Re: [AFMUG] Another test

[Sean Heskett]

10-4

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 6:22 PM Keefe John  wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills

[Chuck McCown]

But still holding to my stat of only 33% are even showing up for an interview.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 4, 2019, at 7:57 PM, Jerry Head  wrote:
> 
> Disagree.
> We hired an installer last year who just turned 18.
> He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up.
> We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router.
> He failed.
> My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway".
> We did hire him and he has worked out really well.
> So there's that I guess.
> 
> 
>> On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A couple of thoughts:
>>> 
>>> Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting
>>> in their own time.Maybe some probing questions about what they
>>> have done on their own.  Depending on what you're looking for, things
>>> like 'have you ever played with an arduino?  Raspberry Pi? etc?'
>>> might help.
>>> 
>>> Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing?
>>> That might be a good starting point.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
 
 When I was young I went exploring.  I'd ask my mom if I could go for a
 bike ride.  I never really specified where, and just kept ranging
 farther and farther from home.  I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes,
 climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries,
 and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of.  I got there on
 my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the
 category of "going for a bike ride".  I only got arrested once, but I
 probably deserved it a few more times.
 
 I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play
 with the components.  At an early job they were impressed that I
 correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence.  I also plugged a
 DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also melted a
 NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long.
 
 My hobbies included model trains and my RC car.  I could tell you the
 difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I tagged
 along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger 10/22.  I
 slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring
 anything but matches.  Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks with
 homemade black powder and/or match heads.
 
 My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a
 lawnmower, and so on.
 
 Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I
 took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. Things
 like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, and
 a general sense of time, distance, and direction.
 
 So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job applicant
 is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works?  How do
 I attract that applicant to begin with?  I may want specific skills too
 like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who can figure
 stuff out and won't be deterred by every little bump in the road.
 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills

[Jerry Head]

Disagree.
We hired an installer last year who just turned 18.
He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up.
We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router.
He failed.
My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway".
We did hire him and he has worked out really well.
So there's that I guess.


On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

A couple of thoughts:

Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting
in their own time.Maybe some probing questions about what they
have done on their own.  Depending on what you're looking for, things
like 'have you ever played with an arduino?  Raspberry Pi? etc?'
might help.

Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing?
That might be a good starting point.




On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

When I was young I went exploring.  I'd ask my mom if I could go for a
bike ride.  I never really specified where, and just kept ranging
farther and farther from home.  I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes,
climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries,
and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of.  I got there on
my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the
category of "going for a bike ride".  I only got arrested once, but I
probably deserved it a few more times.

I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play
with the components.  At an early job they were impressed that I
correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence.  I also plugged a
DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also melted a
NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long.

My hobbies included model trains and my RC car.  I could tell you the
difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I tagged
along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger 10/22.  I
slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring
anything but matches.  Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks with
homemade black powder and/or match heads.

My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a
lawnmower, and so on.

Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I
took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. Things
like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, and
a general sense of time, distance, and direction.

So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job applicant
is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works?  How do
I attract that applicant to begin with?  I may want specific skills too
like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who can figure
stuff out and won't be deterred by every little bump in the road.


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Re: [AFMUG] Another test

[Mike Hammett]

Dang it! 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Keefe John"  
To: "AFMUG"  
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 8:21:16 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Another test 


Can anyone hear me now? 


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[AFMUG] Another test

[Keefe John]

Can anyone hear me now?

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[AFMUG] Alianza?

[Chuck McCown]

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Re: [AFMUG] Test

[Mathew Howard]

looks like the original email was CC'd to Chuck, I don't think it made it
to the list.

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 10:45 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Curious. I got Chuck's reply, but I did not get the OP.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 6/4/2019 7:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I did.
>
> *From:* Keefe John
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 4, 2019 8:54 AM
> *To:* AFMUG
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Test
>
> Did anyone get this?
>
> Keefe John
> CEO
> Ethoplex
> Direct: 262.345.5200
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] connectorized 450 SM replacement

[Ken Hohhof]

Maybe.  Not 100 of them though.  I'll email you offlist.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 4:49 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] connectorized 450 SM replacement

 

I have over 100 new connectorized 450 SM on the shelf.   Do you want to buy
some?

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 11:03 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] connectorized 450 SM replacement

 

Has anyone found an replacement for the connectorized 450 SM, now that it is
discontinued?  There are rumors of a connectorized 450b, but I can't install
a rumor.

