Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

[Anil Kumar]

I had applied for UDID on 24th October 2022 and it is approved on 1st
April 2023.  The UDID number is also allocated.  But could not find
anything like down loading the card.  Let me know, is it not possible
immediately after approval or do we have to wait for sometimes to get
it downloaded?

Anil

On 3/21/23, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA  wrote:
> absolutely, secondly, it is required to upload data or verification from
> the same hospital where a person got disability certificate. Once I have
> got disability certificate from district medical board then why it is
> necessary for me to approach the same hospital for uploading data or
> online verification? as the act says that medical board certificate
> fulfill the purpose. and what for those who are having permanent
> disability certificate got 10-15 years back. will it become invalid?
>
> this cumpulsion means that I am not blind despite having medical board
> certificate until or unless i get UDID card.
>
>
>
> On 3/21/2023 4:24 PM, pavan kallem wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> I am writing this email in response to the ongoing discussions
>> regarding the implementation of UDID (Unique Disability ID) for
>> availing benefits for the disabled community from the central
>> government.
>> While I support the idea of UDID, I am concerned about the process and
>> the difficulties that people with disabilities are facing during the
>> implementation process. It has come to my notice that the process is
>> becoming more cumbersome in non-BJP ruled states like Telangana, where
>> a separate software authenticated mechanism called SADAREM is being
>> followed, which is causing inconvenience to people with disabilities.
>> I would also like to bring to your attention the contradictory
>> guidelines issued by the Union of India, where the government has
>> issued forms 4, 5, and 6 for application, permanent disability, and
>> multiple disabilities, respectively. However, the notification under
>> rule 19 clearly states that a person to whom the certificate is issued
>> under rule 18 shall be entitled to apply for facilities, concessions,
>> and benefits admissible for persons with disabilities under schemes of
>> the government and non-governmental organizations funded by the
>> government.
>> Moreover, I have learned that the government is mandating UDID cards,
>> which have not been mentioned in the primary act, nor have they been
>> mentioned in the rules issued under it. As a certified permanent
>> disability community member, I feel that the government is
>> superimposing something that is not a well-thought-out plan and does
>> not serve the purpose for which it has been brought.
>> Therefore, I urge the government to firstly ensure that every person
>> with disability gets a UDID card and secondly, to remove the
>> contradictory notifications that are causing confusion among the
>> disabled community. The government should consider every process that
>> it mandates, and it should not be a burden for people with
>> disabilities.
>> If someone is ready to help me get a UDID card, please contact me at
>> the number provided below.
>> Thank you for your attention to this matter.
>>
>> On 3/21/23, George Abraham  wrote:
>>> I had downloaded , printed and laminated the UDID card in Feb 2022. I
>>> have
>>> not yet received the printed card that was sent to me by post in May
>>> 2022.
>>> Have also managed to download the UDID card onto my Digi Locker. I
>>> wonder
>>> whether it is necessary to have the printed card that the Govt mails.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>>> [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in]
>>> On Behalf Of Harish Kotian
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2023 12:04 PM
>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in; Pranav Lal
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Issues with UDID
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Pranav
>>>
>>> Certainly, the portal needs to be fully accessible. This also includes
>>> error
>>> messages. Check on the file size to upload. Perhaps the portal would be
>>> having some issue then.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I had applied for UDID long back. It kept on showing the status referred
>>> to
>>> district hospital. Last friday I visited the civil hospital and the
>>> doctors
>>> uploaded the requisite data.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday the status showed processing for printing. On login, I could
>>> download the card.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>&g

Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

[BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA]

absolutely, secondly, it is required to upload data or verification from 
the same hospital where a person got disability certificate. Once I have 
got disability certificate from district medical board then why it is 
necessary for me to approach the same hospital for uploading data or 
online verification? as the act says that medical board certificate 
fulfill the purpose. and what for those who are having permanent 
disability certificate got 10-15 years back. will it become invalid?


this cumpulsion means that I am not blind despite having medical board 
certificate until or unless i get UDID card.




On 3/21/2023 4:24 PM, pavan kallem wrote:

Dear all,
I am writing this email in response to the ongoing discussions
regarding the implementation of UDID (Unique Disability ID) for
availing benefits for the disabled community from the central
government.
While I support the idea of UDID, I am concerned about the process and
the difficulties that people with disabilities are facing during the
implementation process. It has come to my notice that the process is
becoming more cumbersome in non-BJP ruled states like Telangana, where
a separate software authenticated mechanism called SADAREM is being
followed, which is causing inconvenience to people with disabilities.
I would also like to bring to your attention the contradictory
guidelines issued by the Union of India, where the government has
issued forms 4, 5, and 6 for application, permanent disability, and
multiple disabilities, respectively. However, the notification under
rule 19 clearly states that a person to whom the certificate is issued
under rule 18 shall be entitled to apply for facilities, concessions,
and benefits admissible for persons with disabilities under schemes of
the government and non-governmental organizations funded by the
government.
Moreover, I have learned that the government is mandating UDID cards,
which have not been mentioned in the primary act, nor have they been
mentioned in the rules issued under it. As a certified permanent
disability community member, I feel that the government is
superimposing something that is not a well-thought-out plan and does
not serve the purpose for which it has been brought.
Therefore, I urge the government to firstly ensure that every person
with disability gets a UDID card and secondly, to remove the
contradictory notifications that are causing confusion among the
disabled community. The government should consider every process that
it mandates, and it should not be a burden for people with
disabilities.
If someone is ready to help me get a UDID card, please contact me at
the number provided below.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.

On 3/21/23, George Abraham  wrote:

I had downloaded , printed and laminated the UDID card in Feb 2022. I have
not yet received the printed card that was sent to me by post in May 2022.
Have also managed to download the UDID card onto my Digi Locker. I wonder
whether it is necessary to have the printed card that the Govt mails.



From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in]
On Behalf Of Harish Kotian
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2023 12:04 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in; Pranav Lal
Subject: Re: [AI] Issues with UDID



Hi Pranav

Certainly, the portal needs to be fully accessible. This also includes error
messages. Check on the file size to upload. Perhaps the portal would be
having some issue then.



I had applied for UDID long back. It kept on showing the status referred to
district hospital. Last friday I visited the civil hospital and the doctors
uploaded the requisite data.



On Monday the status showed processing for printing. On login, I could
download the card.



The process certainly is made simple now.

Harish



On 21/03/2023 07:28, Pranav Lal wrote:

I have tried applying for the udit card and that is the first obstacle. I
filled the form but was unable to move to the next step and did not get any
error message telling me what was wrong.



Pranav



From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
<mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>  On
Behalf Of Muralidharan Vishwanath
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 10:11 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Issues with UDID



Thanks for the feedback



On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 11:29 PM Avichal Bhatnagar 
wrote:

I strongly support the step to make UDID mandatory, as it will help in
removing the unwanted beneficiaries out of the system, like how the
linking of DBT with aadhaar helped in removing lakhs of fraudulent
beneficiaries.
It may also curb to an extent the problem of low vision people
pretending to be totally blind.
That said, we must also hold a dialogue with the department of persons
with disabilities and suggest them measures to expedite the process of
making UDID easily available and accessible to all.
One way could be to rope in the NGO's working at the ground level
especially in the rural areas for organising camps for mass
enrollment.
A

Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

[pavan kallem]

Dear all,
I am writing this email in response to the ongoing discussions
regarding the implementation of UDID (Unique Disability ID) for
availing benefits for the disabled community from the central
government.
While I support the idea of UDID, I am concerned about the process and
the difficulties that people with disabilities are facing during the
implementation process. It has come to my notice that the process is
becoming more cumbersome in non-BJP ruled states like Telangana, where
a separate software authenticated mechanism called SADAREM is being
followed, which is causing inconvenience to people with disabilities.
I would also like to bring to your attention the contradictory
guidelines issued by the Union of India, where the government has
issued forms 4, 5, and 6 for application, permanent disability, and
multiple disabilities, respectively. However, the notification under
rule 19 clearly states that a person to whom the certificate is issued
under rule 18 shall be entitled to apply for facilities, concessions,
and benefits admissible for persons with disabilities under schemes of
the government and non-governmental organizations funded by the
government.
Moreover, I have learned that the government is mandating UDID cards,
which have not been mentioned in the primary act, nor have they been
mentioned in the rules issued under it. As a certified permanent
disability community member, I feel that the government is
superimposing something that is not a well-thought-out plan and does
not serve the purpose for which it has been brought.
Therefore, I urge the government to firstly ensure that every person
with disability gets a UDID card and secondly, to remove the
contradictory notifications that are causing confusion among the
disabled community. The government should consider every process that
it mandates, and it should not be a burden for people with
disabilities.
If someone is ready to help me get a UDID card, please contact me at
the number provided below.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.

On 3/21/23, George Abraham  wrote:
> I had downloaded , printed and laminated the UDID card in Feb 2022. I have
> not yet received the printed card that was sent to me by post in May 2022.
> Have also managed to download the UDID card onto my Digi Locker. I wonder
> whether it is necessary to have the printed card that the Govt mails.
>
>
>
> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in]
> On Behalf Of Harish Kotian
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2023 12:04 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in; Pranav Lal
> Subject: Re: [AI] Issues with UDID
>
>
>
> Hi Pranav
>
> Certainly, the portal needs to be fully accessible. This also includes error
> messages. Check on the file size to upload. Perhaps the portal would be
> having some issue then.
>
>
>
> I had applied for UDID long back. It kept on showing the status referred to
> district hospital. Last friday I visited the civil hospital and the doctors
> uploaded the requisite data.
>
>
>
> On Monday the status showed processing for printing. On login, I could
> download the card.
>
>
>
> The process certainly is made simple now.
>
> Harish
>
>
>
> On 21/03/2023 07:28, Pranav Lal wrote:
>
> I have tried applying for the udit card and that is the first obstacle. I
> filled the form but was unable to move to the next step and did not get any
> error message telling me what was wrong.
>
>
>
> Pranav
>
>
>
> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>  On
> Behalf Of Muralidharan Vishwanath
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 10:11 AM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] Issues with UDID
>
>
>
> Thanks for the feedback
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 11:29 PM Avichal Bhatnagar 
> wrote:
>
> I strongly support the step to make UDID mandatory, as it will help in
> removing the unwanted beneficiaries out of the system, like how the
> linking of DBT with aadhaar helped in removing lakhs of fraudulent
> beneficiaries.
> It may also curb to an extent the problem of low vision people
> pretending to be totally blind.
> That said, we must also hold a dialogue with the department of persons
> with disabilities and suggest them measures to expedite the process of
> making UDID easily available and accessible to all.
> One way could be to rope in the NGO's working at the ground level
> especially in the rural areas for organising camps for mass
> enrollment.
> Another way could be to advertise about UDID far and wide on various
> channels of mass communication such as radio stations, TV channels,
> newspapers etc like how other schemes are publicised.
> Also, various schools/centres catering to the educational needs of the
> disable

RE: [AI] Issues with UDID

[George Abraham]

I had downloaded , printed and laminated the UDID card in Feb 2022. I have not 
yet received the printed card that was sent to me by post in May 2022. Have 
also managed to download the UDID card onto my Digi Locker. I wonder whether it 
is necessary to have the printed card that the Govt mails.  

