Re: [AFMUG] Utility Easement over private property

[Erich Kaiser]

You are 100% correct this is what my attorney said.





On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:56 PM  wrote:

> If it is aerial, it is probably on poles you do not own.
>
> If you are paying for a pole attachment, then you are covered by the
> easement of the pole owner.
> I would simply ignore the situation.
>
> If a landowner brings it up tell they you are in the public utility ROW.
> Have them prove you wrong.
>
> *From:* Erich Kaiser
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:48 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Utility Easement over private property
>
> So we have run into a situation where our aerial fiber (Put in from
> previous ownership) is over a utility easement over private property, do we
> need to have some type of agreement with land owner or is this considered a
> Public ROW?  Its zoned as an easement and citys water lines run through it
> as well.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Utility Easement over private property

[chuck]

Yes and if the parcel in question does not have an easement recorded there is 
no easement.  
Sometimes best not to know. 

From: Brian Webster 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 1:01 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Utility Easement over private property

Somewhere there should be a recorded written document that is attached to the 
property history for the parcel. Maps do not cover the written legal 
description and details. There are many types of easements. Nothing of the 
public rules for easements apply on private land. The easement should read 
similarly to a deed or right of way access document. That written document and 
the specific legal language will define the rights you may or may not have. 
Existing ROW laws and such do not apply so trying to determine that based on 
public rights of ways use will not have any legal binding over this private 
land.

 

Same disclaimer about me not being a lawyer apply.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 2:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Utility Easement over private property

 



 

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:01 PM Brian Webster  wrote:

  You have to check the easement terms the utility company has over said 
property. If it is worded such that they only have it for their company and 
their specific utility use then you need your own. If it has more general 
wording that it includes communications/telephone easement as well then you 
should be ok. I am not a lawyer however and did not stay at a Holiday Inn 
Express last night.

   

  Thank you,

  Brian Webster

  www.wirelessmapping.com

   

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
  Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 1:49 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  Subject: [AFMUG] Utility Easement over private property

   

  So we have run into a situation where our aerial fiber (Put in from previous 
ownership) is over a utility easement over private property, do we need to have 
some type of agreement with land owner or is this considered a Public ROW?  Its 
zoned as an easement and citys water lines run through it as well.

   

   

   

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Re: [AFMUG] Utility Easement over private property

[chuck]

If it is aerial, it is probably on poles you do not own.  

If you are paying for a pole attachment, then you are covered by the easement 
of the pole owner.  
I would simply ignore the situation.  

If a landowner brings it up tell they you are in the public utility ROW.  Have 
them prove you wrong.  

From: Erich Kaiser 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Utility Easement over private property

So we have run into a situation where our aerial fiber (Put in from previous 
ownership) is over a utility easement over private property, do we need to have 
some type of agreement with land owner or is this considered a Public ROW?  Its 
zoned as an easement and citys water lines run through it as well. 








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Re: [AFMUG] Utility Easement over private property

[Brian Webster]

Somewhere there should be a recorded written document that is attached to the 
property history for the parcel. Maps do not cover the written legal 
description and details. There are many types of easements. Nothing of the 
public rules for easements apply on private land. The easement should read 
similarly to a deed or right of way access document. That written document and 
the specific legal language will define the rights you may or may not have. 
Existing ROW laws and such do not apply so trying to determine that based on 
public rights of ways use will not have any legal binding over this private 
land.

 

Same disclaimer about me not being a lawyer apply.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 2:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Utility Easement over private property

 

image.png

 

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:01 PM Brian Webster  wrote:

You have to check the easement terms the utility company has over said 
property. If it is worded such that they only have it for their company and 
their specific utility use then you need your own. If it has more general 
wording that it includes communications/telephone easement as well then you 
should be ok. I am not a lawyer however and did not stay at a Holiday Inn 
Express last night.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 1:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Utility Easement over private property

 

So we have run into a situation where our aerial fiber (Put in from previous 
ownership) is over a utility easement over private property, do we need to have 
some type of agreement with land owner or is this considered a Public ROW?  Its 
zoned as an easement and citys water lines run through it as well.

 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Tim Hardy]

Just so we’re comparing apples to apples, Aviat’s values are typical.
Guaranteed values over time are 2 dB less power and 2 dB less threshold, or
4 dB less system gain.

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:05 PM Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> Just to clarify on the aviat advanced replacement, that does not come
> standard? I have access to their pricing tool and a 2 year standard
> warranty is included but it does not include advanced replacement unless
> you upgrade to that option. It's very affordable from what I saw.
>
> We are likely going to deploy 6 links of the wtm4200 this spring.
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 12:35 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, xmt power looks pretty impressive on the Aviat radios. It also
>> looks like the receive sensitivity is a couple db better than the PTP820C
>> at any given modulation.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:24 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> 25.5 dBm xmt power at 4096QAM is pretty impressive.  I remember several
>>> years ago some talk of chipsets would use some sort of predistortion
>>> technique to cancel out the distortion in the power amp, is that what is
>>> going on in these radios?  I don’t remember who the chip vendor was.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:15 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> and we found that the WTM4200 has 5.5db more system gain then the SIAE
>>> AP2 at 4096QAM which had better system gain then some of the other radios
>>> on the market.
>>>
>>> SIAE questions if Aviat is reporting correct numbers but I don't think
>>> they are incorrect either
>>>
>>> Even if Aviat's numbers are a bit exaggerated and there was only a 3db
>>> difference that's still a whole antennas size!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:12 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, as I mentioned previously the system gain of the WTM 4200 at 80 MHz
>>> bandwidth, 4096 QAM is 77.5 dBm (threshold is -52.0 dBm and tx power is
>>> 25.5 dBm).  This provides 7.5 dB more fade margin than the AF-11 at 80 MHz
>>> bandwidth, 1024 QAM (system gain 70.5 dBm, threshold -52.5 dBm and tx power
>>> is 18.0 dBm)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Based on the required signal levels listed in Aviat's spec sheets, it
>>> shouldn't be that hard to achieve 4096QAM. I don't remember what the
>>> numbers were off hand, but it was well within what I would expect on a real
>>> world link.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM?  That’s
>>> pretty impressive.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car?  It may be true, but you
>>> also may not be able to verify it from personal experience.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one
>>> more.
>>>
>>> It's the only way to go
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel.  Once.
>>> In practice.  OK, define “land”.  Walk away?  Able to skate again once the
>>> cast comes off?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as
>>> video streaming has come to dominate the Internet.  Once I thought the only
>>> number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines.
>>> But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over
>>> most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even
>>> outage.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like
>>> hitting all green lights on the way to work.  It’s nice, but you don’t bet
>>> your life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no
>>> apparent reason.  Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain.  Maybe if you have all
>>> really short links.  We are rural and don’t have that luxury.  Most of our
>>> links are 6-10 miles.  And given that our climate future seems to look like
>>> Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is
>>> more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> *Internet.**​*
>>> *​*
>>> *Phone.**​**TV.*
>>>
>>> *Andreas Wiatowski*
>>>
>>> CEO/Founder
>>>
>>> Silo
>>>
>>> *1-866-727-4138, ext 600* <1-866-727-4138,%20ext%20600>
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Utility Easement over private property

[Erich Kaiser]

[image: image.png]






On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:01 PM Brian Webster 
wrote:

> You have to check the easement terms the utility company has over said
> property. If it is worded such that they only have it for their company and
> their specific utility use then you need your own. If it has more general
> wording that it includes communications/telephone easement as well then you
> should be ok. I am not a lawyer however and did not stay at a Holiday Inn
> Express last night.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 1:49 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Utility Easement over private property
>
>
>
> So we have run into a situation where our aerial fiber (Put in from
> previous ownership) is over a utility easement over private property, do we
> need to have some type of agreement with land owner or is this considered a
> Public ROW?  Its zoned as an easement and citys water lines run through it
> as well.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Utility Easement over private property

[Bill Prince]

  
  
+1.
There are all kinds of easements, and different rules depending.


bp



On 1/15/2020 11:00 AM, Brian Webster
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
You
have to check the easement terms the utility company has
over said property. If it is worded such that they only have
it for their company and their specific utility use then you
need your own. If it has more general wording that it
includes communications/telephone easement as well then you
should be ok. I am not a lawyer however and did not stay at
a Holiday Inn Express last night.
 
