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hi all, why cont we put an end to these. i dont know why these messages keep cluttering inboxes again and again once the thread is closed. Please end these in the spirit of list. On 3/22/09, Rakesh Kumar Gupta rkgd1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Moderator and all lists' Members, There is no limit or end Discussion on any topic. But, we should take care of this matter that every discussion should be useful for VH persons according to guidelines of this group and moderator's decision will be final on any controversy or dispute, otherwise no such group may run smoothly. Regards, Rakesh. - Original Message - From: Vidya joshvi...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Okay Moderator. The hard decisions need to be taken sometimes. I believe it is members privillege to express their opinions about what can be accepted on the list and what not. But still it is not their right. If it becomes free for all giving their interpretations, there will be a huge commotion and needless traffick on the list. So we have a moderator to take a final decision. Now that the decision has been taken and widely endorsed by the list members, why do we have these mails? How about putting the repeat offenders on a moderated status? It is not easy but perhaps mandatory for the peace. The welcome message we got at the time of joining confirmed that this list was more for information and problem solving, rather than expressing and forcingg opinions. So shouldn't we consider the messages that threaten, sulk, fight, shout about the moderator's decision, off topic? If so, isn't it proper to put such members on moderated status? - Original Message - From: Rajesh Parakh rajeshparak...@yahoo.co.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Dear Rajesh, you should not be provoked to unsubscribe from the list after reading such comments from champions of Indian culture. this list requires your valuable contribution. in my thinking every person loving nature and its beauty will never run away from sex and there's nothing wrong in talking about sex with like minded friends. regards, rajesh parakh. - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Dear Access India Moderator If this has come to it, and the people like Respected Shadab Hussein have impudence to write like this, then please accept my heartfelt apologies and do unsubscribe my humble self from the list. I am publicly requesting the unsubscription, not because I do not know the procedure to do so on my own, but I want all to know that this list has been a wonderful home to me, but I have fallen below minimum standards desired by it and hence ought to be dispensed with without any mercy. I think I have taken the liberty of thought and expression well within the limits of public morality and all other grounds laid down by our constitution, but if so-called champions of Indian culture feel that I am an immature and unnecessary piece of clay, then let it be so. All said and done, I strongly feel that unsubscription of some of our respected members for continuing to raise forbidden queries, and continuance of others despite their uncivilized and provoking language, is wrong. Hope this group of ours will discuss many useful topics in future and will not listen to sex maniacs like me... Rajesh Asudani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:45 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well sir, Don't say things I haven't said to prove what you are saying is correct - blind being under an obligation to be saintly or asexual. and I still am at a loss to comprehend as to why the visual inability of a person should deprive him/her of all aspects of life. Better, focus on useful topics. I sincerely hope that keeping the important time of members in mind and respecting the moderator you won't respond to this. For God's sake, don't allow me to be impatient. Regards Shadab Husain Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well
Re: [AI] query from thahir
HI all Why are you'll too commenting. If all exercise restrain it shall automatically die. It is not possible to place a thread in a moderated mode. Hence cooperation from all is solicited. I do agree it is a collective waste of time and resources. Harish - Original Message - From: phani srikanth phani...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir hi all, why cont we put an end to these. i dont know why these messages keep cluttering inboxes again and again once the thread is closed. Please end these in the spirit of list. On 3/22/09, Rakesh Kumar Gupta rkgd1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Moderator and all lists' Members, There is no limit or end Discussion on any topic. But, we should take care of this matter that every discussion should be useful for VH persons according to guidelines of this group and moderator's decision will be final on any controversy or dispute, otherwise no such group may run smoothly. Regards, Rakesh. - Original Message - From: Vidya joshvi...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Okay Moderator. The hard decisions need to be taken sometimes. I believe it is members privillege to express their opinions about what can be accepted on the list and what not. But still it is not their right. If it becomes free for all giving their interpretations, there will be a huge commotion and needless traffick on the list. So we have a moderator to take a final decision. Now that the decision has been taken and widely endorsed by the list members, why do we have these mails? How about putting the repeat offenders on a moderated status? It is not easy but perhaps mandatory for the peace. The welcome message we got at the time of joining confirmed that this list was more for information and problem solving, rather than expressing and forcingg opinions. So shouldn't we consider the messages that threaten, sulk, fight, shout about the moderator's decision, off topic? If so, isn't it proper to put such members on moderated status? - Original Message - From: Rajesh Parakh rajeshparak...@yahoo.co.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Dear Rajesh, you should not be provoked to unsubscribe from the list after reading such comments from champions of Indian culture. this list requires your valuable contribution. in my thinking every person loving nature and its beauty will never run away from sex and there's nothing wrong in talking about sex with like minded friends. regards, rajesh parakh. - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Dear Access India Moderator If this has come to it, and the people like Respected Shadab Hussein have impudence to write like this, then please accept my heartfelt apologies and do unsubscribe my humble self from the list. I am publicly requesting the unsubscription, not because I do not know the procedure to do so on my own, but I want all to know that this list has been a wonderful home to me, but I have fallen below minimum standards desired by it and hence ought to be dispensed with without any mercy. I think I have taken the liberty of thought and expression well within the limits of public morality and all other grounds laid down by our constitution, but if so-called champions of Indian culture feel that I am an immature and unnecessary piece of clay, then let it be so. All said and done, I strongly feel that unsubscription of some of our respected members for continuing to raise forbidden queries, and continuance of others despite their uncivilized and provoking language, is wrong. Hope this group of ours will discuss many useful topics in future and will not listen to sex maniacs like me... Rajesh Asudani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:45 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well sir, Don't say things I haven't said to prove what you are saying is correct - blind being under an obligation to be saintly or asexual. and I still am at a loss to comprehend as to why the visual inability of a person should deprive him/her of all aspects of life. Better, focus on useful topics. I sincerely hope that keeping the important time of members in mind and respecting the moderator you won't respond to this. For God's sake, don't allow me to be impatient. Regards Shadab Husain Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html
Re: [AI] query from thahir
Dear Rajesh, you should not be provoked to unsubscribe from the list after reading such comments from champions of Indian culture. this list requires your valuable contribution. in my thinking every person loving nature and its beauty will never run away from sex and there's nothing wrong in talking about sex with like minded friends. regards, rajesh parakh. - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Dear Access India Moderator If this has come to it, and the people like Respected Shadab Hussein have impudence to write like this, then please accept my heartfelt apologies and do unsubscribe my humble self from the list. I am publicly requesting the unsubscription, not because I do not know the procedure to do so on my own, but I want all to know that this list has been a wonderful home to me, but I have fallen below minimum standards desired by it and hence ought to be dispensed with without any mercy. I think I have taken the liberty of thought and expression well within the limits of public morality and all other grounds laid down by our constitution, but if so-called champions of Indian culture feel that I am an immature and unnecessary piece of clay, then let it be so. All said and done, I strongly feel that unsubscription of some of our respected members for continuing to raise forbidden queries, and continuance of others despite their uncivilized and provoking language, is wrong. Hope this group of ours will discuss many useful topics in future and will not listen to sex maniacs like me... Rajesh Asudani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:45 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well sir, Don't say things I haven't said to prove what you are saying is correct - blind being under an obligation to be saintly or asexual. and I still am at a loss to comprehend as to why the visual inability of a person should deprive him/her of all aspects of life. Better, focus on useful topics. I sincerely hope that keeping the important time of members in mind and respecting the moderator you won't respond to this. For God's sake, don't allow me to be impatient. Regards Shadab Husain Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well, responding to my point about Indians shunning to describe even the essentials, you were found to dwell on cultural issues, so you say. So, may I construe your stand in this matter of superiority of Indian culture over western to imply that such omissions are justified? So curious!!! And Shadab you have also wrote: But the one thing I am certain of is that pornography, from the standpoint of psychology, is wrong - not to talk about need. Haven't you studied it in your course? So, Psychology is far from a precise natural science as you seem to imply by demanding a clear statement about pornography being wrong. Pornography may be harmful in some instances as it may encourage irresponsible or nonconsensual sex, but more often than not, it serves as bulwark against such activities by permitting a momentary ventilation to temporary passions without taking them out on unwilling and often unknowing persons. Hardly few rapists are active readers of pornography. And I still am at a loss to comprehend as to why the visual inability of a person should deprive him/her of all aspects of life. It is tantamount to saying, as many people say, that the blind should only recite bhajans and not romantic songs or even the sad songs for that matter. Hence, If the moderator, without determining the questions of culture/morals or blindness being a compulsion to be good/harmless, decides that the focus of this list does not permit giving out sites dealing with accessible pornographic material, then let it be so, but please do not harp on superiority of Indian or any other culture, or moral values of sexual forbearance, or blind being under an obligation to be saintly or asexual for that matter. I vividly remember an instance in my school life when four of my schoolmates were involved in fornication (termed forced sex) later, a question was raised in Maharashtra legislative assembly, as to how these foursome got into a theater and then into a lodge
Re: [AI] query from thahir
Dear Rajesh, you should not be provoked to unsubscribe from the list after reading such comments from champions of Indian culture. this list requires your valuable contribution. in my thinking every person loving nature and its beauty will never run away from sex and there's nothing wrong in talking about sex with like minded friends. regards, rajesh parakh. - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Dear Access India Moderator If this has come to it, and the people like Respected Shadab Hussein have impudence to write like this, then please accept my heartfelt apologies and do unsubscribe my humble self from the list. I am publicly requesting the unsubscription, not because I do not know the procedure to do so on my own, but I want all to know that this list has been a wonderful home to me, but I have fallen below minimum standards desired by it and hence ought to be dispensed with without any mercy. I think I have taken the liberty of thought and expression well within the limits of public morality and all other grounds laid down by our constitution, but if so-called champions of Indian culture feel that I am an immature and unnecessary piece of clay, then let it be so. All said and done, I strongly feel that unsubscription of some of our respected members for continuing to raise forbidden queries, and continuance of others despite their uncivilized and provoking language, is wrong. Hope this group of ours will discuss many useful topics in future and will not listen to sex maniacs like me... Rajesh Asudani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:45 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well sir, Don't say things I haven't said to prove what you are saying is correct - blind being under an obligation to be saintly or asexual. and I still am at a loss to comprehend as to why the visual inability of a person should deprive him/her of all aspects of life. Better, focus on useful topics. I sincerely hope that keeping the important time of members in mind and respecting the moderator you won't respond to this. For God's sake, don't allow me to be impatient. Regards Shadab Husain Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well, responding to my point about Indians shunning to describe even the essentials, you were found to dwell on cultural issues, so you say. So, may I construe your stand in this matter of superiority of Indian culture over western to imply that such omissions are justified? So curious!!! And Shadab you have also wrote: But the one thing I am certain of is that pornography, from the standpoint of psychology, is wrong - not to talk about need. Haven't you studied it in your course? So, Psychology is far from a precise natural science as you seem to imply by demanding a clear statement about pornography being wrong. Pornography may be harmful in some instances as it may encourage irresponsible or nonconsensual sex, but more often than not, it serves as bulwark against such activities by permitting a momentary ventilation to temporary passions without taking them out on unwilling and often unknowing persons. Hardly few rapists are active readers of pornography. And I still am at a loss to comprehend as to why the visual inability of a person should deprive him/her of all aspects of life. It is tantamount to saying, as many people say, that the blind should only recite bhajans and not romantic songs or even the sad songs for that matter. Hence, If the moderator, without determining the questions of culture/morals or blindness being a compulsion to be good/harmless, decides that the focus of this list does not permit giving out sites dealing with accessible pornographic material, then let it be so, but please do not harp on superiority of Indian or any other culture, or moral values of sexual forbearance, or blind being under an obligation to be saintly or asexual for that matter. I vividly remember an instance in my school life when four of my schoolmates were involved in fornication (termed forced sex) later, a question was raised in Maharashtra legislative assembly, as to how these foursome got into a theater and then into a lodge despite their blindness and committed
Re: [AI] query from thahir