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Harish Kotian
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2023 12:04 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in; Pranav Lal
Subject: Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

 

Hi Pranav

Certainly, the portal needs to be fully accessible. This also includes error 
messages. Check on the file size to upload. Perhaps the portal would be having 
some issue then.

 

I had applied for UDID long back. It kept on showing the status referred to 
district hospital. Last friday I visited the civil hospital and the doctors 
uploaded the requisite data.

 

On Monday the status showed processing for printing. On login, I could download 
the card.

 

The process certainly is made simple now.

Harish

 

On 21/03/2023 07:28, Pranav Lal wrote:

I have tried applying for the udit card and that is the first obstacle. I 
filled the form but was unable to move to the next step and did not get any 
error message telling me what was wrong.

 

Pranav 

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> 
 On Behalf Of Muralidharan Vishwanath
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 10:11 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

 

Thanks for the feedback

 

On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 11:29 PM Avichal Bhatnagar  
wrote:

I strongly support the step to make UDID mandatory, as it will help in
removing the unwanted beneficiaries out of the system, like how the
linking of DBT with aadhaar helped in removing lakhs of fraudulent
beneficiaries.
It may also curb to an extent the problem of low vision people
pretending to be totally blind.
That said, we must also hold a dialogue with the department of persons
with disabilities and suggest them measures to expedite the process of
making UDID easily available and accessible to all.
One way could be to rope in the NGO's working at the ground level
especially in the rural areas for organising camps for mass
enrollment.
Another way could be to advertise about UDID far and wide on various
channels of mass communication such as radio stations, TV channels,
newspapers etc like how other schemes are publicised.
Also, various schools/centres catering to the educational needs of the
disabled can be requested to collate the data and help the
students/trainees to apply.
Similarly, the local bodies such as the panchayats and municipalities
can also be made co-partners.
Making UDID mandatory becomes necessary as without the need, nobody cares.





On 3/19/23, Pinkesh Tailor  wrote:
> On 3/19/23, Pinkesh Tailor  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Currently instead of making mandatory, we must insist the government
>> to first link all the benefits offered to PWD's with udid. Once this
>> is done, most of the pwd's would also then make their way to avail the
>> udid card. Secondly in respect to the issue of the difficulty in
>> getting udid card or adhaar card etc is concern, the government need
>> to facilitate this by empowering the organization who are working for
>> the development of pwd. Once this is taken care, udid would
>> automatically be a mandatory element.
>>
>> On 3/19/23, Muralidharan Vishwanath  wrote:
>>> This has nothing to do with sim cards
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 6:45 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does this exclusion applies  in obtaining sim cards?  Despite having
>>>> Aadhar card, some totally blind  folks are denied sim card due to
>>>> inability
>>>> of  that software to recognise our iris.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
>>>> *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Ram
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2023 2:07 PM
>>>> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Issues with UDID
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do not understand why you are refused Aadhar Card because your retina
>>>> can't be scanned. In fact, there is  a provision in the Aadhar software
>>>> itself to exclude IRIS scan for VI persons.
>>>>
>>>> Try visiting some another enrolment center and i am sure you will
>>>> succeed
>>>>
>>>> I have observed that the agents are neither properly trained nor
>>>> educated
>>>> 

Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

[Harish Kotian]

Hi Pranav

Certainly, the portal needs to be fully accessible. This also includes 
error messages. Check on the file size to upload. Perhaps the portal 
would be having some issue then.



I had applied for UDID long back. It kept on showing the status referred 
to district hospital. Last friday I visited the civil hospital and the 
doctors uploaded the requisite data.



On Monday the status showed processing for printing. On login, I could 
download the card.


The process certainly is made simple now.

Harish


On 21/03/2023 07:28, Pranav Lal wrote:


I have tried applying for the udit card and that is the first 
obstacle. I filled the form but was unable to move to the next step 
and did not get any error message telling me what was wrong.


Pranav

*From:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
 *On Behalf Of *Muralidharan Vishwanath

*Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2023 10:11 AM
*To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
*Subject:* Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

Thanks for the feedback

On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 11:29 PM Avichal Bhatnagar 
 wrote:


I strongly support the step to make UDID mandatory, as it will help in
removing the unwanted beneficiaries out of the system, like how the
linking of DBT with aadhaar helped in removing lakhs of fraudulent
beneficiaries.
It may also curb to an extent the problem of low vision people
pretending to be totally blind.
That said, we must also hold a dialogue with the department of persons
with disabilities and suggest them measures to expedite the process of
making UDID easily available and accessible to all.
One way could be to rope in the NGO's working at the ground level
especially in the rural areas for organising camps for mass
enrollment.
Another way could be to advertise about UDID far and wide on various
channels of mass communication such as radio stations, TV channels,
newspapers etc like how other schemes are publicised.
Also, various schools/centres catering to the educational needs of the
disabled can be requested to collate the data and help the
students/trainees to apply.
Similarly, the local bodies such as the panchayats and municipalities
can also be made co-partners.
Making UDID mandatory becomes necessary as without the need,
nobody cares.





On 3/19/23, Pinkesh Tailor  wrote:
> On 3/19/23, Pinkesh Tailor  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Currently instead of making mandatory, we must insist the
government
>> to first link all the benefits offered to PWD's with udid. Once
this
>> is done, most of the pwd's would also then make their way to
avail the
>> udid card. Secondly in respect to the issue of the difficulty in
>> getting udid card or adhaar card etc is concern, the government
need
>> to facilitate this by empowering the organization who are
working for
>> the development of pwd. Once this is taken care, udid would
>> automatically be a mandatory element.
>>
>> On 3/19/23, Muralidharan Vishwanath 
wrote:
>>> This has nothing to do with sim cards
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 6:45 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does this exclusion applies  in obtaining sim cards?  Despite
having
>>>> Aadhar card, some totally blind  folks are denied sim card due to
>>>> inability
>>>> of  that software to recognise our iris.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
    >>>> *From:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in

>>>> *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Ram
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2023 2:07 PM
>>>> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Issues with UDID
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do not understand why you are refused Aadhar Card because
your retina
>>>> can't be scanned. In fact, there is  a provision in the
Aadhar software
>>>> itself to exclude IRIS scan for VI persons.
>>>>
>>>> Try visiting some another enrolment center and i am sure you will
>>>> succeed
>>>>
>>>> I have observed that the agents are neither properly trained nor
>>>> educated
>>>> to handel special cases.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Y

RE: [AI] Issues with UDID

[Pranav Lal]

I have tried applying for the udit card and that is the first obstacle. I 
filled the form but was unable to move to the next step and did not get any 
error message telling me what was wrong.

 

Pranav 

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of Muralidharan Vishwanath
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 10:11 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

 

Thanks for the feedback

 

On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 11:29 PM Avichal Bhatnagar mailto:coolavic...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I strongly support the step to make UDID mandatory, as it will help in
removing the unwanted beneficiaries out of the system, like how the
linking of DBT with aadhaar helped in removing lakhs of fraudulent
beneficiaries.
It may also curb to an extent the problem of low vision people
pretending to be totally blind.
That said, we must also hold a dialogue with the department of persons
with disabilities and suggest them measures to expedite the process of
making UDID easily available and accessible to all.
One way could be to rope in the NGO's working at the ground level
especially in the rural areas for organising camps for mass
enrollment.
Another way could be to advertise about UDID far and wide on various
channels of mass communication such as radio stations, TV channels,
newspapers etc like how other schemes are publicised.
Also, various schools/centres catering to the educational needs of the
disabled can be requested to collate the data and help the
students/trainees to apply.
Similarly, the local bodies such as the panchayats and municipalities
can also be made co-partners.
Making UDID mandatory becomes necessary as without the need, nobody cares.





On 3/19/23, Pinkesh Tailor mailto:pinkesh.tai...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> On 3/19/23, Pinkesh Tailor  <mailto:pinkesh.tai...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Currently instead of making mandatory, we must insist the government
>> to first link all the benefits offered to PWD's with udid. Once this
>> is done, most of the pwd's would also then make their way to avail the
>> udid card. Secondly in respect to the issue of the difficulty in
>> getting udid card or adhaar card etc is concern, the government need
>> to facilitate this by empowering the organization who are working for
>> the development of pwd. Once this is taken care, udid would
>> automatically be a mandatory element.
>>
>> On 3/19/23, Muralidharan Vishwanath  wrote:
>>> This has nothing to do with sim cards
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 6:45 PM >> <mailto:ilovec...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does this exclusion applies  in obtaining sim cards?  Despite having
>>>> Aadhar card, some totally blind  folks are denied sim card due to
>>>> inability
>>>> of  that software to recognise our iris.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
>>>> <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>  >>> <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >
>>>> *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Ram
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2023 2:07 PM
>>>> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
>>>> <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> 
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Issues with UDID
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do not understand why you are refused Aadhar Card because your retina
>>>> can't be scanned. In fact, there is  a provision in the Aadhar software
>>>> itself to exclude IRIS scan for VI persons.
>>>>
>>>> Try visiting some another enrolment center and i am sure you will
>>>> succeed
>>>>
>>>> I have observed that the agents are neither properly trained nor
>>>> educated
>>>> to handel special cases.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) >>> <mailto:ykhan...@gmail.com> >
>>>>
>>>> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
>>>> <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> 
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2023 12:55 PM
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Issues with UDID
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Muralidharan,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for taking up these matters. I pray you meet some success.

Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

[Muralidharan Vishwanath]

Thanks for the feedback

On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 11:29 PM Avichal Bhatnagar 
wrote:

> I strongly support the step to make UDID mandatory, as it will help in
> removing the unwanted beneficiaries out of the system, like how the
> linking of DBT with aadhaar helped in removing lakhs of fraudulent
> beneficiaries.
> It may also curb to an extent the problem of low vision people
> pretending to be totally blind.
> That said, we must also hold a dialogue with the department of persons
> with disabilities and suggest them measures to expedite the process of
> making UDID easily available and accessible to all.
> One way could be to rope in the NGO's working at the ground level
> especially in the rural areas for organising camps for mass
> enrollment.
> Another way could be to advertise about UDID far and wide on various
> channels of mass communication such as radio stations, TV channels,
> newspapers etc like how other schemes are publicised.
> Also, various schools/centres catering to the educational needs of the
> disabled can be requested to collate the data and help the
> students/trainees to apply.
> Similarly, the local bodies such as the panchayats and municipalities
> can also be made co-partners.
> Making UDID mandatory becomes necessary as without the need, nobody cares.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3/19/23, Pinkesh Tailor  wrote:
> > On 3/19/23, Pinkesh Tailor  wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Currently instead of making mandatory, we must insist the government
> >> to first link all the benefits offered to PWD's with udid. Once this
> >> is done, most of the pwd's would also then make their way to avail the
> >> udid card. Secondly in respect to the issue of the difficulty in
> >> getting udid card or adhaar card etc is concern, the government need
> >> to facilitate this by empowering the organization who are working for
> >> the development of pwd. Once this is taken care, udid would
> >> automatically be a mandatory element.
> >>
> >> On 3/19/23, Muralidharan Vishwanath  wrote:
> >>> This has nothing to do with sim cards
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 6:45 PM  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Does this exclusion applies  in obtaining sim cards?  Despite having
> >>>> Aadhar card, some totally blind  folks are denied sim card due to
> >>>> inability
> >>>> of  that software to recognise our iris.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> *From:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in <
> accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
> >>>> *On
> >>>> Behalf Of *Ram
> >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2023 2:07 PM
> >>>> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Issues with UDID
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I do not understand why you are refused Aadhar Card because your
> retina
> >>>> can't be scanned. In fact, there is  a provision in the Aadhar
> software
> >>>> itself to exclude IRIS scan for VI persons.
> >>>>
> >>>> Try visiting some another enrolment center and i am sure you will
> >>>> succeed
> >>>>
> >>>> I have observed that the agents are neither properly trained nor
> >>>> educated
> >>>> to handel special cases.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> *From:* Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) 
> >>>>
> >>>> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> >>>>
> >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2023 12:55 PM
> >>>>
> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Issues with UDID
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear Muralidharan,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you for taking up these matters. I pray you meet some success.
> In
> >>>> India it seems a lot of this is going on: They make something
> >>>> inaccessible
> >>>> to achieve, manditory to achieve. Everybody should have 5 biscuits
> each
> >>>> from the packet of biscuits, but there is an empty bisc

Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

[Avichal Bhatnagar]

I strongly support the step to make UDID mandatory, as it will help in
removing the unwanted beneficiaries out of the system, like how the
linking of DBT with aadhaar helped in removing lakhs of fraudulent
beneficiaries.
It may also curb to an extent the problem of low vision people
pretending to be totally blind.
That said, we must also hold a dialogue with the department of persons
with disabilities and suggest them measures to expedite the process of
making UDID easily available and accessible to all.
One way could be to rope in the NGO's working at the ground level
especially in the rural areas for organising camps for mass
enrollment.
Another way could be to advertise about UDID far and wide on various
channels of mass communication such as radio stations, TV channels,
newspapers etc like how other schemes are publicised.
Also, various schools/centres catering to the educational needs of the
disabled can be requested to collate the data and help the
students/trainees to apply.
Similarly, the local bodies such as the panchayats and municipalities
can also be made co-partners.
Making UDID mandatory becomes necessary as without the need, nobody cares.





On 3/19/23, Pinkesh Tailor  wrote:
> On 3/19/23, Pinkesh Tailor  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Currently instead of making mandatory, we must insist the government
>> to first link all the benefits offered to PWD's with udid. Once this
>> is done, most of the pwd's would also then make their way to avail the
>> udid card. Secondly in respect to the issue of the difficulty in
>> getting udid card or adhaar card etc is concern, the government need
>> to facilitate this by empowering the organization who are working for
>> the development of pwd. Once this is taken care, udid would
>> automatically be a mandatory element.
>>
>> On 3/19/23, Muralidharan Vishwanath  wrote:
>>> This has nothing to do with sim cards
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 6:45 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does this exclusion applies  in obtaining sim cards?  Despite having
>>>> Aadhar card, some totally blind  folks are denied sim card due to
>>>> inability
>>>> of  that software to recognise our iris.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
>>>> *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Ram
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2023 2:07 PM
>>>> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Issues with UDID
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do not understand why you are refused Aadhar Card because your retina
>>>> can't be scanned. In fact, there is  a provision in the Aadhar software
>>>> itself to exclude IRIS scan for VI persons.
>>>>
>>>> Try visiting some another enrolment center and i am sure you will
>>>> succeed
>>>>
>>>> I have observed that the agents are neither properly trained nor
>>>> educated
>>>> to handel special cases.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) 
>>>>
>>>> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2023 12:55 PM
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Issues with UDID
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Muralidharan,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for taking up these matters. I pray you meet some success. In
>>>> India it seems a lot of this is going on: They make something
>>>> inaccessible
>>>> to achieve, manditory to achieve. Everybody should have 5 biscuits each
>>>> from the packet of biscuits, but there is an empty biscuit packet on
>>>> the
>>>> table even before the distribution to all the attendees. This is my
>>>> experience having come to India. Very sad and ironical. Aadhaar for the
>>>> blind is impossible here in Vrindavana because the agents say the
>>>> retina
>>>> scan cannot be bypassed. Without Aadhaar I cannot get UDID either. When
>>>> I
>>>> went to buy my home, they refused because a blind person cannot own
>>>> property. We have to be linked with a sighted person who has Aadhaar so
>>>> that the property can be registered with the sighted person’s name. I
>&g

Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

[Pinkesh Tailor]

On 3/19/23, Pinkesh Tailor  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Currently instead of making mandatory, we must insist the government
> to first link all the benefits offered to PWD's with udid. Once this
> is done, most of the pwd's would also then make their way to avail the
> udid card. Secondly in respect to the issue of the difficulty in
> getting udid card or adhaar card etc is concern, the government need
> to facilitate this by empowering the organization who are working for
> the development of pwd. Once this is taken care, udid would
> automatically be a mandatory element.
>
> On 3/19/23, Muralidharan Vishwanath  wrote:
>> This has nothing to do with sim cards
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 6:45 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Does this exclusion applies  in obtaining sim cards?  Despite having
>>> Aadhar card, some totally blind  folks are denied sim card due to
>>> inability
>>> of  that software to recognise our iris.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
>>> *On
>>> Behalf Of *Ram
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2023 2:07 PM
>>> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Issues with UDID
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I do not understand why you are refused Aadhar Card because your retina
>>> can't be scanned. In fact, there is  a provision in the Aadhar software
>>> itself to exclude IRIS scan for VI persons.
>>>
>>> Try visiting some another enrolment center and i am sure you will
>>> succeed
>>>
>>> I have observed that the agents are neither properly trained nor
>>> educated
>>> to handel special cases.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) 
>>>
>>> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2023 12:55 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Issues with UDID
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Muralidharan,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for taking up these matters. I pray you meet some success. In
>>> India it seems a lot of this is going on: They make something
>>> inaccessible
>>> to achieve, manditory to achieve. Everybody should have 5 biscuits each
>>> from the packet of biscuits, but there is an empty biscuit packet on the
>>> table even before the distribution to all the attendees. This is my
>>> experience having come to India. Very sad and ironical. Aadhaar for the
>>> blind is impossible here in Vrindavana because the agents say the retina
>>> scan cannot be bypassed. Without Aadhaar I cannot get UDID either. When
>>> I
>>> went to buy my home, they refused because a blind person cannot own
>>> property. We have to be linked with a sighted person who has Aadhaar so
>>> that the property can be registered with the sighted person’s name. I am
>>> very hurt by this behaviour in India, and there seems to be no authority
>>> in
>>> place who really cares to actually do something.
>>>
>>> Can you please help me? Very pained and frustrated. Sometimes I feel
>>> life
>>> was better under our former captivity of slave-owners and later the
>>> African
>>> leadership who hate Indians in Africa. I came to India to become free.
>>> How
>>> wrong was I? Now having returned home after 4 generations away, I return
>>> home only to find we are slaves here to a highly corrupt and
>>> disorganized
>>> administration. For example, the National number for the Aadhaar
>>> Helpdesk
>>> is 1947. Guess what! Only problem is it does not exist!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot however for doing what you can. Evidently you are fighting
>>> a
>>> very difficult battle and my heart is with you. May Bhagavan Sri
>>> Ramachandra who was the most organized and loved King on Earth, walk
>>> with
>>> you – no – carry you through this fight.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yoganathan Khandoo (Yamuna Jivana Dasa)
>>>
>>> *From:* Muralidharan Vishwanath 
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2023 11:39 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>>>
>>> *Subject:* [AI] Issues with UDID
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mar

Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

[Pinkesh Tailor]

Hi,

Currently instead of making mandatory, we must insist the government
to first link all the benefits offered to PWD's with udid. Once this
is done, most of the pwd's would also then make their way to avail the
udid card. Secondly in respect to the issue of the difficulty in
getting udid card or adhaar card etc is concern, the government need
to facilitate this by empowering the organization who are working for
the development of pwd. Once this is taken care, udid would
automatically be a mandatory element.

