subject:"\[AFMUG\] OT Hope\?"

We have an oddly high number of undocumented living here, not sure where
theyre working. The house on the corner by me had enforcement a few years
ago, they pulled 27 mattresses out of the 2 bedroom house, they said people
were even sleeping in the crawl space. In the ambulance days we got called
for a guy who had passed away in a 6 unit complex, police said when they
got there there was a flood of people running out the back, mattresses
everywhere. Apparently the landlord had an "arrangement" we have a weekly
rental motel here, 5 to 6 to a room. And this is a small town in central
illinois.

How do those poor people isolate if ones infected (contrary to a lot of my
sides presentation of these people, they take care of one another more than
we do at times). nobody can offer any temporary housing help, ICE will show
up. They cant go to the hospital, ICE will show up. One staff infected
effectively means a measurable percentage is infected.

Re-opening wont have this problem, since they wont be able to come back, so
infection management, testing, and tracing, will be a whole lot easier. Of
course finding staff will be a bear, whose going to give up an extra 600 on
top of their unemployment check to go do crummy work under the government
thumb. with as cold as it is in those facilities, SCBA is a real option,
assuming there is enough on the market to support one plant, let alone the
industry. You have to wonder though with the industry being so impacted,
how much of that meat will show up in the tracings as a vector

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 5:45 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> They need to address spread between workers inside the plants (on the line
> and in common areas), but I also doubt the workers are going home to
> spacious single family dwellings.  I’d guess they live in somewhat crowded
> conditions, and have family and neighbors who also work at the plant.  So
> it’s probably spreading in and out of the plant.  Even if they were testing
> all the workers, where would the infected ones go to isolate?  All probably
> solvable problems, but is anyone actually solving them?
>
>
>
> I saw something about India, that opening businesses back up could
> actually help because people are more crowded at home than at work.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:00 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
>
>
> I have in smaller ones. I can tell you that its one of the few times you
> and I will agree on ICE activity, they need to stay the hell out of this. I
> would put money down that tracing is going to show that this got that bad
> in this industry because there is a ton of undocumented workforce, who was
> too scared to seek medical treatment, had nowhere to isolate and
> realistically had nothing to fall back on if they didnt push on through the
> sickness. ICE needed to be completely blocked from almost all COVID related
> enforcement action inside our borders.
>
>
>
> The facilities can be sanitized quickly, its in the nature of the
> facilities to do so. Proximity is probably one of the biggest issues
> in managing the risk, but its still manageable. The biggest issue is
> clearing the workforce to come back, second biggest is actually getting
> them to come back knowing ICE is waiting. i think looking at UV options in
> the facilities is definitely something that needs to be done, but I dont
> know what it does to the meat proteins
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 4:48 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> You and I both know the conditions are very different at those
> locationshave you ever been inside a meat packing place...I have
> installing instrumentation gearI have been in high tech manufacturing
> plants as well...not the same.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 3:17 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> so factories being forced by government to make ventilators, tests and
> masks good, food bad. Check
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:29 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> What a stupid move...
>
> Send him and his family to work in there.
>
>
> https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2020/04/29/trump-order-on-meat-plants-shocks-indiana-workers/3042245001/
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 9:34 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> The last couple of weeks I have noticed a "weekend effect" where the
> quantity drops on Sunday, then picks up again on Monday, then more on
> Tuesday.
>
> Let's see what happens today.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Ken Hohhof

They need to address spread between workers inside the plants (on the line and 
in common areas), but I also doubt the workers are going home to spacious 
single family dwellings.  I’d guess they live in somewhat crowded conditions, 
and have family and neighbors who also work at the plant.  So it’s probably 
spreading in and out of the plant.  Even if they were testing all the workers, 
where would the infected ones go to isolate?  All probably solvable problems, 
but is anyone actually solving them?

 

I saw something about India, that opening businesses back up could actually 
help because people are more crowded at home than at work.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

 

I have in smaller ones. I can tell you that its one of the few times you and I 
will agree on ICE activity, they need to stay the hell out of this. I would put 
money down that tracing is going to show that this got that bad in this 
industry because there is a ton of undocumented workforce, who was too scared 
to seek medical treatment, had nowhere to isolate and realistically had nothing 
to fall back on if they didnt push on through the sickness. ICE needed to be 
completely blocked from almost all COVID related enforcement action inside our 
borders.

 

The facilities can be sanitized quickly, its in the nature of the facilities to 
do so. Proximity is probably one of the biggest issues in managing the risk, 
but its still manageable. The biggest issue is clearing the workforce to come 
back, second biggest is actually getting them to come back knowing ICE is 
waiting. i think looking at UV options in the facilities is definitely 
something that needs to be done, but I dont know what it does to the meat 
proteins 

 

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 4:48 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

You and I both know the conditions are very different at those 
locationshave you ever been inside a meat packing place...I have installing 
instrumentation gearI have been in high tech manufacturing plants as 
well...not the same.

 

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 3:17 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

so factories being forced by government to make ventilators, tests and masks 
good, food bad. Check

 

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:29 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

What a stupid move...

Send him and his family to work in there.

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2020/04/29/trump-order-on-meat-plants-shocks-indiana-workers/3042245001/

 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 9:34 AM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The last couple of weeks I have noticed a "weekend effect" where the quantity 
drops on Sunday, then picks up again on Monday, then more on Tuesday.

Let's see what happens today.

 

bp

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

I have in smaller ones. I can tell you that its one of the few times you
and I will agree on ICE activity, they need to stay the hell out of this. I
would put money down that tracing is going to show that this got that bad
in this industry because there is a ton of undocumented workforce, who was
too scared to seek medical treatment, had nowhere to isolate and
realistically had nothing to fall back on if they didnt push on through the
sickness. ICE needed to be completely blocked from almost all COVID related
enforcement action inside our borders.

The facilities can be sanitized quickly, its in the nature of the
facilities to do so. Proximity is probably one of the biggest issues
in managing the risk, but its still manageable. The biggest issue is
clearing the workforce to come back, second biggest is actually getting
them to come back knowing ICE is waiting. i think looking at UV options in
the facilities is definitely something that needs to be done, but I dont
know what it does to the meat proteins

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 4:48 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> You and I both know the conditions are very different at those
> locationshave you ever been inside a meat packing place...I have
> installing instrumentation gearI have been in high tech manufacturing
> plants as well...not the same.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 3:17 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> so factories being forced by government to make ventilators, tests and
>> masks good, food bad. Check
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:29 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What a stupid move...
>>> Send him and his family to work in there.
>>>
>>> https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2020/04/29/trump-order-on-meat-plants-shocks-indiana-workers/3042245001/
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 9:34 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
 The last couple of weeks I have noticed a "weekend effect" where the
 quantity drops on Sunday, then picks up again on Monday, then more on
 Tuesday.

 Let's see what happens today.

 bp

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Jaime Solorza

You and I both know the conditions are very different at those
locationshave you ever been inside a meat packing place...I have
installing instrumentation gearI have been in high tech manufacturing
plants as well...not the same.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 3:17 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> so factories being forced by government to make ventilators, tests and
> masks good, food bad. Check
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:29 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> What a stupid move...
>> Send him and his family to work in there.
>>
>> https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2020/04/29/trump-order-on-meat-plants-shocks-indiana-workers/3042245001/
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 9:34 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> The last couple of weeks I have noticed a "weekend effect" where the
>>> quantity drops on Sunday, then picks up again on Monday, then more on
>>> Tuesday.
>>>
>>> Let's see what happens today.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

so factories being forced by government to make ventilators, tests and
masks good, food bad. Check

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:29 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> What a stupid move...
> Send him and his family to work in there.
>
> https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2020/04/29/trump-order-on-meat-plants-shocks-indiana-workers/3042245001/
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 9:34 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> The last couple of weeks I have noticed a "weekend effect" where the
>> quantity drops on Sunday, then picks up again on Monday, then more on
>> Tuesday.
>>
>> Let's see what happens today.
>>
>>
>> bp
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2020-04-29 Thread Jaime Solorza

What a stupid move...
Send him and his family to work in there.
https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2020/04/29/trump-order-on-meat-plants-shocks-indiana-workers/3042245001/

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 9:34 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> The last couple of weeks I have noticed a "weekend effect" where the
> quantity drops on Sunday, then picks up again on Monday, then more on
> Tuesday.
>
> Let's see what happens today.
>
>
> bp
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

And that is the type of data consumption and analysis that creates fodder for 
the tin foil hat crowd.  Just like the reporters that said Bloomberg could have 
given us all $1M...

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

Cars are more dangerous in 2020 because there are more annual deaths than in 
1960. since only the number matters. We dont need seatbelts or airbags because 
obviously they are making cars more dangerous. Safety glass and crumple zones 
are killing people

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:21 PM  wrote:

  The only comparison is the number.  Number killed in the conflict.  Number 
killed by the virus.  Number killed by Jim Jones.  
  If the number is big enough people care.  If the deaths happen is a short 
amount of time people care more.  
  It was just a milepost number.  Hopefully we don’t get to Civil War numbers.  
Or holocaust numbers.  