Okay Moderator. The hard decisions need to be taken sometimes. I believe it is members privillege to express their opinions about what can be accepted on the list and what not. But still it is not their right. If it becomes free for all giving their interpretations, there will be a huge commotion and needless traffick on the list. So we have a moderator to take a final decision. Now that the decision has been taken and widely endorsed by the list members, why do we have these mails? How about putting the repeat offenders on a moderated status? It is not easy but perhaps mandatory for the peace. The welcome message we got at the time of joining confirmed that this list was more for information and problem solving, rather than expressing and forcingg opinions. So shouldn't we consider the messages that threaten, sulk, fight, shout about the moderator's decision, off topic? If so, isn't it proper to put such members on moderated status? - Original Message - From: Rajesh Parakh rajeshparak...@yahoo.co.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Dear Rajesh, you should not be provoked to unsubscribe from the list after reading such comments from champions of Indian culture. this list requires your valuable contribution. in my thinking every person loving nature and its beauty will never run away from sex and there's nothing wrong in talking about sex with like minded friends. regards, rajesh parakh. - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Dear Access India Moderator If this has come to it, and the people like Respected Shadab Hussein have impudence to write like this, then please accept my heartfelt apologies and do unsubscribe my humble self from the list. I am publicly requesting the unsubscription, not because I do not know the procedure to do so on my own, but I want all to know that this list has been a wonderful home to me, but I have fallen below minimum standards desired by it and hence ought to be dispensed with without any mercy. I think I have taken the liberty of thought and expression well within the limits of public morality and all other grounds laid down by our constitution, but if so-called champions of Indian culture feel that I am an immature and unnecessary piece of clay, then let it be so. All said and done, I strongly feel that unsubscription of some of our respected members for continuing to raise forbidden queries, and continuance of others despite their uncivilized and provoking language, is wrong. Hope this group of ours will discuss many useful topics in future and will not listen to sex maniacs like me... Rajesh Asudani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:45 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well sir, Don't say things I haven't said to prove what you are saying is correct - blind being under an obligation to be saintly or asexual. and I still am at a loss to comprehend as to why the visual inability of a person should deprive him/her of all aspects of life. Better, focus on useful topics. I sincerely hope that keeping the important time of members in mind and respecting the moderator you won't respond to this. For God's sake, don't allow me to be impatient. Regards Shadab Husain Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well, responding to my point about Indians shunning to describe even the essentials, you were found to dwell on cultural issues, so you say. So, may I construe your stand in this matter of superiority of Indian culture over western to imply that such omissions are justified? So curious!!! And Shadab you have also wrote: But the one thing I am certain of is that pornography, from the standpoint of psychology, is wrong - not to talk about need. Haven't you studied it in your course? So, Psychology is far from a precise natural science as you seem to imply by demanding a clear statement about pornography being wrong. Pornography may be harmful in some instances as it may encourage irresponsible or nonconsensual sex, but more often than not, it serves as bulwark against such activities by permitting a momentary ventilation
Re: [AI] query from thahir
Hi Moderator and all lists' Members, There is no limit or end Discussion on any topic. But, we should take care of this matter that every discussion should be useful for VH persons according to guidelines of this group and moderator's decision will be final on any controversy or dispute, otherwise no such group may run smoothly. Regards, Rakesh. - Original Message - From: Vidya joshvi...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Okay Moderator. The hard decisions need to be taken sometimes. I believe it is members privillege to express their opinions about what can be accepted on the list and what not. But still it is not their right. If it becomes free for all giving their interpretations, there will be a huge commotion and needless traffick on the list. So we have a moderator to take a final decision. Now that the decision has been taken and widely endorsed by the list members, why do we have these mails? How about putting the repeat offenders on a moderated status? It is not easy but perhaps mandatory for the peace. The welcome message we got at the time of joining confirmed that this list was more for information and problem solving, rather than expressing and forcingg opinions. So shouldn't we consider the messages that threaten, sulk, fight, shout about the moderator's decision, off topic? If so, isn't it proper to put such members on moderated status? - Original Message - From: Rajesh Parakh rajeshparak...@yahoo.co.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Dear Rajesh, you should not be provoked to unsubscribe from the list after reading such comments from champions of Indian culture. this list requires your valuable contribution. in my thinking every person loving nature and its beauty will never run away from sex and there's nothing wrong in talking about sex with like minded friends. regards, rajesh parakh. - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Dear Access India Moderator If this has come to it, and the people like Respected Shadab Hussein have impudence to write like this, then please accept my heartfelt apologies and do unsubscribe my humble self from the list. I am publicly requesting the unsubscription, not because I do not know the procedure to do so on my own, but I want all to know that this list has been a wonderful home to me, but I have fallen below minimum standards desired by it and hence ought to be dispensed with without any mercy. I think I have taken the liberty of thought and expression well within the limits of public morality and all other grounds laid down by our constitution, but if so-called champions of Indian culture feel that I am an immature and unnecessary piece of clay, then let it be so. All said and done, I strongly feel that unsubscription of some of our respected members for continuing to raise forbidden queries, and continuance of others despite their uncivilized and provoking language, is wrong. Hope this group of ours will discuss many useful topics in future and will not listen to sex maniacs like me... Rajesh Asudani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:45 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well sir, Don't say things I haven't said to prove what you are saying is correct - blind being under an obligation to be saintly or asexual. and I still am at a loss to comprehend as to why the visual inability of a person should deprive him/her of all aspects of life. Better, focus on useful topics. I sincerely hope that keeping the important time of members in mind and respecting the moderator you won't respond to this. For God's sake, don't allow me to be impatient. Regards Shadab Husain Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well, responding to my point about Indians shunning to describe even the essentials, you were found to dwell on cultural issues, so you say. So, may I construe your stand in this matter of superiority of Indian culture over western to imply that such omissions are justified? So curious!!! And Shadab you
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It is once again very sad to see such mails. back in 90s, Mohindar Amarnath and Chetan Sharma had compared BCCI selection committee members with Jokers. it is really wrong to be even tempted to say such exclamations here, but it won't be surprising if someone utters things like this after going through such mails. It's too much now and Harishbhai, I salute to your tolerence. Regards. Sandesh - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Dear Access India Moderator If this has come to it, and the people like Respected Shadab Hussein have impudence to write like this, then please accept my heartfelt apologies and do unsubscribe my humble self from the list. I am publicly requesting the unsubscription, not because I do not know the procedure to do so on my own, but I want all to know that this list has been a wonderful home to me, but I have fallen below minimum standards desired by it and hence ought to be dispensed with without any mercy. I think I have taken the liberty of thought and expression well within the limits of public morality and all other grounds laid down by our constitution, but if so-called champions of Indian culture feel that I am an immature and unnecessary piece of clay, then let it be so. All said and done, I strongly feel that unsubscription of some of our respected members for continuing to raise forbidden queries, and continuance of others despite their uncivilized and provoking language, is wrong. Hope this group of ours will discuss many useful topics in future and will not listen to sex maniacs like me... Rajesh Asudani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:45 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well sir, Don't say things I haven't said to prove what you are saying is correct - blind being under an obligation to be saintly or asexual. and I still am at a loss to comprehend as to why the visual inability of a person should deprive him/her of all aspects of life. Better, focus on useful topics. I sincerely hope that keeping the important time of members in mind and respecting the moderator you won't respond to this. For God's sake, don't allow me to be impatient. Regards Shadab Husain Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well, responding to my point about Indians shunning to describe even the essentials, you were found to dwell on cultural issues, so you say. So, may I construe your stand in this matter of superiority of Indian culture over western to imply that such omissions are justified? So curious!!! And Shadab you have also wrote: But the one thing I am certain of is that pornography, from the standpoint of psychology, is wrong - not to talk about need. Haven't you studied it in your course? So, Psychology is far from a precise natural science as you seem to imply by demanding a clear statement about pornography being wrong. Pornography may be harmful in some instances as it may encourage irresponsible or nonconsensual sex, but more often than not, it serves as bulwark against such activities by permitting a momentary ventilation to temporary passions without taking them out on unwilling and often unknowing persons. Hardly few rapists are active readers of pornography. And I still am at a loss to comprehend as to why the visual inability of a person should deprive him/her of all aspects of life. It is tantamount to saying, as many people say, that the blind should only recite bhajans and not romantic songs or even the sad songs for that matter. Hence, If the moderator, without determining the questions of culture/morals or blindness being a compulsion to be good/harmless, decides that the focus of this list does not permit giving out sites dealing with accessible pornographic material, then let it be so, but please do not harp on superiority of Indian or any other culture, or moral values of sexual forbearance, or blind being under an obligation to be saintly or asexual for that matter. I vividly remember an instance in my school life when four of my schoolmates were involved in fornication (termed forced sex) later, a question was raised in Maharashtra legislative assembly, as to how these foursome got
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Well sir, Don't say things I haven't said to prove what you are saying is correct - blind being under an obligation to be saintly or asexual. and I still am at a loss to comprehend as to why the visual inability of a person should deprive him/her of all aspects of life. Better, focus on useful topics. I sincerely hope that keeping the important time of members in mind and respecting the moderator you won't respond to this. For God's sake, don't allow me to be impatient. Regards Shadab Husain Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well, responding to my point about Indians shunning to describe even the essentials, you were found to dwell on cultural issues, so you say. So, may I construe your stand in this matter of superiority of Indian culture over western to imply that such omissions are justified? So curious!!! And Shadab you have also wrote: But the one thing I am certain of is that pornography, from the standpoint of psychology, is wrong - not to talk about need. Haven't you studied it in your course? So, Psychology is far from a precise natural science as you seem to imply by demanding a clear statement about pornography being wrong. Pornography may be harmful in some instances as it may encourage irresponsible or nonconsensual sex, but more often than not, it serves as bulwark against such activities by permitting a momentary ventilation to temporary passions without taking them out on unwilling and often unknowing persons. Hardly few rapists are active readers of pornography. And I still am at a loss to comprehend as to why the visual inability of a person should deprive him/her of all aspects of life. It is tantamount to saying, as many people say, that the blind should only recite bhajans and not romantic songs or even the sad songs for that matter. Hence, If the moderator, without determining the questions of culture/morals or blindness being a compulsion to be good/harmless, decides that the focus of this list does not permit giving out sites dealing with accessible pornographic material, then let it be so, but please do not harp on superiority of Indian or any other culture, or moral values of sexual forbearance, or blind being under an obligation to be saintly or asexual for that matter. I vividly remember an instance in my school life when four of my schoolmates were involved in fornication (termed forced sex) later, a question was raised in Maharashtra legislative assembly, as to how these foursome got into a theater and then into a lodge despite their blindness and committed the act??? Though remorseful about the event, we nonetheless regarded it as step towards integration and were more outraged at the stupid MLAs who truly reflected constricted mindset of society at large. And for those who are interested, the site http://the-clitoris.com is a beautiful and accessible site on feminine sexuality, and not clearly pornographic as it seems to be defined here. Regards Rajesh Regards Rajesh -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:44 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Rajesh sir: Otherwise, so prudish are we the Indians, that even video described movies like Black, we shun to describe scenes involving expressions of love, kissing, for instance, even though such scenes form the essence of the movie and are inextricably linked to its theme. I never intended to indulge into discussion of cultural or moral values, but responding to this, I was bound to. Well, respecting the consensus and logic, I feel that now we must stop discussing this topic. Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: Mahesh Panicker maheshspanic...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir a highly controversial question indeed. as expected there are people with different views on the matter. I believe the question as such does come broadly under issues of accessibility. I can understand
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Dear Access India Moderator If this has come to it, and the people like Respected Shadab Hussein have impudence to write like this, then please accept my heartfelt apologies and do unsubscribe my humble self from the list. I am publicly requesting the unsubscription, not because I do not know the procedure to do so on my own, but I want all to know that this list has been a wonderful home to me, but I have fallen below minimum standards desired by it and hence ought to be dispensed with without any mercy. I think I have taken the liberty of thought and expression well within the limits of public morality and all other grounds laid down by our constitution, but if so-called champions of Indian culture feel that I am an immature and unnecessary piece of clay, then let it be so. All said and done, I strongly feel that unsubscription of some of our respected members for continuing to raise forbidden queries, and continuance of others despite their uncivilized and provoking language, is wrong. Hope this group of ours will discuss many useful topics in future and will not listen to sex maniacs like me... Rajesh Asudani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:45 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well sir, Don't say things I haven't said to prove what you are saying is correct - blind being under an obligation to be saintly or asexual. and I still am at a loss to comprehend as to why the visual inability of a person should deprive him/her of all aspects of life. Better, focus on useful topics. I sincerely hope that keeping the important time of members in mind and respecting the moderator you won't respond to this. For God's sake, don't allow me to be impatient. Regards Shadab Husain Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well, responding to my point about Indians shunning to describe even the essentials, you were found to dwell on cultural issues, so you say. So, may I construe your stand in this matter of superiority of Indian culture over western to imply that such omissions are justified? So curious!!! And Shadab you have also wrote: But the one thing I am certain of is that pornography, from the standpoint of psychology, is wrong - not to talk about need. Haven't you studied it in your course? So, Psychology is far from a precise natural science as you seem to imply by demanding a clear statement about pornography being wrong. Pornography may be harmful in some instances as it may encourage irresponsible or nonconsensual sex, but more often than not, it serves as bulwark against such activities by permitting a momentary ventilation to temporary passions without taking them out on unwilling and often unknowing persons. Hardly few rapists are active readers of pornography. And I still am at a loss to comprehend as to why the visual inability of a person should deprive him/her of all aspects of life. It is tantamount to saying, as many people say, that the blind should only recite bhajans and not romantic songs or even the sad songs for that matter. Hence, If the moderator, without determining the questions of culture/morals or blindness being a compulsion to be good/harmless, decides that the focus of this list does not permit giving out sites dealing with accessible pornographic material, then let it be so, but please do not harp on superiority of Indian or any other culture, or moral values of sexual forbearance, or blind being under an obligation to be saintly or asexual for that matter. I vividly remember an instance in my school life when four of my schoolmates were involved in fornication (termed forced sex) later, a question was raised in Maharashtra legislative assembly, as to how these foursome got into a theater and then into a lodge despite their blindness and committed the act??? Though remorseful about the event, we nonetheless regarded it as step towards integration and were more outraged at the stupid MLAs who truly reflected constricted mindset of society at large. And for those who are interested, the site http://the-clitoris.com is a beautiful and accessible site on feminine sexuality, and not clearly pornographic as it seems to be defined here. Regards Rajesh Regards Rajesh -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun
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I am forced to share something very similar that happened to me. I started to smoke as early as when I was 14, long before I realised RP would cause blindness to me. However, smoking wasn't something I could immediately get rid of and I found it to be the best way to bond with everyone especially with those of my age group who are quite fine with it. But I started to realise people -especially those who unnecessarily placed me on a higher pedestal thanks to my blindness- did judge me on the basis of that one habit. Those who spoke with me well refused to say hello after seeing me smoke. Ironically, a large number of them are smokers themselves (so much for Indian culture). Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:26 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well, responding to my point about Indians shunning to describe even the essentials, you were found to dwell on cultural issues, so you say. So, may I construe your stand in this matter of superiority of Indian culture over western to imply that such omissions are justified? So curious!!! And Shadab you have also wrote: But the one thing I am certain of is that pornography, from the standpoint of psychology, is wrong - not to talk about need. Haven't you studied it in your course? So, Psychology is far from a precise natural science as you seem to imply by demanding a clear statement about pornography being wrong. Pornography may be harmful in some instances as it may encourage irresponsible or nonconsensual sex, but more often than not, it serves as bulwark against such activities by permitting a momentary ventilation to temporary passions without taking them out on unwilling and often unknowing persons. Hardly few rapists are active readers of pornography. And I still am at a loss to comprehend as to why the visual inability of a person should deprive him/her of all aspects of life. It is tantamount to saying, as many people say, that the blind should only recite bhajans and not romantic songs or even the sad songs for that matter. Hence, If the moderator, without determining the questions of culture/morals or blindness being a compulsion to be good/harmless, decides that the focus of this list does not permit giving out sites dealing with accessible pornographic material, then let it be so, but please do not harp on superiority of Indian or any other culture, or moral values of sexual forbearance, or blind being under an obligation to be saintly or asexual for that matter. I vividly remember an instance in my school life when four of my schoolmates were involved in fornication (termed forced sex) later, a question was raised in Maharashtra legislative assembly, as to how these foursome got into a theater and then into a lodge despite their blindness and committed the act??? Though remorseful about the event, we nonetheless regarded it as step towards integration and were more outraged at the stupid MLAs who truly reflected constricted mindset of society at large. And for those who are interested, the site http://the-clitoris.com is a beautiful and accessible site on feminine sexuality, and not clearly pornographic as it seems to be defined here. Regards Rajesh Regards Rajesh -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:44 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Rajesh sir: Otherwise, so prudish are we the Indians, that even video described movies like Black, we shun to describe scenes involving expressions of love, kissing, for instance, even though such scenes form the essence of the movie and are inextricably linked to its theme. I never intended to indulge into discussion of cultural or moral values, but responding to this, I was bound to. Well, respecting the consensus and logic, I feel that now we must stop discussing this topic. Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html #link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00% 3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: Mahesh Panicker maheshspanic...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir a highly controversial question indeed. as expected there are people with different views on the matter. I believe the question as such does come broadly under issues of accessibility. I can understand the arguements against this on the basis of too much of things for the list to handil and therefor the possibility of losing
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Well, responding to my point about Indians shunning to describe even the essentials, you were found to dwell on cultural issues, so you say. So, may I construe your stand in this matter of superiority of Indian culture over western to imply that such omissions are justified? So curious!!! And Shadab you have also wrote: But the one thing I am certain of is that pornography, from the standpoint of psychology, is wrong - not to talk about need. Haven't you studied it in your course? So, Psychology is far from a precise natural science as you seem to imply by demanding a clear statement about pornography being wrong. Pornography may be harmful in some instances as it may encourage irresponsible or nonconsensual sex, but more often than not, it serves as bulwark against such activities by permitting a momentary ventilation to temporary passions without taking them out on unwilling and often unknowing persons. Hardly few rapists are active readers of pornography. And I still am at a loss to comprehend as to why the visual inability of a person should deprive him/her of all aspects of life. It is tantamount to saying, as many people say, that the blind should only recite bhajans and not romantic songs or even the sad songs for that matter. Hence, If the moderator, without determining the questions of culture/morals or blindness being a compulsion to be good/harmless, decides that the focus of this list does not permit giving out sites dealing with accessible pornographic material, then let it be so, but please do not harp on superiority of Indian or any other culture, or moral values of sexual forbearance, or blind being under an obligation to be saintly or asexual for that matter. I vividly remember an instance in my school life when four of my schoolmates were involved in fornication (termed forced sex) later, a question was raised in Maharashtra legislative assembly, as to how these foursome got into a theater and then into a lodge despite their blindness and committed the act??? Though remorseful about the event, we nonetheless regarded it as step towards integration and were more outraged at the stupid MLAs who truly reflected constricted mindset of society at large. And for those who are interested, the site http://the-clitoris.com is a beautiful and accessible site on feminine sexuality, and not clearly pornographic as it seems to be defined here. Regards Rajesh Regards Rajesh -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:44 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Rajesh sir: Otherwise, so prudish are we the Indians, that even video described movies like Black, we shun to describe scenes involving expressions of love, kissing, for instance, even though such scenes form the essence of the movie and are inextricably linked to its theme. I never intended to indulge into discussion of cultural or moral values, but responding to this, I was bound to. Well, respecting the consensus and logic, I feel that now we must stop discussing this topic. Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: Mahesh Panicker maheshspanic...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir a highly controversial question indeed. as expected there are people with different views on the matter. I believe the question as such does come broadly under issues of accessibility. I can understand the arguements against this on the basis of too much of things for the list to handil and therefor the possibility of losing focus. but culture, Indian culture, well that is all together a different issue. ones morality, values are all shaped in the context in which one is brought up. that is different for different people. but the moment one says that his or her values are higher than that of some one else, then that is big trouble. in fact, that is the language of fascism. I certainly don't think access India is the forum for moral policing by any means. anybody have the freedom to access or not access pornographic materials, but I believe any questions on the matter should not be restricted on the basis of a culture based arguement, as that might end up supporting those elemends in the society, who are against tolerence and inclusivity. olso one must remember in this context, 'Kamasutra' was not authered by an American or a Europian, but by Vatsyayana, the great Indian sage. so on the basis of focus OK, but please, not that cultural thing
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It is very sad to read on the subject again and again despite moderaters' stand of closing the thread. more frustrating is that here, efforts seem to have been made to prove individual points rather than the very essence of the subject. moderators views are clearly shown Dhaba. Regards. Sandesh - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well, responding to my point about Indians shunning to describe even the essentials, you were found to dwell on cultural issues, so you say. So, may I construe your stand in this matter of superiority of Indian culture over western to imply that such omissions are justified? So curious!!! And Shadab you have also wrote: But the one thing I am certain of is that pornography, from the standpoint of psychology, is wrong - not to talk about need. Haven't you studied it in your course? So, Psychology is far from a precise natural science as you seem to imply by demanding a clear statement about pornography being wrong. Pornography may be harmful in some instances as it may encourage irresponsible or nonconsensual sex, but more often than not, it serves as bulwark against such activities by permitting a momentary ventilation to temporary passions without taking them out on unwilling and often unknowing persons. Hardly few rapists are active readers of pornography. And I still am at a loss to comprehend as to why the visual inability of a person should deprive him/her of all aspects of life. It is tantamount to saying, as many people say, that the blind should only recite bhajans and not romantic songs or even the sad songs for that matter. Hence, If the moderator, without determining the questions of culture/morals or blindness being a compulsion to be good/harmless, decides that the focus of this list does not permit giving out sites dealing with accessible pornographic material, then let it be so, but please do not harp on superiority of Indian or any other culture, or moral values of sexual forbearance, or blind being under an obligation to be saintly or asexual for that matter. I vividly remember an instance in my school life when four of my schoolmates were involved in fornication (termed forced sex) later, a question was raised in Maharashtra legislative assembly, as to how these foursome got into a theater and then into a lodge despite their blindness and committed the act??? Though remorseful about the event, we nonetheless regarded it as step towards integration and were more outraged at the stupid MLAs who truly reflected constricted mindset of society at large. And for those who are interested, the site http://the-clitoris.com is a beautiful and accessible site on feminine sexuality, and not clearly pornographic as it seems to be defined here. Regards Rajesh Regards Rajesh -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:44 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Rajesh sir: Otherwise, so prudish are we the Indians, that even video described movies like Black, we shun to describe scenes involving expressions of love, kissing, for instance, even though such scenes form the essence of the movie and are inextricably linked to its theme. I never intended to indulge into discussion of cultural or moral values, but responding to this, I was bound to. Well, respecting the consensus and logic, I feel that now we must stop discussing this topic. Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: Mahesh Panicker maheshspanic...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir a highly controversial question indeed. as expected there are people with different views on the matter. I believe the question as such does come broadly under issues of accessibility. I can understand the arguements against this on the basis of too much of things for the list to handil and therefor the possibility of losing focus. but culture, Indian culture, well that is all together a different issue. ones morality, values are all shaped in the context in which one is brought up. that is different for different people. but the moment one says that his or her values are higher than that of some one else, then that is big trouble. in fact, that is the language of fascism. I certainly don't think access India is the forum for moral policing by any
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dear harish, i must tell you with pain that you have misconstrued the focus in my qquerry. i asked the question here simply because it was something related to visual impairment and accessibility. when i put that simple question, i did not intend to convert access india mailing list into a forum for porn talk. i know fully well that this is not the group for such talk and that there are a number of groups and forums exclusively devoted to such stuff. answering a question on accessibility to the point evenif it is one related to pornography, i believe, will not make a mailing list obscene and its members, both male and female, vulgar. - Original Message - From: harish har...@accessindia.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Hi all Yes, there are 2 groups on yahoogroups which may allow discussion of romance and sexuality. Regarding outright porn talk, you may have to seek clarification from the respective moderator. The 2 lists which I am refering are: 1 dreamromance 2 sayeverything There would be more lists internationally and one can make a search on Yahoogroups orat google. . I have followed the points from other members both for and against. However, I am not convinced why should AccessIndia take it up when there are other active groups catering to this requirement or so called need. Delibrate folks, rationally and don't get personal. I opened this thread for healthy discussion and not to settle scores. Harish - Original Message - From: mahendra gal...@chello.at To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir i am glad, we can talk on this matter, i fully support Rajesh's view. Harish are there such email groups? if yes, please Harish or members share them. At 07:54 AM 3/13/2009, you wrote: Dear Rajesh and others Do appreciate the points raised, However, let us have the group focused and on rails. Besides there are groups especially catering this requirement. So, let us not tred on their shoes. I am opening the thread for inputs from all quarters. Harish. Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:57:06 +0530 From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well, I think being a member of this group for so many years, I do have a certain right to say something on this matter, despite the closure of threat. I think the question does relate to accessibility and internet for visually impaired, and as such, may be legitimately construed to be within bounds of the group, but for the fact that pornography or any sexually colored material is illegal in India and so the group may not discuss anything illegal. However, please remember that law does change with mores of society and what is a taboo today is a common sense of tomorrow. Moreover, binding accessibility to legality is unfair, me thinks. Sight does not regard the bounds of legality or otherwise. Life with its joys and enchantments ought to be equally available to all, is the hallmark of accessibility. And Shadab, the ones whom you have, without any moderatorial jurisdiction, publicly termed raunchy, are the respected members of community, working and teaching in reputed institutions. A person does not become antisocial merely by recognizing inherent needs of all human kind. rather it is undu suppression and repression of the same which renders humans brute many a times. Only objection to the query in the message is manifest illegality of the pornography in India, but the effort about universality of accessibility is commendable. On this note, I would like to share that the movie Dev D is said to have bypassed censors by substituting sexually explicit scenes with dialogue which is less appealing to sight but more appealing I think to listeners like us. Maybe, the director, though not consciously thinking about accessibility, has achieved the aim partially at least. I intend to watch it shortly and call upon all the visually impaired to do so to get an experience. of the movie. Otherwise, so prudish are we the Indians, that even video described movies like Black, we shun to describe scenes involving expressions of love, kissing, for instance, even though such scenes form the essence of the movie and are inextricably linked to its theme. As a result, we the visually impaired, are far lagging behind in comprehending the social life about us. I do recall an instance where I myself, even though I was past the age of sweet twenty and two, instinctively rubbed my hands clean when kissed good night by an interested and interesting friend of mine some decade and a half ago. Let us cast away our artificial reserve and strive for accessibility in all fields. Life, by default is sharply constricted due to any disability, let us not constrict it further by man made objections. Yes, if the group is strictly confined
