Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless rollout | FierceWireless

[Mathew Howard]

I don't think that you're normally allowed to provide commercial service
with an experimental license, but I've heard you can get a waiver to do it.

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Tim Hardy  wrote:

> Their current business model is based on experimental licenses since the
> spectrum they’ve been using is subject to several NPRMs at the FCC.  They
> have been using 38200 - 38600 MHz since Feb 2016 and renewed this license
> twice since then.  The most recent renewal extended the band to 37000 -
> 38600 MHz.  They also recently filed an experimental application for a 3550
> - 3700 MHz Bai Cells system in Boston.  I’m not sure of the legality of
> using an experimental license to provide a commercial service?
>
> A search of ECFS shows that most of their money has been spent lobbying
> the FCC.  They have filed 39 separate pleadings along with several
> in-person ex-parte meetings since May of 2016.  Not hard to imagine where
> the money went.  It’s interesting that their most recent application lists
> Ira Keltz, Principal Engineer at DLA Law Firm as the technical contact.
> Until about 1/2 year ago, Ira was Deputy Chief of the FCC’s OET Bureau.
> Not making any judgements - just all public information from the FCC’s web
> site.
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2018, at 1:26 PM,   wrote:
>
> I just find it crazy that these VC houses don’t have a single cynical RF
> engineer on tap to advise them on deals like this.
> I used to do that job for a smaller VC banker in a previous life.
>
> I shot down every single presentation I remember except one:
> A company wanted to buy the rights to an abandoned pipeline (water, sewer
> something, cannot remember)  between Philadelphia and Manhattan (as I
> recall) a company wanted to blow a fiber down it.
>
> This was about 1998.
> I told them to go full steam ahead on that project.
>
> The banker rejected it.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 7, 2018 11:09 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed
> wireless rollout | FierceWireless
>
> Anyone remember MetroFi? I do. We got a couple of nice Dragonwaves when
> they went bankrupt.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 7/7/2018 8:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> A C series of financing... that means they have already blown all the seed
> round, series A and series B money.
>
> And they are just re-packaging the same tired old idea.  Google Fiber
> morphed into one of these... did it ever amount to anything?
>
> I am totally cynical.  I don’t believe in these mm bands for PMP.
> Range and weather are always going to be a problem.
>
> Use the $100M to build fiber instead.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 07, 2018 9:16 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless
> rollout | FierceWireless
>
> https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/starry-raises-100m-
> for-802-11-based-fixed-wireless-rollout
> Jaime Solorza
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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for Contract Help, Know anybody?

[Mathew Howard]

He said he wanted experience... I see nothing about being competent...

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 10:11 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Do we have to be competent?
>
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018, 2:36 PM Steve  wrote:
>
>> Good help is hard to find these days especially when people in the area
>> are making a ton more money in the oil business. Maybe one of you can help
>> us find someone you know?
>>
>> Our company is looking to hire an experienced wireless manager for a 3
>> month+ contract to lead the installation of a few small towers and access
>> point upgrades in our Seminole Texas area.
>>
>> Moving expenses will be provided within reason as well as a housing
>> credit. We will supply all necessary tools and equipment. Wage will be
>> negotiated upon interview. This is for a lead position and assistance will
>> be provided so only apply if you have several years experience Cambium
>> products, climbing, and some networking skills will be helpful.
>>
>> If you know someone please hit me off list at st...@wavedirect.org !
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Re: [AFMUG] Apex9 cable on POPs

[Ryan Ray]

​

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:11 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> These  boxes it comes in suck
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 9:54 AM Jerry Head  wrote:
>
>> Yep.
>>
>> On 7/2/2018 1:50 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> we had two kinds of apex9, the first was utter garbage, stiff, plastic
>> like nonsense, but the stuff now has that cloth, seems better quality. Is
>> that the shireen stuff?
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 12:51 PM Jerry Head 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The new APEX9 is re-branded Shireen.
>>>
>>> On 6/25/2018 1:08 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>>
>>> We used  that stuff for everything for awhile... as far as I can
>>> remember, we never had any problems with it to speak of.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:53 PM, Steve Jones >> > wrote:
>>>
 Is this stuff pretty reliable?
 We normally use BBDGE but had to run some EPMP APs in an emergency site
 conversion on the apex9. Im just wondering if its cool to leave it or if I
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Re: [AFMUG] Another one bites the dust

[Steve Jones]

If you don't install the surge suppressor, it can't blow up

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018, 7:00 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> I need some of that stuff!!!
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 7/6/2018 3:25 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Well as an alternative, if you send me a love offering I will send you,
> totally free of charge, a bottle of specially blessed elixir that wards off
> lightning strikes.  Just rub it over the equipment you want protected and
> it will direct all lightning strikes to the towers of your competitors.
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Re: [AFMUG] Apex9 cable on POPs

[Steve Jones]

These  boxes it comes in suck

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 9:54 AM Jerry Head  wrote:

> Yep.
>
> On 7/2/2018 1:50 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> we had two kinds of apex9, the first was utter garbage, stiff, plastic
> like nonsense, but the stuff now has that cloth, seems better quality. Is
> that the shireen stuff?
>
> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 12:51 PM Jerry Head 
> wrote:
>
>> The new APEX9 is re-branded Shireen.
>>
>> On 6/25/2018 1:08 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>
>> We used  that stuff for everything for awhile... as far as I can
>> remember, we never had any problems with it to speak of.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:53 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is this stuff pretty reliable?
>>> We normally use BBDGE but had to run some EPMP APs in an emergency site
>>> conversion on the apex9. Im just wondering if its cool to leave it or if I
>>> should convert
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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for Contract Help, Know anybody?

[Steve Jones]

Do we have to be competent?