  Not sure how you can use a factoid like that as fear mongering.  It is just 
an idle curiosity.  It is not an insignificant number of deaths.  
  People seemed to be much more afraid of killer bees.

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:14 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

  " 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam Era 
(Aug 5, 1964 – May 7, 1975). 2 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the war 
(Aug 5, 1964 – March 28, 1973). 3. 2,709,918 Americans served in Vietnam , this 
number represents 9.7% of their generation" 

  http://www.uswardogs.org/vietnam-statistics/ 

   58,202 deaths

  Now. You actually have the numbers to compare
  2,709,918 over 9 years

  58,202 of those 2,709,918 died over those 9 years

  You see where this is going?

  now extrapolate over 9 year, noting that all experts say kungflu is in all 
probability going to be moot after the 3rd season based on standard viral 
activity.

  We will go with 100k deaths this season to keep the fear mongering strong. 
Next season will be 50k, third season 25k, negligible on following seasons.

  so 175k deaths out of 330,000,000 pesrons (we wont even address birth rates 
and how many more people over 9 years that is)

  for reference, assuming 330 million went over with the same outcomes, we 
would have to see 7,087,542.8 china-virus deaths to be an equitable comparison

  So, basically comparing the rona to vietnam tells us that rona isnt even a 
rednecks piss in the ocean comparatively 

  The fear mongering fails when put up against the real world. So when 7 
million US citizens die from kungflu, ill take that comparison as having any 
merit beyond an attempt to startle the sheep

  On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:57 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some kind of perspective on it. 
The observation I had was that Vietnam killed about 241 people per month (on 
average) vs the CV19 killing more than 100 times that. Comparing to flu is 
semi-relevant as it is also a virus, except that we know how to make vaccines 
in semi-anticipation of it, and it is considerably less deadly either way. 

If you can't measure it, you don't know what you have.

bp

On 4/29/2020 9:41 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

  The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or 
more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They 
specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point with people who are 
touchy about the Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare auto 
deaths with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have anything to do 
with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.  

  On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones  
wrote:

Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear 
2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples. 
look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was 
effective is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.
Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more 
than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one 
another then came home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that 
actually took place.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM  wrote:

  I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000 
people will get flu.  
  That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with 
it.  Mostly old folks.

  But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in 
addition to the regular flu.  
  Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.  

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

  I don't think those

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

as a percentage of the gyana population, he kilt the shit out of them

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:35 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> I didn't know Jim Jones got that many people.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/29/2020 10:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> The only comparison is the number.  Number killed in the conflict.  Number
> killed by the virus.  Number killed by Jim Jones.
> If the number is big enough people care.  If the deaths happen is a short
> amount of time people care more.
> It was just a milepost number.  Hopefully we don’t get to Civil War
> numbers.  Or holocaust numbers.
>
> Not sure how you can use a factoid like that as fear mongering.  It is
> just an idle curiosity.  It is not an insignificant number of deaths.
> People seemed to be much more afraid of killer bees.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:14 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
> " 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the *Vietnam*
> Era (Aug 5, 1964 – May 7, 1975). 2 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during
> the war (Aug 5, 1964 – March 28, 1973). 3. 2,709,918 Americans served in
> *Vietnam* , this number represents 9.7% of their generation"
>
> http://www.uswardogs.org/vietnam-statistics/
>
>  58,202 deaths
>
> Now. You actually have the numbers to compare
> 2,709,918 over 9 years
>
> 58,202 of those 2,709,918 died over those 9 years
>
> You see where this is going?
>
> now extrapolate over 9 year, noting that all experts say kungflu is in
> all probability going to be moot after the 3rd season based on standard
> viral activity.
>
> We will go with 100k deaths this season to keep the fear mongering strong.
> Next season will be 50k, third season 25k, negligible on following seasons.
>
> so 175k deaths out of 330,000,000 pesrons (we wont even address birth
> rates and how many more people over 9 years that is)
>
> for reference, assuming 330 million went over with the same outcomes, we
> would have to see 7,087,542.8 china-virus deaths to be an equitable
> comparison
>
> So, basically comparing the rona to vietnam tells us that rona isnt even
> a rednecks piss in the ocean comparatively
>
>
> The fear mongering fails when put up against the real world. So when 7
> million US citizens die from kungflu, ill take that comparison as having
> any merit beyond an attempt to startle the sheep
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:57 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some kind of perspective on
>> it. The observation I had was that Vietnam killed about 241 people per
>> month (on average) vs the CV19 killing more than 100 times that. Comparing
>> to flu is semi-relevant as it is also a virus, except that we know how to
>> make vaccines in semi-anticipation of it, and it is considerably less
>> deadly either way.
>>
>> If you can't measure it, you don't know what you have.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/29/2020 9:41 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>
>> The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or
>> more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They
>> specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point with people who
>> are touchy about the Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare
>> auto deaths with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have
>> anything to do with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear
>>> 2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples.
>>> look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was
>>> effective is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.
>>> Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more
>>> than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one
>>> another then came home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that
>>> actually took place.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000
>>>> people will get flu.
>>>> That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with
>>>> it.  Mostly old folks.
>>>>
>>>> But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in
>>>> addition to the regular flu.
>>>&

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

Almost 100% of them...

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:34 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

I didn't know Jim Jones got that many people.

bp

On 4/29/2020 10:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  The only comparison is the number.  Number killed in the conflict.  Number 
killed by the virus.  Number killed by Jim Jones.  
  If the number is big enough people care.  If the deaths happen is a short 
amount of time people care more.  
  It was just a milepost number.  Hopefully we don’t get to Civil War numbers.  
Or holocaust numbers.  

  Not sure how you can use a factoid like that as fear mongering.  It is just 
an idle curiosity.  It is not an insignificant number of deaths.  
  People seemed to be much more afraid of killer bees.

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:14 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

  " 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam Era 
(Aug 5, 1964 – May 7, 1975). 2 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the war 
(Aug 5, 1964 – March 28, 1973). 3. 2,709,918 Americans served in Vietnam , this 
number represents 9.7% of their generation" 

  http://www.uswardogs.org/vietnam-statistics/ 

   58,202 deaths

  Now. You actually have the numbers to compare
  2,709,918 over 9 years

  58,202 of those 2,709,918 died over those 9 years

  You see where this is going?

  now extrapolate over 9 year, noting that all experts say kungflu is in all 
probability going to be moot after the 3rd season based on standard viral 
activity.

  We will go with 100k deaths this season to keep the fear mongering strong. 
Next season will be 50k, third season 25k, negligible on following seasons.

  so 175k deaths out of 330,000,000 pesrons (we wont even address birth rates 
and how many more people over 9 years that is)

  for reference, assuming 330 million went over with the same outcomes, we 
would have to see 7,087,542.8 china-virus deaths to be an equitable comparison

  So, basically comparing the rona to vietnam tells us that rona isnt even a 
rednecks piss in the ocean comparatively 

  The fear mongering fails when put up against the real world. So when 7 
million US citizens die from kungflu, ill take that comparison as having any 
merit beyond an attempt to startle the sheep

  On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:57 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some kind of perspective on it. 
The observation I had was that Vietnam killed about 241 people per month (on 
average) vs the CV19 killing more than 100 times that. Comparing to flu is 
semi-relevant as it is also a virus, except that we know how to make vaccines 
in semi-anticipation of it, and it is considerably less deadly either way. 

If you can't measure it, you don't know what you have.

bp

On 4/29/2020 9:41 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

  The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or 
more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They 
specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point with people who are 
touchy about the Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare auto 
deaths with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have anything to do 
with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.  

  On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones  
wrote:

Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear 
2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples. 
look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was 
effective is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.
Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more 
than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one 
another then came home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that 
actually took place.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM  wrote:

  I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000 
people will get flu.  
  That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with 
it.  Mostly old folks.

  But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in 
addition to the regular flu.  
  Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.  

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

  I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 
66,000 died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk 
around and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.

  On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum  
wrote:

Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many 
automobile deaths, or flu deaths, or hea

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
I didn't know Jim Jones got that many people.

bp



On 4/29/2020 10:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  The only comparison is the number.  Number killed in the
conflict.  Number killed by the virus.  Number killed by Jim
Jones.  
  If the number is big enough people care.  If the deaths
happen is a short amount of time people care more.  
  It was just a milepost number.  Hopefully we don’t get to
Civil War numbers.  Or holocaust numbers.  
   
  Not sure how you can use a factoid like that as fear
mongering.  It is just an idle curiosity.  It is not an
insignificant number of deaths.  
  People seemed to be much more afraid of killer bees.
  

   
  
From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
  

 
  
  
" 9,087,000 military personnel
served on active duty during the Vietnam Era (Aug 5, 1964 – May 7,
1975). 2 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the
war (Aug 5, 1964 – March 28, 1973). 3. 2,709,918
Americans served in Vietnam , this number represents 9.7%
of their generation"
  

  http://www.uswardogs.org/vietnam-statistics/ 
   
   58,202 deaths

  

  Now. You actually have the numbers to
  compare
  2,709,918 over 9 years
  

  58,202 of those 2,709,918 died over
  those 9 years
  

  You see where this is going?
  

  now
extrapolate over 9 year, noting that all experts say
  kungflu is in all
probability going to be moot after the 3rd season
based on standard viral activity.
  
