knowing the name of the tune, and thus it needs its own header, separate from having this information buried in an Index line. If you see a C: in a list of headers, then it serves as gentle reminder that this is an entry that really should be filled out. Does using A-G, X and Z in a header ever cause confusion with a notes and rests? I honestly don't see how, but if so, please explain it to me. Seriously. Don At 07:51 AM 7/18/2003, Tom Novelli wrote: I've been working on an Abc 2.0 proposal, which is a stripped-down version of 1.6. Amongst other things, I removed most of the headers (notably A-G, X and Z, to avoid confusion with notes and rests). I admit it's a little radical :) http://bespin.org/~tom/abc2-tcn.txt To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it ...
Wil, I checked your web site, and no mention is made of having tested or running Skink under Windows XP. I would imagine that you have had some feedback by now regarding the capability of Skink with Win XP Pro, and could you comment on this, please. As a side, someone told me that XP has a built-in JRE. Do you have any knowledge of this? Would separate installation of JRE still be necessary? I have dug around a bit at Microsoft, but have not yet found an answer. Regards, Don Wil Macaulay said: A gentle reminder: Five Line Skink runs on Windows, Linux and Mac OS X, (as long as you have Java 1.3 or better) is free (as in beer) and does (optionally) display the notes as you type. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it ...
I dug around a bit more late last evening. I'm not sure that I understand all that I know about this. It seems that VM may sort of go away come the first of the year. For more 'enlightnment', see: http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/java/ and http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/evaluation/news/jre.asp It would seem that peaceful co-existence of VM and JRE would be the prudent route. Regards, Don At 07:01 AM 7/5/2003, Steve Mansfield wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bert Van Vreckem [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Don Whitener wrote: As a side, someone told me that XP has a built-in JRE. Do you have any knowledge of this? Would separate installation of JRE still be necessary? I have dug around a bit at Microsoft, but have not yet found an answer. Microsoft's VM is not 100% compatible with the one from Sun. I strongly suggest using the latter. Or maybe you should try the one from MS and let us know whether it works or not... ;-) Been there, done that, installed the Sun JRE! Some stuff (my online banking for one) just won't work with the MS VM, and just about any serious browsing with Opera requires the Sun JRE. The two VMs do seem to co-exist quite happily though, and the machine seems to quite happily decide whether it's going to use the MS VM or the Sun one. All IME, YMMV of course ... To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Lost in abcm2ps
I would agree with your general advice. But I would add that I, out of ignorance, put Ghostscript in a sub-folder other than the default folder and not at the root level. I changed nothing in the configuration files, and everything seems to work just fine. Using Windows 98SE at the moment. Aa! The idiosyncrasies of computers... Keeps programmers off the streets, I presume? Don At 06:02 PM 11/18/02, Forgeot Eric wrote: About ghostscript, I've installed it in an other sub-directory than the default one (I don't like to have program folders in the root) and it works fine (even for creating pdf files), but I remember I've changed several things in the configuration files for that, so as Steve said it's probably better for a beginner to let the default installation directory. ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Jcabc2ps for MSWIN (new version from the corrected sources)
Thanks Eric... Looking forward to getting back home. Don Quoting Forgeot Eric [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, strange enough I didn't get any warning this time when I compiled (using mingw), I may have done something wrong the last time (maybe by adding and removing some flags for cygwin, then there was wrong flags when I compiled with mingw). The new binary, with the 20020929 sources, are now at : http://anamnese.online.fr/abc/jcabc2ps2.zip (so you can compare them with the other, buggy, one.) ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Jcabc2ps (Was Re: [abcusers] sourceforge homepage)
I've been meaning to ask, and this reminds me... Is there a compiled for Windows (32-bit) version of jcabc2ps available anywhere? I have searched, but all I can find is source code. Unfortunately, I haven't the tools at the moment to handle it. Don At 08:14 AM 9/23/02, John Chambers wrote: Well, my abc2ps clone (jcabc2ps) is listed on the sourceforge.abc page, and I'd love to update it to my latest version. I was even given admin privs a year or so back, and since then I've spent a lot of spare time learning about sourceforge. Lots of good stuff there. But I've never found any information telling me how to update that link to my code. This is extremely frustrating. I've gotten email from people who have downloaded it and installed it, and found all sorts of things that don't work. I have to point them to my personal site where I have the latest version. And I apologize for the version on sourceforge. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] John Atchley
Belay that... I found his address. At 02:44 PM 9/11/02, I wrote: Can someone tell me how to contact John Atchley of jaaabc2ps fame? I seem to have lost him :-) Don To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Only a Test
Sorry... Trying to sort something out. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Re: ABaCusMusic Web Site?
Yes, it is... All of Monday and Tuesday it appeared to be lost in the ether At 03:21 AM 7/24/02, Bryan Creer wrote: I just tried it and it seems to be available at the moment. AOL have been causing me a lot of grief and I will be taking my custom elsewhere soon. The new abc editor/player/printer programme is nearly finished and will be available shortly (honestly). Looking forward to it. Don Huntsville, AL To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] New Program?