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018, 2:36 PM Steve  wrote:

> Good help is hard to find these days especially when people in the area
> are making a ton more money in the oil business. Maybe one of you can help
> us find someone you know?
>
> Our company is looking to hire an experienced wireless manager for a 3
> month+ contract to lead the installation of a few small towers and access
> point upgrades in our Seminole Texas area.
>
> Moving expenses will be provided within reason as well as a housing
> credit. We will supply all necessary tools and equipment. Wage will be
> negotiated upon interview. This is for a lead position and assistance will
> be provided so only apply if you have several years experience Cambium
> products, climbing, and some networking skills will be helpful.
>
> If you know someone please hit me off list at st...@wavedirect.org !
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Re: [AFMUG] LTE Modems

[Lewis Bergman]

They are a global aggregation service that is designed for iot apps. My
plans are all 40 cents per month plus a per MB price. I got billed $3 one
month and they ended up refunding half of it. They have a bunch of built in
tools designed to help with the whole NAT tunnel issue.

If you just need occasional or out of band access I have found none better.
You can use their dashboard to turn sims on or off as often as you like
which stops the monthly. You pay $5 for each sim up front and use whatever
modem you like.

If your modem supports it, it will connect to almost any carrier in the
world.

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 21:02 Jon Langeler  wrote:

> So what exactly does that service do?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2018, at 4:37 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
>
> They are both really cheap and really good. I have been using it for
> months. I think my highest bill has been three dollars. I use it
> intermittently.
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 11:20 TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> I have the 1120 connected to all of our CCR's using hologram.io service
>> because they include a VPN to get inbound access, they were the only guys I
>> could find that would provide a non nat connection or at-least a way to get
>> through the cellular network NAT without paying the crazy monthly price and
>> setup fee for att or verizon and a static ip
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 1:54 PM, Josh Heide  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Has anyone used netgear LB1120 for mikrotik out of band access? IF not
>>> any suggestions on what lte modem or setup works best for remote access?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Josh Heide
>>>
>>> *Wireless Network Manager*
>>>
>>> *Velociter Wireless, Inc.*
>>>
>>> 209-838-1221 x108
>>>
>>> 1525 2nd st, Escalon Ca 95320
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless rollout | FierceWireless

[Chuck McCown]

Aereo got screwed imho.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 7, 2018, at 5:34 PM, Tim Hardy  wrote:
> 
> Who said anything “failed” yet?  This is extremely common in these kinds of 
> startups that will go through several rounds of financing.  I’ve been through 
> the VC process and undoubtedly the risk is spread among several firms.  They 
> must be drinking the kool-aide and feel they have a good shot at convincing 
> the FCC to allow their concept in 38 or 3.5 GHz.  Worth the risk if you 
> consider the return as Google or some other well healed venture will buy it 
> out (if it actually works!) - at least thats what they’re hoping.  Either way 
> the principals of the company are set and stand to make a lot more if it 
> proves in.  VC is a gambler’s paradise but all it takes is one big hit to 
> make it worthwhile.  The guy behind this was CEO of Aereo and look how that 
> panned out.
> 
> It’ll be interesting to see how this shakes out..
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2018, at 6:09 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>> 
>> This is insane.  I can’t believe any investment group followed up and gave 
>> them more money after the first two rounds were a failure.
>>  
>> Rory
>>  
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Hardy
>> Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 1:23 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless 
>> rollout | FierceWireless
>>  
>> Their current business model is based on experimental licenses since the 
>> spectrum they’ve been using is subject to several NPRMs at the FCC.  They 
>> have been using 38200 - 38600 MHz since Feb 2016 and renewed this license 
>> twice since then.  The most recent renewal extended the band to 37000 - 
>> 38600 MHz.  They also recently filed an experimental application for a 3550 
>> - 3700 MHz Bai Cells system in Boston.  I’m not sure of the legality of 
>> using an experimental license to provide a commercial service?
>>  
>> A search of ECFS shows that most of their money has been spent lobbying the 
>> FCC.  They have filed 39 separate pleadings along with several in-person 
>> ex-parte meetings since May of 2016.  Not hard to imagine where the money 
>> went.  It’s interesting that their most recent application lists Ira Keltz, 
>> Principal Engineer at DLA Law Firm as the technical contact.  Until about 
>> 1/2 year ago, Ira was Deputy Chief of the FCC’s OET Bureau.  Not making any 
>> judgements - just all public information from the FCC’s web site.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 7, 2018, at 1:26 PM,   wrote:
>>  
>> I just find it crazy that these VC houses don’t have a single cynical RF 
>> engineer on tap to advise them on deals like this.
>> I used to do that job for a smaller VC banker in a previous life. 
>>  
>> I shot down every single presentation I remember except one:
>> A company wanted to buy the rights to an abandoned pipeline (water, sewer 
>> something, cannot remember)  between Philadelphia and Manhattan (as I 
>> recall) a company wanted to blow a fiber down it.  
>>  
>> This was about 1998. 
>> I told them to go full steam ahead on that project. 
>>  
>> The banker rejected it. 
>>  
>> From: Bill Prince
>> Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 11:09 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless 
>> rollout | FierceWireless
>>  
>> Anyone remember MetroFi? I do. We got a couple of nice Dragonwaves when they 
>> went bankrupt.
>>  
>> bp
>> 
>>  
>> On 7/7/2018 8:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> A C series of financing... that means they have already blown all the seed 
>> round, series A and series B money. 
>>  
>> And they are just re-packaging the same tired old idea.  Google Fiber 
>> morphed into one of these... did it ever amount to anything?
>>  
>> I am totally cynical.  I don’t believe in these mm bands for PMP. 
>> Range and weather are always going to be a problem. 
>>  
>> Use the $100M to build fiber instead. 
>>  
>> From: Jaime Solorza
>> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 9:16 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless rollout 
>> | FierceWireless
>>  
>> https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/starry-raises-100m-for-802-11-based-fixed-wireless-rollout
>> Jaime Solorza
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Re: [AFMUG] LTE Modems

[Jon Langeler]