On 3/19/23, Muralidharan Vishwanath  wrote:
> This has nothing to do with sim cards
>
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 6:45 PM  wrote:
>
>> Does this exclusion applies  in obtaining sim cards?  Despite having
>> Aadhar card, some totally blind  folks are denied sim card due to
>> inability
>> of  that software to recognise our iris.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
>> *On
>> Behalf Of *Ram
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2023 2:07 PM
>> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Issues with UDID
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I do not understand why you are refused Aadhar Card because your retina
>> can't be scanned. In fact, there is  a provision in the Aadhar software
>> itself to exclude IRIS scan for VI persons.
>>
>> Try visiting some another enrolment center and i am sure you will succeed
>>
>> I have observed that the agents are neither properly trained nor educated
>> to handel special cases.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) 
>>
>> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2023 12:55 PM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Issues with UDID
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Muralidharan,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for taking up these matters. I pray you meet some success. In
>> India it seems a lot of this is going on: They make something
>> inaccessible
>> to achieve, manditory to achieve. Everybody should have 5 biscuits each
>> from the packet of biscuits, but there is an empty biscuit packet on the
>> table even before the distribution to all the attendees. This is my
>> experience having come to India. Very sad and ironical. Aadhaar for the
>> blind is impossible here in Vrindavana because the agents say the retina
>> scan cannot be bypassed. Without Aadhaar I cannot get UDID either. When I
>> went to buy my home, they refused because a blind person cannot own
>> property. We have to be linked with a sighted person who has Aadhaar so
>> that the property can be registered with the sighted person’s name. I am
>> very hurt by this behaviour in India, and there seems to be no authority
>> in
>> place who really cares to actually do something.
>>
>> Can you please help me? Very pained and frustrated. Sometimes I feel life
>> was better under our former captivity of slave-owners and later the
>> African
>> leadership who hate Indians in Africa. I came to India to become free.
>> How
>> wrong was I? Now having returned home after 4 generations away, I return
>> home only to find we are slaves here to a highly corrupt and disorganized
>> administration. For example, the National number for the Aadhaar Helpdesk
>> is 1947. Guess what! Only problem is it does not exist!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks a lot however for doing what you can. Evidently you are fighting a
>> very difficult battle and my heart is with you. May Bhagavan Sri
>> Ramachandra who was the most organized and loved King on Earth, walk with
>> you – no – carry you through this fight.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yoganathan Khandoo (Yamuna Jivana Dasa)
>>
>> *From:* Muralidharan Vishwanath 
>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2023 11:39 AM
>>
>> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>>
>> *Subject:* [AI] Issues with UDID
>>
>>
>>
>> March 18, 2023
>>
>>
>>
>> As all of you are aware, the UDID is being made mandatory from April 1,
>> 2023 for registering for central government schemes.
>>
>>
>>
>> This even while more than half of the disabled who have certificates,
>> have
>> not been issued UDID or have enrolled but not been issued certificates,
>> or
>> have been unable to enroll for it, due to various issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> UDID is being made compulsory even when central government’s own
>> ministries/departments viz. railways, for admissions to 

Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

[Sandesh]

See the language.

It's absolutely clear that need for such universal card was recognised by many 
organisations working in field. Hence, without any doubt, it was a collective 
effort.
But as usual, NPRD can't keep it away from claiming like it's the only 
organisation or it is the first which does all that is for the betterment of 
disability field. very bad approach indeed. In short, such myths or claims are 
automatically dispelled.
After observing all comments on the subject, I could not keep myself from 
expressing my bits too.
Regards

Vande Mataram

- Original Message - 
  From: Muralidharan Vishwanath 
  To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
  Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 10:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [AI] Issues with UDID


  For your information, it is the NPRD which advocated for a universally valid 
ID for disabled right at its inception in 2010.
  It was also  at the NPRD's behest that the universal validity of the 
disability certificate was incorporated into the RPD Act, 2016.


  Therefore, the allegation that we are attempting to"stalling" this effort is 
baseless and malafide. (I am sure, I too will be kicked out of the list now).


  But the DEPwD is setting a deadline of April 1, 2023 even while more than 
half of the disabled population who possess disability certificates have not 
been issued UDID cards. How can this be accepted?


  Secondly, the central government's own departments do not accept the UDID - 
railways for instance insists that one should procure the card that it is 
issuing. Every year several cases are highlighted of MBBS aspirants whose UDID 
cards are rejected and a reverification of their disability done at designated 
centres. This defeats the very purpose of the UDID. 


  I am not going into the various issues with the procurement of UDID that 
people face, that is a different matter.


  The NPRD's interest is to see that all disabled are able to get UDID in a 
hassle free process. When the disability certificate is replaced by the UDID 
and becomes valid for all purposes, it is natural that it will become mandatory 
(like the certificate earlier) for availing any scheme. 


  What we have asked for is the difficulties that people are facing in the 
procurement of the UDID so that we can take it up with the government. Let me 
make it loud and clear. We have not and do not intend to stall or oppose the 
UDID.


  All the best sathiyo.



  On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:52 AM Harish Kotian  wrote:

Hi

It is my personal opinion that UDID should be made mandatory for availing 
all services for the disabled.It should be the only identification means for 
authenticating disability.




Having said this, all the services should be put in place before the D date 
and scaling  up should be fully factored in. There are numerous benefits to us 
through UDID. We should not fall into the temptation of stalling the effort and 
rather we should clearly not join them. 





There may be some difficulty for sometime. That always happens during 
transition. As what they say, you don't throw the baby with the bathwater 





I am well aware, there is going to be sharp reactions to my line of 
thought, however I am convinced UDID is progressive and disabled friendly and 
this is the most important thing which can make huge changes for our benefit. 





Harish




On 19/03/2023 06:43, bhawani shankar verma wrote:

  UDID should not be mada mandatory. we must fight collectively for it. 


  On Sat, 18 Mar 2023, 9:09 pm Amar Jain,  wrote:

I would like to help you out to address your concerns. I am a corporate 
lawyer and have an interface with the authorities you are struggling with. 


Is there a way we can speak? I am reachable on 9892622230. Thank you.


Sent from my iPhone


  On 18-Mar-2023, at 12:55 PM, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) 
 wrote:


   
  Dear Muralidharan,

  Thank you for taking up these matters. I pray you meet some success. 
In India it seems a lot of this is going on: They make something inaccessible 
to achieve, manditory to achieve. Everybody should have 5 biscuits each from 
the packet of biscuits, but there is an empty biscuit packet on the table even 
before the distribution to all the attendees. This is my experience having come 
to India. Very sad and ironical. Aadhaar for the blind is impossible here in 
Vrindavana because the agents say the retina scan cannot be bypassed. Without 
Aadhaar I cannot get UDID either. When I went to buy my home, they refused 
because a blind person cannot own property. We have to be linked with a sighted 
person who has Aadhaar so that the property can be registered with the sighted 
person’s name. I am very hurt by this behaviour in India, and there seems to be 
no authority in place who really cares to actually do something.
  Can you please help me? Very pained and frustrated. Sometimes I feel 
life was better

Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

[Muralidharan Vishwanath]

This has nothing to do with sim cards

On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 6:45 PM  wrote:

> Does this exclusion applies  in obtaining sim cards?  Despite having
> Aadhar card, some totally blind  folks are denied sim card due to inability
> of  that software to recognise our iris.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in  *On
> Behalf Of *Ram
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2023 2:07 PM
> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Issues with UDID
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I do not understand why you are refused Aadhar Card because your retina
> can't be scanned. In fact, there is  a provision in the Aadhar software
> itself to exclude IRIS scan for VI persons.
>
> Try visiting some another enrolment center and i am sure you will succeed
>
> I have observed that the agents are neither properly trained nor educated
> to handel special cases.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) 
>
> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2023 12:55 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Issues with UDID
>
>
>
> Dear Muralidharan,
>
>
>
> Thank you for taking up these matters. I pray you meet some success. In
> India it seems a lot of this is going on: They make something inaccessible
> to achieve, manditory to achieve. Everybody should have 5 biscuits each
> from the packet of biscuits, but there is an empty biscuit packet on the
> table even before the distribution to all the attendees. This is my
> experience having come to India. Very sad and ironical. Aadhaar for the
> blind is impossible here in Vrindavana because the agents say the retina
> scan cannot be bypassed. Without Aadhaar I cannot get UDID either. When I
> went to buy my home, they refused because a blind person cannot own
> property. We have to be linked with a sighted person who has Aadhaar so
> that the property can be registered with the sighted person’s name. I am
> very hurt by this behaviour in India, and there seems to be no authority in
> place who really cares to actually do something.
>
> Can you please help me? Very pained and frustrated. Sometimes I feel life
> was better under our former captivity of slave-owners and later the African
> leadership who hate Indians in Africa. I came to India to become free. How
> wrong was I? Now having returned home after 4 generations away, I return
> home only to find we are slaves here to a highly corrupt and disorganized
> administration. For example, the National number for the Aadhaar Helpdesk
> is 1947. Guess what! Only problem is it does not exist!!!
>
>
>
> Thanks a lot however for doing what you can. Evidently you are fighting a
> very difficult battle and my heart is with you. May Bhagavan Sri
> Ramachandra who was the most organized and loved King on Earth, walk with
> you – no – carry you through this fight.
>
>
>
> Yoganathan Khandoo (Yamuna Jivana Dasa)
>
> *From:* Muralidharan Vishwanath 
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2023 11:39 AM
>
> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>
> *Subject:* [AI] Issues with UDID
>
>
>
> March 18, 2023
>
>
>
> As all of you are aware, the UDID is being made mandatory from April 1,
> 2023 for registering for central government schemes.
>
>
>
> This even while more than half of the disabled who have certificates, have
> not been issued UDID or have enrolled but not been issued certificates, or
> have been unable to enroll for it, due to various issues.
>
>
>
> UDID is being made compulsory even when central government’s own
> ministries/departments viz. railways, for admissions to MBBS, for
> recruitment in jobs,  or many institutes of higher learning are refusing to
> accept the validity of the card
>
>
>
> The NPRD has written to the DEPwD objecting to the mandatory imposition of
> the UDID.
>
>
>
> It has also raised the issue of the refusal by various departments to
> accept its validity.
>
>
>
> Notwithstanding this, we would like to list before the department, the
> issues that the disabled are facing with regard to procuring UDID.
>
>
>
> One of the main issues that has been identified especially in the rural
> areas is about non-availability of seva kendras, private centres charging
> hefty amounts, or they being far away including their inaccessibility.
> Second issue identified is about card not being issued despite passage of a
> long time after enrollment.
>
>
>
> We are seeking a meeting with the Secretary DEPwD next week. The issues
> that we are attempting to list will be placed before him.
>
>
>
> You are requested to assist us by informing us of the 

RE: [AI] Issues with UDID

[ilovecold]

Does this exclusion applies  in obtaining sim cards?  Despite having Aadhar 
card, some totally blind  folks are denied sim card due to inability of  that 
software to recognise our iris.

 

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of Ram
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 2:07 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

 

 

 

Hi,

 

I do not understand why you are refused Aadhar Card because your retina can't 
be scanned. In fact, there is  a provision in the Aadhar software itself to 
exclude IRIS scan for VI persons.

Try visiting some another enrolment center and i am sure you will succeed

I have observed that the agents are neither properly trained nor educated  to 
handel special cases.

