Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
On 1/22/15, Dinesh Kaushal dkaus...@sapient.com wrote: The space bar comes very handy when we are typing on the Braille display. We can type in a computer or a mobile with the help of Braille keyboard. When you are typing on a Braille keyboard, you wouldn't want to go to your computer just to press space. Space bar is also used as a modifier key i.e. it can combine with other keys to issue commands. These commands are screen reader specific. An example of a command could be space bar + dot 1 and dot 4 to copy text, as dot 1 and 4 are character c in Braille. Similarly space + dot 1, dot 4 and dot 5, Braille d, is usually a command to report date / time. Best Dinesh Mobile: +91 9718328272 Knowledge is a process of piling up facts; wisdom lies in their simplification. --Martin Fischer -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Neelima Surve Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:43 PM To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille Yes! That is braille note taker. Dinesh Sir, can you please explain the functions of all the keys on braille display? Especially, when we can use space in computer, then, why there is a space bar key on braille display? Sorry if my question seems irrelevant. Regards, Neelima On 1/21/15, Vedprakash vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com wrote: No no, that is different. Its name is something like note taker. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:09 PM To: neelima24su...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille Hi, Those devices are called refreshable Braille displays. I haven't much knowledge about them, but they are very expensive, I think a lakh rupees? I may be absolutely wrong, but thats what I have heard. Search the very recent AI archives for information on the development of a low cost Braille printer as well. Thanks. I hope some other tech savey person having more experience with electronic Braille may be able to throw light on refreshable Braille displays and Braille printers/embossers. On 1/21/15, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Avinash! I didn't say anything about your letter. I said about that letter, which Mr. Ramakrishnan had posted, after closing this thread. Topic is very intresting, so actually it should not closed. Yes! absolutely ! none can reject, at least, those, who had learn braille from their childhood, that, braille is like a paper pencil, but, now-a-days, I am very sad to say that, we get braille books with a bunch of mistakes. It is true, that various NGOs are providing braille books, but, they use a very out dated machines to make it, so, how can students develop their spellings? Dear Ved Prakash Sir, what is the price of that machine? Can you throw some light on it? Please! Regards, Neelima On 1/21/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nilima I didn't send any letter to Mr Abidi because my comments are forwarded to him by others that's enough. His irresponssible comment about Braille and adequate responses by organisations working in the blind sector should awaken him for not repeating such blunders in future. On 1/21/15, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for replying on closed topic. Don't worry avinash! we need not to wait for his explainations, which we will never get, , although we'll get, it will hopefully illogical only, so what , how can we expect from this kind of so called activest person. Letter is nice. Sorry for showing mistakes, but, it would be better, if this letter will check again, to avoid some small mistakes, before sending it to him. Regards, neelima On 1/17/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually -impaired-funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
Sorry! Hello! Talk about today's braille reading. On 1/21/15, ram contact.ramkris...@gmail.com wrote: I am sorry dear modarator that this topic was actually closed. I regret sending my letter after the topic was closed. I did not note the closure. - Original Message - From: sanjay sanjaylpra...@yahoo.co.in To: neelima24su...@gmail.com; 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility andissues concerning the disabled.' accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired,funds books in Braille I read books printed in 1980's when there were no computerized Braile Presses in India. But they were perfectly proofread and full of error free from cover to cover. I also read some English books printed in US in 1940's and 60-s. They were also perfectly proofread. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Neelima Surve Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:31 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille No. You cannot say like that, I know, many times it happend, that, we get so many increased, or decreased dots on one paper, , when we complain about it to them, they simply say, that, it happends just because of machine, means, printer. Some small magzines are not going for proof,those just come in front of us with a bunch of mistakes. On 1/21/15, Bhavya shah bhavya.shah...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Those devices are called refreshable Braille displays. I haven't much knowledge about them, but they are very expensive, I think a lakh rupees? I may be absolutely wrong, but thats what I have heard. Search the very recent AI archives for information on the development of a low cost Braille printer as well. Thanks. I hope some other tech savey person having more experience with electronic Braille may be able to throw light on refreshable Braille displays and Braille printers/embossers. On 1/21/15, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Avinash! I didn't say anything about your letter. I said about that letter, which Mr. Ramakrishnan had posted, after closing this thread. Topic is very intresting, so actually it should not closed. Yes! absolutely ! none can reject, at least, those, who had learn braille from their childhood, that, braille is like a paper pencil, but, now-a-days, I am very sad to say that, we get braille books with a bunch of mistakes. It is true, that various NGOs are providing braille books, but, they use a very out dated machines to make it, so, how can students develop their spellings? Dear Ved Prakash Sir, what is the price of that machine? Can you throw some light on it? Please! Regards, Neelima On 1/21/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nilima I didn't send any letter to Mr Abidi because my comments are forwarded to him by others that's enough. His irresponssible comment about Braille and adequate responses by organisations working in the blind sector should awaken him for not repeating such blunders in future. On 1/21/15, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for replying on closed topic. Don't worry avinash! we need not to wait for his explainations, which we will never get, , although we'll get, it will hopefully illogical only, so what , how can we expect from this kind of so called activest person. Letter is nice. Sorry for showing mistakes, but, it would be better, if this letter will check again, to avoid some small mistakes, before sending it to him. Regards, neelima On 1/17/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually-impaired -funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
Yes! That is braille note taker. Dinesh Sir, can you please explain the functions of all the keys on braille display? Especially, when we can use space in computer, then, why there is a space bar key on braille display? Sorry if my question seems irrelevant. Regards, Neelima On 1/21/15, Vedprakash vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com wrote: No no, that is different. Its name is something like note taker. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:09 PM To: neelima24su...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille Hi, Those devices are called refreshable Braille displays. I haven't much knowledge about them, but they are very expensive, I think a lakh rupees? I may be absolutely wrong, but thats what I have heard. Search the very recent AI archives for information on the development of a low cost Braille printer as well. Thanks. I hope some other tech savey person having more experience with electronic Braille may be able to throw light on refreshable Braille displays and Braille printers/embossers. On 1/21/15, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Avinash! I didn't say anything about your letter. I said about that letter, which Mr. Ramakrishnan had posted, after closing this thread. Topic is very intresting, so actually it should not closed. Yes! absolutely ! none can reject, at least, those, who had learn braille from their childhood, that, braille is like a paper pencil, but, now-a-days, I am very sad to say that, we get braille books with a bunch of mistakes. It is true, that various NGOs are providing braille books, but, they use a very out dated machines to make it, so, how can students develop their spellings? Dear Ved Prakash Sir, what is the price of that machine? Can you throw some light on it? Please! Regards, Neelima On 1/21/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nilima I didn't send any letter to Mr Abidi because my comments are forwarded to him by others that's enough. His irresponssible comment about Braille and adequate responses by organisations working in the blind sector should awaken him for not repeating such blunders in future. On 1/21/15, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for replying on closed topic. Don't worry avinash! we need not to wait for his explainations, which we will never get, , although we'll get, it will hopefully illogical only, so what , how can we expect from this kind of so called activest person. Letter is nice. Sorry for showing mistakes, but, it would be better, if this letter will check again, to avoid some small mistakes, before sending it to him. Regards, neelima On 1/17/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually -impaired-funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_ accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia. org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- God examine those whom loves he the most. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
Being Braille interface developer for an assistive technology company, I got to use around 8 Braille devices. There are 2 types of devices that are used to work with Braille. One is known as Braille Display or Braille Line or Braille Panel. This device can connect with computer via USB or can connect via mobile phone or computer via Bluetooth. A Braille Display does not have any internal storage and is driven by the external devices such as a mobile phone or computer. Such devices come with or without input keys. If there are any input keys, there are usually 9 keys. One is a space key and others are 8 keys for entering 8 dot computer Braille. Another is a Braille note. This device in addition to a Braille display also has internal storage and a few apps such as email, word processor, browser, notepad, calculator and so on. Such devices are sort of PDAs. These devices are very expensive. They could cost in the range of Rs. 70K to Rs. 5 Lakhs depending on the number of Braille cells and features. The number of Braille cells are in the range of 12 to 80. 12 to 20 cell devices are good to work with mobile phones. Best Dinesh Mobile: +91 9718328272 Knowledge is a process of piling up facts; wisdom lies in their simplification. --Martin Fischer -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vedprakash Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:40 PM To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.'; neelima24su...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille No no, that is different. Its name is something like note taker. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:09 PM To: neelima24su...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille Hi, Those devices are called refreshable Braille displays. I haven't much knowledge about them, but they are very expensive, I think a lakh rupees? I may be absolutely wrong, but thats what I have heard. Search the very recent AI archives for information on the development of a low cost Braille printer as well. Thanks. I hope some other tech savey person having more experience with electronic Braille may be able to throw light on refreshable Braille displays and Braille printers/embossers. On 1/21/15, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Avinash! I didn't say anything about your letter. I said about that letter, which Mr. Ramakrishnan had posted, after closing this thread. Topic is very intresting, so actually it should not closed. Yes! absolutely ! none can reject, at least, those, who had learn braille from their childhood, that, braille is like a paper pencil, but, now-a-days, I am very sad to say that, we get braille books with a bunch of mistakes. It is true, that various NGOs are providing braille books, but, they use a very out dated machines to make it, so, how can students develop their spellings? Dear Ved Prakash Sir, what is the price of that machine? Can you throw some light on it? Please! Regards, Neelima On 1/21/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nilima I didn't send any letter to Mr Abidi because my comments are forwarded to him by others that's enough. His irresponssible comment about Braille and adequate responses by organisations working in the blind sector should awaken him for not repeating such blunders in future. On 1/21/15, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for replying on closed topic. Don't worry avinash! we need not to wait for his explainations, which we will never get, , although we'll get, it will hopefully illogical only, so what , how can we expect from this kind of so called activest person. Letter is nice. Sorry for showing mistakes, but, it would be better, if this letter will check again, to avoid some small mistakes, before sending it to him. Regards, neelima On 1/17/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually -impaired-funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
I read books printed in 1980's when there were no computerized Braile Presses in India. But they were perfectly proofread and full of error free from cover to cover. I also read some English books printed in US in 1940's and 60-s. They were also perfectly proofread. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Neelima Surve Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:31 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille No. You cannot say like that, I know, many times it happend, that, we get so many increased, or decreased dots on one paper, , when we complain about it to them, they simply say, that, it happends just because of machine, means, printer. Some small magzines are not going for proof,those just come in front of us with a bunch of mistakes. On 1/21/15, Bhavya shah bhavya.shah...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Those devices are called refreshable Braille displays. I haven't much knowledge about them, but they are very expensive, I think a lakh rupees? I may be absolutely wrong, but thats what I have heard. Search the very recent AI archives for information on the development of a low cost Braille printer as well. Thanks. I hope some other tech savey person having more experience with electronic Braille may be able to throw light on refreshable Braille displays and Braille printers/embossers. On 1/21/15, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Avinash! I didn't say anything about your letter. I said about that letter, which Mr. Ramakrishnan had posted, after closing this thread. Topic is very intresting, so actually it should not closed. Yes! absolutely ! none can reject, at least, those, who had learn braille from their childhood, that, braille is like a paper pencil, but, now-a-days, I am very sad to say that, we get braille books with a bunch of mistakes. It is true, that various NGOs are providing braille books, but, they use a very out dated machines to make it, so, how can students develop their spellings? Dear Ved Prakash Sir, what is the price of that machine? Can you throw some light on it? Please! Regards, Neelima On 1/21/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nilima I didn't send any letter to Mr Abidi because my comments are forwarded to him by others that's enough. His irresponssible comment about Braille and adequate responses by organisations working in the blind sector should awaken him for not repeating such blunders in future. On 1/21/15, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for replying on closed topic. Don't worry avinash! we need not to wait for his explainations, which we will never get, , although we'll get, it will hopefully illogical only, so what , how can we expect from this kind of so called activest person. Letter is nice. Sorry for showing mistakes, but, it would be better, if this letter will check again, to avoid some small mistakes, before sending it to him. Regards, neelima On 1/17/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually-impaired -funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- God examine those whom loves he the most. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on:
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
The space bar comes very handy when we are typing on the Braille display. We can type in a computer or a mobile with the help of Braille keyboard. When you are typing on a Braille keyboard, you wouldn't want to go to your computer just to press space. Space bar is also used as a modifier key i.e. it can combine with other keys to issue commands. These commands are screen reader specific. An example of a command could be space bar + dot 1 and dot 4 to copy text, as dot 1 and 4 are character c in Braille. Similarly space + dot 1, dot 4 and dot 5, Braille d, is usually a command to report date / time. Best Dinesh Mobile: +91 9718328272 Knowledge is a process of piling up facts; wisdom lies in their simplification. --Martin Fischer -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Neelima Surve Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:43 PM To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille Yes! That is braille note taker. Dinesh Sir, can you please explain the functions of all the keys on braille display? Especially, when we can use space in computer, then, why there is a space bar key on braille display? Sorry if my question seems irrelevant. Regards, Neelima On 1/21/15, Vedprakash vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com wrote: No no, that is different. Its name is something like note taker. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:09 PM To: neelima24su...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille Hi, Those devices are called refreshable Braille displays. I haven't much knowledge about them, but they are very expensive, I think a lakh rupees? I may be absolutely wrong, but thats what I have heard. Search the very recent AI archives for information on the development of a low cost Braille printer as well. Thanks. I hope some other tech savey person having more experience with electronic Braille may be able to throw light on refreshable Braille displays and Braille printers/embossers. On 1/21/15, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Avinash! I didn't say anything about your letter. I said about that letter, which Mr. Ramakrishnan had posted, after closing this thread. Topic is very intresting, so actually it should not closed. Yes! absolutely ! none can reject, at least, those, who had learn braille from their childhood, that, braille is like a paper pencil, but, now-a-days, I am very sad to say that, we get braille books with a bunch of mistakes. It is true, that various NGOs are providing braille books, but, they use a very out dated machines to make it, so, how can students develop their spellings? Dear Ved Prakash Sir, what is the price of that machine? Can you throw some light on it? Please! Regards, Neelima On 1/21/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nilima I didn't send any letter to Mr Abidi because my comments are forwarded to him by others that's enough. His irresponssible comment about Braille and adequate responses by organisations working in the blind sector should awaken him for not repeating such blunders in future. On 1/21/15, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for replying on closed topic. Don't worry avinash! we need not to wait for his explainations, which we will never get, , although we'll get, it will hopefully illogical only, so what , how can we expect from this kind of so called activest person. Letter is nice. Sorry for showing mistakes, but, it would be better, if this letter will check again, to avoid some small mistakes, before sending it to him. Regards, neelima On 1/17/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually -impaired-funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on:
