Re: [AFMUG] AT microcells

[Tim Reichhart]

Looks like he is going need outside AP



 

-Original Message-
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Date: 04/03/20 10:45
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AT microcells


Except he walks outside his house and his call drops, because his WiFi doesn’t 
cover outside but the microcell did.

 


From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 9:22 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AT microcells


 

I was expecting this when WiFi calling started becoming real. Your Linksy 
router is your new femtocell. I say good riddance.

bp 

 

  

On 4/3/2020 3:56 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I had a customer tell me AT no longer supports microcells.  Can anyone 
confirm or refute?  I find that a little surprising.  He says the make you use 
WiFi calling instead.





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Re: [AFMUG] AT microcells

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Bummer dude. Our WiFi has always worked better than cell service.
  I never got a femtocell because I knew WiFi calling would happen
  soon enough.


bp



On 4/3/2020 7:44 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
Except he walks outside his house and his
  call drops, because his WiFi doesn’t cover outside but the
  microcell did.
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Bill
  Prince
  Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 9:22 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AT microcells
  

 
I was expecting this when WiFi calling started becoming real.
  Your Linksy router is your new femtocell. I say good riddance.
bp

 

  On 4/3/2020 3:56 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  I had a customer tell me AT no
longer supports microcells.  Can anyone confirm or refute? 
I find that a little surprising.  He says the make you use
WiFi calling instead.
  



  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] AT microcells

[Ken Hohhof]

Except he walks outside his house and his call drops, because his WiFi
doesn't cover outside but the microcell did.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 9:22 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AT microcells

 

I was expecting this when WiFi calling started becoming real. Your Linksy
router is your new femtocell. I say good riddance.

bp

 

On 4/3/2020 3:56 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I had a customer tell me AT no longer supports microcells.  Can anyone
confirm or refute?  I find that a little surprising.  He says the make you
use WiFi calling instead.





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Re: [AFMUG] AT microcells

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I was expecting this when WiFi calling started becoming real.
  Your Linksy router is your new femtocell. I say good riddance.

bp



On 4/3/2020 3:56 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
I had a customer tell me AT no longer
  supports microcells.  Can anyone confirm or refute?  I find
  that a little surprising.  He says the make you use WiFi
  calling instead.
  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] AT microcells

[Tim Reichhart]

that is true I have an microcell 3g one and it does not work anymore



 

-Original Message-
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Date: 04/03/20 10:14
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AT microcells

On their website:

"AT has discontinued sales of new AT MicroCells. You can use Wi-Fi Calling 
to talk and text over an active Wi-Fi connection where it's hard for a strong 
cellular signal to reach."
 ( From https://www.att.com/att/microcell/ )



I recently switched from postpaid to prepaid on our Verizon plan, and prepaid 
doesn't support cell extenders anymore, so we had to switch to wifi calling.  I 
can honestly say it's a better solution overall.   Not missing the extender at 
all.



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Re: [AFMUG] AT microcells

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

On their website:

"AT has discontinued sales of new AT MicroCells. You can use Wi-Fi
Calling to talk and text over an active Wi-Fi connection where it’s hard
for a strong cellular signal to reach."
 ( From https://www.att.com/att/microcell/ )

I recently switched from postpaid to prepaid on our Verizon plan, and
prepaid doesn't support cell extenders anymore, so we had to switch to wifi
calling.  I can honestly say it's a better solution overall.   Not missing
the extender at all.


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> confirm or refute?  I find that a little surprising.  He says the make you
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Re: [AFMUG] AF Digest, Vol 23, Issue 63

[Ryan McAfee]

I was told the same by AT about 2 weeks ago. One of my #dayjob executives
had one die and they were trying to get a replacement. ATT answered that
they are no longer supported and provided WiFi calling instructions.

Ryan

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Feeling a little sad...

[Mike Meluskey]

Had that argument today….my tower manager wants to buy 5 more 450i 
AP’s.
I’m like, that horse has seen better days…..let’s buy 5 more 
450m’s and use them to upgrade 5 heavily (40+ customers) loaded 
450i’s, and enjoy the all the goodness that comes from the marriage of 
Orthogon and Canopy.  And the new colt will one day run with 5ms frame 
times in 40Mhz channels, because everybody needs an AP that will deliver 
a Gig.


That being said, should we start a go-fund-me for Matt’s older 
children’s therapy sessions in 10 years?


On 3 Apr 2020, at 18:26, Daniel White wrote:


Matt clearly doesn't love his children once the next one is born.  He
probably took an FSK radio behind Cambium HQ and shot it during the 
430

days...

Mark don't de-install it... Matt is gonna off her too!

If you are a 450i AP... you have been warned...

photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766

Matt Mangriotis via AF wrote on 4/3/20 14:41:


**CLAP** **CLAP** **CLAP**

 

I am happy for you guys!!

 

Matt

 

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:* Friday, April 3, 2020 3:18 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* [ External ] [AFMUG] Feeling a little sad...

 

From Network Operations:



"We are down to just one 430 AP on the entire network. That AP is 
only

feeding one customer and is planned to be removed in the next few
weeks. Thank you everyone for your help in pushing this along to make
our customer's internet experience the best it can be.”



Farewell old friends…



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[AFMUG] AT microcells

[Ken Hohhof]

I had a customer tell me AT no longer supports microcells.  Can anyone
confirm or refute?  I find that a little surprising.  He says the make you
use WiFi calling instead.

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Feeling a little sad...

[Mark Radabaugh]

The run like champs.   What finally did them in was the desire to switch to 5ms 
frame timing and the need for the spectrum they were occupying.

Mark

> On Apr 3, 2020, at 5:39 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
> 
> We still have some 430s and lmg 430s running like a well oiled machine
> 
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 1:42 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF  > wrote:
> *CLAP* *CLAP* *CLAP*
> 
>  
> 
> I am happy for you guys!!
> 
>  
> 
> Matt
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Mark Radabaugh
> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 3:18 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] Feeling a little sad...
> 
>  
> 
> From Network Operations:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "We are down to just one 430 AP on the entire network. That AP is only 
> feeding one customer and is planned to be removed in the next few weeks. 
> Thank you everyone for your help in pushing this along to make our customer's 
> internet experience the best it can be.”
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Farewell old friends…
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Feeling a little sad...

[Bill Prince]

  
  
There was an old saying in the tech industry. Maybe still in use.
  "Eat your children."

bp



On 4/3/2020 3:26 PM, Daniel White
  wrote:


  
  Matt clearly
doesn't love his children once the next one is born.  He
probably took an FSK radio behind Cambium HQ and shot it during
the 430 days... 

Mark don't de-install it... Matt is gonna off her too!

If you are a 450i AP... you have been warned...

  

  


  

  
Daniel White
Co-Founder &
Managing Director of Operations
  
  
phone: +1 (702)
  470-2770
direct: +1 (702)
  470-2766

  

  

  

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Matt Mangriotis via AF wrote on 4/3/20 14:41:

  
  
  
  
*CLAP* *CLAP* *CLAP*
 
I am happy for you guys!!
 
Matt
 

  
From: AF 
  On Behalf Of 
  Mark Radabaugh
  Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 3:18 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] Feeling a little
  sad...
  

 

  From
  Network Operations:


  
  
  

"We
are down to just one 430 AP on the entire network. That
AP is only feeding one customer and is planned to be
removed in the next few weeks. Thank you everyone for
your help in pushing this along to make our customer's
internet experience the best it can be.”

  


  
  
  
Farewell
old friends…
  
  


  
  
  
Mark
  
  


  
  
  


  
  

  
  
  
  


  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Feeling a little sad...

[Daniel White]

Matt clearly doesn't love his children once the next one is born.  He
probably took an FSK radio behind Cambium HQ and shot it during the 430
days...

Mark don't de-install it... Matt is gonna off her too!

If you are a 450i AP... you have been warned...

photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
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direct:+1 (702) 470-2766

Matt Mangriotis via AF wrote on 4/3/20 14:41:
>
> **CLAP** **CLAP** **CLAP**
>
>  
>
> I am happy for you guys!!
>
>  
>
> Matt
>
>  
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Friday, April 3, 2020 3:18 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [ External ] [AFMUG] Feeling a little sad...
>
>  
>
> From Network Operations:
>
>
>
> "We are down to just one 430 AP on the entire network. That AP is only
> feeding one customer and is planned to be removed in the next few
> weeks. Thank you everyone for your help in pushing this along to make
> our customer's internet experience the best it can be.”
>
>
>
> Farewell old friends…
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Out of band access best practices

[fiberrun]

FYI, there are lots of other IoT SIM providers. For example 1NCE is 10 euros for 10 years with 500 MB of data. Top ups are 10 euros per 500 MB. Global coverage. Disclaimer: haven't used it.

 

There are others at a buck or two per month for larger data amounts. Apparently T-Mobile has an unlimited IoT SIM for $25/year capped at 64 kbps.

 

Jared

 
 

Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020
From: "TJ Trout" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Out of band access best practices


All,
 

I bought some opengear acm's that I am working on deploying. 

 

I have options for oob IP and or console access. 

 

Wondering what you guys do / best practices. 

 

I think I will use hologram.io cellular because I can access the acm by tunneling through their nat. 

 

Alternative might be a $10 DSL connection.

 

The idea here is being able to troubleshoot core routing equipment during an outage when I'm off net or even on net but no ip access. 

 

TJ

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Feeling a little sad...

[TJ Trout]

We still have some 430s and lmg 430s running like a well oiled machine

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 1:42 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF  wrote:

> **CLAP** **CLAP** **CLAP**
>
>
>
> I am happy for you guys!!
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Friday, April 3, 2020 3:18 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [ External ] [AFMUG] Feeling a little sad...
>
>
>
> From Network Operations:
>
>
>
> "We are down to just one 430 AP on the entire network. That AP is only
> feeding one customer and is planned to be removed in the next few weeks.
> Thank you everyone for your help in pushing this along to make our
> customer's internet experience the best it can be.”
>
>
>
> Farewell old friends…
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Speed Tests

[Steven Kenney]

No QOS in the AP's or SM's for ePMP. 