So what exactly does that service do?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jul 7, 2018, at 4:37 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> 
> They are both really cheap and really good. I have been using it for months. 
> I think my highest bill has been three dollars. I use it intermittently. 
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 11:20 TJ Trout  wrote:
>> I have the 1120 connected to all of our CCR's using hologram.io service 
>> because they include a VPN to get inbound access, they were the only guys I 
>> could find that would provide a non nat connection or at-least a way to get 
>> through the cellular network NAT without paying the crazy monthly price and 
>> setup fee for att or verizon and a static ip
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 1:54 PM, Josh Heide  wrote:
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Has anyone used netgear LB1120 for mikrotik out of band access? IF not any 
>>> suggestions on what lte modem or setup works best for remote access?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance!!
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Josh Heide
>>> 
>>> Wireless Network Manager
>>> 
>>> Velociter Wireless, Inc.
>>> 
>>> 209-838-1221 x108
>>> 
>>> 1525 2nd st, Escalon Ca 95320
>>> 
>>> Velociter.net |  j...@velociter.net
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless rollout | FierceWireless

[Tim Hardy]

Agree 100% Hey if you’re afraid of failing, you’ll never succeed..

> On Jul 7, 2018, at 7:50 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> +1. Just because a venture goes through multiple rounds does not mean it's a 
> failure. The mere fact that it got a second or third round could imply that 
> something good is going to happen. OTOH, something like 8 or 9 ventures in 10 
> will be failures. You can't   win them all.
> 
> Google, Facebook, and Paypal (to name just a few) went through multiple 
> rounds (at least 4) before going public.
> bp
> 
> 
> On 7/7/2018 4:34 PM, Tim Hardy wrote:
>> Who said anything “failed” yet?  This is extremely common in these kinds of 
>> startups that will go through several rounds of financing.  I’ve been 
>> through the VC process and undoubtedly the risk is spread among several 
>> firms.  They must be drinking the kool-aide and feel they have a good shot 
>> at convincing the FCC to allow their concept in 38 or 3.5 GHz.  Worth the 
>> risk if you consider the return as Google or some other well healed venture 
>> will buy it out (if it actually works!) - at least thats what they’re 
>> hoping.  Either way the principals of the company are set and stand to make 
>> a lot more if it proves in.  VC is a gambler’s paradise but all it takes is 
>> one big hit to make it worthwhile.  The guy behind this was CEO of Aereo and 
>> look how that panned out.
>> 
>> It’ll be interesting to see how this shakes out..
>> 
>>> On Jul 7, 2018, at 6:09 PM, Rory Conaway >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is insane.  I can’t believe any investment group followed up and gave 
>>> them more money after the first two rounds were a failure.
>>>  
>>> Rory
>>>  
>>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] 
>>> On Behalf Of Tim Hardy
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 1:23 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless 
>>> rollout | FierceWireless
>>>  
>>> Their current business model is based on experimental licenses since the 
>>> spectrum they’ve been using is subject to several NPRMs at the FCC.  They 
>>> have been using 38200 - 38600 MHz since Feb 2016 and renewed this license 
>>> twice since then.  The most recent renewal extended the band to 37000 - 
>>> 38600 MHz.  They also recently filed an experimental application for a 3550 
>>> - 3700 MHz Bai Cells system in Boston.  I’m not sure of the legality of 
>>> using an experimental license to provide a commercial service?
>>>  
>>> A search of ECFS shows that most of their money has been spent lobbying the 
>>> FCC.  They have filed 39 separate pleadings along with several in-person 
>>> ex-parte meetings since May of 2016.  Not hard to imagine where the money 
>>> went.  It’s interesting that their most recent application lists Ira Keltz, 
>>> Principal Engineer at DLA Law Firm as the technical contact.  Until about 
>>> 1/2 year ago, Ira was Deputy Chief of the FCC’s OET Bureau.  Not making any 
>>> judgements - just all public information from the FCC’s web site.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 7, 2018, at 1:26 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
>>> mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> I just find it crazy that these VC houses don’t have a single cynical RF 
>>> engineer on tap to advise them on deals like this.
>>> I used to do that job for a smaller VC banker in a previous life. 
>>>  
>>> I shot down every single presentation I remember except one:
>>> A company wanted to buy the rights to an abandoned pipeline (water, sewer 
>>> something, cannot remember)  between Philadelphia and Manhattan (as I 
>>> recall) a company wanted to blow a fiber down it.  
>>>  
>>> This was about 1998. 
>>> I told them to go full steam ahead on that project. 
>>>  
>>> The banker rejected it. 
>>>  
>>> From: Bill Prince
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 11:09 AM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless 
>>> rollout | FierceWireless
>>>  
>>> Anyone remember MetroFi? I do. We got a couple of nice Dragonwaves when 
>>> they went bankrupt.
>>>  
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On 7/7/2018 8:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> A C series of financing... that means they have already blown all the seed 
>>> round, series A and series B money. 
>>>  
>>> And they are just re-packaging the same tired old idea.  Google Fiber 
>>> morphed into one of these... did it ever amount to anything?
>>>  
>>> I am totally cynical.  I don’t believe in these mm bands for PMP. 
>>> Range and weather are always going to be a problem. 
>>>  
>>> Use the $100M to build fiber instead. 
>>>  
>>> From: Jaime Solorza
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 9:16 AM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless 
>>> rollout | FierceWireless
>>>  
>>> https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/starry-raises-100m-for-802-11-based-fixed-wireless-rollout

Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless rollout | FierceWireless

[Bill Prince]

  
  
+1. Just because a venture goes through multiple rounds does not
  mean it's a failure. The mere fact that it got a second or third
  round could imply that something good is going to happen. OTOH,
  something like 8 or 9 ventures in 10 will be failures. You can't
  win them all.
Google, Facebook, and Paypal (to name just a few) went through
  multiple rounds (at least 4) before going public.

bp



On 7/7/2018 4:34 PM, Tim Hardy wrote:


  
  Who said anything “failed” yet?  This is extremely common in these
  kinds of startups that will go through several rounds of
  financing.  I’ve been through the VC process and undoubtedly the
  risk is spread among several firms.  They must be drinking the
  kool-aide and feel they have a good shot at convincing the FCC to
  allow their concept in 38 or 3.5 GHz.  Worth the risk if you
  consider the return as Google or some other well healed venture
  will buy it out (if it actually works!) - at least thats what
  they’re hoping.  Either way the principals of the company are set
  and stand to make a lot more if it proves in.  VC is a gambler’s
  paradise but all it takes is one big hit to make it worthwhile.
   The guy behind this was CEO of Aereo and look how that panned
  out.
  
