date:20200210

Chinese are very susceptible to new respiratory diseases, i think their
three year old probably havenlungs that look like mine and ive smokes for
30 years. My guess is their immune systems are taxed keeping community
immunity pathogens like the flu at bay. When a new pathogen is introduced
they just dont have the immune fortitude to do much. There is lead
contamination in everything over there, they probably feel safer drinking
mercury than their water.
They havent really gotten into the details of who in the population is most
affected. My guess is it is not the wealthy who are afforded a different
quality of general healthcare than are the normal people. I think youd see
a similar rate of infection in other totalitarian regimes like north korea.
Now a cruise ship is the great equalizer, lock everybody in the same can
while the pathogens breed and everybody becomes the same class.

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 8:07 PM Robert  wrote:

> And a counterpoint...   CN has the flu too, and many die from it.   But
> they aren't driving around spraying disenfectant out of fogging trucks
> to battle the flu.   Prep, don't prep, doesn't matter to me.  But saying
> that others don't need to worry about it is being an authority on
> something there are no authorities on except those in a country that
> doesn't care if the rest of the world is in trouble..  & it sounds like
> a lot of those that are on the front lines fighting this are dying...
>
> On 2/9/20 3:25 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > Let me fix that for you:
> > Coronavirus: 800 (that have been reported). Many more who have died
> without being tested. Also China marks cause of death as the final reason
> (eg Pneumonia, or Heart Attack).
> >
> > So the numbers being reported are not accurate.
> >
> >> On Feb 9, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> >>
> >> Here is a counterpoint. So far this season, 10,000 people have died in
> the US from the flu. That makes the score flu 10,000, coronavirus 0.
> >>
> >>
> https://www.pressenza.com/2020/02/the-flu-has-killed-1-americans-this-season/
> >>
> >> Maybe the appropriate action is (was?) to just get a flu shot.
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >>> On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >>> There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just
> started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe
> it's not the flu?
> >>>
> >>> 2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is
> happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly
> dangerous.
> >>>
> >>> In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's
> going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in the
> world.
> >>>
> >>> The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days
> to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a
> very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.
> >>>
> >>> Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because
> the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?
> >>>
>  On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>  You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the
> reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 fatalities
> outside of mainland China.
> 
>  Just stay away from bat soup.
> 
> 
>  bp
>  
> 
> > On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has
> caused China to:
> >
> > Send the president into hiding
> > Build several emergency hospitals
> > Lock down major cities
> > Extend the CNY
> > In some cases barricade people in their homes
> > Daily fumigation of streets
> > Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
> > People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into
> quarantine
> > Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
> > Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums
> >
> > China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for
> anyone dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they
> all respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is
> contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same wording
> in cases.
> >
> > Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that
> we don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?
> >
> >> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince  > wrote:
> >>
> >> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality
> rate is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second,
> the infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3
> (measles by comparison is rated at 15).
> >>
> >> So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that
> fatal.
> >>
> >> Fear driven journalism.
> >>
> >>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

2020-02-10 Thread Sterling Jacobson

Ok, those are good options.

A bit more expensive, but probably better to get a larger gen.

I like how Kohler still has a catch phrase, “Bold new Kohler design…” lol

From: AF  On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 5:19 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

These are 12Kw and look to be smaller than the Generac?

https://www.nationwidegenerators.com/briggs-stratton-40517-12kw-generator/

https://www.nationwidegenerators.com/kohler-12resv-120-240v-1ph-generator-with-oncue-generator-management-system/

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 3:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

Good points.

Still, need a small form factor due to the building owner being obtuse about 
having a Gen on the back sidewalk.

So I’ll just wire the rack and maybe the lights for now and test it out.

3kw real output should cover those.

Also, I don’t want to have to excessively re-run my gas line to the unit, so 
the smaller NG gen the better and hopefully use the existing line given I’m not 
going to power the heat unit from NG at the same time the gen is on.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 7:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

If your HVAC is 240 then you have more HVAC load than that generator can pull 
on just that one load.

40 amps x 240 Volts is 9600 Watts.

7.5 kW generac will only deliver 31 amps at 240 VAC  And you really don’t want 
to load a generator up that much.  50% is a good derating factor.  Also,  
generators publish their power output at sea level.

Knock off 3% for every 1000’ above sea level and 2% for every 10 degrees above 
70 degrees F
Rounding up, you are close to 5000’ so that is 15% lost for altitude and in the 
summer at 110 degrees that is another 8%.
So you lose as much as 23% of capacity  on a hot summer day.  Worse if you 
power it from natural gas.

I would add up all your loads, add 50% for growth then double that figure for 
not loading the generator too much and to account for derating.

The installation is the expensive part.  Don’t scrimp on kW at this stage of 
the game.  Sounds to me like you need a 20 kW or more depending on your true 
HVAC loads.

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 6:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Generator for office

I need a smaller footprint generator for my 1300 sqr foot office.

Was thinking of getting the 50A 7.5KW Generac 6998 for $2050.00 that includes 
the 50A transfer switch.

I think my breakers has several 20A switches and 40A for the HVAC.

Not sure if this would cover the power needed for the whole unit, or just the 
fiber cabinet/rack I have that has max 20A circuit to it?

The next highest power draw is probably the HVAC and/or water heater.

The lights only draw about 500W since I switched them all to LED.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

China is actually doing a better job against measles than the United States.  
We have become complacent.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahrosenbaum/2019/12/27/how-china-is-winning-the-war-against-measles



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 9:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Timothy Steele 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

Hi Timothy!

I keep hearing about this happening (temperature taking).   Since the 
person can be contagious but a-symptomatic for up to 14 days before symptoms 
occur, I keep wondering what exactly this is doing other than stopping the 
folks who are most seriously sick.

Is this really just another flu strain though?  It's a corona virus, but so is 
the common cold -- that doesn't mean they are all the flu.

Now I hear this thing can be spread through the air (not just droplets), which 
means the spread distance from an infected person is much greater than the 
common cold/flu.

This is certainly some of the better news I've heard lately.

On 2/10/20 9:55 PM, Timothy Steele wrote:
> I'm living in asia right now (philippines)
> 
> they are going to extremes to contain the virus no you can't believe 
> what china is saying but I do believe what I'm seeing
> 
> we just took a vacation to cebu for our anniversary
> 
> when you go to the airport they check your temperature even for 
> domestic before you get to the terminal and check again before you get 
> on the flight
> 
> resorts and hotels have to check your temperature before they let you 
> walk in even if just to eat inside
> 
> if you want to go into a bigger crowded areas  like whale watching you 
> have to get all you vitals checked and get stamped that you don't have 
> the virus
> 
> in bohol nurses are getting infected
> 
> U.S citizens in china post on social media of police installing metal 
> bars on doors of anyone's home that refuse to quarantine at the 
> hospital
> 
> as I'm a foreigner I'm not allowed to fly in or out any part of china 
> hong kong or taiwan until the virus travel ban is over
> 
> 
> I don't mean to scare anyone just sharing truths I'm not that scared 
> of the virus as its just a new strain of the flu and I'm still young
> 
> if I was older I would be scared as a flu shot will not help you with 
> this yet and the is a mask shortage so your own doctor or nurse and 
> infect you
> 
> in the U.S though there are so few that have it and hospital resources 
> are so high there is nothing to really worry about there
> 
> 
> but in asia where good hospitals are hard to find most houses don't 
> have proper showers nurses are out of masks its standard for kids to 
> live with grandparents that can easily get sick and the flu is not 
> common here as its always hot so the immune system is not really ready 
> for it
> 
> it is a very scary virus in asia but I don't see it being much of an 
> issue in the U.S
> 
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 10:32 AM Mathew Howard  > wrote:
> 
> Oh, that's probably just a delicious snack! Kind of like beef jerky,
> only... different.
> 
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 7:22 PM Ken Hohhof  > wrote:
> 
> That looks like an actual product they bought in China, as
> opposed to what I expected from the headline.  Still 
> creepy.
> 
> __ __
> 
> *From:* AF  > *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 7:03 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
> 
> __ __
> 
> This is concerning
> 
> https://breaking911.com/cbp-officers-at-va-airport-intercept-dead-bird
> s-in-passenger-baggage-from-china/
> 
> __ __
> 
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 1:00 PM Shayne Lebrun
> mailto:sleb...@corebroadband.ca>>
> wrote:
> 
> A 'cynic' is what an optimist calls a realist.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
> ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 1:33 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
> 
> I used to think I was a cynic.  Some people are an order of
> magnitude
> more cynical than me.
> 
> 
> On 2/10/2020 12:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>  > I am naturally an optimist and not a cynic.  So I
> essentially ignore all that stuff.  Life is too short.
>  >
>  > Sent from my iPhone
>  >
>  >> On Feb 10, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Adam Moffett
> mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  >>
>  >> The thing

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)


Hi Timothy!

I keep hearing about this happening (temperature taking).   Since the 
person can be contagious but a-symptomatic for up to 14 days before 
symptoms occur, I keep wondering what exactly this is doing other than 
stopping the folks who are most seriously sick.


Is this really just another flu strain though?  It's a corona virus, but 
so is the common cold -- that doesn't mean they are all the flu.


Now I hear this thing can be spread through the air (not just droplets), 
which means the spread distance from an infected person is much greater 
than the common cold/flu.


This is certainly some of the better news I've heard lately.

On 2/10/20 9:55 PM, Timothy Steele wrote:

I'm living in asia right now (philippines)

they are going to extremes to contain the virus no you can't believe 
what china is saying but I do believe what I'm seeing


we just took a vacation to cebu for our anniversary

when you go to the airport they check your temperature even for 
domestic before you get to the terminal

and check again before you get on the flight

resorts and hotels have to check your temperature before they let you 
walk in even if just to eat inside


if you want to go into a bigger crowded areas  like whale watching you 
have to get all you vitals checked and get stamped that you don't have 
the virus


in bohol nurses are getting infected

U.S citizens in china post on social media of police installing metal 
bars on doors of anyone's home that refuse to quarantine at the hospital


as I'm a foreigner I'm not allowed to fly in or out any part of china 
hong kong or taiwan until the virus travel ban is over



I don't mean to scare anyone just sharing truths I'm not that scared of 
the virus as its just a new strain of the flu and I'm still young


if I was older I would be scared as a flu shot will not help you with 
this yet and the is a mask shortage so your own doctor or nurse and 
infect you


in the U.S though there are so few that have it and hospital resources 
are so high there is nothing to really worry about there



but in asia where good hospitals are hard to find most houses don't have 
proper showers nurses are out of masks its standard for kids to live 
with grandparents
that can easily get sick and the flu is not common here as its always 
hot so the immune system is not really ready for it


it is a very scary virus in asia but I don't see it being much of an 
issue in the U.S


On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 10:32 AM Mathew Howard > wrote:


Oh, that's probably just a delicious snack! Kind of like beef jerky,
only... different.

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 7:22 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

That looks like an actual product they bought in China, as
opposed to what I expected from the headline.  Still creepy.