 

 

 

 

From: Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) <mailto:ykhan...@gmail.com>  

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>  

Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 12:55 PM

Subject: Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

 

Dear Muralidharan,

 

Thank you for taking up these matters. I pray you meet some success. In India 
it seems a lot of this is going on: They make something inaccessible to 
achieve, manditory to achieve. Everybody should have 5 biscuits each from the 
packet of biscuits, but there is an empty biscuit packet on the table even 
before the distribution to all the attendees. This is my experience having come 
to India. Very sad and ironical. Aadhaar for the blind is impossible here in 
Vrindavana because the agents say the retina scan cannot be bypassed. Without 
Aadhaar I cannot get UDID either. When I went to buy my home, they refused 
because a blind person cannot own property. We have to be linked with a sighted 
person who has Aadhaar so that the property can be registered with the sighted 
person’s name. I am very hurt by this behaviour in India, and there seems to be 
no authority in place who really cares to actually do something.

Can you please help me? Very pained and frustrated. Sometimes I feel life was 
better under our former captivity of slave-owners and later the African 
leadership who hate Indians in Africa. I came to India to become free. How 
wrong was I? Now having returned home after 4 generations away, I return home 
only to find we are slaves here to a highly corrupt and disorganized 
administration. For example, the National number for the Aadhaar Helpdesk is 
1947. Guess what! Only problem is it does not exist!!!

 

Thanks a lot however for doing what you can. Evidently you are fighting a very 
difficult battle and my heart is with you. May Bhagavan Sri Ramachandra who was 
the most organized and loved King on Earth, walk with you – no – carry you 
through this fight.

 

Yoganathan Khandoo (Yamuna Jivana Dasa)

From: Muralidharan Vishwanath <mailto:murali.alat...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 11:39 AM

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>  

Subject: [AI] Issues with UDID

 

March 18, 2023

 

As all of you are aware, the UDID is being made mandatory from April 1, 2023 
for registering for central government schemes.

 

This even while more than half of the disabled who have certificates, have not 
been issued UDID or have enrolled but not been issued certificates, or have 
been unable to enroll for it, due to various issues.

 

UDID is being made compulsory even when central government’s own 
ministries/departments viz. railways, for admissions to MBBS, for recruitment 
in jobs,  or many institutes of higher learning are refusing to accept the 
validity of the card

 

The NPRD has written to the DEPwD objecting to the mandatory imposition of the 
UDID. 

 

It has also raised the issue of the refusal by various departments to accept 
its validity. 

 

Notwithstanding this, we would like to list before the department, the issues 
that the disabled are facing with regard to procuring UDID. 

 

One of the main issues that has been identified especially in the rural areas 
is about non-availability of seva kendras, private centres charging hefty 
amounts, or they being far away including their inaccessibility. Second issue 
identified is about card not being issued despite passage of a long time after 
enrollment. 

 

We are seeking a meeting with the Secretary DEPwD next week. The issues that we 
are attempting to list will be placed before him.

 

You are requested to assist us by informing us of the issues that you face. You 
may please mail to us by March 20, 2023 evening at nprd...@gmail.com 
<mailto:nprd...@gmail.com> 

 

 

Muralidharan

General Secretary

NPRD

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Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

[BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA]

absolutely, it should not at all made mandatory, Even getting aadhar is 
too difficult for disabled persons, then how he would get this UDID 
without aadhar.



On 3/19/2023 10:47 AM, Muralidharan Vishwanath wrote:
For your information, it is the NPRD which advocated for a universally 
valid ID for disabled right at its inception in 2010.
It was also  at the NPRD's behest that the universal validity of the 
disability certificate was incorporated into the RPD Act, 2016.


Therefore, the allegation that we are attempting to"stalling" this 
effort is baseless and malafide. (I am sure, I too will be kicked out 
of the list now).


But the DEPwD is setting a deadline of April 1, 2023 even while more 
than half of the disabled population who possess disability 
certificates have not been issued UDID cards. How can this be accepted?


Secondly, the central government's own departments do not accept the 
UDID - railways for instance insists that one should procure the card 
that it is issuing. Every year several cases are highlighted of MBBS 
aspirants whose UDID cards are rejected and a reverification of their 
disability done at designated centres. This defeats the very purpose 
of the UDID.


I am not going into the various issues with the procurement of UDID 
that people face, that is a different matter.


The NPRD's interest is to see that all disabled are able to get UDID 
in a hassle free process. When the disability certificate is replaced 
by the UDID and becomes valid for all purposes, it is natural that it 
will become mandatory (like the certificate earlier) for availing any 
scheme.


What we have asked for is the difficulties that people are facing in 
the procurement of the UDID so that we can take it up with the 
government. Let me make it loud and clear. We have not and do not 
intend to stall or oppose the UDID.


All the best sathiyo.

On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:52 AM Harish Kotian  
wrote:


Hi

It is my personal opinion that UDID should be made mandatory for
availing all services for the disabled.It should be the only
identification means for authenticating disability.


Having said this, all the services should be put in place before
the D date and scaling  up should be fully factored in. There are
numerous benefits to us through UDID. We should not fall into the
temptation of stalling the effort and rather we should clearly not
join them.


There may be some difficulty for sometime. That always happens
during transition. As what they say, you don't throw the baby with
the bathwater


I am well aware, there is going to be sharp reactions to my line
of thought, however I am convinced UDID is progressive and
disabled friendly and this is the most important thing which can
make huge changes for our benefit.


Harish


On 19/03/2023 06:43, bhawani shankar verma wrote:

UDID should not be mada mandatory. we must fight collectively for
it.

On Sat, 18 Mar 2023, 9:09 pm Amar Jain, 
wrote:

I would like to help you out to address your concerns. I am a
corporate lawyer and have an interface with the authorities
you are struggling with.

Is there a way we can speak? I am reachable on 9892622230.
Thank you.

Sent from my iPhone


On 18-Mar-2023, at 12:55 PM, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)
 wrote:


Dear Muralidharan,
Thank you for taking up these matters. I pray you meet some
success. In India it seems a lot of this is going on: They
make something inaccessible to achieve, manditory to
achieve. Everybody should have 5 biscuits each from the
packet of biscuits, but there is an empty biscuit packet on
the table even before the distribution to all the attendees.
This is my experience having come to India. Very sad and
ironical. Aadhaar for the blind is impossible here in
Vrindavana because the agents say the retina scan cannot be
bypassed. Without Aadhaar I cannot get UDID either. When I
went to buy my home, they refused because a blind person
cannot own property. We have to be linked with a sighted
person who has Aadhaar so that the property can be
registered with the sighted person’s name. I am very hurt by
this behaviour in India, and there seems to be no authority
in place who really cares to actually do something.
Can you please help me? Very pained and frustrated.
Sometimes I feel life was better under our former captivity
of slave-owners and later the African leadership who hate
Indians in Africa. I came to India to become free. How wrong
was I? Now having returned home after 4 generations away, I
return home only to find we are slaves here to a highly
corrupt and disorganized administration. For example, the
National number for the Aadhaar 

Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

[Muhammad Mishbahul]

Making udid for all the services at this stage will indeed exclude substantial number of beneficiaries from the various schemes of the government. We should strongly advocate for making the process hassle free. As it has been done in the case of. Aadhar card. Else, without enrolling Maxximum. It will do great disservice. For millions of disable, who are still struggling for various IDs.Sent from my iPhoneOn 19-Mar-2023, at 10:48 AM, Muralidharan Vishwanath  wrote:For your information, it is the NPRD which advocated for a universally valid ID for disabled right at its inception in 2010.It was also  at the NPRD's behest that the universal validity of the disability certificate was incorporated into the RPD Act, 2016.Therefore, the allegation that we are attempting to"stalling" this effort is baseless and malafide. (I am sure, I too will be kicked out of the list now).But the DEPwD is setting a deadline of April 1, 2023 even while more than half of the disabled population who possess disability certificates have not been issued UDID cards. How can this be accepted?Secondly, the central government's own departments do not accept the UDID - railways for instance insists that one should procure the card that it is issuing. Every year several cases are highlighted of MBBS aspirants whose UDID cards are rejected and a reverification of their disability done at designated centres. This defeats the very purpose of the UDID. I am not going into the various issues with the procurement of UDID that people face, that is a different matter.The NPRD's interest is to see that all disabled are able to get UDID in a hassle free process. When the disability certificate is replaced by the UDID and becomes valid for all purposes, it is natural that it will become mandatory (like the certificate earlier) for availing any scheme. What we have asked for is the difficulties that people are facing in the procurement of the UDID so that we can take it up with the government. Let me make it loud and clear. We have not and do not intend to stall or oppose the UDID.All the best sathiyo.On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:52 AM Harish Kotian  wrote:

  
  
Hi
It is my personal opinion that UDID should be made mandatory for
  availing all services for the disabled.It should be the only
  identification means for authenticating disability.
 

Having said this, all the services should be put in place before
  the D date and scaling  up should be fully factored in. There are
  numerous benefits to us through UDID. We should not fall into the
  temptation of stalling the effort and rather we should clearly not
  join them. 



There may be some difficulty for sometime. That always happens
  during transition. As what they say, you don't throw the baby with
  the bathwater 



I am well aware, there is going to be sharp reactions to my line
  of thought, however I am convinced UDID is progressive and
  disabled friendly and this is the most important thing which can
  make huge changes for our benefit. 



Harish


On 19/03/2023 06:43, bhawani shankar
  verma wrote:


  
  UDID should not be mada mandatory. we must fight
collectively for it. 
  
  
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023, 9:09 pm
  Amar Jain, 
  wrote:


  I would like to help you out to address your
concerns. I am a corporate lawyer and have an interface with
the authorities you are struggling with.


Is there a way we can speak? I am reachable on
  9892622230. Thank you.
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
On 18-Mar-2023, at 12:55 PM,
  Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) 
  wrote:
  

  
  

  

  Dear Muralidharan,
   
  Thank you for taking up these matters. I pray
you meet some success. In India it seems a lot
of this is going on: They make something
inaccessible to achieve, manditory to achieve.
Everybody should have 5 biscuits each from the
packet of biscuits, but there is an empty
biscuit packet on the table even before the
distribution to all the attendees. This is my
experience having come to India. Very sad and
ironical. Aadhaar for the blind is impossible
here in Vrindavana because the agents say the
retina scan cannot be bypassed. Without Aadhaar

Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

[Harish Kotian]

Hi

It is necessary to start with a deadline.Sure enough, looking at the 
data it will be extended. Glad to know you concur with UDID 
implementation.We have seen with linking PAN with Adhar, the deadline 
was extended.



We too tend to lax without a deadline.


May I clear the myth which tends to be propagated in some quarters that 
I am arbitrary in intervening in a flamed and out of scope postings.It 
was certainly spelt out without context presently.