  
  It’ll be interesting to see how this shakes out..

  
On Jul 7, 2018, at 6:09 PM, Rory Conaway 
  wrote:


  
This is insane.  I can’t believe any
investment group followed up and gave them more
money after the first two rounds were a failure.
 
Rory
 

  
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Hardy
Sent: Saturday,
July 7, 2018 1:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re:
[AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based
fixed wireless rollout | FierceWireless
  

 
Their current business model is based on
  experimental licenses since the spectrum they’ve been
  using is subject to several NPRMs at the FCC.  They
  have been using 38200 - 38600 MHz since Feb 2016 and
  renewed this license twice since then.  The most
  recent renewal extended the band to 37000 - 38600 MHz.
   They also recently filed an experimental application
  for a 3550 - 3700 MHz Bai Cells system in Boston.  I’m
  not sure of the legality of using an experimental
  license to provide a commercial service?

   


  A search of ECFS shows that most of their
money has been spent lobbying the FCC.  They have
filed 39 separate pleadings along with several
in-person ex-parte meetings since May of 2016.  Not
hard to imagine where the money went.  It’s
interesting that their most recent application lists
Ira Keltz, Principal Engineer at DLA Law Firm as the
technical contact.  Until about 1/2 year ago, Ira
was Deputy Chief of the FCC’s OET Bureau.  Not
making any judgements - just all public information
from the FCC’s web site.
  

  
  

  On Jul 7, 2018, at 1:26 PM,


wrote:

 

  

  

  I just
  find it crazy that these VC houses
  don’t have a single cynical RF
  engineer on tap to advise them on
  deals like this.


  I used
  to do that job for a smaller VC banker
  in a previous life. 


   


  I shot

Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless rollout | FierceWireless

[Tim Hardy]

Who said anything “failed” yet?  This is extremely common in these kinds of 
startups that will go through several rounds of financing.  I’ve been through 
the VC process and undoubtedly the risk is spread among several firms.  They 
must be drinking the kool-aide and feel they have a good shot at convincing the 
FCC to allow their concept in 38 or 3.5 GHz.  Worth the risk if you consider 
the return as Google or some other well healed venture will buy it out (if it 
actually works!) - at least thats what they’re hoping.  Either way the 
principals of the company are set and stand to make a lot more if it proves in. 
 VC is a gambler’s paradise but all it takes is one big hit to make it 
worthwhile.  The guy behind this was CEO of Aereo and look how that panned out.

It’ll be interesting to see how this shakes out..

> On Jul 7, 2018, at 6:09 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> 
> This is insane.  I can’t believe any investment group followed up and gave 
> them more money after the first two rounds were a failure.
>  
> Rory
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Hardy
> Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 1:23 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless 
> rollout | FierceWireless
>  
> Their current business model is based on experimental licenses since the 
> spectrum they’ve been using is subject to several NPRMs at the FCC.  They 
> have been using 38200 - 38600 MHz since Feb 2016 and renewed this license 
> twice since then.  The most recent renewal extended the band to 37000 - 38600 
> MHz.  They also recently filed an experimental application for a 3550 - 3700 
> MHz Bai Cells system in Boston.  I’m not sure of the legality of using an 
> experimental license to provide a commercial service?
>  
> A search of ECFS shows that most of their money has been spent lobbying the 
> FCC.  They have filed 39 separate pleadings along with several in-person 
> ex-parte meetings since May of 2016.  Not hard to imagine where the money 
> went.  It’s interesting that their most recent application lists Ira Keltz, 
> Principal Engineer at DLA Law Firm as the technical contact.  Until about 1/2 
> year ago, Ira was Deputy Chief of the FCC’s OET Bureau.  Not making any 
> judgements - just all public information from the FCC’s web site.
> 
> 
> On Jul 7, 2018, at 1:26 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
> mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>  
> I just find it crazy that these VC houses don’t have a single cynical RF 
> engineer on tap to advise them on deals like this.
> I used to do that job for a smaller VC banker in a previous life. 
>  
> I shot down every single presentation I remember except one:
> A company wanted to buy the rights to an abandoned pipeline (water, sewer 
> something, cannot remember)  between Philadelphia and Manhattan (as I recall) 
> a company wanted to blow a fiber down it.  
>  
> This was about 1998. 
> I told them to go full steam ahead on that project. 
>  
> The banker rejected it. 
>  
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 11:09 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless 
> rollout | FierceWireless
>  
> Anyone remember MetroFi? I do. We got a couple of nice Dragonwaves when they 
> went bankrupt.
>  
> bp
> 
>  
> On 7/7/2018 8:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> A C series of financing... that means they have already blown all the seed 
> round, series A and series B money. 
>  
> And they are just re-packaging the same tired old idea.  Google Fiber morphed 
> into one of these... did it ever amount to anything?
>  
> I am totally cynical.  I don’t believe in these mm bands for PMP. 
> Range and weather are always going to be a problem. 
>  
> Use the $100M to build fiber instead. 
>  
> From: Jaime Solorza
> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 9:16 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless rollout 
> | FierceWireless
>  
> https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/starry-raises-100m-for-802-11-based-fixed-wireless-rollout
>  
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Hughes 9202 BGAN Terminal for remote VPN access.

[Rory Conaway]

I would see if Viasats new satellite covers that area.  It’s a lot faster.

Rory

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Yuchasz
Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 1:33 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hughes 9202 BGAN Terminal for remote VPN access.