__ __

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 7:03 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

__ __

This is concerning

https://breaking911.com/cbp-officers-at-va-airport-intercept-dead-birds-in-passenger-baggage-from-china/

__ __

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 1:00 PM Shayne Lebrun
mailto:sleb...@corebroadband.ca>>
wrote:

A 'cynic' is what an optimist calls a realist.

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 1:33 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

I used to think I was a cynic.  Some people are an order of
magnitude
more cynical than me.


On 2/10/2020 12:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
 > I am naturally an optimist and not a cynic.  So I
essentially ignore all that stuff.  Life is too short.
 >
 > Sent from my iPhone
 >
 >> On Feb 10, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 >>
 >> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally
everything is a "conspiracy".
 >>
 >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and
nobody has the whole picture of what happened until more
time passes.  In the interim there's a lot of conflicting
information going around. People latch onto early bits of
information that turn out to be wrong and they won't let go
of them.
 >>
 >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press
from Hong Kong
 >>
 >> Coronavirus was

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

2020-02-10 Thread Timothy Steele

I'm living in asia right now (philippines)

they are going to extremes to contain the virus no you can't believe what
china is saying but I do believe what I'm seeing

we just took a vacation to cebu for our anniversary

when you go to the airport they check your temperature even for
domestic before you get to the terminal
and check again before you get on the flight

resorts and hotels have to check your temperature before they let you walk
in even if just to eat inside

if you want to go into a bigger crowded areas  like whale watching you have
to get all you vitals checked and get stamped that you don't have the virus

in bohol nurses are getting infected

U.S citizens in china post on social media of police installing metal bars
on doors of anyone's home that refuse to quarantine at the hospital

as I'm a foreigner I'm not allowed to fly in or out any part of china hong
kong or taiwan until the virus travel ban is over


I don't mean to scare anyone just sharing truths I'm not that scared of the
virus as its just a new strain of the flu and I'm still young

if I was older I would be scared as a flu shot will not help you with this
yet and the is a mask shortage so your own doctor or nurse and infect you

in the U.S though there are so few that have it and hospital resources are
so high there is nothing to really worry about there


but in asia where good hospitals are hard to find most houses don't have
proper showers nurses are out of masks its standard for kids to live with
grandparents
that can easily get sick and the flu is not common here as its always hot
so the immune system is not really ready for it

it is a very scary virus in asia but I don't see it being much of an issue
in the U.S

On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 10:32 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Oh, that's probably just a delicious snack! Kind of like beef jerky,
> only... different.
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 7:22 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> That looks like an actual product they bought in China, as opposed to
>> what I expected from the headline.  Still creepy.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 7:03 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
>>
>>
>>
>> This is concerning
>> https://breaking911.com/cbp-officers-at-va-airport-intercept-dead-birds-in-passenger-baggage-from-china/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 1:00 PM Shayne Lebrun 
>> wrote:
>>
>> A 'cynic' is what an optimist calls a realist.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 1:33 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
>>
>> I used to think I was a cynic.  Some people are an order of magnitude
>> more cynical than me.
>>
>>
>> On 2/10/2020 12:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> > I am naturally an optimist and not a cynic.  So I essentially ignore
>> all that stuff.  Life is too short.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Feb 10, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a
>> "conspiracy".
>> >>
>> >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the
>> whole picture of what happened until more time passes.  In the interim
>> there's a lot of conflicting information going around. People latch onto
>> early bits of information that turn out to be wrong and they won't let go
>> of them.
>> >>
>> >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong Kong
>> >>
>> >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war
>> >>
>> >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I
>> mean that one's obviously a joke.right?)
>> >>
>> >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival
>> bunkers.
>> >>
>> >> China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or
>> maybe they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all
>> information so they're reporting what they think is true at the time it's
>> said, or maybe rumors on Facebook aren't all true.
>> >>
>> >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> >>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.
>> >>>
>> >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
>> >>>
>> >>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual
>> infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel Coronavirus
>> appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not particularly deadly.
>> >>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

2020-02-10 Thread Mathew Howard

Oh, that's probably just a delicious snack! Kind of like beef jerky,
only... different.

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 7:22 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> That looks like an actual product they bought in China, as opposed to what
> I expected from the headline.  Still creepy.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 7:03 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
>
>
>
> This is concerning
> https://breaking911.com/cbp-officers-at-va-airport-intercept-dead-birds-in-passenger-baggage-from-china/
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 1:00 PM Shayne Lebrun 
> wrote:
>
> A 'cynic' is what an optimist calls a realist.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 1:33 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
>
> I used to think I was a cynic.  Some people are an order of magnitude
> more cynical than me.
>
>
> On 2/10/2020 12:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> > I am naturally an optimist and not a cynic.  So I essentially ignore all
> that stuff.  Life is too short.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 10, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> >>
> >> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a
> "conspiracy".
> >>
> >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the
> whole picture of what happened until more time passes.  In the interim
> there's a lot of conflicting information going around. People latch onto
> early bits of information that turn out to be wrong and they won't let go
> of them.
> >>
> >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong Kong
> >>
> >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war
> >>
> >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I mean
> that one's obviously a joke.right?)
> >>
> >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival bunkers.
> >>
> >> China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or
> maybe they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all
> information so they're reporting what they think is true at the time it's
> said, or maybe rumors on Facebook aren't all true.
> >>
> >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.
> >>>
> >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
> >>>
> >>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual
> infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel Coronavirus
> appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not particularly deadly.
> >>>
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And a counterpoint... CN has the flu too, and many die from it. But
they aren't driving around spraying disenfectant out of fogging trucks
to battle the flu. Prep, don't prep, doesn't matter to me. But saying
that others don't need to worry about it is being an authority on
something there are no authorities on except those in a country that
doesn't care if the rest of the world is in trouble.. & it sounds like
a lot of those that are on the front lines fighting this are dying...

On 2/9/20 3:25 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Let me fix that for you:
Coronavirus: 800 (that have been reported). Many more who have died without
being tested. Also China marks cause of death as the final reason (eg
Pneumonia, or Heart Attack).

So the numbers being reported are not accurate.

On Feb 9, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

Here is a counterpoint. So far this season, 10,000 people have died in the US
from the flu. That makes the score flu 10,000, coronavirus 0.

https://www.pressenza.com/2020/02/the-flu-has-killed-1-americans-this-season/

Maybe the appropriate action is (was?) to just get a flu shot.

On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF. We've only just started.
It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe it's not the
flu?

2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is happening
before people even know it -- thus making this particularly dangerous.

In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's going on
and what's going to be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in the world.

The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days to get a
report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a very long lag
and we are currently sitting in it.

Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because the
health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?

On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the reports
from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 fatalities outside of mainland
China.

Just stay away from bat soup.

On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused China to:

Send the president into hiding
Build several emergency hospitals
Lock down major cities
Extend the CNY
In some cases barricade people in their homes
Daily fumigation of streets
Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine
Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums

China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone dealing
in international trade. If asked how things are going they all respond with
extremely similar answers about how everything is contained in Wuhan and things
are fine. Literally down to the same wording in cases.

Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that we don’t
that they are willing to risk their economy?

On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate is below
2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the infectiousness
is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 (measles by comparison is
rated at 15).

So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.

Fear driven journalism.

On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
the map

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

this is the Johns Hopkins map
Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
dirtiest on the planet.
I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will
lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.

UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player
and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all
their stuff is made in China?

I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting
to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply this
year. I know China will try

[AFMUG] 3GHz with no CBRS

Do any Countries currently have 3.6GHz authorized for LTE use, but 
without the CBRS requirement?


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Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

2020-02-10 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 2/10/20 15:58, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Still, need a small form factor due to the building owner being obtuse 
about having a Gen on the back sidewalk.





Ask if you can put it inside. Mine (Cummins diesel) are inside.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

That looks like an actual product they bought in China, as opposed to what I 
expected from the headline.  Still creepy.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 7:03 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

 

This is concerning 
https://breaking911.com/cbp-officers-at-va-airport-intercept-dead-birds-in-passenger-baggage-from-china/

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 1:00 PM Shayne Lebrun mailto:sleb...@corebroadband.ca> > wrote:

A 'cynic' is what an optimist calls a realist.

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  ] On 
Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 1:33 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

I used to think I was a cynic.  Some people are an order of magnitude 
more cynical than me.


On 2/10/2020 12:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> I am naturally an optimist and not a cynic.  So I essentially ignore all that 
> stuff.  Life is too short.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 10, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Adam Moffett >  > wrote:
>>
>> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a 
>> "conspiracy".
>>
>> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the whole 
>> picture of what happened until more time passes.  In the interim there's a 
>> lot of conflicting information going around. People latch onto early bits of 
>> information that turn out to be wrong and they won't let go of them.
>>
>> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong Kong
>>
>> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war
>>
>> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I mean that 
>> one's obviously a joke.right?)
>>
>> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival bunkers.
>>
>> China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or maybe 
>> they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all information so 
>> they're reporting what they think is true at the time it's said, or maybe 
>> rumors on Facebook aren't all true.
>>
>> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.
>>>
>>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
>>>
>>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual 
>>> infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel Coronavirus 
>>> appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not particularly deadly.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

What in the. 

> On Feb 10, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> This is concerning 
> https://breaking911.com/cbp-officers-at-va-airport-intercept-dead-birds-in-passenger-baggage-from-china/
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 1:00 PM Shayne Lebrun  wrote:
>> A 'cynic' is what an optimist calls a realist.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 1:33 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
>> 
>> I used to think I was a cynic.  Some people are an order of magnitude 
>> more cynical than me.
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/10/2020 12:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> > I am naturally an optimist and not a cynic.  So I essentially ignore all 
>> > that stuff.  Life is too short.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Feb 10, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a 
>> >> "conspiracy".
>> >>
>> >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the 
>> >> whole picture of what happened until more time passes.  In the interim 
>> >> there's a lot of conflicting information going around. People latch onto 
>> >> early bits of information that turn out to be wrong and they won't let go 
>> >> of them.
>> >>
>> >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong Kong
>> >>
>> >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war
>> >>
>> >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I mean 
>> >> that one's obviously a joke.right?)
>> >>
>> >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival bunkers.
>> >>
>> >> China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or maybe 
>> >> they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all information 
>> >> so they're reporting what they think is true at the time it's said, or 
>> >> maybe rumors on Facebook aren't all true.
>> >>
>> >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> >>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.
>> >>>
>> >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
>> >>>
>> >>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual 
>> >>> infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel 
>> >>> Coronavirus appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not 
>> >>> particularly deadly.
>> >>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

2020-02-10 Thread chuck

Going from a 7.5 to a 15 kW is not physically that much larger.  

How about in the tree strip behind your building?
Or sacrifice a parking space.  

From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 5:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

They said no for roof installation.

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 5:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

Roof?

From: Sterling Jacobson 

Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 4:58 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

Good points.