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Expressing one's view is certainly human, but we need to consider a few things before we do that. 1. the place: I feel this group has women members. Though we can't presume all of them will be against this sort of a discussion, I feel it flouts any kind of decency. 2. Context: this group is meant to discuss technology under certain permissible limits. As Harish has already mentioned there are places to discuss romance and that sort of things. 3. Precedence: if you wish to discuss pornography, someone else would like to discuss hacking or virtually anything that is generally regarded as unacceptable by a large majority of people. So, while we have no right telling someone what he or she must do, I feel on equal measure, everyone has to respect the forum in which we are discussing things. I don't want to sound like the moderator, but I feel certain things are commonsensical and we shouldn't wait until the moderator slams a mail to stop us. Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:43 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir. Hi sir, good morning! I presume that this email was intended for anyone else but by mistake it has been sent in reply to mine! You would have read my response to Mr Thahir where I tried furnishing some irrefutable points against pornography. For the Indian and western thing, please read the email I sent responding to Maheshji. I never said that more members are in favour or against it. But someone said, just because 1 particular member doesn't likes any subject, wouldn't it be wrong to ban it all together? Wasn't it necessary for me to tell the fact which is actually otherwise? Although I was astonished because the same person wrote, i'm really surprised to see why is every1 so shocked to see 1 normal, basic topic? Everyone and one particular person at the same time. Regards! Shadab Husain Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html #link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00% 3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: mahendra gal...@chello.at To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir. i am not sure, that people are not in favour of having this topic, let member speak for them selfs!. and please discuss topic, and not who is in favour and who is against this matter. i suppose, people think, because this topic is tabu in our sosiaty that most are against it. expressing the views is not western or Indian!!. its uman. At 06:21 PM 3/13/2009, you wrote: You leave everything on the moderator and then go on writing in favour of pornography. Your comparison of this topic to Hindi movies and youtube seems to be totally out of order. Majority of male members is against this topic. How can you say that only one person is against it? We haven't still heard from any of the female members, many of whom will be against it - though they might not say. Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.htm l#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00 %3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: ruchir falodiya ruchir.falod...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir. respected members, please leave the decision on the honorable moderator. as far as i can understand, accessindia is an open public forum and have its strength in unity despite its diversity. i'm really surprised to see why is every1 so shocked to see 1 normal, basic topic? we all live in a socialized culture in presence of movies, videos and internet have been an equal medium to share and learn from each other. weather the information seems good to you or not, it exists, and can not just be ban or completely removed according to once wish. a good example illustrating this point could be youtube. just because 1 particular member doesn't likes any subject, wouldn't it be wrong to ban it all together? if that would be the case, let us all start a protest against hindi cinema, and against 90% of movies? well, honestly, this conversation can get ugly very quickly. i, once again agree that accessindia is not primarily forum for such topics, but banning a thread just on wish of few members and their thoughts, prospective and ideas wouldn't be right. regards, ruchir. -- As long as forever, I
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Hi Thahir, Discussion of accessibility of washing machines or Microwave ovens is very much within the pirview of this list, since these are gadgets and are therefore related to technology. However, if we begin discussing accessible porn sites, there will be no end to this interpretation of accessibility -- there could soon be queries about accessible sites with information for producing bombs or stealing credit card information. So where do you draw the line? Geetha - Original Message - From: Thahir P C pctha...@gmail.com To: Geetha Shamanna gee...@millernorbert.de; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir dear geetha shamanna, suppose i make a querry about sites or blogs where i will get information about accessible washing machine or microwave oven in access india, will you not answer that question ? wil it be considered an off-topic question? do you think simply answering that question will kick off an off-topic chaotic discussion on washing techniques, detergents, recipes and dieting? in case such a thing happens, there comes the relevance of the moderator. - Original Message - From: Geetha Shamanna gee...@millernorbert.de To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Hi Rajesh and all, While I agree with you that a mature and unbiased discussion of accessible pornographic material is well within the boundaries of this list, imagine the chaos the list would descend into if every other person began posting links to porn sites on this list under the guise of accessibility? Considering that this list is already devoted to a subject as vast as accessible information technology, let us confine ourselves to doing justice to this subject and not branch out into discussing accessible porn sites, accessible cookery sites, accessible knitting sites and so on. While all these subjects come under the pirview of accessibility, a single mailing list cannot do justice to every accessibility-related subject. In an age when creating a new mailing list takes no more than a couple of minutes, why choke an already congested list with more mail? Just my two cents... Geetha - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well, I think being a member of this group for so many years, I do have a certain right to say something on this matter, despite the closure of threat. I think the question does relate to accessibility and internet for visually impaired, and as such, may be legitimately construed to be within bounds of the group, but for the fact that pornography or any sexually colored material is illegal in India and so the group may not discuss anything illegal. However, please remember that law does change with mores of society and what is a taboo today is a common sense of tomorrow. Moreover, binding accessibility to legality is unfair, me thinks. Sight does not regard the bounds of legality or otherwise. Life with its joys and enchantments ought to be equally available to all, is the hallmark of accessibility. And Shadab, the ones whom you have, without any moderatorial jurisdiction, publicly termed raunchy, are the respected members of community, working and teaching in reputed institutions. A person does not become antisocial merely by recognizing inherent needs of all human kind. rather it is undu suppression and repression of the same which renders humans brute many a times. Only objection to the query in the message is manifest illegality of the pornography in India, but the effort about universality of accessibility is commendable. On this note, I would like to share that the movie Dev D is said to have bypassed censors by substituting sexually explicit scenes with dialogue which is less appealing to sight but more appealing I think to listeners like us. Maybe, the director, though not consciously thinking about accessibility, has achieved the aim partially at least. I intend to watch it shortly and call upon all the visually impaired to do so to get an experience. of the movie. Otherwise, so prudish are we the Indians, that even video described movies like Black, we shun to describe scenes involving expressions of love, kissing, for instance, even though such scenes form the essence of the movie and are inextricably linked to its theme. As a result, we the visually impaired, are far lagging behind in comprehending the social life about us. I do recall an instance where I myself, even though I was past the age of sweet twenty and two, instinctively rubbed my hands clean when kissed good night by an interested and interesting friend of mine some decade and a half ago. Let us cast away our artificial reserve and strive for accessibility in all fields. Life
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Dear Brothers and Sisters, I am extremely sorry to continue the aforesaid thread. But I am forced to express my views. This is my humble request to all that many expressed their views on this topic and please! please! do not further continue it. We all are living together and we should learn to respect our family members. We are fortunate that we all are well educated. So, my appeal to all is that kindly remain focused to the social moto of this list. Our society is not so open as West to accept any Tom, Dick and Harry. Discussions are good; through discussions only one can learn many things. But, discuss those topics which are socially accepted. I am sorry again because I know that I did hurt some of our members. Take care and keep smiling. -- With best regards, Mahesh Narasimhan Mobile No.: +91 9899353960 E-Mails: maheshde...@gmail.com, mahesh_de...@rediffmail.com On 3/14/09, Subramani L lsubram...@deccanherald.co.in wrote: Expressing one's view is certainly human, but we need to consider a few things before we do that. 1. the place: I feel this group has women members. Though we can't presume all of them will be against this sort of a discussion, I feel it flouts any kind of decency. 2. Context: this group is meant to discuss technology under certain permissible limits. As Harish has already mentioned there are places to discuss romance and that sort of things. 3. Precedence: if you wish to discuss pornography, someone else would like to discuss hacking or virtually anything that is generally regarded as unacceptable by a large majority of people. So, while we have no right telling someone what he or she must do, I feel on equal measure, everyone has to respect the forum in which we are discussing things. I don't want to sound like the moderator, but I feel certain things are commonsensical and we shouldn't wait until the moderator slams a mail to stop us. Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:43 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir. Hi sir, good morning! I presume that this email was intended for anyone else but by mistake it has been sent in reply to mine! You would have read my response to Mr Thahir where I tried furnishing some irrefutable points against pornography. For the Indian and western thing, please read the email I sent responding to Maheshji. I never said that more members are in favour or against it. But someone said, just because 1 particular member doesn't likes any subject, wouldn't it be wrong to ban it all together? Wasn't it necessary for me to tell the fact which is actually otherwise? Although I was astonished because the same person wrote, i'm really surprised to see why is every1 so shocked to see 1 normal, basic topic? Everyone and one particular person at the same time. Regards! Shadab Husain Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html #link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00% 3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: mahendra gal...@chello.at To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir. i am not sure, that people are not in favour of having this topic, let member speak for them selfs!. and please discuss topic, and not who is in favour and who is against this matter. i suppose, people think, because this topic is tabu in our sosiaty that most are against it. expressing the views is not western or Indian!!. its uman. At 06:21 PM 3/13/2009, you wrote: You leave everything on the moderator and then go on writing in favour of pornography. Your comparison of this topic to Hindi movies and youtube seems to be totally out of order. Majority of male members is against this topic. How can you say that only one person is against it? We haven't still heard from any of the female members, many of whom will be against it - though they might not say. Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.htm l#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00 %3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: ruchir falodiya ruchir.falod...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir. respected members, please leave the decision on the honorable moderator. as far as i can understand, accessindia
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hi, it is good if we put an end to fighting on accessindia but certainly it is not list to discuss such things. it is left to harish our beloved moderator who can put an end to this discussions. On 3/14/09, Shadab Husain shadab...@gmail.com wrote: Hi sir, good morning! I presume that this email was intended for anyone else but by mistake it has been sent in reply to mine! You would have read my response to Mr Thahir where I tried furnishing some irrefutable points against pornography. For the Indian and western thing, please read the email I sent responding to Maheshji. I never said that more members are in favour or against it. But someone said, just because 1 particular member doesn't likes any subject, wouldn't it be wrong to ban it all together? Wasn't it necessary for me to tell the fact which is actually otherwise? Although I was astonished because the same person wrote, i'm really surprised to see why is every1 so shocked to see 1 normal, basic topic? Everyone and one particular person at the same time. Regards! Shadab Husain Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: mahendra gal...@chello.at To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir. i am not sure, that people are not in favour of having this topic, let member speak for them selfs!. and please discuss topic, and not who is in favour and who is against this matter. i suppose, people think, because this topic is tabu in our sosiaty that most are against it. expressing the views is not western or Indian!!. its uman. At 06:21 PM 3/13/2009, you wrote: You leave everything on the moderator and then go on writing in favour of pornography. Your comparison of this topic to Hindi movies and youtube seems to be totally out of order. Majority of male members is against this topic. How can you say that only one person is against it? We haven't still heard from any of the female members, many of whom will be against it - though they might not say. Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: ruchir falodiya ruchir.falod...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir. respected members, please leave the decision on the honorable moderator. as far as i can understand, accessindia is an open public forum and have its strength in unity despite its diversity. i'm really surprised to see why is every1 so shocked to see 1 normal, basic topic? we all live in a socialized culture in presence of movies, videos and internet have been an equal medium to share and learn from each other. weather the information seems good to you or not, it exists, and can not just be ban or completely removed according to once wish. a good example illustrating this point could be youtube. just because 1 particular member doesn't likes any subject, wouldn't it be wrong to ban it all together? if that would be the case, let us all start a protest against hindi cinema, and against 90% of movies? well, honestly, this conversation can get ugly very quickly. i, once again agree that accessindia is not primarily forum for such topics, but banning a thread just on wish of few members and their thoughts, prospective and ideas wouldn't be right. regards, ruchir. -- As long as forever, I will stay by your side, I'll be your companion, Your friend and your guide!!! www.ruchir89.wordpress.com To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in with warm regards Mahendra Galani window's live ID mahendragal...@hotmail.com skype ID chintu3886 phone +4314943149 mobile +4369910366055, address Herbst strasse 101.16.1 Vienna Austria Europe