We are going to be in the most SE portion of Alaska. Should be able to use it 
there according the sat company.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 3:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hughes 9202 BGAN Terminal for remote VPN access.

I can't testify to reliability but I assume you have checked your future 
lat/long and know that sat is good up there. Many sats cut off south of most of 
Alaska. At least that is what I remember.
On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 14:30 Brandon Yuchasz 
mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net>> wrote:
Borg,
We discussed this a while back but I didn’t have specifics back then so I am 
bringing it back to the list for another round.
In august I am taking a backpack, self-guided, alpine Sitka blacktail deer 
hunting trip in SE Alaska with my son and good friend.
The basics are we are dropped off an sea level on a float plane and we are 
hiking up to the alpine around 300 feet ( so low for alpine). Completely on our 
own for 8 days.
Everything we have will be on our back. So weight is a large concern.
I am the geek at the company. They can handle basic help desk, and fixing and 
installing customers without me. But if an AP dies or a backhaul drops things 
will be difficult without me to troubleshoot. I have decided I will need the 
ability to get online and VPN in.
Basic needs, will be winbox, webbrowser ( log into an AP) and other basics. 
Nothing heavy.

I will have an garmin inreach for texting and emailing communication.

I will carry my laptop and an extra battery or may buy something lighter if I 
can find an acceptable unit.

What I need help with is the Satellite terminal unit.
I am considering two models.
Hughes 9202 BGAN Terminal and the Huges 9211 BGAN Terminal.  The 9202 is 
lighter by about a pound. That matters a lot to me. I will be carrying an extra 
battery for whatever unit I decide on. Both units tell me I will get IP 
broadband speeds up to 464 kbps. I can live with that if I get those speeds and 
can VPN through it and work through pings, winbox and the gui on cambium 
backhauls and APs.

I know I need to be able to get clear skies to the south I can deal with that. 
What I don’t know is are these connections stable can I depend on it to work at 
close to speeds advertised?

I have a test unit scheduled to be shipped to me next week to try but wanted to 
find out if anyone has used one of these units for similar work?

Best Regards.
Brandon Yuchasz

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Re: [AFMUG] LTE Modems

[Lewis Bergman]

They are both really cheap and really good. I have been using it for
months. I think my highest bill has been three dollars. I use it
intermittently.

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 11:20 TJ Trout  wrote:

> I have the 1120 connected to all of our CCR's using hologram.io service
> because they include a VPN to get inbound access, they were the only guys I
> could find that would provide a non nat connection or at-least a way to get
> through the cellular network NAT without paying the crazy monthly price and
> setup fee for att or verizon and a static ip
>
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 1:54 PM, Josh Heide  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone used netgear LB1120 for mikrotik out of band access? IF not
>> any suggestions on what lte modem or setup works best for remote access?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: https://www.dropbox.com/s/i6ojlxx563pb4um/VW.jpg?raw=1]
>>
>> Josh Heide
>>
>> *Wireless Network Manager*
>>
>> *Velociter Wireless, Inc.*
>>
>> 209-838-1221 x108
>>
>> 1525 2nd st, Escalon Ca 95320
>>
>> Velociter.net |  j...@velociter.net
>>
>> [image: https://www.dropbox.com/s/k58dsk7klmtme65/small%20logo.jpg?raw=1]
>>    [image:
>> http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/184235/dev_images/signature_app/facebook_sig.png]
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Re: [AFMUG] Hughes 9202 BGAN Terminal for remote VPN access.

[Brandon Yuchasz]

We are going to be in the most SE portion of Alaska. Should be able to use it 
there according the sat company.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 3:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hughes 9202 BGAN Terminal for remote VPN access.

 

I can't testify to reliability but I assume you have checked your future 
lat/long and know that sat is good up there. Many sats cut off south of most of 
Alaska. At least that is what I remember. 

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 14:30 Brandon Yuchasz  wrote:

Borg,

We discussed this a while back but I didn’t have specifics back then so I am 
bringing it back to the list for another round.

In august I am taking a backpack, self-guided, alpine Sitka blacktail deer 
hunting trip in SE Alaska with my son and good friend. 

The basics are we are dropped off an sea level on a float plane and we are 
hiking up to the alpine around 300 feet ( so low for alpine). Completely on our 
own for 8 days. 

Everything we have will be on our back. So weight is a large concern. 

I am the geek at the company. They can handle basic help desk, and fixing and 
installing customers without me. But if an AP dies or a backhaul drops things 
will be difficult without me to troubleshoot. I have decided I will need the 
ability to get online and VPN in.

Basic needs, will be winbox, webbrowser ( log into an AP) and other basics. 
Nothing heavy.

 

I will have an garmin inreach for texting and emailing communication. 

 

I will carry my laptop and an extra battery or may buy something lighter if I 
can find an acceptable unit.

 

What I need help with is the Satellite terminal unit.

I am considering two models. 

Hughes 9202 BGAN Terminal and the Huges 9211 BGAN Terminal.  The 9202 is 
lighter by about a pound. That matters a lot to me. I will be carrying an extra 
battery for whatever unit I decide on. Both units tell me I will get IP 
broadband speeds up to 464 kbps. I can live with that if I get those speeds and 
can VPN through it and work through pings, winbox and the gui on cambium 
backhauls and APs. 

 

I know I need to be able to get clear skies to the south I can deal with that. 
What I don’t know is are these connections stable can I depend on it to work at 
close to speeds advertised? 

 

I have a test unit scheduled to be shipped to me next week to try but wanted to 
find out if anyone has used one of these units for similar work?

 

Best Regards.

Brandon Yuchasz

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless rollout | FierceWireless

[Tim Hardy]

Their current business model is based on experimental licenses since the 
spectrum they’ve been using is subject to several NPRMs at the FCC.  They have 
been using 38200 - 38600 MHz since Feb 2016 and renewed this license twice 
since then.  The most recent renewal extended the band to 37000 - 38600 MHz.  
They also recently filed an experimental application for a 3550 - 3700 MHz Bai 
Cells system in Boston.  I’m not sure of the legality of using an experimental 
license to provide a commercial service?