Still, need a small form factor due to the building owner being obtuse about 
having a Gen on the back sidewalk.

So I’ll just wire the rack and maybe the lights for now and test it out.

3kw real output should cover those.

Also, I don’t want to have to excessively re-run my gas line to the unit, so 
the smaller NG gen the better and hopefully use the existing line given I’m not 
going to power the heat unit from NG at the same time the gen is on.

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 7:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

If your HVAC is 240 then you have more HVAC load than that generator can pull 
on just that one load.  

40 amps x 240 Volts is 9600 Watts.  

7.5 kW generac will only deliver 31 amps at 240 VAC  And you really don’t want 
to load a generator up that much.  50% is a good derating factor.  Also,  
generators publish their power output at sea level.  

Knock off 3% for every 1000’ above sea level and 2% for every 10 degrees above 
70 degrees F

Rounding up, you are close to 5000’ so that is 15% lost for altitude and in the 
summer at 110 degrees that is another 8%.  

So you lose as much as 23% of capacity  on a hot summer day.  Worse if you 
power it from natural gas.  

I would add up all your loads, add 50% for growth then double that figure for 
not loading the generator too much and to account for derating.  

The installation is the expensive part.  Don’t scrimp on kW at this stage of 
the game.  Sounds to me like you need a 20 kW or more depending on your true 
HVAC loads.  

From: Sterling Jacobson 

Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 6:04 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] Generator for office

I need a smaller footprint generator for my 1300 sqr foot office.

Was thinking of getting the 50A 7.5KW Generac 6998 for $2050.00 that includes 
the 50A transfer switch.

I think my breakers has several 20A switches and 40A for the HVAC.

Not sure if this would cover the power needed for the whole unit, or just the 
fiber cabinet/rack I have that has max 20A circuit to it?

The next highest power draw is probably the HVAC and/or water heater.

The lights only draw about 500W since I switched them all to LED.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

This is concerning
https://breaking911.com/cbp-officers-at-va-airport-intercept-dead-birds-in-passenger-baggage-from-china/

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 1:00 PM Shayne Lebrun 
wrote:

> A 'cynic' is what an optimist calls a realist.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 1:33 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
>
> I used to think I was a cynic.  Some people are an order of magnitude
> more cynical than me.
>
>
> On 2/10/2020 12:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> > I am naturally an optimist and not a cynic.  So I essentially ignore all
> that stuff.  Life is too short.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 10, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> >>
> >> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a
> "conspiracy".
> >>
> >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the
> whole picture of what happened until more time passes.  In the interim
> there's a lot of conflicting information going around. People latch onto
> early bits of information that turn out to be wrong and they won't let go
> of them.
> >>
> >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong Kong
> >>
> >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war
> >>
> >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I mean
> that one's obviously a joke.right?)
> >>
> >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival bunkers.
> >>
> >> China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or
> maybe they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all
> information so they're reporting what they think is true at the time it's
> said, or maybe rumors on Facebook aren't all true.
> >>
> >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.
> >>>
> >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
> >>>
> >>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual
> infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel Coronavirus
> appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not particularly deadly.
> >>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

2020-02-10 Thread SmarterBroadband

These are 12Kw and look to be smaller than the Generac?

 

https://www.nationwidegenerators.com/briggs-stratton-40517-12kw-generator/

 

https://www.nationwidegenerators.com/kohler-12resv-120-240v-1ph-generator-with-oncue-generator-management-system/

 

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 3:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

 

Good points.

 

Still, need a small form factor due to the building owner being obtuse about 
having a Gen on the back sidewalk.

 

So I’ll just wire the rack and maybe the lights for now and test it out.

 

3kw real output should cover those.

 

Also, I don’t want to have to excessively re-run my gas line to the unit, so 
the smaller NG gen the better and hopefully use the existing line given I’m not 
going to power the heat unit from NG at the same time the gen is on.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 7:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

 

If your HVAC is 240 then you have more HVAC load than that generator can pull 
on just that one load.  

 

40 amps x 240 Volts is 9600 Watts.  

 

7.5 kW generac will only deliver 31 amps at 240 VAC  And you really don’t want 
to load a generator up that much.  50% is a good derating factor.  Also,  
generators publish their power output at sea level.  

 

Knock off 3% for every 1000’ above sea level and 2% for every 10 degrees above 
70 degrees F

Rounding up, you are close to 5000’ so that is 15% lost for altitude and in the 
summer at 110 degrees that is another 8%.  

So you lose as much as 23% of capacity  on a hot summer day.  Worse if you 
power it from natural gas.  

 

I would add up all your loads, add 50% for growth then double that figure for 
not loading the generator too much and to account for derating.  

 

The installation is the expensive part.  Don’t scrimp on kW at this stage of 
the game.  Sounds to me like you need a 20 kW or more depending on your true 
HVAC loads.  

 

From: Sterling Jacobson 

Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 6:04 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] Generator for office

 

I need a smaller footprint generator for my 1300 sqr foot office.

 

Was thinking of getting the 50A 7.5KW Generac 6998 for $2050.00 that includes 
the 50A transfer switch.

 

I think my breakers has several 20A switches and 40A for the HVAC.

 

Not sure if this would cover the power needed for the whole unit, or just the 
fiber cabinet/rack I have that has max 20A circuit to it?

 

The next highest power draw is probably the HVAC and/or water heater.

 

The lights only draw about 500W since I switched them all to LED.

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

2020-02-10 Thread Sterling Jacobson

They said no for roof installation.

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 5:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

Roof?

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 4:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

Good points.

Still, need a small form factor due to the building owner being obtuse about 
having a Gen on the back sidewalk.

So I’ll just wire the rack and maybe the lights for now and test it out.

3kw real output should cover those.

Also, I don’t want to have to excessively re-run my gas line to the unit, so 
the smaller NG gen the better and hopefully use the existing line given I’m not 
going to power the heat unit from NG at the same time the gen is on.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 7:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

If your HVAC is 240 then you have more HVAC load than that generator can pull 
on just that one load.

40 amps x 240 Volts is 9600 Watts.

7.5 kW generac will only deliver 31 amps at 240 VAC  And you really don’t want 
to load a generator up that much.  50% is a good derating factor.  Also,  
generators publish their power output at sea level.

Knock off 3% for every 1000’ above sea level and 2% for every 10 degrees above 
70 degrees F
Rounding up, you are close to 5000’ so that is 15% lost for altitude and in the 
summer at 110 degrees that is another 8%.
So you lose as much as 23% of capacity  on a hot summer day.  Worse if you 
power it from natural gas.

I would add up all your loads, add 50% for growth then double that figure for 
not loading the generator too much and to account for derating.

The installation is the expensive part.  Don’t scrimp on kW at this stage of 
the game.  Sounds to me like you need a 20 kW or more depending on your true 
HVAC loads.

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 6:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Generator for office

I need a smaller footprint generator for my 1300 sqr foot office.

Was thinking of getting the 50A 7.5KW Generac 6998 for $2050.00 that includes 
the 50A transfer switch.

I think my breakers has several 20A switches and 40A for the HVAC.

Not sure if this would cover the power needed for the whole unit, or just the 
fiber cabinet/rack I have that has max 20A circuit to it?

The next highest power draw is probably the HVAC and/or water heater.

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Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

2020-02-10 Thread chuck

Roof?

From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 4:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

Good points.

Still, need a small form factor due to the building owner being obtuse about 
having a Gen on the back sidewalk.

So I’ll just wire the rack and maybe the lights for now and test it out.

3kw real output should cover those.

Also, I don’t want to have to excessively re-run my gas line to the unit, so 
the smaller NG gen the better and hopefully use the existing line given I’m not 
going to power the heat unit from NG at the same time the gen is on.

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 7:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

If your HVAC is 240 then you have more HVAC load than that generator can pull 
on just that one load.  

40 amps x 240 Volts is 9600 Watts.  

7.5 kW generac will only deliver 31 amps at 240 VAC  And you really don’t want 
to load a generator up that much.  50% is a good derating factor.  Also,  
generators publish their power output at sea level.  

Knock off 3% for every 1000’ above sea level and 2% for every 10 degrees above 
70 degrees F

Rounding up, you are close to 5000’ so that is 15% lost for altitude and in the 
summer at 110 degrees that is another 8%.  

So you lose as much as 23% of capacity  on a hot summer day.  Worse if you 
power it from natural gas.  

I would add up all your loads, add 50% for growth then double that figure for 
not loading the generator too much and to account for derating.  

The installation is the expensive part.  Don’t scrimp on kW at this stage of 
the game.  Sounds to me like you need a 20 kW or more depending on your true 
HVAC loads.  

From: Sterling Jacobson 

Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 6:04 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] Generator for office

I need a smaller footprint generator for my 1300 sqr foot office.

Was thinking of getting the 50A 7.5KW Generac 6998 for $2050.00 that includes 
the 50A transfer switch.

I think my breakers has several 20A switches and 40A for the HVAC.

Not sure if this would cover the power needed for the whole unit, or just the 
fiber cabinet/rack I have that has max 20A circuit to it?

The next highest power draw is probably the HVAC and/or water heater.

The lights only draw about 500W since I switched them all to LED.

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Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

2020-02-10 Thread Sterling Jacobson

Good points.

Still, need a small form factor due to the building owner being obtuse about 
having a Gen on the back sidewalk.

So I’ll just wire the rack and maybe the lights for now and test it out.

3kw real output should cover those.

Also, I don’t want to have to excessively re-run my gas line to the unit, so 
the smaller NG gen the better and hopefully use the existing line given I’m not 
going to power the heat unit from NG at the same time the gen is on.


From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 7:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

If your HVAC is 240 then you have more HVAC load than that generator can pull 
on just that one load.

40 amps x 240 Volts is 9600 Watts.

7.5 kW generac will only deliver 31 amps at 240 VAC  And you really don’t want 
to load a generator up that much.  50% is a good derating factor.  Also,  
generators publish their power output at sea level.

Knock off 3% for every 1000’ above sea level and 2% for every 10 degrees above 
70 degrees F
Rounding up, you are close to 5000’ so that is 15% lost for altitude and in the 
summer at 110 degrees that is another 8%.
So you lose as much as 23% of capacity  on a hot summer day.  Worse if you 
power it from natural gas.

I would add up all your loads, add 50% for growth then double that figure for 
not loading the generator too much and to account for derating.

The installation is the expensive part.  Don’t scrimp on kW at this stage of 
the game.  Sounds to me like you need a 20 kW or more depending on your true 
HVAC loads.

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 6:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Generator for office

I need a smaller footprint generator for my 1300 sqr foot office.

Was thinking of getting the 50A 7.5KW Generac 6998 for $2050.00 that includes 
the 50A transfer switch.

I think my breakers has several 20A switches and 40A for the HVAC.

Not sure if this would cover the power needed for the whole unit, or just the 
fiber cabinet/rack I have that has max 20A circuit to it?

The next highest power draw is probably the HVAC and/or water heater.

The lights only draw about 500W since I switched them all to LED.