 

Yes, there's a connectorized 450i, but it needs 48V POE and is prohibitively
expensive.  And I really don't want to try and butcher a 450b to solder coax
connectors or cables to the PCB.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] connectorized 450 SM replacement

[SmarterBroadband]

I have over 100 new connectorized 450 SM on the shelf.   Do you want to buy
some?

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 11:03 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] connectorized 450 SM replacement

 

Has anyone found an replacement for the connectorized 450 SM, now that it is
discontinued?  There are rumors of a connectorized 450b, but I can't install
a rumor.

 

Yes, there's a connectorized 450i, but it needs 48V POE and is prohibitively
expensive.  And I really don't want to try and butcher a 450b to solder coax
connectors or cables to the PCB.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Squirrels and fiber

[Nate Burke]

When the Cellco's first started running fiber to the antenna years ago, 
we were talking to some tower guys who said that the cable they chose 
was a "green" cable which had a plant based jacket.  The squirrels loved 
it.  Apparently it wasn't uncommon to be looking into the eyes of an 
angry squirrel 180' up a monopole.  I'm guessing they just changed 
cables, as I don't see any other 'special' things at tower sites these 
days.


On 6/4/2019 4:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


If squirrels are not deterred by the outer layers of black walnuts, 
how bad can this cable taste?


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 4, 2019 1:56 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Squirrels and fiber

Is the fiber armored or just single jacket?

We have repaired a number of the ADSS cables that the school district 
ran that have been chewed by squirrels.So far we have not seen any 
damage to the armored cables that we replaced them with.


Commscope makes an ‘alternative jacket’ cable that apparently tastes 
bad.  Can’t say I have tried it (either installing it or eating it): 
https://www.commscope.com/catalog/doc/pdf/7460/Alternate_Jacket_Fiber_Optic_Cable.pdf


Mark



On Jun 4, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Clint Wiley mailto:cl...@hagerstownfiber.com>> wrote:

Had our first fiber cut yesterday. Squirrels chewed open our
aerial fiber cable in three places along a grass alley. I think
this section will need some sort of squirrel protection. What are
others doing to protect their fiber in spots like this?

Thanks,

Clint Wiley

Hagerstown Fiber Internet

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Re: [AFMUG] Squirrels and fiber

[Ken Hohhof]

If squirrels are not deterred by the outer layers of black walnuts, how bad can 
this cable taste?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 1:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Squirrels and fiber

 

Is the fiber armored or just single jacket?

 

We have repaired a number of the ADSS cables that the school district ran that 
have been chewed by squirrels.So far we have not seen any damage to the 
armored cables that we replaced them with.

 

Commscope makes an ‘alternative jacket’ cable that apparently tastes bad.  
Can’t say I have tried it (either installing it or eating it):  
https://www.commscope.com/catalog/doc/pdf/7460/Alternate_Jacket_Fiber_Optic_Cable.pdf

 

Mark

 





On Jun 4, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Clint Wiley mailto:cl...@hagerstownfiber.com> > wrote:

 

Had our first fiber cut yesterday. Squirrels chewed open our aerial fiber cable 
in three places along a grass alley. I think this section will need some sort 
of squirrel protection. What are others doing to protect their fiber in spots 
like this? 

 

Thanks,

 

Clint Wiley

Hagerstown Fiber Internet

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Re: [AFMUG] connectorized 450 SM replacement

[Gino A. Villarini]

Open a 450b and install pigtails


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From: AF  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 at 2:03 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] connectorized 450 SM replacement

Has anyone found an replacement for the connectorized 450 SM, now that it is 
discontinued?  There are rumors of a connectorized 450b, but I can’t install a 
rumor.

Yes, there’s a connectorized 450i, but it needs 48V POE and is prohibitively 
expensive.  And I really don’t want to try and butcher a 450b to solder coax 
connectors or cables to the PCB.

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Re: [AFMUG] Squirrels and fiber

[Clint Wiley]

Basically, it’s a pole line that runs through back yards. Most of the poles in 
this town are either street side or in alleys, but in some places where they 
run through these grass alleys the trees aren’t trimmed and I think that may be 
part of our problem.

Thanks,

Clint Wiley
Hagerstown Fiber Internet

From: AF  on behalf of Carl Peterson 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 at 3:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Squirrels and fiber

whats a grass alley?


On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 1:57 PM Mark Radabaugh 
mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
Is the fiber armored or just single jacket?