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
I am sorry dear modarator that this topic was actually closed. I regret sending my letter after the topic was closed. I did not note the closure. - Original Message - From: sanjay sanjaylpra...@yahoo.co.in To: neelima24su...@gmail.com; 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility andissues concerning the disabled.' accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired,funds books in Braille I read books printed in 1980's when there were no computerized Braile Presses in India. But they were perfectly proofread and full of error free from cover to cover. I also read some English books printed in US in 1940's and 60-s. They were also perfectly proofread. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Neelima Surve Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:31 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille No. You cannot say like that, I know, many times it happend, that, we get so many increased, or decreased dots on one paper, , when we complain about it to them, they simply say, that, it happends just because of machine, means, printer. Some small magzines are not going for proof,those just come in front of us with a bunch of mistakes. On 1/21/15, Bhavya shah bhavya.shah...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Those devices are called refreshable Braille displays. I haven't much knowledge about them, but they are very expensive, I think a lakh rupees? I may be absolutely wrong, but thats what I have heard. Search the very recent AI archives for information on the development of a low cost Braille printer as well. Thanks. I hope some other tech savey person having more experience with electronic Braille may be able to throw light on refreshable Braille displays and Braille printers/embossers. On 1/21/15, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Avinash! I didn't say anything about your letter. I said about that letter, which Mr. Ramakrishnan had posted, after closing this thread. Topic is very intresting, so actually it should not closed. Yes! absolutely ! none can reject, at least, those, who had learn braille from their childhood, that, braille is like a paper pencil, but, now-a-days, I am very sad to say that, we get braille books with a bunch of mistakes. It is true, that various NGOs are providing braille books, but, they use a very out dated machines to make it, so, how can students develop their spellings? Dear Ved Prakash Sir, what is the price of that machine? Can you throw some light on it? Please! Regards, Neelima On 1/21/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nilima I didn't send any letter to Mr Abidi because my comments are forwarded to him by others that's enough. His irresponssible comment about Braille and adequate responses by organisations working in the blind sector should awaken him for not repeating such blunders in future. On 1/21/15, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for replying on closed topic. Don't worry avinash! we need not to wait for his explainations, which we will never get, , although we'll get, it will hopefully illogical only, so what , how can we expect from this kind of so called activest person. Letter is nice. Sorry for showing mistakes, but, it would be better, if this letter will check again, to avoid some small mistakes, before sending it to him. Regards, neelima On 1/17/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually-impaired -funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
Yes, there are some devices which can display one or two lines at a time. These devices are very handy and also are very easy to use. There are six keys which can be used to key in the text input like we type in brailler. There is no need of papers if such devices can be made available for the school students. They can take notes very easily and without disturbing anybody. I just forgot the name of the device. But the device is very useful for all those who wish to make braille their first choice. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dinesh Kaushal Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 1:04 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille Yes, even I used to believe that one must learn Braille at least during primary school, but many children who are tech savvy are proving that it is not necessary. Adults talking about the need for blind children without knowing their perspective is similar to sighted people talking about the needs of persons with blindness without knowing what they think about it. Similarly, many sighted people who thought that they cannot do without physical books are now switching to kindles and the likes. Sooner or later, all paper books be it Braille or print, are going to be extinct, so we would have to focus on electronic Braille. So if we really want to preserve Braille, then we need to focus on making electronic books readable and affordable with Braille devices rather than printing braille books in paper, because paper books are bulky, expensive(Braille books cost a lot if subsidy is considered), and making 50 lakhs books available in Braille seems impossible even for the richest countries in the world. On another note, printing Braille books is also environmentally detrimental. My main problem with such announcements is that mainstream media does not realize that there is something known as assistive technology, so for anyone who wants to be seen doing good work for the blind is compelled to use Braille as a symbolic gesture. Imagine a debate in the government office about whether to work on electronic books or on Braille books. Best Dinesh Mobile: +91 9718328272 Knowledge is a process of piling up facts; wisdom lies in their simplification. --Martin Fischer -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of vivek doddamani Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 11:23 AM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille The importance of braille for visually impaired persons is just like printed letters for sighted persons, for visually impaire children while starting school the braille is must without braille knowledge one cannot improve the language thoroughly to know the spelling of any word braille is must though computer is there if you read by computers or dezi readers but reading by braille willbe efficient will be in memory for long time. On 1/20/15, sachu ramalingam sachuramalinga...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, I completely agree that Mr. Abedi ought to tender an unequivocal public apology to the visually impaired community. It is aso equally important for the pionner to apologise for publishing a statement from a person who has nothing what so ever with the Braille or visual impairment. Are there derth of people in new delhi from whom opinion could have been taken. Regards Sachu Ramalingam On 19 Jan 2015 18:28, Radio Udaan radioud...@gmail.com wrote: dear all, on behalf of radio udaan we also strongly condemn this statements of Javed Abidi. On 1/19/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I've forwarded the mail to Mr Abidi Dear Javed Abidi please see the conversation/thread and it would be great if you justify your claim or offer an apology to the blind community. On 1/19/15, AICB aicbdelhi.110...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, On behalf of All India Confederation of the Blind, we condemn in the strongest of expressions, the statement quoted to have been made by Mr. Javed Abidi about the relevance of Braille in the context of Government's initiatives to modernize Braille presses in the country. The discussion in reference to this statement, so far, has largely focused on justifying the relative merits of Braille in relation to other technologies. To us however, apart from what has been said by others supporting Braille, the issues underlying this discourse are much deeper than that. While we can debate the relative merits of a particular format of accessibility in reference to other applicable formats used by the visually impaired, the right to enter into a discussion of this nature, in our view,
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
Hi, Those devices are called refreshable Braille displays. I haven't much knowledge about them, but they are very expensive, I think a lakh rupees? I may be absolutely wrong, but thats what I have heard. Search the very recent AI archives for information on the development of a low cost Braille printer as well. Thanks. I hope some other tech savey person having more experience with electronic Braille may be able to throw light on refreshable Braille displays and Braille printers/embossers. On 1/21/15, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Avinash! I didn't say anything about your letter. I said about that letter, which Mr. Ramakrishnan had posted, after closing this thread. Topic is very intresting, so actually it should not closed. Yes! absolutely ! none can reject, at least, those, who had learn braille from their childhood, that, braille is like a paper pencil, but, now-a-days, I am very sad to say that, we get braille books with a bunch of mistakes. It is true, that various NGOs are providing braille books, but, they use a very out dated machines to make it, so, how can students develop their spellings? Dear Ved Prakash Sir, what is the price of that machine? Can you throw some light on it? Please! Regards, Neelima On 1/21/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nilima I didn't send any letter to Mr Abidi because my comments are forwarded to him by others that's enough. His irresponssible comment about Braille and adequate responses by organisations working in the blind sector should awaken him for not repeating such blunders in future. On 1/21/15, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for replying on closed topic. Don't worry avinash! we need not to wait for his explainations, which we will never get, , although we'll get, it will hopefully illogical only, so what , how can we expect from this kind of so called activest person. Letter is nice. Sorry for showing mistakes, but, it would be better, if this letter will check again, to avoid some small mistakes, before sending it to him. Regards, neelima On 1/17/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually-impaired-funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- God examine those whom loves he the most. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old
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No no, that is different. Its name is something like note taker. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:09 PM To: neelima24su...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille Hi, Those devices are called refreshable Braille displays. I haven't much knowledge about them, but they are very expensive, I think a lakh rupees? I may be absolutely wrong, but thats what I have heard. Search the very recent AI archives for information on the development of a low cost Braille printer as well. Thanks. I hope some other tech savey person having more experience with electronic Braille may be able to throw light on refreshable Braille displays and Braille printers/embossers. On 1/21/15, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Avinash! I didn't say anything about your letter. I said about that letter, which Mr. Ramakrishnan had posted, after closing this thread. Topic is very intresting, so actually it should not closed. Yes! absolutely ! none can reject, at least, those, who had learn braille from their childhood, that, braille is like a paper pencil, but, now-a-days, I am very sad to say that, we get braille books with a bunch of mistakes. It is true, that various NGOs are providing braille books, but, they use a very out dated machines to make it, so, how can students develop their spellings? Dear Ved Prakash Sir, what is the price of that machine? Can you throw some light on it? Please! Regards, Neelima On 1/21/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nilima I didn't send any letter to Mr Abidi because my comments are forwarded to him by others that's enough. His irresponssible comment about Braille and adequate responses by organisations working in the blind sector should awaken him for not repeating such blunders in future. On 1/21/15, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for replying on closed topic. Don't worry avinash! we need not to wait for his explainations, which we will never get, , although we'll get, it will hopefully illogical only, so what , how can we expect from this kind of so called activest person. Letter is nice. Sorry for showing mistakes, but, it would be better, if this letter will check again, to avoid some small mistakes, before sending it to him. Regards, neelima On 1/17/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually -impaired-funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_ accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia. org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- God examine those whom loves he the most. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
Hi Avinash! I didn't say anything about your letter. I said about that letter, which Mr. Ramakrishnan had posted, after closing this thread. Topic is very intresting, so actually it should not closed. Yes! absolutely ! none can reject, at least, those, who had learn braille from their childhood, that, braille is like a paper pencil, but, now-a-days, I am very sad to say that, we get braille books with a bunch of mistakes. It is true, that various NGOs are providing braille books, but, they use a very out dated machines to make it, so, how can students develop their spellings? Dear Ved Prakash Sir, what is the price of that machine? Can you throw some light on it? Please! Regards, Neelima On 1/21/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nilima I didn't send any letter to Mr Abidi because my comments are forwarded to him by others that's enough. His irresponssible comment about Braille and adequate responses by organisations working in the blind sector should awaken him for not repeating such blunders in future. On 1/21/15, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for replying on closed topic. Don't worry avinash! we need not to wait for his explainations, which we will never get, , although we'll get, it will hopefully illogical only, so what , how can we expect from this kind of so called activest person. Letter is nice. Sorry for showing mistakes, but, it would be better, if this letter will check again, to avoid some small mistakes, before sending it to him. Regards, neelima On 1/17/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually-impaired-funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- God examine those whom loves he the most. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
No. there are not using outdated machines, but the books are not well proofread. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Neelima Surve Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:01 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille Hi Avinash! I didn't say anything about your letter. I said about that letter, which Mr. Ramakrishnan had posted, after closing this thread. Topic is very intresting, so actually it should not closed. Yes! absolutely ! none can reject, at least, those, who had learn braille from their childhood, that, braille is like a paper pencil, but, now-a-days, I am very sad to say that, we get braille books with a bunch of mistakes. It is true, that various NGOs are providing braille books, but, they use a very out dated machines to make it, so, how can students develop their spellings? Dear Ved Prakash Sir, what is the price of that machine? Can you throw some light on it? Please! Regards, Neelima On 1/21/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nilima I didn't send any letter to Mr Abidi because my comments are forwarded to him by others that's enough. His irresponssible comment about Braille and adequate responses by organisations working in the blind sector should awaken him for not repeating such blunders in future. On 1/21/15, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for replying on closed topic. Don't worry avinash! we need not to wait for his explainations, which we will never get, , although we'll get, it will hopefully illogical only, so what , how can we expect from this kind of so called activest person. Letter is nice. Sorry for showing mistakes, but, it would be better, if this letter will check again, to avoid some small mistakes, before sending it to him. Regards, neelima On 1/17/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually-impaired -funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- God examine those whom loves he the most. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
No. You cannot say like that, I know, many times it happend, that, we get so many increased, or decreased dots on one paper, , when we complain about it to them, they simply say, that, it happends just because of machine, means, printer. Some small magzines are not going for proof,those just come in front of us with a bunch of mistakes. On 1/21/15, Bhavya shah bhavya.shah...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Those devices are called refreshable Braille displays. I haven't much knowledge about them, but they are very expensive, I think a lakh rupees? I may be absolutely wrong, but thats what I have heard. Search the very recent AI archives for information on the development of a low cost Braille printer as well. Thanks. I hope some other tech savey person having more experience with electronic Braille may be able to throw light on refreshable Braille displays and Braille printers/embossers. On 1/21/15, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Avinash! I didn't say anything about your letter. I said about that letter, which Mr. Ramakrishnan had posted, after closing this thread. Topic is very intresting, so actually it should not closed. Yes! absolutely ! none can reject, at least, those, who had learn braille from their childhood, that, braille is like a paper pencil, but, now-a-days, I am very sad to say that, we get braille books with a bunch of mistakes. It is true, that various NGOs are providing braille books, but, they use a very out dated machines to make it, so, how can students develop their spellings? Dear Ved Prakash Sir, what is the price of that machine? Can you throw some light on it? Please! Regards, Neelima On 1/21/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nilima I didn't send any letter to Mr Abidi because my comments are forwarded to him by others that's enough. His irresponssible comment about Braille and adequate responses by organisations working in the blind sector should awaken him for not repeating such blunders in future. On 1/21/15, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for replying on closed topic. Don't worry avinash! we need not to wait for his explainations, which we will never get, , although we'll get, it will hopefully illogical only, so what , how can we expect from this kind of so called activest person. Letter is nice. Sorry for showing mistakes, but, it would be better, if this letter will check again, to avoid some small mistakes, before sending it to him. Regards, neelima On 1/17/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually-impaired-funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- God examine those whom loves he the most. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