Thank
you,
Brian
Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
 
From:
AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich
Kaiser
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 1:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Utility Easement over private
property
 

  So we have run into a situation where our
aerial fiber (Put in from previous ownership) is over a
utility easement over private property, do we need to have
some type of agreement with land owner or is this considered
a Public ROW?  Its zoned as an easement and citys water
lines run through it as well.
  
 
  
  

  

  

  

  
 
  
  
 
  

  

  

  

  

  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Darin Steffl]

Just to clarify on the aviat advanced replacement, that does not come
standard? I have access to their pricing tool and a 2 year standard
warranty is included but it does not include advanced replacement unless
you upgrade to that option. It's very affordable from what I saw.

We are likely going to deploy 6 links of the wtm4200 this spring.

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 12:35 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Yeah, xmt power looks pretty impressive on the Aviat radios. It also looks
> like the receive sensitivity is a couple db better than the PTP820C at any
> given modulation.
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:24 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> 25.5 dBm xmt power at 4096QAM is pretty impressive.  I remember several
>> years ago some talk of chipsets would use some sort of predistortion
>> technique to cancel out the distortion in the power amp, is that what is
>> going on in these radios?  I don’t remember who the chip vendor was.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:15 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>
>>
>>
>> and we found that the WTM4200 has 5.5db more system gain then the SIAE
>> AP2 at 4096QAM which had better system gain then some of the other radios
>> on the market.
>>
>> SIAE questions if Aviat is reporting correct numbers but I don't think
>> they are incorrect either
>>
>> Even if Aviat's numbers are a bit exaggerated and there was only a 3db
>> difference that's still a whole antennas size!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:12 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, as I mentioned previously the system gain of the WTM 4200 at 80 MHz
>> bandwidth, 4096 QAM is 77.5 dBm (threshold is -52.0 dBm and tx power is
>> 25.5 dBm).  This provides 7.5 dB more fade margin than the AF-11 at 80 MHz
>> bandwidth, 1024 QAM (system gain 70.5 dBm, threshold -52.5 dBm and tx power
>> is 18.0 dBm)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Based on the required signal levels listed in Aviat's spec sheets, it
>> shouldn't be that hard to achieve 4096QAM. I don't remember what the
>> numbers were off hand, but it was well within what I would expect on a real
>> world link.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM?  That’s
>> pretty impressive.
>>
>>
>>
>> But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car?  It may be true, but you
>> also may not be able to verify it from personal experience.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>
>>
>>
>> Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one
>> more.
>>
>> It's the only way to go
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL?
>>
>>
>>
>> I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel.  Once.
>> In practice.  OK, define “land”.  Walk away?  Able to skate again once the
>> cast comes off?
>>
>>
>>
>> But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as
>> video streaming has come to dominate the Internet.  Once I thought the only
>> number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines.
>> But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over
>> most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even
>> outage.
>>
>>
>>
>> Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like
>> hitting all green lights on the way to work.  It’s nice, but you don’t bet
>> your life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no
>> apparent reason.  Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain.  Maybe if you have all
>> really short links.  We are rural and don’t have that luxury.  Most of our
>> links are 6-10 miles.  And given that our climate future seems to look like
>> Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>
>>
>>
>> I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is
>> more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> *Internet.**​*
>> *​*
>> *Phone.**​**TV.*
>>
>> *Andreas Wiatowski*
>>
>> CEO/Founder
>>
>> Silo
>>
>> *1-866-727-4138, ext 600* <1-866-727-4138,%20ext%20600>
>>
>>  |
>>
>> *andr...@silo.ca* 
>>
>> *silo.ca* 
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Gino Villarini <
>> g...@aeronetpr.com>
>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>
>>
>>
>> [EXTERNAL]
>>
>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c 

Re: [AFMUG] Utility Easement over private property

[Brian Webster]

You have to check the easement terms the utility company has over said 
property. If it is worded such that they only have it for their company and 
their specific utility use then you need your own. If it has more general 
wording that it includes communications/telephone easement as well then you 
should be ok. I am not a lawyer however and did not stay at a Holiday Inn 
Express last night.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 1:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Utility Easement over private property

 

So we have run into a situation where our aerial fiber (Put in from previous 
ownership) is over a utility easement over private property, do we need to have 
some type of agreement with land owner or is this considered a Public ROW?  Its 
zoned as an easement and citys water lines run through it as well.

 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Utility Easement over private property

[Mike Hammett]

That's probably state-specific. 

I've been operating that since we're a CLEC and a CLEC is to be treated no 
differently than the incumbent, that we get access to all of the same public 
easements they have. 

The specific easement may (or may not) provide more information on it. 

I'm actually looking to route around a bunch of NICOR (natural gas company) 
crap right now. They take up the entire ROW on both sides of a given road (and 
have an additional private easement taking up even more space. Four pipelines 
(one is a 2", but the rest are quite a bit bigger), a vault that takes up the 
entire ROW, etc. 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




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Subject: [AFMUG] Utility Easement over private property 


So we have run into a situation where our aerial fiber (Put in from previous 
ownership) is over a utility easement over private property, do we need to have 
some type of agreement with land owner or is this considered a Public ROW? Its 
zoned as an easement and citys water lines run through it as well. 















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[AFMUG] Utility Easement over private property

[Erich Kaiser]

So we have run into a situation where our aerial fiber (Put in from
previous ownership) is over a utility easement over private property, do we
need to have some type of agreement with land owner or is this considered a
Public ROW?  Its zoned as an easement and citys water lines run through it
as well.
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Re: [AFMUG] Schematic Drawings

[dave via AF]

+1000 I still use it both on windows and my linux console
Also, there is KI-Cad for the more intuitive folks


On 1/15/20 12:29 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

Matt,

I've used
https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Apps/Dia?action=show=Dia

in the past.  Older software, but did what I needed.

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M> What is everyone using to make simple schematic drawings?  Preferably
M> free or cheap?  Basically need a simple panel wired and want to print
M> a block diagram of how everything needs wired.




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Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, xmt power looks pretty impressive on the Aviat radios. It also looks
like the receive sensitivity is a couple db better than the PTP820C at any
given modulation.