We have repaired a number of the ADSS cables that the school district ran that 
have been chewed by squirrels.So far we have not seen any damage to the 
armored cables that we replaced them with.

Commscope makes an ‘alternative jacket’ cable that apparently tastes bad.  
Can’t say I have tried it (either installing it or eating it):  
https://www.commscope.com/catalog/doc/pdf/7460/Alternate_Jacket_Fiber_Optic_Cable.pdf

Mark



On Jun 4, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Clint Wiley 
mailto:cl...@hagerstownfiber.com>> wrote:

Had our first fiber cut yesterday. Squirrels chewed open our aerial fiber cable 
in three places along a grass alley. I think this section will need some sort 
of squirrel protection. What are others doing to protect their fiber in spots 
like this?

Thanks,

Clint Wiley
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Re: [AFMUG] Squirrels and fiber

[Carl Peterson]

whats a grass alley?


On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 1:57 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Is the fiber armored or just single jacket?
>
> We have repaired a number of the ADSS cables that the school district ran
> that have been chewed by squirrels.So far we have not seen any damage
> to the armored cables that we replaced them with.
>
> Commscope makes an ‘alternative jacket’ cable that apparently tastes bad.
> Can’t say I have tried it (either installing it or eating it):
> https://www.commscope.com/catalog/doc/pdf/7460/Alternate_Jacket_Fiber_Optic_Cable.pdf
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Jun 4, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Clint Wiley  wrote:
>
> Had our first fiber cut yesterday. Squirrels chewed open our aerial fiber
> cable in three places along a grass alley. I think this section will need
> some sort of squirrel protection. What are others doing to protect their
> fiber in spots like this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Clint Wiley
> Hagerstown Fiber Internet
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Re: [AFMUG] Squirrels and fiber

[Mark Radabaugh]

Is the fiber armored or just single jacket?

We have repaired a number of the ADSS cables that the school district ran that 
have been chewed by squirrels.So far we have not seen any damage to the 
armored cables that we replaced them with.

Commscope makes an ‘alternative jacket’ cable that apparently tastes bad.  
Can’t say I have tried it (either installing it or eating it):  
https://www.commscope.com/catalog/doc/pdf/7460/Alternate_Jacket_Fiber_Optic_Cable.pdf
 


Mark


> On Jun 4, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Clint Wiley  wrote:
> 
> Had our first fiber cut yesterday. Squirrels chewed open our aerial fiber 
> cable in three places along a grass alley. I think this section will need 
> some sort of squirrel protection. What are others doing to protect their 
> fiber in spots like this? 
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Clint Wiley
> Hagerstown Fiber Internet
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[AFMUG] Squirrels and fiber

[Clint Wiley]

Had our first fiber cut yesterday. Squirrels chewed open our aerial fiber cable 
in three places along a grass alley. I think this section will need some sort 
of squirrel protection. What are others doing to protect their fiber in spots 
like this?

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[AFMUG] connectorized 450 SM replacement

[Ken Hohhof]

Has anyone found an replacement for the connectorized 450 SM, now that it is
discontinued?  There are rumors of a connectorized 450b, but I can't install
a rumor.

 

Yes, there's a connectorized 450i, but it needs 48V POE and is prohibitively
expensive.  And I really don't want to try and butcher a 450b to solder coax
connectors or cables to the PCB.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Test

[Sean Heskett]

same

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 8:45 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Curious. I got Chuck's reply, but I did not get the OP.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 6/4/2019 7:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I did.
>
> *From:* Keefe John
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 4, 2019 8:54 AM
> *To:* AFMUG
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Test
>
> Did anyone get this?
>
> Keefe John
> CEO
> Ethoplex
> Direct: 262.345.5200
> 
> Ethoplex Business Internet
> http://www.ethoplex.com/
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Re: [AFMUG] Test

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Curious. I got Chuck's reply, but I did not get the OP.


bp



On 6/4/2019 7:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  I did.
  

   
  
From: Keefe
John 
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 8:54 AM
To: AFMUG 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Test
  

 
  
  
Did anyone get this?
  