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Re: [AFMUG] .ag TLD / country code

That's an interesting article.

Apparently Verisign pays $5,000,000 /year to Tuvalu and charges
somewhere around $100/year to register a .tv domain. There are over
500,000 .tv domains, so they must gross over $50,000,000/year on that.
Administrative overhead is said to be something like $1/domain.

It's good to be Tuvalu, but even better to be Verisign.

When I read stuff like that I think I clearly chose the wrong profession.

-Adam

On 2/10/2020 2:51 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

1/12 of the gross national income.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2019/12/23/tuvalu-is-tiny-island-nation-people-its-cashing-thanks-twitch/

On 2/10/2020 1:43 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I've heard that very rumor about Tuvalu. It's an ity bitty country.
TV channels have money and want .tv domains.

On 2/10/2020 2:39 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
Wasn't there just a report that one of the popular TLD names from a
very small country had a significant portion of the countries income
come from domain registrations.

On 2/10/2020 1:37 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

Maybe just like television-oriented entities use the country code
for Tuvalu (.tv).

On 2/10/2020 11:29 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I came across a farm whose domain ended in .ag.

Technically that’s the country code for Antigua. And apparently
it causes some issues in Germany where lots of company names end
in AG.

Is it fairly common practice to register .ag domain names for
agriculture?

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Re: [AFMUG] 1-5 second ping monitoring

2020-02-10 Thread Eric Muehleisen

Advanced Ping is a plugin for Cacti that works quite well. It's a spinoff
of smokeping.

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 1:44 PM justsumname .  wrote:

> Looks like I still "can" use Pingplotter... but I sure like that SmokePing
> I just wanted to query the best network-hive-mind on the www that I know of
> ;-)
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 1:24 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> pingplotter and multiping are both good, theyre both cheap enough to buy
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:21 PM Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Smokeping is an alternative.  Pingplotter still exists, why can't you
>>> use it?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 1:15 PM justsumname . 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Gents --
 I used to use a freebie called Pingplotter (I think it was called)..
 Anyone using such a thing nowadays?   I'm looking for ping/traceroute
 monitoring & plotting response times plus triggered email alerts.
 ...Googling now.

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Re: [AFMUG] .ag TLD / country code

2020-02-10 Thread Nate Burke


1/12 of the gross national income.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2019/12/23/tuvalu-is-tiny-island-nation-people-its-cashing-thanks-twitch/


On 2/10/2020 1:43 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:


I've heard that very rumor about Tuvalu.  It's an ity bitty country.  
TV channels have money and want .tv domains.



On 2/10/2020 2:39 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
Wasn't there just a report that one of the popular TLD names from a 
very small country had a significant portion of the countries income 
come from domain registrations.


On 2/10/2020 1:37 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Maybe just like television-oriented entities use the country code 
for Tuvalu (.tv).



bp


On 2/10/2020 11:29 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I came across a farm whose domain ended in .ag.

Technically that’s the country code for Antigua.  And apparently it 
causes some issues in Germany where lots of company names end in AG.


Is it fairly common practice to register .ag domain names for 
agriculture?














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Re: [AFMUG] .ag TLD / country code

I've heard that very rumor about Tuvalu.  It's an ity bitty country.  TV 
channels have money and want .tv domains.



On 2/10/2020 2:39 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
Wasn't there just a report that one of the popular TLD names from a 
very small country had a significant portion of the countries income 
come from domain registrations.


On 2/10/2020 1:37 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Maybe just like television-oriented entities use the country code for 
Tuvalu (.tv).



bp


On 2/10/2020 11:29 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I came across a farm whose domain ended in .ag.

Technically that’s the country code for Antigua.  And apparently it 
causes some issues in Germany where lots of company names end in AG.


Is it fairly common practice to register .ag domain names for 
agriculture?









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Re: [AFMUG] 1-5 second ping monitoring

2020-02-10 Thread justsumname .

Looks like I still "can" use Pingplotter... but I sure like that SmokePing
I just wanted to query the best network-hive-mind on the www that I know of
;-)


On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 1:24 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> pingplotter and multiping are both good, theyre both cheap enough to buy
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:21 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Smokeping is an alternative.  Pingplotter still exists, why can't you use
>> it?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 1:15 PM justsumname . 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Gents --
>>> I used to use a freebie called Pingplotter (I think it was called)..
>>> Anyone using such a thing nowadays?   I'm looking for ping/traceroute
>>> monitoring & plotting response times plus triggered email alerts.
>>> ...Googling now.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
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Re: [AFMUG] .ag TLD / country code


  
  
That could be Tuvalu. The country itself only owns 20% of that
  TLD.

bp



On 2/10/2020 11:39 AM, Nate Burke
  wrote:


  
  Wasn't there just a report that one of the popular TLD names from
  a very small country had a significant portion of the countries
  income come from domain registrations.  
  
  On 2/10/2020 1:37 PM, Bill Prince
wrote:
  
  

Maybe just like television-oriented entities use the country
  code for Tuvalu (.tv).


bp



On 2/10/2020 11:29 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
I came across a farm whose domain ended
  in .ag.
 
Technically that’s the country code for
  Antigua.  And apparently it causes some issues in Germany
  where lots of company names end in AG.
 
Is it fairly common practice to
  register .ag domain names for agriculture?
  
  
  




  
  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] .ag TLD / country code

2020-02-10 Thread Nate Burke

Wasn't there just a report that one of the popular TLD names from a very 
small country had a significant portion of the countries income come 
from domain registrations.


On 2/10/2020 1:37 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Maybe just like television-oriented entities use the country code for 
Tuvalu (.tv).



bp


On 2/10/2020 11:29 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I came across a farm whose domain ended in .ag.

Technically that’s the country code for Antigua.  And apparently it 
causes some issues in Germany where lots of company names end in AG.


Is it fairly common practice to register .ag domain names for 
agriculture?








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Re: [AFMUG] .ag TLD / country code


  
  
Maybe just like television-oriented entities use the country code
  for Tuvalu (.tv).


bp



On 2/10/2020 11:29 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
I came across a farm whose domain ended in
  .ag.
 
Technically that’s the country code for
  Antigua.  And apparently it causes some issues in Germany
  where lots of company names end in AG.
 
Is it fairly common practice to register
  .ag domain names for agriculture?
  
  
  

  


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[AFMUG] .ag TLD / country code

I came across a farm whose domain ended in .ag.

 

Technically that's the country code for Antigua.  And apparently it causes
some issues in Germany where lots of company names end in AG.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

2020-02-10 Thread Shayne Lebrun

A 'cynic' is what an optimist calls a realist.

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 1:33 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

I used to think I was a cynic.  Some people are an order of magnitude 
more cynical than me.


On 2/10/2020 12:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> I am naturally an optimist and not a cynic.  So I essentially ignore all that 
> stuff.  Life is too short.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 10, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a 
>> "conspiracy".
>>
>> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the whole 
>> picture of what happened until more time passes.  In the interim there's a 
>> lot of conflicting information going around. People latch onto early bits of 
>> information that turn out to be wrong and they won't let go of them.
>>
>> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong Kong
>>
>> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war
>>
>> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I mean that 
>> one's obviously a joke.right?)
>>
>> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival bunkers.
>>
>> China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or maybe 
>> they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all information so 
>> they're reporting what they think is true at the time it's said, or maybe 
>> rumors on Facebook aren't all true.
>>
>> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.
>>>
>>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
>>>
>>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual 
>>> infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel Coronavirus 
>>> appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not particularly deadly.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

So in the comic Pearls Before Swine, Chuck is Pig, and Steve is Rat?

Or maybe like the boss I had once who said he was a Tigger and I was an Eeyore?

 

Tiggers tend to get ahead in the world, because nobody likes an Eeyore.

Even if the Eeyores tend to be right more often than not.

(And when they’re wrong, usually it’s because things are even worse than they 
predicted.)

 

I liked Griffin in Men In Black 3.

He was a combination of optimist and pessimist.

But I guess you have to be an alien to see all the possible future timelines.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 12:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

 

thats what "they" want you to do

 

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:00 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

I am naturally an optimist and not a cynic.  So I essentially ignore all that 
stuff.  Life is too short.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 10, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Adam Moffett   > wrote:
> 
> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a 
> "conspiracy".
> 
> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the whole 
> picture of what happened until more time passes.  In the interim there's a 
> lot of conflicting information going around. People latch onto early bits of 
> information that turn out to be wrong and they won't let go of them.
> 
> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong Kong
> 
> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war
> 
> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I mean that 
> one's obviously a joke.right?)
> 
> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival bunkers.
> 
> China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or maybe they 
> just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all information so 
> they're reporting what they think is true at the time it's said, or maybe 
> rumors on Facebook aren't all true.
> 
> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.
>> 
>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
>> 
>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual 
>> infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel Coronavirus 
>> appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not particularly deadly.
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

I used to think I was a cynic.  Some people are an order of magnitude 
more cynical than me.



On 2/10/2020 12:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I am naturally an optimist and not a cynic.  So I essentially ignore all that 
stuff.  Life is too short.

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 10, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a 
"conspiracy".

Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the whole 
picture of what happened until more time passes.  In the interim there's a lot 
of conflicting information going around. People latch onto early bits of 
information that turn out to be wrong and they won't let go of them.

Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong Kong

Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war

Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I mean that 
one's obviously a joke.right?)

Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival bunkers.

China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or maybe they 
just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all information so they're 
reporting what they think is true at the time it's said, or maybe rumors on 
Facebook aren't all true.

See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.




On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.

I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.

Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual infections. 
I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel Coronavirus appears to be 
more infectious than SARS, but not particularly deadly.


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Re: [AFMUG] 1-5 second ping monitoring

pingplotter and multiping are both good, theyre both cheap enough to buy


On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:21 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Smokeping is an alternative.  Pingplotter still exists, why can't you use
> it?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 1:15 PM justsumname . 
> wrote:
>
>> Gents --
>> I used to use a freebie called Pingplotter (I think it was called)..
>> Anyone using such a thing nowadays?   I'm looking for ping/traceroute
>> monitoring & plotting response times plus triggered email alerts.
>> ...Googling now.
>>
>> Thanks.
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Re: [AFMUG] 1-5 second ping monitoring

2020-02-10 Thread Josh Luthman

Smokeping is an alternative.  Pingplotter still exists, why can't you use
it?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 1:15 PM justsumname .  wrote:

> Gents --
> I used to use a freebie called Pingplotter (I think it was called)..
> Anyone using such a thing nowadays?   I'm looking for ping/traceroute
> monitoring & plotting response times plus triggered email alerts.
> ...Googling now.
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2020-02-10 Thread justsumname .