A search of ECFS shows that most of their money has been spent lobbying the 
FCC.  They have filed 39 separate pleadings along with several in-person 
ex-parte meetings since May of 2016.  Not hard to imagine where the money went. 
 It’s interesting that their most recent application lists Ira Keltz, Principal 
Engineer at DLA Law Firm as the technical contact.  Until about 1/2 year ago, 
Ira was Deputy Chief of the FCC’s OET Bureau.  Not making any judgements - just 
all public information from the FCC’s web site.

> On Jul 7, 2018, at 1:26 PM,   wrote:
> 
> I just find it crazy that these VC houses don’t have a single cynical RF 
> engineer on tap to advise them on deals like this.
> I used to do that job for a smaller VC banker in a previous life. 
>  
> I shot down every single presentation I remember except one:
> A company wanted to buy the rights to an abandoned pipeline (water, sewer 
> something, cannot remember)  between Philadelphia and Manhattan (as I recall) 
> a company wanted to blow a fiber down it. 
>  
> This was about 1998. 
> I told them to go full steam ahead on that project. 
>  
> The banker rejected it. 
>  
> From: Bill Prince <>
> Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 11:09 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless 
> rollout | FierceWireless
>  
> Anyone remember MetroFi? I do. We got a couple of nice Dragonwaves when they 
> went bankrupt.
>  
> bp
> 
> 
> On 7/7/2018 8:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> A C series of financing... that means they have already blown all the seed 
>> round, series A and series B money. 
>>  
>> And they are just re-packaging the same tired old idea.  Google Fiber 
>> morphed into one of these... did it ever amount to anything?
>>  
>> I am totally cynical.  I don’t believe in these mm bands for PMP. 
>> Range and weather are always going to be a problem. 
>>  
>> Use the $100M to build fiber instead. 
>>  
>> From: Jaime Solorza <>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 9:16 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless rollout 
>> | FierceWireless
>>  
>> https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/starry-raises-100m-for-802-11-based-fixed-wireless-rollout
>>  
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless rollout | FierceWireless

[Jaime Solorza]

I had a VC guy call me about BelAir networks idea of putting APs on poles
and flooding hotels or schools with 2.4GHz years agoHe didn't
understand RF at all...

Jaime Solorza

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 2:06 PM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

> The investors don't know why it won't work. They just see the speeds
> possible and dream about 80g advertising.
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 12:27  wrote:
>
>> I just find it crazy that these VC houses don’t have a single cynical RF
>> engineer on tap to advise them on deals like this.
>> I used to do that job for a smaller VC banker in a previous life.
>>
>> I shot down every single presentation I remember except one:
>> A company wanted to buy the rights to an abandoned pipeline (water, sewer
>> something, cannot remember)  between Philadelphia and Manhattan (as I
>> recall) a company wanted to blow a fiber down it.
>>
>> This was about 1998.
>> I told them to go full steam ahead on that project.
>>
>> The banker rejected it.
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 7, 2018 11:09 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed
>> wireless rollout | FierceWireless
>>
>>
>> Anyone remember MetroFi? I do. We got a couple of nice Dragonwaves when
>> they went bankrupt.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 7/7/2018 8:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> A C series of financing... that means they have already blown all the
>> seed round, series A and series B money.
>>
>> And they are just re-packaging the same tired old idea.  Google Fiber
>> morphed into one of these... did it ever amount to anything?
>>
>> I am totally cynical.  I don’t believe in these mm bands for PMP.
>> Range and weather are always going to be a problem.
>>
>> Use the $100M to build fiber instead.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 07, 2018 9:16 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless
>> rollout | FierceWireless
>>
>>
>> https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/starry-raises-100m-for-802-11-based-fixed-wireless-rollout
>> Jaime Solorza
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Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless rollout | FierceWireless

[Lewis Bergman]

The investors don't know why it won't work. They just see the speeds
possible and dream about 80g advertising.
On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 12:27  wrote:

> I just find it crazy that these VC houses don’t have a single cynical RF
> engineer on tap to advise them on deals like this.
> I used to do that job for a smaller VC banker in a previous life.
>
> I shot down every single presentation I remember except one:
> A company wanted to buy the rights to an abandoned pipeline (water, sewer
> something, cannot remember)  between Philadelphia and Manhattan (as I
> recall) a company wanted to blow a fiber down it.
>
> This was about 1998.
> I told them to go full steam ahead on that project.
>
> The banker rejected it.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 7, 2018 11:09 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed
> wireless rollout | FierceWireless
>
>
> Anyone remember MetroFi? I do. We got a couple of nice Dragonwaves when
> they went bankrupt.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 7/7/2018 8:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> A C series of financing... that means they have already blown all the seed
> round, series A and series B money.
>
> And they are just re-packaging the same tired old idea.  Google Fiber
> morphed into one of these... did it ever amount to anything?
>
> I am totally cynical.  I don’t believe in these mm bands for PMP.
> Range and weather are always going to be a problem.
>
> Use the $100M to build fiber instead.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 07, 2018 9:16 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless
> rollout | FierceWireless
>
>
> https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/starry-raises-100m-for-802-11-based-fixed-wireless-rollout
> Jaime Solorza
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[AFMUG] Hughes 9202 BGAN Terminal for remote VPN access.

[Brandon Yuchasz]

Borg,

We discussed this a while back but I didn't have specifics back then so I am
bringing it back to the list for another round.

In august I am taking a backpack, self-guided, alpine Sitka blacktail deer
hunting trip in SE Alaska with my son and good friend. 

The basics are we are dropped off an sea level on a float plane and we are
hiking up to the alpine around 300 feet ( so low for alpine). Completely on
our own for 8 days. 

Everything we have will be on our back. So weight is a large concern. 

I am the geek at the company. They can handle basic help desk, and fixing
and installing customers without me. But if an AP dies or a backhaul drops
things will be difficult without me to troubleshoot. I have decided I will
need the ability to get online and VPN in.