Its like we get a random bad batch of them that don't like speed tests. 

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From: "Nate Burke"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:59:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Speed Tests 

If you are using the QOS in the AP, I think the linktest will only use what is 
not already consumed by the SM. It's not intrusive like the FSK/450 test was. 

On an SM with no other traffic, I always see the linktest to be what the QOS is 
set to. 

I have just started upgrading sites to 4.4.3, and have some EPMP3000 AP's out 
there. Randomly now, I will have an sm return 'linktest failed' when testing an 
EPMP1000SM to and EPMP3000 AP. Then the next text will work fine. 

On 4/2/2020 1:53 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote: 



This has not been our experience. We do not rate-limit at the SM. We primarily 
rate-limit PPPoE at the core. We've found that our speedtest are usually 10-15% 
below the linktest results. 

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:30 PM Steven Kenney < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | 
st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

No example we'll get link tests at 80Mbps or higher and then their package is 
set to 25Mbps. We can see they are doing 20Mbps during the evenings etc. But 
when we go do a speed test anywhere it'll be 8 no matter what. 

I've confirmed the shaping of their connection is set to 100% to be sure. 

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From: "Josh Luthman" < [ mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ] [ 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com | j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ] > 
To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:23:59 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Speed Tests 

Linktest you mean? I've found it's 10% within TCP/UDP capacity. 
I'm exclusively 3.5.6 on epmp1000/2000 - no 4.x yet 

Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 2:07 PM Steven Kenney < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org ] 
[ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Anyone have issues with certain model ePMP's not being able to get their speed 
tests? Even though their link tests are fine and more than capable, and we see 
customers traffic going much higher than the speed tests! It won't matter where 
we run the speed tests, they are always low. 

It only seems to be a handful of epmp radios. Not all. Mainly on 4.4.3 
firmware. 

We have been scratching our heads on this one. 

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Re: [AFMUG] 40Gbps+ Mikrotiks

[Steven Kenney]

There it is thanks. Looks sweeet. Don't see the routers though those links in 
the forum didn't work. Maybe its supposed to be super secret still :) Thanks 
for the ray of hope though. 

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From: "TJ Trout"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:39:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 40Gbps+ Mikrotiks 

[ https://mikrotik.com/product/crs326_24s_2q_rm | 
https://mikrotik.com/product/crs326_24s_2q_rm ] ?? 

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020, 11:13 AM Steven Kenney < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | 
st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: 



Anyone try the new 2Q switches? I saw one with 8+ SFP+ ports and some QSFP+ 
Ports but it looks like they pulled it from its website. Only the 48 port 
ethernet show now. 

With that being said if they are dipping into 40G now, how long before we see a 
new CCR with 40+? Anyone have an inside scoop on whether a new CCR is coming? 

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[SmarterBroadband]

That is a thing of beauty….

 

Let us know the price when you find out….

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 10:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

 

Anyone look at this Hybrid fiber/DC from Eupen?
https://www.eupen.us/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=FIBER 
 
_Code=EUPEN 

 

I am afraid to call and ask them the price. 

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:54 AM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote:

  m...@savvitechnologies.com - they are 
actually built in China but we just pay shipping from his WH in SC.  Takes time 
though so we order in quantity.  

Our Purchase description looks like this.  "Genuine Corning or OFS EZBEND 4.8 
ruggedized black jumper SCAPC to SCUPC 100ft" - Change the description to what 
you want, i.e SCUPC to SCUPC XXXft.  

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:47 AM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote:

I'd recommend using SCA  cassettes and SCA-SCU OD patch cables. (or SCU 
cassettes and SCU-SCU cables)  I've got a source in SC that builds the patch 
cables out of 4.8MM OD cable - You can also source them from Corning etc.  Much 
easier to get an outdoor simplex patch cable in SC rather than LC.  We've 
standardized on SCA for our plant because we do a lot of GPON and that is the 
defacto standard.

 

If you are new to MPO/MPT, pay attention to male/female pins and to polarity.  
They will try to get you to do A on one end and B on the other because they 
don't understand that you want it for BiDi and want straight through.  Use A on 
both ends for straight through.  

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:28 AM Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Got it.  Yeah, I meant to link to a SM cassette (not MM).  

 

Thanks, Mark & Jared.

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure you have 
the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering BiDi optics 
that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx on the other.   
You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.

 

Mark

On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com   wrote:

 

I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you linked 
to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have 
spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll be 
fine.

 

Jared

  

  

Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020
From: "Josh Baird" mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here.. 

 

Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex cassettes 
[2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi SFP's so that 
I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the correct BiDi SFP's, 
will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that are linked here?  I have 
always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no experience with BiDi.

 

[1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html 

[2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html

  

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is what I 
am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower. 

 

1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)

https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but available 
immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)

https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor version 
but takes 30 days to get here from Asia) 

 

2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex Cassette" 
(tower top this will be in an enclosure)

https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html  

 

3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top 
enclosure to each radio SFP

https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856 

 

4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of multi-conductor 
wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4 conductors. If wired 
properly you could individually power 3 radios and use a common ground wire and 
still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the ground. If I need 6 radios I 
will run a second cord. My towers are only 150' tall so I think 12 guage should 
be more than big enough for me even with Medusa AP's.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
  

 

I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top enclosure 
and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Feeling a little sad...

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

*CLAP* *CLAP* *CLAP*

I am happy for you guys!!

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 3:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] Feeling a little sad...

From Network Operations:


"We are down to just one 430 AP on the entire network. That AP is only feeding 
one customer and is planned to be removed in the next few weeks. Thank you 
everyone for your help in pushing this along to make our customer's internet 
experience the best it can be.”


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Re: [AFMUG] Feeling a little sad...

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Leave it up for historical value Mark! Don't take the last one down, I
still have some tranzeo's in the network!

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 4:18 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> From Network Operations:
>
> "We are down to just one 430 AP on the entire network. That AP is only
> feeding one customer and is planned to be removed in the next few weeks.
> Thank you everyone for your help in pushing this along to make our
> customer's internet experience the best it can be.”
>
> Farewell old friends…
>
> Mark
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[AFMUG] Out of band access best practices

[TJ Trout]

All,

I bought some opengear acm's that I am working on deploying.

I have options for oob IP and or console access.

Wondering what you guys do / best practices.

I think I will use hologram.io cellular because I can access the acm by
tunneling through their nat.

Alternative might be a $10 DSL connection.

The idea here is being able to troubleshoot core routing equipment during
an outage when I'm off net or even on net but no ip access.

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From Network Operations:

"We are down to just one 430 AP on the entire network. That AP is only feeding 
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Dave,

You power all your DC sites down during lightning storms?

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:40 PM Josh Baird  wrote:

> What are you using for DC surge suppression at the top and bottom?
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:23 PM dave via AF  wrote:
>
>>
>> We dont do batteries for our larger sites that have 4 or more of these we
>> have mostly 3Ghz medusas.
>> Its Genny or nothing. Until I can get a perfected lightning detector for
>> an all battery backup site I just dont do it anymore.
>> Its too risky for continuous run during a lightning storm. Too many dc
>> factors to cause overload or damage.
>> You may get away with doing 10awg for 2. I just know for 6 I had have a
>> minimal of 8awg which included 4 450m 3Ghz and 2 450m 5Ghz
>> We ran all the cables into a tower top enclosure which included a
>> hardened switch and packetflux rack injector for timing using dinrails and
>> buss bar
>> to keep everything in order and some din rail mounted lugs to distribute
>> power and fuse buss we also installed a transtector 48v dc arrestor top and
>> bottom for
>> the main line protection. We also included all Lpus for each medusa for
>> both Dc line and ethernet.
>>
>> The site has been in play for a while now with out issue.
>>
>> Hope this will help others trying to deploy these big guys.
>> Using the large riser wire 8awg is not over kill for the medusa at all
>> just do some simple surge protection top and bottom and everything should
>> be fine.
>> I mean I think about how we just spent $ on a single medusa why not
>> give it what it needs to perform and sustain.
>>
>> Plus if you ever expand the site with other gear it needs power too.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/2/20 9:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Agreed.  And I think actual power consumption is closer to 65 or 70W.
>> Maybe the 80W number is at startup or extremes of temperature or something.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have 2 of them on one tower and 1 on another powered via POE over
>> cables right at the 100 meter limit, so >300 feet.  So they are powered
>> over 4 x 24AWG wires in parallel.  2 in parallel is equivalent to 3 wire
>> gauges, 4 in parallel is equivalent to 6 wire gauges.  So 4 x 24 AWG is
>> equivalent to 1 x 18 AWG.  So nothing even close to 12 AWG much less 8 AWG
>> is needed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh, and spec sheet says input voltage range is 40-60 volts.
>>
>>
>>
>> 3 GHz version is a beast and the power consumption scares me.  That’s a
>> lot of batteries.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *Josh Baird
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 7:55 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not following these requirements for the 450M.
>>
>>
>>
>> The 450M @ 5ghz uses ~80W peak (if you aren't using the AUX port).  This
>> is about 1.6A @ 48V.
>>
>>
>>
>> 12AWG cable with 56V at 250ft has a voltage drop of ~2.8% resulting in
>> 54.5V at the top of the tower.  The 450M should run just fine at 54.5V
>> according to the spec sheet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Obviously, the 3ghz 450M requires much more power, but still should be
>> fine using 12AWG @ 250ft.
>>
>>
>>
>> What am I missing?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 6:24 PM dave via AF  wrote:
>>
>> That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or something
>> equivalent.
>>  If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair pvc
>> jacket or better for outdoor operation.
>> We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 hybrid
>> cable that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250'
>> We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
>> We also use Duracomms
>> https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/
>> Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
>> Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC those beast
>> need lol.
>> We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8
>> stranded pairs up the tower for power.
>> Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff.
>>
>>
>> On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>
>> I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper
>> pre-terminated cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let me
>> know the fiber count, connector type and lengths you would want...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt  wrote:
>>
>> What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Josh Baird]

What are you using for DC surge suppression at the top and bottom?