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Harish, I think the discussion has gone too long and please stop this. - Original Message - From: Vedprakash Sharma vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir I think academic discussion of anything or any topic for that matter is not wrong or sinful. however, on 'access India' we should stick to the issues which are permitted for discussion. on this list, if the moderator is not permitting the discussion on pornography, it does not mean, in any ways that the topic in itself is wrong or illegal. it is just that this list does not permit this topic to be discussed. therefore, the estemed members should take this in the right perspective and hence close the discussion. it is my opinion and thus not imposable upon anybody. - Original Message - From: Viraj vka...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Besides, let us also remember that pornography can well be a subject of academic pursuit. Noone will doubt the growing interest today in various forms of popular culture in literature as well as social sciences and pornography is by all means a form of popular culture. Even a cursory enquiry will lead us to various researches done or being done in the field of erotic and pornographic literature, for instance. Therefore, I don't see it anyway illegal or undesirable to discuss the accessibility of such materials for the visually challenged. Noone has talked about sharing such materials in this forum. But we can always share, whenever there is a query, links or websites where we can access such materials. - Original Message - From: Thahir P C pctha...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir dear shadab husain, please understand that values are relative and needs variegated. how can we expect to homogenize the needs of the people in a society where heterogeneity is an unmistakable reality? i, a simple man with humble doubts who many a time shudder at the complexity of the human condition fail to conceive the notions of absolute right and absolute wrong and valorizing one need over the other.one thing you should know, friend--there are at least a few unfortunate souls in this world who depend on pornographic material for their physical and psychological needs. - Original Message - From: Shadab Husain shadab...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Dear Sir, Thanks for this. I really cannot understand how pornography is our need! How is it related to social things etc.? I am unmarried and never had any affair. I have started to understand that a life partner is among one of the most fundamental needs of humans. But the one thing I am certain of is that pornography, from the standpoint of psychology, is wrong - not to talk about need. Haven't you studied it in your course? Blinds, like other human beings, need to be fit in all respects. Have you ever thought what this dirty world will make of them? There are many things on the internet which are all related to accessibility. Would it be appropriate to talk about them? I like the Indian culture very much. Although I don't claim that I am a true Indian. I hate the western culture. What they regard is freedom is actually absurd. I espouse frankness everywhere but it becomes dirty when it crosses the realm of decency. If you get time, please read my contributions to the press where I have talked about frankness and sex. The link of it is appended with my signature. I love this forum and all the members and wish to be a part of it. However, if I am too backward, the moderator can ban me; but I don't regret over anything I have said. Pornography is something I will condemn provided it is against the consensus. It was an extremely awful experience for me to write this email here because I heartily hate this topic. I might not reply to this thread. Misunderstanding that I have come under fire, some people are settling goals with me. I must clarify that I have the potential of responding with double force to anyone any time without caring a toss about who is who! Back to sir, I have a deep respect for you, but if your opinions are clashing with mine, I am sorry - as I won't be able to control myself from making them known to you. I remain Ever yours, Shadab Husain Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08
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I think, enough discussion has been done on this topic by this time and it is time to stop this nasty business. Renuka. - Original Message - From: Subramani L lsubram...@deccanherald.co.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir. Expressing one's view is certainly human, but we need to consider a few things before we do that. 1. the place: I feel this group has women members. Though we can't presume all of them will be against this sort of a discussion, I feel it flouts any kind of decency. 2. Context: this group is meant to discuss technology under certain permissible limits. As Harish has already mentioned there are places to discuss romance and that sort of things. 3. Precedence: if you wish to discuss pornography, someone else would like to discuss hacking or virtually anything that is generally regarded as unacceptable by a large majority of people. So, while we have no right telling someone what he or she must do, I feel on equal measure, everyone has to respect the forum in which we are discussing things. I don't want to sound like the moderator, but I feel certain things are commonsensical and we shouldn't wait until the moderator slams a mail to stop us. Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:43 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir. Hi sir, good morning! I presume that this email was intended for anyone else but by mistake it has been sent in reply to mine! You would have read my response to Mr Thahir where I tried furnishing some irrefutable points against pornography. For the Indian and western thing, please read the email I sent responding to Maheshji. I never said that more members are in favour or against it. But someone said, just because 1 particular member doesn't likes any subject, wouldn't it be wrong to ban it all together? Wasn't it necessary for me to tell the fact which is actually otherwise? Although I was astonished because the same person wrote, i'm really surprised to see why is every1 so shocked to see 1 normal, basic topic? Everyone and one particular person at the same time. Regards! Shadab Husain Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html #link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00% 3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: mahendra gal...@chello.at To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir. i am not sure, that people are not in favour of having this topic, let member speak for them selfs!. and please discuss topic, and not who is in favour and who is against this matter. i suppose, people think, because this topic is tabu in our sosiaty that most are against it. expressing the views is not western or Indian!!. its uman. At 06:21 PM 3/13/2009, you wrote: You leave everything on the moderator and then go on writing in favour of pornography. Your comparison of this topic to Hindi movies and youtube seems to be totally out of order. Majority of male members is against this topic. How can you say that only one person is against it? We haven't still heard from any of the female members, many of whom will be against it - though they might not say. Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.htm l#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00 %3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: ruchir falodiya ruchir.falod...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir. respected members, please leave the decision on the honorable moderator. as far as i can understand, accessindia is an open public forum and have its strength in unity despite its diversity. i'm really surprised to see why is every1 so shocked to see 1 normal, basic topic? we all live in a socialized culture in presence of movies, videos and internet have been an equal medium to share and learn from each other. weather the information seems good to you or not, it exists, and can not just be ban or completely removed according to once wish. a good example illustrating this point could be youtube. just because 1 particular member doesn't likes any subject, wouldn't it be wrong to ban it all together? if that would be the case, let us all start a protest against hindi cinema
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Dear Rajesh and others Do appreciate the points raised, However, let us have the group focused and on rails. Besides there are groups especially catering this requirement. So, let us not tred on their shoes. I am opening the thread for inputs from all quarters. Harish. Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:57:06 +0530 From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well, I think being a member of this group for so many years, I do have a certain right to say something on this matter, despite the closure of threat. I think the question does relate to accessibility and internet for visually impaired, and as such, may be legitimately construed to be within bounds of the group, but for the fact that pornography or any sexually colored material is illegal in India and so the group may not discuss anything illegal. However, please remember that law does change with mores of society and what is a taboo today is a common sense of tomorrow. Moreover, binding accessibility to legality is unfair, me thinks. Sight does not regard the bounds of legality or otherwise. Life with its joys and enchantments ought to be equally available to all, is the hallmark of accessibility. And Shadab, the ones whom you have, without any moderatorial jurisdiction, publicly termed raunchy, are the respected members of community, working and teaching in reputed institutions. A person does not become antisocial merely by recognizing inherent needs of all human kind. rather it is undu suppression and repression of the same which renders humans brute many a times. Only objection to the query in the message is manifest illegality of the pornography in India, but the effort about universality of accessibility is commendable. On this note, I would like to share that the movie Dev D is said to have bypassed censors by substituting sexually explicit scenes with dialogue which is less appealing to sight but more appealing I think to listeners like us. Maybe, the director, though not consciously thinking about accessibility, has achieved the aim partially at least. I intend to watch it shortly and call upon all the visually impaired to do so to get an experience. of the movie. Otherwise, so prudish are we the Indians, that even video described movies like Black, we shun to describe scenes involving expressions of love, kissing, for instance, even though such scenes form the essence of the movie and are inextricably linked to its theme. As a result, we the visually impaired, are far lagging behind in comprehending the social life about us. I do recall an instance where I myself, even though I was past the age of sweet twenty and two, instinctively rubbed my hands clean when kissed good night by an interested and interesting friend of mine some decade and a half ago. Let us cast away our artificial reserve and strive for accessibility in all fields. Life, by default is sharply constricted due to any disability, let us not constrict it further by man made objections. Yes, if the group is strictly confined by legality of the matters to be discussed or otherwise, then I think we must adhere by guidelines and discuss such vital issues in private or on other fora. Regards Rajesh Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Bank accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Dear Sir, Thanks for this. I really cannot understand how pornography is our need! How is it related to social things etc.? I am unmarried and never had any affair. I have started to understand that a life partner is among one of the most fundamental needs of humans. But the one thing I am certain of is that pornography, from the standpoint of psychology, is wrong - not to talk about need. Haven't you studied it in your course? Blinds, like other human beings, need to be fit in all respects. Have you ever thought what this dirty world will make of them? There are many things on the internet which are all related to accessibility. Would it be appropriate to talk about them? I like the Indian culture very much. Although I don't claim that I am a true Indian. I hate the western culture. What they regard is freedom is actually absurd. I espouse frankness everywhere but it becomes dirty when it crosses the realm of decency. If you get time, please read my contributions to the press where I have talked about frankness and sex. The link of it is appended with my signature. I love this forum and all the members and wish to be a part of it. However, if I am too backward, the moderator can ban me; but I don't regret over anything I have said. Pornography is something I will condemn provided it is against the consensus. It was an extremely awful experience for me to write this email here because I heartily hate this topic. I might not reply to this thread. Misunderstanding that I have come under fire, some people are settling goals with me. I must clarify that I have the potential of responding with double force to anyone any time without caring a toss about who is who! Back to sir, I have a deep respect for you, but if your opinions are clashing with mine, I am sorry - as I won't be able to control myself from making them known to you. I remain Ever yours, Shadab Husain Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well, I think being a member of this group for so many years, I do have a certain right to say something on this matter, despite the closure of threat. I think the question does relate to accessibility and internet for visually impaired, and as such, may be legitimately construed to be within bounds of the group, but for the fact that pornography or any sexually colored material is illegal in India and so the group may not discuss anything illegal. However, please remember that law does change with mores of society and what is a taboo today is a common sense of tomorrow. Moreover, binding accessibility to legality is unfair, me thinks. Sight does not regard the bounds of legality or otherwise. Life with its joys and enchantments ought to be equally available to all, is the hallmark of accessibility. And Shadab, the ones whom you have, without any moderatorial jurisdiction, publicly termed raunchy, are the respected members of community, working and teaching in reputed institutions. A person does not become antisocial merely by recognizing inherent needs of all human kind. rather it is undu suppression and repression of the same which renders humans brute many a times. Only objection to the query in the message is manifest illegality of the pornography in India, but the effort about universality of accessibility is commendable. On this note, I would like to share that the movie Dev D is said to have bypassed censors by substituting sexually explicit scenes with dialogue which is less appealing to sight but more appealing I think to listeners like us. Maybe, the director, though not consciously thinking about accessibility, has achieved the aim partially at least. I intend to watch it shortly and call upon all the visually impaired to do so to get an experience. of the movie. Otherwise, so prudish are we the Indians, that even video described movies like Black, we shun to describe scenes involving expressions of love, kissing, for instance, even though such scenes form the essence of the movie and are inextricably linked to its theme. As a result, we the visually impaired, are far lagging behind in comprehending the social life about us. I do recall an instance where I myself, even though I was past the age of sweet twenty and two, instinctively rubbed my hands clean when kissed good night by an interested and interesting friend of mine some decade and a half ago. Let us cast away our artificial reserve and strive
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Hello Shadab! I do second your opinions in this matter. there is no question of backwardness at all and you are free to make your thoughts known to all. it is rightly said that there are many things linked with internet which can be discussed with accessibility in mind. just avoid words like raunchy my friend. once again, your views are perfectly sophisticated and proudly Indian. never ever get burdened about what people say. All the best and regards. Sandesh G. Narayane 10 Harikrupa, Near Nasardi bridge, Pune road, Nashik 422011 Phone: 0253-2595155 Cell: 9270056753 MSN ID: sandeshnaray...@hotmail.com Yahoo ID: sandeshnarayane Skype: anjalisandesh - Original Message - From: Shadab Husain shadab...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Dear Sir, Thanks for this. I really cannot understand how pornography is our need! How is it related to social things etc.? I am unmarried and never had any affair. I have started to understand that a life partner is among one of the most fundamental needs of humans. But the one thing I am certain of is that pornography, from the standpoint of psychology, is wrong - not to talk about need. Haven't you studied it in your course? Blinds, like other human beings, need to be fit in all respects. Have you ever thought what this dirty world will make of them? There are many things on the internet which are all related to accessibility. Would it be appropriate to talk about them? I like the Indian culture very much. Although I don't claim that I am a true Indian. I hate the western culture. What they regard is freedom is actually absurd. I espouse frankness everywhere but it becomes dirty when it crosses the realm of decency. If you get time, please read my contributions to the press where I have talked about frankness and sex. The link of it is appended with my signature. I love this forum and all the members and wish to be a part of it. However, if I am too backward, the moderator can ban me; but I don't regret over anything I have said. Pornography is something I will condemn provided it is against the consensus. It was an extremely awful experience for me to write this email here because I heartily hate this topic. I might not reply to this thread. Misunderstanding that I have come under fire, some people are settling goals with me. I must clarify that I have the potential of responding with double force to anyone any time without caring a toss about who is who! Back to sir, I have a deep respect for you, but if your opinions are clashing with mine, I am sorry - as I won't be able to control myself from making them known to you. I remain Ever yours, Shadab Husain Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well, I think being a member of this group for so many years, I do have a certain right to say something on this matter, despite the closure of threat. I think the question does relate to accessibility and internet for visually impaired, and as such, may be legitimately construed to be within bounds of the group, but for the fact that pornography or any sexually colored material is illegal in India and so the group may not discuss anything illegal. However, please remember that law does change with mores of society and what is a taboo today is a common sense of tomorrow. Moreover, binding accessibility to legality is unfair, me thinks. Sight does not regard the bounds of legality or otherwise. Life with its joys and enchantments ought to be equally available to all, is the hallmark of accessibility. And Shadab, the ones whom you have, without any moderatorial jurisdiction, publicly termed raunchy, are the respected members of community, working and teaching in reputed institutions. A person does not become antisocial merely by recognizing inherent needs of all human kind. rather it is undu suppression and repression of the same which renders humans brute many a times. Only objection to the query in the message is manifest illegality of the pornography in India, but the effort about universality of accessibility is commendable. On this note, I would like to share that the movie Dev D is said to have bypassed censors by substituting sexually explicit scenes with dialogue which is less appealing to sight but more appealing I think to listeners like us. Maybe, the director, though not consciously thinking