Basic needs, will be winbox, webbrowser ( log into an AP) and other basics.
Nothing heavy.

 

I will have an garmin inreach for texting and emailing communication. 

 

I will carry my laptop and an extra battery or may buy something lighter if
I can find an acceptable unit.

 

What I need help with is the Satellite terminal unit.

I am considering two models. 

Hughes 9202 BGAN Terminal and the Huges 9211 BGAN Terminal.  The 9202 is
lighter by about a pound. That matters a lot to me. I will be carrying an
extra battery for whatever unit I decide on. Both units tell me I will get
IP broadband speeds up to 464 kbps. I can live with that if I get those
speeds and can VPN through it and work through pings, winbox and the gui on
cambium backhauls and APs. 

 

I know I need to be able to get clear skies to the south I can deal with
that. What I don't know is are these connections stable can I depend on it
to work at close to speeds advertised? 

 

I have a test unit scheduled to be shipped to me next week to try but wanted
to find out if anyone has used one of these units for similar work?

 

Best Regards.

Brandon Yuchasz

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Used equipment

[chuck]

Not good for an equipment addict to have it sooo close...

Have to tell my wife that we need to eat govt cheese for the next six months 
due to my habit...

From: Chuck Hogg 
Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 12:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Used equipment

I've bought most of my used machinery from RB.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Robert Andrews  wrote:

  Hubba Hubba,,,   D8N 


  On 07/06/2018 12:08 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:


https://www.rbauction.com/heavy-equipment-auctions/salt-lake-city-ut-2018250?showv2=EAIaIQobChMI4p_yi5aL3AIVlsVkCh2LWQxTEAAYASAAEgIbrvD_BwE=aw.ds
 

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 1:04 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Used equipment

No link?

On 07/06/2018 10:35 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  The siren song of an auction is calling.
  Richie Brothers has their SLC auction yard literally 100 yards away.
  They are on the North side if I-80 and I am on the South side.
  I am like a crack addict when it comes to used machinery.






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Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless rollout | FierceWireless

[chuck]

I just find it crazy that these VC houses don’t have a single cynical RF 
engineer on tap to advise them on deals like this.
I used to do that job for a smaller VC banker in a previous life.  

I shot down every single presentation I remember except one:
A company wanted to buy the rights to an abandoned pipeline (water, sewer 
something, cannot remember)  between Philadelphia and Manhattan (as I recall) a 
company wanted to blow a fiber down it.  

This was about 1998.  
I told them to go full steam ahead on that project.  

The banker rejected it.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 11:09 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless 
rollout | FierceWireless

Anyone remember MetroFi? I do. We got a couple of nice Dragonwaves when they 
went bankrupt.



bp


On 7/7/2018 8:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  A C series of financing... that means they have already blown all the seed 
round, series A and series B money.  

  And they are just re-packaging the same tired old idea.  Google Fiber morphed 
into one of these... did it ever amount to anything?

  I am totally cynical.  I don’t believe in these mm bands for PMP.  
  Range and weather are always going to be a problem.  

  Use the $100M to build fiber instead.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 9:16 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless rollout 
| FierceWireless

  
https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/starry-raises-100m-for-802-11-based-fixed-wireless-rollout
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless rollout | FierceWireless

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Anyone remember MetroFi? I do. We got a couple of nice
  Dragonwaves when they went bankrupt.


bp



On 7/7/2018 8:28 AM, Chuck McCown
  wrote:


  
  

  A C series of financing... that means they have already
blown all the seed round, series A and series B money.  
   
  And they are just re-packaging the same tired old idea. 
Google Fiber morphed into one of these... did it ever amount
to anything?
   
  I am totally cynical.  I don’t believe in these mm bands
for PMP.  
  Range and weather are always going to be a problem.  
   
  Use the $100M to build fiber instead.  
  
 

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 9:16 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
  Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for
802.11-based fixed wireless rollout | FierceWireless

 
  
  
https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/starry-raises-100m-for-802-11-based-fixed-wireless-rollout
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Re: [AFMUG] OT equipment shed

[chuck]

That is what one of the local lumber companies used to do.  
We don’t have either of those two companies around here.  
I am sure there is a similar company in the SLC area though.

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 10:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT equipment shed

Find a Carter Lumber or 84 or whoever the large lumber houses are near you that 
build trusses.   Give them the dimensions you want and they will crank out a 
set of plans and BOM for you.  Since they have to engineer the trusses to the 
local building codes they should be able to stamp the building plans they 
supply as well.   At least when I built a pole barn here that is what I did.   

Mark



  On Jul 7, 2018, at 10:50 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Wow, I wonder how long lived one of those things are.  

  From: Jon Langeler 
  Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 6:54 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT equipment shed

  Would this work for you? 

  
https://www.auctiontime.com/listings/other-items/auction-results/24008539/2018-premium-storage-buildings-new-50x150x23-double-truss-storage-building?LP=MAT
 



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  On Jul 6, 2018, at 6:29 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


I want to build an equipment shed.  Pole barn hay shed type of structure, 
metal siding on the two long sides, mostly open on the gable walls.
But I don’t want to pay a structural engineer for stamped plans.  Need 
something for the county though to get the permit.

I know I can build it and it will be just as sound as one designed by a 
structural engineer.  Poles, trusses, purlins etc.  Have done it before.  

Not having much luck in finding engineered drawings online.  Used to be a 
hardware store in SLC that sold stamped plans for things like this but no more. 
 

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Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless rollout | FierceWireless

[Jason McKemie]

I was thinking the same thing. Seems like a lot of buzz by people trying to
grab investor money.