  
  We will
go with 100k deaths this season to keep the fear
mongering strong. Next season will be 50k, third
season 25k, negligible on following seasons.
  
  
  so 175k
deaths out of 330,000,000 pesrons (we wont even
address birth rates and how many more people over 9
years that is)
  
  
  for
reference, assuming 330 million went over with the
same outcomes, we would have to see 7,087,542.8
china-virus deaths to be an equitable comparison
  
  
  So,
basically comparing the rona to vietnam tells us
that rona isnt
even a rednecks piss in the ocean comparatively 
  
  
  
  
  The fear
mongering fails when put up against the real world.
So when 7 million US citizens die from kungflu, ill
take that comparison as having any merit beyond an
attempt to startle the sheep
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

 

  On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at
11:57 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
wrote:
  
  

  My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some
kind of perspective on it. The observation I had was
that Vietnam killed about 241 people per month (on
average) vs the CV19 killing more than 100 times
that. Comparing to flu is semi-relevant as it is
also a virus, except that we know how to make
vaccines in semi-anticipation of it, and it is
considerably less deadly either way. 
  
  If you can't measure it, you don't know what you
have.
   
  bp



  On 4/29/2020 9:41 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
  
  
The point was that there are lots of
  things that cause as many deaths or more, but we
  aren't comparing them to people k

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

that was fear mongering, btw, to drive my agenda. I dont like seatbelts.
(that is a lie, i like seatbelts, they do save lives)



On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:24 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Cars are more dangerous in 2020 because there are more annual deaths than
> in 1960. since only the number matters. We dont need seatbelts or airbags
> because obviously they are making cars more dangerous. Safety glass and
> crumple zones are killing people
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:21 PM  wrote:
>
>> The only comparison is the number.  Number killed in the conflict.
>> Number killed by the virus.  Number killed by Jim Jones.
>> If the number is big enough people care.  If the deaths happen is a short
>> amount of time people care more.
>> It was just a milepost number.  Hopefully we don’t get to Civil War
>> numbers.  Or holocaust numbers.
>>
>> Not sure how you can use a factoid like that as fear mongering.  It is
>> just an idle curiosity.  It is not an insignificant number of deaths.
>> People seemed to be much more afraid of killer bees.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:14 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>
>> " 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the *Vietnam*
>> Era (Aug 5, 1964 – May 7, 1975). 2 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during
>> the war (Aug 5, 1964 – March 28, 1973). 3. 2,709,918 Americans served in
>> *Vietnam* , this number represents 9.7% of their generation"
>>
>> http://www.uswardogs.org/vietnam-statistics/
>>
>>  58,202 deaths
>>
>> Now. You actually have the numbers to compare
>> 2,709,918 over 9 years
>>
>> 58,202 of those 2,709,918 died over those 9 years
>>
>> You see where this is going?
>>
>> now extrapolate over 9 year, noting that all experts say kungflu is in
>> all probability going to be moot after the 3rd season based on standard
>> viral activity.
>>
>> We will go with 100k deaths this season to keep the fear mongering
>> strong. Next season will be 50k, third season 25k, negligible on following
>> seasons.
>>
>> so 175k deaths out of 330,000,000 pesrons (we wont even address birth
>> rates and how many more people over 9 years that is)
>>
>> for reference, assuming 330 million went over with the same outcomes, we
>> would have to see 7,087,542.8 china-virus deaths to be an equitable
>> comparison
>>
>> So, basically comparing the rona to vietnam tells us that rona isnt even
>> a rednecks piss in the ocean comparatively
>>
>>
>> The fear mongering fails when put up against the real world. So when 7
>> million US citizens die from kungflu, ill take that comparison as having
>> any merit beyond an attempt to startle the sheep
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:57 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some kind of perspective on
>>> it. The observation I had was that Vietnam killed about 241 people per
>>> month (on average) vs the CV19 killing more than 100 times that. Comparing
>>> to flu is semi-relevant as it is also a virus, except that we know how to
>>> make vaccines in semi-anticipation of it, and it is considerably less
>>> deadly either way.
>>>
>>> If you can't measure it, you don't know what you have.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/29/2020 9:41 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>>
>>> The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or
>>> more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They
>>> specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point with people who
>>> are touchy about the Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare
>>> auto deaths with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have
>>> anything to do with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear
>>>> 2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples.
>>>> look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was
>>>> effective is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.
>>>> Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more
>>>> than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

Cars are more dangerous in 2020 because there are more annual deaths than
in 1960. since only the number matters. We dont need seatbelts or airbags
because obviously they are making cars more dangerous. Safety glass and
crumple zones are killing people

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:21 PM  wrote:

> The only comparison is the number.  Number killed in the conflict.  Number
> killed by the virus.  Number killed by Jim Jones.
> If the number is big enough people care.  If the deaths happen is a short
> amount of time people care more.
> It was just a milepost number.  Hopefully we don’t get to Civil War
> numbers.  Or holocaust numbers.
>
> Not sure how you can use a factoid like that as fear mongering.  It is
> just an idle curiosity.  It is not an insignificant number of deaths.
> People seemed to be much more afraid of killer bees.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:14 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
> " 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the *Vietnam*
> Era (Aug 5, 1964 – May 7, 1975). 2 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during
> the war (Aug 5, 1964 – March 28, 1973). 3. 2,709,918 Americans served in
> *Vietnam* , this number represents 9.7% of their generation"
>
> http://www.uswardogs.org/vietnam-statistics/
>
>  58,202 deaths
>
> Now. You actually have the numbers to compare
> 2,709,918 over 9 years
>
> 58,202 of those 2,709,918 died over those 9 years
>
> You see where this is going?
>
> now extrapolate over 9 year, noting that all experts say kungflu is in
> all probability going to be moot after the 3rd season based on standard
> viral activity.
>
> We will go with 100k deaths this season to keep the fear mongering strong.
> Next season will be 50k, third season 25k, negligible on following seasons.
>
> so 175k deaths out of 330,000,000 pesrons (we wont even address birth
> rates and how many more people over 9 years that is)
>
> for reference, assuming 330 million went over with the same outcomes, we
> would have to see 7,087,542.8 china-virus deaths to be an equitable
> comparison
>
> So, basically comparing the rona to vietnam tells us that rona isnt even
> a rednecks piss in the ocean comparatively
>
>
> The fear mongering fails when put up against the real world. So when 7
> million US citizens die from kungflu, ill take that comparison as having
> any merit beyond an attempt to startle the sheep
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:57 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some kind of perspective on
>> it. The observation I had was that Vietnam killed about 241 people per
>> month (on average) vs the CV19 killing more than 100 times that. Comparing
>> to flu is semi-relevant as it is also a virus, except that we know how to
>> make vaccines in semi-anticipation of it, and it is considerably less
>> deadly either way.
>>
>> If you can't measure it, you don't know what you have.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/29/2020 9:41 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>
>> The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or
>> more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They
>> specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point with people who
>> are touchy about the Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare
>> auto deaths with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have
>> anything to do with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear
>>> 2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples.
>>> look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was
>>> effective is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.
>>> Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more
>>> than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one
>>> another then came home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that
>>> actually took place.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000
>>>> people will get flu.
>>>> That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with
>>>> it.  Mostly old folks.
>>>>
>>>> But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in
>>>> a

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

vaccines are a cool thing and all, but i cannot find a single successful
coronavirus vaccine for humans. weve been chasing this forever with the
common cold coronavirus. If vaccines were just a simple "we need 18 months"
HIV wouldnt exist. I may be wrong because searches right now only tend to
come back with COVID19 variant responses, so there may be other coronavirus
that have had successful vaccines developed, i just can find zero

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:17 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Yah. I'm pretty sure there are lots of places that know how to make a
> vaccine; maybe dozens. I saw an interview with Bill Gates the other day
> where he pointed out that he is backing the 6 or 7 vaccine developments
> that show the most promise. That said, they still won't be able to deploy
> even the most likely one until early next year. Flu is also different in
> that we have numerous flu strains that seem to be on kind of a rotation.
> They ramp up production of the couple most likely to be coming around on
> the guitar every year. Sometimes they guess pretty well (I think this year
> they did pretty well), sometimes they don't do so well.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/29/2020 10:03 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> I get your point, but to be technically correct, which in all honesty I
> might not be, I think they know how to make a vacine for COVID, but its
> tnroduction and spread was at such a rapid pace they hadn't time to do it.
> I believe the production is the same method as for the flu, it'll just be
> to late.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:57 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some kind of perspective on
>> it. The observation I had was that Vietnam killed about 241 people per
>> month (on average) vs the CV19 killing more than 100 times that. Comparing
>> to flu is semi-relevant as it is also a virus, except that we know how to
>> make vaccines in semi-anticipation of it, and it is considerably less
>> deadly either way.
>>
>> If you can't measure it, you don't know what you have.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/29/2020 9:41 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>
>> The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or
>> more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They
>> specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point with people who
>> are touchy about the Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare
>> auto deaths with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have
>> anything to do with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear
>>> 2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples.
>>> look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was
>>> effective is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.
>>> Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more
>>> than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one
>>> another then came home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that
>>> actually took place.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000
>>>> people will get flu.
>>>> That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with
>>>> it.  Mostly old folks.
>>>>
>>>> But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in
>>>> addition to the regular flu.
>>>> Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>>>
>>>> I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is.
>>>> 66,000 died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk
>>>> around and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many
>>>>> automobile deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other
>>>>> deaths in a specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the
>>>>> day.
>>>>>
>>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

The only comparison is the number.  Number killed in the conflict.  Number 
killed by the virus.  Number killed by Jim Jones.  
If the number is big enough people care.  If the deaths happen is a short 
amount of time people care more.  
It was just a milepost number.  Hopefully we don’t get to Civil War numbers.  
Or holocaust numbers.  