All I don't think, he is presently on the list. Therefore, you will have to write to him directly. Let us close this thread for now. Harish Kotian -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Aarthi Burthony Sent: 20 January 2015 12:40 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Cc: mervynanthony; ldlmufa Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille On 1/20/15, Poonam poonam...@gmail.com wrote: I entirely agree with ms. sachu ramalingam. On 1/20/15, sachu ramalingam sachuramalinga...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, I completely agree that Mr. Abedi ought to tender an unequivocal public apology to the visually impaired community. It is aso equally important for the pionner to apologise for publishing a statement from a person who has nothing what so ever with the Braille or visual impairment. Are there derth of people in new delhi from whom opinion could have been taken. Regards Sachu Ramalingam On 19 Jan 2015 18:28, Radio Udaan radioud...@gmail.com wrote: dear all, on behalf of radio udaan we also strongly condemn this statements of Javed Abidi. On 1/19/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I've forwarded the mail to Mr Abidi Dear Javed Abidi please see the conversation/thread and it would be great if you justify your claim or offer an apology to the blind community. On 1/19/15, AICB aicbdelhi.110...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, On behalf of All India Confederation of the Blind, we condemn in the strongest of expressions, the statement quoted to have been made by Mr. Javed Abidi about the relevance of Braille in the context of Government's initiatives to modernize Braille presses in the country. The discussion in reference to this statement, so far, has largely focused on justifying the relative merits of Braille in relation to other technologies. To us however, apart from what has been said by others supporting Braille, the issues underlying this discourse are much deeper than that. While we can debate the relative merits of a particular format of accessibility in reference to other applicable formats used by the visually impaired, the right to enter into a discussion of this nature, in our view, rests solely with the visually impaired. A person such as Mr. Javed Abidi, who has never used/read even a single Braille book in his entire life, does not have the right to speak on this issue. Therefore, rather than justifying the relevance of Braille (which is a firmly established truth in the visual impairment sector), we consider it imperative to take strong objection to a person, having no knowledge of visual impairment sector, meddling into our affairs. It may be noted here that AICB has the capacity of printing more than 4 Braille pages per day, but even this proves insufficient and our Braille press has to often work in multiple shifts. Similar situation may exist in the case of other Braille presses as well. It is a well-known fact that the demand for Braille books is much more than the present facilities and infrastructure can claim to meet. If such facts, along with all that has so far been said supporting Braille, are not enough to make Mr. Abidi realize the ground situation with respect to Braille, then we can only feel sad at his ignorance despite claiming to be in the sector for so many years. It is unfortunate that Mr. Abidi often speaks out of turn and on issues about which he appears to have only little or no knowledge. The present instance is one such example, though by no means the only one. Some people are so keen to issue public statements and read their names in print (as appears to be the present case) that they do not care for the accuracy of their statement, nor do they bother about the sensitivity of others. By issuing the most deplorable statement in reference, Mr. Javed Abidi has not only hurt the sentiments and interests of the blind, he has also once again proved that he has no right to speak on behalf of the blind and represent them in any matter and on any forum whatsoever. AICB, like many other self-help organizations of the blind, has always believed in the philosophy of nothing about us without us. Therefore, any attempt to speak on our behalf by those who do not belong to us, such as Mr. Javed Abidi, must be strongly resisted and repelled in the present and at all times to come. Even the UNCRPD (which Mr. Abidi claims to champion by conducting workshops) advocates the voicesof persons of applicable disabilities in formulations and decision-making. His present statement clearly proves that Mr. Abidi has violated this fundamental principle of UNCRPD also. While Mr. Abidi owes the visual impairment sector a public apology in the very
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
I am posting the letter written to Mr. Javed Abidi on the issue relating to Braille. Shri Javed Abidi Director National Centre for Promotion of Employment for Disabled People (NCPEDP) in India A -77, South Extension Part II New Delhi - 110 049 Dear Shri Abidi, I am indeed surprised to see the comments you have made about the Braille technology for the Blind in the Pionner news paper. Since NAB [India] has a large capacity for Braille production, I am certainly competent to comment on your observations regarding Braille technology. Late Sir Louis Braille through the Braille Code established the link between our visually challenged persons and information world, which you are aware of. Till date, no substitute technology has ever been developed by anyone establishing such a link, particularly for visually impaired children. Shri Abidi, can anyone learn a language during school education purely from audio? Can anyone learn spelling, grammer and punctuation marks as also do composition, comprehension, prec--writing etc? You will agree that Baille is needed for the Blind Child to learn language that is why AICB, NAB [India] and NFB aggressively promote the use of Braille, particularly in school education. Any Indian languages in Braille is absolutely necessary for understanding word formats and structures, which you will appreciate. Yes, it may be true that Baille books could be bulky in case they are not divided into manageable pages. Shri Abidi we do this. We recognize that the page of normal print will occupy two and a half page of Braille print and that is why we divide the books into manageable pages to promot ease of use and carrying. Since all the reference books cannot be converted into Braille having regard to embossing capacity and cost efficiency, audio is required in higher education. So we state with all conviction that Braille is irreplaceable for the Blind. Further audio requires a computer terminal and the inconvenience of using a earphone while using screen reader. So a responsible person like you should have noted these things and should not have communicated merely that Braille books are bigger and ungainly to carry. However, how did you get the impression and what basis you made a statement that the technology is outdated. The method of Braille embossing might have changed but the technology has not become outdated. This is true for all Industries where production methods changed and the technology gets innovated and improved. There has been lot of improvements in Braille technologies and I request you to please take note of these. So your statement that Braille technology is outdated is completely wrong. I therefore request you to tender an apology in the print media for hurting the sentiments of those who are working in the welfare field of the visually challenged and eschew from making such unfounded statements in future without proper study and discussion. You, not being a Braille user should avoid making statements against Braille. I also seriously condemn the Pionner for publishing the article on Braille technology which is highly irresponsible, condemnable and baseless. The paper should have checked out the facts before publishing anything against Braille technology. We also take this oppolrtunity to thank the Government of India and our Hon'ble Finance Minster for announcing funding support to setting up of new Braille Presses in State and Union Territories where such capacity is not available, modernization of Braille Presses and capacity augmentation for Braille production. Regards, Yours sincerely, K. RAMKRISHNA HON. SECRETARY GENERAL NAB [INDIA] C.C. : Shri J. L Kaul Shri Santosh Rungta - Original Message - From: sachu ramalingam sachuramalinga...@gmail.com To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired,funds books in Braille Dear All, I completely agree that Mr. Abedi ought to tender an unequivocal public apology to the visually impaired community. It is aso equally important for the pionner to apologise for publishing a statement from a person who has nothing what so ever with the Braille or visual impairment. Are there derth of people in new delhi from whom opinion could have been taken. Regards Sachu Ramalingam On 19 Jan 2015 18:28, Radio Udaan radioud...@gmail.com wrote: dear all, on behalf of radio udaan we also strongly condemn this statements of Javed Abidi. On 1/19/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I've forwarded the mail to Mr Abidi Dear Javed Abidi please see the conversation/thread and it would be great if you justify your claim or offer an apology to the blind community. On 1/19/15, AICB aicbdelhi.110...@gmail.com wrote: Dear
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
Sorry for replying on closed topic. Don't worry avinash! we need not to wait for his explainations, which we will never get, , although we'll get, it will hopefully illogical only, so what , how can we expect from this kind of so called activest person. Letter is nice. Sorry for showing mistakes, but, it would be better, if this letter will check again, to avoid some small mistakes, before sending it to him. Regards, neelima On 1/17/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually-impaired-funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- God examine those whom loves he the most. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
Hi Nilima I didn't send any letter to Mr Abidi because my comments are forwarded to him by others that's enough. His irresponssible comment about Braille and adequate responses by organisations working in the blind sector should awaken him for not repeating such blunders in future. On 1/21/15, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for replying on closed topic. Don't worry avinash! we need not to wait for his explainations, which we will never get, , although we'll get, it will hopefully illogical only, so what , how can we expect from this kind of so called activest person. Letter is nice. Sorry for showing mistakes, but, it would be better, if this letter will check again, to avoid some small mistakes, before sending it to him. Regards, neelima On 1/17/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually-impaired-funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- God examine those whom loves he the most. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
Dear Ram, Thanks. this is a good job as a head of the big organization of the blind. With warm regards, Praful Vyas, Hon. Secretary, Andhjan Kalyan Trust, Amba wadi, Junagadh road, Dhoraji 360410, District Rajkot, Gujarat, India. Phone : +912824223502 Mobile : +919428261878 E-mail : aktrust@gmail.com prafulnv...@gmail.com Web site : http://www.aktrust.org - Original Message - From: ram contact.ramkris...@gmail.com To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning thedisabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired,funds books in Braille I am posting the letter written to Mr. Javed Abidi on the issue relating to Braille. Shri Javed Abidi Director National Centre for Promotion of Employment for Disabled People (NCPEDP) in India A -77, South Extension Part II New Delhi - 110 049 Dear Shri Abidi, I am indeed surprised to see the comments you have made about the Braille technology for the Blind in the Pionner news paper. Since NAB [India] has a large capacity for Braille production, I am certainly competent to comment on your observations regarding Braille technology. Late Sir Louis Braille through the Braille Code established the link between our visually challenged persons and information world, which you are aware of. Till date, no substitute technology has ever been developed by anyone establishing such a link, particularly for visually impaired children. Shri Abidi, can anyone learn a language during school education purely from audio? Can anyone learn spelling, grammer and punctuation marks as also do composition, comprehension, prec--writing etc? You will agree that Baille is needed for the Blind Child to learn language that is why AICB, NAB [India] and NFB aggressively promote the use of Braille, particularly in school education. Any Indian languages in Braille is absolutely necessary for understanding word formats and structures, which you will appreciate. Yes, it may be true that Baille books could be bulky in case they are not divided into manageable pages. Shri Abidi we do this. We recognize that the page of normal print will occupy two and a half page of Braille print and that is why we divide the books into manageable pages to promot ease of use and carrying. Since all the reference books cannot be converted into Braille having regard to embossing capacity and cost efficiency, audio is required in higher education. So we state with all conviction that Braille is irreplaceable for the Blind. Further audio requires a computer terminal and the inconvenience of using a earphone while using screen reader. So a responsible person like you should have noted these things and should not have communicated merely that Braille books are bigger and ungainly to carry. However, how did you get the impression and what basis you made a statement that the technology is outdated. The method of Braille embossing might have changed but the technology has not become outdated. This is true for all Industries where production methods changed and the technology gets innovated and improved. There has been lot of improvements in Braille technologies and I request you to please take note of these. So your statement that Braille technology is outdated is completely wrong. I therefore request you to tender an apology in the print media for hurting the sentiments of those who are working in the welfare field of the visually challenged and eschew from making such unfounded statements in future without proper study and discussion. You, not being a Braille user should avoid making statements against Braille. I also seriously condemn the Pionner for publishing the article on Braille technology which is highly irresponsible, condemnable and baseless. The paper should have checked out the facts before publishing anything against Braille technology. We also take this oppolrtunity to thank the Government of India and our Hon'ble Finance Minster for announcing funding support to setting up of new Braille Presses in State and Union Territories where such capacity is not available, modernization of Braille Presses and capacity augmentation for Braille production. Regards, Yours sincerely, K. RAMKRISHNA HON. SECRETARY GENERAL NAB [INDIA] C.C. : Shri J. L Kaul Shri Santosh Rungta - Original Message - From: sachu ramalingam sachuramalinga...@gmail.com To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired,funds books in Braille Dear All, I completely agree that Mr. Abedi ought to tender an unequivocal public apology to the visually impaired community. It is aso equally important for the pionner to
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
Our friends have forwarded the thread discussion to Mr. Abidi. Our NGO friends have written to him asking for a public apology. AICB has written to the newspaper to refrain from posting such comments in future. But what if none of these yields any result? What about the impression created amongst the readers by Mr. Abidi's comments? Do they read Access India? I think someone from our community, preferably a NGO, should see that our point of view about the actual usefulness of Braille gets published in the same newspaper. This is with the assumption that at least some of the readers of that article would read this as well and, hopefully, change their perception about Braille. I'm writing in a closed thread because I believe I had some value contribution to it instead of a mere advocacy for Braille which has already been done adequately by other friends. On 1/21/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nilima I didn't send any letter to Mr Abidi because my comments are forwarded to him by others that's enough. His irresponssible comment about Braille and adequate responses by organisations working in the blind sector should awaken him for not repeating such blunders in future. On 1/21/15, Neelima Surve neelima.a...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for replying on closed topic. Don't worry avinash! we need not to wait for his explainations, which we will never get, , although we'll get, it will hopefully illogical only, so what , how can we expect from this kind of so called activest person. Letter is nice. Sorry for showing mistakes, but, it would be better, if this letter will check again, to avoid some small mistakes, before sending it to him. Regards, neelima On 1/17/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually-impaired-funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- God examine those whom loves he the most. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
Yes, even I used to believe that one must learn Braille at least during primary school, but many children who are tech savvy are proving that it is not necessary. Adults talking about the need for blind children without knowing their perspective is similar to sighted people talking about the needs of persons with blindness without knowing what they think about it. Similarly, many sighted people who thought that they cannot do without physical books are now switching to kindles and the likes. Sooner or later, all paper books be it Braille or print, are going to be extinct, so we would have to focus on electronic Braille. So if we really want to preserve Braille, then we need to focus on making electronic books readable and affordable with Braille devices rather than printing braille books in paper, because paper books are bulky, expensive(Braille books cost a lot if subsidy is considered), and making 50 lakhs books available in Braille seems impossible even for the richest countries in the world. On another note, printing Braille books is also environmentally detrimental. My main problem with such announcements is that mainstream media does not realize that there is something known as assistive technology, so for anyone who wants to be seen doing good work for the blind is compelled to use Braille as a symbolic gesture. Imagine a debate in the government office about whether to work on electronic books or on Braille books. Best Dinesh Mobile: +91 9718328272 Knowledge is a process of piling up facts; wisdom lies in their simplification. --Martin Fischer -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of vivek doddamani Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 11:23 AM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille The importance of braille for visually impaired persons is just like printed letters for sighted persons, for visually impaire children while starting school the braille is must without braille knowledge one cannot improve the language thoroughly to know the spelling of any word braille is must though computer is there if you read by computers or dezi readers but reading by braille willbe efficient will be in memory for long time. On 1/20/15, sachu ramalingam sachuramalinga...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, I completely agree that Mr. Abedi ought to tender an unequivocal public apology to the visually impaired community. It is aso equally important for the pionner to apologise for publishing a statement from a person who has nothing what so ever with the Braille or visual impairment. Are there derth of people in new delhi from whom opinion could have been taken. Regards Sachu Ramalingam On 19 Jan 2015 18:28, Radio Udaan radioud...@gmail.com wrote: dear all, on behalf of radio udaan we also strongly condemn this statements of Javed Abidi. On 1/19/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I've forwarded the mail to Mr Abidi Dear Javed Abidi please see the conversation/thread and it would be great if you justify your claim or offer an apology to the blind community. On 1/19/15, AICB aicbdelhi.110...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, On behalf of All India Confederation of the Blind, we condemn in the strongest of expressions, the statement quoted to have been made by Mr. Javed Abidi about the relevance of Braille in the context of Government's initiatives to modernize Braille presses in the country. The discussion in reference to this statement, so far, has largely focused on justifying the relative merits of Braille in relation to other technologies. To us however, apart from what has been said by others supporting Braille, the issues underlying this discourse are much deeper than that. While we can debate the relative merits of a particular format of accessibility in reference to other applicable formats used by the visually impaired, the right to enter into a discussion of this nature, in our view, rests solely with the visually impaired. A person such as Mr. Javed Abidi, who has never used/read even a single Braille book in his entire life, does not have the right to speak on this issue. Therefore, rather than justifying the relevance of Braille (which is a firmly established truth in the visual impairment sector), we consider it imperative to take strong objection to a person, having no knowledge of visual impairment sector, meddling into our affairs. It may be noted here that AICB has the capacity of printing more than 4 Braille pages per day, but even this proves insufficient and our Braille press has to often work in multiple shifts. Similar situation may exist in the case of other Braille presses as well. It is a well-known fact that the demand for Braille books is much more than the
