Re: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

well - a few things that have come out now and are "known"

This station billed itself as "101.5 WJLX".  No mention of the AM .
It's assumed no one has listened to the AM for years.
Videos and posts have circulated online that the AM broadcast site hadn't been 
active for years.

This thread has determined the tower went "missing" sometime between October 
2022 and March 2023.
The site was likely in poor shape long before that.

Not sure what prompted the great "oh! it's missing!" debacle unless he was 
aware he was about to get
violated by the FCC or something.

https://www.radiodiscussions.com/threads/wjlx-wjbe-and-werh-oh-my.769948/


  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown via AF 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 19, 2024 2:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 
200-foot radio tower stolen


  Someone said they unbolted the sections.  


  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Monday, February 19, 2024 1:32 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 
200-foot radio tower stolen

  So you’re saying they used an axe?

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
  Sent: Monday, February 19, 2024 2:21 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 
200-foot radio tower stolen

   

  I was the first to jump to it being either an inside job or someone that 
really had an axe to grind with the owner.

  The effort involved in stealing a tower would not be worth the value of the 
scrap steel I would not think.  

   

   

   

  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Monday, February 19, 2024 1:16 PM

  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 
200-foot radio tower stolen

   

  Not once you cut the wires and/or steal the transmitter.

   

  But there have been multiple reports the site has been offline for years and 
lying to the FCC so they can operate via their FM repeater.  Not saying the 
reports are true, what’s the acronym now for “just asking questions”, JAQ?

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Monday, February 19, 2024 2:09 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 
200-foot radio tower stolen

   

  How does somebody steal an AM tower without getting electrocuted? arent they 
all energized? 

   

  On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 5:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Is that the “you’re not using it so it’s mine now” rule?

 

Does that apply to cars?  How about spouses?

     

    From: AF  On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2024 4:53 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 
200-foot radio tower stolen

 

 

It's in our neighboring county.  Been there, know the guy, know the station.

For those of you who don't know, I operate a LPFM in our home county (since 
2014)

 

1)  Ok, why on EARTH is this viral?  Like internationally viral?

 

2)  For all the backstory  / scuttlebutt you could ever want (and not even 
on facebook) : 

 


https://www.radiodiscussions.com/threads/wjlx-200-tower-reported-stolen.769741

 

3)  Ok, so chop chop the guy wires, the tower thuds on the ground and you 
just unscrew it in 10 foot sections

just like a rohn25, no?  I don't know how "no one" knew it was missing tho. 
 Clearly no one listens to that AM,

except for the locals, who say it has been off air for at least 5 years.

 

In my home county we have two licensed AMS,  1340 and 1460.  1460 has been 
off air for at least 5 years,

but never filed as silent and still shows as licensed.  1340 signed off 
last week - the property had been abandoned,

seized for unpaid taxes, auctioned from the federal government (all by the 
guy currently running it), and now it's being

sold for a development of houses.  Good for them.

 

Promise you lots of other AMS feeding fm translators where the AMs are also 
silent

 

 

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  From: Chuck McCown via AF 

  To: af@af.afmug.com 

  Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 

  Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 2:18 PM

  Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 
200-foot radio tower stolen

   

   

  From: Jaime Solorza 

  Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 12:42 PM

  To: Chuck McCown 

  Subject: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio 
tower stolen

   

  
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alabama-station-disbelief-200-foot-radio-tower-stolen-rcna137877
 


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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I believe that rule was eliminated years ago.  I could be wrong .  As an lpfm 
we do not have to

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From: ch...@go-mtc.com
To: "CBB - Jay Fuller" , 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot 
radio tower stolen
Date: Fri, Feb 9, 2024 5:01 PM

Don’t you have to log transmitter power each day?






From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2024 3:53 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief 
after 200-foot radio tower stolen



It's in our neighboring county.  Been there, know the 
guy, know the station.
For those of you who don't know, I operate a LPFM in our 
home county (since 2014)

1)  Ok, why on EARTH is this viral?  Like 
internationally viral?

2)  For all the backstory  / scuttlebutt you 
could ever want (and not even on facebook) : 

https://www.radiodiscussions.com/threads/wjlx-200-tower-reported-stolen.769741

3)  Ok, so chop chop the guy wires, the tower thuds 
on the ground and you just unscrew it in 10 foot sections
just like a rohn25, no?  I don't know how "no one" 
knew it was missing tho.  Clearly no one listens to that AM,
except for the locals, who say it has been off air for at 
least 5 years.

In my home county we have two licensed AMS,  1340 and 
1460.  1460 has been off air for at least 5 years,
but never filed as silent and still shows as 
licensed.  1340 signed off last week - the property had been 
abandoned,
seized for unpaid taxes, auctioned from the federal 
government (all by the guy currently running it), and now it's 
being
sold for a development of houses.  Good for
them.

Promise you lots of other AMS feeding fm translators where 
the AMs are also silent



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From: 
Chuck McCown via AF 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 2:18 
PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama 
station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen







From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 12:42 PM
To: Chuck McCown 
Subject: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot 
radio tower stolen


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alabama-station-disbelief-200-foot-radio-tower-stolen-rcna137877
 


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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

It's in our neighboring county.  Been there, know the guy, know the station.
For those of you who don't know, I operate a LPFM in our home county (since 
2014)

1)  Ok, why on EARTH is this viral?  Like internationally viral?

2)  For all the backstory  / scuttlebutt you could ever want (and not even on 
facebook) : 

https://www.radiodiscussions.com/threads/wjlx-200-tower-reported-stolen.769741

3)  Ok, so chop chop the guy wires, the tower thuds on the ground and you just 
unscrew it in 10 foot sections
just like a rohn25, no?  I don't know how "no one" knew it was missing tho.  
Clearly no one listens to that AM,
except for the locals, who say it has been off air for at least 5 years.

In my home county we have two licensed AMS,  1340 and 1460.  1460 has been off 
air for at least 5 years,
but never filed as silent and still shows as licensed.  1340 signed off last 
week - the property had been abandoned,
seized for unpaid taxes, auctioned from the federal government (all by the guy 
currently running it), and now it's being
sold for a development of houses.  Good for them.

Promise you lots of other AMS feeding fm translators where the AMs are also 
silent


  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown via AF 
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 2:18 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot 
radio tower stolen



  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 12:42 PM
  To: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower 
stolen

  
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alabama-station-disbelief-200-foot-radio-tower-stolen-rcna137877
 


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Re: [AFMUG] Attn bill

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

See I'm so old I can't even type anymore.  Hope you are well sir :)

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From: "Bill Prince" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Attn bill
Date: Fri, Sep 15, 2023 1:58 PM

Oh frag. I saw your BD coming around on the guitar; made a mental
note, and then got mental.
Lesse... I count 46 fingers and toes. 


Happy {belated} Birthday!



bp

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[AFMUG] Attn bill

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

You missed by birthday this year bill.  I thought of you though :)

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Re: [AFMUG] who caves first? charter? disney?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Most of what I want to see is available on Pluto.  I do watch some programming 
on CNBC which I don't mind paying for (my vacation rental house uses the same 
account so I "claim" it pays the bill)

- Reply message -
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] who caves first? charter? disney?
Date: Fri, Sep 15, 2023 1:40 PM

im seeing a trend toward the commercials coming back into the fray. Theres so 
much free streaming out there now with commercial breaks its cutting the big 
players throats. Im about to cancel netflix since their repository has turned 
to shit and they keep boosting prices. I only use prime video becaus eits 
included. The only market winner right now seems to be youtube tv

On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 7:00 AM Dennis Burgess  wrote:








Networks, etc., are dead, my opinion.  On demand is where it is at, ZERO 
commercials needed.    I don’t watch sports, nor have a “network TV service”.  
Netflix and YouTube premium is about it.  Lots of options, zero commercials, I 
don’t
think I have seen a commercial in at least 5 years.  Lol, unless at someone 
else’s home.    
 
The only issue is the decentralization of the streaming industry now, 
originally it was Netflix and that was about it, Disney is making crappy 
decisions, raising rates, you add HBO, Paramount, etc, and you are back to a 
cable bill.  Disney
keeps removing content, witch sucks for consumers and the people who helped 
make the movies. 

 
Movie houses are also going belly up, less and less of them. 

 


From: AF  On Behalf Of 
CBB - Jay Fuller

Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 9:49 PM

To: a...@af.afmug..com

Subject: [AFMUG] who caves first? charter? disney?




 

 



Talking heads are making it out to be a big deal.  They'll both lose a lot of 
money.  Charter may not survive



pay tv may not survive



 



my take?  per 1,000 facebook posts here last Saturday as SEC football kicked 
off, they're all dropping whatever



charter they had left and going to youtube tv.  meaning it's all being dumped 
on our networks (ok, no worries).



 



disney isn't going to lose that revenue, now it's just coming in from a 
different pay-tv provider. 




 



so i see charter being the big loser.  Those SEC football fans are going to 
find a way to get the feed.




Seems youtube tv is now getting their money - - - if they weren't before.



 



 







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[AFMUG] who caves first? charter? disney?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Talking heads are making it out to be a big deal.  They'll both lose a lot of 
money.  Charter may not survive
pay tv may not survive

my take?  per 1,000 facebook posts here last Saturday as SEC football kicked 
off, they're all dropping whatever
charter they had left and going to youtube tv.  meaning it's all being dumped 
on our networks (ok, no worries).

disney isn't going to lose that revenue, now it's just coming in from a 
different pay-tv provider.  

so i see charter being the big loser.  Those SEC football fans are going to 
find a way to get the feed. 
Seems youtube tv is now getting their money - - - if they weren't before.

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Re: [AFMUG] Are you reliant on searching?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

My windows search feature has also been periodically crashing.  Having to use 
start menu.  Wish they would fix w an update.

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From: dmmoff...@gmail.com
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Are you reliant on searching?
Date: Mon, Jul 31, 2023 5:46 PM

A few weeks ago the Windows search box was broken for me, but I was in the
middle of something where I couldn't restart my computer.  That was the
first time I'd used the Start Menu to open applications in 4 or 5 years.  I
only use Start to find the "shutdown" button.  Yes, it's faster to search by
the name of the application than to click through the Start Menu for it.  I
also use it for the Control Panel items I open most often.  For example I
start typing "ethernet" and then click "ethernet settings" as soon as it
appears and I type "device" and click on "device manager".

I don't generally search for settings in a device.  Maybe I'll try it.




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From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 4:38 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Are you reliant on searching?

We've got a new employee in his 20's.  He never browses for programs off his
start menu, but uses the windows search box for everything.

Anything that has a search box, he types into that.  I didn't even know that
the Grandstream UCM's had a search function, but he only uses that to find
settings to change.  Is this normal behavior now? Is it actually faster?

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Re: [AFMUG] Fun way to start the day. Incredible PBX Voicemail Notification

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

At least she thanked you for listening.  If you listened to the endlol

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From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: "Adam Moffett" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 

Cc: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fun way to start the day. Incredible PBX Voicemail Notification
Date: Thu, Jun 29, 2023 12:16 PM

I think that maybe our guys hand dug at that site and may have hit the 
irrigation line with a digging bar but did not notice it.  She says the 
pipe was punctured.  

In any event I called her and she bitched at me for 20 minutes.  I 
will give here a month of free service.  






From: Adam 
Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2023 10:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fun way to start the day. Incredible PBX 
Voicemail Notification







Hard 
to imagine they had low pressure ever since that install and only investigated 
today.

I found recently that in State of NY the statute of limitations on 
property damage is 3 years.  Not that they *cant* sue you after that, but 
it’s an extra hurdle that’s difficult to cross.

I received a similar complaint recently you see. .


Get Outlook 
for iOS


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behalf of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Thursday, 
June 29, 2023 11:57:19 AMTo: af@af.afmug.com 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fun way to start the day. 
Incredible PBX Voicemail Notification 


Install was done 3 years ago.  HDD install.  And 
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Re: [AFMUG] This thing on?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

That's good.  I gotta post that on my Facebook

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Cc: 
Subject: [AFMUG] This thing on?
Date: Wed, Jun 21, 2023 5:53 PM

Greta Thunberg day.  5 years ago today Greta Thunberg, climate activist, 
tweeted, "A 
top climate scientist is warning that climate change will wipe out all of 
humanity unless we stop using fossil fuels over the next five years." 


The tweet has since been deleted. However, today is our last day 
before catastrophic, world-wide destruction. Have a great day! 


Just respecting my impending death.  






From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2023 4:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] This thing on?


Errbody dead?


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Re: [AFMUG] Yealink "Forbidden"

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I would take one of their phones completely offsite, preferably to a completely 
different provider (or if that isn't possible, another segment of your 
network).   If they work fine there, it is probably a problem there in your 
network.  Likely if it says forbidden again it's a problem with the voip 
provider.  We're a grandstream shop here but when i've seen forbidden it is 
almost always a voip provider problem.

Good luck!  I usually don't give network advice, i'm by far not the smartest 
guy here. :)


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  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2023 1:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yealink "Forbidden"


  I was hoping somebody would know would triggers a “Forbidden” message on the 
Yealink’s screen.  I can assume, but I don’t know.

   

  “Do other devices have issues or are all issues isolated to Zoom phones?” ß 
good question.  The phones are in focus because having no phones is an emergent 
issue.  I can’t prove there aren’t any other related issues.  That’s part of 
why I want to understand what’s happening.  It’s an apartment building.  If 
there are tenants having some weirdly specific issue like this they might not 
have reported it yet.

   

  You see two subnets because I moved the phones to a different VLAN….that was 
something their IT guy suggested.  The one in 100.64.x.x is just unplugged or 
something and that was the last known IP.  

   

  I appreciate the suggestions regarding ALG and Firewall rules, but those have 
been checked and re-checked.   

   

  We do provide the Internet access, and for historical reasons we do also 
control the router and switches.  We’re moving away from managed systems like 
that, but for the next 6 months or so it’s still in my purview.  

   

  What we did change on Monday was layer2 topology.  There were literally 10 
switches in between these phones and the router.  Now there are 2.  That should 
be better if anything.  They’re blaming their issues on that change, but I 
don’t see how.  It’s the same switches except I jumpered up a different fiber 
path through the building to shorten that 10 switch daisy chain.  The only 
thing new is a couple of SFP transceivers on previously unused ports.  I did 
compare port settings and there’s no difference between new and old.  I might 
go swap transceivers, but that would be an act of desperation because it would 
make no sense.  

   

  I haven’t talked to Zoom directly, but if the customer’s IT guy is to be 
believed they are remarkably unhelpful.  

   

  Also exciting is the customer is part of a larger corporation and their IT 
guy is in another state.  The best we can do for remote hands is a maintenance 
person.  I can go there again and play around, but I don’t wanna.  Firstly, I 
got other stuff to do.  Secondly, there’s the “post hoc ergo propter hoc” 
issue.  Any time people see you touch something they may assume any problem 
they have for the next month is because you were there.  “I can’t print, car 
won’t start, and there’s a wasp nest in the attic…..I bet it was that damn 
internet guy.”

   

  -Adam

   

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2023 1:12 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yealink "Forbidden"

   

  Are the two private subnets in the screenshot the one network at the one 
location?  Are you providing the internet?  Do you have SIP ALG enabled?  Do 
other devices have issues or are all issues isolated to Zoom phones?

   

  On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 12:47 PM  wrote:

Apparently Zoom tier1 isn’t helping.  “Check your firewall settings” and 
other basic stuff.  I don’t know if they’re just script readers or if this IT 
guy doesn’t know what to ask.  

 

I don’t want to be the guy who just points fingers at the other guy, so I’m 
trying.  I just wish I could capture the SIP messages….friggin TLS so super 
secure that I can’t friggin help you.  If only the world had no bad people, 
then we wouldn’t need security.

I want to hear Steve Jones’s plan for eliminating all the bad people.  I 
bet he has one.

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2023 10:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yealink "Forbidden"

 

This is really simple. If they can ping the internet or do anything else 
that requires internet at the same time the phones show offline, it's not your 
problem. They should be contacting their phone provider.

 

Their voip provider can provide them host names to ping or trace to in 
order to troubleshoot. If you don't sell the voip, you shouldn't be 
troubleshooting it aside from making sure your network ping, jitter, and 
packetloss are normal. 

 

On Wed, May 3, 2023, 8:13 AM  wrote:

  I’m trying to help a customer with their Yealink phones.  Their provider 
is Zoom.

  I’m 99% sure 

Re: [AFMUG] Short Term Employee

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Once you delegate then follow up to see if / how they have completed the 
project is that micromanaging?  It's a sinking feeling if you learn they didn't 
do something you asked them to do.  "I forgot" isn't the best answer.. ...

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From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
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Subject: [AFMUG] Short Term Employee
Date: Mon, Apr 10, 2023 10:16 AM

It is always a fine line between training, course corrections and 
micro-managing.  I tend to over delegate and under train at times.  I 
don’t always notice the glazed over eyes when I think they got it.  
Employees are sometimes very reluctant to tell you they don’t have it, don’t 
understand or need to go over something again.

I did have to teach a whole batch of youngsters how to sweep a couple of 
years ago.  We were microtrenching in a city street and they needed to 
sweep up the street.  Big push brooms, and that is what they did, the 
pushed them.  Of course leaving a trail of crap behind them.  I 
literally had a broom lesson with five (allegedly) adult men in the residential 
streets of Salt Lake City...




From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 7:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Short Term Employee


Im new to owning a company and really struggling with being the 
boss boss. One of the big things im struggling with is identifying where i am 
micromanaging. Im not saying you are micromanaging and Im not saying he was 
doing a good job, but I do find that because of my situation at my full time 
job 
where i was the only guy so everything was designed around things being done 
with only two hands that its hard to let go of any detail on any process. At 
that job ive been stepping back and allowing them to build their own processes, 
not at all the way i would do it, in the end the outcome is success some of the 
times (the bosses kid is replacing me, so access to better tools and materials 
is helping that along). In my boss man role I am catching myself micromanaging, 
telling a guy how to hold a shovel when hes already dug a five foot hole faster 
than me. 

The point is, make sure he is definitely fucking up, and not assuming hes 
fucking up just because of a different process than you would use. Talking more 
than working, make sure he was not just talking more than you and working less 
than you, hes not the owner and doesnt have to, his skin in the game resets 
every payday.

I really doubt your the asshole here, but you are an aging nerd, and we 
nerds tend to become fickle with years.

He is calling OSHA, but that shouldnt be a concern, you just hit the osha 
guy with a pipe and put him in the dumpster, landfills are full of OSHA 
inspectors. But really, im coming to find out OSHA compliance isnt the beast it 
is presented as, just dont let him see your triple stacked boxes falling
over

The “I 
guess I am going to have to ignore my own exceptionalism to be able work here” 
was enough to fire him. Thats a poison apple statement, even if its accurate, 
that guy would have poisoned your workforce dynamic if he would say something 
like that to the boss, he definitely would design mutiny amongst labor.  
FYI, he cant call OSHA if hes in the landfill with the OSHA 
guys.


On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 2:48 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
 wrote:




I hired a guy to be a production manager over our grout mixing machine 
product.  
He came with a pedigree of doing this at other places.  I didn’t 
check him out, just trusted the resume.

He did have interesting ideas but soon it became evident:
He liked to sit and talk –alot.
He did not want to start helping cleaning up the bill of materials 
(primary job responsibility). (did absolutely nothing along those lines) 


He wanted us to farm things out to his buddies (like have fastenal kit 
the nuts and bolts, have this other company make your sheet metal for 
you).

OK, was trying to absorb ideas and suggestions.  After all he was 
over building all the production equipment at the local Purple Mattress 
factory (or so he said).

I expected him to help task employees in his department, but soon when 
asked where they were and what were they doing, he had no idea.  
I gave them a task to modify a mounting fixture by cutting it and
inserting 10” of steel tubing.  Rather than have them do what I asked, he 
took new steel and made one from scratch.
So he wasted the steel, his time and he used too thin of material.  
Took two hours.  

I told him you could make the modification in 10 minutes, he argued that 
point.  
So I took a stand, cut it, extended it, using a stopwatch.  3 
minutes 43 seconds

When I complained about it, he said that my fixtures were too weak and 
they were going to kill someone.  I demoed one with about 10X load not 
failing.  
Then he started complaining about other things, deflecting that he did 
not do what I asked and did something else wasteful and substandard.  

Interspersed with my request was 

Re: [AFMUG] Ticketing systems

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Seems like at one point everything was rt / request tracker.  That not around 
anymore ?

- Reply message -
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To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Cc: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ticketing systems
Date: Sun, Apr 9, 2023 10:22 AM

What are these tickets of which you speak

Ohhh yes, I have dim memories of “the time before fiber” when things would 
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Re: [AFMUG] Yo yo

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

We lost a tower on the edge of our network but had lost most of the customers 
to competing fiber anyway.  This area has been overrun by an Electric co-op.

- Reply message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Yo yo
Date: Tue, Apr 4, 2023 8:12 AM

I'm actually impressed you have time for the list!  People were just screwed 
over the weekend down there :(

On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 12:56 AM CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:





Must protect the children.lol 

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Cc: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Yo yo
Date: Mon, Apr 3, 2023 10:16 PM




The white house is having me suppress content

 

 



 


From: TJ Trout 


Sent: Monday, April 3, 2023 7:12 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yo yo


 


I was actually thinking this message got scrubbed from the list for 
having a pic attached, looks like it actually made it! I'm alive-ish =) we are 
having 50mph winds here in California, just had a tree fall on 7.2kv lines by 
my 
house, made such a horrid noise I thought my AC compressor was exploding!

 


On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 4:43 PM CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:




 

Y'all out there ?  Awful quiet

 

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Trout" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave 
Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] 
FS: EZ RJ45s  Crimpers
Date: Fri, Mar 31, 2023 10:00 
AM

 


I ordered a ton of connectors and crimpers during the shortage and I'm a 
bit overstocked now but luckily we got a volume discount if anyone needs any. 
We have used tens of thousands in our network and sold many more.  
 

Passthru/EZ, 50 micron gold with ground wire lug. The crimpers are really 
nice!

 

1000 utp cat5e ez $300

1000 ftp cat5e ez esd $400

1000 ftp cat6 ez esd staggered conductor $500

Every 1,000 ordered includes 3 crimpers and 21 blades

 

Free shipping if you pay via Zelle to t...@voltbb.com 
or +$25 for PayPal to t...@pcguys.us 

Include your shipping information in the payment memo

 

-TJ


 

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Re: [AFMUG] Yo yo

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Must protect the children.lol

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Cc: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Yo yo
Date: Mon, Apr 3, 2023 10:16 PM

The white house is having me suppress content






From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Monday, April 3, 2023 7:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yo yo


I was actually thinking this message got scrubbed from the list for 
having a pic attached, looks like it actually made it! I'm alive-ish =) we are 
having 50mph winds here in California, just had a tree fall on 7.2kv lines by 
my 
house, made such a horrid noise I thought my AC compressor was exploding!


On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 4:43 PM CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:




Y'all out there ?  Awful quiet

- Reply message -From: "TJ 
Trout" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave 
Users Group" Subject: [AFMUG] 
FS: EZ RJ45s  CrimpersDate: Fri, Mar 31, 2023 10:00 
AM


I ordered a ton of connectors and crimpers during the shortage and I'm a 
bit overstocked now but luckily we got a volume discount if anyone needs any. 
We have used tens of thousands in our network and sold many more.  

Passthru/EZ, 50 micron gold with ground wire lug. The crimpers are really 
nice!

1000 utp cat5e ez $300
1000 ftp cat5e ez esd $400
1000 ftp cat6 ez esd staggered conductor $500
Every 1,000 ordered includes 3 crimpers and 21 blades

Free shipping if you pay via Zelle to t...@voltbb.com 
or +$25 for PayPal to t...@pcguys.us 
Include your shipping information in the payment memo

-TJ

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[AFMUG] Yo yo

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Y'all out there ?  Awful quiet

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From: "TJ Trout" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] FS: EZ RJ45s  Crimpers
Date: Fri, Mar 31, 2023 10:00 AM

I ordered a ton of connectors and crimpers during the shortage and I'm a bit 
overstocked now but luckily we got a volume discount if anyone needs any. We 
have used tens of thousands in our network and sold many more. 
Passthru/EZ, 50 micron gold with ground wire lug. The crimpers are really nice!

1000 utp cat5e ez $300
1000 ftp cat5e ez esd $400
1000 ftp cat6 ez esd staggered conductor $500
Every 1,000 ordered includes 3 crimpers and 21 blades

Free shipping if you pay via Zelle to t...@voltbb.com or +$25 for PayPal to 
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Re: [AFMUG] Cisco Licensing

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Can't you find a key generator on a wareZ site it something or just grab a kid 
and have him hack it?   That's the American way no ?

- Reply message -
From: "Dev" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cisco Licensing
Date: Wed, Mar 15, 2023 8:13 PM

I’ve seen firewall folks upselling security feeds as add-ons, but when it comes 
to paywalling critical exploitable vulnerabilies, that feels more like 
exploitation by deliberate omission if you ‘choose’ not to spend a nice 
vacation’s pay to get back on their support treadmill so bad guys don’t flatten 
your network and demand a ransom. Some ransoms are more legal than others. 
Better support too - maybe.On Mar 15, 2023, at 5:32 PM, Mark Radabaugh 
 wrote:
I think you are going to find Juniper heading in that direction as well.
Take a look at white box hardware like UfiSpace or EdgeCore and software like 
IPInfusion.   Long term I think you might be happier.

MarkOn Mar 15, 2023, at 8:22 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:
And that's why we're switching to juniper.
Cisco has moved to a model where the software and hardware are licensed or sold 
separately on most platforms and the software is subscription based.

Not sure what the situation is with the 3660, but some revert to very basic 
functionality.   
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 4:08 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
I just picked up a used Cisco 3650 switch off Ebay because I needed 48 
POE ports that can do Vlans on the cheap.  When I go into the 
'Licensing' screen through the browser, it shows Authorization Status 
'EVAL MODE' with a 90 day countdown timer.  Will the switch stop working 
after 90 days?  I haven't used anything Cisco in a long time.  3500 
switches were the last thing I dabbled with.

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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Proposes $62 Million penalty against Q Link Wireless for violation of EBB program rules

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

interesting reading.  glad we didn't participate in the connected device program

  - Original Message - 
  From: Steve Jones 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2023 9:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Proposes $62 Million penalty against Q Link Wireless 
for violation of EBB program rules


  Weird stuff to redact. Seems this should all be public info since it was the 
publics money. Monetary recompense is nice and all, but until we start 
executing owners in the town square, violently, every program will be scam 
full. Maybe we dont execute everybody, but we cut off their hands that were in 
the cookie jar and use images of their nubs to remind would be thieves that 
their ability to rub one out will be greatly diminished. Could even offset some 
of the pilfered funds through auctions of their fingers and various hand bones.


  On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 2:52 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:

docs.fcc.gov  
 



So many redactions, it’s like reading the Mueller report.


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[AFMUG] OT: Movie Review

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

A man called Otto.   Hey, wife and I were just happy to be able to get out and 
see a movie.  Plus, we were recovering from my selection last weekend, Babylon. 
 Best thing I can say about Babylon was the sound track.  Good stuff.  Rest of 
it was garbage LOL

Man called Otto.  This is a remake of a movie that did really well overseas a 
few years ago apparently.  Very much the same story line.
Good stuff, carry a tissue with you.  For once they didn't give away the entire 
plot in the previews.  We all know grumpy old men like
Otto.   We rarely know their backstory

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Mystery Antennas on SLC peaks

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

From what I read it was an absolute pain to get stuff up on the peaks.  So much 
of a pain the government does not necessarily want to pull it down.

At first I thought a new wispbut I don't live out that way.  And I mean 
gotta get bandwidth from somewhere no ?

- Reply message -
From: "Ryan Ray" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Mystery Antennas on SLC peaks
Date: Sat, Jan 14, 2023 6:41 PM

Tell us how you really feel Steve

On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 1:45 PM Steve Jones  wrote:
Fuck these degenerates. I'd open their battery box and fill it with tattle 
snakes then cut their cable. I'd sharpen a bunch of sticks and dip them in 
spoiled shit from various animals and inmates, put them sticking up 10 feet 
back with a trip wire. That way when they open their box they get snakebit and 
stumble backward tripping and falling into the rancid shit spears. This way, 
even if they survive the snake bite they go septic from the infected wounds and 
die miserably alone in a hospital bed with no ones hand to hold

On Sat, Jan 14, 2023, 11:15 AM Robert  wrote:





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium_Network



On 1/14/23 8:31 AM, Bill Prince wrote:





It’s a mystery



Public lands officials in Salt Lake City are trying to solve a
mystery: Who is placing antennae with solar panels on public
property? KSL-TV reported on Jan. 4 that a few of the devices
were found about a year ago, but more have been discovered in
recent months. The locked battery boxes, solar panels and
antennae “have been bolted into different peaks and summits and
ridges around the foothills,” said Tyler Fonarow, the city’s
recreational trails manager. He hopes to educate the public that
items cannot be installed on public lands. 

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Re: [AFMUG] Nfinitrbroadband

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Oh.  Happy new year all !

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: 
Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Nfinitrbroadband
Date: Sat, Dec 31, 2022 11:44 AM

Advertising gig fiber over the air.  Who and what are they really?
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Re: [AFMUG] Nfinitrbroadband

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Dallin Boyce - CEO


Fota...fiber over the air.  Ok.  ?

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: 
Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Nfinitrbroadband
Date: Sat, Dec 31, 2022 11:44 AM

Advertising gig fiber over the air.  Who and what are they really?
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Re: [AFMUG] CnHeat

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I was feeling lonely.  I feel better now.

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: 
Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
Subject: [AFMUG] CnHeat
Date: Wed, Nov 2, 2022 3:06 PM

You have to wait for the CTS




From: Bill 
Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2022 1:59 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CnHeat


Um. Er. Received.
bp

On 11/2/2022 12:52 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:







Um.  Er.  Test.  

- Reply message -From: dmmoffett@gmail.comTo: "'AnimalFarm 
Microwave Users Group'" mailto:af@af.afmug.comSubject: [AFMUG] 
CnHeatDate: Mon, Oct 31, 2022 12:22 PM


Can Cambium use CnHeat for planning WiFi deployments, or is 
it only for PMP products?



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Re: [AFMUG] CnHeat

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Um.  Er.  Test.

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To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: [AFMUG] CnHeat
Date: Mon, Oct 31, 2022 12:22 PM

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Re: [AFMUG] Old Canopy FW upgrade

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I was ready to chime in.  Glad you got it.

- Reply message -
From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Old Canopy FW upgrade
Date: Mon, Oct 17, 2022 2:27 PM

Bill,

Got it.  Gave up on trying to do an update directly on the unit.  Just set th 
AP to auto-update and it took care of it for me.

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BP> IIRC, CNUT not only uses the SNMP community string, but it also needs to 
login to the SM. Make sure you have the username/password set for CLI access.


BP> bp
BP> 

BP> On 10/17/2022 11:09 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
>> I still have a couple of customers on Canopy FSK900.  Had to replace a radio 
>> due to storm damage.  Radio is at FW 7.2.9.  I'm trying to upgrade to 10.5.  
>> Dusted off all my CNUT stuff.  Have everything loaded and discovered, but 
>> keep getting "No SNMP response" from SM.  I can log into SM and see the SNMP 
>> community and it matches the CNUT settings.  Tried v1 and v2c with no luck.  
>> Any ideas?
>>>
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>>   Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>
>> Myakka Communications
>> www.Myakka.com
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] amber alert

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Not sure that is all there is to it.  I have an old phone that I keep this 
laying around generally on Wi-Fi to listen to podcasts and a few other things.  
Only wifi.  No sim in it.  It still gets those alerts.

- Reply message -
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] amber alert
Date: Wed, Sep 21, 2022 10:24 AM

Everything sent to cell phone with a pair of keys.  One key is in your SIM 
card, and the other is in the EPC at the cell company’s head end.  I
assume the amber alert is still encrypted like everything else. Could be wrong, 
 but you might have to crack that to send anything to your phone that it would 
listen to.








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To: af@af.afmug.com 

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Subject: [AFMUG] amber alert







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Re: [AFMUG] USAC / RDOF / YAY

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Thank you Josh.
No payment yet, we were just authorized last week.
Long story.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2022 10:16 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] USAC / RDOF / YAY


  We are using Inteserra.


  We give them money and they file.  Get all the information together now and 
then talk to them Monday.  Tom Forte should still be able to help you get 
started (he's contracted sales).


  thefor...@hotmail.com theforty...@gmail.com


  I don't see how being done by tomorrow morning is possible.  Have you been 
getting your payments without filing the 498??? HOW???


  On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 5:46 PM CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:


We won some RDOF funds.  Yay us.  Trying to fill out the 498 paperwork 
which requires a 499 number.

Trying to fill out the 499 paperwork.  OK, this was coming anyway.

Who is the most popular used registered DC agent?  Who do most of you use?  
Whats required to enter
into an arragement for this?  USAC wants this done in about negative 3 
days.  They'd like all this done 
by Monday.

Ugh.


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[AFMUG] USAC / RDOF / YAY

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

We won some RDOF funds.  Yay us.  Trying to fill out the 498 paperwork which 
requires a 499 number.

Trying to fill out the 499 paperwork.  OK, this was coming anyway.

Who is the most popular used registered DC agent?  Who do most of you use?  
Whats required to enter
into an arragement for this?  USAC wants this done in about negative 3 days.  
They'd like all this done 
by Monday.

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Re: [AFMUG] Happy birthday Jay Fuller

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Thanks y'all.  I took a while week off ... Something I haven't done since covid 
I am sure

- Reply message -
From: "DJ Anderson" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Happy birthday Jay Fuller
Date: Fri, Sep 9, 2022 8:41 AM

I don't post on here much, but this one was worth it. Happy Birthday Jay! 

DJ Anderson
Cell: 502-647-8101
- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 8:51:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy birthday Jay Fuller

The Queen is dead, long live Jay.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2022, at 10:18 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> According to my cheat sheet, Jay is 45 today. Queen Elizabeth was so 
> surprised, she dropped dead.
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Re: [AFMUG] BDC

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

guess not

still gotta report everything

https://us-fcc.app.box.com/v/bdc-availability-spec

on page 27 it says

Maximum advertised download speed, in Mbps,offered to the enduser(s)at 
thelocation.  Enter the value as an integer.  The system will reject a file if 
the value in this field is not an integerand does not meet the requirements 
below.  Itwill not round or truncate decimals.Service Below 25/3 
MbpsRegardingthe maximum advertised speedsof the service offered, if 
thedownload is less than 25 Mbps orthe upload isless than 3 Mbps, but eitherthe 
download or upload speed is at least 200 kbps, then report using one of the 
following service tiers:1)If the maximum advertiseddownload speed is less than 
10 Mbpsorthe maximum advertised upload speed is less than 1 Mbps: enter0.The 
system will ask the filer to confirm thatthe service offered falls in this 
tier.2)If the maximum advertised download speed is greater than or equal to 10 
Mbps andthe maximum advertised upload speed is greater than or equal to 1 Mbps: 
enter 10.


  - Original Message - 
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 3:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC



  is the requirement still 25 meg and up?

- Original Message - 
From: Cameron Crum 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC


Dang...hope she feels better. 


On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 5:27 PM Larry Smith  wrote:


  Ouch for sure, Prayers.

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  On Mon August 22 2022 16:59, David Hannum wrote:
  > 1.1 cm. . . Sorry.   11cm   Holy cow
  >
  > On Mon, Aug 22, 2022, 5:56 PM David Hannum  wrote:
  > > Cameron,
  > >
  > > Sorry to delay getting back today.  Been at hospital all day with my
  > > wife.  Monster 11cm kidney stone.  Going into surgery now!
  > >
  > > Dave
  > >
  > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2022, 1:57 PM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:
  > >> Brian Webster and crew are doing ours.  Super good value!
  > >>
  > >> *From:* David Hannum
  > >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2022 8:33 PM
  > >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  > >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC
  > >>
  > >> Thanks!
  > >>
  > >> On Sun, Aug 21, 2022, 8:12 PM Cameron Crum  
wrote:
  > >>> We will depending on what you have and how you got it. Call us
  > >>> tomorrow. regulatorysolutions.us
  > >>>
  > >>> Cameron
  > >>>
  > >>> On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 7:04 PM David Hannum 
  > >>>
  > >>> wrote:
  > >>>> Did I read someone here stated some of you would review BDC filings
  > >>>> and sign off on them?  Are the details of this posted somewhere?
  > >>>>
  > >>>> Thanks!
  > >>>> Dave Hannum
  > >>>> New Era Broadband
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Re: [AFMUG] BDC

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

is the requirement still 25 meg and up?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Cameron Crum 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 5:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC


  Dang...hope she feels better. 


  On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 5:27 PM Larry Smith  wrote:


Ouch for sure, Prayers.

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On Mon August 22 2022 16:59, David Hannum wrote:
> 1.1 cm. . . Sorry.   11cm   Holy cow
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022, 5:56 PM David Hannum  wrote:
> > Cameron,
> >
> > Sorry to delay getting back today.  Been at hospital all day with my
> > wife.  Monster 11cm kidney stone.  Going into surgery now!
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 22, 2022, 1:57 PM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:
> >> Brian Webster and crew are doing ours.  Super good value!
> >>
> >> *From:* David Hannum
> >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2022 8:33 PM
> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> On Sun, Aug 21, 2022, 8:12 PM Cameron Crum  wrote:
> >>> We will depending on what you have and how you got it. Call us
> >>> tomorrow. regulatorysolutions.us
> >>>
> >>> Cameron
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 7:04 PM David Hannum 
> >>>
> >>> wrote:
>  Did I read someone here stated some of you would review BDC filings
>  and sign off on them?  Are the details of this posted somewhere?
> 
>  Thanks!
>  Dave Hannum
>  New Era Broadband
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Re: [AFMUG] Movie Review

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Wife and I saw it.  Of course we loved it.  But we also own a radio station.  
And I also used to work at a radio station owned by Sam Phillips family.  I 
worked with his sons.  I think he was long gone by then 

I will see it again.

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From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: 
Cc: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Movie Review
Date: Sat, Jun 25, 2022 11:04 PM

Elvis
Meh
Wait for streaming.

Didn’t like how they did the first half.  
I really thought Elvis ditched Col. Tom Parker before he died, guess 
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Re: [AFMUG] Movie Review

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Wife and I have amc a list stubs account.  For two years during covid we were 
basically the only people seeing the movie.  Before Maverick maybe 7 in the 
theatre.  A list meant for a Netflix type fee we see unlimited movies.

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Movie Review
Date: Mon, Jun 27, 2022 10:02 PM

Is it true you get half the ticket receipts?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 27, 2022, at 7:31 PM, Darin Steffl  wrote:


I'm biased because I bought a single screen theater in my hometown right 
before lockdowns in March 2020.
I offered half the listing price because of covid coming and the sellers 
accepted. We've been open since Godzilla in March 2021 and things have been 
doing better.

I can say with certainty that my $50k projector and sound system blows any of 
your home theaters out of the water haha!

That said, I prefer to watch new releases alone on days we're closed or after 
the public shows because people are generally annoying. Getting up to use the 
bathroom, dropping things on the wood floor, talking, etc. All the things you 
all hate, I hate too. But we keep a clean theater, have the best popcorn I've 
ever tasted, we're friendly, and I'm renovating things slowly over 2-3 years to 
repair and upgrade this 1937 theater.

We just added a small 2nd screen upstairs so we can show more than one movie at 
a time. 4k laser projector is coming next year with heated recliners too.

The movie industry is not dead and continues to be resilient coming out of 
covid. The downside to this industry is we rely on good movies being released. 
If the studios release a bunch of duds, theaters don't do well. So we're at the 
mercy of the product that shows on our screens.

Top Gun Maverick is one of my favorite movies now! I've seen it 3 times and 
we're bringing it back for a week again starting July 1 because it did so well 
for us in the first 2 weeks we had it. I'll watch it a 4th time. 

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022, 7:22 PM Bill Prince  wrote:





Not quite everything for me. For live events that have CC, the CC 
is about 10-15 seconds behind the actual dialog, so I turn it off 
because it becomes distracting. 
Sometimes when they have CC, there is silence after the person 
has said something that appears to me to be a complete sentence, 
yet the CC adds some pithy little thing that (I think) they didn't 
actually say. 



bp 
 
On 6/27/2022 4:37 PM, Chuck McCown via 
AF wrote:







I have CC on everything anymore.  






From: Nate 
Burke 

Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 5:23 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users 
Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Movie Review









Closed 
Captions, so you can understand what is being said, and 
Being able to pause for snack breaks (or rebooting the 
laundry) far outweigh the draw of the big screen for us.  



Although, When I stream, is it truly using my 9.2 surround?  




On 6/27/2022 6:15 PM, Bill 
Prince wrote:




. And rolling jawbreakers down the isle. 
Now that's funny 

bp 
 
On 6/27/2022 2:17 PM, Steve 
Jones wrote:




I detest the movie theater. theres always 
fools with phones on, smacking their lips, talking. 
God only know what communicable diseases youre 
catching off the seats. they dont even use real butter 
anymore.  


I remember seeing movies like Airplane and 
whatnot in the theaters and watching people get up 
and leave at the credits and missing the funny stuff 
in them. And rolling jawbreakers down the isle.






On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 
at 12:08 PM Bill Prince  
wrote:





I've found for the last 10 years or so that 
"going to the movies" adds zero to the quality 
of my life. 
Am I an outlier? 

bp 
 
On 6/27/2022 9:53 AM, Steven Kenney via AF 
wrote:





Go 
see Maverick.  Everything else out there 
from Hollywood is garbage.   






On Sun, Jun 
26, 2022 at 12:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
 
wrote:







Elvis

Meh

Wait for streaming.



Didn’t like how they did the 
first half.  

I really thought Elvis ditched 
Col. Tom Parker before he died, 
guess not.  







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Re: [AFMUG] BBS

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I remember qemm and deskview...multitasking.  maybe run a 2nd line as 
paidyour paid membership callers get access to that line.  First line is 
free

Eventually I used the second line as my internet line.  I graduated high school 
in 1995same year we got dialup internet.

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From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG]BBS
Date: Fri, Jun 10, 2022 7:55 PM

Legend of the red dragon.  And yes...lots of trade wars 

- Reply message -
From: "James Howard" 
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
Date: Fri, Jun 10, 2022 4:37 PM

Empire seems to ring a bell.  It’s been over 30 years so kind of hazy and most 
of the time spent was the middle of the night.  It’s amazing how much less 
sleep I used to need apparently. From: AF  On Behalf 
Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 3:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Steven Kenney 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
Trade wars yes.. there was a stock market game and a game called "empire" I 
believe
On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 1:05 PM Daniel Pautz via AF  wrote:
Just normal intel machines running Novel netware lite then qemm or some other 
multi tasking dos setup,  the BBS software was simple Wildcat and later 
Syncronet (they actually have a website up where you can get the freeware setup 
and run bbs’s now via good old telnet J   and yeah  the games were a blast,  
too much time wasted,  leagon of the red dragon (lord) was huge back then,  or 
trade wars… Anyone into hardware these days wouldn’t even understand how basic 
stuff was,   a few hundred MB HDD was nearly a grand,  to get lots of files 
online for download cd changers would be used,  pretty cool how it all worked.  
  Ahh the good old days,  long before kids, house payments,  employees,  or 
even Nagy clients, sub dollar gas, etc.   From: AF  On 
Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 9:42 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
What did you run the BBS on?  Our biggest local BBS ran on an Amiga 2000 with 
24 modems but I don’t remember much else about it.  I was one of the sysops for 
a while………. Best part of it was the games.  The Risk type game was pretty much 
determined by whoever got in first after Midnight (when you could make the 
moves for the day) who knew what they were doing. From: AF 
 On Behalf Of Daniel Pautz via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 4:40 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: Daniel Pautz 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
M I miss my Commodore 64,  or later the multi like BBS running out of my 
mom’s house,  good old US Robotics modems for the win!  From: AF 
 On Behalf Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2022 3:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Steven Kenney 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
I still remember upgrading from my 300baud modem to a 1200... holy crap did 
that cursor go across the screen much faster.  
On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 3:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
That reminds me, anyone know how to set the spark retard lever on a Model T to 
start it...  
Gotta run, late for my job at the buggy whip factory...

(DSL was pretty cool when it was new, but so was ISDN).  

From: James Howard 
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:27 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?


Come on man.  We are confused by one acronym so you throw 3 more at us?  BMU, 
LNS, LAC……..   this is Thursday!  Maybe ask again on Monday when some brain 
cells are still working?   From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Steven Kenney 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
Ok let me rephrase.  Has anyone used Mikrotik as a BMU as an LNS server to 
connect to another provider's LAC server.   With powercode managing the leases. 

Just curious if it can be done. 
On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 2:38 PM James Howard  wrote:
I think he meant diesel in a power stroke but we only have a Duramax…… From: AF 
 On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
What is this DSL you speak of?

From: Steven Kenney via AF 
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 11:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Steven Kenney 
Subject: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?


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[AFMUG] BBS

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Legend of the red dragon.  And yes...lots of trade wars

- Reply message -
From: "James Howard" 
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
Date: Fri, Jun 10, 2022 4:37 PM

Empire seems to ring a bell.  It’s been over 30 years so kind of hazy and most 
of the time spent was the middle of the night.  It’s amazing how much less 
sleep I used to need apparently. From: AF  On Behalf 
Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 3:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Steven Kenney 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
Trade wars yes.. there was a stock market game and a game called "empire" I 
believe
On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 1:05 PM Daniel Pautz via AF  wrote:
Just normal intel machines running Novel netware lite then qemm or some other 
multi tasking dos setup,  the BBS software was simple Wildcat and later 
Syncronet (they actually have a website up where you can get the freeware setup 
and run bbs’s now via good old telnet J   and yeah  the games were a blast,  
too much time wasted,  leagon of the red dragon (lord) was huge back then,  or 
trade wars… Anyone into hardware these days wouldn’t even understand how basic 
stuff was,   a few hundred MB HDD was nearly a grand,  to get lots of files 
online for download cd changers would be used,  pretty cool how it all worked.  
  Ahh the good old days,  long before kids, house payments,  employees,  or 
even Nagy clients, sub dollar gas, etc.   From: AF  On 
Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 9:42 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
What did you run the BBS on?  Our biggest local BBS ran on an Amiga 2000 with 
24 modems but I don’t remember much else about it.  I was one of the sysops for 
a while………. Best part of it was the games.  The Risk type game was pretty much 
determined by whoever got in first after Midnight (when you could make the 
moves for the day) who knew what they were doing. From: AF 
 On Behalf Of Daniel Pautz via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 4:40 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: Daniel Pautz 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
M I miss my Commodore 64,  or later the multi like BBS running out of my 
mom’s house,  good old US Robotics modems for the win!  From: AF 
 On Behalf Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2022 3:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Steven Kenney 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
I still remember upgrading from my 300baud modem to a 1200... holy crap did 
that cursor go across the screen much faster.  
On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 3:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
That reminds me, anyone know how to set the spark retard lever on a Model T to 
start it...  
Gotta run, late for my job at the buggy whip factory...

(DSL was pretty cool when it was new, but so was ISDN).  

From: James Howard 
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:27 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?


Come on man.  We are confused by one acronym so you throw 3 more at us?  BMU, 
LNS, LAC……..   this is Thursday!  Maybe ask again on Monday when some brain 
cells are still working?   From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Steven Kenney 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
Ok let me rephrase.  Has anyone used Mikrotik as a BMU as an LNS server to 
connect to another provider's LAC server.   With powercode managing the leases. 

Just curious if it can be done. 
On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 2:38 PM James Howard  wrote:
I think he meant diesel in a power stroke but we only have a Duramax…… From: AF 
 On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
What is this DSL you speak of?

From: Steven Kenney via AF 
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 11:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Steven Kenney 
Subject: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?


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Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I was pretty sure this was already done around here.   Still a liability when 
school starts and ends.

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From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...
Date: Mon, Jun 6, 2022 12:38 PM

Why not equip all school doors with electrically controlled latches.  
Fire alarm automatically disables them unless there is a concurrent lock down 
alarm.  (Or maybe not.)  This would be very easy to do.  Even 
retrofit with wireless control.  Give all staff a pendent button 
lanyard.  Several buttons.  EMS, Shooter, Lower priority help 
button.  There is some money to be made there...




From: Andy Trimmell 
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 10:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...



If 
anything shoots back or has the ability to do so most of them aren’t too 
interested in that from what I’ve experienced.  They get very upset if you 
don’t disclose if you had bullets or guns in the fire they’re working. If they 
find out they pull all of the fire fighters out.  

I’d 
be interested to see what a Department of Education Task Force or Police Force 
would look like to protect schools on a federal level.

But 
I’m all for 1st responders actually responding instead of spending 
their time fighting parents who want to go in and help save lives. I’m also for 
raising the age that a person can obtain a semi-automatic rifle and I’d like 
some kind of health screening done to obtain them. 

I 
have no problem passing a mental health screening to obtain 
anymore.

Just 
my opinion





From: AF 
[mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill PrinceSent: 
Monday, June 06, 2022 12:14 PMTo: af@af.afmug.comSubject: 
Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

Not a totally terribly idea..
I should point out that the city of Sunnyvale California eliminated the "fire 
department" many years ago (we lived in Sunnyvale until 1996). They have 
"Public 
Safety Officers". These officers patrol the city in police cruisers, and where 
they roam is determined by an algorithm that attempts to predict where they 
might be needed. Each officer has their fire fighting gear in the trunk of the 
cruiser so that if there's a fire, they will be ready. 
They city saved an enormous amount of money by combining the two departments, 
and their success rate is very good.
bp

On 6/6/2022 9:05 AM, Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:




I may regret posting 
this but I had a thought.



How about we let the 
fire department handle active shooters at schools.  


They know how to get 
there fast.  They are ready to go at an instants notice.  


They know how to 
breach any building and rescue survivors.

They have heavy 
protective gear on, just add a layer of kevlar.  


Or give them 
extra/different gear they can don on the way to the incident.  


They sure as hell 
don’t stand around outside discussing jurisdiction and strategy.  


They care more about 
rescue than they do about their own lives.  




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Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I vaguely remember back in the 90s when there was a TV show called hannity and 
combs. It actually put a liberal and a conservative on the same debate 
show.   I never watched it I just knew it existed.

We need something like that again.   People need to hear both sides.

- Reply message -
From: "Zach Underwood" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Date: Thu, May 19, 2022 10:07 AM

Calling out people does work but only if you have established relationships and 
it is a relationship that both wish to keep going. It can help humanize the 
problem and help the other person see the harm.

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 10:54 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:




Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up.  Everyone could 
use some more grit.

 

In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people never 
affect positive change.  And frequently they harm themselves in the 
trying.  Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to 
shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.  

 

What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker that he is 
being racist?  I just avoid those with views I abhor.  And I try to 
teach by example.  But I never call anyone out.  At work, if they are 
my employee, I address the concern in private.  If they don’t change I fire 
them.  

 

Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion.  They invent a noble 
cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in socially impolitic 
ways, a good reason, in their mind,  to be an anarchist.  Look at 
antifa and proud boys.  

 

Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same 
reasons.  The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are trying 
to advance.  



 


From: Cameron 
Crum 

Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political


 


You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck. 
 

 


On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM 
 wrote:




Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally 
alt-right.  All ex-military, all purport to be Christian.  One is 
dead from substance abuse and suffered a variety of mental health 
issues.  The surviving two are always broke, angry, and unhappy.  I 
feel like I have to tiptoe around them so they don’t fly off the handle about 
anything.
 
…..and I’m not at all “woke”.  I just know it’s not 
for me to pass judgement.
 
On the other hand, this is NY.  Maybe they feel like 
they’re the rebels fighting the evil liberal death star.  Maybe your kids 
in Utah feel like they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death 
star.
 
 
 


From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown 
via AF
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT mildly 
political

 



Woke, broke, in 
therapy and crazy unhappy.  


 


That is how I 
would describe some of my kids.


 


The alt right 
unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.  



 


Never expected 
I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners just to be able to 
still see some of my kids.  


Feel like I was 
convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a lifetime sentence, but taken 
out of solitary confinement now and then at their whims just so they could 
claim to have compassion on me for a half hour walk in the woods.  Maybe 
longer if I pay for dinner.  


 


Odd 
times


I loved my 
parents and grandparents.  


Never felt they 
had to earn it.  


Never would 
have thought of condemning them for the things they said.  



 


Funny, I have a 
sister that lives 1000 miles from me.  Our families were separate all 
while the kids were growing.


But some of 
hers have done the same things to her.  Using the exact same vernacular. 



 


Must have 
something to do with energy drinks I think. 



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Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Careful You are going to offend someone in their safe space.

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Date: Thu, May 19, 2022 9:48 AM

Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up.  Everyone could 
use some more grit.

In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people never 
affect positive change.  And frequently they harm themselves in the
trying.  Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to 
shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.  

What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker that he is 
being racist?  I just avoid those with views I abhor.  And I try to 
teach by example.  But I never call anyone out.  At work, if they are 
my employee, I address the concern in private.  If they don’t change I fire 
them.  

Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion.  They invent a noble 
cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in socially impolitic 
ways, a good reason, in their mind,  to be an anarchist.  Look at 
antifa and proud boys.  

Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same 
reasons.  The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are trying 
to advance.  




From: Cameron 
Crum 
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political


You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck. 



On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM 
 wrote:



Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally 
alt-right.  All ex-military, all purport to be Christian.  One is 
dead from substance abuse and suffered a variety of mental health 
issues.  The surviving two are always broke, angry, and unhappy.  I 
feel like I have to tiptoe around them so they don’t fly off the handle about 
anything.

…..and I’m not at all “woke”.  I just know it’s not 
for me to pass judgement.

On the other hand, this is NY.  Maybe they feel like 
they’re the rebels fighting the evil liberal death star.  Maybe your kids 
in Utah feel like they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death 
star.





From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown 
via AFSent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PMTo: af@af.afmug.comCc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT mildly 
political




Woke, broke, in 
therapy and crazy unhappy.  



That is how I 
would describe some of my kids.



The alt right 
unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.  




Never expected 
I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners just to be able to 
still see some of my kids.  

Feel like I was 
convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a lifetime sentence, but taken 
out of solitary confinement now and then at their whims just so they could 
claim to have compassion on me for a half hour walk in the woods.  Maybe 
longer if I pay for dinner.  



Odd
times

I loved my 
parents and grandparents.  

Never felt they 
had to earn it.  

Never would 
have thought of condemning them for the things they said.  




Funny, I have a 
sister that lives 1000 miles from me.  Our families were separate all 
while the kids were growing.

But some of 
hers have done the same things to her.  Using the exact same vernacular. 




Must have 
something to do with energy drinks I think. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

wife popped a zanax halfway through the movie.  i've got gravity on the DVR.  
Trying to talk her into it lol

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown via AF 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 10:00 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review


  But if the Newtonian physics sucks I probably cannot enjoy it much.  Like 
Gravity.   

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 8:27 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review


  It was kind of like Independence Day meets "2012"in a silly sort of way.
  Good action / good effects tho.

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To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review

Critics have been brutal with Moonfall. Even less kind to Bruce Willis. 

The high temp here today was something in the high 70s (77 I think).

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On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 8:17 PM CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:



  Wife and I saw Moon Fall / Moon Shot / Moon whatever tonight.
  Quite the wild ride.  Throw science out the window.  You won't need it.
  A fun ride.

  Will see the Death on the Nile movie Sunday when the temp falls back into 
the
  you-don't-wanna-be-outside-teens.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

It was kind of like Independence Day meets "2012"in a silly sort of way.
Good action / good effects tho.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Prince 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 10:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review


  Critics have been brutal with Moonfall. Even less kind to Bruce Willis.


  The high temp here today was something in the high 70s (77 I think).


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  On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 8:17 PM CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:



Wife and I saw Moon Fall / Moon Shot / Moon whatever tonight.
Quite the wild ride.  Throw science out the window.  You won't need it.
A fun ride.

Will see the Death on the Nile movie Sunday when the temp falls back into 
the
you-don't-wanna-be-outside-teens.


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[AFMUG] OT: Movie Review

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Wife and I saw Moon Fall / Moon Shot / Moon whatever tonight.
Quite the wild ride.  Throw science out the window.  You won't need it.
A fun ride.

Will see the Death on the Nile movie Sunday when the temp falls back into the
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Re: [AFMUG] happy

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I am familiar... But you're right mostly before my time

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
Subject: [AFMUG] happy
Date: Wed, Dec 22, 2021 11:25 AM

I was thinking more along the lines of: “No, have all the brushes I 
need”.
But that reference may elude younger folk.  




From: Bill 
Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 7:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] happy


Jay's batteries are always fuller.
bp

On 12/21/2021 6:55 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:




Did someone say fuller?

- Reply message -From: "Robert" mailto:info@avantwireless.comTo: 
mailto:af@af.afmug.comSubject: [AFMUG] 
happyDate: Tue, Dec 21, 2021 12:11 PMAs the days get longer and the temps get 
lower...  May 
your solar batteries be fuller...
On 12/21/21 9:59 AM, Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:



winter





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Re: [AFMUG] happy

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Did someone say fuller?

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To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] happy
Date: Tue, Dec 21, 2021 12:11 PM

As the days get longer and the temps get
lower...  May your solar batteries be fuller...



On 12/21/21 9:59 AM, Chuck McCown via
AF wrote:







winter

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Re: [AFMUG] radio mobile help

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Thank you sir

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
Subject: [AFMUG] radio mobile help
Date: Sat, Dec 4, 2021 5:18 PM

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 8:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] radio mobile help


been dabbling a bit in radio mobile, working outside of 
our normal coverage area, and am missing HGT files for the area i'm working 
with 
for SRTM elevation data. Several of the drop downs in radio mobile for which 
site to download data from seem to be old (or maybe i'm not sure what i'm 
doing).  Anyone care to share their current data source?





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[AFMUG] radio mobile help

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been dabbling a bit in radio mobile, working outside of our normal coverage 
area, and am missing HGT files for the area i'm working with for SRTM elevation 
data. Several of the drop downs in radio mobile for which site to download data 
from seem to be old (or maybe i'm not sure what i'm doing).  Anyone care to 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Just wondering. How many died in Chicago that weekend?

- Reply message -
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
Date: Sat, Nov 20, 2021 1:07 PM

The point that should be made is that exactly two people died by any 
means that day, and the young twerp was the cause of both. If he had 
stayed home watching Walker Texas Ranger (or whatever gets his jollies 
up), no one would have died.


bp


On 11/20/2021 11:04 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> I won't be hit in the head with a skateboard or anything else more 
> than once.
>
> Bill Prince wrote:
>> Let's count how many people were killed by skateboards that day.
>>
>> Hmmm.
>>
>> Still zero.
>>
>> Shoot 'em anyway.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 11/20/2021 10:46 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>> As skateboard can be a deadly weapon. People die from one or two 
>>> punches to the head.  In fact, we are more likely to be beaten to 
>>> death by someones hands or feet than be killed by a rifle of any 
>>> caliber or style.
>>>
>>> Robert Andrews wrote:
 Hold them accountable with _Due Process_ which this kid got but the 
 "rioters" didn't.   I think if it was your relative that was dead 
 in the street YOUR perspective might be different.   No one died in 
 this event _Except_ as a result of this kid.   Was it right that 
 the guy was beating him with a skateboard, NO.  Was he going to die 
 from the beating with a skateboard?  Not likely... Was he at a 
 house/business defending it/them?  No  Was he a perfect Media 
 (either side) tool, most certainly...

 On 11/19/21 1:19 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
> So in your view the riots, burning, looting are ok but not
> the holding of them accountable.  Wonder if it were your
> house or business (or families) if you would feel differently.
>

>>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT argh spoiler

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

oh, i thouht this was Billions talk
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown via AF 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
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  Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 10:32 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT argh spoiler


  Matt was the best of the three top guys.  He got rattled last night and lost 
confidence.  You could see it on his face.  

  From: Andrew Haninger 
  Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 8:04 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT argh spoiler

  Matt lost :-( 

  I've been thinking that as much fun as it can be to watch someone win 
Jeopardy! night after night, it sure is sad to then see them lose.

  They used to cut them off after three or five nights. Maybe they should bring 
back a limit of some sort. Either you can only win so many games back to back 
or you can only win so much money.

  On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 21:53 Jaime Solorza  wrote:

Which is? 

On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 7:12 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  I made a mistake of checking news before watching my favorite evening TV 
show.  Fu*k.

  Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [AFMUG] OT argh spoiler

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

i haven't made it to any of this "remaining" season yet.
but i saw the same news report you did.
i guess i'll get to it this week or next

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  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 8:11 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT argh spoiler


  I made a mistake of checking news before watching my favorite evening TV 
show.  Fu*k.

  Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

it is alive here again

  - Original Message - 
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  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 4:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage



  yup.  resolving here.  but nothing coming up yet.

- Original Message - 
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To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage


They're back...  ish.




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From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:13:01 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] facebook outage



anyone else feeling alone and isolated without facebook?  I need my safe 
space (no, not myspace) back.

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Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

yup.  resolving here.  but nothing coming up yet.

  - Original Message - 
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  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 4:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage


  They're back...  ish.




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  Subject: [AFMUG] facebook outage



  anyone else feeling alone and isolated without facebook?  I need my safe 
space (no, not myspace) back.

  babaahahah.




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Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Also hearing there was 25% more love in the world today ...hahaha

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To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] facebook outage
Date: Mon, Oct 4, 2021 1:30 PM

i heard office productivity spiked some 45% 
today.  ha ha


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To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:24 
PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook 
outage



Machinery Trader got taken down by ransomware too.  Most likely a 
coincidence.  Wouldn’t that be rich if FB got taken down by 
ransomware...

With as many datacenters they have, this must be a CDN/router level 
attack, wouldn’t you think?




From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 12:17 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage


at least my have my old reliable AFMUG






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PM
Subject: [AFMUG] facebook outage


anyone else feeling alone and isolated without 
facebook?  I need my safe space (no, not myspace) back.

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Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage

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ohhh...
probably not that then

  - Original Message - 
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  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 2:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage


  facebook bought the registrar in 2018 to "secure" all their domains. 


  On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 2:14 PM CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:


that is insane.  so the registrar being down or "going out of business" is 
likely the cause?
who would have thunk...

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  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage


  the downdetector comments are awful 


  it looks like 9am CST some DNS registrar updates were made. 
registrasafe.com seems to have disappeared from the world.


  Not sure what happens if your registrar that you own disappears. ICANN 
isnt likely to just hand keys over, even for facebook, its not like theyre 
microsoft or anything


  On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 1:32 PM CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:


i heard office productivity spiked some 45% today.  ha ha

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  Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage


  Machinery Trader got taken down by ransomware too.  Most likely a 
coincidence.  Wouldn’t that be rich if FB got taken down by ransomware...

  With as many datacenters they have, this must be a CDN/router level 
attack, wouldn’t you think?

      From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 12:17 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage

  at least my have my old reliable AFMUG


  


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To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:13 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] facebook outage


anyone else feeling alone and isolated without facebook?  I need my 
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Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

speculation

  - Original Message - 
  From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 2:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage


  Is this registrar idea merely speculation or do we have a source for that?

   

  I can’t reach their DNS servers.  I do have routes to the networks their DNS 
servers are on, and tracert stops in one of their /16’s.

  Seems like their DNS is broken internally?  This seems absurd, but I’m not 
sure it’s any less absurd than other theories.

  -Adam

   

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
  Sent: Monday, October 04, 2021 3:13 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage

   

   

  that is insane.  so the registrar being down or "going out of business" is 
likely the cause?

  who would have thunk...

   

- Original Message - 

From: Steve Jones 

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:41 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage

 

the downdetector comments are awful 

 

it looks like 9am CST some DNS registrar updates were made. 
registrasafe.com seems to have disappeared from the world.

 

Not sure what happens if your registrar that you own disappears. ICANN isnt 
likely to just hand keys over, even for facebook, its not like theyre microsoft 
or anything

 

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 1:32 PM CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:

   

  i heard office productivity spiked some 45% today.  ha ha

   

- Original Message - 

From: Chuck McCown via AF 

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Chuck McCown 

Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:24 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage

 

Machinery Trader got taken down by ransomware too.  Most likely a 
coincidence.  Wouldn’t that be rich if FB got taken down by ransomware...

 

With as many datacenters they have, this must be a CDN/router level 
attack, wouldn’t you think?

 

    From: CBB - Jay Fuller 

Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 12:17 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage

 

at least my have my old reliable AFMUG

 

 



 

 

- Original Message - 

      From: CBB - Jay Fuller 

  To: af@af.afmug.com 

  Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:13 PM

  Subject: [AFMUG] facebook outage

   

   

  anyone else feeling alone and isolated without facebook?  I need my 
safe space (no, not myspace) back.

   

  babaahahah.

   

   

   


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Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

that is insane.  so the registrar being down or "going out of business" is 
likely the cause?
who would have thunk...

  - Original Message - 
  From: Steve Jones 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage


  the downdetector comments are awful


  it looks like 9am CST some DNS registrar updates were made. registrasafe.com 
seems to have disappeared from the world.


  Not sure what happens if your registrar that you own disappears. ICANN isnt 
likely to just hand keys over, even for facebook, its not like theyre microsoft 
or anything


  On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 1:32 PM CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:


i heard office productivity spiked some 45% today.  ha ha

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown via AF 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage


  Machinery Trader got taken down by ransomware too.  Most likely a 
coincidence.  Wouldn’t that be rich if FB got taken down by ransomware...

  With as many datacenters they have, this must be a CDN/router level 
attack, wouldn’t you think?

      From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 12:17 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage

  at least my have my old reliable AFMUG


  


  - Original Message - 
    From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:13 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] facebook outage


anyone else feeling alone and isolated without facebook?  I need my 
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Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

i heard office productivity spiked some 45% today.  ha ha

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown via AF 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage


  Machinery Trader got taken down by ransomware too.  Most likely a 
coincidence.  Wouldn’t that be rich if FB got taken down by ransomware...

  With as many datacenters they have, this must be a CDN/router level attack, 
wouldn’t you think?

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 12:17 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage

  at least my have my old reliable AFMUG


  


  - Original Message - 
From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:13 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] facebook outage


anyone else feeling alone and isolated without facebook?  I need my safe 
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Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

yah, i'm convinced it does more bad than good.  but the advertising there sure 
is good.

and also - i don't even want to get into their filtering, etc.

used to learn what was happening "locally" on local community forums / bulletin 
boards

now it's all on a group


  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown via AF 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage


  Good riddance.  

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 12:13 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] facebook outage


  anyone else feeling alone and isolated without facebook?  I need my safe 
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Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

i heard about that but didn't hear who it was.
who was  the whistleblower?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Prince 
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage


  I'm sniffing crocodile tears. This affects me less than zero, and after the 
whistleblower tunes sung on 60 Minutes last night, and care even less.




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Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

at least my have my old reliable AFMUG





- Original Message - 
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:13 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] facebook outage



  anyone else feeling alone and isolated without facebook?  I need my safe 
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[AFMUG] facebook outage

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 44 today.

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I am staying at my Lake rental this week. Seriously Y'all have cameras 
here?

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 44 today.
Date: Wed, Sep 8, 2021 7:01 PM

Fuck as much as you can.  It goes away man it goes away!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2021, at 5:45 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> This is your birthday present.
> Don't spend it all in one place.
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Re: [AFMUG] I had a dream...

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

good times.  especially when i attended the 2nd animal farm (when the first 
animal farm happened we were attending "bullits" event in new orleans

the 2nd one i sat in front of chuck m, not even knowing he was a motorola guy.  
thought he was just another fellow operator.

and then he gets up and delivers the show.  um, wow, that guy


  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck Macenski 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Friday, August 27, 2021 5:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I had a dream...


  sniff sniff...


  On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 12:45 PM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

I remember when Charles put great information up on the screen.



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  Chuck Macenski was always the star of the show.  I was always surprised 
by 
  his candor.  Pretty sure he stuck his neck wy out for us at times.

  -Original Message- 
  From: Jay Weekley
  Sent: Friday, August 27, 2021 8:22 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I had a dream...

  I remember setting up the WiFi at the last one with you and Colin.

  Nate Burke wrote:
  > That we were all back at the old school Animal Farm.  I had my laptop 
  > setup on a table, glass of Cola next to me, Beehive note pad in front 
of 
  > me, listening to the Motorola Engineers explain exactly how the radios 
  > work.  Man I miss those.  It was the only vacation I would get during 
the 
  > year.
  >

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Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?

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Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?
now the CEO has posted a video saying they had crews work through the night to 
connect their backup connection at the other end of the network.  So I don't 
know if their main feed is back up or not.

  - Original Message - 
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 11:34 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?



  They said they came up at 11:15 am.  No reason for outage given.

- Original Message - 
From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?



do they sell through someone else? att perhaps?  or use them for transport?


  - Original Message - 
  From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 10:23 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?


  Mark,

  Should clarify "1500+ Phone Lines".  We don't use them for transit.
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   We have about 1500 lines with Momentum.  Rarely do we have an issue 
with them.  They have 2 or 3 switches around the country, so they are fairly 
redundant.  We have been with them for about 8 years.  Really have no 
complaints.  Customer service is very responsive.


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  The local electric coop who is building a fiber network "to 
connect their substations" and will serve anyone they pass has been offline now 
for two days.  Their provider is apparently this company.  

  Any back story or inside info?

  from their facebook - 

  8/9/2021 - 8/10/2021
  6:00 AM Update:
  Overnight communications with our carrier have yielded no 
results. Unfortunately, we still do not have an ETA on when the outage will be 
resolved. Please know our board, management, and Sprout team find this is as 
unacceptable as you do and this is not how we treat our subscribers. We will 
make this right. We will ensure this type of issue does not occur again.
  __
  8:00 PM Update:
  Guys, we are so very sorry for this outage! The information 
we've received so far is that the carrier has their engineers testing the 
connection and the only explanation is "difficulties at the core." It's not 
good news as we still have not been giving a cause, location or ETA. We will 
continue to work with the carrier until the issue is resolved and all of our 
subscribers are back online. We know everyone's patience, including ours, is 
wearing thin due to the lack of information and resolution. We will pass along 
any new information as it becomes available.
  _
  4:30 PM Update: 
  We have sent an email communication to all of our subscribers 
with additional information, including the notice that a bill credit will be 
issued for this outage. Please check the email associated with your Sprout 
Account. Unfortunately, the short answer is we still do not have an ETA of when 
service will be restored and we still do not know the cause. The issue is in 
the connection from Atlanta via an internet carrier to us. There is no damage 
or cause on our side of the connection. 
  __
  1:30 PM Update:
  We do not have an estimated time for service restoration. We 
are communicating with our service provider, and as soon as we hear any new 
information from them, we will let you know. 
  __
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is impacting all of our subscribers. We are getting more information and will 
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Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?
They said they came up at 11:15 am.  No reason for outage given.

  - Original Message - 
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 10:57 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?



  do they sell through someone else? att perhaps?  or use them for transport?


- Original Message - 
From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?


Mark,

Should clarify "1500+ Phone Lines".  We don't use them for transit.
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 We have about 1500 lines with Momentum.  Rarely do we have an issue 
with them.  They have 2 or 3 switches around the country, so they are fairly 
redundant.  We have been with them for about 8 years.  Really have no 
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The local electric coop who is building a fiber network "to 
connect their substations" and will serve anyone they pass has been offline now 
for two days.  Their provider is apparently this company.  

Any back story or inside info?

from their facebook - 

8/9/2021 - 8/10/2021
6:00 AM Update:
Overnight communications with our carrier have yielded no 
results. Unfortunately, we still do not have an ETA on when the outage will be 
resolved. Please know our board, management, and Sprout team find this is as 
unacceptable as you do and this is not how we treat our subscribers. We will 
make this right. We will ensure this type of issue does not occur again.
__
8:00 PM Update:
Guys, we are so very sorry for this outage! The information 
we've received so far is that the carrier has their engineers testing the 
connection and the only explanation is "difficulties at the core." It's not 
good news as we still have not been giving a cause, location or ETA. We will 
continue to work with the carrier until the issue is resolved and all of our 
subscribers are back online. We know everyone's patience, including ours, is 
wearing thin due to the lack of information and resolution. We will pass along 
any new information as it becomes available.
_
4:30 PM Update: 
We have sent an email communication to all of our subscribers 
with additional information, including the notice that a bill credit will be 
issued for this outage. Please check the email associated with your Sprout 
Account. Unfortunately, the short answer is we still do not have an ETA of when 
service will be restored and we still do not know the cause. The issue is in 
the connection from Atlanta via an internet carrier to us. There is no damage 
or cause on our side of the connection. 
__
1:30 PM Update:
We do not have an estimated time for service restoration. We 
are communicating with our service provider, and as soon as we hear any new 
information from them, we will let you know. 
__
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is impacting all of our subscribers. We are getting more information and will 
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Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?
do they sell through someone else? att perhaps?  or use them for transport?


  - Original Message - 
  From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 10:23 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?


  Mark,

  Should clarify "1500+ Phone Lines".  We don't use them for transit.
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   We have about 1500 lines with Momentum.  Rarely do we have an issue with 
them.  They have 2 or 3 switches around the country, so they are fairly 
redundant.  We have been with them for about 8 years.  Really have no 
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  The local electric coop who is building a fiber network "to 
connect their substations" and will serve anyone they pass has been offline now 
for two days.  Their provider is apparently this company.  

  Any back story or inside info?

  from their facebook - 

  8/9/2021 - 8/10/2021
  6:00 AM Update:
  Overnight communications with our carrier have yielded no 
results. Unfortunately, we still do not have an ETA on when the outage will be 
resolved. Please know our board, management, and Sprout team find this is as 
unacceptable as you do and this is not how we treat our subscribers. We will 
make this right. We will ensure this type of issue does not occur again.
  __
  8:00 PM Update:
  Guys, we are so very sorry for this outage! The information we've 
received so far is that the carrier has their engineers testing the connection 
and the only explanation is "difficulties at the core." It's not good news as 
we still have not been giving a cause, location or ETA. We will continue to 
work with the carrier until the issue is resolved and all of our subscribers 
are back online. We know everyone's patience, including ours, is wearing thin 
due to the lack of information and resolution. We will pass along any new 
information as it becomes available.
  _
  4:30 PM Update: 
  We have sent an email communication to all of our subscribers 
with additional information, including the notice that a bill credit will be 
issued for this outage. Please check the email associated with your Sprout 
Account. Unfortunately, the short answer is we still do not have an ETA of when 
service will be restored and we still do not know the cause. The issue is in 
the connection from Atlanta via an internet carrier to us. There is no damage 
or cause on our side of the connection. 
  __
  1:30 PM Update:
  We do not have an estimated time for service restoration. We are 
communicating with our service provider, and as soon as we hear any new 
information from them, we will let you know. 
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Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?
gotcha.  just POTS?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 10:23 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?


  Mark,

  Should clarify "1500+ Phone Lines".  We don't use them for transit.
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  Tuesday, August 10, 2021, 11:20:52 AM, you wrote:


   We have about 1500 lines with Momentum.  Rarely do we have an issue with 
them.  They have 2 or 3 switches around the country, so they are fairly 
redundant.  We have been with them for about 8 years.  Really have no 
complaints.  Customer service is very responsive.


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Tuesday, August 10, 2021, 9:32:24 AM, you wrote:


 

  The local electric coop who is building a fiber network "to 
connect their substations" and will serve anyone they pass has been offline now 
for two days.  Their provider is apparently this company.  

  Any back story or inside info?

  from their facebook - 

  8/9/2021 - 8/10/2021
  6:00 AM Update:
  Overnight communications with our carrier have yielded no 
results. Unfortunately, we still do not have an ETA on when the outage will be 
resolved. Please know our board, management, and Sprout team find this is as 
unacceptable as you do and this is not how we treat our subscribers. We will 
make this right. We will ensure this type of issue does not occur again.
  __
  8:00 PM Update:
  Guys, we are so very sorry for this outage! The information we've 
received so far is that the carrier has their engineers testing the connection 
and the only explanation is "difficulties at the core." It's not good news as 
we still have not been giving a cause, location or ETA. We will continue to 
work with the carrier until the issue is resolved and all of our subscribers 
are back online. We know everyone's patience, including ours, is wearing thin 
due to the lack of information and resolution. We will pass along any new 
information as it becomes available.
  _
  4:30 PM Update: 
  We have sent an email communication to all of our subscribers 
with additional information, including the notice that a bill credit will be 
issued for this outage. Please check the email associated with your Sprout 
Account. Unfortunately, the short answer is we still do not have an ETA of when 
service will be restored and we still do not know the cause. The issue is in 
the connection from Atlanta via an internet carrier to us. There is no damage 
or cause on our side of the connection. 
  __
  1:30 PM Update:
  We do not have an estimated time for service restoration. We are 
communicating with our service provider, and as soon as we hear any new 
information from them, we will let you know. 
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Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?
Wow.  Sure sounds like the public isn't getting the fully story here.  When you 
say lines, what kind of lines?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 10:20 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?


  We have about 1500 lines with Momentum.  Rarely do we have an issue with 
them.  They have 2 or 3 switches around the country, so they are fairly 
redundant.  We have been with them for about 8 years.  Really have no 
complaints.  Customer service is very responsive.


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  Tuesday, August 10, 2021, 9:32:24 AM, you wrote:


   
The local electric coop who is building a fiber network "to connect 
their substations" and will serve anyone they pass has been offline now for two 
days.  Their provider is apparently this company.  

Any back story or inside info?

from their facebook - 

8/9/2021 - 8/10/2021
6:00 AM Update:
Overnight communications with our carrier have yielded no results. 
Unfortunately, we still do not have an ETA on when the outage will be resolved. 
Please know our board, management, and Sprout team find this is as unacceptable 
as you do and this is not how we treat our subscribers. We will make this 
right. We will ensure this type of issue does not occur again.
__
8:00 PM Update:
Guys, we are so very sorry for this outage! The information we've 
received so far is that the carrier has their engineers testing the connection 
and the only explanation is "difficulties at the core." It's not good news as 
we still have not been giving a cause, location or ETA. We will continue to 
work with the carrier until the issue is resolved and all of our subscribers 
are back online. We know everyone's patience, including ours, is wearing thin 
due to the lack of information and resolution. We will pass along any new 
information as it becomes available.
_
4:30 PM Update: 
We have sent an email communication to all of our subscribers with 
additional information, including the notice that a bill credit will be issued 
for this outage. Please check the email associated with your Sprout Account. 
Unfortunately, the short answer is we still do not have an ETA of when service 
will be restored and we still do not know the cause. The issue is in the 
connection from Atlanta via an internet carrier to us. There is no damage or 
cause on our side of the connection. 
__
1:30 PM Update:
We do not have an estimated time for service restoration. We are 
communicating with our service provider, and as soon as we hear any new 
information from them, we will let you know. 
__
We are experiencing an internet outage from our provider that is 
impacting all of our subscribers. We are getting more information and will 
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Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

The information these people have posted is "it's the core".  Which tells me it 
isn't a fiber cut.
I seriously wondered if this ISP went out of business

  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Baird 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 9:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?


  We had a ~30hr Windstream outage as well.  Aerial fiber got destroyed by a 
car accident.  It had to be spliced over a 6-lane highway in multiple places 
apparently.


  On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 10:35 AM Chris Fabien  wrote:

Jay, an obvious cut, like a backhoe dug up a cable or a pole taken out
by an accident, maybe 8-12 hours or so, yea. The cut we just
experienced was a number of broken strands at different places along a
mile or so of aerial cable. They spent a lot of time troubleshooting
where the breaks were and then actually repairing took I think about 6
hours, they ended up replacing a 3/4 mile section. Never got
information about what actually caused the damage on that one. I've
also heard some stories locally of extended repair times due to
flooding, where a road (and a cable) was washed out and it took
several days to even regain access to the site to start working on
repairs.

On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 10:27 AM CBB - Jay Fuller
 wrote:
>
>
> Oh, i've been following details.  They're putting another redundant 
connection in at the other side of their electric coverage area and are 
planning on connecting the two sides but they aren't finished with construction 
yet.  I wasn't aware fiber connections can take a long time to repair.  I 
figured the average was eight hours or so.  Per their update, "a problem exists 
at the core".  I had never heard of Momentum, I wondered if they actually went 
under or something.  I appreciate the dialogue.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Chris Fabien
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 9:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?
>
> Is it really two full days of outage or just, on it's second day today?
> As I'm sure you know it's very possible for a fiber cut to take more
> than 24 hours to restore. We had a windstream cut recently that took
> 30 hours. And, our other carrier had a maintenance event overnight
> that same night they couldn't delay! But luckily it was just for a few
> hours at night. Working on a 3rd diverse path now.
> This sounds like they are still single homed which in current times,
> really seems irresponsible especially for a company with as much
> resources as an electric coop should have. I'd have some anonymous
> accounts start a discussion of where's your backup connection on their
    > FB group if you want to play nasty.
>
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 9:54 AM CBB - Jay Fuller
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> > and after their outage on june 3 i offered them a backup connection.  
we are located across the street from them.
> > they sent me a nasty email basically saying their pages were for 
communicating with their customers and they were
> > not interested.
> >
> > we are both building - but i don't really want to have an adversarial 
relationship with them
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Josh Luthman
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 8:40 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?
> >
> > Do you have a link to the Facebook posts/original source of these posts?
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 9:34 AM CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> The local electric coop who is building a fiber network "to connect 
their substations" and will serve anyone they pass has been offline now for two 
days.  Their provider is apparently this company.
> >>
> >> Any back story or inside info?
> >>
> >> from their facebook -
> >>
> >> 8/9/2021 - 8/10/2021
> >> 6:00 AM Update:
> >> Overnight communications with our carrier have yielded no results. 
Unfortunately, we still do not have an ETA on when the outage will be resolved. 
Please know our board, management, and Sprout team find this is as unacceptable 
as you do and this is not how we treat our subscribers. We will make this 
right. We will ensure this type of issue does not occur again.

Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Thanks for the information Chris,

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Fabien 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 9:33 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?


  Jay, an obvious cut, like a backhoe dug up a cable or a pole taken out
  by an accident, maybe 8-12 hours or so, yea. The cut we just
  experienced was a number of broken strands at different places along a
  mile or so of aerial cable. They spent a lot of time troubleshooting
  where the breaks were and then actually repairing took I think about 6
  hours, they ended up replacing a 3/4 mile section. Never got
  information about what actually caused the damage on that one. I've
  also heard some stories locally of extended repair times due to
  flooding, where a road (and a cable) was washed out and it took
  several days to even regain access to the site to start working on
  repairs.

  On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 10:27 AM CBB - Jay Fuller
   wrote:
  >
  >
  > Oh, i've been following details.  They're putting another redundant 
connection in at the other side of their electric coverage area and are 
planning on connecting the two sides but they aren't finished with construction 
yet.  I wasn't aware fiber connections can take a long time to repair.  I 
figured the average was eight hours or so.  Per their update, "a problem exists 
at the core".  I had never heard of Momentum, I wondered if they actually went 
under or something.  I appreciate the dialogue.
  >
  >
  > - Original Message -
  > From: Chris Fabien
  > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 9:18 AM
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?
  >
  > Is it really two full days of outage or just, on it's second day today?
  > As I'm sure you know it's very possible for a fiber cut to take more
  > than 24 hours to restore. We had a windstream cut recently that took
  > 30 hours. And, our other carrier had a maintenance event overnight
  > that same night they couldn't delay! But luckily it was just for a few
  > hours at night. Working on a 3rd diverse path now.
  > This sounds like they are still single homed which in current times,
  > really seems irresponsible especially for a company with as much
  > resources as an electric coop should have. I'd have some anonymous
  > accounts start a discussion of where's your backup connection on their
  > FB group if you want to play nasty.
  >
  > On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 9:54 AM CBB - Jay Fuller
  >  wrote:
  > >
  > >
  > > and after their outage on june 3 i offered them a backup connection.  we 
are located across the street from them.
  > > they sent me a nasty email basically saying their pages were for 
communicating with their customers and they were
  > > not interested.
  > >
  > > we are both building - but i don't really want to have an adversarial 
relationship with them
  > >
  > >
  > > - Original Message -
  > > From: Josh Luthman
  > > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  > > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 8:40 AM
  > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?
  > >
  > > Do you have a link to the Facebook posts/original source of these posts?
  > >
  > > Josh Luthman
  > > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
  > > Direct: 937-552-2343
  > > 1100 Wayne St
  > > Suite 1337
  > > Troy, OH 45373
  > >
  > >
  > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 9:34 AM CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:
  > >>
  > >>
  > >> The local electric coop who is building a fiber network "to connect 
their substations" and will serve anyone they pass has been offline now for two 
days.  Their provider is apparently this company.
  > >>
  > >> Any back story or inside info?
  > >>
  > >> from their facebook -
  > >>
  > >> 8/9/2021 - 8/10/2021
  > >> 6:00 AM Update:
  > >> Overnight communications with our carrier have yielded no results. 
Unfortunately, we still do not have an ETA on when the outage will be resolved. 
Please know our board, management, and Sprout team find this is as unacceptable 
as you do and this is not how we treat our subscribers. We will make this 
right. We will ensure this type of issue does not occur again.
  > >> __
  > >> 8:00 PM Update:
  > >> Guys, we are so very sorry for this outage! The information we've 
received so far is that the carrier has their engineers testing the connection 
and the only explanation is "difficulties at the core." It's not good news as 
we still have not been giving a cause, location or ETA. We will continue to 
work with the carrier until the issue is resolved and all of our subscribers 
are back online. We know everyone's 

Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Oh, i've been following details.  They're putting another redundant connection 
in at the other side of their electric coverage area and are planning on 
connecting the two sides but they aren't finished with construction yet.  I 
wasn't aware fiber connections can take a long time to repair.  I figured the 
average was eight hours or so.  Per their update, "a problem exists at the 
core".  I had never heard of Momentum, I wondered if they actually went under 
or something.  I appreciate the dialogue.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Fabien 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 9:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?


  Is it really two full days of outage or just, on it's second day today?
  As I'm sure you know it's very possible for a fiber cut to take more
  than 24 hours to restore. We had a windstream cut recently that took
  30 hours. And, our other carrier had a maintenance event overnight
  that same night they couldn't delay! But luckily it was just for a few
  hours at night. Working on a 3rd diverse path now.
  This sounds like they are still single homed which in current times,
  really seems irresponsible especially for a company with as much
  resources as an electric coop should have. I'd have some anonymous
  accounts start a discussion of where's your backup connection on their
  FB group if you want to play nasty.

  On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 9:54 AM CBB - Jay Fuller
   wrote:
  >
  >
  > and after their outage on june 3 i offered them a backup connection.  we 
are located across the street from them.
  > they sent me a nasty email basically saying their pages were for 
communicating with their customers and they were
  > not interested.
  >
  > we are both building - but i don't really want to have an adversarial 
relationship with them
  >
  >
  > - Original Message -
  > From: Josh Luthman
  > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 8:40 AM
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?
  >
  > Do you have a link to the Facebook posts/original source of these posts?
  >
  > Josh Luthman
  > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
  > Direct: 937-552-2343
  > 1100 Wayne St
  > Suite 1337
  > Troy, OH 45373
  >
  >
  > On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 9:34 AM CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:
  >>
  >>
  >> The local electric coop who is building a fiber network "to connect their 
substations" and will serve anyone they pass has been offline now for two days. 
 Their provider is apparently this company.
  >>
  >> Any back story or inside info?
  >>
  >> from their facebook -
  >>
  >> 8/9/2021 - 8/10/2021
  >> 6:00 AM Update:
  >> Overnight communications with our carrier have yielded no results. 
Unfortunately, we still do not have an ETA on when the outage will be resolved. 
Please know our board, management, and Sprout team find this is as unacceptable 
as you do and this is not how we treat our subscribers. We will make this 
right. We will ensure this type of issue does not occur again.
  >> __
  >> 8:00 PM Update:
  >> Guys, we are so very sorry for this outage! The information we've received 
so far is that the carrier has their engineers testing the connection and the 
only explanation is "difficulties at the core." It's not good news as we still 
have not been giving a cause, location or ETA. We will continue to work with 
the carrier until the issue is resolved and all of our subscribers are back 
online. We know everyone's patience, including ours, is wearing thin due to the 
lack of information and resolution. We will pass along any new information as 
it becomes available.
  >> _
  >> 4:30 PM Update:
  >> We have sent an email communication to all of our subscribers with 
additional information, including the notice that a bill credit will be issued 
for this outage. Please check the email associated with your Sprout Account. 
Unfortunately, the short answer is we still do not have an ETA of when service 
will be restored and we still do not know the cause. The issue is in the 
connection from Atlanta via an internet carrier to us. There is no damage or 
cause on our side of the connection.
  >> __
  >> 1:30 PM Update:
  >> We do not have an estimated time for service restoration. We are 
communicating with our service provider, and as soon as we hear any new 
information from them, we will let you know.
  >> __
  >> We are experiencing an internet outage from our provider that is impacting 
all of our subscribers. We are getting more information and will report updates 
here.
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Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

and after their outage on june 3 i offered them a backup connection.  we are 
located across the street from them.
they sent me a nasty email basically saying their pages were for communicating 
with their customers and they were
not interested.

we are both building - but i don't really want to have an adversarial 
relationship with them

  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 8:40 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?


  Do you have a link to the Facebook posts/original source of these posts?



  Josh Luthman
  24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373




  On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 9:34 AM CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:


The local electric coop who is building a fiber network "to connect their 
substations" and will serve anyone they pass has been offline now for two days. 
 Their provider is apparently this company.  

Any back story or inside info?

from their facebook - 

8/9/2021 - 8/10/2021
6:00 AM Update:
Overnight communications with our carrier have yielded no results. 
Unfortunately, we still do not have an ETA on when the outage will be resolved. 
Please know our board, management, and Sprout team find this is as unacceptable 
as you do and this is not how we treat our subscribers. We will make this 
right. We will ensure this type of issue does not occur again.
__
8:00 PM Update:
Guys, we are so very sorry for this outage! The information we've received 
so far is that the carrier has their engineers testing the connection and the 
only explanation is "difficulties at the core." It's not good news as we still 
have not been giving a cause, location or ETA. We will continue to work with 
the carrier until the issue is resolved and all of our subscribers are back 
online. We know everyone's patience, including ours, is wearing thin due to the 
lack of information and resolution. We will pass along any new information as 
it becomes available.
_
4:30 PM Update: 
We have sent an email communication to all of our subscribers with 
additional information, including the notice that a bill credit will be issued 
for this outage. Please check the email associated with your Sprout Account. 
Unfortunately, the short answer is we still do not have an ETA of when service 
will be restored and we still do not know the cause. The issue is in the 
connection from Atlanta via an internet carrier to us. There is no damage or 
cause on our side of the connection. 
__
1:30 PM Update:
We do not have an estimated time for service restoration. We are 
communicating with our service provider, and as soon as we hear any new 
information from them, we will let you know. 
__
We are experiencing an internet outage from our provider that is impacting 
all of our subscribers. We are getting more information and will report updates 
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Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

It is a closed group.  But sure.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/sproutfiberinternet/

In a post on June 2 they identified Momentum as their backbone provider.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 8:40 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?


  Do you have a link to the Facebook posts/original source of these posts?



  Josh Luthman
  24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373




  On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 9:34 AM CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:


The local electric coop who is building a fiber network "to connect their 
substations" and will serve anyone they pass has been offline now for two days. 
 Their provider is apparently this company.  

Any back story or inside info?

from their facebook - 

8/9/2021 - 8/10/2021
6:00 AM Update:
Overnight communications with our carrier have yielded no results. 
Unfortunately, we still do not have an ETA on when the outage will be resolved. 
Please know our board, management, and Sprout team find this is as unacceptable 
as you do and this is not how we treat our subscribers. We will make this 
right. We will ensure this type of issue does not occur again.
__
8:00 PM Update:
Guys, we are so very sorry for this outage! The information we've received 
so far is that the carrier has their engineers testing the connection and the 
only explanation is "difficulties at the core." It's not good news as we still 
have not been giving a cause, location or ETA. We will continue to work with 
the carrier until the issue is resolved and all of our subscribers are back 
online. We know everyone's patience, including ours, is wearing thin due to the 
lack of information and resolution. We will pass along any new information as 
it becomes available.
_
4:30 PM Update: 
We have sent an email communication to all of our subscribers with 
additional information, including the notice that a bill credit will be issued 
for this outage. Please check the email associated with your Sprout Account. 
Unfortunately, the short answer is we still do not have an ETA of when service 
will be restored and we still do not know the cause. The issue is in the 
connection from Atlanta via an internet carrier to us. There is no damage or 
cause on our side of the connection. 
__
1:30 PM Update:
We do not have an estimated time for service restoration. We are 
communicating with our service provider, and as soon as we hear any new 
information from them, we will let you know. 
__
We are experiencing an internet outage from our provider that is impacting 
all of our subscribers. We are getting more information and will report updates 
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[AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

The local electric coop who is building a fiber network "to connect their 
substations" and will serve anyone they pass has been offline now for two days. 
 Their provider is apparently this company.  

Any back story or inside info?

from their facebook - 

8/9/2021 - 8/10/2021
6:00 AM Update:
Overnight communications with our carrier have yielded no results. 
Unfortunately, we still do not have an ETA on when the outage will be resolved. 
Please know our board, management, and Sprout team find this is as unacceptable 
as you do and this is not how we treat our subscribers. We will make this 
right. We will ensure this type of issue does not occur again.
__
8:00 PM Update:
Guys, we are so very sorry for this outage! The information we've received so 
far is that the carrier has their engineers testing the connection and the only 
explanation is "difficulties at the core." It's not good news as we still have 
not been giving a cause, location or ETA. We will continue to work with the 
carrier until the issue is resolved and all of our subscribers are back online. 
We know everyone's patience, including ours, is wearing thin due to the lack of 
information and resolution. We will pass along any new information as it 
becomes available.
_
4:30 PM Update: 
We have sent an email communication to all of our subscribers with additional 
information, including the notice that a bill credit will be issued for this 
outage. Please check the email associated with your Sprout Account. 
Unfortunately, the short answer is we still do not have an ETA of when service 
will be restored and we still do not know the cause. The issue is in the 
connection from Atlanta via an internet carrier to us. There is no damage or 
cause on our side of the connection. 
__
1:30 PM Update:
We do not have an estimated time for service restoration. We are communicating 
with our service provider, and as soon as we hear any new information from 
them, we will let you know. 
__
We are experiencing an internet outage from our provider that is impacting all 
of our subscribers. We are getting more information and will report updates 
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Re: [AFMUG] FS: 24 used force 200

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

My bad.  Not interested then...we have 2.4...

- Reply message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] FS: 24 used force 200
Date: Fri, Jul 30, 2021 12:54 PM

5 GHz =)  There is no 2.4 force 300-25
Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 1:53 PM CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:




2.4 right ?  We will likely take them .  Hit me off list 

- Reply message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "AFMUG" 
Subject: [AFMUG] FS: 24 used force 200
Date: Fri, Jul 30, 2021 11:52 AM

I have 24 units that are working pulls.  Replaced with Force 300-25.  Let me 
know if you're interested!
Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



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Re: [AFMUG] FS: 24 used force 200

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

2.4 right ?  We will likely take them .  Hit me off list

- Reply message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "AFMUG" 
Subject: [AFMUG] FS: 24 used force 200
Date: Fri, Jul 30, 2021 11:52 AM

I have 24 units that are working pulls.  Replaced with Force 300-25.  Let me 
know if you're interested!
Josh Luthman
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Re: [AFMUG] list traffic

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

428 central

- Reply message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] list traffic
Date: Thu, Jul 22, 2021 4:03 PM

I emailed him at 5pm eastern
Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 4:45 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:




The server dashboard looks normal but I have not received anything since 
Sunday.  Perhaps something is scraping off at my end.

If anyone sees this in the next few hours of 7/21/21 9:59 mountain daylight 
time, please reply directly to me: 
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Re: [AFMUG] EBB - snapshot?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

i asked support person.  i'm told 6 am cst

  - Original Message - 
  From: James Howard 
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 3:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB - snapshot?


  My understanding is that the snapshots will include anyone enrolled before 
midnight on the 1st.

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
  Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 3:32 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] EBB - snapshot?

   

   

  Anyone know what TIME today the snapshot is taken?

   

   


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[AFMUG] EBB - snapshot?

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Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I failed to answer your initial question, yes, we are trying to get everyone 
who has requested enrollment to be active by June 1 for the billing snapshot.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Randy Cosby 
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 5:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment


   

  Mark - having tons of trouble getting our company accounts registered in 
NLAD.  I can login and look around but can't do much else.  To call and ask for 
help is a 45+ min process (i've already done it once) 

   

  Questions:

   

  Once a subscriber has enrolled do you have any way of looking them up?  For 
example I can login to the national verfier but then it presents me with a 
blank slate.  I can't look anyone up.  I guess this interface is for me taking 
an application over the phone or something which of course the webinars say is 
a no no no bad thing.  [the customer is supposed to sign the application under 
penalty of purgery]

   

  When a subscriber is “National Verified” there is not a way to look them up. 
If they are verified THEN you ENROLL them you can look them up.  In NLAD, under 
“Tools & Resources”, EBBP Reports.  You can, however find out if they are 
actually approved with NV by calling 1-833-511-0311, option 1, 1, 3 (don’t have 
to wait for prompts) then enter the NV Application ID without the first letter. 
The customer should have it handy from a confirmation email.  This will tell 
you if they have qualified.  (Thanks tina at ayera.com)

   

   

  We have about 30 customers so far who have told us they've signed up and wish 
the benefit to be added to their account.  Without any additional information 
(for example, PERFECTLY matching the street address like you said or the 
required SSN-4 if they don't have a 

  tribal id, which none of ours will have, is there any way to get this 
information from the national verifier itself?  

   

  Nope. They (USAC) call it “PII” – Personally Identifiable Information and 
won’t share it. Even if you have the National Verifier Application ID, it won’t 
help.  Screenshots from their session at checklifeline.org (they can log back 
in later) might be helpful in matching everything up.

   

   

  If not, that means we have to go back and request this information from 
everyone who has signed up already.   

   

  Yup.  Lotsa fun.

   

  That's fine, we've not been "egging people" along to sign up yet as we try to 
figure all of this out.  Coming down to the wire on June 1 tho.

   

  What’s the June 1 “wire” you refer to?  Next billing date?

   

  from https://forms.universalservice.org/portal/login;  NLAD ; ETC Admin 
Page ; Maintain SAC Information ; I can't enter / modify

  anyhthing there.  Shouldn't I be able to see my SAC?  I can see my SAC under 
the officer home page.  Confused there.

   

  Known System issue that won’t allow it for EBB Administrators.  Lifeline 
administrators can see it though. 

   

  From NLAD ; I can add staff members, but i can't add their representative 
IDS.is this normal?

   

  This is a problem a lot of us ran into.  Got this advice: “You need to link 
all RAD IDs (including officer and admin) you want to use to your account. The 
PDF instructions on how to do this is here 
(https://www.usac.org/wp-content/uploads/lifeline/documents/RAD/NLAD-Production-Guide-RAD-with-Individual-User-Accounts.pdf)
 .”  It’s a CSV upload process the first time (admin /officer), I believe after 
that you can update them from the web site.  (Thanks George at lokket.com)

   

   

  Thanks for any advice you can give from this

   

   

- Original Message - 

From: Mark Radabaugh 

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 11:07 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment

 

You very likely want to force them to use the feds website to verify 
eligibility.   You can do it on your own but I would strongly suggest you don’t 
want to do that as it entails a lot more work and liability on your part 
including handling a lot of sensitive personal information like social security 
numbers, tax returns, etc.

 

Mark





  On May 21, 2021, at 10:02 AM, dave via AF  wrote:

   

  What do we do as an ISP? Do we enroll the customer or do they enroll them 
selves and we submit their acceptance?


  

  On 5/17/21 7:14 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

We have one that we were able to fully qualify and enroll last week. Of the 5 
that applied over the weekend 3 say “Application_Not_Found”, one is 
“Application Pending” and one has multiple fails for 
“Application_not_complete”, “Invalid_Address”, and “State_Fed_Fail”. Just 
starting to dig into what all this means though. Mark On May 16, 2021, at 3:34 
PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies  wrote: Has  anyone  had  any  
luck  enrolling  customers  in  EBB?   I have 3customers  that  I'm  trying  to 
enroll.  Al 3 say the went though 

Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

that is exactly what i had to do.  it is a beautiful day, after fighting this 
for three days, i finally got two to work! :)


  - Original Message - 
  From: Randy Cosby 
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 11:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment


  What do you get back from the phone numbers?  We’ve had quite a few that 
didn’t show as qualified yet until we gave them the BQP info (first, last, 
SSN4, Birthdate) as well as the primary account holder info.

   

  Randy

   

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
  Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 9:07 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment

   

   

  getting the application has not qualified through the national verifier 
yet

  on everyone we've submitted.  i changed DOB and a few other fields to txt. 

  i guess i'll keep tinkining...

   

- Original Message - 

From: Randy Cosby 

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 5:45 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment

 

 

Mark - having tons of trouble getting our company accounts registered in 
NLAD.  I can login and look around but can't do much else.  To call and ask for 
help is a 45+ min process (i've already done it once) 

 

Questions:

 

Once a subscriber has enrolled do you have any way of looking them up?  For 
example I can login to the national verfier but then it presents me with a 
blank slate.  I can't look anyone up.  I guess this interface is for me taking 
an application over the phone or something which of course the webinars say is 
a no no no bad thing.  [the customer is supposed to sign the application under 
penalty of purgery]

 

When a subscriber is “National Verified” there is not a way to look them 
up. If they are verified THEN you ENROLL them you can look them up.  In NLAD, 
under “Tools & Resources”, EBBP Reports.  You can, however find out if they are 
actually approved with NV by calling 1-833-511-0311, option 1, 1, 3 (don’t have 
to wait for prompts) then enter the NV Application ID without the first letter. 
The customer should have it handy from a confirmation email.  This will tell 
you if they have qualified.  (Thanks tina at ayera.com)

 

 

We have about 30 customers so far who have told us they've signed up and 
wish the benefit to be added to their account.  Without any additional 
information (for example, PERFECTLY matching the street address like you said 
or the required SSN-4 if they don't have a 

tribal id, which none of ours will have, is there any way to get this 
information from the national verifier itself?  

 

Nope. They (USAC) call it “PII” – Personally Identifiable Information and 
won’t share it. Even if you have the National Verifier Application ID, it won’t 
help.  Screenshots from their session at checklifeline.org (they can log back 
in later) might be helpful in matching everything up.

 

 

If not, that means we have to go back and request this information from 
everyone who has signed up already.   

 

Yup.  Lotsa fun.

 

That's fine, we've not been "egging people" along to sign up yet as we try 
to figure all of this out.  Coming down to the wire on June 1 tho.

 

What’s the June 1 “wire” you refer to?  Next billing date?

 

from https://forms.universalservice.org/portal/login;  NLAD ; ETC Admin 
Page ; Maintain SAC Information ; I can't enter / modify

anyhthing there.  Shouldn't I be able to see my SAC?  I can see my SAC 
under the officer home page.  Confused there.

 

Known System issue that won’t allow it for EBB Administrators.  Lifeline 
administrators can see it though. 

 

From NLAD ; I can add staff members, but i can't add their representative 
IDS.is this normal?

 

This is a problem a lot of us ran into.  Got this advice: “You need to link 
all RAD IDs (including officer and admin) you want to use to your account. The 
PDF instructions on how to do this is here 
(https://www.usac.org/wp-content/uploads/lifeline/documents/RAD/NLAD-Production-Guide-RAD-with-Individual-User-Accounts.pdf)
 .”  It’s a CSV upload process the first time (admin /officer), I believe after 
that you can update them from the web site.  (Thanks George at lokket.com)

 

 

Thanks for any advice you can give from this

 

 

  - Original Message - 

  From: Mark Radabaugh 

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 11:07 AM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment

   

  You very likely want to force them to use the feds website to verify 
eligibility.   You can do it on your own but I would strongly suggest you don’t 
want to do that as it entails a lot more work and liability on your part 
including handling a lot of sensitive personal in

Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

getting the application has not qualified through the national verifier yet
on everyone we've submitted.  i changed DOB and a few other fields to txt. 
i guess i'll keep tinkining...

  - Original Message - 
  From: Randy Cosby 
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 5:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment


   

  Mark - having tons of trouble getting our company accounts registered in 
NLAD.  I can login and look around but can't do much else.  To call and ask for 
help is a 45+ min process (i've already done it once) 

   

  Questions:

   

  Once a subscriber has enrolled do you have any way of looking them up?  For 
example I can login to the national verfier but then it presents me with a 
blank slate.  I can't look anyone up.  I guess this interface is for me taking 
an application over the phone or something which of course the webinars say is 
a no no no bad thing.  [the customer is supposed to sign the application under 
penalty of purgery]

   

  When a subscriber is “National Verified” there is not a way to look them up. 
If they are verified THEN you ENROLL them you can look them up.  In NLAD, under 
“Tools & Resources”, EBBP Reports.  You can, however find out if they are 
actually approved with NV by calling 1-833-511-0311, option 1, 1, 3 (don’t have 
to wait for prompts) then enter the NV Application ID without the first letter. 
The customer should have it handy from a confirmation email.  This will tell 
you if they have qualified.  (Thanks tina at ayera.com)

   

   

  We have about 30 customers so far who have told us they've signed up and wish 
the benefit to be added to their account.  Without any additional information 
(for example, PERFECTLY matching the street address like you said or the 
required SSN-4 if they don't have a 

  tribal id, which none of ours will have, is there any way to get this 
information from the national verifier itself?  

   

  Nope. They (USAC) call it “PII” – Personally Identifiable Information and 
won’t share it. Even if you have the National Verifier Application ID, it won’t 
help.  Screenshots from their session at checklifeline.org (they can log back 
in later) might be helpful in matching everything up.

   

   

  If not, that means we have to go back and request this information from 
everyone who has signed up already.   

   

  Yup.  Lotsa fun.

   

  That's fine, we've not been "egging people" along to sign up yet as we try to 
figure all of this out.  Coming down to the wire on June 1 tho.

   

  What’s the June 1 “wire” you refer to?  Next billing date?

   

  from https://forms.universalservice.org/portal/login;  NLAD ; ETC Admin 
Page ; Maintain SAC Information ; I can't enter / modify

  anyhthing there.  Shouldn't I be able to see my SAC?  I can see my SAC under 
the officer home page.  Confused there.

   

  Known System issue that won’t allow it for EBB Administrators.  Lifeline 
administrators can see it though. 

   

  From NLAD ; I can add staff members, but i can't add their representative 
IDS.is this normal?

   

  This is a problem a lot of us ran into.  Got this advice: “You need to link 
all RAD IDs (including officer and admin) you want to use to your account. The 
PDF instructions on how to do this is here 
(https://www.usac.org/wp-content/uploads/lifeline/documents/RAD/NLAD-Production-Guide-RAD-with-Individual-User-Accounts.pdf)
 .”  It’s a CSV upload process the first time (admin /officer), I believe after 
that you can update them from the web site.  (Thanks George at lokket.com)

   

   

  Thanks for any advice you can give from this

   

   

- Original Message - 

From: Mark Radabaugh 

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 11:07 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment

 

You very likely want to force them to use the feds website to verify 
eligibility.   You can do it on your own but I would strongly suggest you don’t 
want to do that as it entails a lot more work and liability on your part 
including handling a lot of sensitive personal information like social security 
numbers, tax returns, etc.

 

Mark





  On May 21, 2021, at 10:02 AM, dave via AF  wrote:

   

  What do we do as an ISP? Do we enroll the customer or do they enroll them 
selves and we submit their acceptance?


  

  On 5/17/21 7:14 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

We have one that we were able to fully qualify and enroll last week. Of the 5 
that applied over the weekend 3 say “Application_Not_Found”, one is 
“Application Pending” and one has multiple fails for 
“Application_not_complete”, “Invalid_Address”, and “State_Fed_Fail”. Just 
starting to dig into what all this means though. Mark On May 16, 2021, at 3:34 
PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies  wrote: Has  anyone  had  any  
luck  enrolling  customers  in  EBB?   I have 3customers  that  I'm  trying  to 
enroll.  Al 3 

Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Thanks Randy.  This is very useful .  Back to the drawing board tomorrow !

- Reply message -
From: "Randy Cosby" 
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment
Date: Tue, May 25, 2021 5:45 PM

Mark - having tons of trouble getting our company accounts registered in NLAD.  
I can login and look around but can't do much else.  To call and ask for help 
is a 45+ min process (i've already done it once) 

Questions:

Once a subscriber has enrolled do you have any way of looking them up?  For 
example I can login to the national verfier but then it presents me with a 
blank slate.  I can't look anyone up.  I guess this interface is for me taking 
an application over the phone or something which of course the webinars say is 
a no no no bad thing.  [the customer is supposed to sign the application under 
penalty of purgery]
When a subscriber is “National Verified” there is not a way to look them up. If 
they are verified THEN you ENROLL them you can look them up.  In NLAD, under 
“Tools & Resources”, EBBP Reports.  You can, however find out if they are 
actually approved with NV by calling 1-833-511-0311, option 1, 1, 3 (don’t have 
to wait for prompts) then enter the NV Application ID without the first letter. 
The customer should have it handy from a confirmation email.  This will tell 
you if they have qualified.  (Thanks tina at ayera.com)  
We have about 30 customers so far who have told us they've signed up and wish 
the benefit to be added to their account.  Without any additional information 
(for example, PERFECTLY matching the street address like you said or the 
required SSN-4 if they don't have a 
tribal id, which none of ours will have, is there any way to get this 
information from the national verifier itself?   Nope. They (USAC) call it 
“PII” – Personally Identifiable Information and won’t share it. Even if you 
have the National Verifier Application ID, it won’t help.  Screenshots from 
their session at checklifeline.org (they can log back in later) might be 
helpful in matching everything up.  
If not, that means we have to go back and request this information from 
everyone who has signed up already.Yup.  Lotsa fun. 
That's fine, we've not been "egging people" along to sign up yet as we try to 
figure all of this out.  Coming down to the wire on June 1 tho. 
What’s the June 1 “wire” you refer to?  Next billing date? 
from https://forms.universalservice.org/portal/login;  NLAD ; ETC Admin 
Page ; Maintain SAC Information ; I can't enter / modify
anyhthing there.  Shouldn't I be able to see my SAC?  I can see my SAC under 
the officer home page.  Confused there.
Known System issue that won’t allow it for EBB Administrators.  Lifeline 
administrators can see it though.  
From NLAD ; I can add staff members, but i can't add their representative IDS.  
  is this normal?
This is a problem a lot of us ran into.  Got this advice: “You need to link all 
RAD IDs (including officer and admin) you want to use to your account. The PDF 
instructions on how to do this is here 
(https://www.usac.org/wp-content/uploads/lifeline/documents/RAD/NLAD-Production-Guide-RAD-with-Individual-User-Accounts.pdf)
 .”  It’s a CSV upload process the first time (admin /officer), I believe after 
that you can update them from the web site.  (Thanks George at lokket.com)  
Thanks for any advice you can give from this


- Original Message - 
From: Mark Radabaugh 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment

You very likely want to force them to use the feds website to verify 
eligibility.   You can do it on your own but I would strongly suggest you don’t 
want to do that as it entails a lot more work and liability on your part 
including handling a lot of sensitive personal information like social security 
numbers, tax returns, etc. 
Mark

On May 21, 2021, at 10:02 AM, dave via AF  wrote:
What do we do as an ISP? Do we enroll the customer or do they enroll them 
selves and we submit their acceptance?

On 5/17/21 7:14 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
We have one that we were able to fully qualify and enroll last week. Of the 5 
that applied over the weekend 3 say “Application_Not_Found”, one is 
“Application Pending” and one has multiple fails for 
“Application_not_complete”, “Invalid_Address”, and “State_Fed_Fail”.     Just 
starting to dig into what all this means though. Mark On May 16, 2021, at 3:34 
PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies  wrote: Has  anyone  had  any  
luck  enrolling  customers  in  EBB?   I have 3customers  that  I'm  trying  to 
enroll.  Al 3 say the went though theprocess.  One of them sent me a screen 
shot saying they were accepted.Every time I try to enroll them I get "The  
subscriber  has not qualified through the National Verifier yetor their 
application has expired. You can qualify them now at getemergencybroadband.org" 
The  odds  of  all  3 screwing up are low.  Just wondering if 

Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Mark - having tons of trouble getting our company accounts registered in NLAD.  
I can login and look around but can't do much else.  To call and ask for help 
is a 45+ min process (i've already done it once) 

Questions:

Once a subscriber has enrolled do you have any way of looking them up?  For 
example I can login to the national verfier but then it presents me with a 
blank slate.  I can't look anyone up.  I guess this interface is for me taking 
an application over the phone or something which of course the webinars say is 
a no no no bad thing.  [the customer is supposed to sign the application under 
penalty of purgery]

We have about 30 customers so far who have told us they've signed up and wish 
the benefit to be added to their account.  Without any additional information 
(for example, PERFECTLY matching the street address like you said or the 
required SSN-4 if they don't have a 
tribal id, which none of ours will have, is there any way to get this 
information from the national verifier itself?  If not, that means we have
to go back and request this information from everyone who has signed up 
already.   That's fine, we've not been "egging people" along
to sign up yet as we try to figure all of this out.  Coming down to the wire on 
June 1 tho.

from https://forms.universalservice.org/portal/login;  NLAD ; ETC Admin 
Page ; Maintain SAC Information ; I can't enter / modify
anyhthing there.  Shouldn't I be able to see my SAC?  I can see my SAC under 
the officer home page.  Confused there.

>From NLAD ; I can add staff members, but i can't add their representative IDS. 
>   is this normal?

Thanks for any advice you can give from this


  - Original Message - 
  From: Mark Radabaugh 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 11:07 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment


  You very likely want to force them to use the feds website to verify 
eligibility.   You can do it on your own but I would strongly suggest you don’t 
want to do that as it entails a lot more work and liability on your part 
including handling a lot of sensitive personal information like social security 
numbers, tax returns, etc.   


  Mark



On May 21, 2021, at 10:02 AM, dave via AF  wrote:


What do we do as an ISP? Do we enroll the customer or do they enroll them 
selves and we submit their acceptance?




On 5/17/21 7:14 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

We have one that we were able to fully qualify and enroll last week.

Of the 5 that applied over the weekend 3 say “Application_Not_Found”, one is 
“Application Pending” and one has multiple fails for 
“Application_not_complete”, “Invalid_Address”, and “State_Fed_Fail”.

Just starting to dig into what all this means though.

Mark

On May 16, 2021, at 3:34 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies  wrote:

Has  anyone  had  any  luck  enrolling  customers  in  EBB?   I have 3
customers  that  I'm  trying  to enroll.  Al 3 say the went though the
process.  One of them sent me a screen shot saying they were accepted.
Every time I try to enroll them I get

"The  subscriber  has not qualified through the National Verifier yet
or their application has expired. You can qualify them now at 
getemergencybroadband.org"

The  odds  of  all  3 screwing up are low.  Just wondering if there is
something I'm missing.


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Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

We have five qualified but I haven't tried to enroll them yet.  I'll post when 
I do...probably tomorrow

- Reply message -
From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment
Date: Sun, May 16, 2021 2:34 PM

Has  anyone  had  any  luck  enrolling  customers  in  EBB?   I have 3
customers  that  I'm  trying  to enroll.  Al 3 say the went though the
process.  One of them sent me a screen shot saying they were accepted.
Every time I try to enroll them I get

"The  subscriber  has not qualified through the National Verifier yet
or their application has expired. You can qualify them now at 
getemergencybroadband.org"

The  odds  of  all  3 screwing up are low.  Just wondering if there is
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Why isn't the internet Free?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

15 a monthyet to connect power it's $350.  To connect water it's $150.  
Monopoly vs not a monopoly ?  I enourage solar panels ..

- Reply message -
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Why isn't the internet Free?
Date: Wed, Apr 28, 2021 10:05 AM

People sometimes have a mental block about things. Kind of like some 
people think that beer is somehow not plant based.

https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-host-rages-against-plant-based-beer-2021-4
 


bp


On 4/28/2021 7:22 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> Every now and then you get a customer that just grinds your gears. 
> Customer has multiple streaming services, including Youtube TV, so 
> they have to be paying over $100/month for their OTT packages, but 
> they REFUSE to spend more than $35/month for our lowest grandfathered 
> base package, and continually complain about picture quality and 
> buffering.  We've offered our higher packages, but 'I can't afford 
> that'  So we've told them multiple times that they're not happy with 
> us and they need to switch to Comcast, but 'Comcast is too expensive'  
> and 'I'm just a poor teacher'  Then they had the audacity to tell us 
> 'I even went and bought a new 4k Samsung smart TV thinking that would 
> fix everything, but it's all still grainy and still buffering!'  Well, 
> yes, it's maxing out your plan speed.  No matter how expensive of a TV 
> you get it'll still have that problem. I'm not sure what the problem 
> is with upgrading their package since apparently they can spend money 
> on everything else.
>
> Not really looking for any answers, just need someone to gripe to 
> since I'm sitting here by myself this morning.
>

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Alabama

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Thank you sir

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From: "Bill Prince" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Alabama
Date: Fri, Mar 26, 2021 9:43 AM

I was thinking the same thing when we were watching the news last
night. Georgia & I were talking about you guys & hoping
ya'll were OK. I'll pass on the word.



bp

On 3/25/2021 11:52 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
wrote:















Where we are yes...a lot of flooding and our
building took a lightning hit early am.  Switches and
routers with phantom lights and weirdness and the whole
building smells of fried magic smoke.  Could have been a lot
worse and it was a lot worse about an hour south of us.
Thanks for checking in





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From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 

To: 

Cc: "Chuck McCown" 

Subject: [AFMUG] OT Alabama

Date: Fri, Mar 26, 2021 12:36 AM






You guys OK?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Alabama

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Where we are yes...a lot of flooding and our building took a lightning hit 
early am.  Switches and routers with phantom lights and weirdness and the whole 
building smells of fried magic smoke.  Could have been a lot worse and it was a 
lot worse about an hour south of us. Thanks for checking in

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From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: 
Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Alabama
Date: Fri, Mar 26, 2021 12:36 AM

You guys OK?

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Re: [AFMUG] EBB program

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I see most of the user fees process and documentation is part of the USAC 
election process.
Do I need to wait on the FCC approval before starting the USAC part of it?


  - Original Message - 
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 5:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB program



  I am behind the eight ball on this.  Just submitted the application on the 
FCC website.  Haven't done anything with USAC nor
  have I submitted any pricing information (or been asked) - - what should I 
expect next?

  I thought Friday was the last day for "expedited" processing - - noticed 
today is the deadline.  Whopps.At least I had planned
  on doing it today. :)


- Original Message - 
From: Mark Radabaugh 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB program


For what it’s worth I said: 


"Details of all service offerings are available at 
https://www.amplex.net/residential-wireless and 
https://www.amplex.net/residential-fiber.   For historical information please 
see the Web Achive at: 
http://web.archive.org/web/20200406144022/https://www.amplex.net/.   Service 
plans and pricing available on December 1, 2020 are unchanged as of the date of 
this letter. “



and


"Please see our prior and current FCC form 477 filings for verification of 
our service areas and product offerings.  Our most recent filing covering 
12/31/2020 was entered on 2/19/2021.”


I scanned a copy of our trifold brochure(s) with the service plans and 
attached those to the letter.


Approval came back an hour after I submitted it.


Mark





  On Mar 12, 2021, at 2:42 PM, Steve Jones  
wrote:


  That's something I dont like about the government using subscription 
data. Its dumb because it's not realistic, the customer defines that. If you 
offer a cheap 1Mbps plan, and a customer came from dialup, they're happier than 
a pig in shit with it, but does that mean its underserved?


  On Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 11:47 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
 wrote:

USAC  wants "Evidence that the provider had the same service offerings
available  on December 1, 2020".  I'm not sure what type of evidence I
can  give  them.   Pointer to website wouldn't help.  I don't think we
have ever filed any FCC or USAC paperwork that shows our pricing.  Was
thinking  about  printing out a December invoice from random customers
for each plan and blanking out the customer info.

Thoughts?


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Wednesday, March 10, 2021, 1:21:48 PM, you wrote:

RC> Still waiting for more clarity on the verification stuff. I can't 
seem to
RC> find straight answers yet and I believe that's because nobody 
really knows
RC> yet. I've heard from some that the customer prequalifies 
themselves. I've
RC> also read that we will have access to the "national verifier" but 
I'm not
RC> certain that is the "catchall" way to qualify people. I'm nervous 
that we'll
RC> have a bunch of different systems to deal with (national verifier, 
school
RC> lunch program, local school districts, state unemployment, etc.)  
We shall
RC> see. 




RC> -Original Message-
RC> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka 
Technologies
RC> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:50 AM
RC> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
RC> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB program

RC> Randy,

RC> We  got  our  FCC  approval  yesterday.   Going  to  do the USAC 
stuff
RC> tomorrow.  Going to be some overhead for us, but we have to do it.

RC> I think I can put it into our billing system (PLAT) fairly easy.

RC> Big  thing  for  me is what we are allowed to do for non-payers on 
our
RC> higher  tier  plans.  I know we are going to have to write up a 
fairly
RC> detailed  sign-up  sheet  explaining  everything  about the plan.  
I'm
RC> thinking  part  of  that  write up sheet will have some verbiage 
about
RC> automatically  downgrading to lowest tier if account is past due by 
10 days.

RC> Have you looked at any of the verification stuff yet?


RC> --
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RC>  Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

RC> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
RC> www.Myakka.com

RC> --

RC> Wednesday, March 10, 2021, 11:15:04 AM, you wrote:

RC>> We are.  Just got through the first application/approval.

RC>> R

Re: [AFMUG] EBB program

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I am behind the eight ball on this.  Just submitted the application on the FCC 
website.  Haven't done anything with USAC nor
have I submitted any pricing information (or been asked) - - what should I 
expect next?

I thought Friday was the last day for "expedited" processing - - noticed today 
is the deadline.  Whopps.At least I had planned
on doing it today. :)


  - Original Message - 
  From: Mark Radabaugh 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 6:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB program


  For what it’s worth I said:


  "Details of all service offerings are available at 
https://www.amplex.net/residential-wireless and 
https://www.amplex.net/residential-fiber.   For historical information please 
see the Web Achive at: 
http://web.archive.org/web/20200406144022/https://www.amplex.net/.   Service 
plans and pricing available on December 1, 2020 are unchanged as of the date of 
this letter. “



  and


  "Please see our prior and current FCC form 477 filings for verification of 
our service areas and product offerings.  Our most recent filing covering 
12/31/2020 was entered on 2/19/2021.”


  I scanned a copy of our trifold brochure(s) with the service plans and 
attached those to the letter.


  Approval came back an hour after I submitted it.


  Mark

  



On Mar 12, 2021, at 2:42 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:


That's something I dont like about the government using subscription data. 
Its dumb because it's not realistic, the customer defines that. If you offer a 
cheap 1Mbps plan, and a customer came from dialup, they're happier than a pig 
in shit with it, but does that mean its underserved?


On Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 11:47 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies  
wrote:

  USAC  wants "Evidence that the provider had the same service offerings
  available  on December 1, 2020".  I'm not sure what type of evidence I
  can  give  them.   Pointer to website wouldn't help.  I don't think we
  have ever filed any FCC or USAC paperwork that shows our pricing.  Was
  thinking  about  printing out a December invoice from random customers
  for each plan and blanking out the customer info.

  Thoughts?


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  Wednesday, March 10, 2021, 1:21:48 PM, you wrote:

  RC> Still waiting for more clarity on the verification stuff. I can't 
seem to
  RC> find straight answers yet and I believe that's because nobody really 
knows
  RC> yet. I've heard from some that the customer prequalifies themselves. 
I've
  RC> also read that we will have access to the "national verifier" but I'm 
not
  RC> certain that is the "catchall" way to qualify people. I'm nervous 
that we'll
  RC> have a bunch of different systems to deal with (national verifier, 
school
  RC> lunch program, local school districts, state unemployment, etc.)  We 
shall
  RC> see. 




  RC> -Original Message-
  RC> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka 
Technologies
  RC> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:50 AM
  RC> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  RC> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB program

  RC> Randy,

  RC> We  got  our  FCC  approval  yesterday.   Going  to  do the USAC stuff
  RC> tomorrow.  Going to be some overhead for us, but we have to do it.

  RC> I think I can put it into our billing system (PLAT) fairly easy.

  RC> Big  thing  for  me is what we are allowed to do for non-payers on our
  RC> higher  tier  plans.  I know we are going to have to write up a fairly
  RC> detailed  sign-up  sheet  explaining  everything  about the plan.  I'm
  RC> thinking  part  of  that  write up sheet will have some verbiage about
  RC> automatically  downgrading to lowest tier if account is past due by 
10 days.

  RC> Have you looked at any of the verification stuff yet?


  RC> --
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  RC>  Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

  RC> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
  RC> www.Myakka.com

  RC> --

  RC> Wednesday, March 10, 2021, 11:15:04 AM, you wrote:

  RC>> We are.  Just got through the first application/approval.

  RC>> Randy Cosby
  RC>> InfoWest



  RC>> -Original Message-
  RC>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka 
  RC>> Technologies
  RC>> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:09 AM
  RC>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  RC>> Subject: [AFMUG] EBB program

  RC>> Just curious, who out there is looking at doing this?


  RC>> --

  RC>> Thanks,
  RC>>  Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com

  RC>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
  RC>> www.Myakka.com


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Re: [AFMUG] EBB program

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Review...not read to you

- Reply message -
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG]EBB program
Date: Wed, Mar 10, 2021 12:47 PM

We want to play too. the state of Alabama has given us a really good program 
for students in schools with low income families and school subsidized lunches 
called ABC for students. This program will make that look like a trial run and 
we added about 1,000 subscribers just from that program.

Wispa and Steve Coran put on an excellent webinar last Friday that I must read 
you again. I think we only have until maybe next friday? To sign up.


- Reply message -
From: "Randy Cosby" 
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: [AFMUG] EBB program
Date: Wed, Mar 10, 2021 12:21 PM

Still waiting for more clarity on the verification stuff. I can't seem to
find straight answers yet and I believe that's because nobody really knows
yet. I've heard from some that the customer prequalifies themselves. I've
also read that we will have access to the "national verifier" but I'm not
certain that is the "catchall" way to qualify people. I'm nervous that we'll
have a bunch of different systems to deal with (national verifier, school
lunch program, local school districts, state unemployment, etc.)  We shall
see. 




-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB program

Randy,

We  got  our  FCC  approval  yesterday.   Going  to  do the USAC stuff
tomorrow.  Going to be some overhead for us, but we have to do it.

I think I can put it into our billing system (PLAT) fairly easy.

Big  thing  for  me is what we are allowed to do for non-payers on our
higher  tier  plans.  I know we are going to have to write up a fairly
detailed  sign-up  sheet  explaining  everything  about the plan.  I'm
thinking  part  of  that  write up sheet will have some verbiage about
automatically  downgrading to lowest tier if account is past due by 10 days.

Have you looked at any of the verification stuff yet?


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Wednesday, March 10, 2021, 11:15:04 AM, you wrote:

RC> We are.  Just got through the first application/approval.

RC> Randy Cosby
RC> InfoWest



RC> -Original Message-
RC> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka 
RC> Technologies
RC> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:09 AM
RC> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
RC> Subject: [AFMUG] EBB program

RC> Just curious, who out there is looking at doing this?


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RC>  Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com

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Re: [AFMUG] EBB program

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

We want to play too. the state of Alabama has given us a really good program 
for students in schools with low income families and school subsidized lunches 
called ABC for students. This program will make that look like a trial run and 
we added about 1,000 subscribers just from that program.

Wispa and Steve Coran put on an excellent webinar last Friday that I must read 
you again. I think we only have until maybe next friday? To sign up.

- Reply message -
From: "Randy Cosby" 
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: [AFMUG] EBB program
Date: Wed, Mar 10, 2021 12:21 PM

Still waiting for more clarity on the verification stuff. I can't seem to
find straight answers yet and I believe that's because nobody really knows
yet. I've heard from some that the customer prequalifies themselves. I've
also read that we will have access to the "national verifier" but I'm not
certain that is the "catchall" way to qualify people. I'm nervous that we'll
have a bunch of different systems to deal with (national verifier, school
lunch program, local school districts, state unemployment, etc.)  We shall
see. 




-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB program

Randy,

We  got  our  FCC  approval  yesterday.   Going  to  do the USAC stuff
tomorrow.  Going to be some overhead for us, but we have to do it.

I think I can put it into our billing system (PLAT) fairly easy.

Big  thing  for  me is what we are allowed to do for non-payers on our
higher  tier  plans.  I know we are going to have to write up a fairly
detailed  sign-up  sheet  explaining  everything  about the plan.  I'm
thinking  part  of  that  write up sheet will have some verbiage about
automatically  downgrading to lowest tier if account is past due by 10 days.

Have you looked at any of the verification stuff yet?


--
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RC> We are.  Just got through the first application/approval.

RC> Randy Cosby
RC> InfoWest



RC> -Original Message-
RC> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka 
RC> Technologies
RC> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:09 AM
RC> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
RC> Subject: [AFMUG] EBB program

RC> Just curious, who out there is looking at doing this?


RC> --

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RC>  Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com

RC> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
RC> www.Myakka.com


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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

How's the wind loading on that dish going to be at 500+ mph?

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: 
Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results
Date: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 3:13 PM

My overly optimistic forehead brain tells me that Starlink will be so 
successful internationally for governments, military, industry, remote rural 
etc 
etc that they will max out their system in the first few years without even 
needing any domestic customers.  I am sure they will come out with a mobile 
package soon and Teslas will have it built in.  




From: Adam 
Moffett 
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 7:34 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and 
results


Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed
wireless comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The world will move on and 
you'll have to adapt to it. 
But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated more 
spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared to what 
they're trying to do.

On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:


Was Netflix the end of DVDs?

It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer 
100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they should be 
able to compete fine.

Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't work 
- but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a few thousand 
dollars for a tower for WISP CPE.



On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:

So this is the END of WISP?


On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert  wrote:
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mile radius from registered 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT one month

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Speaking of fuzzy math.at a local eatery on vacation.  We'd like to split 
some chicken fingers please.

Eight chicken fingers for 15.99.

Six chicken fingers for 8.99 as long as we are seniors (we are apparently)

How much per chicken finger?

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: 
Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT one month
Date: Thu, Mar 4, 2021 10:06 AM

So Utah had an average of 1391 new cases/day  30 days ago.  

Today we are averaging 587.

The trend line looks linear...  

A drop of 804 cases per day in a month.  Average reduction of 26.8 new 
cases per day.

26.8 * 31 = 830  

Looks to me like we will run out of new cases before the end of the
month  Math, Bitch!

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Re: [AFMUG] OT one month

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

We definitely had a surge in bama at Christmas.  I was part of it :(. All 
better now

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From: "Robert" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT one month
Date: Thu, Mar 4, 2021 11:15 AM

Wow, I guess you live in a different country
than some of the rest of us.   Those surges definitely "came to
fruition" around CA, NV, Utah, Alabama, Texas, and a host of other
states.    And the article I read said that those 2.3K people that
got a partial dose, the efficacy is "unknown"...   



Lastly, you should get the vaccine, Trump did...



On 3/4/21 8:51 AM, Steve Jones wrote:





Id bet, much like the thanksgiving and christmas
and new years celebration surges that never came to fruition,
the Missouri and texas surges wont come to fruition. theyre
doing everything they can to keep people scared. Firing Fauci
would help to unifi messaging. I noticed that prick is like the
fat kid that no matter what someone says he starts his response
with "weee aaawwwccctcuuaaay..." Now
theyre saying if you only get .2ml of a .3 ml dose (result from
using wrong syringes) youre still "protected"
Interesting to see the CDC guidance next week on vaccinated
individuals, Ill put money on it that Grouchy Fauci gets on
CNN and "Wel aaawwwcccchhhully..." whatever
the guidance is.





Here in illinois I just got mainligned for the vaccine
cause I smoke. Im not getting the vaccine because I believe in
actual science and know that there have been zero indicators
that my prior infection does not garner the same level of
immunity that the vaccines offer, but it goes to show that the
old cigarette ads were correct and smoking is in fact good for
you. COVID has been like one massive tobacco ad. smokers were
less inclined to have the negative outcomes because this is a
vascular disease and our nicotine intake kept our circulatory
systems vasoconstricted so the inflammation was limited. now
we are top dogs for vaccines. 





When the nukes fall all that will be left is cockroaches,
smokers, and fauci (also a cockroach) saying
"weeell aaawwwcccttccullly..."






On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 10:14
AM Bill Prince  wrote:





A bunch of people from Texas will come to Utah and spread
it around.



bp

On 3/4/2021 8:06 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:






So Utah had an average of 1391 new cases/day  30
days ago.  

Today we are averaging 587.

 

The trend line looks linear...  

 

A drop of 804 cases per day in a month.  Average
reduction of 26.8 new cases per day.

 

26.8 * 31 = 830  

 

Looks to me like we will run out of new cases
before the end of the month  Math, Bitch!

 

Ask me in a month what went wrong...











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Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

nothing found in the house to tie him to the explosion.
hmmm - which deep state actor set him up?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ken Hohhof 
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 11:57 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security


  This:

  
https://www.the-sun.com/news/2036056/nashville-bomb-anthony-quinn-warner-police-warned-rv/

   

  Sounds like a UK tabloid.  Caveat emptor.

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 11:22 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

   

  Which media?

bpOn 12/28/2020 9:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

If you believe the media report:

 

Warner wrote in the letter that he “intended to travel on Christmas Eve to 
spend a few weeks in the woods with his dogs,” the report said.

The tech expert is believed by authorities to have previously had a 
relationship with Swing’s mother, according to the report.

Warner reportedly went on to write to Swing, 29, that he was signing over a 
home to her — but gave her a vague warning of something out of the ordinary 
about the basement.

“The attic has plywood and lighting, take a look,” the letter concluded, 
according to the outlet. “The basement is not normal, take a look. Woof woof 
Julio.”

So what you find unusual is the plywood?  Not spending a few weeks in the 
woods with his dogs?  Not “woof woof Julio”?

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

I think it all depends on how much plywood you have in the attic

 

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Lewis Bergman  
wrote:

  I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it. Does that mean I 
believe in more aliens than most people since I have more boats in more 
garages. Or is it only the people that store the boats in those spaces that 
believe in aliens?

   

  On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM James Howard  wrote:

I dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in my garage.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

That checks out.

On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:

  You’re saying that people with garages with basements believe in 
aliens?

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

   

  How many people on this list would have to make the same disclaimer 
if they gave someone their house?

   

  I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose garages 
had basements.

   

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

   

  This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens 
and sent a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic and weird 
basement. This is the gift that keeps on giving

   

  On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a 
“relationship” with the 29 year old woman’s mother.  So you may be close.

 

And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a year ago that he was 
making bombs in his RV.  And that his RV may have been spotted at the bombing 
site in the days prior as if he had been scouting the site.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.

This is it guys, they have the evidence

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E

Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct energy 
weapons.

This is gonna get super fun.

Deep state psyop

Even saw a guy point out  - AN th ON y Q uinn WARN er 

Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically modified this super 
soldier silent cell to activate should the deep state try to subvert power from 
the people.

 

I'm going to feed these people. I may even have to get on 4chan 
again.

 

 

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 6:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:

  I am guessing he gave the house to a daughter.  Maybe she didn’t 
even know.

 

Re: [AFMUG] AT outage

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

We (in north alabama) had a rough 48 hours.  Went down 11:30ish after the blast 
and didn't come back up until late last night.
Or maybe it was Saturday night.  It was Saturday night, we did a movie on 
Sunday.  I refused on Sat cause I knew i'd be preoccupied
and didn't want to bug wife lol

I used to post on this list quite a bit from my phone but it died and i can't 
get a replacement (i love HTC, don't want anything else)
I never loaded the list on my old as dirt 5 year old HTC i'm using as a 
backup.sigh.

soon.  Might get one of those fancy google phones.


  - Original Message - 
  From: castarritt 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 3:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AT outage


  If you experience an AT outage lasting more than four hours, contact your 
family vehicle demolitionist?


  On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 2:31 PM James Howard  wrote:

Don’t they make pills for that sort of thing?  Maybe Steve’s doctors can 
fix you up.



From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 2:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AT outage



Must have been the tower I normally use.  I slowly came back.  



From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 1:05 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AT outage



The Man


Jaime Solorza 

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390





On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 7:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  We are out.  I wonder how widespread this is?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT PPE

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Wow..Merry Christmas.. lol :)


  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown via AF 
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 2:07 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT PPE


  We provide our employees an orange vest and hard hat.  We tell them they need 
steel toed boots.
  We don’t provide safety glasses.  

  Had a new guy work 7 hours and quit a couple of weeks ago.  Today he calls 
and claims an eye injury from mud during potholing.  Threatening legal action, 
called my wife a F.. C...

  (He did not report the injury to anyone at the time.  We are starting workers 
compensation process just in case.  Not sure he even went to the doctor).

  I called him and we had an interesting conversation.  He was on speaker 
phone, Jenny was standing here, I recorded it.  Was an asshole but I convinced 
him to do the right thing. He apologized.  

  Pretty sure he did not want what was going to come next if he did not 
apologize.  

  Do y’all provide safety glasses?  I think we will start now.  Potholing does 
spray mud.  And they are cheap. 

  I was fixin’ to go to jail a half hour ago.   Fun day...


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Thanks Bill!

  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Prince 
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 11:20 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?


  See? I thought that birdie was wrong!

  Happy birthday anyway Jay!




bp
On 9/9/2020 9:12 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


Thanks for the assumptionsit's 43.
I did ask my wife if i could stop having birthdays.
she said that would be very badno.
so, here's to more!

thanks everyone.

it's been a crazy rockin' and rolling time at our company lately.
We've been awarded 3 state grants to help deploy fiber.
Also we've been participating in a CARES act program to deploy broadband 
using our existing service.
We've taken like 300 orders in 2 days.

I was supposed to take off this week for my birthday.
Instead it has been postponed by two weeks.
:)


  - Original Message - 
  From: Jay Weekley 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 2:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?


  I think it's higher than that.

  Mike Hammett wrote:
  > 50?! Holy cow, that's old!
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > ;-)
  >
  >
  >
  > Yes, I know many, many of you are much older. I jab equally.  :-)
  >
  >
  >
  > -
  > Mike Hammett
  > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
  > 
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
  > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
  > 
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
  > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
  > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
  >
  >
  > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
  > 
  > *From: *"Bill Prince" 
  > *To: *"AFMUG" 
  > *Sent: *Tuesday, September 8, 2020 1:16:09 PM
  > *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?
  >
  >
  > A birdie told me that today is Jay Fuller's 50th birthday. The birdie is
  > just a birdie, so don't blame me if I'm wrong.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Thanks for the assumptionsit's 43.
I did ask my wife if i could stop having birthdays.
she said that would be very badno.
so, here's to more!

thanks everyone.

it's been a crazy rockin' and rolling time at our company lately.
We've been awarded 3 state grants to help deploy fiber.
Also we've been participating in a CARES act program to deploy broadband using 
our existing service.
We've taken like 300 orders in 2 days.

I was supposed to take off this week for my birthday.
Instead it has been postponed by two weeks.
:)


  - Original Message - 
  From: Jay Weekley 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 2:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?


  I think it's higher than that.

  Mike Hammett wrote:
  > 50?! Holy cow, that's old!
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > ;-)
  >
  >
  >
  > Yes, I know many, many of you are much older. I jab equally.  :-)
  >
  >
  >
  > -
  > Mike Hammett
  > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
  > 

  > Midwest Internet Exchange 
  > 

  > The Brothers WISP 
  > 
  >
  >
  > 
  > 
  > *From: *"Bill Prince" 
  > *To: *"AFMUG" 
  > *Sent: *Tuesday, September 8, 2020 1:16:09 PM
  > *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?
  >
  >
  > A birdie told me that today is Jay Fuller's 50th birthday. The birdie is
  > just a birdie, so don't blame me if I'm wrong.
  >
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Re: [AFMUG] billing again

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

apparently not illegal anymore, lots of vendors here are now passing along 
their credit card processing fee right to you on the charge slip.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Cameron Crum 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 10:44 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing again


  Charles has not been involved with IPPay for some time. Sonar is 
$1.25/sub/month up to 5000 then it drops in tiers. Not sure about Emerald. UCRM 
is free but who knows if it will be around in a few years or even tomorrow. 
Ivan (Freeside) has not been around for a few years. Not sure what happened to 
him, but he quit coming to the Wisp trade shows and stuff. But, Freeside is 
"free" if you can get it set up with the ambiguous instructions, or you can pay 
a "support" contract, but his main dev/support guy Jeremy went to work for Matt 
Larson a couple years ago. I really don't know if Ivan even still maintains 
stuff or not. ACH is a little cheaper but more difficult to track. YOu will get 
approvals and then when it goes to settle in 24-48 hours the money will not be 
there and it will decline. I think IPPay will now send you an email or 
something, but I don't believe anyone has a way to automate that failure to pay 
in their billing system so it requires effort to make sure you are getting your 
money. It is illegal to charge to take credit cards, but you can give a 
discount for paying by check or cash. 


  Does that muddy the waters sufficiently?


  Cameron


  On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:28 AM  wrote:

So what is the relative costs of the different billing systems.

I see platypus is free up to 100 subs then $104/month up to 250.  Required 
ippay.  Does Charles Wu still own ippay?

What are the costs of the others?
Sonar
Emerald
UCRM

The one Ivan sells.  Not sure of the name.  
Others?

Is ACH cheaper than credit cards from a fee/royalty point of view?  
If so can you force a 100% ACH on the customers or will that be 
problematic.  
I could always leave it up to them to pay any way they want but charge a 
surcharge for credit cards.

Send me a check, drop by with cash, set up auto bill pay with your bank...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT movie suggestions

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Go watch "the last ship" on Hulu.  Was on TNT...

Sent from my smartphone

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From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT movie suggestions
Date: Wed, Apr 22, 2020 7:41 PM

Anyone have anything to recommend?
I saw the Ronda Rousey documentary last night.  It was well worth 
watching.
Death of Stalin was good.  
Starting to watch Killing Eve.  
Devs just got weird.  Meh
Westworld is getting weird too.  
Billions starts up again soon... that is one of my favs.  
Little fires was interesting in the beginning but became too much of a 
chick flick for me at the end.
I like High Maintenance.
Better call Saul is coming to and end... sob...
Homeland is ending this week ... sob ...
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