Gents --
I used to use a freebie called Pingplotter (I think it was called)..
Anyone using such a thing nowadays?   I'm looking for ping/traceroute
monitoring & plotting response times plus triggered email alerts.
...Googling now.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

thats what "they" want you to do


On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:00 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I am naturally an optimist and not a cynic.  So I essentially ignore all
> that stuff.  Life is too short.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 10, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> >
> > The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a
> "conspiracy".
> >
> > Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the
> whole picture of what happened until more time passes.  In the interim
> there's a lot of conflicting information going around. People latch onto
> early bits of information that turn out to be wrong and they won't let go
> of them.
> >
> > Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong Kong
> >
> > Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war
> >
> > Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I mean
> that one's obviously a joke.right?)
> >
> > Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival bunkers.
> >
> > China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or maybe
> they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all information so
> they're reporting what they think is true at the time it's said, or maybe
> rumors on Facebook aren't all true.
> >
> > See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >> Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.
> >>
> >> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
> >>
> >> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual
> infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel Coronavirus
> appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not particularly deadly.
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

2020-02-10 Thread Chuck McCown

I am naturally an optimist and not a cynic.  So I essentially ignore all that 
stuff.  Life is too short.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 10, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a 
> "conspiracy".
> 
> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the whole 
> picture of what happened until more time passes.  In the interim there's a 
> lot of conflicting information going around. People latch onto early bits of 
> information that turn out to be wrong and they won't let go of them.
> 
> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong Kong
> 
> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war
> 
> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I mean that 
> one's obviously a joke.right?)
> 
> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival bunkers.
> 
> China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or maybe they 
> just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all information so 
> they're reporting what they think is true at the time it's said, or maybe 
> rumors on Facebook aren't all true.
> 
> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.
>> 
>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
>> 
>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual 
>> infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel Coronavirus 
>> appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not particularly deadly.
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

I guess I'm not sure what the point is here.  Diseases really do spread 
according to statistically predictable patterns.  That's not evidence of 
anything.



On 2/10/2020 12:27 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

And here are the infections for the next few days:

image1.jpeg

On Feb 10, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Bill Prince > wrote:



You will note that the infections curve is starting to flatten.


bp


On 2/10/2020 8:34 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


On 2/10/2020 11:28 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:


China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or 
maybe they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all 
information so they're reporting what they think is true at the 
time it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook aren't all true.


Well yes... except that the numbers being reported are oddly 
following a very specific amount increase each day which is now 
predictable in advance.  They appear to be using a formula.


Actual infections can be predicted by algorithms too.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

And here are the infections for the next few days:



> On Feb 10, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> You will note that the infections curve is starting to flatten.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 2/10/2020 8:34 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2/10/2020 11:28 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: 
>>> 
 China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or maybe 
 they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all information 
 so they're reporting what they think is true at the time it's said, or 
 maybe rumors on Facebook aren't all true. 
>>> 
>>> Well yes... except that the numbers being reported are oddly following a 
>>> very specific amount increase each day which is now predictable in advance. 
>>>  They appear to be using a formula. 
>> 
>> Actual infections can be predicted by algorithms too. 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)


  
  
Ah.. The bagel & coffee break brake.


bp



On 2/10/2020 8:43 AM, Steve Jones
  wrote:


  
  The johns hopkins graph levels every morning but
recovers trajectory as the day progresses. I think there is a
delay in calculations at some point
  
  
On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:41
  AM Bill Prince  wrote:


  
You will note that the infections curve is starting to
  flatten.

bp



On 2/10/2020 8:34 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

 
  On 2/10/2020 11:28 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: 
   
China is hiding all the
  information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or maybe they
  just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of
  all information so they're reporting what they think
  is true at the time it's said, or maybe rumors on
  Facebook aren't all true. 


Well yes... except that the numbers being reported are
oddly following a very specific amount increase each day
which is now predictable in advance.  They appear to be
using a formula. 
  
  
  Actual infections can be predicted by algorithms too. 
  
  

  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

Oh my God!! I didnt even realize that.  he is literally hitler. Bernie
created the kungflu. Thats why he honeymooned in russia, to collect genetic
samples

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:53 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Nazis are socialists.  Bernie is a socialist.  Therefore Bernie is a
> Nazi.  So the Internet says.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 10:48 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
>
>
>
> thats the secret, remember russia shafted the nazis last time... russia is
> in asia, so russians are asians. Taking them out of the running too
> Weve said too much
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Nazis also hate Communists.  It all fits.
>
>
>
> On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This is obviously genetically
> designed to target Asians. The proof is that 99% of infections are asians.
> Obviously this is the resurgence of the Nazi party trying to eliminate a
> majority of the population so they can initiate another run at global
> domination. My neighbors mom, Karen told me that her friend, carols husband
> Brad told her that he heard that this is what brexit was all about. Germany
> and Great Britian are forming an alliance now. Its all hush hush, but there
> is a shadow government of guess what... Nazis.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> You mean.Nazi's created Coronavirus?
>
> On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> > I'm waiting for Godwin...
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> >> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a
> >> "conspiracy".
> >>
> >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the
> >> whole picture of what happened until more time passes. In the interim
> >> there's a lot of conflicting information going around. People latch
> >> onto early bits of information that turn out to be wrong and they
> >> won't let go of them.
> >>
> >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong Kong
> >>
> >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war
> >>
> >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I
> >> mean that one's obviously a joke.right?)
> >>
> >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival bunkers.
> >>
> >> China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or
> >> maybe they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all
> >> information so they're reporting what they think is true at the time
> >> it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook aren't all true.
> >>
> >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.
> >>>
> >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
> >>>
> >>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual
> >>> infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel
> >>> Coronavirus appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not
> >>> particularly deadly.
> >>>
> >>
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

we had a good run

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:51 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> If either of us commit suicide tomorrow then it wasn't a suicide.
>
>
> On 2/10/2020 11:47 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> thats the secret, remember russia shafted the nazis last time... russia is
> in asia, so russians are asians. Taking them out of the running too
> Weve said too much
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Nazis also hate Communists.  It all fits.
>>
>>
>> On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This is obviously genetically
>> designed to target Asians. The proof is that 99% of infections are asians.
>> Obviously this is the resurgence of the Nazi party trying to eliminate a
>> majority of the population so they can initiate another run at global
>> domination. My neighbors mom, Karen told me that her friend, carols husband
>> Brad told her that he heard that this is what brexit was all about. Germany
>> and Great Britian are forming an alliance now. Its all hush hush, but there
>> is a shadow government of guess what... Nazis.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You mean.Nazi's created Coronavirus?
>>>
>>> On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> > I'm waiting for Godwin...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > bp
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> > On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> >> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a
>>> >> "conspiracy".
>>> >>
>>> >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the
>>> >> whole picture of what happened until more time passes. In the interim
>>> >> there's a lot of conflicting information going around. People latch
>>> >> onto early bits of information that turn out to be wrong and they
>>> >> won't let go of them.
>>> >>
>>> >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong
>>> Kong
>>> >>
>>> >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war
>>> >>
>>> >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I
>>> >> mean that one's obviously a joke.right?)
>>> >>
>>> >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival
>>> bunkers.
>>> >>
>>> >> China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or
>>> >> maybe they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all
>>> >> information so they're reporting what they think is true at the time
>>> >> it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook aren't all true.
>>> >>
>>> >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> >>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual
>>> >>> infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel
>>> >>> Coronavirus appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not
>>> >>> particularly deadly.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

Socialists are also communists, so don't be surprised if Coronavirus is 
genetically designed to kill Bernie.

We need to meme this and spread it on Facebook ASAP.

On 2/10/2020 11:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Nazis are socialists.  Bernie is a socialist.  Therefore Bernie is a 
Nazi.  So the Internet says.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 10:48 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

thats the secret, remember russia shafted the nazis last time... 
russia is in asia, so russians are asians. Taking them out of the 
running too Weve said too much

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:

Nazis also hate Communists.  It all fits.

On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This is obviously
genetically designed to target Asians. The proof is that 99%
of infections are asians. Obviously this is the resurgence of
the Nazi party trying to eliminate a majority of the
population so they can initiate another run at global
domination. My neighbors mom, Karen told me that her friend,
carols husband Brad told her that he heard that this is what
brexit was all about. Germany and Great Britian are forming an
alliance now. Its all hush hush, but there is a shadow
government of guess what... Nazis.

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

You mean.Nazi's created Coronavirus?

On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> I'm waiting for Godwin...
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally
everything is a
>> "conspiracy".
>>
>> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and
nobody has the
>> whole picture of what happened until more time passes.
In the interim
>> there's a lot of conflicting information going around.
People latch
>> onto early bits of information that turn out to be
wrong and they
>> won't let go of them.
>>
>> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract
press from Hong Kong
>>
>> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a
trade war
>>
>> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit
Mexican Lager (I
>> mean that one's obviously a joke.right?)
>>
>> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our
survival bunkers.
>>
>> China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus. 
Really? Or
>> maybe they just don't have a live real-time omniscient
feed of all
>> information so they're reporting what they think is
true at the time
>> it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook aren't all true.
>>
>> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.
>>>
>>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
>>>
>>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a
dozen actual
>>> infections. I am still thinking this is not a big
deal. Novel
>>> Coronavirus appears to be more infectious than SARS,
but not
>>> particularly deadly.
>>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

Nazis are socialists.  Bernie is a socialist.  Therefore Bernie is a Nazi.  So 
the Internet says.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 10:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

 

thats the secret, remember russia shafted the nazis last time... russia is in 
asia, so russians are asians. Taking them out of the running too Weve said 
too much

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Nazis also hate Communists.  It all fits.

 

On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This is obviously genetically designed 
to target Asians. The proof is that 99% of infections are asians. Obviously 
this is the resurgence of the Nazi party trying to eliminate a majority of the 
population so they can initiate another run at global domination. My neighbors 
mom, Karen told me that her friend, carols husband Brad told her that he heard 
that this is what brexit was all about. Germany and Great Britian are forming 
an alliance now. Its all hush hush, but there is a shadow government of guess 
what... Nazis.

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

You mean.Nazi's created Coronavirus?