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
Hi, friends, let me theorised the aBidi statement about braille. according disability studies, disabled people are treated as less capable and weaker section in the society. after the progress of medical standard the disabled people are defined as deficit and holder of imperfect body and the establishment of industry defined them as unproductive and disabled people. this treand to treat less capable is continue in within disability sectore as well. as Dr, Abidi made his statement that braille books are not carriable and feasible is clear and alive example of that. here the blind people can make several derogatory remark and some they can prove it but they understand that this type of comments are inhuman and against the disability ethics. thus, there is forceful argument to blind community is a sensible and leading community community in the world. as Jagdish Chandra wrote that the indian disability movement is all about blind movement. finally what I would like to say that Abidi does not know the disability ethics, disability awareness and disability promotion. he is a backbencher and spoon of some officers and that will remain in future. secondly, Abidi and tht news paper must apolosized for falls, misleading and anti-sentimental statement. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
The importance of braille for visually impaired persons is just like printed letters for sighted persons, for visually impaire children while starting school the braille is must without braille knowledge one cannot improve the language thoroughly to know the spelling of any word braille is must though computer is there if you read by computers or dezi readers but reading by braille willbe efficient will be in memory for long time. On 1/20/15, sachu ramalingam sachuramalinga...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, I completely agree that Mr. Abedi ought to tender an unequivocal public apology to the visually impaired community. It is aso equally important for the pionner to apologise for publishing a statement from a person who has nothing what so ever with the Braille or visual impairment. Are there derth of people in new delhi from whom opinion could have been taken. Regards Sachu Ramalingam On 19 Jan 2015 18:28, Radio Udaan radioud...@gmail.com wrote: dear all, on behalf of radio udaan we also strongly condemn this statements of Javed Abidi. On 1/19/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I've forwarded the mail to Mr Abidi Dear Javed Abidi please see the conversation/thread and it would be great if you justify your claim or offer an apology to the blind community. On 1/19/15, AICB aicbdelhi.110...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, On behalf of All India Confederation of the Blind, we condemn in the strongest of expressions, the statement quoted to have been made by Mr. Javed Abidi about the relevance of Braille in the context of Government's initiatives to modernize Braille presses in the country. The discussion in reference to this statement, so far, has largely focused on justifying the relative merits of Braille in relation to other technologies. To us however, apart from what has been said by others supporting Braille, the issues underlying this discourse are much deeper than that. While we can debate the relative merits of a particular format of accessibility in reference to other applicable formats used by the visually impaired, the right to enter into a discussion of this nature, in our view, rests solely with the visually impaired. A person such as Mr. Javed Abidi, who has never used/read even a single Braille book in his entire life, does not have the right to speak on this issue. Therefore, rather than justifying the relevance of Braille (which is a firmly established truth in the visual impairment sector), we consider it imperative to take strong objection to a person, having no knowledge of visual impairment sector, meddling into our affairs. It may be noted here that AICB has the capacity of printing more than 4 Braille pages per day, but even this proves insufficient and our Braille press has to often work in multiple shifts. Similar situation may exist in the case of other Braille presses as well. It is a well-known fact that the demand for Braille books is much more than the present facilities and infrastructure can claim to meet. If such facts, along with all that has so far been said supporting Braille, are not enough to make Mr. Abidi realize the ground situation with respect to Braille, then we can only feel sad at his ignorance despite claiming to be in the sector for so many years. It is unfortunate that Mr. Abidi often speaks out of turn and on issues about which he appears to have only little or no knowledge. The present instance is one such example, though by no means the only one. Some people are so keen to issue public statements and read their names in print (as appears to be the present case) that they do not care for the accuracy of their statement, nor do they bother about the sensitivity of others. By issuing the most deplorable statement in reference, Mr. Javed Abidi has not only hurt the sentiments and interests of the blind, he has also once again proved that he has no right to speak on behalf of the blind and represent them in any matter and on any forum whatsoever. AICB, like many other self-help organizations of the blind, has always believed in the philosophy of nothing about us without us. Therefore, any attempt to speak on our behalf by those who do not belong to us, such as Mr. Javed Abidi, must be strongly resisted and repelled in the present and at all times to come. Even the UNCRPD (which Mr. Abidi claims to champion by conducting workshops) advocates the voicesof persons of applicable disabilities in formulations and decision-making. His present statement clearly proves that Mr. Abidi has violated this fundamental principle of UNCRPD also. While Mr. Abidi owes the visual impairment sector a public apology in the very newspaper which published his statement, the newspaper must also ensure that comments on issues concerning the blind must be sought from those to whom the issues directly
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
On 1/20/15, Poonam poonam...@gmail.com wrote: I entirely agree with ms. sachu ramalingam. On 1/20/15, sachu ramalingam sachuramalinga...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, I completely agree that Mr. Abedi ought to tender an unequivocal public apology to the visually impaired community. It is aso equally important for the pionner to apologise for publishing a statement from a person who has nothing what so ever with the Braille or visual impairment. Are there derth of people in new delhi from whom opinion could have been taken. Regards Sachu Ramalingam On 19 Jan 2015 18:28, Radio Udaan radioud...@gmail.com wrote: dear all, on behalf of radio udaan we also strongly condemn this statements of Javed Abidi. On 1/19/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I've forwarded the mail to Mr Abidi Dear Javed Abidi please see the conversation/thread and it would be great if you justify your claim or offer an apology to the blind community. On 1/19/15, AICB aicbdelhi.110...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, On behalf of All India Confederation of the Blind, we condemn in the strongest of expressions, the statement quoted to have been made by Mr. Javed Abidi about the relevance of Braille in the context of Government's initiatives to modernize Braille presses in the country. The discussion in reference to this statement, so far, has largely focused on justifying the relative merits of Braille in relation to other technologies. To us however, apart from what has been said by others supporting Braille, the issues underlying this discourse are much deeper than that. While we can debate the relative merits of a particular format of accessibility in reference to other applicable formats used by the visually impaired, the right to enter into a discussion of this nature, in our view, rests solely with the visually impaired. A person such as Mr. Javed Abidi, who has never used/read even a single Braille book in his entire life, does not have the right to speak on this issue. Therefore, rather than justifying the relevance of Braille (which is a firmly established truth in the visual impairment sector), we consider it imperative to take strong objection to a person, having no knowledge of visual impairment sector, meddling into our affairs. It may be noted here that AICB has the capacity of printing more than 4 Braille pages per day, but even this proves insufficient and our Braille press has to often work in multiple shifts. Similar situation may exist in the case of other Braille presses as well. It is a well-known fact that the demand for Braille books is much more than the present facilities and infrastructure can claim to meet. If such facts, along with all that has so far been said supporting Braille, are not enough to make Mr. Abidi realize the ground situation with respect to Braille, then we can only feel sad at his ignorance despite claiming to be in the sector for so many years. It is unfortunate that Mr. Abidi often speaks out of turn and on issues about which he appears to have only little or no knowledge. The present instance is one such example, though by no means the only one. Some people are so keen to issue public statements and read their names in print (as appears to be the present case) that they do not care for the accuracy of their statement, nor do they bother about the sensitivity of others. By issuing the most deplorable statement in reference, Mr. Javed Abidi has not only hurt the sentiments and interests of the blind, he has also once again proved that he has no right to speak on behalf of the blind and represent them in any matter and on any forum whatsoever. AICB, like many other self-help organizations of the blind, has always believed in the philosophy of nothing about us without us. Therefore, any attempt to speak on our behalf by those who do not belong to us, such as Mr. Javed Abidi, must be strongly resisted and repelled in the present and at all times to come. Even the UNCRPD (which Mr. Abidi claims to champion by conducting workshops) advocates the voicesof persons of applicable disabilities in formulations and decision-making. His present statement clearly proves that Mr. Abidi has violated this fundamental principle of UNCRPD also. While Mr. Abidi owes the visual impairment sector a public apology in the very newspaper which published his statement, the newspaper must also ensure that comments on issues concerning the blind must be sought from those to whom the issues directly concern and not from the self-styled disability activists. AICB has already written to the 'Pioneer' newspaper about this matter. We are also writing a strong letter of protest to Mr. Abidi's organization demanding a public apology. Please join us in the interests of the blind. Dr. Anil K.
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
Dear All, I completely agree that Mr. Abedi ought to tender an unequivocal public apology to the visually impaired community. It is aso equally important for the pionner to apologise for publishing a statement from a person who has nothing what so ever with the Braille or visual impairment. Are there derth of people in new delhi from whom opinion could have been taken. Regards Sachu Ramalingam On 19 Jan 2015 18:28, Radio Udaan radioud...@gmail.com wrote: dear all, on behalf of radio udaan we also strongly condemn this statements of Javed Abidi. On 1/19/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I've forwarded the mail to Mr Abidi Dear Javed Abidi please see the conversation/thread and it would be great if you justify your claim or offer an apology to the blind community. On 1/19/15, AICB aicbdelhi.110...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, On behalf of All India Confederation of the Blind, we condemn in the strongest of expressions, the statement quoted to have been made by Mr. Javed Abidi about the relevance of Braille in the context of Government's initiatives to modernize Braille presses in the country. The discussion in reference to this statement, so far, has largely focused on justifying the relative merits of Braille in relation to other technologies. To us however, apart from what has been said by others supporting Braille, the issues underlying this discourse are much deeper than that. While we can debate the relative merits of a particular format of accessibility in reference to other applicable formats used by the visually impaired, the right to enter into a discussion of this nature, in our view, rests solely with the visually impaired. A person such as Mr. Javed Abidi, who has never used/read even a single Braille book in his entire life, does not have the right to speak on this issue. Therefore, rather than justifying the relevance of Braille (which is a firmly established truth in the visual impairment sector), we consider it imperative to take strong objection to a person, having no knowledge of visual impairment sector, meddling into our affairs. It may be noted here that AICB has the capacity of printing more than 4 Braille pages per day, but even this proves insufficient and our Braille press has to often work in multiple shifts. Similar situation may exist in the case of other Braille presses as well. It is a well-known fact that the demand for Braille books is much more than the present facilities and infrastructure can claim to meet. If such facts, along with all that has so far been said supporting Braille, are not enough to make Mr. Abidi realize the ground situation with respect to Braille, then we can only feel sad at his ignorance despite claiming to be in the sector for so many years. It is unfortunate that Mr. Abidi often speaks out of turn and on issues about which he appears to have only little or no knowledge. The present instance is one such example, though by no means the only one. Some people are so keen to issue public statements and read their names in print (as appears to be the present case) that they do not care for the accuracy of their statement, nor do they bother about the sensitivity of others. By issuing the most deplorable statement in reference, Mr. Javed Abidi has not only hurt the sentiments and interests of the blind, he has also once again proved that he has no right to speak on behalf of the blind and represent them in any matter and on any forum whatsoever. AICB, like many other self-help organizations of the blind, has always believed in the philosophy of nothing about us without us. Therefore, any attempt to speak on our behalf by those who do not belong to us, such as Mr. Javed Abidi, must be strongly resisted and repelled in the present and at all times to come. Even the UNCRPD (which Mr. Abidi claims to champion by conducting workshops) advocates the voicesof persons of applicable disabilities in formulations and decision-making. His present statement clearly proves that Mr. Abidi has violated this fundamental principle of UNCRPD also. While Mr. Abidi owes the visual impairment sector a public apology in the very newspaper which published his statement, the newspaper must also ensure that comments on issues concerning the blind must be sought from those to whom the issues directly concern and not from the self-styled disability activists. AICB has already written to the 'Pioneer' newspaper about this matter. We are also writing a strong letter of protest to Mr. Abidi's organization demanding a public apology. Please join us in the interests of the blind. Dr. Anil K. Aneja. Vice President, All India Confederation of the Blind On 1/17/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming
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I entirely agree with ms. sachu ramalingam. On 1/20/15, sachu ramalingam sachuramalinga...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, I completely agree that Mr. Abedi ought to tender an unequivocal public apology to the visually impaired community. It is aso equally important for the pionner to apologise for publishing a statement from a person who has nothing what so ever with the Braille or visual impairment. Are there derth of people in new delhi from whom opinion could have been taken. Regards Sachu Ramalingam On 19 Jan 2015 18:28, Radio Udaan radioud...@gmail.com wrote: dear all, on behalf of radio udaan we also strongly condemn this statements of Javed Abidi. On 1/19/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I've forwarded the mail to Mr Abidi Dear Javed Abidi please see the conversation/thread and it would be great if you justify your claim or offer an apology to the blind community. On 1/19/15, AICB aicbdelhi.110...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, On behalf of All India Confederation of the Blind, we condemn in the strongest of expressions, the statement quoted to have been made by Mr. Javed Abidi about the relevance of Braille in the context of Government's initiatives to modernize Braille presses in the country. The discussion in reference to this statement, so far, has largely focused on justifying the relative merits of Braille in relation to other technologies. To us however, apart from what has been said by others supporting Braille, the issues underlying this discourse are much deeper than that. While we can debate the relative merits of a particular format of accessibility in reference to other applicable formats used by the visually impaired, the right to enter into a discussion of this nature, in our view, rests solely with the visually impaired. A person such as Mr. Javed Abidi, who has never used/read even a single Braille book in his entire life, does not have the right to speak on this issue. Therefore, rather than justifying the relevance of Braille (which is a firmly established truth in the visual impairment sector), we consider it imperative to take strong objection to a person, having no knowledge of visual impairment sector, meddling into our affairs. It may be noted here that AICB has the capacity of printing more than 4 Braille pages per day, but even this proves insufficient and our Braille press has to often work in multiple shifts. Similar situation may exist in the case of other Braille presses as well. It is a well-known fact that the demand for Braille books is much more than the present facilities and infrastructure can claim to meet. If such facts, along with all that has so far been said supporting Braille, are not enough to make Mr. Abidi realize the ground situation with respect to Braille, then we can only feel sad at his ignorance despite claiming to be in the sector for so many years. It is unfortunate that Mr. Abidi often speaks out of turn and on issues about which he appears to have only little or no knowledge. The present instance is one such example, though by no means the only one. Some people are so keen to issue public statements and read their names in print (as appears to be the present case) that they do not care for the accuracy of their statement, nor do they bother about the sensitivity of others. By issuing the most deplorable statement in reference, Mr. Javed Abidi has not only hurt the sentiments and interests of the blind, he has also once again proved that he has no right to speak on behalf of the blind and represent them in any matter and on any forum whatsoever. AICB, like many other self-help organizations of the blind, has always believed in the philosophy of nothing about us without us. Therefore, any attempt to speak on our behalf by those who do not belong to us, such as Mr. Javed Abidi, must be strongly resisted and repelled in the present and at all times to come. Even the UNCRPD (which Mr. Abidi claims to champion by conducting workshops) advocates the voicesof persons of applicable disabilities in formulations and decision-making. His present statement clearly proves that Mr. Abidi has violated this fundamental principle of UNCRPD also. While Mr. Abidi owes the visual impairment sector a public apology in the very newspaper which published his statement, the newspaper must also ensure that comments on issues concerning the blind must be sought from those to whom the issues directly concern and not from the self-styled disability activists. AICB has already written to the 'Pioneer' newspaper about this matter. We are also writing a strong letter of protest to Mr. Abidi's organization demanding a public apology. Please join us in the interests of the blind. Dr. Anil K. Aneja. Vice President, All India Confederation of the Blind On