Not sure how you can use a factoid like that as fear mongering.  It is just an 
idle curiosity.  It is not an insignificant number of deaths.  
People seemed to be much more afraid of killer bees.

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

" 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam Era 
(Aug 5, 1964 – May 7, 1975). 2 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the war 
(Aug 5, 1964 – March 28, 1973). 3. 2,709,918 Americans served in Vietnam , this 
number represents 9.7% of their generation" 


http://www.uswardogs.org/vietnam-statistics/ 

 58,202 deaths



Now. You actually have the numbers to compare
2,709,918 over 9 years


58,202 of those 2,709,918 died over those 9 years


You see where this is going?


now extrapolate over 9 year, noting that all experts say kungflu is in all 
probability going to be moot after the 3rd season based on standard viral 
activity.


We will go with 100k deaths this season to keep the fear mongering strong. Next 
season will be 50k, third season 25k, negligible on following seasons.


so 175k deaths out of 330,000,000 pesrons (we wont even address birth rates and 
how many more people over 9 years that is)


for reference, assuming 330 million went over with the same outcomes, we would 
have to see 7,087,542.8 china-virus deaths to be an equitable comparison


So, basically comparing the rona to vietnam tells us that rona isnt even a 
rednecks piss in the ocean comparatively 




The fear mongering fails when put up against the real world. So when 7 million 
US citizens die from kungflu, ill take that comparison as having any merit 
beyond an attempt to startle the sheep









On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:57 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

  My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some kind of perspective on it. 
The observation I had was that Vietnam killed about 241 people per month (on 
average) vs the CV19 killing more than 100 times that. Comparing to flu is 
semi-relevant as it is also a virus, except that we know how to make vaccines 
in semi-anticipation of it, and it is considerably less deadly either way. 


  If you can't measure it, you don't know what you have.



bp


On 4/29/2020 9:41 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or 
more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They 
specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point with people who are 
touchy about the Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare auto 
deaths with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have anything to do 
with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.  

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones  
wrote:

  Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear 
2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples. 
  look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was 
effective is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.
  Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more 
than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one 
another then came home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that 
actually took place.


  On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM  wrote:

I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000 
people will get flu.  
That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with 
it.  Mostly old folks.

But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in 
addition to the regular flu.  
Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 
66,000 died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk 
around and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum  
wrote:

  Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many 
automobile deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other deaths 
in a specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the day. 


  On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country 
throughout the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 3

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Bill Prince

   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT
    Hope?

  
   


  I don't think those are
great comparisons but I think the Flu
is. 66,000 died last year from the flu
in the US and we still managed to walk
around and shake hands. But hey, if you
think you might die, stay home.
   
  
On
  Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron
  Crum <cc...@murcevilo.com>
  wrote:


  Why don't we put out
graphs every year when we reach that
many automobile deaths, or flu
deaths, or heart disease deaths, or
any other deaths in a specific
category? Sensationalism and fear
mongering rule the day.
 
  
   
  
On
  Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve
  Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
  wrote:


  Why is that surprising. How
many people did we put in
country throughout the war?
There are 330 million here. If
we had put 330 million through
Vietnam, we would have "won" and
lost even more.
 
I keep seeing the Vietnam
  thing and then laugh at the
  thought that those present it
  also present statistics
  
   
  
On Tue, Apr 28,
  2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
  wrote:


  
Interesting that today,
  April 28, we surpassed in
  a couple of months the
  number of US personnel
  killed in the Vietnam war
  over the course of 20
  years (1955-1975).
 
 
bp



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

" 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the *Vietnam* Era
(Aug 5, 1964 – May 7, 1975). 2 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the
war (Aug 5, 1964 – March 28, 1973). 3. 2,709,918 Americans served in
*Vietnam* , this number represents 9.7% of their generation"

http://www.uswardogs.org/vietnam-statistics/

 58,202 deaths

Now. You actually have the numbers to compare
2,709,918 over 9 years

58,202 of those 2,709,918 died over those 9 years

You see where this is going?

now extrapolate over 9 year, noting that all experts say kungflu is in all
probability going to be moot after the 3rd season based on standard viral
activity.

We will go with 100k deaths this season to keep the fear mongering strong.
Next season will be 50k, third season 25k, negligible on following seasons.

so 175k deaths out of 330,000,000 pesrons (we wont even address birth rates
and how many more people over 9 years that is)

for reference, assuming 330 million went over with the same outcomes, we
would have to see 7,087,542.8 china-virus deaths to be an equitable
comparison

So, basically comparing the rona to vietnam tells us that rona isnt even a
rednecks piss in the ocean comparatively


The fear mongering fails when put up against the real world. So when 7
million US citizens die from kungflu, ill take that comparison as having
any merit beyond an attempt to startle the sheep





On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:57 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some kind of perspective on it.
> The observation I had was that Vietnam killed about 241 people per month
> (on average) vs the CV19 killing more than 100 times that. Comparing to flu
> is semi-relevant as it is also a virus, except that we know how to make
> vaccines in semi-anticipation of it, and it is considerably less deadly
> either way.
>
> If you can't measure it, you don't know what you have.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/29/2020 9:41 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or
> more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They
> specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point with people who
> are touchy about the Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare
> auto deaths with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have
> anything to do with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear
>> 2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples.
>> look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was
>> effective is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.
>> Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more
>> than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one
>> another then came home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that
>> actually took place.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000
>>> people will get flu.
>>> That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with
>>> it.  Mostly old folks.
>>>
>>> But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in
>>> addition to the regular flu.
>>> Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.
>>>
>>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>>
>>> I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 66,000
>>> died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk around
>>> and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many
>>>> automobile deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other
>>>> deaths in a specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the
>>>> day.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country
>>>>> throughout the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million
>>>>> through Vietnam, we would have "won" and lost even more.
>>>>>
>>>>> I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then l

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Lewis Bergman

I get your point, but to be technically correct, which in all honesty I
might not be, I think they know how to make a vacine for COVID, but its
tnroduction and spread was at such a rapid pace they hadn't time to do it.
I believe the production is the same method as for the flu, it'll just be
to late.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:57 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some kind of perspective on it.
> The observation I had was that Vietnam killed about 241 people per month
> (on average) vs the CV19 killing more than 100 times that. Comparing to flu
> is semi-relevant as it is also a virus, except that we know how to make
> vaccines in semi-anticipation of it, and it is considerably less deadly
> either way.
>
> If you can't measure it, you don't know what you have.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/29/2020 9:41 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or
> more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They
> specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point with people who
> are touchy about the Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare
> auto deaths with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have
> anything to do with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear
>> 2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples.
>> look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was
>> effective is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.
>> Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more
>> than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one
>> another then came home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that
>> actually took place.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000
>>> people will get flu.
>>> That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with
>>> it.  Mostly old folks.
>>>
>>> But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in
>>> addition to the regular flu.
>>> Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.
>>>
>>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>>
>>> I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 66,000
>>> died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk around
>>> and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many
>>>> automobile deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other
>>>> deaths in a specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the
>>>> day.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country
>>>>> throughout the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million
>>>>> through Vietnam, we would have "won" and lost even more.
>>>>>
>>>>> I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that
>>>>> those present it also present statistics
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months
>>>>>> the number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 
>>>>>> 20
>>>>>> years (1955-1975).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some kind of
  perspective on it. The observation I had was that Vietnam killed
  about 241 people per month (on average) vs the CV19 killing more
  than 100 times that. Comparing to flu is semi-relevant as it is
  also a virus, except that we know how to make vaccines in
  semi-anticipation of it, and it is considerably less deadly either
  way. 

If you can't measure it, you don't know what you have.


bp



On 4/29/2020 9:41 AM, Cameron Crum
  wrote:


  
  The point was that there are lots of things that
cause as many deaths or more, but we aren't comparing them to
people killed in Vietnam. They specifically did this to try to
raise an emotional point with people who are touchy about the
Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare auto deaths
with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have anything
to do with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.  
  
  
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30
  AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
  wrote:


  Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those,
Flue would probably clear 2-300k annually. if we wanted to
compare apples and apples.
look to where the data saying that the destructin of
  society was effective is coming from. Its only coming from
  places that gain by that.
Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores
  are packed more than before, people who normally
  wouldnt have interacted are passing one another then came
  home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that
  actually took place.