Brian, At 05:58 PM 5/24/02, Bryan Creer posted: Snip... On the other hand, the editor/player/printer programme I am currently working on Snip... Are you *actively* pursuing development of a new program, and, if so, is there a projected release date? Just curious... You do indeed do good work :-) Don To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Announce: new version of Five Line Skink
Absolutely! That would be neat! Jaabc2ps is my converter of choice. It is the only one that I know of that will produce tin whistle tablature, a feature that I find most useful at times. It will do this for any key of whistle, independent of the key of the tune, if desired. Regards, Don Huntsville, AL At 10:39 AM 6/5/02, you wrote: Any interest in having Skink as a 'front end' for a command-line tool? in other words, use Skink to enter, proof read and proof-listen, and then invoke abcxxps for final output? wil To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] re re : slurs and ties
At 12:36 PM 5/30/02, John Chambers wrote: Snip... In fact, we can't confuse people; they are already confused. With all respect, it serves no one to contribute to this confusion by treating things the same that are in all respects different, that is, different in the 'language of music'. More snipping... All you can really say with accuracy is that printed music uses arcs that connect groups of two or more notes, and these arcs mean different things in different circumstances. This is indeed the real world, and the central issue of my original comments. Still more sniping... In any case, if we want musicians to get such things right in abc, we really should have distinct ways of representing ALL of the uses of arcs in printed music. Now this sounds like a plan... (I hope). :-) You guys take care and keep up the very good work, Don Huntsville, AL To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] re : re: what does that means ?? slurs and ties
I am not a programmer, but I have been a musician for many years, and I am just starting to use the 'magic' of ABC. I am just beginning to really appreciate the effort that has gone into its development, and what a wonderful tool it is. I promised myself that I would stay out of this, but... At some point, someone (I lost track of who) wrote: The only user friendly approach is to allow ties between different notes and slurs between identical notes. Anything else is merely harrassing your users with silly intellectual hair splitting. This is anything but silly intellectual hair splitting... It is just simply incorrect to not make the normal distinction between ties and slurs in any form of musical notation (which does include ABC), and, worst of all, ultimately confusing to users if improper usage is allowed. Ties and slurs are not the same thing, nor are they intended to be, nor were they ever intended to be so far as I know. To not make the correct distinction is just simply unnecessary, in my opinion, and will continue to promote sloppy, or lazy, or ignorant, or individualistic, or non-standard, or what ever you want to call it, practices in writing ABC. It's obvious from the continued discussion that this just make life harder for everyone. Why not just do it correctly and be done with it once and for all? Perhaps my inexperience with the traditional uses of ABC showing? I don't mean to offend anyone, and I offer my apologies if through some manifestation of ignorance or misunderstanding I have done so. Pardon my rant, and now off my box, Don To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] !fine! exclamation-point abuse
Not exactly on topic, but anyway: At 05:13 PM 5/2/02, John Walsh wrote: you could say that you need a second space to end the beam, but this works better for parsers than human readers---the difference between one and two spaces is notoriously hard to spot. (Which pair of words is double-spaced above?) Absolutely... One little thing that you can do is copy text to a new MS Word document, then turn on the display feature that allows all of the formatting characters to show. Then a word space shows as a 'dot' and two word spaces shows as 'two dots'... Very handy at times. I would expect that most word processors have a similar feature. Don To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] chords for O'Neill?
At 02:23 PM 3/5/02, Frank Nordberg wrote: For the benefit of recent subscribers to abcusers, here's a short outline of the history of the O'Neill projects: A group of people lead (eventually) by John Chambers made a joint effort to transcribe O'Neill's Music of Ireland (O'Neill's 1850) While that work was in progress, me and Paul Kinder transcribed Dance Music of Ireland (O'Neill's 1001) and Waifs and Strays respectively The three projects was originally independent of each other, but eventually ended up as a big O'Neill project at John Chamber's site (soon to be mirrored at Musica Viva) New subscriber (and new ABC user for that matter) would be an accurate description for me Still trying to get my feet on the ground, but I am making progress I have gathered some suitable software thanks to some earlier help from members of this list and the truly excellent tutorial sites I find ABC a fascinating concept Not a unique feeling on this list I am sure :-) Am I to gather from the above quote that there is a collection of ABC files for the O'Neill project(s) at John Chambers' site? If so, I can't seem to locate them as such Perhaps they have been disseminated into the overall/greater tune collection? Regards, Don To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://wwwtullochgormcom/listshtml
Re: [abcusers] chords for O'Neill?
Thank you John It just didn't occur to me to go to the parent directory of abc I see now a bit better how your site is organized At 08:02 PM 3/5/02, John Chambers wrote: Don wrote: | Am I to gather from the above quote that there is a collection of ABC files | for the O'Neill project(s) at John Chambers' site? If so, I can't seem | to locate them as such Perhaps they have been disseminated into the | overall/greater tune collection? http://trillianmitedu/~jc/music/book/oneills/ To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://wwwtullochgormcom/listshtml To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://wwwtullochgormcom/listshtml
[abcusers] GUI for jaabc2ps
Does anyone know of a Windows GUI for John Atchley's jaabc2ps program? My initial impression is that this is a very well done program, and the whistle tablature feature fills a notable void in the 'literature'. Thank you John... I would do so directly, but I can't seem to find an address for you :-) Regards, Don To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