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:23 PM dave via AF  wrote:

>
> We dont do batteries for our larger sites that have 4 or more of these we
> have mostly 3Ghz medusas.
> Its Genny or nothing. Until I can get a perfected lightning detector for
> an all battery backup site I just dont do it anymore.
> Its too risky for continuous run during a lightning storm. Too many dc
> factors to cause overload or damage.
> You may get away with doing 10awg for 2. I just know for 6 I had have a
> minimal of 8awg which included 4 450m 3Ghz and 2 450m 5Ghz
> We ran all the cables into a tower top enclosure which included a hardened
> switch and packetflux rack injector for timing using dinrails and buss bar
> to keep everything in order and some din rail mounted lugs to distribute
> power and fuse buss we also installed a transtector 48v dc arrestor top and
> bottom for
> the main line protection. We also included all Lpus for each medusa for
> both Dc line and ethernet.
>
> The site has been in play for a while now with out issue.
>
> Hope this will help others trying to deploy these big guys.
> Using the large riser wire 8awg is not over kill for the medusa at all
> just do some simple surge protection top and bottom and everything should
> be fine.
> I mean I think about how we just spent $ on a single medusa why not
> give it what it needs to perform and sustain.
>
> Plus if you ever expand the site with other gear it needs power too.
>
>
>
> On 4/2/20 9:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Agreed.  And I think actual power consumption is closer to 65 or 70W.
> Maybe the 80W number is at startup or extremes of temperature or something.
>
>
>
> I have 2 of them on one tower and 1 on another powered via POE over cables
> right at the 100 meter limit, so >300 feet.  So they are powered over 4 x
> 24AWG wires in parallel.  2 in parallel is equivalent to 3 wire gauges, 4
> in parallel is equivalent to 6 wire gauges.  So 4 x 24 AWG is equivalent to
> 1 x 18 AWG.  So nothing even close to 12 AWG much less 8 AWG is needed.
>
>
>
> Oh, and spec sheet says input voltage range is 40-60 volts.
>
>
>
> 3 GHz version is a beast and the power consumption scares me.  That’s a
> lot of batteries.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 7:55 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>
>
>
> I'm not following these requirements for the 450M.
>
>
>
> The 450M @ 5ghz uses ~80W peak (if you aren't using the AUX port).  This
> is about 1.6A @ 48V.
>
>
>
> 12AWG cable with 56V at 250ft has a voltage drop of ~2.8% resulting in
> 54.5V at the top of the tower.  The 450M should run just fine at 54.5V
> according to the spec sheet.
>
>
>
> Obviously, the 3ghz 450M requires much more power, but still should be
> fine using 12AWG @ 250ft.
>
>
>
> What am I missing?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 6:24 PM dave via AF  wrote:
>
> That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or something
> equivalent.
>  If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair pvc
> jacket or better for outdoor operation.
> We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 hybrid
> cable that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250'
> We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
> We also use Duracomms
> https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/
> Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
> Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC those beast
> need lol.
> We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8 stranded
> pairs up the tower for power.
> Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff.
>
>
> On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
> I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper pre-terminated
> cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let me know the fiber
> count, connector type and lengths you would want...
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt  wrote:
>
> What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Ken Hohhof]

OK, I don’t think everyone followed that you were talking about DC power for up 
to 6 450m sectors.  Especially with the talk about hybrid cable.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of dave via AF
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 2:22 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: dave 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

 


We dont do batteries for our larger sites that have 4 or more of these we have 
mostly 3Ghz medusas. 
Its Genny or nothing. Until I can get a perfected lightning detector for an all 
battery backup site I just dont do it anymore. 
Its too risky for continuous run during a lightning storm. Too many dc factors 
to cause overload or damage. 
You may get away with doing 10awg for 2. I just know for 6 I had have a minimal 
of 8awg which included 4 450m 3Ghz and 2 450m 5Ghz
We ran all the cables into a tower top enclosure which included a hardened 
switch and packetflux rack injector for timing using dinrails and buss bar 
to keep everything in order and some din rail mounted lugs to distribute power 
and fuse buss we also installed a transtector 48v dc arrestor top and bottom 
for 
the main line protection. We also included all Lpus for each medusa for both Dc 
line and ethernet. 

The site has been in play for a while now with out issue. 

Hope this will help others trying to deploy these big guys. 
Using the large riser wire 8awg is not over kill for the medusa at all just do 
some simple surge protection top and bottom and everything should be fine.
I mean I think about how we just spent $ on a single medusa why not give it 
what it needs to perform and sustain. 

Plus if you ever expand the site with other gear it needs power too. 






On 4/2/20 9:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Agreed.  And I think actual power consumption is closer to 65 or 70W.  Maybe 
the 80W number is at startup or extremes of temperature or something.

 

I have 2 of them on one tower and 1 on another powered via POE over cables 
right at the 100 meter limit, so >300 feet.  So they are powered over 4 x 24AWG 
wires in parallel.  2 in parallel is equivalent to 3 wire gauges, 4 in parallel 
is equivalent to 6 wire gauges.  So 4 x 24 AWG is equivalent to 1 x 18 AWG.  So 
nothing even close to 12 AWG much less 8 AWG is needed.

 

Oh, and spec sheet says input voltage range is 40-60 volts.

 

3 GHz version is a beast and the power consumption scares me.  That’s a lot of 
batteries.

 

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 7:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

 

I'm not following these requirements for the 450M.

 

The 450M @ 5ghz uses ~80W peak (if you aren't using the AUX port).  This is 
about 1.6A @ 48V.

 

12AWG cable with 56V at 250ft has a voltage drop of ~2.8% resulting in 54.5V at 
the top of the tower.  The 450M should run just fine at 54.5V according to the 
spec sheet.

 

Obviously, the 3ghz 450M requires much more power, but still should be fine 
using 12AWG @ 250ft.  

 

What am I missing? 

 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 6:24 PM dave via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or something 
equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair pvc jacket 
or better for outdoor operation. 
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 hybrid cable 
that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250' 
We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated  
We also use Duracomms  
https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/
Note we use the 50Amp version of this. 
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC those beast need 
lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8 stranded 
pairs up the tower for power. 
Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff. 




On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper pre-terminated 
cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let me know the fiber count, 
connector type and lengths you would want... 

 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> > wrote:

What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

[Robert Andrews]

On and off would be ok, I can sleep through that.   The flood lights 
illuminating the faintest shadow on the roof over my bed.   Yeah, gonna 
stop that sometime...


On 04/03/2020 11:57 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
You must be my neighbor.  My motion sensing flood lights go on almost 
every night.  Deer, cats, something is turning them on.


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 12:21 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

That's the hard part about mine, it's 1300fps and noisy as a 22.   So I
can't use it in the neighborhood.   Even though I would love to put out
the neighbor's super bright backyard light he leaves on overnight...

On 04/03/2020 09:05 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
My pellet gun is close to that. Shoots a 22 gauge pellet at 1100 fps. 
Almost as good as a regular 22, but way more quiet.



bp


On 4/3/2020 8:43 AM, Robert wrote:

The BB gun I have would go through Levi's at 40 yards..

On 4/3/20 8:16 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Shotgun and rock salt is more memorable.

Mark

On Apr 3, 2020, at 11:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
 wrote:


Get a bb gun and pop them in the butt if you see them outside.
*From:* justsumname .
*Sent:* Friday, April 3, 2020 7:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
What's going to keep this thing happening is the people who 
disregard guidance of how to prevent spreading.
We're not just dealing with a virus.   We're dealing with skeptical 
and disrespectful and disrespectable people.

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Ima gonna put up a fence between here and you...
*From:* Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:42 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
I just found out this morning that my literal backyard neighbor 
has tested positive for Covid-19.
He and his wife tested positive, his parents who live the basement 
also tested positive, his mom of which is in the hospital.

So….. We are a bit freaked out.
Fortunately we haven’t had physical contact with them in weeks.
However I’ve noticed their kids were in the field, our shared 
backyard, playing with other neighbor kids within the past two weeks.
We don’t let our boys anywhere near anyone else for about two 
weeks now anyways, so I’m praying we don’t have it (yet).
On another note, I think our main field tech might have contracted 
it.
He’s not feeling so well, we told him to go home for a couple of 
weeks.
 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

[Robert Andrews]

Don't do that...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon-Erik_Hexum


On 04/03/2020 11:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
A friend of mine was horsing around with his brother.  He took a 38 
automatic and pulled the bullet off one of the cartridges and mashed a 
soft bar of soap into it to keep the powder in.  We used to call these 
soap loads.  Others did it with wax.  He shot his brother at a range of 
about 10 feet right in the area of the heart.  Blood immediately soaked 
the shirt, the brother fell to the floor exclaiming “I am dying”.  After 
the brother did not in fact die, he appreciated the joke.  Pretty funny 
we all thought.  He had a hell of a bruise but no real damage.  Maybe 
some subcutaneous soap.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, April 3, 2020 10:30 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
i have a bb in my abdomen from funtimes, shows up periodically in xrays. 
We didnt tell nobody nuthin about why i was bleeding from my belly

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:27 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

At age 13 I shot a kid in the leg with a .177 pneumatic which was
fully pumped up.  He went to the hospital to have the BB removed.

.turns out any gunshot wound has to be reported to the police.
That turned into a not fun day.

On the other hand that guy learned not to try and shove snow down
the pants of an armed individual.  That's worth it.  I probably
saved his life. ;)

On 4/3/2020 12:21 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Just a regular old spring powered lever action BB gun hurts like a
MF if you catch a BB in your butt.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, April 3, 2020 10:13 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

That's a pneumatic rifle?  1100fps is about the speed of sound. 
That's got to be about at the limit for an air gun.