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:24 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> 25.5 dBm xmt power at 4096QAM is pretty impressive.  I remember several
> years ago some talk of chipsets would use some sort of predistortion
> technique to cancel out the distortion in the power amp, is that what is
> going on in these radios?  I don’t remember who the chip vendor was.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:15 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> and we found that the WTM4200 has 5.5db more system gain then the SIAE AP2
> at 4096QAM which had better system gain then some of the other radios on
> the market.
>
> SIAE questions if Aviat is reporting correct numbers but I don't think
> they are incorrect either
>
> Even if Aviat's numbers are a bit exaggerated and there was only a 3db
> difference that's still a whole antennas size!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:12 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>
> Yes, as I mentioned previously the system gain of the WTM 4200 at 80 MHz
> bandwidth, 4096 QAM is 77.5 dBm (threshold is -52.0 dBm and tx power is
> 25.5 dBm).  This provides 7.5 dB more fade margin than the AF-11 at 80 MHz
> bandwidth, 1024 QAM (system gain 70.5 dBm, threshold -52.5 dBm and tx power
> is 18.0 dBm)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>
>
> Based on the required signal levels listed in Aviat's spec sheets, it
> shouldn't be that hard to achieve 4096QAM. I don't remember what the
> numbers were off hand, but it was well within what I would expect on a real
> world link.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM?  That’s
> pretty impressive.
>
>
>
> But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car?  It may be true, but you also
> may not be able to verify it from personal experience.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one
> more.
>
> It's the only way to go
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL?
>
>
>
> I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel.  Once.  In
> practice.  OK, define “land”.  Walk away?  Able to skate again once the
> cast comes off?
>
>
>
> But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as
> video streaming has come to dominate the Internet.  Once I thought the only
> number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines.
> But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over
> most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even
> outage.
>
>
>
> Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like hitting
> all green lights on the way to work.  It’s nice, but you don’t bet your
> life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no
> apparent reason.  Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain.  Maybe if you have all
> really short links.  We are rural and don’t have that luxury.  Most of our
> links are 6-10 miles.  And given that our climate future seems to look like
> Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is
> more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM.
>
>
>
> 
>
> *Internet.**​*
> *​*
> *Phone.**​**TV.*
>
> *Andreas Wiatowski*
>
> CEO/Founder
>
> Silo
>
> *1-866-727-4138, ext 600* <1-866-727-4138,%20ext%20600>
>
>  |
>
> *andr...@silo.ca* 
>
> *silo.ca* 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Gino Villarini <
> g...@aeronetpr.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> [EXTERNAL]
>
> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and
> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
> er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell
> that goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be an
> option with two radios but probably would do it with two 

Re: [AFMUG] Schematic Drawings

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Matt,

I've used
https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Apps/Dia?action=show=Dia

in the past.  Older software, but did what I needed.

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Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com

--

Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 12:11:24 PM, you wrote:

M> What is everyone using to make simple schematic drawings?  Preferably
M> free or cheap?  Basically need a simple panel wired and want to print
M> a block diagram of how everything needs wired.


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[AFMUG] Steel Snap on Raceway like what Cable uses in MDUs

[Carl Peterson]

I'm looking for a snap on raceway like what cable companies use. i.e clips
on the wall that drps get zip tied to then the metal cover (kind of
trapezoidal in shape) clips over it.  Who makes that or something like
that?

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*PORT NETWORKS*

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Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707
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Re: [AFMUG] Schematic Drawings

[Sterling Jacobson]

Same question, need for DC plan/cabinet diagraming at the moment.

I think I’m just going to bite the bullet and add Visio Pro to my monthly 
Microsoft account.
I am most familiar with Visio.

I think that’s around $15 a month to add that and have access/download the 
desktop software.
Otherwise it’s around $5 a month for web based tools.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 10:32 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Schematic Drawings

We use and like Lucid Charts.  Not sure about free/cheap but I seem to remember 
a low cost version.  We use it for tons of stuff so we pay for a number of 
licenses.

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 11:12 AM Matt 
mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
What is everyone using to make simple schematic drawings?  Preferably
free or cheap?  Basically need a simple panel wired and want to print
a block diagram of how everything needs wired.

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Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Ken Hohhof]

25.5 dBm xmt power at 4096QAM is pretty impressive.  I remember several years 
ago some talk of chipsets would use some sort of predistortion technique to 
cancel out the distortion in the power amp, is that what is going on in these 
radios?  I don’t remember who the chip vendor was.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adair Winter
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

 

and we found that the WTM4200 has 5.5db more system gain then the SIAE AP2 at 
4096QAM which had better system gain then some of the other radios on the 
market.

SIAE questions if Aviat is reporting correct numbers but I don't think they are 
incorrect either

Even if Aviat's numbers are a bit exaggerated and there was only a 3db 
difference that's still a whole antennas size!

 

 

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:12 PM Tim Hardy mailto:thardy...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yes, as I mentioned previously the system gain of the WTM 4200 at 80 MHz 
bandwidth, 4096 QAM is 77.5 dBm (threshold is -52.0 dBm and tx power is 25.5 
dBm).  This provides 7.5 dB more fade margin than the AF-11 at 80 MHz 
bandwidth, 1024 QAM (system gain 70.5 dBm, threshold -52.5 dBm and tx power is 
18.0 dBm)

 





On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Based on the required signal levels listed in Aviat's spec sheets, it shouldn't 
be that hard to achieve 4096QAM. I don't remember what the numbers were off 
hand, but it was well within what I would expect on a real world link.

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM?  That’s pretty 
impressive.

 

But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car?  It may be true, but you also may 
not be able to verify it from personal experience.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Adair Winter
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

 

Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one more.

It's the only way to go

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL?

 

I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel.  Once.  In 
practice.  OK, define “land”.  Walk away?  Able to skate again once the cast 
comes off?

 

But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as video 
streaming has come to dominate the Internet.  Once I thought the only number 
that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines.  But customers 
stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over most-of-the-time speed than 
over the occasional drop in capacity or even outage.

 

Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like hitting all 
green lights on the way to work.  It’s nice, but you don’t bet your life on it, 
or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no apparent reason.  Or 
256 or 512 during heavy rain.  Maybe if you have all really short links.  We 
are rural and don’t have that luxury.  Most of our links are 6-10 miles.  And 
given that our climate future seems to look like Waterworld, rain cannot be 
ignored.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Andreas Wiatowski
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

 

I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is more of 
a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM.

 









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​Phone.
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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

 

[EXTERNAL] 

Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and Aviat 
radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Erich Kaiser mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

 

No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell that 
goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be an option with 
two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a combiner. 

 




Erich Kaiser

North Central Tower

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Adair Winter]

and we found that the WTM4200 has 5.5db more system gain then the SIAE AP2
at 4096QAM which had better system gain then some of the other radios on
the market.
SIAE questions if Aviat is reporting correct numbers but I don't think they
are incorrect either
Even if Aviat's numbers are a bit exaggerated and there was only a 3db
difference that's still a whole antennas size!



