Re: [AFMUG] Cold-weather Ethernet isolation (electrical / ground)

[Adam Moffett]

I'd assume the houses have their own grounding at their electrical 
service entrance.  Any locality in the USA would require that.


Unless it was a hillbilly electric job done on the down-low I suppose.


On 10/16/2020 2:45 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

How are you isolating power to the device with the sfp's?

If they are both powered by the same source doesn't that null the fiber?

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 10:13 AM Colin Stanners > wrote:


We have a rural tower site where the owner has a few houses on the
property, they ran conduit and cat5e between the houses and the
tower so the houses could get Internet access.

But with the size of the property and the tower being a big
metal structure, that caused some voltage / ground imbalances that
fried gear at the houses after storms, I believe even through
surge supressors (hich are made to protect against single
high-voltage direct strikes).

We put in some electrical isolation using copper-fiber-copper
converters / switches at the tower, those worked until the winter:
when it got to -30 outside the FiberStore SFPs were unhappy.

Does anyone have good cold-weather solutions? Or were we just
unlucky with those SFPs and should try something else in the cold?


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Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

[Ryan's Amplex]

We are installing about 65 844e devices a month.   Let me known what your 
looking for 

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
> 
> 
> We have about 700 844e and 100 804Mesh deployed so far since August 2019. 
> What are you looking to know?
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 8:06 AM Paul McCall  wrote:
>> Is anybody here installing a lot of Calix routers for customers?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If so, I would like to chat with you briefly!
>> 
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>> 
>> Thanks!
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>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

[Ryan Ray]

We have about 700 844e and 100 804Mesh deployed so far since August 2019.
What are you looking to know?


On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 8:06 AM Paul McCall  wrote:

> Is anybody here installing a lot of Calix routers for customers?
>
>
>
> If so, I would like to chat with you briefly!
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> *Paul McCall, President *
>
> *Florida Broadband / PDMNet*
>
> *658 Old Dixie Highway*
>
> *Vero Beach, FL 32962*
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Re: [AFMUG] Cold-weather Ethernet isolation (electrical / ground)

[TJ Trout]

How are you isolating power to the device with the sfp's?

If they are both powered by the same source doesn't that null the fiber?

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 10:13 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> We have a rural tower site where the owner has a few houses on the
> property, they ran conduit and cat5e between the houses and the tower so
> the houses could get Internet access.
>
> But with the size of the property and the tower being a big metal
> structure, that caused some voltage / ground imbalances that fried gear at
> the houses after storms, I believe even through surge supressors (hich are
> made to protect against single high-voltage direct strikes).
>
> We put in some electrical isolation using copper-fiber-copper converters /
> switches at the tower, those worked until the winter: when it got to -30
> outside the FiberStore SFPs were unhappy.
>
> Does anyone have good cold-weather solutions? Or were we just unlucky with
> those SFPs and should try something else in the cold?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Dedicated server

[Adam Moffett]

I assume they will specify.  They speak the right language, and they 
have a very well put together website.  If they're a scammer they 
deserve a few wins just for the amount of effort they've put into the 
smoke and mirrors.  But I've definitely taken the message, and I'll be 
sure to probe them about what they're up to.



On 10/16/2020 12:06 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

It's also hard to believe a big hosting company wouldn't provide or at least 
specify the server, I would expect them to just ask for rackspace, power, 
bandwidth, and maybe remote hands on a per-hour basis.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 10:39 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dedicated server

On 10/16/20 8:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

This is from a real, current customer, right?

Whenever I get inquiries about dedicated servers out of the blue, it’s
a scam.



Yeah all of the ones I get just look like someone wanting to make a spam run, 
especially when they say yeah this one low power server needs a /24 worth of IP 
addresses. Yeah right. Either I ignore them or tell them we don't offer that 
service, depends how generous I'm feeling that day.

But there are still legitimate needs for bare metal or dedicated servers; cloud 
service costs can escalate quickly.

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Re: [AFMUG] arin

[John Osmon]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:00:20PM -0500, Steve Jones wrote:
> my guess is a call to them will get you square right quick

After you've gone through the mail here, make the call to ARIN.

They'll be very upfront with you on what you need, etc.  Their job is to 
enforce the rules the members have put together.

They are not trying to keep you from getting resources.

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Re: [AFMUG] Dedicated server

[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/16/20 8:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
That's a good thing to worry about.  They asked about BGP and want to 
announce their own IP's.  Doesn't mean they're not a spammer.



That's my preferred case, customer announces their own IP space.

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Re: [AFMUG] Dedicated server

[Ken Hohhof]

It's also hard to believe a big hosting company wouldn't provide or at least 
specify the server, I would expect them to just ask for rackspace, power, 
bandwidth, and maybe remote hands on a per-hour basis.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 10:39 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dedicated server

On 10/16/20 8:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> This is from a real, current customer, right?
> 
> Whenever I get inquiries about dedicated servers out of the blue, it’s 
> a scam.
> 


Yeah all of the ones I get just look like someone wanting to make a spam run, 
especially when they say yeah this one low power server needs a /24 worth of IP 
addresses. Yeah right. Either I ignore them or tell them we don't offer that 
service, depends how generous I'm feeling that day.

But there are still legitimate needs for bare metal or dedicated servers; cloud 
service costs can escalate quickly.

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Re: [AFMUG] Dedicated server

[can...@believewireless.net]

If you own the hosting space and bandwidth, and buy a used Dell R740 for
example, is it cheaper than
AWS in the long run? No idea, just curious.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 11:59 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Good point.  Honestly if they're using upload data then it can be free for
> all I care, but I'll be sure to address it either way.  Thanks.
>
>
> On 10/16/2020 11:27 AM, Robert wrote:
>
> Data?
>
> On 10/16/20 8:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> It seems like a hundred years since anyone wanted a dedicated server (I
> thought AWS crushed that market?), but I got that request today.
>
> My assumptions on my costs are:
>
>- amortized cost of the server
>- amortized cost of the physical space
>- electric
>- A/C
>
> Any costs am I forgetting?  Asking the group because that part of the
> brain has gotten dusty.
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Re: [AFMUG] Dedicated server

[Adam Moffett]

Good point.  Honestly if they're using upload data then it can be free 
for all I care, but I'll be sure to address it either way. Thanks.



On 10/16/2020 11:27 AM, Robert wrote:

Data?

On 10/16/20 8:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


It seems like a hundred years since anyone wanted a dedicated server 
(I thought AWS crushed that market?), but I got that request today.


My assumptions on my costs are:

  * amortized cost of the server
  * amortized cost of the physical space
  * electric
  * A/C

Any costs am I forgetting?  Asking the group because that part of the 
brain has gotten dusty.







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Re: [AFMUG] Dedicated server

[Adam Moffett]

That's a good thing to worry about.  They asked about BGP and want to 
announce their own IP's.  Doesn't mean they're not a spammer.



On 10/16/2020 11:38 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 10/16/20 8:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

This is from a real, current customer, right?

Whenever I get inquiries about dedicated servers out of the blue, 
it’s a scam.





Yeah all of the ones I get just look like someone wanting to make a 
spam run, especially when they say yeah this one low power server 
needs a /24 worth of IP addresses. Yeah right. Either I ignore them or 
tell them we don't offer that service, depends how generous I'm 
feeling that day.


But there are still legitimate needs for bare metal or dedicated 
servers; cloud service costs can escalate quickly.




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Re: [AFMUG] Dedicated server

[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/16/20 8:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

This is from a real, current customer, right?

Whenever I get inquiries about dedicated servers out of the blue, it’s a 
scam.





Yeah all of the ones I get just look like someone wanting to make a spam 
run, especially when they say yeah this one low power server needs a /24 
worth of IP addresses. Yeah right. Either I ignore them or tell them we 
don't offer that service, depends how generous I'm feeling that day.


But there are still legitimate needs for bare metal or dedicated 
servers; cloud service costs can escalate quickly.


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Re: [AFMUG] Dedicated server

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Here's a simpler way.
Take the cost of an AWS equivalent and add 50% or 100% depending
  on how much you want to do it.



bp

On 10/16/2020 8:24 AM, Adam Moffett
  wrote:


  
  It seems like a hundred years since anyone wanted a dedicated
server (I thought AWS crushed that market?), but I got that
request today.
  My assumptions on my costs are:
  
amortized cost of the server
amortized cost of the physical space
electric
A/C
  
  Any costs am I forgetting?  Asking the group because that part
of the brain has gotten dusty. 
  
  
  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] Dedicated server

[Nate Burke]

Physical access requirements, do they need access at 4am Sunday 
morning?  Backup requirements, are they requiring you to provide all 
data backup?  Spare requirements, do you need a 2nd physical machine 
sitting idle with extra Hard disks?  OS Support, are they expecting you 
to Admin the machine.


Short of a server for an existing client, every time we run the numbers 
for something like this, we decide it's just easier to tell the 
potential customer to just go get a machine from 1&1.


On 10/16/2020 10:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


This is from a real, current customer, right?

Whenever I get inquiries about dedicated servers out of the blue, it’s 
a scam.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, October 16, 2020 10:25 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Dedicated server

It seems like a hundred years since anyone wanted a dedicated server 
(I thought AWS crushed that market?), but I got that request today.