  
  
  
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at
  9:48 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  wrote:


  

  
I guess the difference is, you don’t do
  anything different and 66,000 people will get
  flu.  
That is what the estimate is up to April 10
  this year.  We live with it.  Mostly old folks.
 
But behaving the same way and you may have
  300,000 corona deaths in addition to the regular
  flu.  
Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the
  flu.  

  
 

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020
8:31 AM
  To: AnimalFarm
  Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

  
   


  I don't think those are great
comparisons but I think the Flu is. 66,000 died
last year from the flu in the US and we still
managed to walk around and shake hands. But hey,
if you think you might die, stay home.
   
  
On Wed, Apr
  29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum <cc...@murcevilo.com>
  wrote:


  Why don't we put out graphs
every year when we reach that many
automobile deaths, or flu deaths, or heart
disease deaths, or any other deaths in a
specific category? Sensationalism and fear
mongering rule the day.
 
  
   
  
On Tue,
  Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
  wrote:


  Why is that surprising. How many
people did we put in country throughout
the war? There are 330 million here. If
we had put 330 million through Vietnam,
we would have "won" and lost even more.
 
I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and
  th

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

false, "they" would NEVER fear monger, FACTS MATTER and DEMOCRACY DIES IN
DARKNESS. stop questioning them

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:42 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:

> The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or
> more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They
> specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point with people who
> are touchy about the Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare
> auto deaths with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have
> anything to do with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear
>> 2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples.
>> look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was
>> effective is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.
>> Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more
>> than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one
>> another then came home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that
>> actually took place.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000
>>> people will get flu.
>>> That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with
>>> it.  Mostly old folks.
>>>
>>> But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in
>>> addition to the regular flu.
>>> Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.
>>>
>>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>>
>>> I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 66,000
>>> died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk around
>>> and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many
>>>> automobile deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other
>>>> deaths in a specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the
>>>> day.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country
>>>>> throughout the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million
>>>>> through Vietnam, we would have "won" and lost even more.
>>>>>
>>>>> I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that
>>>>> those present it also present statistics
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months
>>>>>> the number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 
>>>>>> 20
>>>>>> years (1955-1975).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/28/2020 6:46 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: image]
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Cameron Crum

The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or
more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They
specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point with people who
are touchy about the Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare
auto deaths with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have
anything to do with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear
> 2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples.
> look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was effective
> is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.
> Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more
> than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one
> another then came home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that
> actually took place.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM  wrote:
>
>> I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000
>> people will get flu.
>> That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with it.
>> Mostly old folks.
>>
>> But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in
>> addition to the regular flu.
>> Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.
>>
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>
>> I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 66,000
>> died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk around
>> and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:
>>
>>> Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many
>>> automobile deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other
>>> deaths in a specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the
>>> day.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country
>>>> throughout the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million
>>>> through Vietnam, we would have "won" and lost even more.
>>>>
>>>> I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that
>>>> those present it also present statistics
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months
>>>>> the number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 20
>>>>> years (1955-1975).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> bp
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/28/2020 6:46 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: image]
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Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear
2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples.
look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was effective
is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.
Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more
than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one
another then came home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that
actually took place.


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM  wrote:

> I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000
> people will get flu.
> That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with it.
> Mostly old folks.
>
> But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in
> addition to the regular flu.
> Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
> I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 66,000
> died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk around
> and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many automobile
>> deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other deaths in a
>> specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the day.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country throughout
>>> the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million through
>>> Vietnam, we would have "won" and lost even more.
>>>
>>> I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that those
>>> present it also present statistics
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months
>>>> the number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 20
>>>> years (1955-1975).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/28/2020 6:46 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [image: image]
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

Well, not using your seat belt or smoking is not contagious in the biological 
sense.  Certain families have a mental defect where they don’t wear seat belts 
and or smoke and they pass that along to offspring with social norms... but my 
kids can’t catch it from your kids.And it certainly is not on the uptick in 
an exponential way.  

Norovirus on cruise ships is handled with about as much alarm as coronaviurs.  
We all do care and that doesn’t normally kill you.  Just gives you the shits 
really bad and makes you wish you were dead.  But during an outbreak it is a 5 
alarm fire to put it out.  

Is it easily transferred?
Is it growing exponentially?
Will it kill you?

If the answer is yes to those, care about it much more than other things.  



From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

I don't think that's incredibly relevant to the core point. No one seems to 
give a shit about things that kill us every day in great quantity, but they do 
now about one particular thing.



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From: "Robert" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:51:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

And in two months of covid-19 we will exceed the annual deaths of flu...  It's 
going to be interesting to see what people say in a year when we are looking at 
200,000 plus of covid and then what is going to be the comparison?


On 4/29/20 7:31 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

  I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 66,000 died 
last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk around and shake 
hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.

  On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:

Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many automobile 
deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other deaths in a 
specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the day. 


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:

  Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country throughout 
the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million through Vietnam, 
we would have "won" and lost even more. 

  I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that those 
present it also present statistics

  On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months 
the number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 20 
years (1955-1975).





bp


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Robert


I think this was the most succinct way I have seen this described..


66,000 will die from the flu and not many more.   Except this year, with 
the covid prevention flu could be way down.   I do wonder if those two 
docs got it right about that and we actually could be reducing our 
immunity to common virus.



On 4/29/20 7:47 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000 
people will get flu.
That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year. We live with 
it.  Mostly old folks.
But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in 
addition to the regular flu.

Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.
*From:* Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 
66,000 died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to 
walk around and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay 
home.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:

Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many
automobile deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any
other deaths in a specific category? Sensationalism and fear
mongering rule the day.
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones
 wrote:

Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country
throughout the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put
330 million through Vietnam, we would have "won" and lost even
more.
I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought
that those present it also present statistics
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince
 wrote:

Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple
of months the number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam
war over the course of 20 years (1955-1975).

bp


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Mike Hammett

I don't think that's incredibly relevant to the core point. No one seems to 
give a shit about things that kill us every day in great quantity, but they do 
now about one particular thing. 



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From: "Robert"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:51:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope? 

And in two months of covid-19 we will exceed the annual deaths of flu... It's 
going to be interesting to see what people say in a year when we are looking at 
200,000 plus of covid and then what is going to be the comparison? 


On 4/29/20 7:31 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: 



I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 66,000 died 
last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk around and shake 
hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home. 


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum < cc...@murcevilo.com > wrote: 



Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many automobile 
deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other deaths in a 
specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the day. 




On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country throughout the 
war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million through Vietnam, we 
would have "won" and lost even more. 


I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that those 
present it also present statistics 


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Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months the number 
of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 20 years 
(1955-1975). 



bp
 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Robert

And in two months of covid-19 we will exceed the annual deaths of 
flu...  It's going to be interesting to see what people say in a year 
when we are looking at 200,000 plus of covid and then what is going to 
be the comparison?


On 4/29/20 7:31 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 
66,000 died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to 
walk around and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay 
home.


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum > wrote:


Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many
automobile deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any
other deaths in a specific category? Sensationalism and fear
mongering rule the day.


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country
throughout the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put
330 million through Vietnam, we would have "won" and lost even
more.

I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought
that those present it also present statistics

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple
of months the number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam
war over the course of 20 years (1955-1975).



bp


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2020-04-29 Thread Robert

Ummm, they do.   And some places run tv commercials about it. And there 
are efforts to reduce it.   But the difference is you are comparing 
stuff that is happening at a daily rate in the first couple of months to 
rates exceeding those.  Apples oranges and bananas...


On 4/29/20 7:03 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many 
automobile deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any 
other deaths in a specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering 
rule the day.



On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones > wrote:


Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country
throughout the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330
million through Vietnam, we would have "won" and lost even more.

I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that
those present it also present statistics

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of
months the number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war
over the course of 20 years (1955-1975).



bp


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000 people 
will get flu.  
That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with it.  
Mostly old folks.

But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in addition to 
the regular flu.  
Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 66,000 died 
last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk around and shake 
hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:

  Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many automobile 
deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other deaths in a 
specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the day. 


  On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country throughout 
the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million through Vietnam, 
we would have "won" and lost even more. 

I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that those 
present it also present statistics

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

  Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months the 
number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 20 years 
(1955-1975).





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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Ken Hohhof

We hear those numbers all the time, as well as gun violence deaths.  We endure 
many intrusive regulations like seat belts and baby seats to reduce automobile 
deaths, and we are inundated every fall with PSAs to get a flu shot.  (BTW, 
this year we really should)

 

I wonder what you think about the attention given to 9-11 deaths or Boeing 737 
MAX deaths.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

 

Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many automobile 
deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other deaths in a 
specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the day.

 

 

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Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country throughout the 
war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million through Vietnam, we 
would have "won" and lost even more.

 

I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that those 
present it also present statistics

 

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Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months the number 
of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 20 years 
(1955-1975).

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Lewis Bergman

I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 66,000
died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk around
and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many automobile
> deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other deaths in a
> specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the day.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country throughout
>> the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million through
>> Vietnam, we would have "won" and lost even more.
>>
>> I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that those
>> present it also present statistics
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months the
>>> number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 20
>>> years (1955-1975).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Cameron Crum

Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many automobile
deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other deaths in a
specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the day.


