Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Steve Jones]

the site that fed this site actually fell over, doesnt exist any more, it
is the site that brought our preferred upstream on network, so weve been
running only on our second upstream, which, of course we saturated when we
went into permanent failover, had to upgrade that circuit.. We had service
"restored" within a couple of days, but it was crummy performance on the
available path in 5ghz. We went from a single hop to 3 hops to this site.
We had to close on leases to start PCNs to verify equipment. Equipment
orders got rushed and there were some issues with hardware. We ran into
antenna shortages. Ran into a landlord getting nervous when he saw how big
3 foot antennas look. issues with contractors. Issues with staff
availability. Issues with electricians. just cluster after cluster. Had a
brand new 11ghz radio randomly die the other night. multiple short outages
putting equipment into the mix as it arrives.

I cancelled the guy, got my dad to come help me this weekend as much as we
can. Its too much risk during harvest. 2 guys with COPD should be able to
get a lot done in grain dust lol, really though, the old man will get this
all done with me.

If they did shop our lease and we have to colocate, we have a few years to
be off the site, we will recover any lost ground I hope. Most of these
customers have been given a month or two or three of free service for all
the interruptions and capacity issues.

this covid shit is getting ridiculous, but at least my preferred contractor
is immune now so wont need to worry about that



On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 9:27 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Or did the site actually fall over?
>
> On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> 
> I am just kind of curious here if you lost the site why has it been such a
> disaster getting it back on line? You couldn’t just put new equipment up?
>
> On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:05 AM, David Milholen  wrote:
>
> 
>
> All I can say to that situation is damn..
>
> Find new people... sheesh
> On 10/9/2020 12:19 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote site
> feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back online.
> They were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays,
> 5ghz interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment, new hardware
> failures, electricians running 220 to 110 circuits, contractors wife
> kidnapping a kid, if it could go wrong it did. The town has had meetings
> over this and we last promised to be production ready and problem free 2
> weeks ago. At this point they're shopping our lease probably. We have a
> multi year breakout on the lease and can fix it, but in the interim they'll
> probably colocate a competitor. Honestly, I cant blame them.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
>> Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"?
>>
>> Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or you'll
>> lose 80 current customers if you don't do said work?
>>
>> If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an extra 2
>> weeks if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may go with a
>> competitor but if they suck, they'll be back to you eventually. We had
>> people wait up to 5 weeks for an install when we were backed up from the
>> COVID rush for service between March-August.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:46 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.
>>> I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out.
>>> I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last weekend,
>>> I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his daughter
>>> tested positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day after
>>> that and he got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and
>>> daughter still have no taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)
>>> My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.
>>>
>>> Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk
>>> tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I know
>>> it's not as easily spread as they say.
>>> Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be
>>> devastating.
>>>
>>> Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial amount.
>>> Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 5
>>> percent.
>>>
>>> My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing the
>>> costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of
>>> trust.
>>>
>>> Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct
>>> interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust
>>> will drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high
>>> viral count to even get symptomatic.
>>>
>>> Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out 

Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[chuck]

String of balloons.  That would be interesting to see.  Could do it with kites. 
 

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:11 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

I "could" launch a satellite with a steam cannon.  It "could" deploy a big foil 
dish that fans out after it's in orbit and that "could" connect to a WRT-54G 
running Open-WRT in WDS repeater mode.  Bam! WiFi in the whole beamwidth of my 
dish.  


I "could" use that to repeat the WiFi from my cellphone hotspot and share it 
with all 80 people.


These are completely workable plans.  Nothing physically stops this stuff from 
happening.  We "could" do them.  


Actually with your balloon idea, why not tether a string of balloons to each 
other with figure-8 cable? FTTH by balloon.  That "could" be done too. Only the 
first balloon in the string needs an anchor, the rest are anchored to each 
other.  So simple, I wonder why Google didn't think of it.



On 10/9/2020 1:01 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Just build a fence around it in the crash zone.  Put a large UPS on it so it 
has enough power to land during a power outage.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 10:46 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

  The word "could" is possibly the most dangerous one in the English language.  
There's an infinite supply of insane stuff a person "could" do.