My assumptions on my costs are:

  * amortized cost of the server
  * amortized cost of the physical space
  * electric
  * A/C

Any costs am I forgetting?  Asking the group because that part of the 
brain has gotten dusty.






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Re: [AFMUG] Dedicated server

[Ken Hohhof]

This is from a real, current customer, right?

 

Whenever I get inquiries about dedicated servers out of the blue, it’s a scam.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 10:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Dedicated server

 

It seems like a hundred years since anyone wanted a dedicated server (I thought 
AWS crushed that market?), but I got that request today.

My assumptions on my costs are:

*   amortized cost of the server
*   amortized cost of the physical space
*   electric
*   A/C

Any costs am I forgetting?  Asking the group because that part of the brain has 
gotten dusty. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Dedicated server

[Adam Moffett]

and I initially thought it might be like those people who still 
occasionally call and ask for a "T1" because they think T1 means "The 
best internet".  But it seems like a legit hosting company wanting to 
increase their geographic diversity.



On 10/16/2020 11:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


It seems like a hundred years since anyone wanted a dedicated server 
(I thought AWS crushed that market?), but I got that request today.


My assumptions on my costs are:

  * amortized cost of the server
  * amortized cost of the physical space
  * electric
  * A/C

Any costs am I forgetting?  Asking the group because that part of the 
brain has gotten dusty.



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Re: [AFMUG] Dedicated server

[Robert]

Data?

On 10/16/20 8:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


It seems like a hundred years since anyone wanted a dedicated server 
(I thought AWS crushed that market?), but I got that request today.


My assumptions on my costs are:

  * amortized cost of the server
  * amortized cost of the physical space
  * electric
  * A/C

Any costs am I forgetting?  Asking the group because that part of the 
brain has gotten dusty.






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[AFMUG] Dedicated server

[Adam Moffett]

It seems like a hundred years since anyone wanted a dedicated server (I 
thought AWS crushed that market?), but I got that request today.


My assumptions on my costs are:

 * amortized cost of the server
 * amortized cost of the physical space
 * electric
 * A/C

Any costs am I forgetting?  Asking the group because that part of the 
brain has gotten dusty.



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[AFMUG] Calix users

[Paul McCall]

Is anybody here installing a lot of Calix routers for customers?

If so, I would like to chat with you briefly!

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 x110

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Re: [AFMUG] Cold-weather Ethernet isolation (electrical / ground)

[Adam Moffett]

Build an integrated system of ground rod rings bonded to each other 
around the whole property as described in the R56 manual. 


I suppose I might have used his Cat5e to pull in new Cat5e with a 
braided shieldnot just mylar foil but a serious shield. Ground and 
bond it at every point of entry.


I think from your text though you're saying the switch at the tower is 
where you have the temperature issue.  Why not stick a cabinet heater in 
there?


This one is $80 with a thermostat included: https://bit.ly/2GZ5XNo

Some enclosure vendors have thermal calculator spreadsheets where you 
can estimate how big of a heater you need, but 100W in a closed space 
really ought to take the edge off.  If there's no 120VAC in your switch 
cabinet then get an appliance cord and a couple of strain relief 
glands.  There are 12V and 24V heaters, but they tend to be itty bitty 
10-20W jobs.




On 10/15/2020 1:12 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
We have a rural tower site where the owner has a few houses on the 
property, they ran conduit and cat5e between the houses and the tower 
so the houses could get Internet access.


But with the size of the property and the tower being a big metal 
structure, that caused some voltage / ground imbalances that fried 
gear at the houses after storms, I believe even through surge 
supressors (hich are made to protect against single high-voltage 
direct strikes).


We put in some electrical isolation using copper-fiber-copper 
converters / switches at the tower, those worked until the winter: 
when it got to -30 outside the FiberStore SFPs were unhappy.


Does anyone have good cold-weather solutions? Or were we just unlucky 
with those SFPs and should try something else in the cold?




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Re: [AFMUG] Frontier Rep

[Mike Hammett]

Intro sent. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jason Wilson"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 2:29:54 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Frontier Rep 



Looking for a Rep for Frontier and or CenturyLInk Preferably on the West Coast. 
This would be for DIA fiber service or Transport. 








Jason Wilson 
Remotely Located 
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places. 
530-651-1736 
530-748-9608 Cell 
www.remotelylocated.com 
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[AFMUG] AT&T teams with Ericsson for private wireless networks on CBRS spectrum | FierceWireless

[Jaime Solorza]

https://www.fiercewireless.com/private-wireless/at-t-teams-ericsson-for-private-wireless-networks-cbrs-spectrum
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