On 4/3/2020 12:05 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


My pellet gun is close to that. Shoots a 22 gauge pellet at 1100
fps. Almost as good as a regular 22, but way more quiet.

bp


On 4/3/2020 8:43 AM, Robert wrote:

The BB gun I have would go through Levi's at 40 yards..

On 4/3/20 8:16 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Shotgun and rock salt is more memorable.
Mark


On Apr 3, 2020, at 11:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Get a bb gun and pop them in the butt if you see them outside.
*From:* justsumname .
*Sent:* Friday, April 3, 2020 7:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
What's going to keep this thing happening is the people who
disregard guidance of how to prevent spreading.
We're not just dealing with a virus.   We're dealing with
skeptical and disrespectful and disrespectable people.
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On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:52 PM  wrote:

Ima gonna put up a fence between here and you...
*From:* Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:42 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
I just found out this morning that my literal backyard
neighbor has tested positive for Covid-19.
He and his wife tested positive, his parents who live the
basement also tested positive, his mom of which is in the
hospital.
So….. We are a bit freaked out.
Fortunately we haven’t had physical contact with them in weeks.
However I’ve noticed their kids were in the field, our shared
backyard, playing with other neighbor kids within the past
two weeks.
We don’t let our boys anywhere near anyone else for about two
weeks now anyways, so I’m praying we don’t have it (yet).
On another note, I think our main field tech might have
contracted it.
He’s not feeling so well, we told him to go home for a couple
of weeks.

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[dave via AF]

We dont do batteries for our larger sites that have 4 or more of these 
we have mostly 3Ghz medusas.
Its Genny or nothing. Until I can get a perfected lightning detector for 
an all battery backup site I just dont do it anymore.
Its too risky for continuous run during a lightning storm. Too many dc 
factors to cause overload or damage.
You may get away with doing 10awg for 2. I just know for 6 I had have a 
minimal of 8awg which included 4 450m 3Ghz and 2 450m 5Ghz
We ran all the cables into a tower top enclosure which included a 
hardened switch and packetflux rack injector for timing using dinrails 
and buss bar
to keep everything in order and some din rail mounted lugs to distribute 
power and fuse buss we also installed a transtector 48v dc arrestor top 
and bottom for
the main line protection. We also included all Lpus for each medusa for 
both Dc line and ethernet.


The site has been in play for a while now with out issue.

Hope this will help others trying to deploy these big guys.
Using the large riser wire 8awg is not over kill for the medusa at all 
just do some simple surge protection top and bottom and everything 
should be fine.
I mean I think about how we just spent $ on a single medusa why not 
give it what it needs to perform and sustain.


Plus if you ever expand the site with other gear it needs power too.



On 4/2/20 9:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Agreed.  And I think actual power consumption is closer to 65 or 70W.  
Maybe the 80W number is at startup or extremes of temperature or 
something.


I have 2 of them on one tower and 1 on another powered via POE over 
cables right at the 100 meter limit, so >300 feet.  So they are 
powered over 4 x 24AWG wires in parallel.  2 in parallel is equivalent 
to 3 wire gauges, 4 in parallel is equivalent to 6 wire gauges.  So 4 
x 24 AWG is equivalent to 1 x 18 AWG.  So nothing even close to 12 AWG 
much less 8 AWG is needed.


Oh, and spec sheet says input voltage range is 40-60 volts.

3 GHz version is a beast and the power consumption scares me.  That’s 
a lot of batteries.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
*Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 7:55 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

I'm not following these requirements for the 450M.

The 450M @ 5ghz uses ~80W peak (if you aren't using the AUX port).  
This is about 1.6A @ 48V.


12AWG cable with 56V at 250ft has a voltage drop of ~2.8% resulting in 
54.5V at the top of the tower.  The 450M should run just fine at 54.5V 
according to the spec sheet.


Obviously, the 3ghz 450M requires much more power, but still should be 
fine using 12AWG @ 250ft.


What am I missing?

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 6:24 PM dave via AF > wrote:


That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or
something equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair
pvc jacket or better for outdoor operation.
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10
hybrid cable that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250'
We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
We also use Duracomms

https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/
Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC
those beast need lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8
stranded pairs up the tower for power.
Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff.


On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper
pre-terminated cables... if anyone has a desire for such a
thing, let me know the fiber count, connector type and lengths
you would want...

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt
mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:

What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for
connectors?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

[chuck]

You must be my neighbor.  My motion sensing flood lights go on almost every 
night.  Deer, cats, something is turning them on.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 12:21 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

That's the hard part about mine, it's 1300fps and noisy as a 22.   So I
can't use it in the neighborhood.   Even though I would love to put out
the neighbor's super bright backyard light he leaves on overnight...

On 04/03/2020 09:05 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
My pellet gun is close to that. Shoots a 22 gauge pellet at 1100 fps. 
Almost as good as a regular 22, but way more quiet.



bp


On 4/3/2020 8:43 AM, Robert wrote:

The BB gun I have would go through Levi's at 40 yards..

On 4/3/20 8:16 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Shotgun and rock salt is more memorable.

Mark

On Apr 3, 2020, at 11:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  
wrote:


Get a bb gun and pop them in the butt if you see them outside.
*From:* justsumname .
*Sent:* Friday, April 3, 2020 7:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
What's going to keep this thing happening is the people who disregard 
guidance of how to prevent spreading.
We're not just dealing with a virus.   We're dealing with skeptical and 
disrespectful and disrespectable people.

--
On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:52 PM  wrote:

Ima gonna put up a fence between here and you...
*From:* Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:42 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
I just found out this morning that my literal backyard neighbor has 
tested positive for Covid-19.
He and his wife tested positive, his parents who live the basement 
also tested positive, his mom of which is in the hospital.

So….. We are a bit freaked out.
Fortunately we haven’t had physical contact with them in weeks.
However I’ve noticed their kids were in the field, our shared 
backyard, playing with other neighbor kids within the past two weeks.
We don’t let our boys anywhere near anyone else for about two weeks 
now anyways, so I’m praying we don’t have it (yet).

On another note, I think our main field tech might have contracted it.
He’s not feeling so well, we told him to go home for a couple of 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

[chuck]

A friend of mine was horsing around with his brother.  He took a 38 automatic 
and pulled the bullet off one of the cartridges and mashed a soft bar of soap 
into it to keep the powder in.  We used to call these soap loads.  Others did 
it with wax.  He shot his brother at a range of about 10 feet right in the area 
of the heart.  Blood immediately soaked the shirt, the brother fell to the 
floor exclaiming “I am dying”.  After the brother did not in fact die, he 
appreciated the joke.  Pretty funny we all thought.  He had a hell of a bruise 
but no real damage.  Maybe some subcutaneous soap.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 10:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

i have a bb in my abdomen from funtimes, shows up periodically in xrays. We 
didnt tell nobody nuthin about why i was bleeding from my belly 


On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:27 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  At age 13 I shot a kid in the leg with a .177 pneumatic which was fully 
pumped up.  He went to the hospital to have the BB removed.

  .turns out any gunshot wound has to be reported to the police.  That 
turned into a not fun day.  


  On the other hand that guy learned not to try and shove snow down the pants 
of an armed individual.  That's worth it.  I probably saved his life. ;)




  On 4/3/2020 12:21 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Just a regular old spring powered lever action BB gun hurts like a MF if 
you catch a BB in your butt.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 10:13 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

That's a pneumatic rifle?  1100fps is about the speed of sound.  That's got 
to be about at the limit for an air gun.



On 4/3/2020 12:05 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

  My pellet gun is close to that. Shoots a 22 gauge pellet at 1100 fps. 
Almost as good as a regular 22, but way more quiet.



bp


On 4/3/2020 8:43 AM, Robert wrote:

The BB gun I have would go through Levi's at 40 yards..


On 4/3/20 8:16 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

  Shotgun and rock salt is more memorable. 

  Mark



On Apr 3, 2020, at 11:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Get a bb gun and pop them in the butt if you see them outside.  

From: justsumname . 
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 7:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

What's going to keep this thing happening is the people who 
disregard guidance of how to prevent spreading. 
We're not just dealing with a virus.   We're dealing with skeptical 
and disrespectful and disrespectable people.
--

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:52 PM  wrote:

  Ima gonna put up a fence between here and you...

  From: Sterling Jacobson 
  Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:42 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

  I just found out this morning that my literal backyard neighbor 
has tested positive for Covid-19.
  He and his wife tested positive, his parents who live the 
basement also tested positive, his mom of which is in the hospital.

  So….. We are a bit freaked out.

  Fortunately we haven’t had physical contact with them in weeks.

  However I’ve noticed their kids were in the field, our shared 
backyard, playing with other neighbor kids within the past two weeks.

  We don’t let our boys anywhere near anyone else for about two 
weeks now anyways, so I’m praying we don’t have it (yet).

  On another note, I think our main field tech might have 
contracted it.
  He’s not feeling so well, we told him to go home for a couple of 
weeks.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

[Bill Prince]

Some .177 caliber pellet rifles can do in the neighborhood of 1400 fps. 
There's got to be a sonic pop with that. The small pellets lose velocity 
pretty rapidly though. Problem is that they don't have enough punch to 
do away with varmints. At the time we got ours, it was about the highest 
velocity you could get for one in .22 caliber.


bp


On 4/3/2020 11:21 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
That's the hard part about mine, it's 1300fps and noisy as a 22.   So 
I can't use it in the neighborhood.   Even though I would love to put 
out the neighbor's super bright backyard light he leaves on overnight...


On 04/03/2020 09:05 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
My pellet gun is close to that. Shoots a 22 gauge pellet at 1100 fps. 
Almost as good as a regular 22, but way more quiet.



bp


On 4/3/2020 8:43 AM, Robert wrote:

The BB gun I have would go through Levi's at 40 yards..

On 4/3/20 8:16 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Shotgun and rock salt is more memorable.