On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> I'm waiting for Godwin...
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a 
>> "conspiracy".
>>
>> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the 
>> whole picture of what happened until more time passes. In the interim 
>> there's a lot of conflicting information going around. People latch 
>> onto early bits of information that turn out to be wrong and they 
>> won't let go of them.
>>
>> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong Kong
>>
>> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war
>>
>> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I 
>> mean that one's obviously a joke.right?)
>>
>> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival bunkers.
>>
>> China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or 
>> maybe they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all 
>> information so they're reporting what they think is true at the time 
>> it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook aren't all true.
>>
>> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.
>>>
>>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
>>>
>>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual 
>>> infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel 
>>> Coronavirus appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not 
>>> particularly deadly.
>>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

thats the secret, remember russia shafted the nazis last time... russia is
in asia, so russians are asians. Taking them out of the running too
Weve said too much

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Nazis also hate Communists.  It all fits.
>
>
> On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This is obviously genetically
> designed to target Asians. The proof is that 99% of infections are asians.
> Obviously this is the resurgence of the Nazi party trying to eliminate a
> majority of the population so they can initiate another run at global
> domination. My neighbors mom, Karen told me that her friend, carols husband
> Brad told her that he heard that this is what brexit was all about. Germany
> and Great Britian are forming an alliance now. Its all hush hush, but there
> is a shadow government of guess what... Nazis.
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> You mean.Nazi's created Coronavirus?
>>
>> On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> > I'm waiting for Godwin...
>> >
>> >
>> > bp
>> > 
>> >
>> > On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> >> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a
>> >> "conspiracy".
>> >>
>> >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the
>> >> whole picture of what happened until more time passes. In the interim
>> >> there's a lot of conflicting information going around. People latch
>> >> onto early bits of information that turn out to be wrong and they
>> >> won't let go of them.
>> >>
>> >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong Kong
>> >>
>> >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war
>> >>
>> >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I
>> >> mean that one's obviously a joke.right?)
>> >>
>> >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival
>> bunkers.
>> >>
>> >> China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or
>> >> maybe they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all
>> >> information so they're reporting what they think is true at the time
>> >> it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook aren't all true.
>> >>
>> >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> >>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.
>> >>>
>> >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
>> >>>
>> >>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual
>> >>> infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel
>> >>> Coronavirus appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not
>> >>> particularly deadly.
>> >>>
>> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)


Nazis also hate Communists.  It all fits.


On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This is obviously genetically 
designed to target Asians. The proof is that 99% of infections are 
asians. Obviously this is the resurgence of the Nazi party trying to 
eliminate a majority of the population so they can initiate another 
run at global domination. My neighbors mom, Karen told me that her 
friend, carols husband Brad told her that he heard that this is what 
brexit was all about. Germany and Great Britian are forming an 
alliance now. Its all hush hush, but there is a shadow government of 
guess what... Nazis.


On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


You mean.Nazi's created Coronavirus?

On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> I'm waiting for Godwin...
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally
everything is a
>> "conspiracy".
>>
>> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody
has the
>> whole picture of what happened until more time passes. In the
interim
>> there's a lot of conflicting information going around. People
latch
>> onto early bits of information that turn out to be wrong and they
>> won't let go of them.
>>
>> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from
Hong Kong
>>
>> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war
>>
>> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I
>> mean that one's obviously a joke.right?)
>>
>> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival
bunkers.
>>
>> China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or
>> maybe they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all
>> information so they're reporting what they think is true at the
time
>> it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook aren't all true.
>>
>> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.
>>>
>>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
>>>
>>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen
actual
>>> infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel
>>> Coronavirus appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not
>>> particularly deadly.
>>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

The johns hopkins graph levels every morning but recovers trajectory as the
day progresses. I think there is a delay in calculations at some point

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:41 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> You will note that the infections curve is starting to flatten.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/10/2020 8:34 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
>
> On 2/10/2020 11:28 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
>
> China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or maybe
> they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all information so
> they're reporting what they think is true at the time it's said, or maybe
> rumors on Facebook aren't all true.
>
>
> Well yes... except that the numbers being reported are oddly following a
> very specific amount increase each day which is now predictable in
> advance.  They appear to be using a formula.
>
>
> Actual infections can be predicted by algorithms too.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This is obviously genetically
designed to target Asians. The proof is that 99% of infections are asians.
Obviously this is the resurgence of the Nazi party trying to eliminate a
majority of the population so they can initiate another run at global
domination. My neighbors mom, Karen told me that her friend, carols husband
Brad told her that he heard that this is what brexit was all about. Germany
and Great Britian are forming an alliance now. Its all hush hush, but there
is a shadow government of guess what... Nazis.

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> You mean.Nazi's created Coronavirus?
>
> On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> > I'm waiting for Godwin...
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> >> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a
> >> "conspiracy".
> >>
> >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the
> >> whole picture of what happened until more time passes. In the interim
> >> there's a lot of conflicting information going around. People latch
> >> onto early bits of information that turn out to be wrong and they
> >> won't let go of them.
> >>
> >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong Kong
> >>
> >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war
> >>
> >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I
> >> mean that one's obviously a joke.right?)
> >>
> >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival bunkers.
> >>
> >> China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or
> >> maybe they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all
> >> information so they're reporting what they think is true at the time
> >> it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook aren't all true.
> >>
> >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.
> >>>
> >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
> >>>
> >>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual
> >>> infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel
> >>> Coronavirus appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not
> >>> particularly deadly.
> >>>
> >>
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)


  
  
You will note that the infections curve is starting to flatten.

bp



On 2/10/2020 8:34 AM, Adam Moffett
  wrote:


  
  On 2/10/2020 11:28 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
  
  

China is hiding all the information
  about Coronavirus.  Really? Or maybe they just don't have a
  live real-time omniscient feed of all information so they're
  reporting what they think is true at the time it's said, or
  maybe rumors on Facebook aren't all true.
  


Well yes... except that the numbers being reported are oddly
following a very specific amount increase each day which is now
predictable in advance.  They appear to be using a formula.

  
  
  Actual infections can be predicted by algorithms too.
  
  
  

  

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On 2/10/2020 11:28 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:


China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or 
maybe they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all 
information so they're reporting what they think is true at the time 
it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook aren't all true.


Well yes... except that the numbers being reported are oddly following 
a very specific amount increase each day which is now predictable in 
advance.  They appear to be using a formula.


Actual infections can be predicted by algorithms too.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)


You mean.Nazi's created Coronavirus?

On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

I'm waiting for Godwin...


bp


On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a 
"conspiracy".


Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the 
whole picture of what happened until more time passes. In the interim 
there's a lot of conflicting information going around. People latch 
onto early bits of information that turn out to be wrong and they 
won't let go of them.


Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong Kong

Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war

Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I 
mean that one's obviously a joke.right?)


Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival bunkers.

China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or 
maybe they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all 
information so they're reporting what they think is true at the time 
it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook aren't all true.


See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.



On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.

I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.

Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual 
infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel 
Coronavirus appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not 
particularly deadly.








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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

the two in chicago recovered

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:28 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> China is just collecting more souls for the terracotta army. stop
> listening to the other far flung conspiracy theories, I know this to be
> fact because there is a whole pinterest board about it
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:26 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a
>> "conspiracy".
>>
>> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the
>> whole picture of what happened until more time passes.  In the interim
>> there's a lot of conflicting information going around. People latch onto
>> early bits of information that turn out to be wrong and they won't let
>> go of them.
>>
>> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong Kong
>>
>> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war
>>
>> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I mean
>> that one's obviously a joke.right?)
>>
>> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival bunkers.
>>
>> China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or maybe
>> they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all information
>> so they're reporting what they think is true at the time it's said, or
>> maybe rumors on Facebook aren't all true.
>>
>> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> > Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.
>> >
>> > I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
>> >
>> > Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual
>> > infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel
>> > Coronavirus appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not
>> > particularly deadly.
>> >
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)


I'm waiting for Godwin...


bp


On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a 
"conspiracy".


Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the 
whole picture of what happened until more time passes.  In the interim 
there's a lot of conflicting information going around. People latch 
onto early bits of information that turn out to be wrong and they 
won't let go of them.


Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong Kong

Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war

Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I 
mean that one's obviously a joke.right?)


Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival bunkers.

China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or 
maybe they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all 
information so they're reporting what they think is true at the time 
it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook aren't all true.


See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.



On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.

I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.

Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual 
infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel 
Coronavirus appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not 
particularly deadly.






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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

China is just collecting more souls for the terracotta army. stop listening
to the other far flung conspiracy theories, I know this to be fact because
there is a whole pinterest board about it

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:26 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a
> "conspiracy".
>
> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the
> whole picture of what happened until more time passes.  In the interim
> there's a lot of conflicting information going around. People latch onto
> early bits of information that turn out to be wrong and they won't let
> go of them.
>
> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong Kong
>
> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war
>
> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I mean
> that one's obviously a joke.right?)
>
> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival bunkers.
>
> China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or maybe
> they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all information
> so they're reporting what they think is true at the time it's said, or
> maybe rumors on Facebook aren't all true.
>
> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
>
>
>
> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> > Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.
> >
> > I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
> >
> > Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual
> > infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel
> > Coronavirus appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not
> > particularly deadly.
> >
>
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China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or maybe 
they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all information 
so they're reporting what they think is true at the time it's said, or 
maybe rumors on Facebook aren't all true.


Well yes... except that the numbers being reported are oddly following a 
very specific amount increase each day which is now predictable in 
advance.  They appear to be using a formula.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

Notice they removed the number of cases in each state and just changed 
it to yes/no hard to plan with that, eh?

On 2/10/20 11:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html

Here in Illinois they are scare mongering. They announce that Champaign 
Urbana potentially has coronavirus, there are a couple PUI
But when you get far down into the articles  they make a point of 
skimming over the fact that they expanded the PUI criteria. eventually 
theyre just going to expand it to six degrees of kevin bacon so they can 
basically say everyone is a PUI and the entirety of the US is under 
observation. Its a joke and people are sheep

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:09 AM Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:

I'm hoping that's the case... what's frustrating is the inability to
get
proper numbers and information from China... they appear to be using a
Sigmoid function to release their death and infection rates -- which of
course is totally bogus.

As much as I don't wish ill on anyone, the cruise ships may prove to be
vital in fully understanding what this virus is capable of.

I also wonder if some of "the worst Flu season in some time" isn't the
result of this thing spreading but not affecting us here in the U.S. as
much.  I just spoke with a doctor friend of mine yesterday who said she
and her husband had some kind of terrible chest illness for a week
or so
where they would just cough up a wet gunk.

On 2/10/20 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
 > Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.
 >
 > I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
 >
 > Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual
 > infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel
 > Coronavirus appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not
 > particularly deadly.
 >

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a 
"conspiracy".


Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the 
whole picture of what happened until more time passes.  In the interim 
there's a lot of conflicting information going around. People latch onto 
early bits of information that turn out to be wrong and they won't let 
go of them.


Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong Kong

Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war

Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I mean 
that one's obviously a joke.right?)


Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival bunkers.

China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or maybe 
they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all information 
so they're reporting what they think is true at the time it's said, or 
maybe rumors on Facebook aren't all true.


See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.



On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.

I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.

Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual 
infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel 
Coronavirus appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not 
particularly deadly.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/report-offers-insights-why-early-
coronavirus-cases-may-have-been-n1131986
Original article in JAMA requires a subscription.

It's so reassuring that many of the original cases were actually acquired in
the hospital.  OK, many were health care workers, so perhaps expected.  But
still, there's the old saying that if you aren't sick already you will be if
you go to a hospital.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 10:04 AM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.

I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.

Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual
infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel Coronavirus
appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not particularly deadly.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html

Here in Illinois they are scare mongering. They announce that Champaign
Urbana potentially has coronavirus, there are a couple PUI
But when you get far down into the articles  they make a point of skimming
over the fact that they expanded the PUI criteria. eventually theyre just
going to expand it to six degrees of kevin bacon so they can basically say
everyone is a PUI and the entirety of the US is under observation. Its a
joke and people are sheep

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:09 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> I'm hoping that's the case... what's frustrating is the inability to get
> proper numbers and information from China... they appear to be using a
> Sigmoid function to release their death and infection rates -- which of
> course is totally bogus.
>
> As much as I don't wish ill on anyone, the cruise ships may prove to be
> vital in fully understanding what this virus is capable of.
>
> I also wonder if some of "the worst Flu season in some time" isn't the
> result of this thing spreading but not affecting us here in the U.S. as
> much.  I just spoke with a doctor friend of mine yesterday who said she
> and her husband had some kind of terrible chest illness for a week or so
> where they would just cough up a wet gunk.
>
> On 2/10/20 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> > Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.
> >
> > I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
> >
> > Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual
> > infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel
> > Coronavirus appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not
> > particularly deadly.
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

2020-02-10 Thread Ryan Hill

I thought this was good bathroom reading material on the subject, LOL

https://www.theepochtimes.com/footage-of-new-military-operated-coronavirus-hospital-in-wuhan-reveals-prison-like-environs_3225863.html?fbclid=IwAR12tIxf0_b-hjgP2mvEUJCz144xV7F2LhaKNAOlCXixDdGxU4vWMul5C80
 






  
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> On Feb 10, 2020, at 11:09 AM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm hoping that's the case... what's frustrating is the inability to get 
> proper numbers and information from China... they appear to be using a 
> Sigmoid function to release their death and infection rates -- which of 
> course is totally bogus.
> 
> As much as I don't wish ill on anyone, the cruise ships may prove to be vital 
> in fully understanding what this virus is capable of.
> 
> I also wonder if some of "the worst Flu season in some time" isn't the result 
> of this thing spreading but not affecting us here in the U.S. as much.  I 
> just spoke with a doctor friend of mine yesterday who said she and her 
> husband had some kind of terrible chest illness for a week or so where they 
> would just cough up a wet gunk.
> 
> On 2/10/20 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.
>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual 
>> infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel Coronavirus 
>> appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not particularly deadly.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

I'm hoping that's the case... what's frustrating is the inability to get 
proper numbers and information from China... they appear to be using a 
Sigmoid function to release their death and infection rates -- which of 
course is totally bogus.


As much as I don't wish ill on anyone, the cruise ships may prove to be 
vital in fully understanding what this virus is capable of.


I also wonder if some of "the worst Flu season in some time" isn't the 
result of this thing spreading but not affecting us here in the U.S. as 
much.  I just spoke with a doctor friend of mine yesterday who said she 
and her husband had some kind of terrible chest illness for a week or so 
where they would just cough up a wet gunk.


On 2/10/20 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.

I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.

Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual 
infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel 
Coronavirus appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not 
particularly deadly.




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[AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)


Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.

I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.

Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual 
infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel 
Coronavirus appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not 
particularly deadly.


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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

I am pissed though, because im wondering if the ship with my tools got
quarantined. it was 10-20 day shipping and that was january 11. I emailed
the contact and got no response, I assume the contact is in the new prison
hospital getting a lead based vaccine on his way to the incinerator.

Also, as long as its off topic, there is a plague of locusts in Africa.
Thats kind of bad, but will help with NLOS due to foliage

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 9:50 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Chinas numbers dont matter.
> The 300 or so outside china matter, and those numbers are currently of
> nearly zero concern since the only ones dying are people who were already
> compromised prior to leaving china where they were infected. Aside from the
> anticipated infections due to long term confinement in proximity on cruise
> ships, there have only been two infections outside china, and those two
> were intimate contact. If this were highly contagious, the hundreds of
> thousands of airplane passengers that were exposed would have spread this
> globally by now. I dont understand why people are still spouting the same
> rhetoric today as they were a month ago
>
> This, in the long term may be a very good thing for consumers. Between the
> suspicious trade practices, the tariffs, the shipping lead times, etc, Many
> manufacturers have to have given serious consideration to alternate
> sourcing. 25% tariffs, or zero shipping makes the increase in production
> costs much less risky. As production moves to other nations with low labor
> costs, the long term pricing prospects will balance out to chinese
> manufacturing costs. It will only take one major company to move
> manufacturing out to trigger the dominos. If the 4d chess conspiracies have
> any merit, its quite possible that the US created the kungflu to force
> production out of china.
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 8:29 AM Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
>
>> Can we re-start this thread as OT: as it's no longer strongly related to
>> WISP topics? Unless we wish to change the subject to equipment sourcing;
>> from my recent communications and attempts it seems like a big part of the
>> world's fiber SFPs are manufactured in the Shenzhen region.
>>
>> My understanding is that a high number of cases / deaths were not being
>> diagnosed as the disease as the Wuhan hospitals etc. are extremely
>> overloaded and test kits are hard to get / slow - some experts have said
>> that the true number of infections could be 100K+ by now.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 7:58 AM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> And Beijing is now on lock down.
>>>
>>> Still thinking this isn’t something to be concerned about?
>>>
>>> Chiba knows something they aren’t telling the rest of the world.
>>>
>>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 10:57 PM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I do expect some of the more nefarious vendors to make hay on this
>>> though. Just like they did on the tarrifs. Between kung flu and tarriffs,
>>> there arensome companies my boss will have to punch me in the mouth if he
>>> wants me to buy the gear.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020, 9:54 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This virus has beennknown at least since early december. It been known
 outside china since early january, well outside the 3 to 4 weeks. Still
 under 300 outside china. I literally ignore the china numbers, they have
 the worst air quality in recorded history on the planet.
 Kung flu is less concerning than west Nile, and i dont worry about that
 either

 On Sun, Feb 9, 2020, 8:27 PM Matt Hoppes <
 mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> It literally takes 3-4 weeks for the virus to peak. We are only just
> finding infected people now.
>
> Give it two more weeks and let’s see where we are.
>
> Remember there is a 14 day incubation phase where the carrier has no
> symptoms but is infectious.
>
> Then the person may become ill for a week or so, then feel better
> before becoming terminal.
>
> The entire timeline is about 4 weeks.
>
> > On Feb 9, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> >
> > None, zero, have been in the US. One in the Philipines. One in Hong
> Kong. All the rest in China. Only a dozen infections in the US; none fatal
> so far.
> >
> > 10,000 died from the flu in the US. 19 million flu infections in the
> US.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> >> On 2/9/2020 3:25 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >> Let me fix that for you:
> >> Coronavirus: 800 (that have been reported). Many more who have died
> without being tested. Also China marks cause of death as the final reason
> (eg Pneumonia, or Heart Attack).
> >>
> >> So the numbers being reported are not accurate.
> >>
> >>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Here is a counterpoint. So far this season, 10,000 people have
> died in the US from the flu.

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

Chinas numbers dont matter.
The 300 or so outside china matter, and those numbers are currently of
nearly zero concern since the only ones dying are people who were already
compromised prior to leaving china where they were infected. Aside from the
anticipated infections due to long term confinement in proximity on cruise
ships, there have only been two infections outside china, and those two
were intimate contact. If this were highly contagious, the hundreds of
thousands of airplane passengers that were exposed would have spread this
globally by now. I dont understand why people are still spouting the same
rhetoric today as they were a month ago

This, in the long term may be a very good thing for consumers. Between the
suspicious trade practices, the tariffs, the shipping lead times, etc, Many
manufacturers have to have given serious consideration to alternate
sourcing. 25% tariffs, or zero shipping makes the increase in production
costs much less risky. As production moves to other nations with low labor
costs, the long term pricing prospects will balance out to chinese
manufacturing costs. It will only take one major company to move
manufacturing out to trigger the dominos. If the 4d chess conspiracies have
any merit, its quite possible that the US created the kungflu to force
production out of china.

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 8:29 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> Can we re-start this thread as OT: as it's no longer strongly related to
> WISP topics? Unless we wish to change the subject to equipment sourcing;
> from my recent communications and attempts it seems like a big part of the
> world's fiber SFPs are manufactured in the Shenzhen region.
>
> My understanding is that a high number of cases / deaths were not being
> diagnosed as the disease as the Wuhan hospitals etc. are extremely
> overloaded and test kits are hard to get / slow - some experts have said
> that the true number of infections could be 100K+ by now.
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 7:58 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> And Beijing is now on lock down.
>>
>> Still thinking this isn’t something to be concerned about?
>>
>> Chiba knows something they aren’t telling the rest of the world.
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 10:57 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I do expect some of the more nefarious vendors to make hay on this
>> though. Just like they did on the tarrifs. Between kung flu and tarriffs,
>> there arensome companies my boss will have to punch me in the mouth if he
>> wants me to buy the gear.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020, 9:54 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This virus has beennknown at least since early december. It been known
>>> outside china since early january, well outside the 3 to 4 weeks. Still
>>> under 300 outside china. I literally ignore the china numbers, they have
>>> the worst air quality in recorded history on the planet.
>>> Kung flu is less concerning than west Nile, and i dont worry about that
>>> either
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020, 8:27 PM Matt Hoppes <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
 It literally takes 3-4 weeks for the virus to peak. We are only just
 finding infected people now.

 Give it two more weeks and let’s see where we are.

 Remember there is a 14 day incubation phase where the carrier has no
 symptoms but is infectious.

 Then the person may become ill for a week or so, then feel better
 before becoming terminal.

 The entire timeline is about 4 weeks.

 > On Feb 9, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
 >
 > None, zero, have been in the US. One in the Philipines. One in Hong
 Kong. All the rest in China. Only a dozen infections in the US; none fatal
 so far.
 >
 > 10,000 died from the flu in the US. 19 million flu infections in the
 US.
 >
 >
 > bp
 > 
 >
 >> On 2/9/2020 3:25 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
 >> Let me fix that for you:
 >> Coronavirus: 800 (that have been reported). Many more who have died
 without being tested. Also China marks cause of death as the final reason
 (eg Pneumonia, or Heart Attack).
 >>
 >> So the numbers being reported are not accurate.
 >>
 >>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill Prince 
 wrote:
 >>>
 >>> Here is a counterpoint. So far this season, 10,000 people have died
 in the US from the flu. That makes the score flu 10,000, coronavirus 0.
 >>>
 >>>
 https://www.pressenza.com/2020/02/the-flu-has-killed-1-americans-this-season/
 >>>
 >>> Maybe the appropriate action is (was?) to just get a flu shot.
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> bp
 >>> 
 >>>
  On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
  There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just
 started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe
 it's not the flu?