 

  

  

  
Keefe John
  CEO
  Ethoplex 
Direct:
  262.345.5200 
  

Ethoplex
  Business Internet 
http://www.ethoplex.com/ 
Signal
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http://www.signalisp.com/ 
   
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Re: [AFMUG] Test

[Steve Jones]

chucks lying, he didnt get it, dont trust that man

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:57 AM  wrote:

> I did.
>
> *From:* Keefe John
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 4, 2019 8:54 AM
> *To:* AFMUG
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Test
>
> Did anyone get this?
>
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> CEO
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> Direct: 262.345.5200
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Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer job in NY State

[Ken Hohhof]

It depends on the work that needs to be done.  I think both a blind insistence 
on a college degree and a total disregard for the value of a formal education 
are mistakes.  And of course having a degree from 20 years ago doesn't count 
for much other than it launched your career and allowed you to get a bunch of 
experience since then.

There was an SNL skit about "5 Minute University".  The premise was that years 
later you would only remember 5 minutes from your college education, and 5 
Minute University would teach you those 5 minutes.  Some truth in that.

Back in the 90's before the tech bubble burst, I was hiring a bunch of software 
engineers.  Everyone wanted candidates with experience in the specific language 
they would be coding so they could "hit the ground running".  There would be 
some new language that was only 2 years old and HR would be insisting on 
candidates with 3 years experience in it.  Often I found the best hires were 
actually contractors.  I don't know if they had degrees, but they knew software 
engineering concepts as well as the methodology for error free designs and how 
to work on complex projects as part of a team.  Not just how to crank out code. 
 I saw multiple projects with so many design defects they could not be salvaged 
via debug and fix, you had to start over.

Similarly, I've seen so many electricians cut the wrong Cat5 cable and then 
splice it with 8 wire nuts.  They don't have the knowledge about things  like 
crosstalk and reflections to understand why wire nuts work for power but not 
for high speed data.  But they sure know how to bend conduit and install wiring 
per code.

I saw one company where the new owner fired any engineers without a degree.  
Their competitors got some good new hires out of that.  You have to ask not 
only does this person have the knowledge but not the formal degree, but also 
what knowledge does the job require.  An installer or salesperson or even an IT 
tech probably has little use for a university education.  A structural engineer 
or architect maybe does.  I remember an example from an HR class in MBA school, 
that a watch company was requiring 20/20 vision for their watchmakers, when in 
fact nearsighted people would be better.  Or some companies with boring,  
repetitive tasks that nonetheless must be done accurately have found that 
autistic people are the best hires.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 10:02 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer job in NY State

I've worked for/with two companies that had heavy emphasis on advanced degrees. 
 NELCOR and early Google.   Single biggest advantage: Belief they can make 
anything happen, biggest problem: inability to execute to a schedule with 
delivery times slipping typically 2x scheduled delivery and a large percentage 
of undeliverables.   Bunch of "Home Run" hitters was the description someone 
reviewing the tech team once said.

On 6/4/19 7:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> I agree with Forrest.  A degree means close to nothing in my 
> experience. Work experience is important but the property mentality 
> and passion for the work is key.
>
> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 8:05 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer job in NY State
>
> If you've got someone in mind, with or without a degree, then send him 
> over.
>
> On 6/4/2019 2:18 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>> Just a random observation:
>>
>> The Degree requirement may eliminate some of your best candidates.
>> Some of the best IT/system admin people I've ever interacted with 
>> don't have a degree.   Most of the tech job listings anymore don't 
>> even include this line, or if they feel the need to include it, they 
>> add something like " Relevant work experience may substitute for 
>> required education."
>>
>> The only place one sees this anymore is for jobs in traditionally 
>> degree-heavy industries like aerospace, and even then they usually 
>> include an 'x years of work experience can be substituted for the 
>> degree requirement'.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 5:06 AM Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>> If you know anyone who is interested:
>>>
>>> https://post.craigslist.org/k/_lVq98KC6RGKR8SL39YNog/xqb4d?s=preview
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Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer job in NY State

[Robert]

I've worked for/with two companies that had heavy emphasis on advanced 
degrees.  NELCOR and early Google.   Single biggest advantage: Belief 
they can make anything happen, biggest problem: inability to execute to 
a schedule with delivery times slipping typically 2x scheduled delivery 
and a large percentage of undeliverables.   Bunch of "Home Run" hitters 
was the description someone reviewing the tech team once said.


On 6/4/19 7:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I agree with Forrest.  A degree means close to nothing in my 
experience. Work experience is important but the property mentality 
and passion for the work is key.


-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 8:05 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer job in NY State

If you've got someone in mind, with or without a degree, then send him 
over.


On 6/4/2019 2:18 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Just a random observation:

The Degree requirement may eliminate some of your best candidates.
Some of the best IT/system admin people I've ever interacted with
don't have a degree.   Most of the tech job listings anymore don't
even include this line, or if they feel the need to include it, they
add something like " Relevant work experience may substitute for
required education."