In many occasion in the past there was a effort to have a single 
disability card. However, the effort was halfhearted then. Hopefully, 
linked with Adhar it really happens.


We too need to keep the pressure that it happens.


Harish


On 19/03/2023 10:47, Muralidharan Vishwanath wrote:
For your information, it is the NPRD which advocated for a universally 
valid ID for disabled right at its inception in 2010.
It was also  at the NPRD's behest that the universal validity of the 
disability certificate was incorporated into the RPD Act, 2016.


Therefore, the allegation that we are attempting to"stalling" this 
effort is baseless and malafide. (I am sure, I too will be kicked out 
of the list now).


But the DEPwD is setting a deadline of April 1, 2023 even while more 
than half of the disabled population who possess disability 
certificates have not been issued UDID cards. How can this be accepted?


Secondly, the central government's own departments do not accept the 
UDID - railways for instance insists that one should procure the card 
that it is issuing. Every year several cases are highlighted of MBBS 
aspirants whose UDID cards are rejected and a reverification of their 
disability done at designated centres. This defeats the very purpose 
of the UDID.


I am not going into the various issues with the procurement of UDID 
that people face, that is a different matter.


The NPRD's interest is to see that all disabled are able to get UDID 
in a hassle free process. When the disability certificate is replaced 
by the UDID and becomes valid for all purposes, it is natural that it 
will become mandatory (like the certificate earlier) for availing any 
scheme.


What we have asked for is the difficulties that people are facing in 
the procurement of the UDID so that we can take it up with the 
government. Let me make it loud and clear. We have not and do not 
intend to stall or oppose the UDID.


All the best sathiyo.

On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:52 AM Harish Kotian  
wrote:


Hi

It is my personal opinion that UDID should be made mandatory for
availing all services for the disabled.It should be the only
identification means for authenticating disability.


Having said this, all the services should be put in place before
the D date and scaling  up should be fully factored in. There are
numerous benefits to us through UDID. We should not fall into the
temptation of stalling the effort and rather we should clearly not
join them.


There may be some difficulty for sometime. That always happens
during transition. As what they say, you don't throw the baby with
the bathwater


I am well aware, there is going to be sharp reactions to my line
of thought, however I am convinced UDID is progressive and
disabled friendly and this is the most important thing which can
make huge changes for our benefit.


Harish


On 19/03/2023 06:43, bhawani shankar verma wrote:

UDID should not be mada mandatory. we must fight collectively for
it.

On Sat, 18 Mar 2023, 9:09 pm Amar Jain, 
wrote:

I would like to help you out to address your concerns. I am a
corporate lawyer and have an interface with the authorities
you are struggling with.

Is there a way we can speak? I am reachable on 9892622230.
Thank you.

Sent from my iPhone


On 18-Mar-2023, at 12:55 PM, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)
 wrote:


Dear Muralidharan,
Thank you for taking up these matters. I pray you meet some
success. In India it seems a lot of this is going on: They
make something inaccessible to achieve, manditory to
achieve. Everybody should have 5 biscuits each from the
packet of biscuits, but there is an empty biscuit packet on
the table even before the distribution to all the attendees.
This is my experience having come to India. Very sad and
ironical. Aadhaar for the blind is impossible here in
Vrindavana because the agents say the retina scan cannot be
bypassed. Without Aadhaar I cannot get UDID either. When I
went to buy my home, they refused because a blind person
cannot own property. We have to be linked with a sighted
person who has Aadhaar so that the property can be
registered with the sighted person’s name. I am very hurt by
this behaviour in India, and there seems to be no authority
in place who really 

Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

[Muralidharan Vishwanath]

For your information, it is the NPRD which advocated for a universally
valid ID for disabled right at its inception in 2010.
It was also  at the NPRD's behest that the universal validity of the
disability certificate was incorporated into the RPD Act, 2016.

Therefore, the allegation that we are attempting to"stalling" this effort
is baseless and malafide. (I am sure, I too will be kicked out of the list
now).

But the DEPwD is setting a deadline of April 1, 2023 even while more than
half of the disabled population who possess disability certificates have
not been issued UDID cards. How can this be accepted?

Secondly, the central government's own departments do not accept the UDID -
railways for instance insists that one should procure the card that it is
issuing. Every year several cases are highlighted of MBBS aspirants whose
UDID cards are rejected and a reverification of their disability done at
designated centres. This defeats the very purpose of the UDID.

I am not going into the various issues with the procurement of UDID that
people face, that is a different matter.

The NPRD's interest is to see that all disabled are able to get UDID in a
hassle free process. When the disability certificate is replaced by the
UDID and becomes valid for all purposes, it is natural that it will become
mandatory (like the certificate earlier) for availing any scheme.

What we have asked for is the difficulties that people are facing in the
procurement of the UDID so that we can take it up with the government. Let
me make it loud and clear. We have not and do not intend to stall or oppose
the UDID.

All the best sathiyo.

On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:52 AM Harish Kotian  wrote:

> Hi
>
> It is my personal opinion that UDID should be made mandatory for availing
> all services for the disabled.It should be the only identification means
> for authenticating disability.
>
>
>
> Having said this, all the services should be put in place before the D
> date and scaling  up should be fully factored in. There are numerous
> benefits to us through UDID. We should not fall into the temptation of
> stalling the effort and rather we should clearly not join them.
>
>
> There may be some difficulty for sometime. That always happens during
> transition. As what they say, you don't throw the baby with the bathwater
>
>
> I am well aware, there is going to be sharp reactions to my line of
> thought, however I am convinced UDID is progressive and disabled friendly
> and this is the most important thing which can make huge changes for our
> benefit.
>
>
> Harish
>
>
> On 19/03/2023 06:43, bhawani shankar verma wrote:
>
> UDID should not be mada mandatory. we must fight collectively for it.
>
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2023, 9:09 pm Amar Jain,  wrote:
>
>> I would like to help you out to address your concerns. I am a corporate
>> lawyer and have an interface with the authorities you are struggling with.
>>
>> Is there a way we can speak? I am reachable on 9892622230. Thank you.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 18-Mar-2023, at 12:55 PM, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) <
>> ykhan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Dear Muralidharan,
>>
>> Thank you for taking up these matters. I pray you meet some success. In
>> India it seems a lot of this is going on: They make something inaccessible
>> to achieve, manditory to achieve. Everybody should have 5 biscuits each
>> from the packet of biscuits, but there is an empty biscuit packet on the
>> table even before the distribution to all the attendees. This is my
>> experience having come to India. Very sad and ironical. Aadhaar for the
>> blind is impossible here in Vrindavana because the agents say the retina
>> scan cannot be bypassed. Without Aadhaar I cannot get UDID either. When I
>> went to buy my home, they refused because a blind person cannot own
>> property. We have to be linked with a sighted person who has Aadhaar so
>> that the property can be registered with the sighted person’s name. I am
>> very hurt by this behaviour in India, and there seems to be no authority in
>> place who really cares to actually do something.
>> Can you please help me? Very pained and frustrated. Sometimes I feel life
>> was better under our former captivity of slave-owners and later the African
>> leadership who hate Indians in Africa. I came to India to become free. How
>> wrong was I? Now having returned home after 4 generations away, I return
>> home only to find we are slaves here to a highly corrupt and disorganized
>> administration. For example, the National number for the Aadhaar Helpdesk
>> is 1947. Guess what! Only problem is it does not exist!!!
>>
>> Thanks a lot however for doing what you can. Evidently you are fighting a
>> very difficult battle and my heart is with you. May Bhagavan Sri
>> Ramachandra who was the most organized and loved King on Earth, walk with
>> you – no – carry you through this fight.
>>
>> Yoganathan Khandoo (Yamuna Jivana Dasa)
>> *From:* Muralidharan Vishwanath 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 

Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

[Amar Jain]

I echo these thoughts.Further the government is well empowered to deliver welfare benefits by prescribing UDID. It helps us in collection of data, delivery of services to the most affected areas, and so on.If there are bottlenecks then we must address it for sure, but only looking at negatives in everything without having a fair balance of positives is not a healthy approach.Sent from my iPhoneOn 19-Mar-2023, at 8:52 AM, Harish Kotian  wrote:

  
  
Hi
It is my personal opinion that UDID should be made mandatory for
  availing all services for the disabled.It should be the only
  identification means for authenticating disability.
 

Having said this, all the services should be put in place before
  the D date and scaling  up should be fully factored in. There are
  numerous benefits to us through UDID. We should not fall into the
  temptation of stalling the effort and rather we should clearly not
  join them. 



There may be some difficulty for sometime. That always happens
  during transition. As what they say, you don't throw the baby with
  the bathwater 



I am well aware, there is going to be sharp reactions to my line
  of thought, however I am convinced UDID is progressive and
  disabled friendly and this is the most important thing which can
  make huge changes for our benefit. 



Harish


On 19/03/2023 06:43, bhawani shankar
  verma wrote:


  
  UDID should not be mada mandatory. we must fight
collectively for it. 
  
  
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023, 9:09 pm
  Amar Jain, 
  wrote:


  I would like to help you out to address your
concerns. I am a corporate lawyer and have an interface with
the authorities you are struggling with.


Is there a way we can speak? I am reachable on
  9892622230. Thank you.
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
On 18-Mar-2023, at 12:55 PM,
  Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) 
  wrote:
  

  
  

  

  Dear Muralidharan,
   
  Thank you for taking up these matters. I pray
you meet some success. In India it seems a lot
of this is going on: They make something
inaccessible to achieve, manditory to achieve.
Everybody should have 5 biscuits each from the
packet of biscuits, but there is an empty
biscuit packet on the table even before the
distribution to all the attendees. This is my
experience having come to India. Very sad and
ironical. Aadhaar for the blind is impossible
here in Vrindavana because the agents say the
retina scan cannot be bypassed. Without Aadhaar
I cannot get UDID either. When I went to buy my
home, they refused because a blind person cannot
own property. We have to be linked with a
sighted person who has Aadhaar so that the
property can be registered with the sighted
person’s name. I am very hurt by this behaviour
in India, and there seems to be no authority in
place who really cares to actually do something.
  Can you please help me? Very pained and
frustrated. Sometimes I feel life was better
under our former captivity of slave-owners and
later the African leadership who hate Indians in
Africa. I came to India to become free. How
wrong was I? Now having returned home after 4
generations away, I return home only to find we
are slaves here to a highly corrupt and
disorganized administration. For example, the
National number for the Aadhaar Helpdesk is
1947. Guess what! Only problem is it does not
exist!!!
   
