Disagree.
We hired an installer last year who just turned 18.
He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up.
We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router.
He failed.
My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway".
We did hire him and he has worked out really well.
So there's that I guess.
On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
<[email protected]> wrote:
A couple of thoughts:
Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting
in their own time. Maybe some probing questions about what they
have done on their own. Depending on what you're looking for, things
like 'have you ever played with an arduino? Raspberry Pi? etc?'
might help.
Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing?
That might be a good starting point.
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote:
When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for a
bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging
farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes,
climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries,
and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got there on
my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the
category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I
probably deserved it a few more times.
I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play
with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I
correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also plugged a
DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also melted a
NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long.
My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the
difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I tagged
along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger 10/22. I
slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring
anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks with
homemade black powder and/or match heads.
My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a
lawnmower, and so on.
Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I
took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. Things
like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, and
a general sense of time, distance, and direction.
So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job applicant
is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works? How do
I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want specific skills too
like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who can figure
stuff out and won't be deterred by every little bump in the road.
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