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country throughout
> the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million through
> Vietnam, we would have "won" and lost even more.
>
> I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that those
> present it also present statistics
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months the
>> number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 20
>> years (1955-1975).
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country throughout
the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million through
Vietnam, we would have "won" and lost even more.

I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that those
present it also present statistics

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months the
> number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 20
> years (1955-1975).
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-28 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of
  months the number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over
  the course of 20 years (1955-1975).




bp



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see, no threat

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:41 PM can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> Video of Steve waiting for a bus...
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LawuQG8Z81w
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:33 PM  wrote:
>
>> Titty and sock money yum...
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:47 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/26/bronx-liquor-store-window-sign-covid-19-too-real-stfu-cough-die/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:20 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sneezing may not be a symptom of covid, but if you have covid and
>> sneeze... just think of all those droplets going everywhere...
>>
>>
>>
>> Shooting sneezers seems pretty reasonable to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> nope, but cant risk spread, sneezes get you shot, coughing gets you shot,
>> sweating could mean you just broke a fever, thats a shootin.  shortness of
>> breath, gets you shot. its better to be safe than sorry i say.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:07 PM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>> You got something against people with allergies?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:59 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>
>>
>>
>> I think weve been duped. The herd mentality is a dangerous thing
>>
>> Ive been opening up the house and inviting people to see the baby, after
>> the first im starting cookouts again
>>
>> anybody sneezes, they get shot
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:20 PM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>> That’s a bunch of baloney.  They are using the claim that we are about to
>> become a hotspot as the basis for delaying re-opening things.  They claimed
>> we had to close down because the hospitals would be overwhelmed and “more
>> people will die because they can’t get healthcare”.  They are laying-off
>> pretty much every hospital employee that isn’t in the ER or ICU because
>> there aren’t any patients.  Every medical system in our state has done
>> this.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:05 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>
>>
>>
>> they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being
>> lifted.
>>
>>
>>
>> yes our social distancing has been working great!  it's about to not be
>> working great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough
>> restrictions to not overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up
>> again they will issue new orders to stay at home.  it's a network capacity
>> plannning issue at this point.
>>
>>
>>
>> open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!
>>
>> sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>> People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot
>> spots.  Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social
>> distancing, why would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep
>> saying that and they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though
>> that Wisconsin and Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.
>> Worldmeters.info lists the first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of
>> those were in Illinois and I believe the 12th case in the US was in
>> Wisconsin.  The Wisconsin case recovered (she calls it a dehumanizing
>> experience) and wrote an article about her experience.  The thing to point
>> out is that this was before any social distancing or basically any
>> precautions were being taken even by medical personnel.  She went in to the
>> ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 2 days after she returned
>> from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) and was sent home.
>> Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was transported by
>> ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different ambulance crews in
>&

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-28 Thread Jay Weekley

I think they are less than 6 feet apart.

can...@believewireless.net wrote:

Video of Steve waiting for a bus...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LawuQG8Z81w

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:33 PM wrote:

Titty and sock money yum...

*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:47 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/26/bronx-liquor-store-window-sign-covid-19-too-real-stfu-cough-die/

*From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:20 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

Sneezing may not be a symptom of covid, but if you have covid and
sneeze... just think of all those droplets going everywhere...

Shooting sneezers seems pretty reasonable to me.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones
wrote:

nope, but cant risk spread, sneezes get you shot, coughing gets you shot,
sweating could mean you just broke a fever, thats a shootin. shortness of
breath, gets you shot. its better to be safe than sorry i say.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:07 PM James Howard wrote:

You got something against people with allergies?

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:59 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

I think weve been duped. The herd mentality is a dangerous thing

Ive been opening up the house and inviting people to see the baby, after
the first im starting cookouts again

anybody sneezes, they get shot

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:20 PM James Howard wrote:

That’s a bunch of baloney. They are using the claim that we are about to
become a hotspot as the basis for delaying re-opening things. They claimed
we had to close down because the hospitals would be overwhelmed and “more
people will die because they can’t get healthcare”. They are laying-off
pretty much every hospital employee that isn’t in the ER or ICU because
there aren’t any patients. Every medical system in our state has done
this.

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:05 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being
lifted.

yes our social distancing has been working great! it's about to not be
working great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough
restrictions to not overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up
again they will issue new orders to stay at home. it's a network capacity
plannning issue at this point.

open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!

sean

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard wrote:

People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot
spots. Why? If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social
distancing, why would they all of a sudden become hot spots? People keep
saying that and they’re saying it about our area too. The thing is though
that Wisconsin and Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.
Worldmeters.info lists the first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US. 2 of
those were in Illinois and I believe the 12th case in the US was in
Wisconsin. The Wisconsin case recovered (she calls it a dehumanizing
experience) and wrote an article about her experience. The thing to point
out is that this was before any social distancing or basically any
precautions were being taken even by medical personnel. She went in to the
ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 2 days after she returned
from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) and was sent home.
Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was transported by
ambulance back to the ER. At least two different ambulance crews in
addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER personnel were
all exposed to her multiple times. Despite this, as of yesterday the
reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the entire state.
That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th. I’m not disputing that this is
contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at much
greater risk than others. I’m just asking what is the logic that says that
a “hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT
PRECAUTIONS or social distancing in place)?

Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died within a
couple hours of each other in the hospital. Both had tested positive for
COVID-19 and been sent home to quarantine. He then fell and hit his head
so both were admitted to the hospital and they both died there. The story
said that he didn’t die from COVID but from “head trauma”. He was 94 and
she was 93.

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:36 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-28 Thread can...@believewireless.net

Video of Steve waiting for a bus...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LawuQG8Z81w

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:33 PM  wrote:

> Titty and sock money yum...
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:47 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
>
>
> https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/26/bronx-liquor-store-window-sign-covid-19-too-real-stfu-cough-die/
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:20 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
>
>
> Sneezing may not be a symptom of covid, but if you have covid and
> sneeze... just think of all those droplets going everywhere...
>
>
>
> Shooting sneezers seems pretty reasonable to me.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> nope, but cant risk spread, sneezes get you shot, coughing gets you shot,
> sweating could mean you just broke a fever, thats a shootin.  shortness of
> breath, gets you shot. its better to be safe than sorry i say.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:07 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> You got something against people with allergies?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:59 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
>
>
> I think weve been duped. The herd mentality is a dangerous thing
>
> Ive been opening up the house and inviting people to see the baby, after
> the first im starting cookouts again
>
> anybody sneezes, they get shot
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:20 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> That’s a bunch of baloney.  They are using the claim that we are about to
> become a hotspot as the basis for delaying re-opening things.  They claimed
> we had to close down because the hospitals would be overwhelmed and “more
> people will die because they can’t get healthcare”.  They are laying-off
> pretty much every hospital employee that isn’t in the ER or ICU because
> there aren’t any patients.  Every medical system in our state has done
> this.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:05 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
>
>
> they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being
> lifted.
>
>
>
> yes our social distancing has been working great!  it's about to not be
> working great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough
> restrictions to not overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up
> again they will issue new orders to stay at home.  it's a network capacity
> plannning issue at this point.
>
>
>
> open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!
>
> sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard  wrote:
>
> People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot
> spots.  Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social
> distancing, why would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep
> saying that and they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though
> that Wisconsin and Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.
> Worldmeters.info lists the first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of
> those were in Illinois and I believe the 12th case in the US was in
> Wisconsin.  The Wisconsin case recovered (she calls it a dehumanizing
> experience) and wrote an article about her experience.  The thing to point
> out is that this was before any social distancing or basically any
> precautions were being taken even by medical personnel.  She went in to the
> ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 2 days after she returned
> from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) and was sent home.
> Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was transported by
> ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different ambulance crews in
> addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER personnel were
> all exposed to her multiple times.  Despite this, as of yesterday the
> reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the entire state.
> That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th.   I’m not disputing that this is
> contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at much
> greater risk than others.  I’m just asking what is the logic that says that
> a “hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT
> PRECAUTIONS or social distancing in place)?
>
>
>
> Sad story in the news here yest

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-28 Thread chuck

Titty and sock money yum...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/26/bronx-liquor-store-window-sign-covid-19-too-real-stfu-cough-die/

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

Sneezing may not be a symptom of covid, but if you have covid and sneeze... 
just think of all those droplets going everywhere...

Shooting sneezers seems pretty reasonable to me.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

  nope, but cant risk spread, sneezes get you shot, coughing gets you shot, 
sweating could mean you just broke a fever, thats a shootin.  shortness of 
breath, gets you shot. its better to be safe than sorry i say. 

  On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:07 PM James Howard  wrote:

You got something against people with allergies?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

I think weve been duped. The herd mentality is a dangerous thing

Ive been opening up the house and inviting people to see the baby, after 
the first im starting cookouts again

anybody sneezes, they get shot

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:20 PM James Howard  wrote:

  That’s a bunch of baloney.  They are using the claim that we are about to 
become a hotspot as the basis for delaying re-opening things.  They claimed we 
had to close down because the hospitals would be overwhelmed and “more people 
will die because they can’t get healthcare”.  They are laying-off pretty much 
every hospital employee that isn’t in the ER or ICU because there aren’t any 
patients.  Every medical system in our state has done this. 