On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:12 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:

> Yes, as I mentioned previously the system gain of the WTM 4200 at 80 MHz
> bandwidth, 4096 QAM is 77.5 dBm (threshold is -52.0 dBm and tx power is
> 25.5 dBm).  This provides 7.5 dB more fade margin than the AF-11 at 80 MHz
> bandwidth, 1024 QAM (system gain 70.5 dBm, threshold -52.5 dBm and tx power
> is 18.0 dBm)
>
>
> On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> Based on the required signal levels listed in Aviat's spec sheets, it
> shouldn't be that hard to achieve 4096QAM. I don't remember what the
> numbers were off hand, but it was well within what I would expect on a real
> world link.
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM?  That’s
>> pretty impressive.
>>
>>
>>
>> But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car?  It may be true, but you
>> also may not be able to verify it from personal experience.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>
>>
>>
>> Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one
>> more.
>>
>> It's the only way to go
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL?
>>
>>
>>
>> I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel.  Once.
>> In practice.  OK, define “land”.  Walk away?  Able to skate again once the
>> cast comes off?
>>
>>
>>
>> But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as
>> video streaming has come to dominate the Internet.  Once I thought the only
>> number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines.
>> But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over
>> most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even
>> outage.
>>
>>
>>
>> Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like
>> hitting all green lights on the way to work.  It’s nice, but you don’t bet
>> your life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no
>> apparent reason.  Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain.  Maybe if you have all
>> really short links.  We are rural and don’t have that luxury.  Most of our
>> links are 6-10 miles.  And given that our climate future seems to look like
>> Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>
>>
>>
>> I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is
>> more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> *Internet.**​*
>> *​*
>> *Phone.**​**TV.*
>>
>> *Andreas Wiatowski*
>>
>> CEO/Founder
>>
>> Silo
>>
>> *1-866-727-4138, ext 600* <1-866-727-4138,%20ext%20600>
>>
>>  |
>>
>> *andr...@silo.ca* 
>>
>> *silo.ca* 
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Gino Villarini <
>> g...@aeronetpr.com>
>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>
>>
>>
>> [EXTERNAL]
>>
>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and
>> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
>> er...@northcentraltower.com>
>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>
>>
>>
>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell
>> that goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be an
>> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a
>> combiner.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>>
>> North Central Tower
>>
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>
>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino** Villarini *
>> Founder/President
>> @gvillarini
>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>> m:
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>>   
>>
>>   
>>
>>   
>>
>>   
>>
>>   

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Tim Hardy]

Yes, as I mentioned previously the system gain of the WTM 4200 at 80 MHz 
bandwidth, 4096 QAM is 77.5 dBm (threshold is -52.0 dBm and tx power is 25.5 
dBm).  This provides 7.5 dB more fade margin than the AF-11 at 80 MHz 
bandwidth, 1024 QAM (system gain 70.5 dBm, threshold -52.5 dBm and tx power is 
18.0 dBm)


> On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> Based on the required signal levels listed in Aviat's spec sheets, it 
> shouldn't be that hard to achieve 4096QAM. I don't remember what the numbers 
> were off hand, but it was well within what I would expect on a real world 
> link.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof  > wrote:
> Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM?  That’s pretty 
> impressive.
> 
>  
> 
> But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car?  It may be true, but you also 
> may not be able to verify it from personal experience.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Adair Winter
> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
> 
>  
> 
> Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one more.
> 
> It's the only way to go
> 
>  
> 
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof  > wrote:
> 
> You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL?
> 
>  
> 
> I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel.  Once.  In 
> practice.  OK, define “land”.  Walk away?  Able to skate again once the cast 
> comes off?
> 
>  
> 
> But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as 
> video streaming has come to dominate the Internet.  Once I thought the only 
> number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines.  But 
> customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over most-of-the-time 
> speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even outage.
> 
>  
> 
> Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like hitting 
> all green lights on the way to work.  It’s nice, but you don’t bet your life 
> on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no apparent 
> reason.  Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain.  Maybe if you have all really short 
> links.  We are rural and don’t have that luxury.  Most of our links are 6-10 
> miles.  And given that our climate future seems to look like Waterworld, rain 
> cannot be ignored.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Andreas Wiatowski
> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
> 
>  
> 
> I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is more 
> of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Internet.​
> ​Phone.
> ​TV.
> 
> Andreas Wiatowski
> 
> CEO/Founder
> 
> Silo
> 
> 1-866-727-4138, ext 600  
>  | 
> 
> andr...@silo.ca 
> silo.ca 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf 
> of Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>
> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
> 
>  
> 
> [EXTERNAL]
> 
> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and Aviat 
> radios that do this are single core… so less $$$
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf 
> of Erich Kaiser  >
> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
> 
>  
> 
> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell that 
> goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be an option 
> with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a combiner.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Erich Kaiser
> 
> North Central Tower
> 
> er...@northcentraltower.com 
> Office: 815-570-3101
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini  > wrote:
> 
> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?
> 
>  
> 
> Gino Villarini 
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
> m:
> 
>    
>    
>    
>    
>    
>    
>    
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 
> 
> From: AF  on 

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Ken Hohhof]

That’s what I thought the OP was saying, 4 x 80 MHz channels on a dual core 
radio, capacity probably 2.5+ Gbps full duplex.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

 

Yeah, if I'm understanding correctly, ACCP on the 820C is just running both 
cores on the same polarity. What Aviat and Bridgewave are doing is a bit 
different... they can do 2 80mhz channels per core, so a single dual core radio 
can do a total of 4 80mhz channels, and a single core radio can do 2 (but they 
would need to both be adjacent channels in the same polarity).

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and Aviat 
radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Erich Kaiser mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

 

No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell that 
goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be an option with 
two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a combiner. 

 




Erich Kaiser

North Central Tower

er...@northcentraltower.com  

Office: 815-570-3101

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? 

 

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
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  From: AF  on behalf of 
Erich Kaiser 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

   

  PTP820C does this its called ACCP. 

   

  


  Erich Kaiser

  North Central Tower

  er...@northcentraltower.com

  Office: 815-570-3101

   

   

   

   

  On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband 
 wrote:

  Hi

   

  The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more 
than 2x80 channels on one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to 
be adjacent.

   

  Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today 
(no vaporware).And do any have non-adjacent channels?

   

  Thanks

   

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Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Ken Hohhof]

I know these aren’t WiFi radios.  I wasn’t born yesterday, and this isn’t my 
first rodeo licensed link.

 

The “why you have such a hard time believing” is quite simple.  I’ve seen links 
not run at the full modulation the radios are capable of.  Sometimes full 
modulation one direction and less in the other.

 

SNR requirements at > 1024QAM are pretty high, plus xmt power usually needs to 
be reduced at the highest modulation levels.  Not just thermal noise but 
atmospheric effects, interference, less than perfect XPIC rejection, etc. can 
make it tough to get the SNR required.

 

I’m not doubting the radios are 4096QAM capable, but being able to consistently 
achieve that modulation in the field is IMHO pretty impressive.  When you said 
you have three 4096QAM links running, it wasn’t 100% clear whether you meant 
links with 4096QAM radios, or links achieving that modulation.

 

I guess it’s like the Farmer’s Insurance commercials.  We know a thing or two, 
because we’ve seen a thing or two.  You don’t always get the spec sheet numbers 
in real life.  That doesn’t mean the vendor is lying, in fact licensed radios 
pretty much deliver what they advertise (although you have to watch out for 
aggregate vs full duplex capacity numbers).  It’s more that field results 
aren’t always the same as lab results.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adair Winter
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 10:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

 

I'm not sure why you have such a hard time believing that 4096 QAM is a thing 
that works. And yes, All of our links that are capable of it are indeed holding 
that QAM rate.