Mark

On Apr 3, 2020, at 11:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
 wrote:


Get a bb gun and pop them in the butt if you see them outside.
*From:* justsumname .
*Sent:* Friday, April 3, 2020 7:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
What's going to keep this thing happening is the people who 
disregard guidance of how to prevent spreading.
We're not just dealing with a virus.   We're dealing with 
skeptical and disrespectful and disrespectable people.

--
On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:52 PM  wrote:

Ima gonna put up a fence between here and you...
*From:* Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:42 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
I just found out this morning that my literal backyard neighbor 
has tested positive for Covid-19.
He and his wife tested positive, his parents who live the 
basement also tested positive, his mom of which is in the hospital.

So….. We are a bit freaked out.
Fortunately we haven’t had physical contact with them in weeks.
However I’ve noticed their kids were in the field, our shared 
backyard, playing with other neighbor kids within the past two 
weeks.
We don’t let our boys anywhere near anyone else for about two 
weeks now anyways, so I’m praying we don’t have it (yet).
On another note, I think our main field tech might have 
contracted it.
He’s not feeling so well, we told him to go home for a couple of 
weeks.
 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

[Robert Andrews]

NOW I know why mine is so noisy, hadn't even thought of that!

On 04/03/2020 09:13 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
That's a pneumatic rifle?  1100fps is about the speed of sound. That's 
got to be about at the limit for an air gun.



On 4/3/2020 12:05 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


My pellet gun is close to that. Shoots a 22 gauge pellet at 1100 fps. 
Almost as good as a regular 22, but way more quiet.



bp


On 4/3/2020 8:43 AM, Robert wrote:

The BB gun I have would go through Levi's at 40 yards..

On 4/3/20 8:16 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Shotgun and rock salt is more memorable.

Mark

On Apr 3, 2020, at 11:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
 wrote:


Get a bb gun and pop them in the butt if you see them outside.
*From:* justsumname .
*Sent:* Friday, April 3, 2020 7:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
What's going to keep this thing happening is the people who 
disregard guidance of how to prevent spreading.
We're not just dealing with a virus.   We're dealing with skeptical 
and disrespectful and disrespectable people.

--
On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:52 PM  wrote:

Ima gonna put up a fence between here and you...
*From:* Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:42 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
I just found out this morning that my literal backyard neighbor 
has tested positive for Covid-19.
He and his wife tested positive, his parents who live the basement 
also tested positive, his mom of which is in the hospital.

So….. We are a bit freaked out.
Fortunately we haven’t had physical contact with them in weeks.
However I’ve noticed their kids were in the field, our shared 
backyard, playing with other neighbor kids within the past two weeks.
We don’t let our boys anywhere near anyone else for about two 
weeks now anyways, so I’m praying we don’t have it (yet).

On another note, I think our main field tech might have contracted it.
He’s not feeling so well, we told him to go home for a couple of 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

[Robert Andrews]

That's the hard part about mine, it's 1300fps and noisy as a 22.   So I 
can't use it in the neighborhood.   Even though I would love to put out 
the neighbor's super bright backyard light he leaves on overnight...


On 04/03/2020 09:05 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
My pellet gun is close to that. Shoots a 22 gauge pellet at 1100 fps. 
Almost as good as a regular 22, but way more quiet.



bp


On 4/3/2020 8:43 AM, Robert wrote:

The BB gun I have would go through Levi's at 40 yards..

On 4/3/20 8:16 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Shotgun and rock salt is more memorable.

Mark

On Apr 3, 2020, at 11:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
 wrote:


Get a bb gun and pop them in the butt if you see them outside.
*From:* justsumname .
*Sent:* Friday, April 3, 2020 7:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
What's going to keep this thing happening is the people who 
disregard guidance of how to prevent spreading.
We're not just dealing with a virus.   We're dealing with skeptical 
and disrespectful and disrespectable people.

--
On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:52 PM  wrote:

Ima gonna put up a fence between here and you...
*From:* Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:42 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
I just found out this morning that my literal backyard neighbor has 
tested positive for Covid-19.
He and his wife tested positive, his parents who live the basement 
also tested positive, his mom of which is in the hospital.

So….. We are a bit freaked out.
Fortunately we haven’t had physical contact with them in weeks.
However I’ve noticed their kids were in the field, our shared 
backyard, playing with other neighbor kids within the past two weeks.
We don’t let our boys anywhere near anyone else for about two weeks 
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On another note, I think our main field tech might have contracted it.
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Re: [AFMUG] needs landline once per day

[Steve Jones]

probably a pedo with some weird rule and cellular use restriction

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 8:22 AM Daniel White  wrote:

> Well it isn't this:
> https://www.businessinsider.com/poland-app-coronavirus-patients-mandaotory-selfie-2020-3
>
> It sounds like whatever the reason is is based on a policy from 20+ years
> ago, unless they are looking at switch traffic logs or something.
>
> Even then, you could correlate the IP address you are giving him with the
> VoIP call...
>
> I'd think geolocation via a cell phone would be easier.  Or an ankle
> monitor :-D
>
> [image: photograph]
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
> Ken Hohhof wrote on 4/2/20 16:23:
>
> Longtime customer called to get VoIP phone service.  Says he only needs it
> to make one call per day and it has to be a “landline” because they won’t
> accept geolocation from his cellphone.
>
>
>
> Should I worry about why someone needs to call in once per day to prove
> he’s at home?
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Anyone look at this Hybrid fiber/DC from Eupen?
https://www.eupen.us/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=FIBER_Code=EUPEN

I am afraid to call and ask them the price.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:54 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> m...@savvitechnologies.com - they are actually built in China but we just
> pay shipping from his WH in SC.  Takes time though so we order in
> quantity.
> Our Purchase description looks like this.  "Genuine Corning or OFS EZBEND
> 4.8 ruggedized black jumper SCAPC to SCUPC 100ft" - Change the description
> to what you want, i.e SCUPC to SCUPC XXXft.
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:47 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> I'd recommend using SCA  cassettes and SCA-SCU OD patch cables. (or SCU
>> cassettes and SCU-SCU cables)  I've got a source in SC that builds the
>> patch cables out of 4.8MM OD cable - You can also source them from Corning
>> etc.  Much easier to get an outdoor simplex patch cable in SC rather than
>> LC.  We've standardized on SCA for our plant because we do a lot of
>> GPON and that is the defacto standard.
>>
>> If you are new to MPO/MPT, pay attention to male/female pins and to
>> polarity.  They will try to get you to do A on one end and B on the other
>> because they don't understand that you want it for BiDi and want straight
>> through.  Use A on both ends for straight through.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:28 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> Got it.  Yeah, I meant to link to a SM cassette (not MM).
>>>
>>> Thanks, Mark & Jared.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>>
 In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure
 you have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
 BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
 on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.

 Mark

 On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:

 I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
 linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
 spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
 be fine.

 Jared


 *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
 *From:* "Josh Baird" 
 *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
 Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..

 Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
 cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
 SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
 correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
 are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
 experience with BiDi.

 [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
 [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html

 On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
 lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this
> is what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>
> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>
> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
> Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>
> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
> enclosure to each radio SFP
> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>
> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and 
> use
> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from 
> the
> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
> with Medusa AP's.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>
>
> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top
> enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea 
> with
> the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of
> fiber at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug 
> it
> into the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

[Steve Jones]

i have a bb in my abdomen from funtimes, shows up periodically in xrays. We
didnt tell nobody nuthin about why i was bleeding from my belly


On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:27 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> At age 13 I shot a kid in the leg with a .177 pneumatic which was fully
> pumped up.  He went to the hospital to have the BB removed.
>
> .turns out any gunshot wound has to be reported to the police.  That
> turned into a not fun day.
>
> On the other hand that guy learned not to try and shove snow down the
> pants of an armed individual.  That's worth it.  I probably saved his life.
> ;)
>
>
> On 4/3/2020 12:21 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Just a regular old spring powered lever action BB gun hurts like a MF if
> you catch a BB in your butt.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, April 3, 2020 10:13 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
>
>
> That's a pneumatic rifle?  1100fps is about the speed of sound.  That's
> got to be about at the limit for an air gun.
>
>
> On 4/3/2020 12:05 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> My pellet gun is close to that. Shoots a 22 gauge pellet at 1100 fps.
> Almost as good as a regular 22, but way more quiet.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/3/2020 8:43 AM, Robert wrote:
>
> The BB gun I have would go through Levi's at 40 yards..
>
> On 4/3/20 8:16 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>
> Shotgun and rock salt is more memorable.
>
> Mark
>
> On Apr 3, 2020, at 11:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Get a bb gun and pop them in the butt if you see them outside.
>
> *From:* justsumname .
> *Sent:* Friday, April 3, 2020 7:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
>
> What's going to keep this thing happening is the people who disregard
> guidance of how to prevent spreading.
> We're not just dealing with a virus.   We're dealing with skeptical and
> disrespectful and disrespectable people.
> --
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:52 PM  wrote:
>
>> Ima gonna put up a fence between here and you...
>>
>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:42 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
>>
>> I just found out this morning that my literal backyard neighbor has
>> tested positive for Covid-19.
>> He and his wife tested positive, his parents who live the basement also
>> tested positive, his mom of which is in the hospital.
>>
>> So….. We are a bit freaked out.
>>
>> Fortunately we haven’t had physical contact with them in weeks.
>>
>> However I’ve noticed their kids were in the field, our shared backyard,
>> playing with other neighbor kids within the past two weeks.
>>
>> We don’t let our boys anywhere near anyone else for about two weeks now
>> anyways, so I’m praying we don’t have it (yet).
>>
>> On another note, I think our main field tech might have contracted it.
>> He’s not feeling so well, we told him to go home for a couple of weeks.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

[Adam Moffett]

At age 13 I shot a kid in the leg with a .177 pneumatic which was fully 
pumped up.  He went to the hospital to have the BB removed.


.turns out any gunshot wound has to be reported to the police.  That 
turned into a not fun day.