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I have never said that a visually impaired person does not holds right of discussing about sexual materials, but it’s better to keep that aside from list like this. I agree, that like all the others, we too have the feelings that hoists on, but does it mean that we express them overtly? If I need to gulp Whisky, I’d go to bar rather then drinking in frunt of my father. Similarly, it’s better to talk about such things somewhere else precisely on a more appropriate place rather then fondling other’s emotions at this haunt. Those who wants to discuss can either join the lists specifically designed for this idea, or, if some of you is more perky then even you can start your own list as well. Ah, before someone gets purple, let me tell that this was merely a suggestion from my little bit of shrewdness, and I am not in any case pointing any particular person exclusively. Thanks. Regards, Prateek agarwal. Cell: 09928341197 Skype: Prateek_agarwal32 e-mail: prateekagarwa...@gmail.com website: http://www.prateekagarwal.webs.com - Original message -- From: Kotian, H P hpkot...@rbi.org.in To: 'ACCESSINDIA@ACCESSINDIA.ORG.IN' ACCESSINDIA@ACCESSINDIA.ORG.IN Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:24:14 +0530 Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Dear Rajesh and others Do appreciate the points raised, However, let us have the group focused and on rails. Besides there are groups especially catering this requirement. So, let us not tred on their shoes. I am opening the thread for inputs from all quarters. Harish. Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:57:06 +0530 From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well, I think being a member of this group for so many years, I do have a certain right to say something on this matter, despite the closure of threat. I think the question does relate to accessibility and internet for visually impaired, and as such, may be legitimately construed to be within bounds of the group, but for the fact that pornography or any sexually colored material is illegal in India and so the group may not discuss anything illegal. However, please remember that law does change with mores of society and what is a taboo today is a common sense of tomorrow. Moreover, binding accessibility to legality is unfair, me thinks. Sight does not regard the bounds of legality or otherwise. Life with its joys and enchantments ought to be equally available to all, is the hallmark of accessibility. And Shadab, the ones whom you have, without any moderatorial jurisdiction, publicly termed raunchy, are the respected members of community, working and teaching in reputed institutions. A person does not become antisocial merely by recognizing inherent needs of all human kind. rather it is undu suppression and repression of the same which renders humans brute many a times. Only objection to the query in the message is manifest illegality of the pornography in India, but the effort about universality of accessibility is commendable. On this note, I would like to share that the movie Dev D is said to have bypassed censors by substituting sexually explicit scenes with dialogue which is less appealing to sight but more appealing I think to listeners like us. Maybe, the director, though not consciously thinking about accessibility, has achieved the aim partially at least. I intend to watch it shortly and call upon all the visually impaired to do so to get an experience. of the movie. Otherwise, so prudish are we the Indians, that even video described movies like Black, we shun to describe scenes involving expressions of love, kissing, for instance, even though such scenes form the essence of the movie and are inextricably linked to its theme. As a result, we the visually impaired, are far lagging behind in comprehending the social life about us. I do recall an instance where I myself, even though I was past the age of sweet twenty and two, instinctively rubbed my hands clean when kissed good night by an interested and interesting friend of mine some decade and a half ago. Let us cast away our artificial reserve and strive for accessibility in all fields. Life, by default is sharply constricted due to any disability, let us not constrict it further by man made objections. Yes, if the group is strictly confined by legality of the matters to be discussed or otherwise, then I think we must adhere by guidelines and discuss such vital issues in private or on other fora. Regards Rajesh To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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respected members, please leave the decision on the honorable moderator. as far as i can understand, accessindia is an open public forum and have its strength in unity despite its diversity. i'm really surprised to see why is every1 so shocked to see 1 normal, basic topic? we all live in a socialized culture in presence of movies, videos and internet have been an equal medium to share and learn from each other. weather the information seems good to you or not, it exists, and can not just be ban or completely removed according to once wish. a good example illustrating this point could be youtube. just because 1 particular member doesn't likes any subject, wouldn't it be wrong to ban it all together? if that would be the case, let us all start a protest against hindi cinema, and against 90% of movies? well, honestly, this conversation can get ugly very quickly. i, once again agree that accessindia is not primarily forum for such topics, but banning a thread just on wish of few members and their thoughts, prospective and ideas wouldn't be right. regards, ruchir. -- As long as forever, I will stay by your side, I'll be your companion, Your friend and your guide!!! www.ruchir89.wordpress.com To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Hi all I too fully agree with Rajesh sir. I neither have the knowledge nor the language to take this issue from where Rajesh sir has left. Moreover, Thapar sir has not discussed anything openly on the list, but only enquired for sites or bloggs which contain such information. So, even if someone has replied to this on the list, it's up to the individual members to view such content or not, despite the fact that the list contains members from both the genders as I feel that the topic raised is equally essential for all. But my suggestion is that, as the person could have sensed the controversial nature of the issue, it would have been better if this issue has come to discussion through the moderator. But having said that, I welcome such days when an issue like this is not perceived controversial. Finally, I thank the moderator for allowing an open discussion on this. -- Vamshi. G Landline: 0877-2243861 Mobile: 09949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 On 3/13/09, Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in wrote: Well, I think being a member of this group for so many years, I do have a certain right to say something on this matter, despite the closure of threat. I think the question does relate to accessibility and internet for visually impaired, and as such, may be legitimately construed to be within bounds of the group, but for the fact that pornography or any sexually colored material is illegal in India and so the group may not discuss anything illegal. However, please remember that law does change with mores of society and what is a taboo today is a common sense of tomorrow. Moreover, binding accessibility to legality is unfair, me thinks. Sight does not regard the bounds of legality or otherwise. Life with its joys and enchantments ought to be equally available to all, is the hallmark of accessibility. And Shadab, the ones whom you have, without any moderatorial jurisdiction, publicly termed raunchy, are the respected members of community, working and teaching in reputed institutions. A person does not become antisocial merely by recognizing inherent needs of all human kind. rather it is undu suppression and repression of the same which renders humans brute many a times. Only objection to the query in the message is manifest illegality of the pornography in India, but the effort about universality of accessibility is commendable. On this note, I would like to share that the movie Dev D is said to have bypassed censors by substituting sexually explicit scenes with dialogue which is less appealing to sight but more appealing I think to listeners like us. Maybe, the director, though not consciously thinking about accessibility, has achieved the aim partially at least. I intend to watch it shortly and call upon all the visually impaired to do so to get an experience. of the movie. Otherwise, so prudish are we the Indians, that even video described movies like Black, we shun to describe scenes involving expressions of love, kissing, for instance, even though such scenes form the essence of the movie and are inextricably linked to its theme. As a result, we the visually impaired, are far lagging behind in comprehending the social life about us. I do recall an instance where I myself, even though I was past the age of sweet twenty and two, instinctively rubbed my hands clean when kissed good night by an interested and interesting friend of mine some decade and a half ago. Let us cast away our artificial reserve and strive for accessibility in all fields. Life, by default is sharply constricted due to any disability, let us not constrict it further by man made objections. Yes, if the group is strictly confined by legality of the matters to be discussed or otherwise, then I think we must adhere by guidelines and discuss such vital issues in private or on other fora. Regards Rajesh -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 7:18 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] querry from thahir This is open shamelessness! I will humbly urge the moderator to immediately blackball these two raunchy members from the list. Shadab Husain Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: Shyam M. Sayanekar sayane...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [AI] querry from thahir Dear Thahir, very good, you have voiced the issue dear to the hearts of many. Thanks a lot. - Original Message
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Hi Rajesh and all, While I agree with you that a mature and unbiased discussion of accessible pornographic material is well within the boundaries of this list, imagine the chaos the list would descend into if every other person began posting links to porn sites on this list under the guise of accessibility? Considering that this list is already devoted to a subject as vast as accessible information technology, let us confine ourselves to doing justice to this subject and not branch out into discussing accessible porn sites, accessible cookery sites, accessible knitting sites and so on. While all these subjects come under the pirview of accessibility, a single mailing list cannot do justice to every accessibility-related subject. In an age when creating a new mailing list takes no more than a couple of minutes, why choke an already congested list with more mail? Just my two cents... Geetha - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well, I think being a member of this group for so many years, I do have a certain right to say something on this matter, despite the closure of threat. I think the question does relate to accessibility and internet for visually impaired, and as such, may be legitimately construed to be within bounds of the group, but for the fact that pornography or any sexually colored material is illegal in India and so the group may not discuss anything illegal. However, please remember that law does change with mores of society and what is a taboo today is a common sense of tomorrow. Moreover, binding accessibility to legality is unfair, me thinks. Sight does not regard the bounds of legality or otherwise. Life with its joys and enchantments ought to be equally available to all, is the hallmark of accessibility. And Shadab, the ones whom you have, without any moderatorial jurisdiction, publicly termed raunchy, are the respected members of community, working and teaching in reputed institutions. A person does not become antisocial merely by recognizing inherent needs of all human kind. rather it is undu suppression and repression of the same which renders humans brute many a times. Only objection to the query in the message is manifest illegality of the pornography in India, but the effort about universality of accessibility is commendable. On this note, I would like to share that the movie Dev D is said to have bypassed censors by substituting sexually explicit scenes with dialogue which is less appealing to sight but more appealing I think to listeners like us. Maybe, the director, though not consciously thinking about accessibility, has achieved the aim partially at least. I intend to watch it shortly and call upon all the visually impaired to do so to get an experience. of the movie. Otherwise, so prudish are we the Indians, that even video described movies like Black, we shun to describe scenes involving expressions of love, kissing, for instance, even though such scenes form the essence of the movie and are inextricably linked to its theme. As a result, we the visually impaired, are far lagging behind in comprehending the social life about us. I do recall an instance where I myself, even though I was past the age of sweet twenty and two, instinctively rubbed my hands clean when kissed good night by an interested and interesting friend of mine some decade and a half ago. Let us cast away our artificial reserve and strive for accessibility in all fields. Life, by default is sharply constricted due to any disability, let us not constrict it further by man made objections. Yes, if the group is strictly confined by legality of the matters to be discussed or otherwise, then I think we must adhere by guidelines and discuss such vital issues in private or on other fora. Regards Rajesh -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 7:18 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] querry from thahir This is open shamelessness! I will humbly urge the moderator to immediately blackball these two raunchy members from the list. Shadab Husain Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: Shyam M. Sayanekar sayane...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [AI] querry from thahir Dear Thahir, very good, you have voiced the issue dear to the hearts of many. Thanks a lot
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Hello, Please feel comfortable and happy. We all undergo some complexes and make mistakes and I am an outstanding example of it. From the little I know, I can tell that it is always better to be patient rather than surrendering to anything which is actually bad. I am not referring to you, nor do I have the right to. One shouldn't resort to any ill, because I have read that instead of dousing the passions, it actually fans them and decreases the physical sensitivity. Is there anything one can do to distract himself? If there is any, one should go ahead. My sir, Mr Carlyle McFarland, told me that life at times turns negativity. We have to bombard ourselves with positive thoughts and rifle it back with double power. It requires a lot of effort to enjoy our relative independence. But it isn't impossible! Everyone has some limitations and everyone has been given equal. We must strike it out that some on this planet have got everything while some are deprived. It isn't correct at all! Happiness is closer to us than we think. A human is so much gifted and great that the lack of one of the 5 senses cannot affect or disable his capabilities and spirit! I would have been harsh to you, but please forgive. I never point out errors in anyone's English, but I was angry with you, so I unnecessarily sent out that email. It was correct. Please excuse me for that also. I really wish you well. May your life be lovelier. With fondest regards and best wishes, Shadab Husain Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: Thahir P C pctha...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir dear shadab husain, please understand that values are relative and needs variegated. how can we expect to homogenize the needs of the people in a society where heterogeneity is an unmistakable reality? i, a simple man with humble doubts who many a time shudder at the complexity of the human condition fail to conceive the notions of absolute right and absolute wrong and valorizing one need over the other.one thing you should know, friend--there are at least a few unfortunate souls in this world who depend on pornographic material for their physical and psychological needs. - Original Message - From: Shadab Husain shadab...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Dear Sir, Thanks for this. I really cannot understand how pornography is our need! How is it related to social things etc.? I am unmarried and never had any affair. I have started to understand that a life partner is among one of the most fundamental needs of humans. But the one thing I am certain of is that pornography, from the standpoint of psychology, is wrong - not to talk about need. Haven't you studied it in your course? Blinds, like other human beings, need to be fit in all respects. Have you ever thought what this dirty world will make of them? There are many things on the internet which are all related to accessibility. Would it be appropriate to talk about them? I like the Indian culture very much. Although I don't claim that I am a true Indian. I hate the western culture. What they regard is freedom is actually absurd. I espouse frankness everywhere but it becomes dirty when it crosses the realm of decency. If you get time, please read my contributions to the press where I have talked about frankness and sex. The link of it is appended with my signature. I love this forum and all the members and wish to be a part of it. However, if I am too backward, the moderator can ban me; but I don't regret over anything I have said. Pornography is something I will condemn provided it is against the consensus. It was an extremely awful experience for me to write this email here because I heartily hate this topic. I might not reply to this thread. Misunderstanding that I have come under fire, some people are settling goals with me. I must clarify that I have the potential of responding with double force to anyone any time without caring a toss about who is who! Back to sir, I have a deep respect for you, but if your opinions are clashing with mine, I am sorry - as I won't be able to control myself from making them known to you. I remain Ever yours, Shadab Husain Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html