Our links are 4-7 miles. It's not magic, design the link high RSL for the 
distance and they will do exactly what they are supposed to do. These aren't 
wifi radios..

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM?  That’s pretty 
impressive.

 

But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car?  It may be true, but you also may 
not be able to verify it from personal experience.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Adair Winter
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

 

Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one more.

It's the only way to go

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL?

 

I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel.  Once.  In 
practice.  OK, define “land”.  Walk away?  Able to skate again once the cast 
comes off?

 

But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as video 
streaming has come to dominate the Internet.  Once I thought the only number 
that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines.  But customers 
stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over most-of-the-time speed than 
over the occasional drop in capacity or even outage.

 

Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like hitting all 
green lights on the way to work.  It’s nice, but you don’t bet your life on it, 
or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no apparent reason.  Or 
256 or 512 during heavy rain.  Maybe if you have all really short links.  We 
are rural and don’t have that luxury.  Most of our links are 6-10 miles.  And 
given that our climate future seems to look like Waterworld, rain cannot be 
ignored.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Andreas Wiatowski
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

 

I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is more of 
a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM.

 









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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

 

[EXTERNAL] 

Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and Aviat 
radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Erich Kaiser mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

 

No you 

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Mathew Howard]

Based on the required signal levels listed in Aviat's spec sheets, it
shouldn't be that hard to achieve 4096QAM. I don't remember what the
numbers were off hand, but it was well within what I would expect on a real
world link.

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM?  That’s
> pretty impressive.
>
>
>
> But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car?  It may be true, but you also
> may not be able to verify it from personal experience.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one
> more.
>
> It's the only way to go
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL?
>
>
>
> I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel.  Once.  In
> practice.  OK, define “land”.  Walk away?  Able to skate again once the
> cast comes off?
>
>
>
> But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as
> video streaming has come to dominate the Internet.  Once I thought the only
> number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines.
> But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over
> most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even
> outage.
>
>
>
> Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like hitting
> all green lights on the way to work.  It’s nice, but you don’t bet your
> life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no
> apparent reason.  Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain.  Maybe if you have all
> really short links.  We are rural and don’t have that luxury.  Most of our
> links are 6-10 miles.  And given that our climate future seems to look like
> Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is
> more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM.
>
>
>
> *Internet.**​*
> *​*
> *Phone.**​**TV.*
>
> *Andreas Wiatowski*
>
> CEO/Founder
>
> Silo
>
> *1-866-727-4138, ext 600* <1-866-727-4138,%20ext%20600>
>
>  |
>
> *andr...@silo.ca* 
>
> *silo.ca* 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Gino Villarini <
> g...@aeronetpr.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> [EXTERNAL]
>
> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and
> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
> er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell
> that goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be an
> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a
> combiner.
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?
>
>
>
> *Gino** Villarini *
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
> m:
>
> 
>
> 
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> *www.aeronetpr.com* | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser
> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AMTo: AnimalFarm
> Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
> *
>
>   
>
> PTP820C does this its called ACCP. 
>
>   
>
>
> 
>
> Erich Kaiser 
>
> North Central Tower 
>
> *er...@northcentraltower.com* 
>
> Office: 815-570-3101 
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband <*li...@sbb.net*> wrote:
> 
>
> Hi 

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, if I'm understanding correctly, ACCP on the 820C is just running both
cores on the same polarity. What Aviat and Bridgewave are doing is a bit
different... they can do 2 80mhz channels per core, so a single dual core
radio can do a total of 4 80mhz channels, and a single core radio can do 2
(but they would need to both be adjacent channels in the same polarity).

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and
> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
> er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell
> that goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be an
> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a
> combiner.
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?
>
>
>
> *Gino** Villarini *
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
> m:
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo] 
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. inc500]
> 
>
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>
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> 
>
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
> er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> PTP820C does this its called ACCP.
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one
> dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent.
>
>
>
> Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And
> do any have non-adjacent channels?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Adair Winter]

I'm not sure why you have such a hard time believing that 4096 QAM is a
thing that works. And yes, All of our links that are capable of it are
indeed holding that QAM rate.
Our links are 4-7 miles. It's not magic, design the link high RSL for the
distance and they will do exactly what they are supposed to do. These
aren't wifi radios..

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM?  That’s
> pretty impressive.
>
>
>
> But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car?  It may be true, but you also
> may not be able to verify it from personal experience.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one
> more.
>
> It's the only way to go
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL?
>
>
>
> I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel.  Once.  In
> practice.  OK, define “land”.  Walk away?  Able to skate again once the
> cast comes off?
>
>
>
> But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as
> video streaming has come to dominate the Internet.  Once I thought the only
> number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines.
> But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over
> most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even
> outage.
>
>
>
> Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like hitting
> all green lights on the way to work.  It’s nice, but you don’t bet your
> life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no
> apparent reason.  Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain.  Maybe if you have all
> really short links.  We are rural and don’t have that luxury.  Most of our
> links are 6-10 miles.  And given that our climate future seems to look like
> Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is
> more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM.
>
>
>
> *Internet.**​*
> *​*
> *Phone.**​**TV.*
>
> *Andreas Wiatowski*
>
> CEO/Founder
>
> Silo
>
> *1-866-727-4138, ext 600* <1-866-727-4138,%20ext%20600>
>
>  |
>
> *andr...@silo.ca* 
>
> *silo.ca* 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Gino Villarini <
> g...@aeronetpr.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> [EXTERNAL]
>
> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and
> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
> er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell
> that goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be an
> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a
> combiner.
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?
>
>
>
> *Gino** Villarini *
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
> m:
>
> 
>
> 
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> *www.aeronetpr.com* | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser
> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AMTo: AnimalFarm
> Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
> *
>
>   
>
> PTP820C does this its called ACCP. 
>
>   
>
>
> 
>
> Erich Kaiser 
>
> North Central Tower 
>
> *er...@northcentraltower.com* 
>
> Office: 815-570-3101 
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> On Tue, Jan 

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Jason McKemie]

I believe the Navigator is around the same price. They both claim to do
double the throughput with stacked subcarriers / A2C. I do like the single
unit sparing on the Bridgewave.

On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, Adair Winter 
wrote:

> Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over $11k. Does 1.4Gb and
> has an SFP+ interface. it's my new fave radio
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser 
> wrote:
>
>> HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link?
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and
>>> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell
>>> that goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be an
>>> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a
>>> combiner.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>
>>> North Central Tower
>>>
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>
>>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino** Villarini *
>>> Founder/President
>>> @gvillarini
>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>>> m:
>>>
>>> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo]
>>> 
>>>
>>> [image: Image removed by sender. inc500]
>>> 
>>>
>>> [image: Image removed by sender. fb-logo]
>>> 
>>>
>>> [image: Image removed by sender. insta-logo]
>>> 
>>>
>>> [image: Image removed by sender. in-logo]
>>> 
>>>
>>> [image: Image removed by sender. tw-logo]
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Image removed by sender. yt-logo]
>>> 
>>>
>>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>>>
>>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM
>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PTP820C does this its called ACCP.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>
>>> North Central Tower
>>>
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>
>>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on
>>> one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).
>>> And do any have non-adjacent channels?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Joe Novak]

  AlfoPlus2 11ghz, 4096QAM @ 23 dBM output power, w/ 3 foot dishes, holding
4096QAM at about 10 miles without issues.