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dear all, on behalf of radio udaan we also strongly condemn this statements of Javed Abidi. On 1/19/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I've forwarded the mail to Mr Abidi Dear Javed Abidi please see the conversation/thread and it would be great if you justify your claim or offer an apology to the blind community. On 1/19/15, AICB aicbdelhi.110...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, On behalf of All India Confederation of the Blind, we condemn in the strongest of expressions, the statement quoted to have been made by Mr. Javed Abidi about the relevance of Braille in the context of Government's initiatives to modernize Braille presses in the country. The discussion in reference to this statement, so far, has largely focused on justifying the relative merits of Braille in relation to other technologies. To us however, apart from what has been said by others supporting Braille, the issues underlying this discourse are much deeper than that. While we can debate the relative merits of a particular format of accessibility in reference to other applicable formats used by the visually impaired, the right to enter into a discussion of this nature, in our view, rests solely with the visually impaired. A person such as Mr. Javed Abidi, who has never used/read even a single Braille book in his entire life, does not have the right to speak on this issue. Therefore, rather than justifying the relevance of Braille (which is a firmly established truth in the visual impairment sector), we consider it imperative to take strong objection to a person, having no knowledge of visual impairment sector, meddling into our affairs. It may be noted here that AICB has the capacity of printing more than 4 Braille pages per day, but even this proves insufficient and our Braille press has to often work in multiple shifts. Similar situation may exist in the case of other Braille presses as well. It is a well-known fact that the demand for Braille books is much more than the present facilities and infrastructure can claim to meet. If such facts, along with all that has so far been said supporting Braille, are not enough to make Mr. Abidi realize the ground situation with respect to Braille, then we can only feel sad at his ignorance despite claiming to be in the sector for so many years. It is unfortunate that Mr. Abidi often speaks out of turn and on issues about which he appears to have only little or no knowledge. The present instance is one such example, though by no means the only one. Some people are so keen to issue public statements and read their names in print (as appears to be the present case) that they do not care for the accuracy of their statement, nor do they bother about the sensitivity of others. By issuing the most deplorable statement in reference, Mr. Javed Abidi has not only hurt the sentiments and interests of the blind, he has also once again proved that he has no right to speak on behalf of the blind and represent them in any matter and on any forum whatsoever. AICB, like many other self-help organizations of the blind, has always believed in the philosophy of nothing about us without us. Therefore, any attempt to speak on our behalf by those who do not belong to us, such as Mr. Javed Abidi, must be strongly resisted and repelled in the present and at all times to come. Even the UNCRPD (which Mr. Abidi claims to champion by conducting workshops) advocates the voicesof persons of applicable disabilities in formulations and decision-making. His present statement clearly proves that Mr. Abidi has violated this fundamental principle of UNCRPD also. While Mr. Abidi owes the visual impairment sector a public apology in the very newspaper which published his statement, the newspaper must also ensure that comments on issues concerning the blind must be sought from those to whom the issues directly concern and not from the self-styled disability activists. AICB has already written to the 'Pioneer' newspaper about this matter. We are also writing a strong letter of protest to Mr. Abidi's organization demanding a public apology. Please join us in the interests of the blind. Dr. Anil K. Aneja. Vice President, All India Confederation of the Blind On 1/17/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books.
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I've forwarded the mail to Mr Abidi Dear Javed Abidi please see the conversation/thread and it would be great if you justify your claim or offer an apology to the blind community. On 1/19/15, AICB aicbdelhi.110...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, On behalf of All India Confederation of the Blind, we condemn in the strongest of expressions, the statement quoted to have been made by Mr. Javed Abidi about the relevance of Braille in the context of Government's initiatives to modernize Braille presses in the country. The discussion in reference to this statement, so far, has largely focused on justifying the relative merits of Braille in relation to other technologies. To us however, apart from what has been said by others supporting Braille, the issues underlying this discourse are much deeper than that. While we can debate the relative merits of a particular format of accessibility in reference to other applicable formats used by the visually impaired, the right to enter into a discussion of this nature, in our view, rests solely with the visually impaired. A person such as Mr. Javed Abidi, who has never used/read even a single Braille book in his entire life, does not have the right to speak on this issue. Therefore, rather than justifying the relevance of Braille (which is a firmly established truth in the visual impairment sector), we consider it imperative to take strong objection to a person, having no knowledge of visual impairment sector, meddling into our affairs. It may be noted here that AICB has the capacity of printing more than 4 Braille pages per day, but even this proves insufficient and our Braille press has to often work in multiple shifts. Similar situation may exist in the case of other Braille presses as well. It is a well-known fact that the demand for Braille books is much more than the present facilities and infrastructure can claim to meet. If such facts, along with all that has so far been said supporting Braille, are not enough to make Mr. Abidi realize the ground situation with respect to Braille, then we can only feel sad at his ignorance despite claiming to be in the sector for so many years. It is unfortunate that Mr. Abidi often speaks out of turn and on issues about which he appears to have only little or no knowledge. The present instance is one such example, though by no means the only one. Some people are so keen to issue public statements and read their names in print (as appears to be the present case) that they do not care for the accuracy of their statement, nor do they bother about the sensitivity of others. By issuing the most deplorable statement in reference, Mr. Javed Abidi has not only hurt the sentiments and interests of the blind, he has also once again proved that he has no right to speak on behalf of the blind and represent them in any matter and on any forum whatsoever. AICB, like many other self-help organizations of the blind, has always believed in the philosophy of nothing about us without us. Therefore, any attempt to speak on our behalf by those who do not belong to us, such as Mr. Javed Abidi, must be strongly resisted and repelled in the present and at all times to come. Even the UNCRPD (which Mr. Abidi claims to champion by conducting workshops) advocates the voicesof persons of applicable disabilities in formulations and decision-making. His present statement clearly proves that Mr. Abidi has violated this fundamental principle of UNCRPD also. While Mr. Abidi owes the visual impairment sector a public apology in the very newspaper which published his statement, the newspaper must also ensure that comments on issues concerning the blind must be sought from those to whom the issues directly concern and not from the self-styled disability activists. AICB has already written to the 'Pioneer' newspaper about this matter. We are also writing a strong letter of protest to Mr. Abidi's organization demanding a public apology. Please join us in the interests of the blind. Dr. Anil K. Aneja. Vice President, All India Confederation of the Blind On 1/17/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually-impaired-funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the
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Dear friends, On behalf of All India Confederation of the Blind, we condemn in the strongest of expressions, the statement quoted to have been made by Mr. Javed Abidi about the relevance of Braille in the context of Government’s initiatives to modernize Braille presses in the country. The discussion in reference to this statement, so far, has largely focused on justifying the relative merits of Braille in relation to other technologies. To us however, apart from what has been said by others supporting Braille, the issues underlying this discourse are much deeper than that. While we can debate the relative merits of a particular format of accessibility in reference to other applicable formats used by the visually impaired, the right to enter into a discussion of this nature, in our view, rests solely with the visually impaired. A person such as Mr. Javed Abidi, who has never used/read even a single Braille book in his entire life, does not have the right to speak on this issue. Therefore, rather than justifying the relevance of Braille (which is a firmly established truth in the visual impairment sector), we consider it imperative to take strong objection to a person, having no knowledge of visual impairment sector, meddling into our affairs. It may be noted here that AICB has the capacity of printing more than 4 Braille pages per day, but even this proves insufficient and our Braille press has to often work in multiple shifts. Similar situation may exist in the case of other Braille presses as well. It is a well-known fact that the demand for Braille books is much more than the present facilities and infrastructure can claim to meet. If such facts, along with all that has so far been said supporting Braille, are not enough to make Mr. Abidi realize the ground situation with respect to Braille, then we can only feel sad at his ignorance despite claiming to be in the sector for so many years. It is unfortunate that Mr. Abidi often speaks out of turn and on issues about which he appears to have only little or no knowledge. The present instance is one such example, though by no means the only one. Some people are so keen to issue public statements and read their names in print (as appears to be the present case) that they do not care for the accuracy of their statement, nor do they bother about the sensitivity of others. By issuing the most deplorable statement in reference, Mr. Javed Abidi has not only hurt the sentiments and interests of the blind, he has also once again proved that he has no right to speak on behalf of the blind and represent them in any matter and on any forum whatsoever. AICB, like many other self-help organizations of the blind, has always believed in the philosophy of nothing about us without us. Therefore, any attempt to speak on our behalf by those who do not belong to us, such as Mr. Javed Abidi, must be strongly resisted and repelled in the present and at all times to come. Even the UNCRPD (which Mr. Abidi claims to champion by conducting workshops) advocates the voicesof persons of applicable disabilities in formulations and decision-making. His present statement clearly proves that Mr. Abidi has violated this fundamental principle of UNCRPD also. While Mr. Abidi owes the visual impairment sector a public apology in the very newspaper which published his statement, the newspaper must also ensure that comments on issues concerning the blind must be sought from those to whom the issues directly concern and not from the self-styled disability activists. AICB has already written to the ‘Pioneer’ newspaper about this matter. We are also writing a strong letter of protest to Mr. Abidi’s organization demanding a public apology. Please join us in the interests of the blind. Dr. Anil K. Aneja. Vice President, All India Confederation of the Blind On 1/17/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually-impaired-funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to
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Hi Poonam I guess very few blind people read Pioneer hence Mr Abidi thought he would sail through as was the case in the past prior to JAWS and other screen reading softwares. he often claims that he is in the Disability sector for more than two decades and sadly his specialisation in Braille is reflected in his comment. Such irrosponssible view expressed by Abidi and published by Pioneer is a valid cause for reactions and furious responses. Though we do not subscribe in hooliganism as practiced by some cultural groups against movies and books, and we uphold the value of speech and expression; however Mr Abidi and his minions are warrned not to go ahead whith fallacious propoganda against Braille and its users. one needs knowledge, experience, adaptability and acumen to represent cross-disability sector. And Mr Abidi lacks all this. What he should focus there where his constituency would be best served with utmost passivity. On 1/18/15, Poonam poonam...@gmail.com wrote: first, my thanks to avinash for sharing this piece of information. it would indeed be better if he also takes the pain to download the article and pastes them in his mails instead of only giving the links. javed abidi's shocking remarks about braille being an outdated concept is a classic case of exhibiting one's downright ignorance about the non-negotiable value and utility of braille. braille user that I happen to be, I must say with all the emphasis at my command and with full sense of responsibility that there is no substitute for braille and that computer/electronic technology has the potential to complement braille and never ever substitute braille. I do agree that braille, like any other progressive script, has, over the years, evolved on account of technological advancements and innovations with the result, for instance, that we now have paperless braille rendering the issue around storage of braille books almost redundant. thus, the problem relating to storage of braille books can be taken care of. besides, braille, in adition to improving the sense of spellings of blind persons also gives them a sense of connectedness and intimacy with the book or any other reading material. given a choice where only one out of two options between audio or braille is available, I will ordinarily go for braille. be that as it may, mr. javed abidi and his ilk will be well advised not only to desist from making irresponsible comments, among other things, by downplaying or trivialising the value and utility of braille and that too, without any firsthand experience but should get their facts right before making any statements. moreover, as a responsible newspaper, the pioneer should have spoken to and published the views of the blind in keeping with the established and recognised norms of journalistic ethics and propriety. I do hope that the organisations of the blind will lodge their protest and resentment with the pioneer and will come out with full-throated condemnation of such irresponsible and factually erroneous remarks. Poonam. On 1/18/15, Anirban Mukherjee sparsha.anir...@gmail.com wrote: braille outdated i've seldom heard such, well, let me stop myself from giving my feelings a word,. anyway, there is no substitute of braille. i do use technology much and often. i am a strong supporter of advanced technology but having said that, holding a braille book in hand and gliding my fingers through the dots give an altogether different sensation, a thrill inexplicable, a tremendous feeling of satisfaction. had all books been available in braille, who would have hankered after expensive technologies! let's hope the initiative of the organisations with the assistance of the government, (if it indeed comes through) persons like us would rediscover our passion for this fantastic mode of written script. greetings, Anirban Mukherjee On 1/18/15, Amiyo Biswas amiyo.bis...@gmail.com wrote: I also appreciate the government's initiative to set up new Braille presses and modernise existing ones through NIVH. Let us hope that we shall get more Braille books in future. A serious problem is that we get hardly anything in Braille after school, particularly in Indian languages. I want to read my favourite Bengali books in Braille. But just a few of them are available. However, we did not have text-books in Braille from class 6 in our days. The situation is slightly better now. As regards Braillers, these are too costly. The low-cost equipments produced in India too quickly go out of order. Refreshable Braille displays are beyond our reach. With best regards, Amiyo Biswas Cell: +91-9433464329 - Original Message - From: S R Mittal srmit...@gmail.com To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerningthe disabled.' accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