On the other hand that guy learned not to try and shove snow down the 
pants of an armed individual.  That's worth it.  I probably saved his 
life. ;)



On 4/3/2020 12:21 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Just a regular old spring powered lever action BB gun hurts like a MF 
if you catch a BB in your butt.

*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, April 3, 2020 10:13 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

That's a pneumatic rifle?  1100fps is about the speed of sound.  
That's got to be about at the limit for an air gun.


On 4/3/2020 12:05 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


My pellet gun is close to that. Shoots a 22 gauge pellet at 1100 fps. 
Almost as good as a regular 22, but way more quiet.


bp


On 4/3/2020 8:43 AM, Robert wrote:

The BB gun I have would go through Levi's at 40 yards..

On 4/3/20 8:16 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Shotgun and rock salt is more memorable.
Mark


On Apr 3, 2020, at 11:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Get a bb gun and pop them in the butt if you see them outside.
*From:* justsumname .
*Sent:* Friday, April 3, 2020 7:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
What's going to keep this thing happening is the people who 
disregard guidance of how to prevent spreading.
We're not just dealing with a virus.   We're dealing with 
skeptical and disrespectful and disrespectable people.

--
On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:52 PM  wrote:

Ima gonna put up a fence between here and you...
*From:* Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:42 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
I just found out this morning that my literal backyard neighbor 
has tested positive for Covid-19.
He and his wife tested positive, his parents who live the 
basement also tested positive, his mom of which is in the hospital.

So….. We are a bit freaked out.
Fortunately we haven’t had physical contact with them in weeks.
However I’ve noticed their kids were in the field, our shared 
backyard, playing with other neighbor kids within the past two weeks.
We don’t let our boys anywhere near anyone else for about two 
weeks now anyways, so I’m praying we don’t have it (yet).
On another note, I think our main field tech might have 
contracted it.
He’s not feeling so well, we told him to go home for a couple of 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

[chuck]

Just a regular old spring powered lever action BB gun hurts like a MF if you 
catch a BB in your butt.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 10:13 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

That's a pneumatic rifle?  1100fps is about the speed of sound.  That's got to 
be about at the limit for an air gun.



On 4/3/2020 12:05 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

  My pellet gun is close to that. Shoots a 22 gauge pellet at 1100 fps. Almost 
as good as a regular 22, but way more quiet.



bp


On 4/3/2020 8:43 AM, Robert wrote:

The BB gun I have would go through Levi's at 40 yards..


On 4/3/20 8:16 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

  Shotgun and rock salt is more memorable. 

  Mark



On Apr 3, 2020, at 11:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Get a bb gun and pop them in the butt if you see them outside.  

From: justsumname . 
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 7:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

What's going to keep this thing happening is the people who disregard 
guidance of how to prevent spreading. 
We're not just dealing with a virus.   We're dealing with skeptical and 
disrespectful and disrespectable people.
--

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:52 PM  wrote:

  Ima gonna put up a fence between here and you...

  From: Sterling Jacobson 
  Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:42 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

  I just found out this morning that my literal backyard neighbor has 
tested positive for Covid-19.
  He and his wife tested positive, his parents who live the basement 
also tested positive, his mom of which is in the hospital.

  So….. We are a bit freaked out.

  Fortunately we haven’t had physical contact with them in weeks.

  However I’ve noticed their kids were in the field, our shared 
backyard, playing with other neighbor kids within the past two weeks.

  We don’t let our boys anywhere near anyone else for about two weeks 
now anyways, so I’m praying we don’t have it (yet).

  On another note, I think our main field tech might have contracted it.
  He’s not feeling so well, we told him to go home for a couple of 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

[Adam Moffett]

That's a pneumatic rifle?  1100fps is about the speed of sound. That's 
got to be about at the limit for an air gun.



On 4/3/2020 12:05 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


My pellet gun is close to that. Shoots a 22 gauge pellet at 1100 fps. 
Almost as good as a regular 22, but way more quiet.



bp


On 4/3/2020 8:43 AM, Robert wrote:

The BB gun I have would go through Levi's at 40 yards..

On 4/3/20 8:16 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Shotgun and rock salt is more memorable.

Mark

On Apr 3, 2020, at 11:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
 wrote:


Get a bb gun and pop them in the butt if you see them outside.
*From:* justsumname .
*Sent:* Friday, April 3, 2020 7:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
What's going to keep this thing happening is the people who 
disregard guidance of how to prevent spreading.
We're not just dealing with a virus.   We're dealing with skeptical 
and disrespectful and disrespectable people.

--
On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:52 PM  wrote:

Ima gonna put up a fence between here and you...
*From:* Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:42 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
I just found out this morning that my literal backyard neighbor 
has tested positive for Covid-19.
He and his wife tested positive, his parents who live the basement 
also tested positive, his mom of which is in the hospital.

So….. We are a bit freaked out.
Fortunately we haven’t had physical contact with them in weeks.
However I’ve noticed their kids were in the field, our shared 
backyard, playing with other neighbor kids within the past two weeks.
We don’t let our boys anywhere near anyone else for about two 
weeks now anyways, so I’m praying we don’t have it (yet).

On another note, I think our main field tech might have contracted it.
He’s not feeling so well, we told him to go home for a couple of 
weeks.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

[Bill Prince]

  
  
My pellet gun is close to that. Shoots a 22 gauge pellet at 1100
  fps. Almost as good as a regular 22, but way more quiet.


bp



On 4/3/2020 8:43 AM, Robert wrote:


  
  The BB gun I have would go through Levi's at 40 yards..
  
  On 4/3/20 8:16 AM, Mark Radabaugh
wrote:
  
  

Shotgun and rock salt is more memorable.


Mark
  

  On Apr 3, 2020, at 11:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
  
  

  

  Get a bb gun and pop them in the
butt if you see them outside.  
  

   
  
From: justsumname .

Sent: Friday,
  April 3, 2020 7:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re:
  [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
  

 
  
  
What's going to keep
  this thing happening is the people who
  disregard guidance of how to prevent
  spreading.
  We're not just dealing with a
virus.   We're dealing with skeptical and
disrespectful and disrespectable people.
  --

 

  On Thu, Apr
2, 2020 at 4:52 PM 
wrote:
  
  

  

  Ima gonna put up a fence
between here and you...
  

   
  
From:
  Sterling
Jacobson 
Sent:
  Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:42
  PM
To:
  AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group 
Subject:
  [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
  

 
  
  

  I just
found out this morning that my
literal backyard neighbor has
tested positive for Covid-19.
  He and his
wife tested positive, his
parents who live the basement
also tested positive, his mom of
which is in the hospital.
   
  So….. We
are a bit freaked out.
   
  Fortunately
we haven’t had physical contact
with them in weeks.
   
  However
I’ve noticed their kids were in
the field, our shared backyard,
playing with other neighbor kids
within the past two weeks.
   
  We don’t
let our boys anywhere near
anyone else for about two weeks
now anyways, so I’m praying we
don’t have it (yet).
   
  On another
   

Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

[chuck]

And you will never forget it.

From: Robert 
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 9:43 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

The BB gun I have would go through Levi's at 40 yards..


On 4/3/20 8:16 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

  Shotgun and rock salt is more memorable. 

  Mark



On Apr 3, 2020, at 11:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Get a bb gun and pop them in the butt if you see them outside.  

From: justsumname . 
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 7:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

What's going to keep this thing happening is the people who disregard 
guidance of how to prevent spreading. 
We're not just dealing with a virus.   We're dealing with skeptical and 
disrespectful and disrespectable people.
--

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:52 PM  wrote:

  Ima gonna put up a fence between here and you...

  From: Sterling Jacobson 
  Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:42 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

  I just found out this morning that my literal backyard neighbor has 
tested positive for Covid-19.
  He and his wife tested positive, his parents who live the basement also 
tested positive, his mom of which is in the hospital.

  So….. We are a bit freaked out.

  Fortunately we haven’t had physical contact with them in weeks.

  However I’ve noticed their kids were in the field, our shared backyard, 
playing with other neighbor kids within the past two weeks.

  We don’t let our boys anywhere near anyone else for about two weeks now 
anyways, so I’m praying we don’t have it (yet).

  On another note, I think our main field tech might have contracted it.
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Carl Peterson]

m...@savvitechnologies.com - they are actually built in China but we just
pay shipping from his WH in SC.  Takes time though so we order in
quantity.
Our Purchase description looks like this.  "Genuine Corning or OFS EZBEND
4.8 ruggedized black jumper SCAPC to SCUPC 100ft" - Change the description
to what you want, i.e SCUPC to SCUPC XXXft.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:47 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> I'd recommend using SCA  cassettes and SCA-SCU OD patch cables. (or SCU
> cassettes and SCU-SCU cables)  I've got a source in SC that builds the
> patch cables out of 4.8MM OD cable - You can also source them from Corning
> etc.  Much easier to get an outdoor simplex patch cable in SC rather than
> LC.  We've standardized on SCA for our plant because we do a lot of
> GPON and that is the defacto standard.
>
> If you are new to MPO/MPT, pay attention to male/female pins and to
> polarity.  They will try to get you to do A on one end and B on the other
> because they don't understand that you want it for BiDi and want straight
> through.  Use A on both ends for straight through.
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:28 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Got it.  Yeah, I meant to link to a SM cassette (not MM).
>>
>> Thanks, Mark & Jared.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>
>>> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure
>>> you have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
>>> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
>>> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
>>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
>>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
>>> be fine.
>>>
>>> Jared
>>>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>>> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
>>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>>> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>>>
>>> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
>>> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
>>> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
>>> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
>>> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
>>> experience with BiDi.
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
>>> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is
 what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.

 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
 https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
 available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
 https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
 version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)

 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
 Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
 https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html

 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
 enclosure to each radio SFP
 https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856

 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
 multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
 conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use
 a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the
 ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
 with Medusa AP's.

 https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G


 I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top
 enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea with
 the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of
 fiber at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug it
 into the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could
 standardize on a couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or
 250' and just stock those and coil up excess cable outside or something.

 I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i guess
 it could make sense.