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:54 AM Erich Kaiser 
wrote:

> Distance?
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:47 AM Adair Winter 
> wrote:
>
>> Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one
>> more.
>> It's the only way to go
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel.  Once.
>>> In practice.  OK, define “land”.  Walk away?  Able to skate again once the
>>> cast comes off?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as
>>> video streaming has come to dominate the Internet.  Once I thought the only
>>> number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines.
>>> But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over
>>> most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even
>>> outage.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like
>>> hitting all green lights on the way to work.  It’s nice, but you don’t bet
>>> your life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no
>>> apparent reason.  Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain.  Maybe if you have all
>>> really short links.  We are rural and don’t have that luxury.  Most of our
>>> links are 6-10 miles.  And given that our climate future seems to look like
>>> Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is
>>> more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Internet.**​*
>>> *​*
>>> *Phone.**​**TV.*
>>>
>>> *Andreas Wiatowski*
>>>
>>> CEO/Founder
>>>
>>> Silo
>>>
>>> *1-866-727-4138, ext 600* <1-866-727-4138,%20ext%20600>
>>>
>>>  |
>>>
>>> *andr...@silo.ca* 
>>>
>>> *silo.ca* 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Gino Villarini <
>>> g...@aeronetpr.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM
>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [EXTERNAL]
>>>
>>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and
>>> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell
>>> that goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be an
>>> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a
>>> combiner.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>
>>> North Central Tower
>>>
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>
>>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino** Villarini *
>>> Founder/President
>>> @gvillarini
>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>>> m:
>>>
>>> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo]
>>> 
>>>
>>> [image: Image removed by sender. inc500]
>>> 
>>>
>>> [image: Image removed by sender. fb-logo]
>>> 
>>>
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>>> 
>>>
>>> [image: Image removed by sender. in-logo]
>>> 
>>>
>>> [image: Image removed by sender. tw-logo]
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Image removed by sender. yt-logo]
>>> 
>>>
>>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>>>
>>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM
>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PTP820C does this its called ACCP.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>
>>> North Central Tower
>>>
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>
>>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Ken Hohhof]

Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM?  That’s pretty 
impressive.

 

But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car?  It may be true, but you also may 
not be able to verify it from personal experience.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adair Winter
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

 

Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one more.

It's the only way to go

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL?

 

I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel.  Once.  In 
practice.  OK, define “land”.  Walk away?  Able to skate again once the cast 
comes off?

 

But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as video 
streaming has come to dominate the Internet.  Once I thought the only number 
that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines.  But customers 
stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over most-of-the-time speed than 
over the occasional drop in capacity or even outage.

 

Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like hitting all 
green lights on the way to work.  It’s nice, but you don’t bet your life on it, 
or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no apparent reason.  Or 
256 or 512 during heavy rain.  Maybe if you have all really short links.  We 
are rural and don’t have that luxury.  Most of our links are 6-10 miles.  And 
given that our climate future seems to look like Waterworld, rain cannot be 
ignored.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Andreas Wiatowski
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

 

I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is more of 
a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM.

 









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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

 

[EXTERNAL] 

Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and Aviat 
radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Erich Kaiser mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

 

No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell that 
goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be an option with 
two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a combiner. 

 




Erich Kaiser

North Central Tower

er...@northcentraltower.com  

Office: 815-570-3101

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? 

 

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
m: 


  

  

   

   

   

   

   



  www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 
304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 

  From: AF  on behalf of 
Erich Kaiser 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

   

  PTP820C does this its called ACCP. 

   

  


  Erich Kaiser

  North Central Tower

  er...@northcentraltower.com

  Office: 815-570-3101

   

   

   

   

  On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband 
 wrote:

  Hi

   

  The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more 
than 2x80 channels on one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to 
be adjacent.

 

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Erich Kaiser]

Distance?

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101





On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:47 AM Adair Winter 
wrote:

> Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one
> more.
> It's the only way to go
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL?
>>
>>
>>
>> I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel.  Once.
>> In practice.  OK, define “land”.  Walk away?  Able to skate again once the
>> cast comes off?
>>
>>
>>
>> But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as
>> video streaming has come to dominate the Internet.  Once I thought the only
>> number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines.
>> But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over
>> most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even
>> outage.
>>
>>
>>
>> Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like
>> hitting all green lights on the way to work.  It’s nice, but you don’t bet
>> your life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no
>> apparent reason.  Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain.  Maybe if you have all
>> really short links.  We are rural and don’t have that luxury.  Most of our
>> links are 6-10 miles.  And given that our climate future seems to look like
>> Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>
>>
>>
>> I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is
>> more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Internet.**​*
>> *​*
>> *Phone.**​**TV.*
>>
>> *Andreas Wiatowski*
>>
>> CEO/Founder
>>
>> Silo
>>
>> *1-866-727-4138, ext 600* <1-866-727-4138,%20ext%20600>
>>
>>  |
>>
>> *andr...@silo.ca* 
>>
>> *silo.ca* 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Gino Villarini <
>> g...@aeronetpr.com>
>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>
>>
>>
>> [EXTERNAL]
>>
>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and
>> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
>> er...@northcentraltower.com>
>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>
>>
>>
>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell
>> that goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be an
>> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a
>> combiner.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>>
>> North Central Tower
>>
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>
>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino** Villarini *
>> Founder/President
>> @gvillarini
>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>> m:
>>
>> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo]
>> 
>>
>> [image: Image removed by sender. inc500]
>> 
>>
>> [image: Image removed by sender. fb-logo]
>> 
>>
>> [image: Image removed by sender. insta-logo]
>> 
>>
>> [image: Image removed by sender. in-logo]
>> 
>>
>> [image: Image removed by sender. tw-logo]
>> 
>>
>>
>> [image: Image removed by sender. yt-logo]
>> 
>>
>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>>
>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
>> er...@northcentraltower.com>
>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>
>>
>>
>> PTP820C does this its called ACCP.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>>
>> North Central Tower
>>
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>
>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>>
>>
>> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on
>> one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And
>> do any have non-adjacent channels?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> --
>> AF mailing list

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Adair Winter]

Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one
more.
It's the only way to go

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL?
>
>
>
> I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel.  Once.  In
> practice.  OK, define “land”.  Walk away?  Able to skate again once the
> cast comes off?
>
>
>
> But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as
> video streaming has come to dominate the Internet.  Once I thought the only
> number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines.
> But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over
> most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even
> outage.
>
>
>
> Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like hitting
> all green lights on the way to work.  It’s nice, but you don’t bet your
> life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no
> apparent reason.  Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain.  Maybe if you have all
> really short links.  We are rural and don’t have that luxury.  Most of our
> links are 6-10 miles.  And given that our climate future seems to look like
> Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is
> more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM.
>
>
>
> *Internet.**​*
> *​*
> *Phone.**​**TV.*
>
> *Andreas Wiatowski*
>
> CEO/Founder
>
> Silo
>
> *1-866-727-4138, ext 600* <1-866-727-4138,%20ext%20600>
>
>  |
>
> *andr...@silo.ca* 
>
> *silo.ca* 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Gino Villarini <
> g...@aeronetpr.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> [EXTERNAL]
>
> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and
> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
> er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell
> that goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be an
> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a
> combiner.
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?
>
>
>
> *Gino** Villarini *
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
> m:
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo] 
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. inc500]
> 
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. fb-logo]
> 
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. insta-logo]
> 
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. in-logo]
> 
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. tw-logo]
> 
>
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. yt-logo]
> 
>
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
> er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> PTP820C does this its called ACCP.
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one
> dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent.
>
>
>
> Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And
> do any have non-adjacent channels?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
> --
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> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>


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VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Ken Hohhof]

You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL?