Dear friends, the Statement given by Javed Abidi with reference to Braille as an out dated concept is highly condemnable. A person who has never used Braille method in any face of his life has no rright to underestimate or give derogatory statement on Braille that to in a leading magazine daily pioneer. He made the statement that is the Braille books are too heavy to carry seems more childish because it is well known fact that Braile is the life line of many visually impaired children. Hence, the lame reason which is given that the Braille books being heavy to carry is absolutely inappropriate and shows his ignorance. Last but not the least Mr. Abidi, it is high time that you should refrain from making such inappropriate comments with reference to Braille and visually impaired community. On 1/18/15, sanjay sanjaylpra...@yahoo.co.in wrote: If one of you can volunteer, the purpose wil be served. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Avichal Bhatnagar Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 9:18 PM To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille I have been advocating for a braille noticeboard in my college for a long time. There is a large number of visually impaired students in the college, and in most of the cases they do not get to take part in various events taking place in and around the college just because the notices are pasted in print. A braille noticeboard would serve the purpose. On 1/17/15, Vedprakash vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com wrote: That would be a good initiative. -Original Message- From: sanjay [mailto:sanjaylpra...@yahoo.co.in] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 5:58 PM To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: RE: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille I agree with both of you. Apart from Braile books, our government should encourage the development of affordable Braile displays which may encourage pupils to learn Braile. Here is a startling news for those who believe Braile is an outdated stuff. Forget Braile, typewriters which are outdated for all of us are reintroduced in Germany and some other countries' Government offices to write and preserve secret documents. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vedprakash Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 5:15 PM To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.'; 'Shireen Irani' Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille Braille is the essential tool for us. It is a substitute for writing with pen and pencil. As a sighted person cannot stop using basic writing tools like pen and pencil, in the same way, Braille is the basic reading and writing system for us. Braille cannot be compared to any of the present technologies. Yes, we have been bennefitted with these technologies. No doubt. But that does not mean that Braille has no relevance with regard to our education. Imagine if we try to impose computers and daisy tools to read books and for writing on to our primary level students, what is going to happen. These technologies are useful only after we have undergone a specific level of studies. There are many more relevant features of braille which need not being discussed here. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:27 PM To: accessindia; Shireen Irani Subject: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually-impaired -funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at:
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
Firstly, we cannot expect a five year old kid to operate daisy player by him/herself. Some can do others cannot. Secondly, listening skills at the age of five are not much developed. So the kid is not going to understand all of what is taped. Thirdly, he/she is more prone to spelling difficulties. Fourthly, the daisy tools or any other technological methodologies are more expensive than braille reading and writing systems. Braille books, if printed at a large scale are cheaper than buying computers. Then the computer maintainence is another problem. Braille slate is cheaper then the said technologies. Many of the children would misuse computer instead of utilising its potentials. In the childhood, everyone does it. At no stage, primary level students shall be able to use the new technologies easily in comparison to braille. If we think that the visually impaired children should learn science and mathemetics, we should try to teach them braille first as it is going to benefit them while solving huge calculations. Calculator is not permissible in examinations. But we can advocate for abacus and braille slates for rough work. It is in this context that braille cannot be replaced. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 12:25 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille Hi, I can imagine some situations where the Braille script would be more advantageous than assistive technology, but at this age, I haven't required Braille. I won't argue that Braille has 'no' relevance in the present day, because I feel that it may have some, but I am unclear of the following two statements, said by Venprakash Sir: 'Imagine if we try to impose computers and daisy tools to read books and for writing on to our primary level students, what is going to happen.!!!' I do not follow you, what will be the consequences? I recently met another visually impaired child studying in a mainstream school, who uses Braille as his means of studies, and is unwilling to switch to computers. He is financially capable, therefore he is able to get his books printed in Braille. Since his school teachers do not know Braille, he has a shadow teacher. I consider myself more fortunate than him for the means I use to study. Please clarify about the consequences of imposing computers and other assistive technology from the primary level to read and write. 'These technologies are useful only after we have undergone a specific level of studies.' If I follow you correctly, you mean that assistive technology can be used only after certain amount of training. If my interpretation is correct, then I feel you are wrong. I feel that anything can be used after productively only after a certain amount of training. This applies to assistive technology, Braille, and practically anything and everything else. Thanks. On 1/18/15, sanjay sanjaylpra...@yahoo.co.in wrote: If one of you can volunteer, the purpose wil be served. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Avichal Bhatnagar Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 9:18 PM To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille I have been advocating for a braille noticeboard in my college for a long time. There is a large number of visually impaired students in the college, and in most of the cases they do not get to take part in various events taking place in and around the college just because the notices are pasted in print. A braille noticeboard would serve the purpose. On 1/17/15, Vedprakash vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com wrote: That would be a good initiative. -Original Message- From: sanjay [mailto:sanjaylpra...@yahoo.co.in] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 5:58 PM To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: RE: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille I agree with both of you. Apart from Braile books, our government should encourage the development of affordable Braile displays which may encourage pupils to learn Braile. Here is a startling news for those who believe Braile is an outdated stuff. Forget Braile, typewriters which are outdated for all of us are reintroduced in Germany and some other countries' Government offices to write and preserve secret documents. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vedprakash Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 5:15 PM To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and
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Dear Poonam, I always like your interventions in access india. But I do not know personally. I hope we will meat some time. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Poonam Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 12:28 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille first, my thanks to avinash for sharing this piece of information. it would indeed be better if he also takes the pain to download the article and pastes them in his mails instead of only giving the links. javed abidi's shocking remarks about braille being an outdated concept is a classic case of exhibiting one's downright ignorance about the non-negotiable value and utility of braille. braille user that I happen to be, I must say with all the emphasis at my command and with full sense of responsibility that there is no substitute for braille and that computer/electronic technology has the potential to complement braille and never ever substitute braille. I do agree that braille, like any other progressive script, has, over the years, evolved on account of technological advancements and innovations with the result, for instance, that we now have paperless braille rendering the issue around storage of braille books almost redundant. thus, the problem relating to storage of braille books can be taken care of. besides, braille, in adition to improving the sense of spellings of blind persons also gives them a sense of connectedness and intimacy with the book or any other reading material. given a choice where only one out of two options between audio or braille is available, I will ordinarily go for braille. be that as it may, mr. javed abidi and his ilk will be well advised not only to desist from making irresponsible comments, among other things, by downplaying or trivialising the value and utility of braille and that too, without any firsthand experience but should get their facts right before making any statements. moreover, as a responsible newspaper, the pioneer should have spoken to and published the views of the blind in keeping with the established and recognised norms of journalistic ethics and propriety. I do hope that the organisations of the blind will lodge their protest and resentment with the pioneer and will come out with full-throated condemnation of such irresponsible and factually erroneous remarks. Poonam. On 1/18/15, Anirban Mukherjee sparsha.anir...@gmail.com wrote: braille outdated i've seldom heard such, well, let me stop myself from giving my feelings a word,. anyway, there is no substitute of braille. i do use technology much and often. i am a strong supporter of advanced technology but having said that, holding a braille book in hand and gliding my fingers through the dots give an altogether different sensation, a thrill inexplicable, a tremendous feeling of satisfaction. had all books been available in braille, who would have hankered after expensive technologies! let's hope the initiative of the organisations with the assistance of the government, (if it indeed comes through) persons like us would rediscover our passion for this fantastic mode of written script. greetings, Anirban Mukherjee On 1/18/15, Amiyo Biswas amiyo.bis...@gmail.com wrote: I also appreciate the government's initiative to set up new Braille presses and modernise existing ones through NIVH. Let us hope that we shall get more Braille books in future. A serious problem is that we get hardly anything in Braille after school, particularly in Indian languages. I want to read my favourite Bengali books in Braille. But just a few of them are available. However, we did not have text-books in Braille from class 6 in our days. The situation is slightly better now. As regards Braillers, these are too costly. The low-cost equipments produced in India too quickly go out of order. Refreshable Braille displays are beyond our reach. With best regards, Amiyo Biswas Cell: +91-9433464329 - Original Message - From: S R Mittal srmit...@gmail.com To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerningthe disabled.' accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired,funds books in Braille I fully agree with you Avinashji. I, that's why always support the initiatives of NIVH, AICB and NFB in the efforts of promoting Braille. As teacher-education in the area of Special Education, I always emphasise on learning Braille and other special skills by teacher trainees aspiring to become teachers of children with visual impairment. Regards Mittal -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:27 PM To:
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in BrailleIf govt sets up new braille presses under its control and modernises govt-owned braille presses, its definitely futile for the very reasons that such printing presses eat away the funds allocated for printing on administrative/salaries of the of their employees. Almost all the braille presses owned by the state/central govt are not at all functioning due to some vague reasons or the other. So it would be prudent for the govt to support/assist/fund those NGOs who are having braille printing presses. In providing braille materials, the NGOs are doing quite a laudable job. E-Mail: subramani6...@gmail.com Mob: 9738150192 Facebook: www.facebook.com/subu.subramani.16 - Original Message - From: Amiyo Biswas To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning the disabled. Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Center no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille I also appreciate the government's initiative to set up new Braille presses and modernise existing ones through NIVH. Let us hope that we shall get more Braille books in future. A serious problem is that we get hardly anything in Braille after school, particularly in Indian languages. I want to read my favourite Bengali books in Braille. But just a few of them are available. However, we did not have text-books in Braille from class 6 in our days. The situation is slightly better now. As regards Braillers, these are too costly. The low-cost equipments produced in India too quickly go out of order. Refreshable Braille displays are beyond our reach. With best regards, Amiyo Biswas Cell: +91-9433464329 - Original Message - From: S R Mittal srmit...@gmail.com To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerningthe disabled.' accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Center no more blind to visually impaired,funds books in Braille I fully agree with you Avinashji. I, that's why always support the initiatives of NIVH, AICB and NFB in the efforts of promoting Braille. As teacher-education in the area of Special Education, I always emphasise on learning Braille and other special skills by teacher trainees aspiring to become teachers of children with visual impairment. Regards Mittal -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:27 PM To: accessindia; Shireen Irani Subject: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired,funds books in Braille I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually-impaired -funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
Braille and the blind are inseparable from each other. This fact should be known to few handful tech savvy blind users. Around 70 % blind folks do resides in rural areas and the circumstances given where electricity is must for electronic gajets, Braille scripts comes very handy and effective tool for attaining knowledge. Apart from this, Braille is very relevant at the primary and high secondary level where syllabus is limited. Though its usages gets a bit confined at the higher level in education but even at that level also while giving presentations, taking notes Braille comes as a highly significant means. Hence in my opinion as well the statement given by Mr. Abidi constitutes an immature and distasteful, worthy of outright condemnations. On 1/18/15, madhu madhu.singha...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Poonam, I always like your interventions in access india. But I do not know personally. I hope we will meat some time. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Poonam Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 12:28 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille first, my thanks to avinash for sharing this piece of information. it would indeed be better if he also takes the pain to download the article and pastes them in his mails instead of only giving the links. javed abidi's shocking remarks about braille being an outdated concept is a classic case of exhibiting one's downright ignorance about the non-negotiable value and utility of braille. braille user that I happen to be, I must say with all the emphasis at my command and with full sense of responsibility that there is no substitute for braille and that computer/electronic technology has the potential to complement braille and never ever substitute braille. I do agree that braille, like any other progressive script, has, over the years, evolved on account of technological advancements and innovations with the result, for instance, that we now have paperless braille rendering the issue around storage of braille books almost redundant. thus, the problem relating to storage of braille books can be taken care of. besides, braille, in adition to improving the sense of spellings of blind persons also gives them a sense of connectedness and intimacy with the book or any other reading material. given a choice where only one out of two options between audio or braille is available, I will ordinarily go for braille. be that as it may, mr. javed abidi and his ilk will be well advised not only to desist from making irresponsible comments, among other things, by downplaying or trivialising the value and utility of braille and that too, without any firsthand experience but should get their facts right before making any statements. moreover, as a responsible newspaper, the pioneer should have spoken to and published the views of the blind in keeping with the established and recognised norms of journalistic ethics and propriety. I do hope that the organisations of the blind will lodge their protest and resentment with the pioneer and will come out with full-throated condemnation of such irresponsible and factually erroneous remarks. Poonam. On 1/18/15, Anirban Mukherjee sparsha.anir...@gmail.com wrote: braille outdated i've seldom heard such, well, let me stop myself from giving my feelings a word,. anyway, there is no substitute of braille. i do use technology much and often. i am a strong supporter of advanced technology but having said that, holding a braille book in hand and gliding my fingers through the dots give an altogether different sensation, a thrill inexplicable, a tremendous feeling of satisfaction. had all books been available in braille, who would have hankered after expensive technologies! let's hope the initiative of the organisations with the assistance of the government, (if it indeed comes through) persons like us would rediscover our passion for this fantastic mode of written script. greetings, Anirban Mukherjee On 1/18/15, Amiyo Biswas amiyo.bis...@gmail.com wrote: I also appreciate the government's initiative to set up new Braille presses and modernise existing ones through NIVH. Let us hope that we shall get more Braille books in future. A serious problem is that we get hardly anything in Braille after school, particularly in Indian languages. I want to read my favourite Bengali books in Braille. But just a few of them are available. However, we did not have text-books in Braille from class 6 in our days. The situation is slightly better now. As regards Braillers, these are too costly. The low-cost equipments produced in India too quickly go out of order. Refreshable Braille displays are beyond our reach. With best regards, Amiyo Biswas Cell: +91-9433464329