  Thanks a lot however for doing what you can.
Evidently you are fighting a very difficult
battle and my heart is with you. May Bhagavan
Sri Ramachandra who was the most organized and
loved King on Earth, walk with you – no – carry

Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

[Harish Kotian]

Hi

It is my personal opinion that UDID should be made mandatory for 
availing all services for the disabled.It should be the only 
identification means for authenticating disability.



Having said this, all the services should be put in place before the D 
date and scaling  up should be fully factored in. There are numerous 
benefits to us through UDID. We should not fall into the temptation of 
stalling the effort and rather we should clearly not join them.



There may be some difficulty for sometime. That always happens during 
transition. As what they say, you don't throw the baby with the bathwater



I am well aware, there is going to be sharp reactions to my line of 
thought, however I am convinced UDID is progressive and disabled 
friendly and this is the most important thing which can make huge 
changes for our benefit.



Harish


On 19/03/2023 06:43, bhawani shankar verma wrote:

UDID should not be mada mandatory. we must fight collectively for it.

On Sat, 18 Mar 2023, 9:09 pm Amar Jain,  wrote:

I would like to help you out to address your concerns. I am a
corporate lawyer and have an interface with the authorities you
are struggling with.

Is there a way we can speak? I am reachable on 9892622230. Thank you.

Sent from my iPhone


On 18-Mar-2023, at 12:55 PM, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)
 wrote:


Dear Muralidharan,
Thank you for taking up these matters. I pray you meet some
success. In India it seems a lot of this is going on: They make
something inaccessible to achieve, manditory to achieve.
Everybody should have 5 biscuits each from the packet of
biscuits, but there is an empty biscuit packet on the table even
before the distribution to all the attendees. This is my
experience having come to India. Very sad and ironical. Aadhaar
for the blind is impossible here in Vrindavana because the agents
say the retina scan cannot be bypassed. Without Aadhaar I cannot
get UDID either. When I went to buy my home, they refused because
a blind person cannot own property. We have to be linked with a
sighted person who has Aadhaar so that the property can be
registered with the sighted person’s name. I am very hurt by this
behaviour in India, and there seems to be no authority in place
who really cares to actually do something.
Can you please help me? Very pained and frustrated. Sometimes I
feel life was better under our former captivity of slave-owners
and later the African leadership who hate Indians in Africa. I
came to India to become free. How wrong was I? Now having
returned home after 4 generations away, I return home only to
find we are slaves here to a highly corrupt and disorganized
administration. For example, the National number for the Aadhaar
Helpdesk is 1947. Guess what! Only problem is it does not exist!!!
Thanks a lot however for doing what you can. Evidently you are
fighting a very difficult battle and my heart is with you. May
Bhagavan Sri Ramachandra who was the most organized and loved
King on Earth, walk with you – no – carry you through this fight.
Yoganathan Khandoo (Yamuna Jivana Dasa)
*From:* Muralidharan Vishwanath 
*Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2023 11:39 AM
*To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
*Subject:* [AI] Issues with UDID

March 18, 2023

As all of you are aware, the UDID is being made mandatory from
April 1, 2023 for registering for central government schemes.

This even while more than half of the disabled who have
certificates, have not been issued UDID or have enrolled but not
been issued certificates, or have been unable to enroll for it,
due to various issues.

UDID is being made compulsory even when central government’s own
ministries/departments viz. railways, for admissions to MBBS, for
recruitment in jobs,  or many institutes of higher learning are
refusing to accept the validity of the card

The NPRD has written to the DEPwD objecting to the mandatory
imposition of the UDID.

It has also raised the issue of the refusal by various
departments to accept its validity.

Notwithstanding this, we would like to list before the
department, the issues that the disabled are facing with regard
to procuring UDID.

One of the main issues that has been identified especially in the
rural areas is about non-availability of seva kendras, private
centres charging hefty amounts, or they being far away including
their inaccessibility. Second issue identified is about card not
being issued despite passage of a long time after enrollment.

We are seeking a meeting with the Secretary DEPwD next week. The
issues that we are attempting to list will be placed before him.

You are requested to assist us by informing us of the issues that
you face. You may please mail to us by March 20, 

Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

[bhawani shankar verma]

UDID should not be mada mandatory. we must fight collectively for it.

On Sat, 18 Mar 2023, 9:09 pm Amar Jain,  wrote:

> I would like to help you out to address your concerns. I am a corporate
> lawyer and have an interface with the authorities you are struggling with.
>
> Is there a way we can speak? I am reachable on 9892622230. Thank you.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 18-Mar-2023, at 12:55 PM, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) <
> ykhan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Dear Muralidharan,
>
> Thank you for taking up these matters. I pray you meet some success. In
> India it seems a lot of this is going on: They make something inaccessible
> to achieve, manditory to achieve. Everybody should have 5 biscuits each
> from the packet of biscuits, but there is an empty biscuit packet on the
> table even before the distribution to all the attendees. This is my
> experience having come to India. Very sad and ironical. Aadhaar for the
> blind is impossible here in Vrindavana because the agents say the retina
> scan cannot be bypassed. Without Aadhaar I cannot get UDID either. When I
> went to buy my home, they refused because a blind person cannot own
> property. We have to be linked with a sighted person who has Aadhaar so
> that the property can be registered with the sighted person’s name. I am
> very hurt by this behaviour in India, and there seems to be no authority in
> place who really cares to actually do something.
> Can you please help me? Very pained and frustrated. Sometimes I feel life
> was better under our former captivity of slave-owners and later the African
> leadership who hate Indians in Africa. I came to India to become free. How
> wrong was I? Now having returned home after 4 generations away, I return
> home only to find we are slaves here to a highly corrupt and disorganized
> administration. For example, the National number for the Aadhaar Helpdesk
> is 1947. Guess what! Only problem is it does not exist!!!
>
> Thanks a lot however for doing what you can. Evidently you are fighting a
> very difficult battle and my heart is with you. May Bhagavan Sri
> Ramachandra who was the most organized and loved King on Earth, walk with
> you – no – carry you through this fight.
>
> Yoganathan Khandoo (Yamuna Jivana Dasa)
> *From:* Muralidharan Vishwanath 
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2023 11:39 AM
> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> *Subject:* [AI] Issues with UDID
>
>
> March 18, 2023
>
>
>
> As all of you are aware, the UDID is being made mandatory from April 1,
> 2023 for registering for central government schemes.
>
>
>
> This even while more than half of the disabled who have certificates, have
> not been issued UDID or have enrolled but not been issued certificates, or
> have been unable to enroll for it, due to various issues.
>
>
>
> UDID is being made compulsory even when central government’s own
> ministries/departments viz. railways, for admissions to MBBS, for
> recruitment in jobs,  or many institutes of higher learning are refusing to
> accept the validity of the card
>
>
>
> The NPRD has written to the DEPwD objecting to the mandatory imposition of
> the UDID.
>
>
>
> It has also raised the issue of the refusal by various departments to
> accept its validity.
>
>
>
> Notwithstanding this, we would like to list before the department, the
> issues that the disabled are facing with regard to procuring UDID.
>
>
>
> One of the main issues that has been identified especially in the rural
> areas is about non-availability of seva kendras, private centres charging
> hefty amounts, or they being far away including their inaccessibility.
> Second issue identified is about card not being issued despite passage of a
> long time after enrollment.
>
>
>
> We are seeking a meeting with the Secretary DEPwD next week. The issues
> that we are attempting to list will be placed before him.
>
>
>
> You are requested to assist us by informing us of the issues that you
> face. You may please mail to us by March 20, 2023 evening at
> nprd...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> *Muralidharan*
>
> *General Secretary*
>
> *NPRD*
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Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

[Amar Jain]

I would like to help you out to address your concerns. I am a corporate lawyer and have an interface with the authorities you are struggling with.Is there a way we can speak? I am reachable on 9892622230. Thank you.Sent from my iPhoneOn 18-Mar-2023, at 12:55 PM, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)  wrote:



Dear Muralidharan,
 
Thank you for taking up these matters. I pray you meet some success. In 
India it seems a lot of this is going on: They make something inaccessible to 
achieve, manditory to achieve. Everybody should have 5 biscuits each from the 
packet of biscuits, but there is an empty biscuit packet on the table even 
before the distribution to all the attendees. This is my experience having come 
to India. Very sad and ironical. Aadhaar for the blind is impossible here in 
Vrindavana because the agents say the retina scan cannot be bypassed. Without 
Aadhaar I cannot get UDID either. When I went to buy my home, they refused 
because a blind person cannot own property. We have to be linked with a sighted 
person who has Aadhaar so that the property can be registered with the sighted 
person’s name. I am very hurt by this behaviour in India, and there seems to be 
no authority in place who really cares to actually do something.
Can you please help me? Very pained and frustrated. Sometimes I feel life 
was better under our former captivity of slave-owners and later the African 
leadership who hate Indians in Africa. I came to India to become free. How wrong 
was I? Now having returned home after 4 generations away, I return home only to 
find we are slaves here to a highly corrupt and disorganized administration. For 
example, the National number for the Aadhaar Helpdesk is 1947. Guess what! Only 
problem is it does not exist!!!
 
Thanks a lot however for doing what you can. Evidently you are fighting a 
very difficult battle and my heart is with you. May Bhagavan Sri Ramachandra who 
was the most organized and loved King on Earth, walk with you – no – carry you 
through this fight.
 
Yoganathan Khandoo (Yamuna Jivana Dasa)




From: Muralidharan Vishwanath 
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 11:39 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 

Subject: [AI] Issues with UDID
 


March 
18, 2023
 
As all 
of you are aware, the UDID is being made mandatory from April 1, 2023 for 
registering for central government schemes.
 
This 
even while more than half of the disabled who have certificates, have not been 
issued UDID or have enrolled but not been issued certificates, or have been 
unable to enroll for it, due to various issues.
 
UDID 
is being made compulsory even when central government’s own 
ministries/departments viz. railways, for admissions to MBBS, for recruitment in 
jobs,  or many institutes of higher learning are refusing to accept the 
validity of the card
 
The 
NPRD has written to the DEPwD objecting to the mandatory imposition of the UDID. 

 
It has 
also raised the issue of the refusal by various departments to accept its 
validity. 
 
Notwithstanding 
this, we would like to list before the department, the issues that the disabled 
are facing with regard to procuring UDID. 
 
One of 
the main issues that has been identified especially in the rural areas is about 
non-availability of seva kendras, private centres charging hefty amounts, or 
they being far away including their inaccessibility. Second issue identified is 
about card not being issued despite passage of a long time after enrollment. 