 On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Would you happen to 

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Carl Peterson]

I'd recommend using SCA  cassettes and SCA-SCU OD patch cables. (or SCU
cassettes and SCU-SCU cables)  I've got a source in SC that builds the
patch cables out of 4.8MM OD cable - You can also source them from Corning
etc.  Much easier to get an outdoor simplex patch cable in SC rather than
LC.  We've standardized on SCA for our plant because we do a lot of
GPON and that is the defacto standard.

If you are new to MPO/MPT, pay attention to male/female pins and to
polarity.  They will try to get you to do A on one end and B on the other
because they don't understand that you want it for BiDi and want straight
through.  Use A on both ends for straight through.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:28 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Got it.  Yeah, I meant to link to a SM cassette (not MM).
>
> Thanks, Mark & Jared.
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure you
>> have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
>> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
>> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>>
>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
>> be fine.
>>
>> Jared
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>>
>> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
>> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
>> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
>> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
>> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
>> experience with BiDi.
>>
>> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
>> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is
>>> what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>>
>>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
>>> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>>
>>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
>>> Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>
>>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
>>> enclosure to each radio SFP
>>> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>>>
>>> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
>>> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
>>> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use
>>> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the
>>> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
>>> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
>>> with Medusa AP's.
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>>>
>>>
>>> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top
>>> enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea with
>>> the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of
>>> fiber at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug it
>>> into the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could
>>> standardize on a couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or
>>> 250' and just stock those and coil up excess cable outside or something.
>>>
>>> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i guess
>>> it could make sense.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>
 Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you
 are talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.

 On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

> In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I
> went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't
> be any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the
> radio manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

[Robert]

The BB gun I have would go through Levi's at 40 yards..

On 4/3/20 8:16 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Shotgun and rock salt is more memorable.

Mark

On Apr 3, 2020, at 11:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  
wrote:


Get a bb gun and pop them in the butt if you see them outside.
*From:* justsumname .
*Sent:* Friday, April 3, 2020 7:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
What's going to keep this thing happening is the people who disregard 
guidance of how to prevent spreading.
We're not just dealing with a virus.   We're dealing with skeptical 
and disrespectful and disrespectable people.

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Ima gonna put up a fence between here and you...
*From:* Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:42 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
I just found out this morning that my literal backyard neighbor has 
tested positive for Covid-19.
He and his wife tested positive, his parents who live the basement 
also tested positive, his mom of which is in the hospital.

So….. We are a bit freaked out.
Fortunately we haven’t had physical contact with them in weeks.
However I’ve noticed their kids were in the field, our shared 
backyard, playing with other neighbor kids within the past two weeks.
We don’t let our boys anywhere near anyone else for about two weeks 
now anyways, so I’m praying we don’t have it (yet).

On another note, I think our main field tech might have contracted it.
He’s not feeling so well, we told him to go home for a couple of weeks.

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[Ken Hohhof]

You should be making friends with the stray dogs and training them to go to the 
store for you and buy toilet paper.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of justsumname .
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 10:23 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

 

I use shotgun and airsoft pellets on the stray dogs

 

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:17 AM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

Shotgun and rock salt is more memorable.

 

Mark





On Apr 3, 2020, at 11:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

 

Get a bb gun and pop them in the butt if you see them outside.  

 

From: justsumname . 

Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 7:44 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

 

What's going to keep this thing happening is the people who disregard guidance 
of how to prevent spreading. 

We're not just dealing with a virus.   We're dealing with skeptical and 
disrespectful and disrespectable people.

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wrote:

Ima gonna put up a fence between here and you...

 

From: Sterling Jacobson 

Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:42 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

 

I just found out this morning that my literal backyard neighbor has tested 
positive for Covid-19.

He and his wife tested positive, his parents who live the basement also tested 
positive, his mom of which is in the hospital.

 

So….. We are a bit freaked out.

 

Fortunately we haven’t had physical contact with them in weeks.

 

However I’ve noticed their kids were in the field, our shared backyard, playing 
with other neighbor kids within the past two weeks.

 

We don’t let our boys anywhere near anyone else for about two weeks now 
anyways, so I’m praying we don’t have it (yet).

 

On another note, I think our main field tech might have contracted it.

He’s not feeling so well, we told him to go home for a couple of weeks.

 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

[Steve Jones]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/detroit-bus-driver-dies-of-coronavirus-2-weeks-after-saying-in-video-passenger-openly-coughed-on-his-bus


On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:23 AM justsumname .  wrote:

> I use shotgun and airsoft pellets on the stray dogs
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:17 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>> Shotgun and rock salt is more memorable.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 11:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Get a bb gun and pop them in the butt if you see them outside.
>>
>> *From:* justsumname .
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 3, 2020 7:44 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
>>
>> What's going to keep this thing happening is the people who disregard
>> guidance of how to prevent spreading.
>> We're not just dealing with a virus.   We're dealing with skeptical and
>> disrespectful and disrespectable people.
>> --
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:52 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Ima gonna put up a fence between here and you...
>>>
>>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:42 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
>>>
>>> I just found out this morning that my literal backyard neighbor has
>>> tested positive for Covid-19.
>>> He and his wife tested positive, his parents who live the basement also
>>> tested positive, his mom of which is in the hospital.
>>>
>>> So….. We are a bit freaked out.
>>>
>>> Fortunately we haven’t had physical contact with them in weeks.
>>>
>>> However I’ve noticed their kids were in the field, our shared backyard,
>>> playing with other neighbor kids within the past two weeks.
>>>
>>> We don’t let our boys anywhere near anyone else for about two weeks now
>>> anyways, so I’m praying we don’t have it (yet).
>>>
>>> On another note, I think our main field tech might have contracted it.
>>> He’s not feeling so well, we told him to go home for a couple of weeks.
>>>
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[justsumname .]

I use shotgun and airsoft pellets on the stray dogs


On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:17 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Shotgun and rock salt is more memorable.
>
> Mark
>
> On Apr 3, 2020, at 11:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Get a bb gun and pop them in the butt if you see them outside.
>
> *From:* justsumname .
> *Sent:* Friday, April 3, 2020 7:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
>
> What's going to keep this thing happening is the people who disregard
> guidance of how to prevent spreading.
> We're not just dealing with a virus.   We're dealing with skeptical and
> disrespectful and disrespectable people.
> --
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:52 PM  wrote:
>
>> Ima gonna put up a fence between here and you...
>>
>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:42 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
>>
>> I just found out this morning that my literal backyard neighbor has
>> tested positive for Covid-19.
>> He and his wife tested positive, his parents who live the basement also
>> tested positive, his mom of which is in the hospital.
>>
>> So….. We are a bit freaked out.
>>
>> Fortunately we haven’t had physical contact with them in weeks.
>>
>> However I’ve noticed their kids were in the field, our shared backyard,
>> playing with other neighbor kids within the past two weeks.
>>
>> We don’t let our boys anywhere near anyone else for about two weeks now
>> anyways, so I’m praying we don’t have it (yet).
>>
>> On another note, I think our main field tech might have contracted it.
>> He’s not feeling so well, we told him to go home for a couple of weeks.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

[Mark Radabaugh]

Shotgun and rock salt is more memorable.

Mark

> On Apr 3, 2020, at 11:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> Get a bb gun and pop them in the butt if you see them outside. 
>  
> From: justsumname . <>
> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 7:44 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
>  
> What's going to keep this thing happening is the people who disregard 
> guidance of how to prevent spreading.
> We're not just dealing with a virus.   We're dealing with skeptical and 
> disrespectful and disrespectable people.
> --
>  
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:52 PM > wrote:
>> Ima gonna put up a fence between here and you...
>>  
>> From: Sterling Jacobson <>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:42 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
>>  
>> I just found out this morning that my literal backyard neighbor has tested 
>> positive for Covid-19.
>> He and his wife tested positive, his parents who live the basement also 
>> tested positive, his mom of which is in the hospital.
>>  
>> So….. We are a bit freaked out.
>>  
>> Fortunately we haven’t had physical contact with them in weeks.
>>  
>> However I’ve noticed their kids were in the field, our shared backyard, 
>> playing with other neighbor kids within the past two weeks.
>>  
>> We don’t let our boys anywhere near anyone else for about two weeks now 
>> anyways, so I’m praying we don’t have it (yet).
>>  
>> On another note, I think our main field tech might have contracted it.
>> He’s not feeling so well, we told him to go home for a couple of weeks.
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[chuck]

Get a bb gun and pop them in the butt if you see them outside.  

From: justsumname . 
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 7:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

What's going to keep this thing happening is the people who disregard guidance 
of how to prevent spreading. 
We're not just dealing with a virus.   We're dealing with skeptical and 
disrespectful and disrespectable people.
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On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:52 PM  wrote:

  Ima gonna put up a fence between here and you...

  From: Sterling Jacobson 
  Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:42 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

  I just found out this morning that my literal backyard neighbor has tested 
positive for Covid-19.

  He and his wife tested positive, his parents who live the basement also 
tested positive, his mom of which is in the hospital.



  So….. We are a bit freaked out.



  Fortunately we haven’t had physical contact with them in weeks.



  However I’ve noticed their kids were in the field, our shared backyard, 
playing with other neighbor kids within the past two weeks.



  We don’t let our boys anywhere near anyone else for about two weeks now 
anyways, so I’m praying we don’t have it (yet).



  On another note, I think our main field tech might have contracted it.

  He’s not feeling so well, we told him to go home for a couple of weeks.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

[Steve Jones]

Get off this list before you infect us all.

When the epidemiologists do their tracing on this for the history books,
they're going to mark americans as the dumbest people on the planet. We
were positioned for a slow burn, where healthy people catch it, get over it
and build community immunity, with isolated outbreaks. Our geography was
perfect.
But then we listened to our TVs. The people on the TV kept trying to make
us scared. They kept failing until they got the break they were looking
for. A nursing home in washington state got infected. Nursing home did what
they do, a virus got in, it spread, and a lot of people died. That's very
normal in long term care.
The TV people's golden opportunity was an image of an empty shelf in a
store in that town.
Once they put that image out and they pounded that its spreading, and
deaths have "doubled" (all the way to 21) they had us. And we all went
running to the stores. Not just one store, every store, for 50 to 100
miles, searching for toilet paper and hand sanitizer (that does nothing
against covid19)
And then it was everywhere.
Thank you TV people
Thank you sheeple.