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Hi all, Actually it is the greatest tragedy of the disabled right movement that it has now slipped in the hands of those who can not think beyond ramps or lifts. More than a script Braille is a tactile way of approaching and experiencing the world. Those who do not require it much can not understand its significance. Therefore they hardly know how much a mobile handset or a keyboard is more blind friendly than touchpads. Right from Braille to Jaws or other softwares most of the educational or recreational things for the blind have been developed by themselves. So nobody else has the right to decide whether a technology or a means of reading-writing is relevant or redundant. Regards Naresh On 1/18/15, Misbah jnu.mis...@gmail.com wrote: Braille and the blind are inseparable from each other. This fact should be known to few handful tech savvy blind users. Around 70 % blind folks do resides in rural areas and the circumstances given where electricity is must for electronic gajets, Braille scripts comes very handy and effective tool for attaining knowledge. Apart from this, Braille is very relevant at the primary and high secondary level where syllabus is limited. Though its usages gets a bit confined at the higher level in education but even at that level also while giving presentations, taking notes Braille comes as a highly significant means. Hence in my opinion as well the statement given by Mr. Abidi constitutes an immature and distasteful, worthy of outright condemnations. On 1/18/15, madhu madhu.singha...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Poonam, I always like your interventions in access india. But I do not know personally. I hope we will meat some time. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Poonam Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 12:28 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille first, my thanks to avinash for sharing this piece of information. it would indeed be better if he also takes the pain to download the article and pastes them in his mails instead of only giving the links. javed abidi's shocking remarks about braille being an outdated concept is a classic case of exhibiting one's downright ignorance about the non-negotiable value and utility of braille. braille user that I happen to be, I must say with all the emphasis at my command and with full sense of responsibility that there is no substitute for braille and that computer/electronic technology has the potential to complement braille and never ever substitute braille. I do agree that braille, like any other progressive script, has, over the years, evolved on account of technological advancements and innovations with the result, for instance, that we now have paperless braille rendering the issue around storage of braille books almost redundant. thus, the problem relating to storage of braille books can be taken care of. besides, braille, in adition to improving the sense of spellings of blind persons also gives them a sense of connectedness and intimacy with the book or any other reading material. given a choice where only one out of two options between audio or braille is available, I will ordinarily go for braille. be that as it may, mr. javed abidi and his ilk will be well advised not only to desist from making irresponsible comments, among other things, by downplaying or trivialising the value and utility of braille and that too, without any firsthand experience but should get their facts right before making any statements. moreover, as a responsible newspaper, the pioneer should have spoken to and published the views of the blind in keeping with the established and recognised norms of journalistic ethics and propriety. I do hope that the organisations of the blind will lodge their protest and resentment with the pioneer and will come out with full-throated condemnation of such irresponsible and factually erroneous remarks. Poonam. On 1/18/15, Anirban Mukherjee sparsha.anir...@gmail.com wrote: braille outdated i've seldom heard such, well, let me stop myself from giving my feelings a word,. anyway, there is no substitute of braille. i do use technology much and often. i am a strong supporter of advanced technology but having said that, holding a braille book in hand and gliding my fingers through the dots give an altogether different sensation, a thrill inexplicable, a tremendous feeling of satisfaction. had all books been available in braille, who would have hankered after expensive technologies! let's hope the initiative of the organisations with the assistance of the government, (if it indeed comes through) persons like us would rediscover our passion for this fantastic mode of written script. greetings, Anirban Mukherjee On 1/18/15, Amiyo Biswas
[AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually-impaired-funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
Braille is the essential tool for us. It is a substitute for writing with pen and pencil. As a sighted person cannot stop using basic writing tools like pen and pencil, in the same way, Braille is the basic reading and writing system for us. Braille cannot be compared to any of the present technologies. Yes, we have been bennefitted with these technologies. No doubt. But that does not mean that Braille has no relevance with regard to our education. Imagine if we try to impose computers and daisy tools to read books and for writing on to our primary level students, what is going to happen. These technologies are useful only after we have undergone a specific level of studies. There are many more relevant features of braille which need not being discussed here. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:27 PM To: accessindia; Shireen Irani Subject: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually-impaired -funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
I agree with both of you. Apart from Braile books, our government should encourage the development of affordable Braile displays which may encourage pupils to learn Braile. Here is a startling news for those who believe Braile is an outdated stuff. Forget Braile, typewriters which are outdated for all of us are reintroduced in Germany and some other countries' Government offices to write and preserve secret documents. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vedprakash Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 5:15 PM To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.'; 'Shireen Irani' Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille Braille is the essential tool for us. It is a substitute for writing with pen and pencil. As a sighted person cannot stop using basic writing tools like pen and pencil, in the same way, Braille is the basic reading and writing system for us. Braille cannot be compared to any of the present technologies. Yes, we have been bennefitted with these technologies. No doubt. But that does not mean that Braille has no relevance with regard to our education. Imagine if we try to impose computers and daisy tools to read books and for writing on to our primary level students, what is going to happen. These technologies are useful only after we have undergone a specific level of studies. There are many more relevant features of braille which need not being discussed here. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:27 PM To: accessindia; Shireen Irani Subject: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually-impaired -funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
That would be a good initiative. -Original Message- From: sanjay [mailto:sanjaylpra...@yahoo.co.in] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 5:58 PM To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: RE: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille I agree with both of you. Apart from Braile books, our government should encourage the development of affordable Braile displays which may encourage pupils to learn Braile. Here is a startling news for those who believe Braile is an outdated stuff. Forget Braile, typewriters which are outdated for all of us are reintroduced in Germany and some other countries' Government offices to write and preserve secret documents. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vedprakash Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 5:15 PM To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.'; 'Shireen Irani' Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille Braille is the essential tool for us. It is a substitute for writing with pen and pencil. As a sighted person cannot stop using basic writing tools like pen and pencil, in the same way, Braille is the basic reading and writing system for us. Braille cannot be compared to any of the present technologies. Yes, we have been bennefitted with these technologies. No doubt. But that does not mean that Braille has no relevance with regard to our education. Imagine if we try to impose computers and daisy tools to read books and for writing on to our primary level students, what is going to happen. These technologies are useful only after we have undergone a specific level of studies. There are many more relevant features of braille which need not being discussed here. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:27 PM To: accessindia; Shireen Irani Subject: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually-impaired -funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
I have been advocating for a braille noticeboard in my college for a long time. There is a large number of visually impaired students in the college, and in most of the cases they do not get to take part in various events taking place in and around the college just because the notices are pasted in print. A braille noticeboard would serve the purpose. On 1/17/15, Vedprakash vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com wrote: That would be a good initiative. -Original Message- From: sanjay [mailto:sanjaylpra...@yahoo.co.in] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 5:58 PM To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: RE: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille I agree with both of you. Apart from Braile books, our government should encourage the development of affordable Braile displays which may encourage pupils to learn Braile. Here is a startling news for those who believe Braile is an outdated stuff. Forget Braile, typewriters which are outdated for all of us are reintroduced in Germany and some other countries' Government offices to write and preserve secret documents. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vedprakash Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 5:15 PM To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.'; 'Shireen Irani' Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille Braille is the essential tool for us. It is a substitute for writing with pen and pencil. As a sighted person cannot stop using basic writing tools like pen and pencil, in the same way, Braille is the basic reading and writing system for us. Braille cannot be compared to any of the present technologies. Yes, we have been bennefitted with these technologies. No doubt. But that does not mean that Braille has no relevance with regard to our education. Imagine if we try to impose computers and daisy tools to read books and for writing on to our primary level students, what is going to happen. These technologies are useful only after we have undergone a specific level of studies. There are many more relevant features of braille which need not being discussed here. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:27 PM To: accessindia; Shireen Irani Subject: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually-impaired -funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
Dear Mittal Sir It is really very very surprising that there are no braille reading and writing standards yet for teachers. I believe any person desiring to be teacher of a visually challenged must read and write with high efficiency. I request one and all to request universities, colleges, NGO's to set a standard for this. Put pressure on RCI to have a national standard of braille efficiency of teachers. Nirmal On 18-Jan-2015 7:35 am, S R Mittal srmit...@gmail.com wrote: I fully agree with you Avinashji. I, that's why always support the initiatives of NIVH, AICB and NFB in the efforts of promoting Braille. As teacher-education in the area of Special Education, I always emphasise on learning Braille and other special skills by teacher trainees aspiring to become teachers of children with visual impairment. Regards Mittal -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:27 PM To: accessindia; Shireen Irani Subject: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired,funds books in Braille I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually-impaired -funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
I fully agree with you Avinashji. I, that's why always support the initiatives of NIVH, AICB and NFB in the efforts of promoting Braille. As teacher-education in the area of Special Education, I always emphasise on learning Braille and other special skills by teacher trainees aspiring to become teachers of children with visual impairment. Regards Mittal -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:27 PM To: accessindia; Shireen Irani Subject: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired,funds books in Braille I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually-impaired -funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
Hi, I can imagine some situations where the Braille script would be more advantageous than assistive technology, but at this age, I haven't required Braille. I won't argue that Braille has 'no' relevance in the present day, because I feel that it may have some, but I am unclear of the following two statements, said by Venprakash Sir: 'Imagine if we try to impose computers and daisy tools to read books and for writing on to our primary level students, what is going to happen.!!!' I do not follow you, what will be the consequences? I recently met another visually impaired child studying in a mainstream school, who uses Braille as his means of studies, and is unwilling to switch to computers. He is financially capable, therefore he is able to get his books printed in Braille. Since his school teachers do not know Braille, he has a shadow teacher. I consider myself more fortunate than him for the means I use to study. Please clarify about the consequences of imposing computers and other assistive technology from the primary level to read and write. 'These technologies are useful only after we have undergone a specific level of studies.' If I follow you correctly, you mean that assistive technology can be used only after certain amount of training. If my interpretation is correct, then I feel you are wrong. I feel that anything can be used after productively only after a certain amount of training. This applies to assistive technology, Braille, and practically anything and everything else. Thanks. On 1/18/15, sanjay sanjaylpra...@yahoo.co.in wrote: If one of you can volunteer, the purpose wil be served. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Avichal Bhatnagar Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 9:18 PM To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille I have been advocating for a braille noticeboard in my college for a long time. There is a large number of visually impaired students in the college, and in most of the cases they do not get to take part in various events taking place in and around the college just because the notices are pasted in print. A braille noticeboard would serve the purpose. On 1/17/15, Vedprakash vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com wrote: That would be a good initiative. -Original Message- From: sanjay [mailto:sanjaylpra...@yahoo.co.in] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 5:58 PM To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: RE: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille I agree with both of you. Apart from Braile books, our government should encourage the development of affordable Braile displays which may encourage pupils to learn Braile. Here is a startling news for those who believe Braile is an outdated stuff. Forget Braile, typewriters which are outdated for all of us are reintroduced in Germany and some other countries' Government offices to write and preserve secret documents. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vedprakash Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 5:15 PM To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.'; 'Shireen Irani' Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille Braille is the essential tool for us. It is a substitute for writing with pen and pencil. As a sighted person cannot stop using basic writing tools like pen and pencil, in the same way, Braille is the basic reading and writing system for us. Braille cannot be compared to any of the present technologies. Yes, we have been bennefitted with these technologies. No doubt. But that does not mean that Braille has no relevance with regard to our education. Imagine if we try to impose computers and daisy tools to read books and for writing on to our primary level students, what is going to happen. These technologies are useful only after we have undergone a specific level of studies. There are many more relevant features of braille which need not being discussed here. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:27 PM To: accessindia; Shireen Irani Subject: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
The braille is not all about spellings or reading speeds. When one goes through the books of science and mathemetics at the senior secondary levels or even at the secondary levels, Reading applications/Audio books prove to be of little use. Secondly, when you are addressing an audience, your braille notes would be more helpful than computers. For instance, you are presenting an artist on the stage. You need to have some readily available info about that artist while you introduce him/her to the audience. I have many a times, become a matter of joke as I forgot some very important info about the artist as I was announcing on stage regarding a music programme. I forgot the names of the accompanists. Computer is of little use at these places. Even in a seminar, when you are presenting your paper, although slides, images etc can be presented through computer, but the basic notes should be kept in braille otherwise, a very peculiar expression comes on the face as you try to search some info through Jaws or other speech synthesizer. So braille is the fundamental reading and writing tool like pencil and paper. In sighted persons too, computer use has increased and many things which previously were done on paper, are being done on computer. But they cannot say that they are going to set aside the basic tool of pen and paper. The same is true for us too. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 12:42 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille Hi, I'd like to reply to the below quoted text: 'besides, braille, in adition to improving the sense of spellings of blind persons also gives them a sense of connectedness and intimacy with the book or any other reading material. given a choice where only one out of two options between audio or braille is available, I will ordinarily go for braille.' I feel that that is a subjective issue, and opting for Braille over audio is your personal preference. I find that Braille decreases my reading speed, which would be many times faster if I was using a screen reader, but again, thats my own opinion. Though I was fairly sighted until two years ago, when my spellings were reasonably good, despite not using Braille, they are equally good at present as well. Technically, they should have worsened, but by habit I perform quick character navigation on my computer to know the spelling of a word, and as a result, my spellings are as good as before. Technically, you should have been right, but practically, according to my experience, you aren't. All the same, I agree with parts of your other opinions on this topic... On 1/18/15, Poonam poonam...@gmail.com wrote: first, my thanks to avinash for sharing this piece of information. it would indeed be better if he also takes the pain to download the article and pastes them in his mails instead of only giving the links. javed abidi's shocking remarks about braille being an outdated concept is a classic case of exhibiting one's downright ignorance about the non-negotiable value and utility of braille. braille user that I happen to be, I must say with all the emphasis at my command and with full sense of responsibility that there is no substitute for braille and that computer/electronic technology has the potential to complement braille and never ever substitute braille. I do agree that braille, like any other progressive script, has, over the years, evolved on account of technological advancements and innovations with the result, for instance, that we now have paperless braille rendering the issue around storage of braille books almost redundant. thus, the problem relating to storage of braille books can be taken care of. besides, braille, in adition to improving the sense of spellings of blind persons also gives them a sense of connectedness and intimacy with the book or any other reading material. given a choice where only one out of two options between audio or braille is available, I will ordinarily go for braille. be that as it may, mr. javed abidi and his ilk will be well advised not only to desist from making irresponsible comments, among other things, by downplaying or trivialising the value and utility of braille and that too, without any firsthand experience but should get their facts right before making any statements. moreover, as a responsible newspaper, the pioneer should have spoken to and published the views of the blind in keeping with the established and recognised norms of journalistic ethics and propriety. I do hope that the organisations of the blind will lodge their protest and resentment with the pioneer and will come out with full-throated condemnation of such irresponsible and factually erroneous remarks. Poonam.