  On 10/9/2020 11:40 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I’ll bet you could build a triangle out of magnesium.  Maybe with 8’ legs 
with ring at the end.  Hoist it with a large balloon.  Use the three rings for 
guy wires.  Run a small tube down a guy to replenish the helium.  Run power and 
Ethernet down another leg for the APs.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 9:29 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

Steve mentioned licensed links.  I don’t know if that’s “building back 
better” or if they had licensed links previously.


But you’re not going to put licensed links on a flying COW.  Even temporary 
unlicensed links may need to go on a permanent structure.  The days when we’d 
feed a small site with an SM are over, and apparently this site has 80 subs.


As an indication how things have changed, when we got started in wireless, 
we gave every customer a backup dialup account.  Of course that would be 
useless today, and we got out of dialup entirely in 2009.  Even then, customers 
would drive into town to use free WiFi rather than use dialup.  They could 
maybe get 80 mobile hotspots and give them out to customers, I think on a 
business account they might be genuinely unlimited.  If they use Mikrotik CPE 
routers, there are several models with LTE built in, or get some Cradlepoints.  
I like the mobile hotspots better because they could be repurposed more easily. 
 Once upon a time I would have said WiFi only with no Ethernet is a big 
problem, but most customers these days are 100% WiFi anyway.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 10:14 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again


How high do you need to be for a 3 mile cell?

I wonder about a tethered drone.  Powered from the ground.  Or perhaps a 
balloon.  Not for this instant case but for the future.  COWs that fly.  New 
company “Over the Moon”.  


From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 8:48 AM

    To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again


I think Steve said it was a grain elevator or leg that got destroyed in a 
derecho wind storm.  I seem to remember he posted some photos.  I’m not sure if 
they are deploying on a concrete silo at the same site or a different site.


We used to avoid grain legs and pay the rent to be on commercial towers, 
but everything is forcing all of us to shrink our cells from 7-10 miles once 
upon a time to more like 3 miles today, so you really can’t avoid using 
whatever structures are available unless you want to build a lot of towers.  
That said, we are on a 400 ft commercial tower with 5 licensed links and 10 
sectors.  If that sucker blew over, I don’t know what we’d do, there are no 
nearby tall structures, and we couldn’t bring in a 300 ft COW and put all that 
stuff on it.  Luckily the tower was reinforced to Rev. G and is unlikely to 
blow over, but stuff happens, I remember one tower fell down when a vehicle 
went off the road and snapped some guy wires.  And there was an old AT Long 
Lines tower in our area that blew over in a wind storm.



From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 9:26 AM
    To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again


Or did the site actually fall o

Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Ken Hohhof]

With enough drugs you could THINK you were running a marathon, while in
reality you're still in a coma on a ventilator.  Just like in the Matrix
movies.  Except instead of dodging bullets in slowmo, we'd be having Zoom
meetings.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 12:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

A 53 year old classmate has been in the hospital for over a month. The
status updates from this week were that he was off of the vent and able to
sit in a chair for 10 minutes.

Jaime Solorza wrote:
> We lost a relative's husband to it yesterday...31 years old...
> Stay safe... don't listen to idiots, it kills.
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 10:46 PM Steve Jones  <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.
> I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out.
> I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last
> weekend, I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days
> before, his daughter tested positive the next day, his wife and
> other daughter the day after that and he got sick wednesday.
> Everybody is over symptoms (wife and daughter still have no taste
> or smell, but that lasts a long time)
> My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.
>
> Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very
> risk tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of
> times, so I know it's not as easily spread as they say.
> Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be
> devastating.
>
> Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial
> amount. Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big,
> that's more than 5 percent.
>
> My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call,
> knowing the costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns
> all those years of trust.
>
> Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct
> interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain
> dust will drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure
> to a high viral count to even get symptomatic.
>
> Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Adam Moffett]

I "could" launch a satellite with a steam cannon.  It "could" deploy a 
big foil dish that fans out after it's in orbit and that "could" connect 
to a WRT-54G running Open-WRT in WDS repeater mode.  Bam! WiFi in the 
whole beamwidth of my dish.


I "could" use that to repeat the WiFi from my cellphone hotspot and 
share it with all 80 people.


These are completely workable plans.  Nothing physically stops this 
stuff from happening.  We "could" do them.


Actually with your balloon idea, why not tether a string of balloons to 
each other with figure-8 cable? FTTH by balloon.  That "could" be done 
too. Only the first balloon in the string needs an anchor, the rest are 
anchored to each other.  So simple, I wonder why Google didn't think of it.



On 10/9/2020 1:01 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Just build a fence around it in the crash zone.  Put a large UPS on it 
so it has enough power to land during a power outage.

*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 10:46 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

The word "could" is possibly the most dangerous one in the English 
language.  There's an infinite supply of insane stuff a person "could" do.


On 10/9/2020 11:40 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I’ll bet you could build a triangle out of magnesium.  Maybe with 8’ 
legs with ring at the end.  Hoist it with a large balloon.  Use the 
three rings for guy wires.  Run a small tube down a guy to replenish 
the helium.  Run power and Ethernet down another leg for the APs.

*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 9:29 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

Steve mentioned licensed links.  I don’t know if that’s “building 
back better” or if they had licensed links previously.


But you’re not going to put licensed links on a flying COW.  Even 
temporary unlicensed links may need to go on a permanent structure.  
The days when we’d feed a small site with an SM are over, and 
apparently this site has 80 subs.


As an indication how things have changed, when we got started in 
wireless, we gave every customer a backup dialup account. Of course 
that would be useless today, and we got out of dialup entirely in 
2009.  Even then, customers would drive into town to use free WiFi 
rather than use dialup.  They could maybe get 80 mobile hotspots and 
give them out to customers, I think on a business account they might 
be genuinely unlimited.  If they use Mikrotik CPE routers, there are 
several models with LTE built in, or get some Cradlepoints.  I like 
the mobile hotspots better because they could be repurposed more 
easily.  Once upon a time I would have said WiFi only with no 
Ethernet is a big problem, but most customers these days are 100% 
WiFi anyway.


*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 10:14 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

How high do you need to be for a 3 mile cell?

I wonder about a tethered drone.  Powered from the ground.  Or 
perhaps a balloon.  Not for this instant case but for the future. 
COWs that fly.  New company “Over the Moon”.


*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 8:48 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

I think Steve said it was a grain elevator or leg that got destroyed 
in a derecho wind storm.  I seem to remember he posted some photos.  
I’m not sure if they are deploying on a concrete silo at the same 
site or a different site.


We used to avoid grain legs and pay the rent to be on commercial 
towers, but everything is forcing all of us to shrink our cells from 
7-10 miles once upon a time to more like 3 miles today, so you really 
can’t avoid using whatever structures are available unless you want 
to build a lot of towers.  That said, we are on a 400 ft commercial 
tower with 5 licensed links and 10 sectors.  If that sucker blew 
over, I don’t know what we’d do, there are no nearby tall structures, 
and we couldn’t bring in a 300 ft COW and put all that stuff on it.  
Luckily the tower was reinforced to Rev. G and is unlikely to blow 
over, but stuff happens, I remember one tower fell down when a 
vehicle went off the road and snapped some guy wires.  And there was 
an old AT Long Lines tower in our area that blew over in a wind storm.


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 9:26 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

Or did the site actually fall over?

On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes
 wrote:



I am just kind of curious here if you lost the site why has it
been such a disaster getting it back on line? You couldn’t just
put new equipment up?

On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:05 AM, David Milholen
 wr

Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Jay Weekley]

A 53 year old classmate has been in the hospital for over a month. The 
status updates from this week were that he was off of the vent and able 
to sit in a chair for 10 minutes.


Jaime Solorza wrote:

We lost a relative's husband to it yesterday...31 years old...
Stay safe... don't listen to idiots, it kills.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 10:46 PM Steve Jones > wrote:


So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.
I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out.
I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last
weekend, I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days
before, his daughter tested positive the next day, his wife and
other daughter the day after that and he got sick wednesday.
Everybody is over symptoms (wife and daughter still have no taste
or smell, but that lasts a long time)
My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.

Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very
risk tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of
times, so I know it's not as easily spread as they say.
Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be
devastating.

Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial
amount. Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big,
that's more than 5 percent.

My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call,
knowing the costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns
all those years of trust.

Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct
interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain
dust will drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure
to a high viral count to even get symptomatic.

Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2




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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[chuck]

Just build a fence around it in the crash zone.  Put a large UPS on it so it 
has enough power to land during a power outage.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 10:46 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

The word "could" is possibly the most dangerous one in the English language.  
There's an infinite supply of insane stuff a person "could" do.


On 10/9/2020 11:40 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I’ll bet you could build a triangle out of magnesium.  Maybe with 8’ legs 
with ring at the end.  Hoist it with a large balloon.  Use the three rings for 
guy wires.  Run a small tube down a guy to replenish the helium.  Run power and 
Ethernet down another leg for the APs.  

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 9:29 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

  Steve mentioned licensed links.  I don’t know if that’s “building back 
better” or if they had licensed links previously.


  But you’re not going to put licensed links on a flying COW.  Even temporary 
unlicensed links may need to go on a permanent structure.  The days when we’d 
feed a small site with an SM are over, and apparently this site has 80 subs.


  As an indication how things have changed, when we got started in wireless, we 
gave every customer a backup dialup account.  Of course that would be useless 
today, and we got out of dialup entirely in 2009.  Even then, customers would 
drive into town to use free WiFi rather than use dialup.  They could maybe get 
80 mobile hotspots and give them out to customers, I think on a business 
account they might be genuinely unlimited.  If they use Mikrotik CPE routers, 
there are several models with LTE built in, or get some Cradlepoints.  I like 
the mobile hotspots better because they could be repurposed more easily.  Once 
upon a time I would have said WiFi only with no Ethernet is a big problem, but 
most customers these days are 100% WiFi anyway.


  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 10:14 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again


  How high do you need to be for a 3 mile cell?

  I wonder about a tethered drone.  Powered from the ground.  Or perhaps a 
balloon.  Not for this instant case but for the future.  COWs that fly.  New 
company “Over the Moon”.  


  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 8:48 AM

  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again


  I think Steve said it was a grain elevator or leg that got destroyed in a 
derecho wind storm.  I seem to remember he posted some photos.  I’m not sure if 
they are deploying on a concrete silo at the same site or a different site.


  We used to avoid grain legs and pay the rent to be on commercial towers, but 
everything is forcing all of us to shrink our cells from 7-10 miles once upon a 
time to more like 3 miles today, so you really can’t avoid using whatever 
structures are available unless you want to build a lot of towers.  That said, 
we are on a 400 ft commercial tower with 5 licensed links and 10 sectors.  If 
that sucker blew over, I don’t know what we’d do, there are no nearby tall 
structures, and we couldn’t bring in a 300 ft COW and put all that stuff on it. 
 Luckily the tower was reinforced to Rev. G and is unlikely to blow over, but 
stuff happens, I remember one tower fell down when a vehicle went off the road 
and snapped some guy wires.  And there was an old AT Long Lines tower in our 
area that blew over in a wind storm.



  From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
  Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 9:26 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again


  Or did the site actually fall over?


On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:



I am just kind of curious here if you lost the site why has it been such a 
disaster getting it back on line? You couldn’t just put new equipment up?


  On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:05 AM, David Milholen  wrote:

   

  All I can say to that situation is damn.. 

  Find new people... sheesh

  On 10/9/2020 12:19 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote 
site feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back online. 
They were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays, 5ghz 
interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment, new hardware failures, 
electricians running 220 to 110 circuits, contractors wife kidnapping a kid, if 
it could go wrong it did. The town has had meetings over this and we last 
promised to be production ready and problem free 2 weeks ago. At this point 
they're shopping our lease probably. We have a multi year breakout on the lease 
and can fix it, but in the interim they'll probably colocate a competitor. 
Ho

Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Adam Moffett]

The word "could" is possibly the most dangerous one in the English 
language.  There's an infinite supply of insane stuff a person "could" do.


On 10/9/2020 11:40 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I’ll bet you could build a triangle out of magnesium. Maybe with 8’ 
legs with ring at the end.  Hoist it with a large balloon.  Use the 
three rings for guy wires.  Run a small tube down a guy to replenish 
the helium.  Run power and Ethernet down another leg for the APs.

*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 9:29 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

Steve mentioned licensed links.  I don’t know if that’s “building back 
better” or if they had licensed links previously.


But you’re not going to put licensed links on a flying COW.  Even 
temporary unlicensed links may need to go on a permanent structure.  
The days when we’d feed a small site with an SM are over, and 
apparently this site has 80 subs.


As an indication how things have changed, when we got started in 
wireless, we gave every customer a backup dialup account.  Of course 
that would be useless today, and we got out of dialup entirely in 
2009.  Even then, customers would drive into town to use free WiFi 
rather than use dialup.  They could maybe get 80 mobile hotspots and 
give them out to customers, I think on a business account they might 
be genuinely unlimited.  If they use Mikrotik CPE routers, there are 
several models with LTE built in, or get some Cradlepoints.  I like 
the mobile hotspots better because they could be repurposed more 
easily.  Once upon a time I would have said WiFi only with no Ethernet 
is a big problem, but most customers these days are 100% WiFi anyway.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 10:14 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

How high do you need to be for a 3 mile cell?

I wonder about a tethered drone. Powered from the ground.  Or perhaps 
a balloon. Not for this instant case but for the future. COWs that 
fly.  New company “Over the Moon”.


*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 8:48 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

I think Steve said it was a grain elevator or leg that got destroyed 
in a derecho wind storm.  I seem to remember he posted some photos.  
I’m not sure if they are deploying on a concrete silo at the same site 
or a different site.


We used to avoid grain legs and pay the rent to be on commercial 
towers, but everything is forcing all of us to shrink our cells from 
7-10 miles once upon a time to more like 3 miles today, so you really 
can’t avoid using whatever structures are available unless you want to 
build a lot of towers.  That said, we are on a 400 ft commercial tower 
with 5 licensed links and 10 sectors.  If that sucker blew over, I 
don’t know what we’d do, there are no nearby tall structures, and we 
couldn’t bring in a 300 ft COW and put all that stuff on it.  Luckily 
the tower was reinforced to Rev. G and is unlikely to blow over, but 
stuff happens, I remember one tower fell down when a vehicle went off 
the road and snapped some guy wires.  And there was an old AT Long 
Lines tower in our area that blew over in a wind storm.


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 9:26 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

Or did the site actually fall over?

On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes
 wrote:



I am just kind of curious here if you lost the site why has it
been such a disaster getting it back on line? You couldn’t just
put new equipment up?

On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:05 AM, David Milholen
 wrote:



All I can say to that situation is damn..

Find new people... sheesh

On 10/9/2020 12:19 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is
a remote site feeding around 80 customers and has been a
shitshow getting back online. They were patient for a bit.
We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays, 5ghz
interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment,
new hardware failures, electricians running 220 to 110
circuits, contractors wife kidnapping a kid, if it could
go wrong it did. The town has had meetings over this and
we last promised to be production ready and problem free 2
weeks ago. At this point they're shopping our lease
probably. We have a multi year breakout on the lease and
can fix it, but in the interim they'll probably colocate a
competitor. Honestly, I cant blame them.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl
 wrote:

Can you clarify what you mean by &q

Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[chuck]

I’ll bet you could build a triangle out of magnesium.  Maybe with 8’ legs with 
ring at the end.  Hoist it with a large balloon.  Use the three rings for guy 
wires.  Run a small tube down a guy to replenish the helium.  Run power and 
Ethernet down another leg for the APs.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 9:29 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

Steve mentioned licensed links.  I don’t know if that’s “building back better” 
or if they had licensed links previously.

 

But you’re not going to put licensed links on a flying COW.  Even temporary 
unlicensed links may need to go on a permanent structure.  The days when we’d 
feed a small site with an SM are over, and apparently this site has 80 subs.

 

As an indication how things have changed, when we got started in wireless, we 
gave every customer a backup dialup account.  Of course that would be useless 
today, and we got out of dialup entirely in 2009.  Even then, customers would 
drive into town to use free WiFi rather than use dialup.  They could maybe get 
80 mobile hotspots and give them out to customers, I think on a business 
account they might be genuinely unlimited.  If they use Mikrotik CPE routers, 
there are several models with LTE built in, or get some Cradlepoints.  I like 
the mobile hotspots better because they could be repurposed more easily.  Once 
upon a time I would have said WiFi only with no Ethernet is a big problem, but 
most customers these days are 100% WiFi anyway.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 10:14 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

 

How high do you need to be for a 3 mile cell?