 

I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel.  Once.  In 
practice.  OK, define “land”.  Walk away?  Able to skate again once the cast 
comes off?

 

But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as video 
streaming has come to dominate the Internet.  Once I thought the only number 
that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines.  But customers 
stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over most-of-the-time speed than 
over the occasional drop in capacity or even outage.

 

Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like hitting all 
green lights on the way to work.  It’s nice, but you don’t bet your life on it, 
or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no apparent reason.  Or 
256 or 512 during heavy rain.  Maybe if you have all really short links.  We 
are rural and don’t have that luxury.  Most of our links are 6-10 miles.  And 
given that our climate future seems to look like Waterworld, rain cannot be 
ignored.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

 

I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is more of 
a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM.

 









Internet.​
​Phone.
​TV.




Andreas Wiatowski



CEO/Founder



Silo




  1-866-727-4138, ext 600


 | 

  andr...@silo.ca




  silo.ca






  




 




 



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

 

[EXTERNAL] 

Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and Aviat 
radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Erich Kaiser mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

 

No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell that 
goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be an option with 
two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a combiner. 

 




Erich Kaiser

North Central Tower

er...@northcentraltower.com  

Office: 815-570-3101

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? 

 

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
m: 


  

  

   

   

   

 

  

   



  www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 
Guaynabo, PR 00968 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Erich Kaiser mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

 

PTP820C does this its called ACCP. 

 




Erich Kaiser

North Central Tower

er...@northcentraltower.com  

Office: 815-570-3101

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

Hi

 

The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one dual 
core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent.

 

Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And do 
any have non-adjacent channels?

 

Thanks

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Adair Winter]

it's under the 4000 series
https://aviatnetworks.com/products/all-outdoor-radio/wtm-4000-outdoor-ip-sdn-radio/


On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:07 AM Erich Kaiser 
wrote:

> Is the 4200 on their website?
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:06 AM Adair Winter 
> wrote:
>
>> SIAE was our radio of choice after a really bad experience with cambium.
>> Both cambium and siae not having SFP+ ports has really hurt us and we won't
>> buy any more radios that don't have them.
>> SIAE is supposed to an AP2 that does have an SFP+ interface but I haven't
>> seen it yet.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:03 AM Erich Kaiser 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Will give it a look.  Sounds very reasonable.
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>> North Central Tower
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:00 AM Adair Winter <
>>> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>>>
 That's correct. 2 year advanced replacement.  I think aviat is working
 really hard to get in to the wisp market with a wisp focused radio
 platform.
 while everyone else, is still just doing what they have always done. I
 like being able to jump on their website and just buy a link from aviat
 store.

 On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:57 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> And that $11k includes pretty much everything you need, including
> advanced replacement warranty, SFP's, etc.
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:54 AM Adair Winter <
> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>
>> Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over $11k. Does
>> 1.4Gb and has an SFP+ interface. it's my new fave radio
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser <
>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>
>>> HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link?
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>> North Central Tower
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave
 and Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$



 *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
 er...@northcentraltower.com>
 *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
 *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios



 No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they
 sell that goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels 
 could be
 an option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S 
 and a
 combiner.




 Erich Kaiser

 North Central Tower

 er...@northcentraltower.com

 Office: 815-570-3101









 On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini <
 g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

 Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?



 *Gino** Villarini *
 Founder/President
 @gvillarini
 t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
 m:

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 00968

 *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
 er...@northcentraltower.com>
 *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM
 *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios



 PTP820C does this its called ACCP.




 Erich Kaiser

 North Central Tower

 er...@northcentraltower.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Erich Kaiser]

Is the 4200 on their website?

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101





On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:06 AM Adair Winter 
wrote:

> SIAE was our radio of choice after a really bad experience with cambium.
> Both cambium and siae not having SFP+ ports has really hurt us and we won't
> buy any more radios that don't have them.
> SIAE is supposed to an AP2 that does have an SFP+ interface but I haven't
> seen it yet.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:03 AM Erich Kaiser 
> wrote:
>
>> Will give it a look.  Sounds very reasonable.
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:00 AM Adair Winter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's correct. 2 year advanced replacement.  I think aviat is working
>>> really hard to get in to the wisp market with a wisp focused radio
>>> platform.
>>> while everyone else, is still just doing what they have always done. I
>>> like being able to jump on their website and just buy a link from aviat
>>> store.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:57 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>
 And that $11k includes pretty much everything you need, including
 advanced replacement warranty, SFP's, etc.

 On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:54 AM Adair Winter <
 ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:

> Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over $11k. Does 1.4Gb
> and has an SFP+ interface. it's my new fave radio
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser <
> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>
>> HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link?
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave
>>> and Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they
>>> sell that goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could 
>>> be
>>> an option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and 
>>> a
>>> combiner.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>
>>> North Central Tower
>>>
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>
>>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino** Villarini *
>>> Founder/President
>>> @gvillarini
>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>>> m:
>>>
>>> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo]
>>> 
>>>
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>>> 
>>>
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>>> 
>>>
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>>> 
>>>
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>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Image removed by sender. yt-logo]
>>> 
>>>
>>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR
>>> 00968
>>>
>>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM
>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PTP820C does this its called ACCP.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>
>>> North Central Tower
>>>
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>
>>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels
>>> on one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do 

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Adair Winter]

SIAE was our radio of choice after a really bad experience with cambium.
Both cambium and siae not having SFP+ ports has really hurt us and we won't
buy any more radios that don't have them.
SIAE is supposed to an AP2 that does have an SFP+ interface but I haven't
seen it yet.


On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:03 AM Erich Kaiser 
wrote:

> Will give it a look.  Sounds very reasonable.
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:00 AM Adair Winter 
> wrote:
>
>> That's correct. 2 year advanced replacement.  I think aviat is working
>> really hard to get in to the wisp market with a wisp focused radio
>> platform.
>> while everyone else, is still just doing what they have always done. I
>> like being able to jump on their website and just buy a link from aviat
>> store.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:57 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> And that $11k includes pretty much everything you need, including
>>> advanced replacement warranty, SFP's, etc.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:54 AM Adair Winter <
>>> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>>>
 Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over $11k. Does 1.4Gb
 and has an SFP+ interface. it's my new fave radio

 On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser <
 er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:

> HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link?
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave
>> and Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
>> er...@northcentraltower.com>
>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>
>>
>>
>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they
>> sell that goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could 
>> be
>> an option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a
>> combiner.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>>
>> North Central Tower
>>
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>
>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino** Villarini *
>> Founder/President
>> @gvillarini
>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>> m:
>>
>> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo]
>> 
>>
>> [image: Image removed by sender. inc500]
>> 
>>
>> [image: Image removed by sender. fb-logo]
>> 
>>
>> [image: Image removed by sender. insta-logo]
>> 
>>
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>> 
>>
>> [image: Image removed by sender. tw-logo]
>> 
>>
>>
>> [image: Image removed by sender. yt-logo]
>> 
>>
>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR
>> 00968
>>
>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
>> er...@northcentraltower.com>
>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>
>>
>>
>> PTP820C does this its called ACCP.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>>
>> North Central Tower
>>
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>
>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>>
>>
>> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels
>> on one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).
>> And do any have non-adjacent channels?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Erich Kaiser]

Will give it a look.  Sounds very reasonable.