The only place one sees this anymore is for jobs in traditionally
degree-heavy industries like aerospace, and even then they usually
include an 'x years of work experience can be substituted for the
degree requirement'.


On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 5:06 AM Adam Moffett  
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Re: [AFMUG] Test

[chuck]

I did.

From: Keefe John 
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 8:54 AM
To: AFMUG 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Test

Did anyone get this? 

Keefe John 
CEO
Ethoplex 
Direct: 262.345.5200 
 
Ethoplex Business Internet 
http://www.ethoplex.com/ 
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Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer job in NY State

[chuck]

I agree with Forrest.  A degree means close to nothing in my experience. 
Work experience is important but the property mentality and passion for the 
work is key.


-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett

Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 8:05 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer job in NY State

If you've got someone in mind, with or without a degree, then send him over.

On 6/4/2019 2:18 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Just a random observation:

The Degree requirement may eliminate some of your best candidates.
Some of the best IT/system admin people I've ever interacted with
don't have a degree.   Most of the tech job listings anymore don't
even include this line, or if they feel the need to include it, they
add something like " Relevant work experience may substitute for
required education."

The only place one sees this anymore is for jobs in traditionally
degree-heavy industries like aerospace, and even then they usually
include an 'x years of work experience can be substituted for the
degree requirement'.


On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 5:06 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

If you know anyone who is interested:

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Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer job in NY State

[Adam Moffett]

If you've got someone in mind, with or without a degree, then send him over.

On 6/4/2019 2:18 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Just a random observation:

The Degree requirement may eliminate some of your best candidates.
Some of the best IT/system admin people I've ever interacted with
don't have a degree.   Most of the tech job listings anymore don't
even include this line, or if they feel the need to include it, they
add something like " Relevant work experience may substitute for
required education."

The only place one sees this anymore is for jobs in traditionally
degree-heavy industries like aerospace, and even then they usually
include an 'x years of work experience can be substituted for the
degree requirement'.


On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 5:06 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

If you know anyone who is interested:

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Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

[dave]

Capt Dan... You got no legs :)


On 6/4/19 8:33 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


Fundamentally except for the quantities. Starlink is putting up almost 
as many birds per launch as Iridium put up in total.



bp


On 6/3/2019 7:36 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
If you look at Iridium and adjust for inflation the cost should be 
easily attainable since it was a public company.

Fundamentally the same network right?

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019, 7:44 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:



Only 10 launches a year on F9.  Say 15m for S2, 10m for S1
(assume 5x reuse & refurb cost).  So 1/4b per year in launch
costs.  Assume another 1/4b for the birds and 1/4b for ops. 
You've got a world wide network for 3/4b per year.

> On Jun 3, 2019, at 5:55 PM, Matt Hoppes
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:
>
> Ek. That’s rather expensive.
>
>> On Jun 3, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Once they get all the bird flying, one estimate is that they
will have to launch ~~ 600 per year just to replace the dead ones.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>> On 6/3/2019 3:19 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> How do you maintain a fleet of that many satellites?  Or do
you just let one fail and send a new one up?
>>>
 On Jun 3, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Robert Andrews
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

 If I don't have to sign a NDA,  I'll share what I find out...

> On 06/03/2019 11:23 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> Anyone planning to get one and give it a try?
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Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Fundamentally except for the quantities. Starlink is putting up
  almost as many birds per launch as Iridium put up in total. 



bp



On 6/3/2019 7:36 PM, Lewis Bergman
  wrote:


  
  If you look at Iridium and adjust for inflation
the cost should be easily attainable since it was a public
company.
Fundamentally the same network right?
  
  
  
On Mon, Jun 3, 2019, 7:44 PM
  Carl Peterson 
  wrote:


  Only 10 launches a year on F9.  Say 15m for S2, 10m for S1
  (assume 5x reuse & refurb cost).  So 1/4b per year in
  launch costs.  Assume another 1/4b for the birds and 1/4b for
  ops.  You've got a world wide network for 3/4b per year.  
  