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You leave everything on the moderator and then go on writing in favour of pornography. Your comparison of this topic to Hindi movies and youtube seems to be totally out of order. Majority of male members is against this topic. How can you say that only one person is against it? We haven't still heard from any of the female members, many of whom will be against it - though they might not say. Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: ruchir falodiya ruchir.falod...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir. respected members, please leave the decision on the honorable moderator. as far as i can understand, accessindia is an open public forum and have its strength in unity despite its diversity. i'm really surprised to see why is every1 so shocked to see 1 normal, basic topic? we all live in a socialized culture in presence of movies, videos and internet have been an equal medium to share and learn from each other. weather the information seems good to you or not, it exists, and can not just be ban or completely removed according to once wish. a good example illustrating this point could be youtube. just because 1 particular member doesn't likes any subject, wouldn't it be wrong to ban it all together? if that would be the case, let us all start a protest against hindi cinema, and against 90% of movies? well, honestly, this conversation can get ugly very quickly. i, once again agree that accessindia is not primarily forum for such topics, but banning a thread just on wish of few members and their thoughts, prospective and ideas wouldn't be right. regards, ruchir. -- As long as forever, I will stay by your side, I'll be your companion, Your friend and your guide!!! www.ruchir89.wordpress.com To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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a highly controversial question indeed. as expected there are people with different views on the matter. I believe the question as such does come broadly under issues of accessibility. I can understand the arguements against this on the basis of too much of things for the list to handil and therefor the possibility of losing focus. but culture, Indian culture, well that is all together a different issue. ones morality, values are all shaped in the context in which one is brought up. that is different for different people. but the moment one says that his or her values are higher than that of some one else, then that is big trouble. in fact, that is the language of fascism. I certainly don't think access India is the forum for moral policing by any means. anybody have the freedom to access or not access pornographic materials, but I believe any questions on the matter should not be restricted on the basis of a culture based arguement, as that might end up supporting those elemends in the society, who are against tolerence and inclusivity. olso one must remember in this context, 'Kamasutra' was not authered by an American or a Europian, but by Vatsyayana, the great Indian sage. so on the basis of focus OK, but please, not that cultural thing. On 3/13/09, harish har...@accessindia.org.in wrote: Hi all Yes, there are 2 groups on yahoogroups which may allow discussion of romance and sexuality. Regarding outright porn talk, you may have to seek clarification from the respective moderator. The 2 lists which I am refering are: 1 dreamromance 2 sayeverything There would be more lists internationally and one can make a search on Yahoogroups orat google. . I have followed the points from other members both for and against. However, I am not convinced why should AccessIndia take it up when there are other active groups catering to this requirement or so called need. Delibrate folks, rationally and don't get personal. I opened this thread for healthy discussion and not to settle scores. Harish - Original Message - From: mahendra gal...@chello.at To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir i am glad, we can talk on this matter, i fully support Rajesh's view. Harish are there such email groups? if yes, please Harish or members share them. At 07:54 AM 3/13/2009, you wrote: Dear Rajesh and others Do appreciate the points raised, However, let us have the group focused and on rails. Besides there are groups especially catering this requirement. So, let us not tred on their shoes. I am opening the thread for inputs from all quarters. Harish. Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:57:06 +0530 From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well, I think being a member of this group for so many years, I do have a certain right to say something on this matter, despite the closure of threat. I think the question does relate to accessibility and internet for visually impaired, and as such, may be legitimately construed to be within bounds of the group, but for the fact that pornography or any sexually colored material is illegal in India and so the group may not discuss anything illegal. However, please remember that law does change with mores of society and what is a taboo today is a common sense of tomorrow. Moreover, binding accessibility to legality is unfair, me thinks. Sight does not regard the bounds of legality or otherwise. Life with its joys and enchantments ought to be equally available to all, is the hallmark of accessibility. And Shadab, the ones whom you have, without any moderatorial jurisdiction, publicly termed raunchy, are the respected members of community, working and teaching in reputed institutions. A person does not become antisocial merely by recognizing inherent needs of all human kind. rather it is undu suppression and repression of the same which renders humans brute many a times. Only objection to the query in the message is manifest illegality of the pornography in India, but the effort about universality of accessibility is commendable. On this note, I would like to share that the movie Dev D is said to have bypassed censors by substituting sexually explicit scenes with dialogue which is less appealing to sight but more appealing I think to listeners like us. Maybe, the director, though not consciously thinking about accessibility, has achieved the aim partially at least. I intend to watch it shortly and call upon all the visually impaired to do so to get an experience. of the movie. Otherwise, so prudish are we the Indians, that even video described movies like Black, we shun to describe scenes involving expressions of love, kissing, for instance, even though such scenes form the essence of the movie and are inextricably linked to its theme. As a result, we the visually impaired, are far lagging behind
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i am not sure, that people are not in favour of having this topic, let member speak for them selfs!. and please discuss topic, and not who is in favour and who is against this matter. i suppose, people think, because this topic is tabu in our sosiaty that most are against it. expressing the views is not western or Indian!!. its uman. At 06:21 PM 3/13/2009, you wrote: You leave everything on the moderator and then go on writing in favour of pornography. Your comparison of this topic to Hindi movies and youtube seems to be totally out of order. Majority of male members is against this topic. How can you say that only one person is against it? We haven't still heard from any of the female members, many of whom will be against it - though they might not say. Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: ruchir falodiya ruchir.falod...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir. respected members, please leave the decision on the honorable moderator. as far as i can understand, accessindia is an open public forum and have its strength in unity despite its diversity. i'm really surprised to see why is every1 so shocked to see 1 normal, basic topic? we all live in a socialized culture in presence of movies, videos and internet have been an equal medium to share and learn from each other. weather the information seems good to you or not, it exists, and can not just be ban or completely removed according to once wish. a good example illustrating this point could be youtube. just because 1 particular member doesn't likes any subject, wouldn't it be wrong to ban it all together? if that would be the case, let us all start a protest against hindi cinema, and against 90% of movies? well, honestly, this conversation can get ugly very quickly. i, once again agree that accessindia is not primarily forum for such topics, but banning a thread just on wish of few members and their thoughts, prospective and ideas wouldn't be right. regards, ruchir. -- As long as forever, I will stay by your side, I'll be your companion, Your friend and your guide!!! www.ruchir89.wordpress.com To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in with warm regards Mahendra Galani window's live ID mahendragal...@hotmail.com skype ID chintu3886 phone +4314943149 mobile +4369910366055, address Herbst strasse 101.16.1 Vienna Austria Europe - To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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I would not like to jump in to this controversy. Just a clarification that you should differentiate between pornographic material and scientific treatise on sex and related issues, such as KamaSutra. The below mail seem to be doing what so many fascist powers are trying to do: linking these two to oppose sex education in schools. Pornography is more about like how X had sex with his daughter or his son or anybody and anything for that matter. The language used in porns is hardly used in schools and colleges. - Original Message - From: Mahesh Panicker maheshspanic...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir a highly controversial question indeed. as expected there are people with different views on the matter. I believe the question as such does come broadly under issues of accessibility. I can understand the arguements against this on the basis of too much of things for the list to handil and therefor the possibility of losing focus. but culture, Indian culture, well that is all together a different issue. ones morality, values are all shaped in the context in which one is brought up. that is different for different people. but the moment one says that his or her values are higher than that of some one else, then that is big trouble. in fact, that is the language of fascism. I certainly don't think access India is the forum for moral policing by any means. anybody have the freedom to access or not access pornographic materials, but I believe any questions on the matter should not be restricted on the basis of a culture based arguement, as that might end up supporting those elemends in the society, who are against tolerence and inclusivity. olso one must remember in this context, 'Kamasutra' was not authered by an American or a Europian, but by Vatsyayana, the great Indian sage. so on the basis of focus OK, but please, not that cultural thing. On 3/13/09, harish har...@accessindia.org.in wrote: Hi all Yes, there are 2 groups on yahoogroups which may allow discussion of romance and sexuality. Regarding outright porn talk, you may have to seek clarification from the respective moderator. The 2 lists which I am refering are: 1 dreamromance 2 sayeverything There would be more lists internationally and one can make a search on Yahoogroups orat google. . I have followed the points from other members both for and against. However, I am not convinced why should AccessIndia take it up when there are other active groups catering to this requirement or so called need. Delibrate folks, rationally and don't get personal. I opened this thread for healthy discussion and not to settle scores. Harish - Original Message - From: mahendra gal...@chello.at To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir i am glad, we can talk on this matter, i fully support Rajesh's view. Harish are there such email groups? if yes, please Harish or members share them. At 07:54 AM 3/13/2009, you wrote: Dear Rajesh and others Do appreciate the points raised, However, let us have the group focused and on rails. Besides there are groups especially catering this requirement. So, let us not tred on their shoes. I am opening the thread for inputs from all quarters. Harish. Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:57:06 +0530 From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well, I think being a member of this group for so many years, I do have a certain right to say something on this matter, despite the closure of threat. I think the question does relate to accessibility and internet for visually impaired, and as such, may be legitimately construed to be within bounds of the group, but for the fact that pornography or any sexually colored material is illegal in India and so the group may not discuss anything illegal. However, please remember that law does change with mores of society and what is a taboo today is a common sense of tomorrow. Moreover, binding accessibility to legality is unfair, me thinks. Sight does not regard the bounds of legality or otherwise. Life with its joys and enchantments ought to be equally available to all, is the hallmark of accessibility. And Shadab, the ones whom you have, without any moderatorial jurisdiction, publicly termed raunchy, are the respected members of community, working and teaching in reputed institutions. A person does not become antisocial merely by recognizing inherent needs of all human kind. rather it is undu suppression and repression of the same which renders humans brute many a times. Only objection to the query in the message is manifest illegality of the pornography in India, but the effort about universality of accessibility is commendable. On this note, I would like to share that the movie Dev D is said to have bypassed censors by substituting sexually explicit
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I think academic discussion of anything or any topic for that matter is not wrong or sinful. however, on 'access India' we should stick to the issues which are permitted for discussion. on this list, if the moderator is not permitting the discussion on pornography, it does not mean, in any ways that the topic in itself is wrong or illegal. it is just that this list does not permit this topic to be discussed. therefore, the estemed members should take this in the right perspective and hence close the discussion. it is my opinion and thus not imposable upon anybody. - Original Message - From: Viraj vka...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Besides, let us also remember that pornography can well be a subject of academic pursuit. Noone will doubt the growing interest today in various forms of popular culture in literature as well as social sciences and pornography is by all means a form of popular culture. Even a cursory enquiry will lead us to various researches done or being done in the field of erotic and pornographic literature, for instance. Therefore, I don't see it anyway illegal or undesirable to discuss the accessibility of such materials for the visually challenged. Noone has talked about sharing such materials in this forum. But we can always share, whenever there is a query, links or websites where we can access such materials. - Original Message - From: Thahir P C pctha...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir dear shadab husain, please understand that values are relative and needs variegated. how can we expect to homogenize the needs of the people in a society where heterogeneity is an unmistakable reality? i, a simple man with humble doubts who many a time shudder at the complexity of the human condition fail to conceive the notions of absolute right and absolute wrong and valorizing one need over the other.one thing you should know, friend--there are at least a few unfortunate souls in this world who depend on pornographic material for their physical and psychological needs. - Original Message - From: Shadab Husain shadab...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Dear Sir, Thanks for this. I really cannot understand how pornography is our need! How is it related to social things etc.? I am unmarried and never had any affair. I have started to understand that a life partner is among one of the most fundamental needs of humans. But the one thing I am certain of is that pornography, from the standpoint of psychology, is wrong - not to talk about need. Haven't you studied it in your course? Blinds, like other human beings, need to be fit in all respects. Have you ever thought what this dirty world will make of them? There are many things on the internet which are all related to accessibility. Would it be appropriate to talk about them? I like the Indian culture very much. Although I don't claim that I am a true Indian. I hate the western culture. What they regard is freedom is actually absurd. I espouse frankness everywhere but it becomes dirty when it crosses the realm of decency. If you get time, please read my contributions to the press where I have talked about frankness and sex. The link of it is appended with my signature. I love this forum and all the members and wish to be a part of it. However, if I am too backward, the moderator can ban me; but I don't regret over anything I have said. Pornography is something I will condemn provided it is against the consensus. It was an extremely awful experience for me to write this email here because I heartily hate this topic. I might not reply to this thread. Misunderstanding that I have come under fire, some people are settling goals with me. I must clarify that I have the potential of responding with double force to anyone any time without caring a toss about who is who! Back to sir, I have a deep respect for you, but if your opinions are clashing with mine, I am sorry - as I won't be able to control myself from making them known to you. I remain Ever yours, Shadab Husain Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well, I think being a member of this group for so many years