  2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is

Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

2020-02-10 Thread Josh Luthman

I'm asking out of curiosity.  My house is gas heat, so it's on a 15 amp
breaker (for the control board/thermostat).  My parents are on a mini split
and pellet stove.  Haven't seen a 40A hvac in a ~1300 sqft space.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:15 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> It's likely that there isn't 40A load on the 40A breaker.  The A/C
> installer would have sized it high if they had any brains.   However, the
> full picture here is that a bigger generator might cost a few thousand
> more, but buying it too small means buying it twice.
>
> If you cut it too close you can have the engine have trouble starting,
> stall when loads change, and wear out sooner than expected.  IMO you don't
> want "big enough", you want "excessively big".  I know I've harped on this
> point before, but if your two hot legs are unbalanced then there's more
> resistance on one side of the generator than the otherthe smaller the
> generator the easier it is to have problems with that.  How many people are
> bothering to check how well balanced the two hot legs are on their electric
> panel?  I got educated about that problem by an 8Kw generator with 13A on
> one leg and 2A on the other.  The engine ran noisy and stalled every few
> minutes, and we had to hastily rewire to fix it.  A bigger engine wouldn't
> have cared so much.  Chuck's suggestion of ((load + 50%) *2) is good sense
> for all of the above reasons.
>
> Also pick a Sunday morning sometime and shut off your main breaker for a
> few hours to see how well your generator carries everything.  You can turn
> the breaker back on if there's a problem, but if there's a problem during
> an outage you just have to suffer until it's over.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 2/10/2020 9:59 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Is that 40A HVAC an electric heater or something?  That's massive.
>
> I have a 30A two ton mini split that only pulls about 9 amps (110) at full
> throttle heat.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 9:04 AM  wrote:
>
>> If your HVAC is 240 then you have more HVAC load than that generator can
>> pull on just that one load.
>>
>> 40 amps x 240 Volts is 9600 Watts.
>>
>> 7.5 kW generac will only deliver 31 amps at 240 VAC  And you really don’t
>> want to load a generator up that much.  50% is a good derating factor.
>> Also,  generators publish their power output at sea level.
>>
>> Knock off 3% for every 1000’ above sea level and 2% for every 10 degrees
>> above 70 degrees F
>> Rounding up, you are close to 5000’ so that is 15% lost for altitude and
>> in the summer at 110 degrees that is another 8%.
>> So you lose as much as 23% of capacity  on a hot summer day.  Worse if
>> you power it from natural gas.
>>
>> I would add up all your loads, add 50% for growth then double that figure
>> for not loading the generator too much and to account for derating.
>>
>> The installation is the expensive part.  Don’t scrimp on kW at this stage
>> of the game.  Sounds to me like you need a 20 kW or more depending on your
>> true HVAC loads.
>>
>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 8, 2020 6:04 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Generator for office
>>
>>
>> I need a smaller footprint generator for my 1300 sqr foot office.
>>
>>
>>
>> Was thinking of getting the 50A 7.5KW Generac 6998 for $2050.00 that
>> includes the 50A transfer switch.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think my breakers has several 20A switches and 40A for the HVAC.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure if this would cover the power needed for the whole unit, or just
>> the fiber cabinet/rack I have that has max 20A circuit to it?
>>
>>
>>
>> The next highest power draw is probably the HVAC and/or water heater.
>>
>>
>>
>> The lights only draw about 500W since I switched them all to LED.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

It's likely that there isn't 40A load on the 40A breaker.  The A/C 
installer would have sized it high if they had any brains. However, the 
full picture here is that a bigger generator might cost a few thousand 
more, but buying it too small means buying it twice.


If you cut it too close you can have the engine have trouble starting, 
stall when loads change, and wear out sooner than expected.  IMO you 
don't want "big enough", you want "excessively big".  I know I've harped 
on this point before, but if your two hot legs are unbalanced then 
there's more resistance on one side of the generator than the 
otherthe smaller the generator the easier it is to have problems 
with that.  How many people are bothering to check how well balanced the 
two hot legs are on their electric panel?  I got educated about that 
problem by an 8Kw generator with 13A on one leg and 2A on the other.  
The engine ran noisy and stalled every few minutes, and we had to 
hastily rewire to fix it.  A bigger engine wouldn't have cared so much.  
Chuck's suggestion of ((load + 50%) *2) is good sense for all of the 
above reasons.


Also pick a Sunday morning sometime and shut off your main breaker for a 
few hours to see how well your generator carries everything.  You can 
turn the breaker back on if there's a problem, but if there's a problem 
during an outage you just have to suffer until it's over.


-Adam


On 2/10/2020 9:59 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Is that 40A HVAC an electric heater or something? That's massive.

I have a 30A two ton mini split that only pulls about 9 amps (110) at 
full throttle heat.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 9:04 AM > wrote:


If your HVAC is 240 then you have more HVAC load than that
generator can pull on just that one load.
40 amps x 240 Volts is 9600 Watts.
7.5 kW generac will only deliver 31 amps at 240 VAC  And you
really don’t want to load a generator up that much.  50% is a good
derating factor.  Also, generators publish their power output at
sea level.
Knock off 3% for every 1000’ above sea level and 2% for every 10
degrees above 70 degrees F
Rounding up, you are close to 5000’ so that is 15% lost for
altitude and in the summer at 110 degrees that is another 8%.
So you lose as much as 23% of capacity  on a hot summer day. 
Worse if you power it from natural gas.
I would add up all your loads, add 50% for growth then double that
figure for not loading the generator too much and to account for
derating.
The installation is the expensive part.  Don’t scrimp on kW at
this stage of the game.  Sounds to me like you need a 20 kW or
more depending on your true HVAC loads.
*From:* Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Saturday, February 8, 2020 6:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Generator for office

I need a smaller footprint generator for my 1300 sqr foot office.

Was thinking of getting the 50A 7.5KW Generac 6998 for $2050.00
that includes the 50A transfer switch.

I think my breakers has several 20A switches and 40A for the HVAC.

Not sure if this would cover the power needed for the whole unit,
or just the fiber cabinet/rack I have that has max 20A circuit to it?

The next highest power draw is probably the HVAC and/or water heater.

The lights only draw about 500W since I switched them all to LED.


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Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

2020-02-10 Thread Josh Luthman

Is that 40A HVAC an electric heater or something?  That's massive.

I have a 30A two ton mini split that only pulls about 9 amps (110) at full
throttle heat.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 9:04 AM  wrote:

> If your HVAC is 240 then you have more HVAC load than that generator can
> pull on just that one load.
>
> 40 amps x 240 Volts is 9600 Watts.
>
> 7.5 kW generac will only deliver 31 amps at 240 VAC  And you really don’t
> want to load a generator up that much.  50% is a good derating factor.
> Also,  generators publish their power output at sea level.
>
> Knock off 3% for every 1000’ above sea level and 2% for every 10 degrees
> above 70 degrees F
> Rounding up, you are close to 5000’ so that is 15% lost for altitude and
> in the summer at 110 degrees that is another 8%.
> So you lose as much as 23% of capacity  on a hot summer day.  Worse if you
> power it from natural gas.
>
> I would add up all your loads, add 50% for growth then double that figure
> for not loading the generator too much and to account for derating.
>
> The installation is the expensive part.  Don’t scrimp on kW at this stage
> of the game.  Sounds to me like you need a 20 kW or more depending on your
> true HVAC loads.
>
> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 8, 2020 6:04 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Generator for office
>
>
> I need a smaller footprint generator for my 1300 sqr foot office.
>
>
>
> Was thinking of getting the 50A 7.5KW Generac 6998 for $2050.00 that
> includes the 50A transfer switch.
>
>
>
> I think my breakers has several 20A switches and 40A for the HVAC.
>
>
>
> Not sure if this would cover the power needed for the whole unit, or just
> the fiber cabinet/rack I have that has max 20A circuit to it?
>
>
>
> The next highest power draw is probably the HVAC and/or water heater.
>
>
>
> The lights only draw about 500W since I switched them all to LED.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

2020-02-10 Thread Colin Stanners

Can we re-start this thread as OT: as it's no longer strongly related to
WISP topics? Unless we wish to change the subject to equipment sourcing;
from my recent communications and attempts it seems like a big part of the
world's fiber SFPs are manufactured in the Shenzhen region.

My understanding is that a high number of cases / deaths were not being
diagnosed as the disease as the Wuhan hospitals etc. are extremely
overloaded and test kits are hard to get / slow - some experts have said
that the true number of infections could be 100K+ by now.

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 7:58 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> And Beijing is now on lock down.
>
> Still thinking this isn’t something to be concerned about?
>
> Chiba knows something they aren’t telling the rest of the world.
>
> On Feb 9, 2020, at 10:57 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> I do expect some of the more nefarious vendors to make hay on this though.
> Just like they did on the tarrifs. Between kung flu and tarriffs, there
> arensome companies my boss will have to punch me in the mouth if he wants
> me to buy the gear.
>
> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020, 9:54 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> This virus has beennknown at least since early december. It been known
>> outside china since early january, well outside the 3 to 4 weeks. Still
>> under 300 outside china. I literally ignore the china numbers, they have
>> the worst air quality in recorded history on the planet.
>> Kung flu is less concerning than west Nile, and i dont worry about that
>> either
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020, 8:27 PM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> It literally takes 3-4 weeks for the virus to peak. We are only just
>>> finding infected people now.
>>>
>>> Give it two more weeks and let’s see where we are.
>>>
>>> Remember there is a 14 day incubation phase where the carrier has no
>>> symptoms but is infectious.
>>>
>>> Then the person may become ill for a week or so, then feel better before
>>> becoming terminal.
>>>
>>> The entire timeline is about 4 weeks.
>>>
>>> > On Feb 9, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > None, zero, have been in the US. One in the Philipines. One in Hong
>>> Kong. All the rest in China. Only a dozen infections in the US; none fatal
>>> so far.
>>> >
>>> > 10,000 died from the flu in the US. 19 million flu infections in the
>>> US.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > bp
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> >> On 2/9/2020 3:25 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> >> Let me fix that for you:
>>> >> Coronavirus: 800 (that have been reported). Many more who have died
>>> without being tested. Also China marks cause of death as the final reason
>>> (eg Pneumonia, or Heart Attack).
>>> >>
>>> >> So the numbers being reported are not accurate.
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Here is a counterpoint. So far this season, 10,000 people have died
>>> in the US from the flu. That makes the score flu 10,000, coronavirus 0.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> https://www.pressenza.com/2020/02/the-flu-has-killed-1-americans-this-season/
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Maybe the appropriate action is (was?) to just get a flu shot.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> bp
>>> >>> 
>>> >>>
>>>  On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>  There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just
>>> started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe
>>> it's not the flu?
>>> 
>>>  2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is
>>> happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly
>>> dangerous.
>>> 
>>>  In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on
>>> what's going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere
>>> in the world.
>>> 
>>>  The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7
>>> days to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is
>>> a very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.
>>> 
>>>  Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities
>>> because the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?
>>> 
>>> > On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> > You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust
>>> the reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2
>>> fatalities outside of mainland China.
>>> >
>>> > Just stay away from bat soup.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > bp
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> >> On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> >> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has
>>> caused China to:
>>> >>
>>> >> Send the president into hiding
>>> >> Build several emergency hospitals
>>> >> Lock down major cities
>>> >> Extend the CNY
>>> >> In some cases barricade people in their homes
>>> >> Daily fumigation of streets
>>> >> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
>>> >> People being forcibly

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock