Re: [AFMUG] CnHeat
I was feeling lonely. I feel better now. - Reply message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: Cc: "Chuck McCown" Subject: [AFMUG] CnHeat Date: Wed, Nov 2, 2022 3:06 PM You have to wait for the CTS From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2022 1:59 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CnHeat Um. Er. Received. bp On 11/2/2022 12:52 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: Um. Er. Test. - Reply message -From: dmmoffett@gmail.comTo: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" mailto:af@af.afmug.comSubject: [AFMUG] CnHeatDate: Mon, Oct 31, 2022 12:22 PM Can Cambium use CnHeat for planning WiFi deployments, or is it only for PMP products? -- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CnHeat
You have to wait for the CTS From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2022 1:59 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CnHeat Um. Er. Received. bp On 11/2/2022 12:52 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: Um. Er. Test. - Reply message - From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" mailto:af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] CnHeat Date: Mon, Oct 31, 2022 12:22 PM Can Cambium use CnHeat for planning WiFi deployments, or is it only for PMP products? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CnHeat
nak From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2022 1:59 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CnHeat Um. Er. Received. bp On 11/2/2022 12:52 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: Um. Er. Test. - Reply message - From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" mailto:af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] CnHeat Date: Mon, Oct 31, 2022 12:22 PM Can Cambium use CnHeat for planning WiFi deployments, or is it only for PMP products? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CnHeat
Um. Er. Received. bp On 11/2/2022 12:52 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: Um. Er. Test. - Reply message - From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" Subject: [AFMUG] CnHeat Date: Mon, Oct 31, 2022 12:22 PM Can Cambium use CnHeat for planning WiFi deployments, or is it only for PMP products? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CnHeat
Um. Er. Test. - Reply message - From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" Subject: [AFMUG] CnHeat Date: Mon, Oct 31, 2022 12:22 PM Can Cambium use CnHeat for planning WiFi deployments, or is it only for PMP products?-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] CnHeat
Can Cambium use CnHeat for planning WiFi deployments, or is it only for PMP products? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
you would have to talk to them. but it was much less than we expected On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 1:53 PM Jason Wilson wrote: > What is the pricing? > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 10:53 AM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> potato potatoe >> >> We are pulling the trigger on it. Im just thinking how much more bits I >> can get out of our network now. Our smartaligner just arrived, so we will >> be able to put in super accurate info. Problem customers, we have a tool >> now to identify better mounting locations, new installs I know will be in >> the best location instead of the easiest (yeah, no, I know installers) but >> at least the probabilities are much more better >> >> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:41 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >>> Yep, you’re arguing about semantics. The difference between “free” and >>> “a tool that pays for itself” is hard to see. Some people would use the >>> term “no-brainer”. >>> >>> >>> >>> Whether it in fact pays for itself is a more substantive question. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >>> *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2020 10:58 AM >>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >>> >>> >>> >>> It's a figure of speech. >>> >>> On 3/27/2020 11:56 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> >>> It's not free, it's more of an investment. Or a tool that pays for >>> itself. >>> >>> >>> There's no such thing as free, Bernie. >>> >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail=g> >>> Suite 1337 >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail=g> >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail=g> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 4:08 PM Steve Jones >>> wrote: >>> >>> Cheat is effectively free if you can identify the right number of >>> customers who you passed over because of a failed installation. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:10 AM Adam Moffett >>> wrote: >>> >>> Maybe since George made the same commute every day he could file one >>> recurring flight plan for the whole year. >>> >>> On 3/26/2020 10:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>> They never mentioned this on The Jetsons. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On >>> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:48 AM >>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >>> >>> >>> >>> We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters. >>> You could make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look cooler >>> and burn way more fuel. The bigger problem isn't building a flying car, >>> it's that the driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file flight plans. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>> Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no cutting >>> in line. Oh, and where’s my flying car? >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On >>> Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >>> >>> >>> >>> I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the >>> installs too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot, >>> nanotech installs >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>> Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees >>> near the site. Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind. >>> >>> >>> >>> I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall >>> skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that >>> grows 5-10 feet per in height per year. The trees had grown to be taller >>> than the house, and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw. Everything >>&g
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
What is the pricing? On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 10:53 AM Steve Jones wrote: > potato potatoe > > We are pulling the trigger on it. Im just thinking how much more bits I > can get out of our network now. Our smartaligner just arrived, so we will > be able to put in super accurate info. Problem customers, we have a tool > now to identify better mounting locations, new installs I know will be in > the best location instead of the easiest (yeah, no, I know installers) but > at least the probabilities are much more better > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:41 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> Yep, you’re arguing about semantics. The difference between “free” and >> “a tool that pays for itself” is hard to see. Some people would use the >> term “no-brainer”. >> >> >> >> Whether it in fact pays for itself is a more substantive question. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >> *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2020 10:58 AM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >> >> >> >> It's a figure of speech. >> >> On 3/27/2020 11:56 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >> It's not free, it's more of an investment. Or a tool that pays for >> itself. >> >> >> There's no such thing as free, Bernie. >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail=g> >> Suite 1337 >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail=g> >> Troy, OH 45373 >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail=g> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 4:08 PM Steve Jones >> wrote: >> >> Cheat is effectively free if you can identify the right number of >> customers who you passed over because of a failed installation. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:10 AM Adam Moffett wrote: >> >> Maybe since George made the same commute every day he could file one >> recurring flight plan for the whole year. >> >> On 3/26/2020 10:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> They never mentioned this on The Jetsons. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On >> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:48 AM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >> >> >> >> We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters. You >> could make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look cooler and >> burn way more fuel. The bigger problem isn't building a flying car, it's >> that the driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file flight plans. >> >> >> >> On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no cutting in >> line. Oh, and where’s my flying car? >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On >> Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >> >> >> >> I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the installs >> too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot, nanotech >> installs >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees >> near the site. Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind. >> >> >> >> I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall >> skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that >> grows 5-10 feet per in height per year. The trees had grown to be taller >> than the house, and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw. Everything >> was fine when the wind was from the north, but with a strong wind from the >> south, the link would completely drop. She wouldn’t believe me the trees >> were bending in the wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story >> roof and plug a little amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of >> the Cambium SM. You could watch the trees sway back and forth and listen >> to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind blew hard enough. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM >> *To:* An
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
potato potatoe We are pulling the trigger on it. Im just thinking how much more bits I can get out of our network now. Our smartaligner just arrived, so we will be able to put in super accurate info. Problem customers, we have a tool now to identify better mounting locations, new installs I know will be in the best location instead of the easiest (yeah, no, I know installers) but at least the probabilities are much more better On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:41 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Yep, you’re arguing about semantics. The difference between “free” and “a > tool that pays for itself” is hard to see. Some people would use the term > “no-brainer”. > > > > Whether it in fact pays for itself is a more substantive question. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2020 10:58 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > > > > It's a figure of speech. > > On 3/27/2020 11:56 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > It's not free, it's more of an investment. Or a tool that pays for > itself. > > > There's no such thing as free, Bernie. > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 4:08 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > > Cheat is effectively free if you can identify the right number of > customers who you passed over because of a failed installation. > > > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:10 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > > Maybe since George made the same commute every day he could file one > recurring flight plan for the whole year. > > On 3/26/2020 10:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > They never mentioned this on The Jetsons. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf > Of *Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:48 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > > > > We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters. You > could make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look cooler and > burn way more fuel. The bigger problem isn't building a flying car, it's > that the driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file flight plans. > > > > On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no cutting in > line. Oh, and where’s my flying car? > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf > Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > > > > I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the installs > too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot, nanotech > installs > > > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees > near the site. Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind. > > > > I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall > skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that > grows 5-10 feet per in height per year. The trees had grown to be taller > than the house, and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw. Everything > was fine when the wind was from the north, but with a strong wind from the > south, the link would completely drop. She wouldn’t believe me the trees > were bending in the wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story > roof and plug a little amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of > the Cambium SM. You could watch the trees sway back and forth and listen > to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind blew hard enough. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > > > > that would be a discussion to have with them. > > LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30 seconds is > amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger > > > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > 900 is magic not science. I never felt there was a logical explanation to > where it worked and where it didn't. I also believe cnHeat is basically > looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR > data would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings. > > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of Jay Weekley > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > > Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was > supported
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
It equates to free if you are able to identify customers you had previously passed over, written off as uninstallable and were able to come back and get them based on info obtained from CNHeat. Revenue we didnt have, but then have On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 10:57 AM Josh Luthman wrote: > It's not free, it's more of an investment. Or a tool that pays for itself. > > There's no such thing as free, Bernie. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 4:08 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> Cheat is effectively free if you can identify the right number of >> customers who you passed over because of a failed installation. >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:10 AM Adam Moffett wrote: >> >>> Maybe since George made the same commute every day he could file one >>> recurring flight plan for the whole year. >>> On 3/26/2020 10:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>> They never mentioned this on The Jetsons. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On >>> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:48 AM >>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >>> >>> >>> >>> We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters. >>> You could make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look cooler >>> and burn way more fuel. The bigger problem isn't building a flying car, >>> it's that the driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file flight plans. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>> Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no cutting >>> in line. Oh, and where’s my flying car? >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On >>> Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >>> >>> >>> >>> I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the >>> installs too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot, >>> nanotech installs >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>> Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees >>> near the site. Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind. >>> >>> >>> >>> I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall >>> skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that >>> grows 5-10 feet per in height per year. The trees had grown to be taller >>> than the house, and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw. Everything >>> was fine when the wind was from the north, but with a strong wind from the >>> south, the link would completely drop. She wouldn’t believe me the trees >>> were bending in the wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story >>> roof and plug a little amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of >>> the Cambium SM. You could watch the trees sway back and forth and listen >>> to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind blew hard enough. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >>> >>> >>> >>> that would be a discussion to have with them. >>> >>> LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30 seconds >>> is amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>> 900 is magic not science. I never felt there was a logical explanation >>> to where it worked and where it didn't. I also believe cnHeat is basically >>> looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR >>> data would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings. >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AF On Behalf Of Jay Weekley >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM >>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >>> >>> Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was >>>
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
Yep, you’re arguing about semantics. The difference between “free” and “a tool that pays for itself” is hard to see. Some people would use the term “no-brainer”. Whether it in fact pays for itself is a more substantive question. From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 10:58 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat It's a figure of speech. On 3/27/2020 11:56 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: It's not free, it's more of an investment. Or a tool that pays for itself. There's no such thing as free, Bernie. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 4:08 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: Cheat is effectively free if you can identify the right number of customers who you passed over because of a failed installation. On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:10 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote: Maybe since George made the same commute every day he could file one recurring flight plan for the whole year. On 3/26/2020 10:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: They never mentioned this on The Jetsons. From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:48 AM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters. You could make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look cooler and burn way more fuel. The bigger problem isn't building a flying car, it's that the driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file flight plans. On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no cutting in line. Oh, and where’s my flying car? From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the installs too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot, nanotech installs On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees near the site. Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind. I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that grows 5-10 feet per in height per year. The trees had grown to be taller than the house, and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw. Everything was fine when the wind was from the north, but with a strong wind from the south, the link would completely drop. She wouldn’t believe me the trees were bending in the wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story roof and plug a little amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of the Cambium SM. You could watch the trees sway back and forth and listen to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind blew hard enough. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat that would be a discussion to have with them. LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30 seconds is amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: 900 is magic not science. I never felt there was a logical explanation to where it worked and where it didn't. I also believe cnHeat is basically looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR data would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings. -Original Message- From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Jay Weekley Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was supported. 900 was on the road map. Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: > At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5 > > Jeff Broadwick > CTIconnect > 312-205-2519 Office > 574-220-7826 Cell > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com <mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com> > >> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley > <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote: >> >> What frequencies does it support? >> >> ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> How do they charge for it? Can you do work for the next guy over? >>> *From:* Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
It's a figure of speech.
On 3/27/2020 11:56 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
It's not free, it's more of an investment. Or a tool that pays for
itself.
There's no such thing as free, Bernie.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 4:08 PM Steve Jones <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Cheat is effectively free if you can identify the right number of
customers who you passed over because of a failed installation.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:10 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Maybe since George made the same commute every day he could
file one recurring flight plan for the whole year.
On 3/26/2020 10:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
They never mentioned this on The Jetsons.
*From:* AF
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:48 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them
helicopters. You could make it thing powered by ducted jets
and it'll just look cooler and burn way more fuel. The
bigger problem isn't building a flying car, it's that the
driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file flight plans.
On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower
monkey, no cutting in line. Oh, and where’s my flying car?
*From:* AF
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it
did the installs too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium
hq, lands on the spot, nanotech installs
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite,
especially for trees near the site. Stupid trees
grow, or blow in the wind.
I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever
those really tall skinny trees are, not the
evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that
grows 5-10 feet per in height per year. The trees
had grown to be taller than the house, and they took
2 of them out with a chainsaw. Everything was fine
when the wind was from the north, but with a strong
wind from the south, the link would completely drop.
She wouldn’t believe me the trees were bending in the
wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story
roof and plug a little amplified speaker into the
tone alignment port of the Cambium SM. You could
watch the trees sway back and forth and listen to the
tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind blew
hard enough.
*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
*Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
that would be a discussion to have with them.
LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch
with it in 30 seconds is amazing. We are 99.9% on
pulling the trigger
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
900 is magic not science. I never felt there was
a logical explanation to where it worked and
where it didn't. I also believe cnHeat is
basically looking for LOS, and if you asked it to
evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR data would
have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings.
-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of
Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only
5GHz and 3.5 GHz was supported. 900 was on the
road map.
Jeff B
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
It's not free, it's more of an investment. Or a tool that pays for itself. There's no such thing as free, Bernie. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 4:08 PM Steve Jones wrote: > Cheat is effectively free if you can identify the right number of > customers who you passed over because of a failed installation. > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:10 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > >> Maybe since George made the same commute every day he could file one >> recurring flight plan for the whole year. >> On 3/26/2020 10:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> They never mentioned this on The Jetsons. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On >> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:48 AM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >> >> >> >> We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters. You >> could make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look cooler and >> burn way more fuel. The bigger problem isn't building a flying car, it's >> that the driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file flight plans. >> >> >> >> On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no cutting in >> line. Oh, and where’s my flying car? >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On >> Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >> >> >> >> I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the installs >> too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot, nanotech >> installs >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees >> near the site. Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind. >> >> >> >> I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall >> skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that >> grows 5-10 feet per in height per year. The trees had grown to be taller >> than the house, and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw. Everything >> was fine when the wind was from the north, but with a strong wind from the >> south, the link would completely drop. She wouldn’t believe me the trees >> were bending in the wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story >> roof and plug a little amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of >> the Cambium SM. You could watch the trees sway back and forth and listen >> to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind blew hard enough. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >> >> >> >> that would be a discussion to have with them. >> >> LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30 seconds >> is amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> 900 is magic not science. I never felt there was a logical explanation >> to where it worked and where it didn't. I also believe cnHeat is basically >> looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR >> data would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AF On Behalf Of Jay Weekley >> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >> >> Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was >> supported. 900 was on the road map. >> >> Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: >> > At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5 >> > >> > Jeff Broadwick >> > CTIconnect >> > 312-205-2519 Office >> > 574-220-7826 Cell >> > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com >> > >> >> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley >> wrote: >> >> >> >> What frequencies does it support? >> >> >> >> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >> >>> How do they charge for it? Can you do work for the next guy over? >> >>> *From:* Steve Jones >> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM >> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Us
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
Cheat is effectively free if you can identify the right number of customers who you passed over because of a failed installation. On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:10 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > Maybe since George made the same commute every day he could file one > recurring flight plan for the whole year. > On 3/26/2020 10:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > They never mentioned this on The Jetsons. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf > Of *Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:48 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > > > > We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters. You > could make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look cooler and > burn way more fuel. The bigger problem isn't building a flying car, it's > that the driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file flight plans. > > > > On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no cutting in > line. Oh, and where’s my flying car? > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf > Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > > > > I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the installs > too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot, nanotech > installs > > > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees > near the site. Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind. > > > > I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall > skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that > grows 5-10 feet per in height per year. The trees had grown to be taller > than the house, and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw. Everything > was fine when the wind was from the north, but with a strong wind from the > south, the link would completely drop. She wouldn’t believe me the trees > were bending in the wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story > roof and plug a little amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of > the Cambium SM. You could watch the trees sway back and forth and listen > to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind blew hard enough. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > > > > that would be a discussion to have with them. > > LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30 seconds is > amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger > > > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > 900 is magic not science. I never felt there was a logical explanation to > where it worked and where it didn't. I also believe cnHeat is basically > looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR > data would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings. > > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of Jay Weekley > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > > Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was > supported. 900 was on the road map. > > Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: > > At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5 > > > > Jeff Broadwick > > CTIconnect > > 312-205-2519 Office > > 574-220-7826 Cell > > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > > > >> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley > wrote: > >> > >> What frequencies does it support? > >> > >> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > >>> How do they charge for it? Can you do work for the next guy over? > >>> *From:* Steve Jones > >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM > >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > >>> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never > know if you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of > hills, I can see the price being too high. But the other part where they > help identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and > more coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But > they're hard to keep watered. > >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband wrote: > >>> > >>> I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site > >>> does not work for us. We have to have many small sites because o
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
Maybe since George made the same commute every day he could file one
recurring flight plan for the whole year.
On 3/26/2020 10:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
They never mentioned this on The Jetsons.
*From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:48 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters.
You could make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look
cooler and burn way more fuel. The bigger problem isn't building a
flying car, it's that the driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file
flight plans.
On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no
cutting in line. Oh, and where’s my flying car?
*From:* AF
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the
installs too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the
spot, nanotech installs
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially
for trees near the site. Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind.
I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those
really tall skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or
poplar or something that grows 5-10 feet per in height per
year. The trees had grown to be taller than the house, and
they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw. Everything was fine
when the wind was from the north, but with a strong wind from
the south, the link would completely drop. She wouldn’t
believe me the trees were bending in the wind, until I had a
tech climb up on the second story roof and plug a little
amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of the Cambium
SM. You could watch the trees sway back and forth and listen
to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind blew
hard enough.
*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
that would be a discussion to have with them.
LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in
30 seconds is amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
900 is magic not science. I never felt there was a
logical explanation to where it worked and where it
didn't. I also believe cnHeat is basically looking for
LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the
LIDAR data would have to distinguish maples from pines
from buildings.
-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and
3.5 GHz was supported. 900 was on the road map.
Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com <mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com>
>
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>
>> What frequencies does it support?
>>
>> ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>> How do they charge for it? Can you do work for the
next guy over?
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>>> I would bet they would be able to get something
arranged. You never know if you don't ask. I know one isp
in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, I can see the
price being too high. But the other part where they help
identify best locations to cover from may be worth it.
Less towers and more coverage is always good. Planting
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
The cheaper solution to CNHeat which works really well for us is
Pictures from the AP location. Spend a couple Hundred dollars on a real
camera with good zoom. Send a guy to the AP location on a clear day and
have him take a panorama of pictures with the max zoom of the camera.
Unless you're regularly doing 10+ mile connections, you will know with
99% accuracy if you can get a connection or not. Will also give you a
gauge for tree growth. 'I can see the house over that 100 year forest,
they're not going to grow anymore' or 'I can see the house over that 2
year old maple, which will be growing 15' next year' I take a call from
a customer, pull up the pictures, and can either see their house or not,
even tell them where on the roof it will need to be installed all while
I'm on the phone with them.
I'm not denying that CNHeat is a cool product, but their pricing makes
it impossible for us to use. We have many small sites, And I know that
if we didn't do it on every site, 98% of the calls would be from sites
we didn't have in CNHeat.
We also don't do any NLOS connections, so maybe you would need it to
calculate that.
On 3/26/2020 8:48 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters.
You could make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look
cooler and burn way more fuel. The bigger problem isn't building a
flying car, it's that the driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file
flight plans.
On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no
cutting in line. Oh, and where’s my flying car?
*From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the
installs too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the
spot, nanotech installs
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially
for trees near the site. Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind.
I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really
tall skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or
something that grows 5-10 feet per in height per year. The trees
had grown to be taller than the house, and they took 2 of them
out with a chainsaw. Everything was fine when the wind was from
the north, but with a strong wind from the south, the link would
completely drop. She wouldn’t believe me the trees were bending
in the wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story roof
and plug a little amplified speaker into the tone alignment port
of the Cambium SM. You could watch the trees sway back and forth
and listen to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind
blew hard enough.
*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
that would be a discussion to have with them.
LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30
seconds is amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
900 is magic not science. I never felt there was a logical
explanation to where it worked and where it didn't. I also
believe cnHeat is basically looking for LOS, and if you asked
it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR data would have to
distinguish maples from pines from buildings.
-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5
GHz was supported. 900 was on the road map.
Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com <mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com>
>
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>
>> What frequencies does it support?
>>
>> ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>> How do they charge for it? Can you do work for the next
guy over?
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM
>&g
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters.
You could make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look
cooler and burn way more fuel. The bigger problem isn't building a
flying car, it's that the driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file
flight plans.
On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no cutting
in line. Oh, and where’s my flying car?
*From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the
installs too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot,
nanotech installs
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for
trees near the site. Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind.
I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really
tall skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or
something that grows 5-10 feet per in height per year. The trees
had grown to be taller than the house, and they took 2 of them out
with a chainsaw. Everything was fine when the wind was from the
north, but with a strong wind from the south, the link would
completely drop. She wouldn’t believe me the trees were bending
in the wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story roof
and plug a little amplified speaker into the tone alignment port
of the Cambium SM. You could watch the trees sway back and forth
and listen to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind
blew hard enough.
*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
that would be a discussion to have with them.
LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30
seconds is amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
900 is magic not science. I never felt there was a logical
explanation to where it worked and where it didn't. I also
believe cnHeat is basically looking for LOS, and if you asked
it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR data would have to
distinguish maples from pines from buildings.
-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5
GHz was supported. 900 was on the road map.
Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com <mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com>
>
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
wrote:
>>
>> What frequencies does it support?
>>
>> ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>> How do they charge for it? Can you do work for the next
guy over?
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>>> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged.
You never know if you don't ask. I know one isp in the same
boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, I can see the price being too
high. But the other part where they help identify best
locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more
coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good
too. But they're hard to keep watered.
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband
mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of
per site
>>> does not work for us. We have to have many small
sites because of
>>> hills and trees , over 90 currently. I can see if
you had a few
>>> mega sites it could make sense.
>>>
>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] *On Behalf
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters.
You could make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look
cooler and burn way more fuel. The bigger problem isn't building a
flying car, it's that the driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file
flight plans.
On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no cutting
in line. Oh, and where’s my flying car?
*From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the
installs too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot,
nanotech installs
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for
trees near the site. Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind.
I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really
tall skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or
something that grows 5-10 feet per in height per year. The trees
had grown to be taller than the house, and they took 2 of them out
with a chainsaw. Everything was fine when the wind was from the
north, but with a strong wind from the south, the link would
completely drop. She wouldn’t believe me the trees were bending
in the wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story roof
and plug a little amplified speaker into the tone alignment port
of the Cambium SM. You could watch the trees sway back and forth
and listen to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind
blew hard enough.
*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
that would be a discussion to have with them.
LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30
seconds is amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
900 is magic not science. I never felt there was a logical
explanation to where it worked and where it didn't. I also
believe cnHeat is basically looking for LOS, and if you asked
it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR data would have to
distinguish maples from pines from buildings.
-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5
GHz was supported. 900 was on the road map.
Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com <mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com>
>
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
wrote:
>>
>> What frequencies does it support?
>>
>> ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>> How do they charge for it? Can you do work for the next
guy over?
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>>> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged.
You never know if you don't ask. I know one isp in the same
boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, I can see the price being too
high. But the other part where they help identify best
locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more
coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good
too. But they're hard to keep watered.
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband
mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of
per site
>>> does not work for us. We have to have many small
sites because of
>>> hills and trees , over 90 currently. I can see if
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>>> mega sites it could make sense.
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>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] *On Behalf
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no cutting in line. Oh, and where’s my flying car? From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the installs too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot, nanotech installs On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees near the site. Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind. I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that grows 5-10 feet per in height per year. The trees had grown to be taller than the house, and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw. Everything was fine when the wind was from the north, but with a strong wind from the south, the link would completely drop. She wouldn’t believe me the trees were bending in the wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story roof and plug a little amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of the Cambium SM. You could watch the trees sway back and forth and listen to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind blew hard enough. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat that would be a discussion to have with them. LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30 seconds is amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: 900 is magic not science. I never felt there was a logical explanation to where it worked and where it didn't. I also believe cnHeat is basically looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR data would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings. -Original Message- From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Jay Weekley Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was supported. 900 was on the road map. Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: > At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5 > > Jeff Broadwick > CTIconnect > 312-205-2519 Office > 574-220-7826 Cell > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com <mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com> > >> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley > <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote: >> >> What frequencies does it support? >> >> ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> How do they charge for it? Can you do work for the next guy over? >>> *From:* Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >>> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never know if >>> you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, >>> I can see the price being too high. But the other part where they help >>> identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more >>> coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But >>> they're hard to keep watered. >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband >> <mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote: >>> >>> I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site >>> does not work for us. We have to have many small sites because of >>> hills and trees , over 90 currently. I can see if you had a few >>> mega sites it could make sense. >>> >>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com >>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> ] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >>> >>> much much more than free >>> >>> but much much less input and much much much more output >>> >>> I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and >>> applied it to our real world. >>> >>> The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site >>> generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled >>> and other jobs werent done,
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the installs too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot, nanotech installs On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees > near the site. Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind. > > > > I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall > skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that > grows 5-10 feet per in height per year. The trees had grown to be taller > than the house, and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw. Everything > was fine when the wind was from the north, but with a strong wind from the > south, the link would completely drop. She wouldn’t believe me the trees > were bending in the wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story > roof and plug a little amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of > the Cambium SM. You could watch the trees sway back and forth and listen > to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind blew hard enough. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > > > > that would be a discussion to have with them. > > LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30 seconds is > amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger > > > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > 900 is magic not science. I never felt there was a logical explanation to > where it worked and where it didn't. I also believe cnHeat is basically > looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR > data would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings. > > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of Jay Weekley > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > > Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was > supported. 900 was on the road map. > > Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: > > At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5 > > > > Jeff Broadwick > > CTIconnect > > 312-205-2519 Office > > 574-220-7826 Cell > > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > > > >> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley > wrote: > >> > >> What frequencies does it support? > >> > >> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > >>> How do they charge for it? Can you do work for the next guy over? > >>> *From:* Steve Jones > >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM > >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > >>> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never > know if you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of > hills, I can see the price being too high. But the other part where they > help identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and > more coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But > they're hard to keep watered. > >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband wrote: > >>> > >>> I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site > >>> does not work for us. We have to have many small sites because of > >>> hills and trees , over 90 currently. I can see if you had a few > >>> mega sites it could make sense. > >>> > >>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve > Jones > >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM > >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > >>> > >>> much much more than free > >>> > >>> but much much less input and much much much more output > >>> > >>> I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and > >>> applied it to our real world. > >>> > >>> The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site > >>> generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled > >>> and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself > >>> probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we > >>> missed. > >>> > >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM wrote: > >>> > >>> What does it cost? More than Radio Mobile...?
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
Good point. Ken Hohhof wrote: 900 is magic not science. I never felt there was a logical explanation to where it worked and where it didn't. I also believe cnHeat is basically looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR data would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Jay Weekley Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was supported. 900 was on the road map. Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5 Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: What frequencies does it support? ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: How do they charge for it? Can you do work for the next guy over? *From:* Steve Jones *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never know if you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, I can see the price being too high. But the other part where they help identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But they're hard to keep watered. On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband wrote: I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site does not work for us. We have to have many small sites because of hills and trees , over 90 currently. I can see if you had a few mega sites it could make sense. *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat much much more than free but much much less input and much much much more output I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and applied it to our real world. The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we missed. On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM wrote: What does it cost? More than Radio Mobile...? *From:*Steve Jones *Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:*[AFMUG] CNHeat I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time didnt grab it) there was a marginal spot we considered, this would have been bad long term. we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450 cbrs stuff your installer can walk out the door each morning with a picture and have a best location target, install survey times will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good spot, and on the probably best spot. I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see where we missed revenue options. And this is just IDENTIFY the other two components are crazy perfect too like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and its only as good as the data you put in, I think we are all familiar with that here. This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I can do on my Access points because of marginal installs, and how much we have lost in NLOS that didnt need to be -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees near the site. Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind. I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that grows 5-10 feet per in height per year. The trees had grown to be taller than the house, and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw. Everything was fine when the wind was from the north, but with a strong wind from the south, the link would completely drop. She wouldn’t believe me the trees were bending in the wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story roof and plug a little amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of the Cambium SM. You could watch the trees sway back and forth and listen to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind blew hard enough. From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat that would be a discussion to have with them. LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30 seconds is amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: 900 is magic not science. I never felt there was a logical explanation to where it worked and where it didn't. I also believe cnHeat is basically looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR data would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings. -Original Message- From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Jay Weekley Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was supported. 900 was on the road map. Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: > At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5 > > Jeff Broadwick > CTIconnect > 312-205-2519 Office > 574-220-7826 Cell > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com <mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com> > >> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley > <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote: >> >> What frequencies does it support? >> >> ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> How do they charge for it? Can you do work for the next guy over? >>> *From:* Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >>> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never know if >>> you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, >>> I can see the price being too high. But the other part where they help >>> identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more >>> coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But >>> they're hard to keep watered. >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband >> <mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote: >>> >>> I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site >>> does not work for us. We have to have many small sites because of >>> hills and trees , over 90 currently. I can see if you had a few >>> mega sites it could make sense. >>> >>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com >>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> ] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >>> >>> much much more than free >>> >>> but much much less input and much much much more output >>> >>> I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and >>> applied it to our real world. >>> >>> The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site >>> generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled >>> and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself >>> probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we >>> missed. >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM >> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: >>> >>> What does it cost? More than Radio Mobile...? >>> >>> *From:*Steve Jones >>> >>> *Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM >>> >>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> >>> *Sub
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
that would be a discussion to have with them. LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30 seconds is amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > 900 is magic not science. I never felt there was a logical explanation to > where it worked and where it didn't. I also believe cnHeat is basically > looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR > data would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings. > > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of Jay Weekley > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > > Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was > supported. 900 was on the road map. > > Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: > > At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5 > > > > Jeff Broadwick > > CTIconnect > > 312-205-2519 Office > > 574-220-7826 Cell > > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > > > >> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley > wrote: > >> > >> What frequencies does it support? > >> > >> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > >>> How do they charge for it? Can you do work for the next guy over? > >>> *From:* Steve Jones > >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM > >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > >>> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never > know if you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of > hills, I can see the price being too high. But the other part where they > help identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and > more coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But > they're hard to keep watered. > >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband wrote: > >>> > >>> I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site > >>> does not work for us. We have to have many small sites because of > >>> hills and trees , over 90 currently. I can see if you had a few > >>> mega sites it could make sense. > >>> > >>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve > Jones > >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM > >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > >>> > >>> much much more than free > >>> > >>> but much much less input and much much much more output > >>> > >>> I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and > >>> applied it to our real world. > >>> > >>> The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site > >>> generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled > >>> and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself > >>> probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we > >>> missed. > >>> > >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM wrote: > >>> > >>> What does it cost? More than Radio Mobile...? > >>> > >>> *From:*Steve Jones > >>> > >>> *Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM > >>> > >>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >>> > >>> *Subject:*[AFMUG] CNHeat > >>> > >>> I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this > >>> pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal > >>> game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to > >>> install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the > >>> CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we > >>> actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time > >>> didnt grab it) > >>> > >>> there was a marginal spot we considered, this would have been > >>> bad long term. > >>> > >>> we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to > >>> EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half > >>> of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come > >>> out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450 > >>
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
900 is magic not science. I never felt there was a logical explanation to where it worked and where it didn't. I also believe cnHeat is basically looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR data would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Jay Weekley Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was supported. 900 was on the road map. Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: > At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5 > > Jeff Broadwick > CTIconnect > 312-205-2519 Office > 574-220-7826 Cell > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > >> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: >> >> What frequencies does it support? >> >> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>> How do they charge for it? Can you do work for the next guy over? >>> *From:* Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >>> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never know if >>> you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, >>> I can see the price being too high. But the other part where they help >>> identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more >>> coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But >>> they're hard to keep watered. >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband wrote: >>> >>> I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site >>> does not work for us. We have to have many small sites because of >>> hills and trees , over 90 currently. I can see if you had a few >>> mega sites it could make sense. >>> >>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >>> >>> much much more than free >>> >>> but much much less input and much much much more output >>> >>> I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and >>> applied it to our real world. >>> >>> The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site >>> generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled >>> and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself >>> probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we >>> missed. >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM wrote: >>> >>> What does it cost? More than Radio Mobile...? >>> >>> *From:*Steve Jones >>> >>> *Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM >>> >>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> >>> *Subject:*[AFMUG] CNHeat >>> >>> I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this >>> pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal >>> game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to >>> install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the >>> CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we >>> actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time >>> didnt grab it) >>> >>> there was a marginal spot we considered, this would have been >>> bad long term. >>> >>> we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to >>> EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half >>> of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come >>> out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450 >>> cbrs stuff >>> >>> your installer can walk out the door each morning with a >>> picture and have a best location target, install survey times >>> will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good >>> spot, and on the probably best spot. >>> >>> I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. >>> If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see >>> where we missed revenue options. And this is just IDENTIFY the >>> o
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was supported. 900 was on the road map. Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5 Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: What frequencies does it support? ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: How do they charge for it? Can you do work for the next guy over? *From:* Steve Jones *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never know if you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, I can see the price being too high. But the other part where they help identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But they're hard to keep watered. On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband wrote: I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site does not work for us. We have to have many small sites because of hills and trees , over 90 currently. I can see if you had a few mega sites it could make sense. *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat much much more than free but much much less input and much much much more output I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and applied it to our real world. The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we missed. On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM wrote: What does it cost? More than Radio Mobile...? *From:*Steve Jones *Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:*[AFMUG] CNHeat I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time didnt grab it) there was a marginal spot we considered, this would have been bad long term. we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450 cbrs stuff your installer can walk out the door each morning with a picture and have a best location target, install survey times will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good spot, and on the probably best spot. I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see where we missed revenue options. And this is just IDENTIFY the other two components are crazy perfect too like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and its only as good as the data you put in, I think we are all familiar with that here. This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I can do on my Access points because of marginal installs, and how much we have lost in NLOS that didnt need to be -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- *Jay Weekley* *Cyber Broadband * -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- *Jay Weekley* *Cyber Broadband * -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5 Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: > > What frequencies does it support? > > ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >> How do they charge for it? Can you do work for the next guy over? >> *From:* Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never know if >> you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, I >> can see the price being too high. But the other part where they help >> identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more >> coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But >> they're hard to keep watered. >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband wrote: >> >>I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site >>does not work for us. We have to have many small sites because of >>hills and trees , over 90 currently. I can see if you had a few >>mega sites it could make sense. >> >>*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>*Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM >>*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >> >>much much more than free >> >>but much much less input and much much much more output >> >>I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and >>applied it to our real world. >> >>The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site >>generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled >>and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself >>probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we >>missed. >> >>On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM wrote: >> >>What does it cost? More than Radio Mobile...? >> >>*From:*Steve Jones >> >>*Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM >> >>*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >>*Subject:*[AFMUG] CNHeat >> >>I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this >>pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal >>game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to >>install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the >>CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we >>actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time >>didnt grab it) >> >>there was a marginal spot we considered, this would have been >>bad long term. >> >>we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to >>EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half >>of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come >>out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450 >>cbrs stuff >> >>your installer can walk out the door each morning with a >>picture and have a best location target, install survey times >>will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good >>spot, and on the probably best spot. >> >>I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. >>If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see >>where we missed revenue options. And this is just IDENTIFY the >>other two components are crazy perfect too >> >>like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and >>its only as good as the data you put in, I think we are all >>familiar with that here. >> >>This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I >>can do on my Access points because of marginal installs, and >>how much we have lost in NLOS that didnt need to be >> >> >> >> >>-- AF mailing list >>AF@af.afmug.com >>http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >>-- AF mailing list >>AF@af.afmug.com >>http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >>-- AF mailing list >>AF@af.afmug.com >>http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> > > -- > *Jay Weekley* > *Cyber Broadband > * > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
What frequencies does it support? ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: How do they charge for it? Can you do work for the next guy over? *From:* Steve Jones *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never know if you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, I can see the price being too high. But the other part where they help identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But they're hard to keep watered. On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband wrote: I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site does not work for us. We have to have many small sites because of hills and trees , over 90 currently. I can see if you had a few mega sites it could make sense. *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat much much more than free but much much less input and much much much more output I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and applied it to our real world. The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we missed. On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM wrote: What does it cost? More than Radio Mobile...? *From:*Steve Jones *Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:*[AFMUG] CNHeat I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time didnt grab it) there was a marginal spot we considered, this would have been bad long term. we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450 cbrs stuff your installer can walk out the door each morning with a picture and have a best location target, install survey times will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good spot, and on the probably best spot. I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see where we missed revenue options. And this is just IDENTIFY the other two components are crazy perfect too like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and its only as good as the data you put in, I think we are all familiar with that here. This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I can do on my Access points because of marginal installs, and how much we have lost in NLOS that didnt need to be -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- *Jay Weekley* *Cyber Broadband * -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
How do they charge for it? Can you do work for the next guy over? From: Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never know if you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, I can see the price being too high. But the other part where they help identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But they're hard to keep watered. On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband wrote: I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site does not work for us. We have to have many small sites because of hills and trees , over 90 currently. I can see if you had a few mega sites it could make sense. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat much much more than free but much much less input and much much much more output I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and applied it to our real world. The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we missed. On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM wrote: What does it cost? More than Radio Mobile...? From: Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] CNHeat I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time didnt grab it) there was a marginal spot we considered, this would have been bad long term. we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450 cbrs stuff your installer can walk out the door each morning with a picture and have a best location target, install survey times will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good spot, and on the probably best spot. I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see where we missed revenue options. And this is just IDENTIFY the other two components are crazy perfect too like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and its only as good as the data you put in, I think we are all familiar with that here. This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I can do on my Access points because of marginal installs, and how much we have lost in NLOS that didnt need to be -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
Pay per successful install would be good. Win-win. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 5:20 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never know if you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, I can see the price being too high. But the other part where they help identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But they're hard to keep watered. On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote: I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site does not work for us. We have to have many small sites because of hills and trees , over 90 currently. I can see if you had a few mega sites it could make sense. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat much much more than free but much much less input and much much much more output I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and applied it to our real world. The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we missed. On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: What does it cost? More than Radio Mobile...? From: Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] CNHeat I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time didnt grab it) there was a marginal spot we considered, this would have been bad long term. we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450 cbrs stuff your installer can walk out the door each morning with a picture and have a best location target, install survey times will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good spot, and on the probably best spot. I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see where we missed revenue options. And this is just IDENTIFY the other two components are crazy perfect too like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and its only as good as the data you put in, I think we are all familiar with that here. This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I can do on my Access points because of marginal installs, and how much we have lost in NLOS that didnt need to be _ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never know if you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, I can see the price being too high. But the other part where they help identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But they're hard to keep watered. On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband wrote: > I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site does not > work for us. We have to have many small sites because of hills and trees , > over 90 currently. I can see if you had a few mega sites it could make > sense. > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > > > > much much more than free > > but much much less input and much much much more output > > I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and applied > it to our real world. > > The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site generates > zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled and other jobs > werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself probably scales to the > price over the course of the customer we missed. > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM wrote: > > What does it cost? More than Radio Mobile...? > > > > *From:* Steve Jones > > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* [AFMUG] CNHeat > > > > I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this pasky WISP > stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal game changer, we took a > no line of site this morning to install. we would have walked away, btu > happened to have the CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal > (we actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time didnt > grab it) > > > > there was a marginal spot we considered, this would have been bad long > term. > > > > we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to EPMp the last > few months, this would have been a godsend, half of them will need to be > revisited in spring when leaves come out, but we were pressing to clear 320 > to make room for 450 cbrs stuff > > > > your installer can walk out the door each morning with a picture and have > a best location target, install survey times will be minimized and youll > know youre well beyond first good spot, and on the probably best spot. > > > > I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. If I had the > time id go look at the last years NLOS and see where we missed revenue > options. And this is just IDENTIFY the other two components are crazy > perfect too > > > > like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and its only as > good as the data you put in, I think we are all familiar with that here. > > > > This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I can do on my > Access points because of marginal installs, and how much we have lost in > NLOS that didnt need to be > -- > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site does not work for us. We have to have many small sites because of hills and trees , over 90 currently. I can see if you had a few mega sites it could make sense. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat much much more than free but much much less input and much much much more output I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and applied it to our real world. The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we missed. On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: What does it cost? More than Radio Mobile...? From: Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] CNHeat I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time didnt grab it) there was a marginal spot we considered, this would have been bad long term. we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450 cbrs stuff your installer can walk out the door each morning with a picture and have a best location target, install survey times will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good spot, and on the probably best spot. I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see where we missed revenue options. And this is just IDENTIFY the other two components are crazy perfect too like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and its only as good as the data you put in, I think we are all familiar with that here. This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I can do on my Access points because of marginal installs, and how much we have lost in NLOS that didnt need to be _ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