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Hi sir, good morning! I presume that this email was intended for anyone else but by mistake it has been sent in reply to mine! You would have read my response to Mr Thahir where I tried furnishing some irrefutable points against pornography. For the Indian and western thing, please read the email I sent responding to Maheshji. I never said that more members are in favour or against it. But someone said, just because 1 particular member doesn't likes any subject, wouldn't it be wrong to ban it all together? Wasn't it necessary for me to tell the fact which is actually otherwise? Although I was astonished because the same person wrote, i'm really surprised to see why is every1 so shocked to see 1 normal, basic topic? Everyone and one particular person at the same time. Regards! Shadab Husain Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: mahendra gal...@chello.at To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir. i am not sure, that people are not in favour of having this topic, let member speak for them selfs!. and please discuss topic, and not who is in favour and who is against this matter. i suppose, people think, because this topic is tabu in our sosiaty that most are against it. expressing the views is not western or Indian!!. its uman. At 06:21 PM 3/13/2009, you wrote: You leave everything on the moderator and then go on writing in favour of pornography. Your comparison of this topic to Hindi movies and youtube seems to be totally out of order. Majority of male members is against this topic. How can you say that only one person is against it? We haven't still heard from any of the female members, many of whom will be against it - though they might not say. Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: ruchir falodiya ruchir.falod...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir. respected members, please leave the decision on the honorable moderator. as far as i can understand, accessindia is an open public forum and have its strength in unity despite its diversity. i'm really surprised to see why is every1 so shocked to see 1 normal, basic topic? we all live in a socialized culture in presence of movies, videos and internet have been an equal medium to share and learn from each other. weather the information seems good to you or not, it exists, and can not just be ban or completely removed according to once wish. a good example illustrating this point could be youtube. just because 1 particular member doesn't likes any subject, wouldn't it be wrong to ban it all together? if that would be the case, let us all start a protest against hindi cinema, and against 90% of movies? well, honestly, this conversation can get ugly very quickly. i, once again agree that accessindia is not primarily forum for such topics, but banning a thread just on wish of few members and their thoughts, prospective and ideas wouldn't be right. regards, ruchir. -- As long as forever, I will stay by your side, I'll be your companion, Your friend and your guide!!! www.ruchir89.wordpress.com To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in with warm regards Mahendra Galani window's live ID mahendragal...@hotmail.com skype ID chintu3886 phone +4314943149 mobile +4369910366055, address Herbst strasse 101.16.1 Vienna Austria Europe - To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo
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Rajesh sir: Otherwise, so prudish are we the Indians, that even video described movies like Black, we shun to describe scenes involving expressions of love, kissing, for instance, even though such scenes form the essence of the movie and are inextricably linked to its theme. I never intended to indulge into discussion of cultural or moral values, but responding to this, I was bound to. Well, respecting the consensus and logic, I feel that now we must stop discussing this topic. Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: Mahesh Panicker maheshspanic...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir a highly controversial question indeed. as expected there are people with different views on the matter. I believe the question as such does come broadly under issues of accessibility. I can understand the arguements against this on the basis of too much of things for the list to handil and therefor the possibility of losing focus. but culture, Indian culture, well that is all together a different issue. ones morality, values are all shaped in the context in which one is brought up. that is different for different people. but the moment one says that his or her values are higher than that of some one else, then that is big trouble. in fact, that is the language of fascism. I certainly don't think access India is the forum for moral policing by any means. anybody have the freedom to access or not access pornographic materials, but I believe any questions on the matter should not be restricted on the basis of a culture based arguement, as that might end up supporting those elemends in the society, who are against tolerence and inclusivity. olso one must remember in this context, 'Kamasutra' was not authered by an American or a Europian, but by Vatsyayana, the great Indian sage. so on the basis of focus OK, but please, not that cultural thing. On 3/13/09, harish har...@accessindia.org.in wrote: Hi all Yes, there are 2 groups on yahoogroups which may allow discussion of romance and sexuality. Regarding outright porn talk, you may have to seek clarification from the respective moderator. The 2 lists which I am refering are: 1 dreamromance 2 sayeverything There would be more lists internationally and one can make a search on Yahoogroups orat google. . I have followed the points from other members both for and against. However, I am not convinced why should AccessIndia take it up when there are other active groups catering to this requirement or so called need. Delibrate folks, rationally and don't get personal. I opened this thread for healthy discussion and not to settle scores. Harish - Original Message - From: mahendra gal...@chello.at To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir i am glad, we can talk on this matter, i fully support Rajesh's view. Harish are there such email groups? if yes, please Harish or members share them. At 07:54 AM 3/13/2009, you wrote: Dear Rajesh and others Do appreciate the points raised, However, let us have the group focused and on rails. Besides there are groups especially catering this requirement. So, let us not tred on their shoes. I am opening the thread for inputs from all quarters. Harish. Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:57:06 +0530 From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well, I think being a member of this group for so many years, I do have a certain right to say something on this matter, despite the closure of threat. I think the question does relate to accessibility and internet for visually impaired, and as such, may be legitimately construed to be within bounds of the group, but for the fact that pornography or any sexually colored material is illegal in India and so the group may not discuss anything illegal. However, please remember that law does change with mores of society and what is a taboo today is a common sense of tomorrow. Moreover, binding accessibility to legality is unfair, me thinks. Sight does not regard the bounds of legality or otherwise. Life with its joys and enchantments ought to be equally available to all, is the hallmark of accessibility. And Shadab, the ones whom you have, without any moderatorial jurisdiction, publicly termed raunchy, are the respected members of community, working and teaching in reputed institutions. A person does not become antisocial merely by recognizing inherent needs of all human kind. rather it is undu suppression
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dear geetha shamanna, suppose i make a querry about sites or blogs where i will get information about accessible washing machine or microwave oven in access india, will you not answer that question ? wil it be considered an off-topic question? do you think simply answering that question will kick off an off-topic chaotic discussion on washing techniques, detergents, recipes and dieting? in case such a thing happens, there comes the relevance of the moderator. - Original Message - From: Geetha Shamanna gee...@millernorbert.de To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Hi Rajesh and all, While I agree with you that a mature and unbiased discussion of accessible pornographic material is well within the boundaries of this list, imagine the chaos the list would descend into if every other person began posting links to porn sites on this list under the guise of accessibility? Considering that this list is already devoted to a subject as vast as accessible information technology, let us confine ourselves to doing justice to this subject and not branch out into discussing accessible porn sites, accessible cookery sites, accessible knitting sites and so on. While all these subjects come under the pirview of accessibility, a single mailing list cannot do justice to every accessibility-related subject. In an age when creating a new mailing list takes no more than a couple of minutes, why choke an already congested list with more mail? Just my two cents... Geetha - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir Well, I think being a member of this group for so many years, I do have a certain right to say something on this matter, despite the closure of threat. I think the question does relate to accessibility and internet for visually impaired, and as such, may be legitimately construed to be within bounds of the group, but for the fact that pornography or any sexually colored material is illegal in India and so the group may not discuss anything illegal. However, please remember that law does change with mores of society and what is a taboo today is a common sense of tomorrow. Moreover, binding accessibility to legality is unfair, me thinks. Sight does not regard the bounds of legality or otherwise. Life with its joys and enchantments ought to be equally available to all, is the hallmark of accessibility. And Shadab, the ones whom you have, without any moderatorial jurisdiction, publicly termed raunchy, are the respected members of community, working and teaching in reputed institutions. A person does not become antisocial merely by recognizing inherent needs of all human kind. rather it is undu suppression and repression of the same which renders humans brute many a times. Only objection to the query in the message is manifest illegality of the pornography in India, but the effort about universality of accessibility is commendable. On this note, I would like to share that the movie Dev D is said to have bypassed censors by substituting sexually explicit scenes with dialogue which is less appealing to sight but more appealing I think to listeners like us. Maybe, the director, though not consciously thinking about accessibility, has achieved the aim partially at least. I intend to watch it shortly and call upon all the visually impaired to do so to get an experience. of the movie. Otherwise, so prudish are we the Indians, that even video described movies like Black, we shun to describe scenes involving expressions of love, kissing, for instance, even though such scenes form the essence of the movie and are inextricably linked to its theme. As a result, we the visually impaired, are far lagging behind in comprehending the social life about us. I do recall an instance where I myself, even though I was past the age of sweet twenty and two, instinctively rubbed my hands clean when kissed good night by an interested and interesting friend of mine some decade and a half ago. Let us cast away our artificial reserve and strive for accessibility in all fields. Life, by default is sharply constricted due to any disability, let us not constrict it further by man made objections. Yes, if the group is strictly confined by legality of the matters to be discussed or otherwise, then I think we must adhere by guidelines and discuss such vital issues in private or on other fora. Regards Rajesh -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 7:18 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] querry from thahir This is open shamelessness! I will humbly urge the moderator to immediately blackball these two raunchy members
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Well, I think being a member of this group for so many years, I do have a certain right to say something on this matter, despite the closure of threat. I think the question does relate to accessibility and internet for visually impaired, and as such, may be legitimately construed to be within bounds of the group, but for the fact that pornography or any sexually colored material is illegal in India and so the group may not discuss anything illegal. However, please remember that law does change with mores of society and what is a taboo today is a common sense of tomorrow. Moreover, binding accessibility to legality is unfair, me thinks. Sight does not regard the bounds of legality or otherwise. Life with its joys and enchantments ought to be equally available to all, is the hallmark of accessibility. And Shadab, the ones whom you have, without any moderatorial jurisdiction, publicly termed raunchy, are the respected members of community, working and teaching in reputed institutions. A person does not become antisocial merely by recognizing inherent needs of all human kind. rather it is undu suppression and repression of the same which renders humans brute many a times. Only objection to the query in the message is manifest illegality of the pornography in India, but the effort about universality of accessibility is commendable. On this note, I would like to share that the movie Dev D is said to have bypassed censors by substituting sexually explicit scenes with dialogue which is less appealing to sight but more appealing I think to listeners like us. Maybe, the director, though not consciously thinking about accessibility, has achieved the aim partially at least. I intend to watch it shortly and call upon all the visually impaired to do so to get an experience. of the movie. Otherwise, so prudish are we the Indians, that even video described movies like Black, we shun to describe scenes involving expressions of love, kissing, for instance, even though such scenes form the essence of the movie and are inextricably linked to its theme. As a result, we the visually impaired, are far lagging behind in comprehending the social life about us. I do recall an instance where I myself, even though I was past the age of sweet twenty and two, instinctively rubbed my hands clean when kissed good night by an interested and interesting friend of mine some decade and a half ago. Let us cast away our artificial reserve and strive for accessibility in all fields. Life, by default is sharply constricted due to any disability, let us not constrict it further by man made objections. Yes, if the group is strictly confined by legality of the matters to be discussed or otherwise, then I think we must adhere by guidelines and discuss such vital issues in private or on other fora. Regards Rajesh -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 7:18 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] querry from thahir This is open shamelessness! I will humbly urge the moderator to immediately blackball these two raunchy members from the list. Shadab Husain Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: Shyam M. Sayanekar sayane...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [AI] querry from thahir Dear Thahir, very good, you have voiced the issue dear to the hearts of many. Thanks a lot. - Original Message - From: Thahir P C pctha...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:26 PM Subject: [AI] querry from thahir friends, are there sites or blogs on the internet which provide pornographic material specially meant for visually impaired? Regards, Thahir. E mail: pctha...@gmail.com skype: pcthahir phone: 0496 2522242 mobile: 9495743001 To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your