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
  Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:05 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

  they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being 
lifted.

  yes our social distancing has been working great!  it's about to not be 
working great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough restrictions 
to not overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up again they will 
issue new orders to stay at home.  it's a network capacity plannning issue at 
this point.

  open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!

  sean

  On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard  wrote:

People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or 
hot spots.  Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social 
distancing, why would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep 
saying that and they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though that 
Wisconsin and Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.  
Worldmeters.info lists the first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of those 
were in Illinois and I believe the 12th case in the US was in Wisconsin.  The 
Wisconsin case recovered (she calls it a dehumanizing experience) and wrote an 
article about her experience.  The thing to point out is that this was before 
any social distancing or basically any precautions were being taken even by 
medical personnel.  She went in to the ER when she started getting sick (which 
was btw 2 days after she returned from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in 
Amsterdam) and was sent home.  Over the course of her illness she called 911 
TWICE and was transported by ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different 
ambulance crews in addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER 
personnel were all exposed to her multiple times.  Despite this, as of 
yesterday the reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the 
entire state.   That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th.   I’m not disputing that 
this is contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at 
much greater risk than others.  I’m just asking what is the logic that says 
that a “hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT 
PRECAUTIONS or social distancing in place)?

Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died 
within a couple hours of each other in the hospital.  Both had tested positive 
for COVID-19 and been sent home to quarantine.  He then fell and hit his head 
so both were admitted to the hospital and they both died there.  The story said 
that he didn’t die from COVID but from “head trauma”.  He was 94 and she was 93.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:36 AM

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-28 Thread Ken Hohhof

https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/26/bronx-liquor-store-window-sign-covid-19-too-real-stfu-cough-die/

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

Sneezing may not be a symptom of covid, but if you have covid and sneeze... 
just think of all those droplets going everywhere...

Shooting sneezers seems pretty reasonable to me.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

nope, but cant risk spread, sneezes get you shot, coughing gets you shot, 
sweating could mean you just broke a fever, thats a shootin.  shortness of 
breath, gets you shot. its better to be safe than sorry i say. 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:07 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

You got something against people with allergies?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> ] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

I think weve been duped. The herd mentality is a dangerous thing

Ive been opening up the house and inviting people to see the baby, after the 
first im starting cookouts again

anybody sneezes, they get shot

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:20 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

That’s a bunch of baloney.  They are using the claim that we are about to 
become a hotspot as the basis for delaying re-opening things.  They claimed we 
had to close down because the hospitals would be overwhelmed and “more people 
will die because they can’t get healthcare”.  They are laying-off pretty much 
every hospital employee that isn’t in the ER or ICU because there aren’t any 
patients.  Every medical system in our state has done this. 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> ] On 
Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being lifted.

yes our social distancing has been working great!  it's about to not be working 
great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough restrictions to not 
overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up again they will issue new 
orders to stay at home.  it's a network capacity plannning issue at this point.

open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!

sean

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot spots. 
 Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social distancing, why 
would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep saying that and 
they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though that Wisconsin and 
Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.  Worldmeters.info lists the 
first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of those were in Illinois and I 
believe the 12th case in the US was in Wisconsin.  The Wisconsin case recovered 
(she calls it a dehumanizing experience) and wrote an article about her 
experience.  The thing to point out is that this was before any social 
distancing or basically any precautions were being taken even by medical 
personnel.  She went in to the ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 
2 days after she returned from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) 
and was sent home.  Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was 
transported by ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different ambulance 
crews in addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER personnel 
were all exposed to her multiple times.  Despite this, as of yesterday the 
reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the entire state.   
That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th.   I’m not disputing that this is 
contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at much 
greater risk than others.  I’m just asking what is the logic that says that a 
“hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT PRECAUTIONS or 
social distancing in place)?

Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died within a 
couple hours of each other in the hospital.  Both had tested positive for 
COVID-19 and been sent home to quarantine.  He then fell and hit his head so 
both were admitted to the hospital and they both died there.  The story said 
that he didn’t die from COVID but from “head trauma”.  He was 94 and she was 93.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> ] On 
Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
S

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-28 Thread Mathew Howard

Sneezing may not be a symptom of covid, but if you have covid and sneeze...
just think of all those droplets going everywhere...

Shooting sneezers seems pretty reasonable to me.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> nope, but cant risk spread, sneezes get you shot, coughing gets you shot,
> sweating could mean you just broke a fever, thats a shootin.  shortness of
> breath, gets you shot. its better to be safe than sorry i say.
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:07 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
>> You got something against people with allergies?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:59 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>
>>
>>
>> I think weve been duped. The herd mentality is a dangerous thing
>>
>> Ive been opening up the house and inviting people to see the baby, after
>> the first im starting cookouts again
>>
>> anybody sneezes, they get shot
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:20 PM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>> That’s a bunch of baloney.  They are using the claim that we are about to
>> become a hotspot as the basis for delaying re-opening things.  They claimed
>> we had to close down because the hospitals would be overwhelmed and “more
>> people will die because they can’t get healthcare”.  They are laying-off
>> pretty much every hospital employee that isn’t in the ER or ICU because
>> there aren’t any patients.  Every medical system in our state has done
>> this.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:05 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>
>>
>>
>> they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being
>> lifted.
>>
>>
>>
>> yes our social distancing has been working great!  it's about to not be
>> working great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough
>> restrictions to not overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up
>> again they will issue new orders to stay at home.  it's a network capacity
>> plannning issue at this point.
>>
>>
>>
>> open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!
>>
>> sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>> People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot
>> spots.  Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social
>> distancing, why would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep
>> saying that and they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though
>> that Wisconsin and Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.
>> Worldmeters.info lists the first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of
>> those were in Illinois and I believe the 12th case in the US was in
>> Wisconsin.  The Wisconsin case recovered (she calls it a dehumanizing
>> experience) and wrote an article about her experience.  The thing to point
>> out is that this was before any social distancing or basically any
>> precautions were being taken even by medical personnel.  She went in to the
>> ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 2 days after she returned
>> from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) and was sent home.
>> Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was transported by
>> ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different ambulance crews in
>> addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER personnel were
>> all exposed to her multiple times.  Despite this, as of yesterday the
>> reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the entire state.
>>  That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th.   I’m not disputing that this is
>> contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at much
>> greater risk than others.  I’m just asking what is the logic that says that
>> a “hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT
>> PRECAUTIONS or social distancing in place)?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died within
>> a couple hours of each other in the hospital.  Both had tested positive for
>> COVID-19 and been sent home to quarantine.  He then fell and hit his head
>> so both were admitted to the hospital and they both died there.  The story
>> said that he didn’t die from CO

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

punched my son in his arm yesterday. he keeps rubbing it, I ask if its a
sore muscle as i chamber a round. he claims its not sore. but i got my eye
on him

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:16 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> nope, but cant risk spread, sneezes get you shot, coughing gets you shot,
> sweating could mean you just broke a fever, thats a shootin.  shortness of
> breath, gets you shot. its better to be safe than sorry i say.
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:07 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
>> You got something against people with allergies?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:59 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>
>>
>>
>> I think weve been duped. The herd mentality is a dangerous thing
>>
>> Ive been opening up the house and inviting people to see the baby, after
>> the first im starting cookouts again
>>
>> anybody sneezes, they get shot
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:20 PM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>> That’s a bunch of baloney.  They are using the claim that we are about to
>> become a hotspot as the basis for delaying re-opening things.  They claimed
>> we had to close down because the hospitals would be overwhelmed and “more
>> people will die because they can’t get healthcare”.  They are laying-off
>> pretty much every hospital employee that isn’t in the ER or ICU because
>> there aren’t any patients.  Every medical system in our state has done
>> this.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:05 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>
>>
>>
>> they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being
>> lifted.
>>
>>
>>
>> yes our social distancing has been working great!  it's about to not be
>> working great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough
>> restrictions to not overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up
>> again they will issue new orders to stay at home.  it's a network capacity
>> plannning issue at this point.
>>
>>
>>
>> open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!
>>
>> sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>> People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot
>> spots.  Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social
>> distancing, why would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep
>> saying that and they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though
>> that Wisconsin and Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.
>> Worldmeters.info lists the first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of
>> those were in Illinois and I believe the 12th case in the US was in
>> Wisconsin.  The Wisconsin case recovered (she calls it a dehumanizing
>> experience) and wrote an article about her experience.  The thing to point
>> out is that this was before any social distancing or basically any
>> precautions were being taken even by medical personnel.  She went in to the
>> ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 2 days after she returned
>> from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) and was sent home.
>> Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was transported by
>> ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different ambulance crews in
>> addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER personnel were
>> all exposed to her multiple times.  Despite this, as of yesterday the
>> reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the entire state.
>>  That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th.   I’m not disputing that this is
>> contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at much
>> greater risk than others.  I’m just asking what is the logic that says that
>> a “hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT
>> PRECAUTIONS or social distancing in place)?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died within
>> a couple hours of each other in the hospital.  Both had tested positive for
>> COVID-19 and been sent home to quarantine.  He then fell and hit his head
>> so both were admitted to the hospital and they both died there.  The story
>> said that he didn’t die from COVID but from “head trauma”.  He