Now my folks who live across the street, my dad in particular, who lives
for holding my babies, cant come over. All because my 25 yr old nephew who
lives with them cant be an adult. No job, runs around all the time and has
his little girlfriend come and go from her home in chicago.

My nephew should be the face of this outbreak

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 8:45 AM justsumname .  wrote:

> What's going to keep this thing happening is the people who disregard
> guidance of how to prevent spreading.
> We're not just dealing with a virus.   We're dealing with skeptical and
> disrespectful and disrespectable people.
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>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:52 PM  wrote:
>
>> Ima gonna put up a fence between here and you...
>>
>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:42 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
>>
>>
>> I just found out this morning that my literal backyard neighbor has
>> tested positive for Covid-19.
>>
>> He and his wife tested positive, his parents who live the basement also
>> tested positive, his mom of which is in the hospital.
>>
>>
>>
>> So….. We are a bit freaked out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fortunately we haven’t had physical contact with them in weeks.
>>
>>
>>
>> However I’ve noticed their kids were in the field, our shared backyard,
>> playing with other neighbor kids within the past two weeks.
>>
>>
>>
>> We don’t let our boys anywhere near anyone else for about two weeks now
>> anyways, so I’m praying we don’t have it (yet).
>>
>>
>>
>> On another note, I think our main field tech might have contracted it.
>>
>> He’s not feeling so well, we told him to go home for a couple of weeks.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Josh Baird]

Got it.  Yeah, I meant to link to a SM cassette (not MM).

Thanks, Mark & Jared.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure you
> have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>
> Mark
>
> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>
> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
> be fine.
>
> Jared
>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>
> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
> experience with BiDi.
>
> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is
>> what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>
>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
>> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>
>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex Cassette"
>> (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>
>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
>> enclosure to each radio SFP
>> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>>
>> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
>> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
>> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use
>> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the
>> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
>> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
>> with Medusa AP's.
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>>
>>
>> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top
>> enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea with
>> the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of
>> fiber at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug it
>> into the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could
>> standardize on a couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or
>> 250' and just stock those and coil up excess cable outside or something.
>>
>> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i guess
>> it could make sense.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you are
>>> talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I
 went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't
 be any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the
 radio manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and
 Telrad).  I went with individual cables because any tower climber can
 replace a cable, but I don't expect most tower climbers to be able to
 splice or terminate fiber.

 Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on the
 tower.  I'd use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors in the OFDC and
 have the tower guys hang the whole assembly.  Then it would be pre
 terminated jumpers from the OFDC to the equipment.

 On 3/30/2020 5:34 PM, Matt wrote:

 What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

[justsumname .]

What's going to keep this thing happening is the people who disregard
guidance of how to prevent spreading.
We're not just dealing with a virus.   We're dealing with skeptical and
disrespectful and disrespectable people.
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> Ima gonna put up a fence between here and you...
>
> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:42 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
>
>
> I just found out this morning that my literal backyard neighbor has tested
> positive for Covid-19.
>
> He and his wife tested positive, his parents who live the basement also
> tested positive, his mom of which is in the hospital.
>
>
>
> So….. We are a bit freaked out.
>
>
>
> Fortunately we haven’t had physical contact with them in weeks.
>
>
>
> However I’ve noticed their kids were in the field, our shared backyard,
> playing with other neighbor kids within the past two weeks.
>
>
>
> We don’t let our boys anywhere near anyone else for about two weeks now
> anyways, so I’m praying we don’t have it (yet).
>
>
>
> On another note, I think our main field tech might have contracted it.
>
> He’s not feeling so well, we told him to go home for a couple of weeks.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] needs landline once per day

[Daniel White]

Well it isn't this: 
https://www.businessinsider.com/poland-app-coronavirus-patients-mandaotory-selfie-2020-3

It sounds like whatever the reason is is based on a policy from 20+
years ago, unless they are looking at switch traffic logs or something.

Even then, you could correlate the IP address you are giving him with
the VoIP call...

I'd think geolocation via a cell phone would be easier.  Or an ankle
monitor :-D

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Ken Hohhof wrote on 4/2/20 16:23:
>
> Longtime customer called to get VoIP phone service.  Says he only
> needs it to make one call per day and it has to be a “landline”
> because they won’t accept geolocation from his cellphone.
>
>  
>
> Should I worry about why someone needs to call in once per day to
> prove he’s at home?
>
>  
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Mark Radabaugh]

In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure you have 
the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering BiDi optics 
that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx on the other.   
You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.

Mark
> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
> 
> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you linked 
> to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have 
> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll be 
> fine.
>  
> Jared
>  
>  
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020
> From: "Josh Baird" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>  
> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex cassettes 
> [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi SFP's so 
> that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the correct BiDi 
> SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that are linked 
> here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no experience with 
> BiDi.
>  
> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html 
>  
> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html 
>  
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser  > wrote:
> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is what 
> I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>  
> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html 
>   (indoor version but available 
> immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html 
>   (custom length rugged outdoor 
> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia) 
>  
> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex Cassette" 
> (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html 
>   
>  
> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top 
> enclosure to each radio SFP
> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856 
>  
>  
> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of multi-conductor 
> wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4 conductors. If wired 
> properly you could individually power 3 radios and use a common ground wire 
> and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the ground. If I need 6 
> radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only 150' tall so I think 12 
> guage should be more than big enough for me even with Medusa AP's.
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>  
> 
>   
>  
> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top 
> enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea with 
> the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of fiber 
> at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug it into 
> the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could standardize on a 
> couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or 250' and just stock 
> those and coil up excess cable outside or something.
>  
> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i guess it 
> could make sense.
>  
>  
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM Josh Baird  > wrote:
> Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you are 
> talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.
>  
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett  > wrote:
> In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I went 
> with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't be any 
> icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the radio 
> manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and Telrad).  I 
> went with individual cables because any tower climber can replace a cable, 
> but I don't expect most tower climbers to be able to splice or terminate 
> fiber.
> 
> Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on the tower.  I'd 
> use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors in the OFDC and have the tower 
> guys hang the whole assembly.  Then it would be pre terminated jumpers from 
> the OFDC to the equipment.
> 
>  
> On 3/30/2020 5:34 PM, Matt 

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[fiberrun]

I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll be fine.

 

Jared

 
 

Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020
From: "Josh Baird" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower


Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
 

Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no experience with BiDi.

 

[1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html 

[2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html

 


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:


I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
 

1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)

https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)

https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia) 

 

2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)

https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html  

 

3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top enclosure to each radio SFP

https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856 

 

4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4 conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even with Medusa AP's.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G  

 

I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea with the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of fiber at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug it into the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could standardize on a couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or 250' and just stock those and coil up excess cable outside or something.

 

I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i guess it could make sense.

 

 


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM Josh Baird  wrote:


Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you are talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.
 


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:



In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't be any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the radio manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and Telrad).  I went with individual cables because any tower climber can replace a cable, but I don't expect most tower climbers to be able to splice or terminate fiber.

Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on the tower.  I'd use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors in the OFDC and have the tower guys hang the whole assembly.  Then it would be pre terminated jumpers from the OFDC to the equipment.

 

On 3/30/2020 5:34 PM, Matt wrote:


What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?

 
 

 


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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Josh Baird]

Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..

Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
experience with BiDi.

[1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
[2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is
> what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>
> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>
> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex Cassette"
> (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>
> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
> enclosure to each radio SFP
> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>
> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use
> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the
> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
> with Medusa AP's.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>
>
> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top
> enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea with
> the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of
> fiber at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug it
> into the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could
> standardize on a couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or
> 250' and just stock those and coil up excess cable outside or something.
>
> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i guess it
> could make sense.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you are
>> talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I
>>> went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't
>>> be any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the
>>> radio manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and
>>> Telrad).  I went with individual cables because any tower climber can
>>> replace a cable, but I don't expect most tower climbers to be able to
>>> splice or terminate fiber.
>>>
>>> Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on the tower.
>>> I'd use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors in the OFDC and have the
>>> tower guys hang the whole assembly.  Then it would be pre terminated
>>> jumpers from the OFDC to the equipment.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/30/2020 5:34 PM, Matt wrote:
>>>
>>> What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

ePMP and 450 support it with a free key from Cambium.  I’m trying to find out 
about PTP 550 and 670.

I’m told that UBNT is working on a solution.

Jeff Broadwick
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> On Apr 2, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Jason McKemie  
> wrote:
> 
> Mimosa supports it.
> 
>> On Tuesday, March 31, 2020, SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>> So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to 
>> increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS LTE options

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

The current options are:

Less expensive:
Baicells
BliNQ

More expensive:
Telrad
Cambium (when released later this year)
Airspan

Really expensive:
Nokia
Ericsson (they do have a stripped down version for WISPs, but it’s still salty)

CPE supply is a HUGE problem for all or most of them.  Anyone that uses Gemtek 
CPE is going to be behind for a while.  

The big double whammy was the Covid combined with the last minute CBRS changes 
that didn’t allow Gen1 Telrad and Baicells CPE to work under the SAS.  

If you want to order CPEs for anything other than BliNQ, you probably need to 
order now for May or June.  IMO it will take all year for this to really sort 
itself out.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
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> On Apr 3, 2020, at 12:21 AM, Jason McKemie  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> What are some decent options for LTE other than Baicells?  I see that Baltic 
> is carrying Airspan LTE as well as Blinq (which I'm unfamiliar with).  Are 
> there any other options that aren't outrageously expensive I should check out?
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