  > On Jun 3, 2019, at 5:55 PM, Matt Hoppes 
  wrote:
  > 
  > Ek. That’s rather expensive. 
  > 
  >> On Jun 3, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Bill Prince 
  wrote:
  >> 
  >> Once they get all the bird flying, one estimate is
  that they will have to launch ~~ 600 per year just to replace
  the dead ones.
  >> 
  >> 
  >> bp
  >> 
  >> 
  >>> On 6/3/2019 3:19 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
  >>> How do you maintain a fleet of that many
  satellites?  Or do you just let one fail and send a new one
  up?
  >>> 
   On Jun 3, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Robert Andrews
  
  wrote:
   
   If I don't have to sign a NDA,  I'll share
  what I find out...
   
  > On 06/03/2019 11:23 AM, Seth Mattinen
  wrote:
  > Anyone planning to get one and give it a
  try?
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Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

[castarritt]

I think the biggest hurdle for them to serve residential customers is going
to be the cost of the phased array CPE.  They seem to think they can get it
under $300 with mass production, but all of us should know what happens
when you put cheap complicated electronics up on peoples' roofs.  I just
don't see them coming out with a fast, cheap, and reliable (pick two) CPE
any time soon, and I bet this is why they are now saying that their initial
business model is B2B.

On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 4:39 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> Consider, Starlink is going to be pretty busy for a good while replacing
> a lot of other legacy services, serving big customers like the US
> military, every mobile data service, and otherwise figuring out their
> business model for another 5 years.   I think we might have a great shot
> at using these for replacing our backhauls for another 5 years after
> that before they start looking at actual consumer sales.   Oh yeah and
> Tesla cars, gotta figure they are going to be including service through
> starlink with the antenna built in after a couple of year.  IF the
> performance is good and the reliability doesn't suck I imagine every
> vehicle would look at this as a great alternative to cell service.+
>
> I cannot imagine they are going to be selling for less than $150/month
> for a good while...
>
> On 06/01/2019 02:22 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> > Naturally, we're all thinking about what effect this will have in rural
> > America, but I am also wondering if this would have some effect on
> > China's "great firewall"?
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 6/1/2019 1:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >>
> >> I think one factor advocacy groups and govt critters need to keep in
> >> mind is that instead of robust competition, what could occur is
> >> “disruptive” pricing, having the effect of discouraging or bankrupting
> >> the competition.  And now some new entrant is the only game in town.
> >> And if it turns out to be unreliable, or not to  have enough
> >> capacity,  or their speeds are actually best effort, or their
> >> satellites start dropping out of the sky, or whatever, people can’t
> >> switch back to their old provider.  Like being dissatisfied with
> >> online stores and assuming you can always switch back to the old brick
> >> and mortar store, from Uber and Lyft back to taxis and limos.  Sorry,
> >> they don’t exist anymore.
> >>
> >> This is unlikely to happen in big cities, I doubt Comcast will go
> >> bankrupt because of Starlink.  But to just assume there will be lots
> >> of choices out in the middle of nowhere driving the price down without
> >> any of them turning off the lights, seems a little naïve.
> >>
> >> And to assume big megacorps like SpaceX, Amazon, Googe,  Facebook,
> >> etc. would never price below cost to be “disruptive” also seems naïve.
> >>
> >> *From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 1, 2019 3:20 PM
> >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All
> >> Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space
> >>
> >> Sure. But after the clouds, geostationary still needs to go another
> >> 23,000 miles. LEO only has to go a few hundred.
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >> On 6/1/2019 10:47 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
> >>
> >> Clouds are generally a lot lower than a couple hundred miles...
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jun 1, 2019, 10:58 AM Bill Prince  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Maybe at geostationary distances, but these are only a few
> >> hundred miles up.
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >> On 6/1/2019 8:56 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >> > Don't those bands have significant attenuation issues with
> >> like...
> >> > clouds?
> >> >
> >> > On 6/1/19 10:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >> >> According to Wikipedia, they will be on Ku, Ka, and V bands.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_(satellite_constellation)
> >> >>
> >> >> bp
> >> >> 
> >> >>
> >> >> On 6/1/2019 7:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> >> >>> Wonder what frequencies they will use?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >>
> https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellites-phone-home-dimming.html
> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer job in NY State

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Just a random observation:

The Degree requirement may eliminate some of your best candidates.
Some of the best IT/system admin people I've ever interacted with
don't have a degree.   Most of the tech job listings anymore don't
even include this line, or if they feel the need to include it, they
add something like " Relevant work experience may substitute for
required education."

The only place one sees this anymore is for jobs in traditionally
degree-heavy industries like aerospace, and even then they usually
include an 'x years of work experience can be substituted for the
degree requirement'.


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>
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