On Saturday, July 7, 2018, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> A C series of financing... that means they have already blown all the seed
> round, series A and series B money.
>
> And they are just re-packaging the same tired old idea.  Google Fiber
> morphed into one of these... did it ever amount to anything?
>
> I am totally cynical.  I don’t believe in these mm bands for PMP.
> Range and weather are always going to be a problem.
>
> Use the $100M to build fiber instead.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 07, 2018 9:16 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless
> rollout | FierceWireless
>
> https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/starry-raises-100m-
> for-802-11-based-fixed-wireless-rollout
> Jaime Solorza
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Re: [AFMUG] LTE Modems

[TJ Trout]

I have the 1120 connected to all of our CCR's using hologram.io service
because they include a VPN to get inbound access, they were the only guys I
could find that would provide a non nat connection or at-least a way to get
through the cellular network NAT without paying the crazy monthly price and
setup fee for att or verizon and a static ip

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 1:54 PM, Josh Heide  wrote:

>
>
> Has anyone used netgear LB1120 for mikrotik out of band access? IF not any
> suggestions on what lte modem or setup works best for remote access?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance!!
>
>
>
>
>
> [image: https://www.dropbox.com/s/i6ojlxx563pb4um/VW.jpg?raw=1]
>
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>
> *Wireless Network Manager*
>
> *Velociter Wireless, Inc.*
>
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>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless rollout | FierceWireless

[Jaime Solorza]

Winstar comes to mind

Jaime Solorza

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 9:32 AM Danny Ben-Simhon  wrote:

> No, they don't
>
> Sent from BlueMail 
> On Jul 7, 2018, at 18:23, "Gino A. Villarini"  wrote:
>>
>> Does Starry hold spectrum in mmw?
>>
>> I don't recall
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> @gvillarini
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2018, at 5:18 PM, Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/starry-raises-100m-for-802-11-based-fixed-wireless-rollout
>> Jaime Solorza
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Re: [AFMUG] OT equipment shed

[Chuck McCown]

I found a guy online that does semi custom garage, barn and shed designs for 
$350.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 8:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT equipment shed

Wow, I wonder how long lived one of those things are.  

From: Jon Langeler 
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 6:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT equipment shed

Would this work for you? 

https://www.auctiontime.com/listings/other-items/auction-results/24008539/2018-premium-storage-buildings-new-50x150x23-double-truss-storage-building?LP=MAT
 



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On Jul 6, 2018, at 6:29 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


  I want to build an equipment shed.  Pole barn hay shed type of structure, 
metal siding on the two long sides, mostly open on the gable walls.
  But I don’t want to pay a structural engineer for stamped plans.  Need 
something for the county though to get the permit.

  I know I can build it and it will be just as sound as one designed by a 
structural engineer.  Poles, trusses, purlins etc.  Have done it before.  

  Not having much luck in finding engineered drawings online.  Used to be a 
hardware store in SLC that sold stamped plans for things like this but no more. 
 

  If anyone knows of such a source, please turn me on to it.  
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Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless rollout | FierceWireless

[Danny Ben-Simhon]

No, they don't

⁣Sent from BlueMail ​

On Jul 7, 2018, 18:23, at 18:23, "Gino A. Villarini"  wrote:
>Does Starry hold spectrum in mmw?
>
>I don't recall
>
>Gino A. Villarini
>@gvillarini
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Gino A. Villarini
>
>
>President
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>
>On Jul 7, 2018, at 5:18 PM, Jaime Solorza
>mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/starry-raises-100m-for-802-11-based-fixed-wireless-rollout
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Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless rollout | FierceWireless

[Chuck McCown]

A C series of financing... that means they have already blown all the seed 
round, series A and series B money.  

And they are just re-packaging the same tired old idea.  Google Fiber morphed 
into one of these... did it ever amount to anything?

I am totally cynical.  I don’t believe in these mm bands for PMP.  
Range and weather are always going to be a problem.  

Use the $100M to build fiber instead.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 9:16 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless rollout | 
FierceWireless

https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/starry-raises-100m-for-802-11-based-fixed-wireless-rollout
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless rollout | FierceWireless

[Gino A. Villarini]

Does Starry hold spectrum in mmw?

I don't recall

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini






Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Jul 7, 2018, at 5:18 PM, Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/starry-raises-100m-for-802-11-based-fixed-wireless-rollout
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Re: [AFMUG] Long PTP link with epmp.

[Josh Luthman]

Right 500 megs over the air but 0 to the ground with your Ethernet link not
working.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, 1:41 PM Rory Conaway  wrote:

> There are several options that will be an improvement over the Force 200’s
> for this.  The Mimosa C5c can hit as much as 500Mbps or more depending on
> the quality of the link for $130 per radio.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 5, 2018 10:13 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Long PTP link with epmp.
>
>
>
> I am looking at being cheap while going long today. We currently have a 32
> mile 5ghz rocket link with a 29dbi antenna and a the 34dbi antenna on each
> end. We get about 20 mbps fdd out of the link and I am looking at the epmp
> 1000 connectorized gear to replace it for slightly better performance. I
> think according to linkplanner with the Force 200's I would get at least 45
> mbps out of the link.
>
> Has anyone done a link close to this long?
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[AFMUG] Starry raises $100M for 802.11-based fixed wireless rollout | FierceWireless

[Jaime Solorza]

https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/starry-raises-100m-for-802-11-based-fixed-wireless-rollout
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Re: [AFMUG] OT equipment shed

[Chuck McCown]

Wow, I wonder how long lived one of those things are.  

From: Jon Langeler 
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 6:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT equipment shed

Would this work for you? 

https://www.auctiontime.com/listings/other-items/auction-results/24008539/2018-premium-storage-buildings-new-50x150x23-double-truss-storage-building?LP=MAT
 



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On Jul 6, 2018, at 6:29 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


  I want to build an equipment shed.  Pole barn hay shed type of structure, 
metal siding on the two long sides, mostly open on the gable walls.
  But I don’t want to pay a structural engineer for stamped plans.  Need 
something for the county though to get the permit.

  I know I can build it and it will be just as sound as one designed by a 
structural engineer.  Poles, trusses, purlins etc.  Have done it before.  

  Not having much luck in finding engineered drawings online.  Used to be a 
hardware store in SLC that sold stamped plans for things like this but no more. 
 

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