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101





On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:00 AM Adair Winter 
wrote:

> That's correct. 2 year advanced replacement.  I think aviat is working
> really hard to get in to the wisp market with a wisp focused radio
> platform.
> while everyone else, is still just doing what they have always done. I
> like being able to jump on their website and just buy a link from aviat
> store.
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:57 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> And that $11k includes pretty much everything you need, including
>> advanced replacement warranty, SFP's, etc.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:54 AM Adair Winter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over $11k. Does 1.4Gb
>>> and has an SFP+ interface. it's my new fave radio
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser <
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>
 HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link?


 Erich Kaiser
 North Central Tower
 er...@northcentraltower.com
 Office: 815-570-3101





 On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini 
 wrote:

> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave
> and Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
> er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they
> sell that goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be
> an option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a
> combiner.
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?
>
>
>
> *Gino** Villarini *
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
> m:
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo]
> 
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. inc500]
> 
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. fb-logo]
> 
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. insta-logo]
> 
>
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> 
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. tw-logo]
> 
>
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. yt-logo]
> 
>
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
> er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> PTP820C does this its called ACCP.
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband 
> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on
> one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent.
>
>
>
> Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).
> And do any have non-adjacent channels?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
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>>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
>>> C: 806.231.7180
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Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Adair Winter]

That's correct. 2 year advanced replacement.  I think aviat is working
really hard to get in to the wisp market with a wisp focused radio
platform.
while everyone else, is still just doing what they have always done. I like
being able to jump on their website and just buy a link from aviat store.

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:57 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> And that $11k includes pretty much everything you need, including advanced
> replacement warranty, SFP's, etc.
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:54 AM Adair Winter 
> wrote:
>
>> Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over $11k. Does 1.4Gb
>> and has an SFP+ interface. it's my new fave radio
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link?
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>> North Central Tower
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and
 Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$



 *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
 er...@northcentraltower.com>
 *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
 *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios



 No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell
 that goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be an
 option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a
 combiner.




 Erich Kaiser

 North Central Tower

 er...@northcentraltower.com

 Office: 815-570-3101









 On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini 
 wrote:

 Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?



 *Gino** Villarini *
 Founder/President
 @gvillarini
 t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
 m:

 [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo]
 

 [image: Image removed by sender. inc500]
 

 [image: Image removed by sender. fb-logo]
 

 [image: Image removed by sender. insta-logo]
 

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 [image: Image removed by sender. tw-logo]
 


 [image: Image removed by sender. yt-logo]
 

 www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968

 *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
 er...@northcentraltower.com>
 *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM
 *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios



 PTP820C does this its called ACCP.




 Erich Kaiser

 North Central Tower

 er...@northcentraltower.com

 Office: 815-570-3101









 On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

 Hi



 The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on
 one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent.



 Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).
 And do any have non-adjacent channels?



 Thanks



 Adam

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>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
>> C: 806.231.7180
>> http://www.amarillowireless.net
>> 
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Josh Baird]

And that $11k includes pretty much everything you need, including advanced
replacement warranty, SFP's, etc.

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:54 AM Adair Winter 
wrote:

> Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over $11k. Does 1.4Gb and
> has an SFP+ interface. it's my new fave radio
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser 
> wrote:
>
>> HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link?
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and
>>> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell
>>> that goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be an
>>> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a
>>> combiner.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>
>>> North Central Tower
>>>
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>
>>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino** Villarini *
>>> Founder/President
>>> @gvillarini
>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>>> m:
>>>
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>>>
>>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM
>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PTP820C does this its called ACCP.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>
>>> North Central Tower
>>>
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>
>>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on
>>> one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).
>>> And do any have non-adjacent channels?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Adair Winter]

Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over $11k. Does 1.4Gb and
has an SFP+ interface. it's my new fave radio

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser 
wrote:

> HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link?
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and
>> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
>> er...@northcentraltower.com>
>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>
>>
>>
>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell
>> that goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be an
>> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a
>> combiner.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>>
>> North Central Tower
>>
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>
>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino** Villarini *
>> Founder/President
>> @gvillarini
>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>> m:
>>
>> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo]
>> 
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>>
>>
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>> 
>>
>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>>
>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
>> er...@northcentraltower.com>
>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>
>>
>>
>> PTP820C does this its called ACCP.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>>
>> North Central Tower
>>
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>
>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>>
>>
>> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on
>> one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And
>> do any have non-adjacent channels?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Erich Kaiser]

HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link?


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101





On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and
> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
> er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell
> that goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be an
> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a
> combiner.
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?
>
>
>
> *Gino** Villarini *
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
> m:
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo] 
>
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>
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> 
>
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
> er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> PTP820C does this its called ACCP.
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one
> dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent.
>
>
>
> Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And
> do any have non-adjacent channels?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
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[AFMUG] FCC'S ENFORCEMENT BUREAU REACHES $1.13 MILLION SETTLEMENT WITH SCRIPPS ON MONITORING OF TV TOWER LIGHTING

[Tim Hardy]

FCC'S ENFORCEMENT BUREAU REACHES $1.13 MILLION SETTLEMENT WITH SCRIPPS ON 
MONITORING OF TV TOWER LIGHTING. by News Release. News Media Contact: Will 
Wiquist at (202) 418-0509, email: will.wiqu...@fcc.gov 
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Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Andreas Wiatowski]

I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is more of 
a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM.


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From: AF  on behalf of Gino Villarini 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[EXTERNAL]
Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and Aviat 
radios that do this are single core… so less $$$

From: AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell that 
goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be an option with 
two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a combiner.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101




On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?


Gino Villarini
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
m:
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Guaynabo, PR 00968
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Erich Kaiser mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

PTP820C does this its called ACCP.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101




On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband 
mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote:
Hi

The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one dual 
core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent.

Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And do 
any have non-adjacent channels?

Thanks

Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Gino A. Villarini]

Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and Aviat 
radios that do this are single core… so less $$$

From: AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell that 
goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be an option with 
two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a combiner.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101




On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?


Gino Villarini
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
m:
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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Erich Kaiser mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

PTP820C does this its called ACCP.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101




On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband 
mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote:
Hi

The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one dual 
core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent.

Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And do 
any have non-adjacent channels?

Thanks

Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Erich Kaiser]

No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell
that goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be an
option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a
combiner.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101





On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?
>
>
>
> *Gino*
> *Villarini *Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
> m:
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> 
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
> er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> PTP820C does this its called ACCP.
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one
> dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent.
>
>
>
> Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And
> do any have non-adjacent channels?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Gino A. Villarini]

Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?


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From: AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

PTP820C does this its called ACCP.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101




On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband 
mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote:
Hi

The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one dual 
core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent.

Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And do 
any have non-adjacent channels?

Thanks

Adam
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