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I also appreciate the government's initiative to set up new Braille presses and modernise existing ones through NIVH. Let us hope that we shall get more Braille books in future. A serious problem is that we get hardly anything in Braille after school, particularly in Indian languages. I want to read my favourite Bengali books in Braille. But just a few of them are available. However, we did not have text-books in Braille from class 6 in our days. The situation is slightly better now. As regards Braillers, these are too costly. The low-cost equipments produced in India too quickly go out of order. Refreshable Braille displays are beyond our reach. With best regards, Amiyo Biswas Cell: +91-9433464329 - Original Message - From: S R Mittal srmit...@gmail.com To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerningthe disabled.' accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired,funds books in Braille I fully agree with you Avinashji. I, that's why always support the initiatives of NIVH, AICB and NFB in the efforts of promoting Braille. As teacher-education in the area of Special Education, I always emphasise on learning Braille and other special skills by teacher trainees aspiring to become teachers of children with visual impairment. Regards Mittal -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:27 PM To: accessindia; Shireen Irani Subject: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired,funds books in Braille I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually-impaired -funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the
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Though I am a senior manager in the bank, I still use Braille pocket frame to take down my notes in Braille inspite of having other resources and assistants to help me. I encourage Braille every year through conduct of Braille competitions to visually challenged and have purchased a Braille embosser to print books in Braille to provide Braille books to needy blind. Don't talk anything negative abount Braille. Regards Paul -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Poonam Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 12:28 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille first, my thanks to avinash for sharing this piece of information. it would indeed be better if he also takes the pain to download the article and pastes them in his mails instead of only giving the links. javed abidi's shocking remarks about braille being an outdated concept is a classic case of exhibiting one's downright ignorance about the non-negotiable value and utility of braille. braille user that I happen to be, I must say with all the emphasis at my command and with full sense of responsibility that there is no substitute for braille and that computer/electronic technology has the potential to complement braille and never ever substitute braille. I do agree that braille, like any other progressive script, has, over the years, evolved on account of technological advancements and innovations with the result, for instance, that we now have paperless braille rendering the issue around storage of braille books almost redundant. thus, the problem relating to storage of braille books can be taken care of. besides, braille, in adition to improving the sense of spellings of blind persons also gives them a sense of connectedness and intimacy with the book or any other reading material. given a choice where only one out of two options between audio or braille is available, I will ordinarily go for braille. be that as it may, mr. javed abidi and his ilk will be well advised not only to desist from making irresponsible comments, among other things, by downplaying or trivialising the value and utility of braille and that too, without any firsthand experience but should get their facts right before making any statements. moreover, as a responsible newspaper, the pioneer should have spoken to and published the views of the blind in keeping with the established and recognised norms of journalistic ethics and propriety. I do hope that the organisations of the blind will lodge their protest and resentment with the pioneer and will come out with full-throated condemnation of such irresponsible and factually erroneous remarks. Poonam. On 1/18/15, Anirban Mukherjee sparsha.anir...@gmail.com wrote: braille outdated i've seldom heard such, well, let me stop myself from giving my feelings a word,. anyway, there is no substitute of braille. i do use technology much and often. i am a strong supporter of advanced technology but having said that, holding a braille book in hand and gliding my fingers through the dots give an altogether different sensation, a thrill inexplicable, a tremendous feeling of satisfaction. had all books been available in braille, who would have hankered after expensive technologies! let's hope the initiative of the organisations with the assistance of the government, (if it indeed comes through) persons like us would rediscover our passion for this fantastic mode of written script. greetings, Anirban Mukherjee On 1/18/15, Amiyo Biswas amiyo.bis...@gmail.com wrote: I also appreciate the government's initiative to set up new Braille presses and modernise existing ones through NIVH. Let us hope that we shall get more Braille books in future. A serious problem is that we get hardly anything in Braille after school, particularly in Indian languages. I want to read my favourite Bengali books in Braille. But just a few of them are available. However, we did not have text-books in Braille from class 6 in our days. The situation is slightly better now. As regards Braillers, these are too costly. The low-cost equipments produced in India too quickly go out of order. Refreshable Braille displays are beyond our reach. With best regards, Amiyo Biswas Cell: +91-9433464329 - Original Message - From: S R Mittal srmit...@gmail.com To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerningthe disabled.' accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired,funds books in Braille I fully agree with you Avinashji. I, that's why always support the initiatives of NIVH, AICB and NFB in the efforts of promoting Braille. As teacher-education in the area of Special Education, I always emphasise on learning Braille and
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
braille outdated i've seldom heard such, well, let me stop myself from giving my feelings a word,. anyway, there is no substitute of braille. i do use technology much and often. i am a strong supporter of advanced technology but having said that, holding a braille book in hand and gliding my fingers through the dots give an altogether different sensation, a thrill inexplicable, a tremendous feeling of satisfaction. had all books been available in braille, who would have hankered after expensive technologies! let's hope the initiative of the organisations with the assistance of the government, (if it indeed comes through) persons like us would rediscover our passion for this fantastic mode of written script. greetings, Anirban Mukherjee On 1/18/15, Amiyo Biswas amiyo.bis...@gmail.com wrote: I also appreciate the government's initiative to set up new Braille presses and modernise existing ones through NIVH. Let us hope that we shall get more Braille books in future. A serious problem is that we get hardly anything in Braille after school, particularly in Indian languages. I want to read my favourite Bengali books in Braille. But just a few of them are available. However, we did not have text-books in Braille from class 6 in our days. The situation is slightly better now. As regards Braillers, these are too costly. The low-cost equipments produced in India too quickly go out of order. Refreshable Braille displays are beyond our reach. With best regards, Amiyo Biswas Cell: +91-9433464329 - Original Message - From: S R Mittal srmit...@gmail.com To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerningthe disabled.' accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired,funds books in Braille I fully agree with you Avinashji. I, that's why always support the initiatives of NIVH, AICB and NFB in the efforts of promoting Braille. As teacher-education in the area of Special Education, I always emphasise on learning Braille and other special skills by teacher trainees aspiring to become teachers of children with visual impairment. Regards Mittal -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:27 PM To: accessindia; Shireen Irani Subject: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired,funds books in Braille I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually-impaired -funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent
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If one of you can volunteer, the purpose wil be served. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Avichal Bhatnagar Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 9:18 PM To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille I have been advocating for a braille noticeboard in my college for a long time. There is a large number of visually impaired students in the college, and in most of the cases they do not get to take part in various events taking place in and around the college just because the notices are pasted in print. A braille noticeboard would serve the purpose. On 1/17/15, Vedprakash vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com wrote: That would be a good initiative. -Original Message- From: sanjay [mailto:sanjaylpra...@yahoo.co.in] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 5:58 PM To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: RE: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille I agree with both of you. Apart from Braile books, our government should encourage the development of affordable Braile displays which may encourage pupils to learn Braile. Here is a startling news for those who believe Braile is an outdated stuff. Forget Braile, typewriters which are outdated for all of us are reintroduced in Germany and some other countries' Government offices to write and preserve secret documents. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vedprakash Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 5:15 PM To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.'; 'Shireen Irani' Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille Braille is the essential tool for us. It is a substitute for writing with pen and pencil. As a sighted person cannot stop using basic writing tools like pen and pencil, in the same way, Braille is the basic reading and writing system for us. Braille cannot be compared to any of the present technologies. Yes, we have been bennefitted with these technologies. No doubt. But that does not mean that Braille has no relevance with regard to our education. Imagine if we try to impose computers and daisy tools to read books and for writing on to our primary level students, what is going to happen. These technologies are useful only after we have undergone a specific level of studies. There are many more relevant features of braille which need not being discussed here. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:27 PM To: accessindia; Shireen Irani Subject: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in technological advancement worldover which serves few lucky ones, Braille is an equaliser for majority of blind people. As printed books are never gonna off the hands so the case with Braille books. http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/centre-no-more-blind-to-visually-impaired -funds-books-in-braille.html -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at:
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
first, my thanks to avinash for sharing this piece of information. it would indeed be better if he also takes the pain to download the article and pastes them in his mails instead of only giving the links. javed abidi's shocking remarks about braille being an outdated concept is a classic case of exhibiting one's downright ignorance about the non-negotiable value and utility of braille. braille user that I happen to be, I must say with all the emphasis at my command and with full sense of responsibility that there is no substitute for braille and that computer/electronic technology has the potential to complement braille and never ever substitute braille. I do agree that braille, like any other progressive script, has, over the years, evolved on account of technological advancements and innovations with the result, for instance, that we now have paperless braille rendering the issue around storage of braille books almost redundant. thus, the problem relating to storage of braille books can be taken care of. besides, braille, in adition to improving the sense of spellings of blind persons also gives them a sense of connectedness and intimacy with the book or any other reading material. given a choice where only one out of two options between audio or braille is available, I will ordinarily go for braille. be that as it may, mr. javed abidi and his ilk will be well advised not only to desist from making irresponsible comments, among other things, by downplaying or trivialising the value and utility of braille and that too, without any firsthand experience but should get their facts right before making any statements. moreover, as a responsible newspaper, the pioneer should have spoken to and published the views of the blind in keeping with the established and recognised norms of journalistic ethics and propriety. I do hope that the organisations of the blind will lodge their protest and resentment with the pioneer and will come out with full-throated condemnation of such irresponsible and factually erroneous remarks. Poonam. On 1/18/15, Anirban Mukherjee sparsha.anir...@gmail.com wrote: braille outdated i've seldom heard such, well, let me stop myself from giving my feelings a word,. anyway, there is no substitute of braille. i do use technology much and often. i am a strong supporter of advanced technology but having said that, holding a braille book in hand and gliding my fingers through the dots give an altogether different sensation, a thrill inexplicable, a tremendous feeling of satisfaction. had all books been available in braille, who would have hankered after expensive technologies! let's hope the initiative of the organisations with the assistance of the government, (if it indeed comes through) persons like us would rediscover our passion for this fantastic mode of written script. greetings, Anirban Mukherjee On 1/18/15, Amiyo Biswas amiyo.bis...@gmail.com wrote: I also appreciate the government's initiative to set up new Braille presses and modernise existing ones through NIVH. Let us hope that we shall get more Braille books in future. A serious problem is that we get hardly anything in Braille after school, particularly in Indian languages. I want to read my favourite Bengali books in Braille. But just a few of them are available. However, we did not have text-books in Braille from class 6 in our days. The situation is slightly better now. As regards Braillers, these are too costly. The low-cost equipments produced in India too quickly go out of order. Refreshable Braille displays are beyond our reach. With best regards, Amiyo Biswas Cell: +91-9433464329 - Original Message - From: S R Mittal srmit...@gmail.com To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerningthe disabled.' accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired,funds books in Braille I fully agree with you Avinashji. I, that's why always support the initiatives of NIVH, AICB and NFB in the efforts of promoting Braille. As teacher-education in the area of Special Education, I always emphasise on learning Braille and other special skills by teacher trainees aspiring to become teachers of children with visual impairment. Regards Mittal -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:27 PM To: accessindia; Shireen Irani Subject: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired,funds books in Braille I do not think Braille is outdated as Mr Abidi quoted claiming in the article Better, those who have never ever used the fully developed script, and lack will-power to learn; refrain from spreading rumour about Braille through media. This script is still relevant and needs to be preserved and promoted. Withstanding the tsunami in
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
Hi, I'd like to reply to the below quoted text: 'besides, braille, in adition to improving the sense of spellings of blind persons also gives them a sense of connectedness and intimacy with the book or any other reading material. given a choice where only one out of two options between audio or braille is available, I will ordinarily go for braille.' I feel that that is a subjective issue, and opting for Braille over audio is your personal preference. I find that Braille decreases my reading speed, which would be many times faster if I was using a screen reader, but again, thats my own opinion. Though I was fairly sighted until two years ago, when my spellings were reasonably good, despite not using Braille, they are equally good at present as well. Technically, they should have worsened, but by habit I perform quick character navigation on my computer to know the spelling of a word, and as a result, my spellings are as good as before. Technically, you should have been right, but practically, according to my experience, you aren't. All the same, I agree with parts of your other opinions on this topic... On 1/18/15, Poonam poonam...@gmail.com wrote: first, my thanks to avinash for sharing this piece of information. it would indeed be better if he also takes the pain to download the article and pastes them in his mails instead of only giving the links. javed abidi's shocking remarks about braille being an outdated concept is a classic case of exhibiting one's downright ignorance about the non-negotiable value and utility of braille. braille user that I happen to be, I must say with all the emphasis at my command and with full sense of responsibility that there is no substitute for braille and that computer/electronic technology has the potential to complement braille and never ever substitute braille. I do agree that braille, like any other progressive script, has, over the years, evolved on account of technological advancements and innovations with the result, for instance, that we now have paperless braille rendering the issue around storage of braille books almost redundant. thus, the problem relating to storage of braille books can be taken care of. besides, braille, in adition to improving the sense of spellings of blind persons also gives them a sense of connectedness and intimacy with the book or any other reading material. given a choice where only one out of two options between audio or braille is available, I will ordinarily go for braille. be that as it may, mr. javed abidi and his ilk will be well advised not only to desist from making irresponsible comments, among other things, by downplaying or trivialising the value and utility of braille and that too, without any firsthand experience but should get their facts right before making any statements. moreover, as a responsible newspaper, the pioneer should have spoken to and published the views of the blind in keeping with the established and recognised norms of journalistic ethics and propriety. I do hope that the organisations of the blind will lodge their protest and resentment with the pioneer and will come out with full-throated condemnation of such irresponsible and factually erroneous remarks. Poonam. On 1/18/15, Anirban Mukherjee sparsha.anir...@gmail.com wrote: braille outdated i've seldom heard such, well, let me stop myself from giving my feelings a word,. anyway, there is no substitute of braille. i do use technology much and often. i am a strong supporter of advanced technology but having said that, holding a braille book in hand and gliding my fingers through the dots give an altogether different sensation, a thrill inexplicable, a tremendous feeling of satisfaction. had all books been available in braille, who would have hankered after expensive technologies! let's hope the initiative of the organisations with the assistance of the government, (if it indeed comes through) persons like us would rediscover our passion for this fantastic mode of written script. greetings, Anirban Mukherjee On 1/18/15, Amiyo Biswas amiyo.bis...@gmail.com wrote: I also appreciate the government's initiative to set up new Braille presses and modernise existing ones through NIVH. Let us hope that we shall get more Braille books in future. A serious problem is that we get hardly anything in Braille after school, particularly in Indian languages. I want to read my favourite Bengali books in Braille. But just a few of them are available. However, we did not have text-books in Braille from class 6 in our days. The situation is slightly better now. As regards Braillers, these are too costly. The low-cost equipments produced in India too quickly go out of order. Refreshable Braille displays are beyond our reach. With best regards, Amiyo Biswas Cell: +91-9433464329 - Original Message - From: S R Mittal srmit...@gmail.com To: 'AccessIndia: a list for
Re: [AI] Centre no more blind to visually impaired, funds books in Braille
ofcourse, it is a good initiative, but we the disabled people always think in long term perspective and be carefull that this demand is not going to segregate us from the others. therefore, in my opinion, there is need to demand online noticeboard, including mobile messages. that would long lasting, less cost, fisible and administration would think about it even in terms of tranparancy as well. so please thin of it little a bit. Celebrating Louis Braille birthday Jan4th Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