Our LIDAR data is fairly recent, it is dependent on that... see how I talk about LIDAR like a champ now because of that previous thread. He was able to tell me when it was obtained, and apparently our area was easy to get, the CNHeat guy knows way more about all that than I do. Showing this to the boss and talking about it from the owners perspective, he sees it as a valuable investment for a multitude of resent up to presales. thats a pretty tall glass to have filled that quickly On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:26 PM wrote: > I hope this proves to be true for all the data points it discovers. I > don’t doubt Steve’s experience, but it is one data point so far. > If this works well it will be a hugely valuable tool. > > *From:* Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:21 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat > > > In your land of deserts and plains overlooked by mountains you might not > need to pay for CnHeat. > > In lands where trees grow CnHeat is free. Paid for by the new customers > and time saved. > > It's not a statistical Langley-Rice prediction like Radio Mobile. > Obstructions are treated like an impenetrable wall, but they have 3D models > of every damn tree and building. Like Steve says, it can light up the > exact spot on the house where the SM needs to go to get line of sight. > > -Adam > > > > > On 3/24/2020 1:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > What does it cost? More than Radio Mobile...? > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* [AFMUG] CNHeat > > I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this pasky WISP > stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal game changer, we took a > no line of site this morning to install. we would have walked away, btu > happened to have the CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal > (we actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time didnt > grab it) > > there was a marginal spot we considered, this would have been bad long > term. > > we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to EPMp the last > few months, this would have been a godsend, half of them will need to be > revisited in spring when leaves come out, but we were pressing to clear 320 > to make room for 450 cbrs stuff > > your installer can walk out the door each morning with a picture and have > a best location target, install survey times will be minimized and youll > know youre well beyond first good spot, and on the probably best spot. > > I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. If I had the > time id go look at the last years NLOS and see where we missed revenue > options. And this is just IDENTIFY the other two components are crazy > perfect too > > like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and its only as > good as the data you put in, I think we are all familiar with that here. > > This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I can do on my > Access points because of marginal installs, and how much we have lost in > NLOS that didnt need to be > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
What data are they using to model the trees? Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 1:22 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat In your land of deserts and plains overlooked by mountains you might not need to pay for CnHeat. In lands where trees grow CnHeat is free. Paid for by the new customers and time saved. It's not a statistical Langley-Rice prediction like Radio Mobile. Obstructions are treated like an impenetrable wall, but they have 3D models of every damn tree and building. Like Steve says, it can light up the exact spot on the house where the SM needs to go to get line of sight. -Adam On 3/24/2020 1:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: What does it cost? More than Radio Mobile...? From: Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] CNHeat I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time didnt grab it) there was a marginal spot we considered, this would have been bad long term. we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450 cbrs stuff your installer can walk out the door each morning with a picture and have a best location target, install survey times will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good spot, and on the probably best spot. I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see where we missed revenue options. And this is just IDENTIFY the other two components are crazy perfect too like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and its only as good as the data you put in, I think we are all familiar with that here. This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I can do on my Access points because of marginal installs, and how much we have lost in NLOS that didnt need to be _ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
I hope this proves to be true for all the data points it discovers. I don’t doubt Steve’s experience, but it is one data point so far. If this works well it will be a hugely valuable tool. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:21 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat In your land of deserts and plains overlooked by mountains you might not need to pay for CnHeat. In lands where trees grow CnHeat is free. Paid for by the new customers and time saved. It's not a statistical Langley-Rice prediction like Radio Mobile. Obstructions are treated like an impenetrable wall, but they have 3D models of every damn tree and building. Like Steve says, it can light up the exact spot on the house where the SM needs to go to get line of sight. -Adam On 3/24/2020 1:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: What does it cost? More than Radio Mobile...? From: Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] CNHeat I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time didnt grab it) there was a marginal spot we considered, this would have been bad long term. we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450 cbrs stuff your installer can walk out the door each morning with a picture and have a best location target, install survey times will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good spot, and on the probably best spot. I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see where we missed revenue options. And this is just IDENTIFY the other two components are crazy perfect too like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and its only as good as the data you put in, I think we are all familiar with that here. This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I can do on my Access points because of marginal installs, and how much we have lost in NLOS that didnt need to be -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
In your land of deserts and plains overlooked by mountains you might not need to pay for CnHeat. In lands where trees grow CnHeat is free. Paid for by the new customers and time saved. It's not a statistical Langley-Rice prediction like Radio Mobile. Obstructions are treated like an impenetrable wall, but they have 3D models of every damn tree and building. Like Steve says, it can light up the exact spot on the house where the SM needs to go to get line of sight. -Adam On 3/24/2020 1:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: What does it cost? More than Radio Mobile...? *From:* Steve Jones *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* [AFMUG] CNHeat I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time didnt grab it) there was a marginal spot we considered, this would have been bad long term. we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450 cbrs stuff your installer can walk out the door each morning with a picture and have a best location target, install survey times will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good spot, and on the probably best spot. I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see where we missed revenue options. And this is just IDENTIFY the other two components are crazy perfect too like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and its only as good as the data you put in, I think we are all familiar with that here. This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I can do on my Access points because of marginal installs, and how much we have lost in NLOS that didnt need to be -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
much much more than free but much much less input and much much much more output I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and applied it to our real world. The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we missed. On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM wrote: > What does it cost? More than Radio Mobile...? > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* [AFMUG] CNHeat > > I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this pasky WISP > stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal game changer, we took a > no line of site this morning to install. we would have walked away, btu > happened to have the CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal > (we actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time didnt > grab it) > > there was a marginal spot we considered, this would have been bad long > term. > > we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to EPMp the last > few months, this would have been a godsend, half of them will need to be > revisited in spring when leaves come out, but we were pressing to clear 320 > to make room for 450 cbrs stuff > > your installer can walk out the door each morning with a picture and have > a best location target, install survey times will be minimized and youll > know youre well beyond first good spot, and on the probably best spot. > > I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. If I had the > time id go look at the last years NLOS and see where we missed revenue > options. And this is just IDENTIFY the other two components are crazy > perfect too > > like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and its only as > good as the data you put in, I think we are all familiar with that here. > > This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I can do on my > Access points because of marginal installs, and how much we have lost in > NLOS that didnt need to be > > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
What does it cost? More than Radio Mobile...? From: Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] CNHeat I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time didnt grab it) there was a marginal spot we considered, this would have been bad long term. we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450 cbrs stuff your installer can walk out the door each morning with a picture and have a best location target, install survey times will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good spot, and on the probably best spot. I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see where we missed revenue options. And this is just IDENTIFY the other two components are crazy perfect too like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and its only as good as the data you put in, I think we are all familiar with that here. This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I can do on my Access points because of marginal installs, and how much we have lost in NLOS that didnt need to be -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] CNHeat
I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time didnt grab it) there was a marginal spot we considered, this would have been bad long term. we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450 cbrs stuff your installer can walk out the door each morning with a picture and have a best location target, install survey times will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good spot, and on the probably best spot. I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see where we missed revenue options. And this is just IDENTIFY the other two components are crazy perfect too like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and its only as good as the data you put in, I think we are all familiar with that here. This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I can do on my Access points because of marginal installs, and how much we have lost in NLOS that didnt need to be -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] cnHeat Promotion
Curious if anyone knows where they get their data from? Based on their vague map, I'd say public LIDAR sources which can be pretty old these days. On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 11:58 AM wrote: > Would this be the > > 450H > > 450L > > 450C > > Or the 450R ? > > *From:* Ray Savich via AF > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 5, 2019 8:44 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Ray Savich > *Subject:* [AFMUG] cnHeat Promotion > > > For the first 100 WISPs in the USA: Purchase four 450m, 450i AP, or ePMP > 3000 now through December 20 and receive a 1year subscription to cnHeat > LOCATE and 500 cnHeat IDENTIFY addresses for free. > https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnHeat/cnHeat-IDENTIFY-Promotion-Free-One-Year-Subscription-Free-500/td-p/110476 > > > > > > > > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] cnHeat Promotion
Would this be the 450H 450L 450C Or the 450R ? From: Ray Savich via AF Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 8:44 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Ray Savich Subject: [AFMUG] cnHeat Promotion For the first 100 WISPs in the USA: Purchase four 450m, 450i AP, or ePMP 3000 now through December 20 and receive a 1year subscription to cnHeat LOCATE and 500 cnHeat IDENTIFY addresses for free. https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnHeat/cnHeat-IDENTIFY-Promotion-Free-One-Year-Subscription-Free-500/td-p/110476 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] cnHeat Promotion
1 year subscription for how many APs? On 11/5/19 2:44 PM, Ray Savich via AF wrote: For the first 100 WISPs in the USA: Purchase four 450m, 450i AP, or ePMP 3000 now through December 20 and receive a 1year subscription to cnHeat LOCATE and 500 cnHeat IDENTIFY addresses for free. https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnHeat/cnHeat-IDENTIFY-Promotion-Free-One-Year-Subscription-Free-500/td-p/110476 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] cnHeat Promotion
For the first 100 WISPs in the USA: Purchase four 450m, 450i AP, or ePMP 3000 now through December 20 and receive a 1year subscription to cnHeat LOCATE and 500 cnHeat IDENTIFY addresses for free. https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnHeat/cnHeat-IDENTIFY-Promotion-Free-One-Year-Subscription-Free-500/td-p/110476 [cid:image001.jpg@01D593DF.2D6743B0] -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