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

nope, but cant risk spread, sneezes get you shot, coughing gets you shot,
sweating could mean you just broke a fever, thats a shootin.  shortness of
breath, gets you shot. its better to be safe than sorry i say.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:07 PM James Howard  wrote:

> You got something against people with allergies?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:59 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
>
>
> I think weve been duped. The herd mentality is a dangerous thing
>
> Ive been opening up the house and inviting people to see the baby, after
> the first im starting cookouts again
>
> anybody sneezes, they get shot
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:20 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> That’s a bunch of baloney.  They are using the claim that we are about to
> become a hotspot as the basis for delaying re-opening things.  They claimed
> we had to close down because the hospitals would be overwhelmed and “more
> people will die because they can’t get healthcare”.  They are laying-off
> pretty much every hospital employee that isn’t in the ER or ICU because
> there aren’t any patients.  Every medical system in our state has done
> this.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:05 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
>
>
> they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being
> lifted.
>
>
>
> yes our social distancing has been working great!  it's about to not be
> working great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough
> restrictions to not overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up
> again they will issue new orders to stay at home.  it's a network capacity
> plannning issue at this point.
>
>
>
> open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!
>
> sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard  wrote:
>
> People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot
> spots.  Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social
> distancing, why would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep
> saying that and they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though
> that Wisconsin and Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.
> Worldmeters.info lists the first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of
> those were in Illinois and I believe the 12th case in the US was in
> Wisconsin.  The Wisconsin case recovered (she calls it a dehumanizing
> experience) and wrote an article about her experience.  The thing to point
> out is that this was before any social distancing or basically any
> precautions were being taken even by medical personnel.  She went in to the
> ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 2 days after she returned
> from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) and was sent home.
> Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was transported by
> ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different ambulance crews in
> addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER personnel were
> all exposed to her multiple times.  Despite this, as of yesterday the
> reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the entire state.
>  That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th.   I’m not disputing that this is
> contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at much
> greater risk than others.  I’m just asking what is the logic that says that
> a “hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT
> PRECAUTIONS or social distancing in place)?
>
>
>
> Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died within a
> couple hours of each other in the hospital.  Both had tested positive for
> COVID-19 and been sent home to quarantine.  He then fell and hit his head
> so both were admitted to the hospital and they both died there.  The story
> said that he didn’t die from COVID but from “head trauma”.  He was 94 and
> she was 93.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:36 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
>
>
> Seems like people don’t die on Sundays...or people reporting deaths wait
> until Tuesday to catchup.
>
>
>
> It does seem to be trending downward, but that is probably because we are
> seeing NYC numbers trending downward and the rest of the country will start
> to be the hot zones now.
>
>
>
> -Sean

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

I think weve been duped. The herd mentality is a dangerous thing
Ive been opening up the house and inviting people to see the baby, after
the first im starting cookouts again
anybody sneezes, they get shot

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:20 PM James Howard  wrote:

> That’s a bunch of baloney.  They are using the claim that we are about to
> become a hotspot as the basis for delaying re-opening things.  They claimed
> we had to close down because the hospitals would be overwhelmed and “more
> people will die because they can’t get healthcare”.  They are laying-off
> pretty much every hospital employee that isn’t in the ER or ICU because
> there aren’t any patients.  Every medical system in our state has done
> this.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:05 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
>
>
> they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being
> lifted.
>
>
>
> yes our social distancing has been working great!  it's about to not be
> working great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough
> restrictions to not overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up
> again they will issue new orders to stay at home.  it's a network capacity
> plannning issue at this point.
>
>
>
> open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!
>
> sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard  wrote:
>
> People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot
> spots.  Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social
> distancing, why would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep
> saying that and they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though
> that Wisconsin and Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.
> Worldmeters.info lists the first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of
> those were in Illinois and I believe the 12th case in the US was in
> Wisconsin.  The Wisconsin case recovered (she calls it a dehumanizing
> experience) and wrote an article about her experience.  The thing to point
> out is that this was before any social distancing or basically any
> precautions were being taken even by medical personnel.  She went in to the
> ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 2 days after she returned
> from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) and was sent home.
> Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was transported by
> ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different ambulance crews in
> addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER personnel were
> all exposed to her multiple times.  Despite this, as of yesterday the
> reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the entire state.
>  That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th.   I’m not disputing that this is
> contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at much
> greater risk than others.  I’m just asking what is the logic that says that
> a “hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT
> PRECAUTIONS or social distancing in place)?
>
>
>
> Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died within a
> couple hours of each other in the hospital.  Both had tested positive for
> COVID-19 and been sent home to quarantine.  He then fell and hit his head
> so both were admitted to the hospital and they both died there.  The story
> said that he didn’t die from COVID but from “head trauma”.  He was 94 and
> she was 93.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:36 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
>
>
> Seems like people don’t die on Sundays...or people reporting deaths wait
> until Tuesday to catchup.
>
>
>
> It does seem to be trending downward, but that is probably because we are
> seeing NYC numbers trending downward and the rest of the country will start
> to be the hot zones now.
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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2020-04-28 Thread James Howard

That’s a bunch of baloney.  They are using the claim that we are about to 
become a hotspot as the basis for delaying re-opening things.  They claimed we 
had to close down because the hospitals would be overwhelmed and “more people 
will die because they can’t get healthcare”.  They are laying-off pretty much 
every hospital employee that isn’t in the ER or ICU because there aren’t any 
patients.  Every medical system in our state has done this.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being lifted.

yes our social distancing has been working great!  it's about to not be working 
great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough restrictions to not 
overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up again they will issue new 
orders to stay at home.  it's a network capacity plannning issue at this point.

open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!
sean

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot spots. 
 Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social distancing, why 
would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep saying that and 
they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though that Wisconsin and 
Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.  Worldmeters.info lists the 
first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of those were in Illinois and I 
believe the 12th case in the US was in Wisconsin.  The Wisconsin case recovered 
(she calls it a dehumanizing experience) and wrote an article about her 
experience.  The thing to point out is that this was before any social 
distancing or basically any precautions were being taken even by medical 
personnel.  She went in to the ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 
2 days after she returned from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) 
and was sent home.  Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was 
transported by ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different ambulance 
crews in addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER personnel 
were all exposed to her multiple times.  Despite this, as of yesterday the 
reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the entire state.   
That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th.   I’m not disputing that this is 
contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at much 
greater risk than others.  I’m just asking what is the logic that says that a 
“hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT PRECAUTIONS or 
social distancing in place)?

Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died within a 
couple hours of each other in the hospital.  Both had tested positive for 
COVID-19 and been sent home to quarantine.  He then fell and hit his head so 
both were admitted to the hospital and they both died there.  The story said 
that he didn’t die from COVID but from “head trauma”.  He was 94 and she was 93.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] On 
Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

Seems like people don’t die on Sundays...or people reporting deaths wait until 
Tuesday to catchup.

It does seem to be trending downward, but that is probably because we are 
seeing NYC numbers trending downward and the rest of the country will start to 
be the hot zones now.

-Sean

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2020-04-28 Thread Jay Weekley


I hope you like Alabama if that happens.

Steve Jones wrote:

if it were working we wouldnt be having a negligble difference in rates
than sweden. we have states that never even did it. cities are and always
have been unsustainable entities
I wish i was in charge, i would solve the vast majority of the ailments
with a few thousand bombing runs. the cesspools that cities are would make
great glass expanses

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:05 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:


they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being
lifted.

yes our social distancing has been working great!  it's about to not be
working great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough
restrictions to not overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up
again they will issue new orders to stay at home.  it's a network capacity
plannning issue at this point.

open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!
sean


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard  wrote:


People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot
spots.  Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social
distancing, why would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep
saying that and they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though
that Wisconsin and Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.
Worldmeters.info lists the first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of
those were in Illinois and I believe the 12th case in the US was in
Wisconsin.  The Wisconsin case recovered (she calls it a dehumanizing
experience) and wrote an article about her experience.  The thing to point
out is that this was before any social distancing or basically any
precautions were being taken even by medical personnel.  She went in to the
ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 2 days after she returned
from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) and was sent home.
Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was transported by
ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different ambulance crews in
addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER personnel were
all exposed to her multiple times.  Despite this, as of yesterday the
reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the entire state.
  That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th.   I’m not disputing that this is
contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at much
greater risk than others.  I’m just asking what is the logic that says that
a “hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT
PRECAUTIONS or social distancing in place)?



Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died within
a couple hours of each other in the hospital.  Both had tested positive for
COVID-19 and been sent home to quarantine.  He then fell and hit his head
so both were admitted to the hospital and they both died there.  The story
said that he didn’t die from COVID but from “head trauma”.  He was 94 and
she was 93.







*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:36 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?



Seems like people don’t die on Sundays...or people reporting deaths wait
until Tuesday to catchup.



It does seem to be trending downward, but that is probably because we are
seeing NYC numbers trending downward and the rest of the country will start
to be the hot zones now.



-Sean







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