 
We are 
seeking a meeting with the Secretary DEPwD next week. The issues that we are 
attempting to list will be placed before him.
 
You 
are requested to assist us by informing us of the issues that you face. You may 
please mail to us by March 20, 2023 evening at nprd...@gmail.com
 
 
Muralidharan
General 
Secretary
NPRD-- 
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Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

[Muralidharan Vishwanath]

Dear Yamuna, as Ram rightly points out, there are exceptions for people
with disabilities both those who are blind as also those whose fingers are
missing for Aaadhar enrolement. The insistence on Aadhar itself is
problematic. But that is another issue and I would not like to divert
attention here.
But it is a struggle, as you rightly say.
Please do get back at nprd...@gmail.com if you feel the need for any
assistance.

Muralidharan


On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 2:06 PM Ram  wrote:

>
>
> Hi,
>
> I do not understand why you are refused Aadhar Card because your retina
> can't be scanned. In fact, there is  a provision in the Aadhar software
> itself to exclude IRIS scan for VI persons.
> Try visiting some another enrolment center and i am sure you will succeed
> I have observed that the agents are neither properly trained nor educated
> to handel special cases.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) 
> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2023 12:55 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Issues with UDID
>
> Dear Muralidharan,
>
> Thank you for taking up these matters. I pray you meet some success. In
> India it seems a lot of this is going on: They make something inaccessible
> to achieve, manditory to achieve. Everybody should have 5 biscuits each
> from the packet of biscuits, but there is an empty biscuit packet on the
> table even before the distribution to all the attendees. This is my
> experience having come to India. Very sad and ironical. Aadhaar for the
> blind is impossible here in Vrindavana because the agents say the retina
> scan cannot be bypassed. Without Aadhaar I cannot get UDID either. When I
> went to buy my home, they refused because a blind person cannot own
> property. We have to be linked with a sighted person who has Aadhaar so
> that the property can be registered with the sighted person’s name. I am
> very hurt by this behaviour in India, and there seems to be no authority in
> place who really cares to actually do something.
> Can you please help me? Very pained and frustrated. Sometimes I feel life
> was better under our former captivity of slave-owners and later the African
> leadership who hate Indians in Africa. I came to India to become free. How
> wrong was I? Now having returned home after 4 generations away, I return
> home only to find we are slaves here to a highly corrupt and disorganized
> administration. For example, the National number for the Aadhaar Helpdesk
> is 1947. Guess what! Only problem is it does not exist!!!
>
> Thanks a lot however for doing what you can. Evidently you are fighting a
> very difficult battle and my heart is with you. May Bhagavan Sri
> Ramachandra who was the most organized and loved King on Earth, walk with
> you – no – carry you through this fight.
>
> Yoganathan Khandoo (Yamuna Jivana Dasa)
> *From:* Muralidharan Vishwanath 
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2023 11:39 AM
> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> *Subject:* [AI] Issues with UDID
>
>
> March 18, 2023
>
>
>
> As all of you are aware, the UDID is being made mandatory from April 1,
> 2023 for registering for central government schemes.
>
>
>
> This even while more than half of the disabled who have certificates, have
> not been issued UDID or have enrolled but not been issued certificates, or
> have been unable to enroll for it, due to various issues.
>
>
>
> UDID is being made compulsory even when central government’s own
> ministries/departments viz. railways, for admissions to MBBS, for
> recruitment in jobs,  or many institutes of higher learning are refusing to
> accept the validity of the card
>
>
>
> The NPRD has written to the DEPwD objecting to the mandatory imposition of
> the UDID.
>
>
>
> It has also raised the issue of the refusal by various departments to
> accept its validity.
>
>
>
> Notwithstanding this, we would like to list before the department, the
> issues that the disabled are facing with regard to procuring UDID.
>
>
>
> One of the main issues that has been identified especially in the rural
> areas is about non-availability of seva kendras, private centres charging
> hefty amounts, or they being far away including their inaccessibility.
> Second issue identified is about card not being issued despite passage of a
> long time after enrollment.
>
>
>
> We are seeking a meeting with the Secretary DEPwD next week. The issues
> that we are attempting to list will be placed before him.
>
>
>
> You are requested to assist us by informing us of the issues that you
> face. You may please mail to us by March 20, 2023 evening at
> nprd...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> *Muralidharan*
>
> *General Secretary*
&

Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

[Ram]

Hi,

I do not understand why you are refused Aadhar Card because your retina can't 
be scanned. In fact, there is  a provision in the Aadhar software itself to 
exclude IRIS scan for VI persons.
Try visiting some another enrolment center and i am sure you will succeed
I have observed that the agents are neither properly trained nor educated  to 
handel special cases.




  From: Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) 
  To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
  Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 12:55 PM
  Subject: Re: [AI] Issues with UDID


  Dear Muralidharan,

  Thank you for taking up these matters. I pray you meet some success. In India 
it seems a lot of this is going on: They make something inaccessible to 
achieve, manditory to achieve. Everybody should have 5 biscuits each from the 
packet of biscuits, but there is an empty biscuit packet on the table even 
before the distribution to all the attendees. This is my experience having come 
to India. Very sad and ironical. Aadhaar for the blind is impossible here in 
Vrindavana because the agents say the retina scan cannot be bypassed. Without 
Aadhaar I cannot get UDID either. When I went to buy my home, they refused 
because a blind person cannot own property. We have to be linked with a sighted 
person who has Aadhaar so that the property can be registered with the sighted 
person’s name. I am very hurt by this behaviour in India, and there seems to be 
no authority in place who really cares to actually do something.
  Can you please help me? Very pained and frustrated. Sometimes I feel life was 
better under our former captivity of slave-owners and later the African 
leadership who hate Indians in Africa. I came to India to become free. How 
wrong was I? Now having returned home after 4 generations away, I return home 
only to find we are slaves here to a highly corrupt and disorganized 
administration. For example, the National number for the Aadhaar Helpdesk is 
1947. Guess what! Only problem is it does not exist!!!

  Thanks a lot however for doing what you can. Evidently you are fighting a 
very difficult battle and my heart is with you. May Bhagavan Sri Ramachandra 
who was the most organized and loved King on Earth, walk with you – no – carry 
you through this fight.

  Yoganathan Khandoo (Yamuna Jivana Dasa)
  From: Muralidharan Vishwanath 
  Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 11:39 AM
  To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
  Subject: [AI] Issues with UDID

  March 18, 2023



  As all of you are aware, the UDID is being made mandatory from April 1, 2023 
for registering for central government schemes.



  This even while more than half of the disabled who have certificates, have 
not been issued UDID or have enrolled but not been issued certificates, or have 
been unable to enroll for it, due to various issues.



  UDID is being made compulsory even when central government’s own 
ministries/departments viz. railways, for admissions to MBBS, for recruitment 
in jobs,  or many institutes of higher learning are refusing to accept the 
validity of the card



  The NPRD has written to the DEPwD objecting to the mandatory imposition of 
the UDID. 



  It has also raised the issue of the refusal by various departments to accept 
its validity. 



  Notwithstanding this, we would like to list before the department, the issues 
that the disabled are facing with regard to procuring UDID. 



  One of the main issues that has been identified especially in the rural areas 
is about non-availability of seva kendras, private centres charging hefty 
amounts, or they being far away including their inaccessibility. Second issue 
identified is about card not being issued despite passage of a long time after 
enrollment. 



  We are seeking a meeting with the Secretary DEPwD next week. The issues that 
we are attempting to list will be placed before him.



  You are requested to assist us by informing us of the issues that you face. 
You may please mail to us by March 20, 2023 evening at nprd...@gmail.com





  Muralidharan

  General Secretary

  NPRD

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Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Dear Muralidharan,

Thank you for taking up these matters. I pray you meet some success. In India 
it seems a lot of this is going on: They make something inaccessible to 
achieve, manditory to achieve. Everybody should have 5 biscuits each from the 
packet of biscuits, but there is an empty biscuit packet on the table even 
before the distribution to all the attendees. This is my experience having come 
to India. Very sad and ironical. Aadhaar for the blind is impossible here in 
Vrindavana because the agents say the retina scan cannot be bypassed. Without 
Aadhaar I cannot get UDID either. When I went to buy my home, they refused 
because a blind person cannot own property. We have to be linked with a sighted 
person who has Aadhaar so that the property can be registered with the sighted 
person’s name. I am very hurt by this behaviour in India, and there seems to be 
no authority in place who really cares to actually do something.
Can you please help me? Very pained and frustrated. Sometimes I feel life was 
better under our former captivity of slave-owners and later the African 
leadership who hate Indians in Africa. I came to India to become free. How 
wrong was I? Now having returned home after 4 generations away, I return home 
only to find we are slaves here to a highly corrupt and disorganized 
administration. For example, the National number for the Aadhaar Helpdesk is 
1947. Guess what! Only problem is it does not exist!!!

Thanks a lot however for doing what you can. Evidently you are fighting a very 
difficult battle and my heart is with you. May Bhagavan Sri Ramachandra who was 
the most organized and loved King on Earth, walk with you – no – carry you 
through this fight.

Yoganathan Khandoo (Yamuna Jivana Dasa)
From: Muralidharan Vishwanath 
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 11:39 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: [AI] Issues with UDID

March 18, 2023



As all of you are aware, the UDID is being made mandatory from April 1, 2023 
for registering for central government schemes.



This even while more than half of the disabled who have certificates, have not 
been issued UDID or have enrolled but not been issued certificates, or have 
been unable to enroll for it, due to various issues.



UDID is being made compulsory even when central government’s own 
ministries/departments viz. railways, for admissions to MBBS, for recruitment 
in jobs,  or many institutes of higher learning are refusing to accept the 
validity of the card



The NPRD has written to the DEPwD objecting to the mandatory imposition of the 
UDID. 



It has also raised the issue of the refusal by various departments to accept 
its validity. 



Notwithstanding this, we would like to list before the department, the issues 
that the disabled are facing with regard to procuring UDID. 



One of the main issues that has been identified especially in the rural areas 
is about non-availability of seva kendras, private centres charging hefty 
amounts, or they being far away including their inaccessibility. Second issue 
identified is about card not being issued despite passage of a long time after 
enrollment. 



We are seeking a meeting with the Secretary DEPwD next week. The issues that we 
are attempting to list will be placed before him.



You are requested to assist us by informing us of the issues that you face. You 
may please mail to us by March 20, 2023 evening at nprd...@gmail.com





Muralidharan

General Secretary

NPRD

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