I wonder about a tethered drone.  Powered from the ground.  Or perhaps a 
balloon.  Not for this instant case but for the future.  COWs that fly.  New 
company “Over the Moon”.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 8:48 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

 

I think Steve said it was a grain elevator or leg that got destroyed in a 
derecho wind storm.  I seem to remember he posted some photos.  I’m not sure if 
they are deploying on a concrete silo at the same site or a different site.

 

We used to avoid grain legs and pay the rent to be on commercial towers, but 
everything is forcing all of us to shrink our cells from 7-10 miles once upon a 
time to more like 3 miles today, so you really can’t avoid using whatever 
structures are available unless you want to build a lot of towers.  That said, 
we are on a 400 ft commercial tower with 5 licensed links and 10 sectors.  If 
that sucker blew over, I don’t know what we’d do, there are no nearby tall 
structures, and we couldn’t bring in a 300 ft COW and put all that stuff on it. 
 Luckily the tower was reinforced to Rev. G and is unlikely to blow over, but 
stuff happens, I remember one tower fell down when a vehicle went off the road 
and snapped some guy wires.  And there was an old AT Long Lines tower in our 
area that blew over in a wind storm.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 9:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

 

Or did the site actually fall over?

 

  On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

  

  I am just kind of curious here if you lost the site why has it been such a 
disaster getting it back on line? You couldn’t just put new equipment up?

   

On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:05 AM, David Milholen  wrote:

 

All I can say to that situation is damn.. 

Find new people... sheesh

On 10/9/2020 12:19 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

  We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote site 
feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back online. They 
were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays, 5ghz 
interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment, new hardware failures, 
electricians running 220 to 110 circuits, contractors wife kidnapping a kid, if 
it could go wrong it did. The town has had meetings over this and we last 
promised to be production ready and problem free 2 weeks ago. At this point 
they're shopping our lease probably. We have a multi year breakout on the lease 
and can fix it, but in the interim they'll probably colocate a competitor. 
Honestly, I cant blame them. 

   

   

  On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl  
wrote:

Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"? 

 

Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or 
you'll lose 80 current customers if you don't do said work?

 

If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an extra 2 
weeks if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may go with a competitor 
but if they suck, they'll be back to you eventual

Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Ken Hohhof]

Steve mentioned licensed links.  I don’t know if that’s “building back better” 
or if they had licensed links previously.

 

But you’re not going to put licensed links on a flying COW.  Even temporary 
unlicensed links may need to go on a permanent structure.  The days when we’d 
feed a small site with an SM are over, and apparently this site has 80 subs.

 

As an indication how things have changed, when we got started in wireless, we 
gave every customer a backup dialup account.  Of course that would be useless 
today, and we got out of dialup entirely in 2009.  Even then, customers would 
drive into town to use free WiFi rather than use dialup.  They could maybe get 
80 mobile hotspots and give them out to customers, I think on a business 
account they might be genuinely unlimited.  If they use Mikrotik CPE routers, 
there are several models with LTE built in, or get some Cradlepoints.  I like 
the mobile hotspots better because they could be repurposed more easily.  Once 
upon a time I would have said WiFi only with no Ethernet is a big problem, but 
most customers these days are 100% WiFi anyway.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 10:14 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

 

How high do you need to be for a 3 mile cell?

I wonder about a tethered drone.  Powered from the ground.  Or perhaps a 
balloon.  Not for this instant case but for the future.  COWs that fly.  New 
company “Over the Moon”.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 8:48 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

 

I think Steve said it was a grain elevator or leg that got destroyed in a 
derecho wind storm.  I seem to remember he posted some photos.  I’m not sure if 
they are deploying on a concrete silo at the same site or a different site.

 

We used to avoid grain legs and pay the rent to be on commercial towers, but 
everything is forcing all of us to shrink our cells from 7-10 miles once upon a 
time to more like 3 miles today, so you really can’t avoid using whatever 
structures are available unless you want to build a lot of towers.  That said, 
we are on a 400 ft commercial tower with 5 licensed links and 10 sectors.  If 
that sucker blew over, I don’t know what we’d do, there are no nearby tall 
structures, and we couldn’t bring in a 300 ft COW and put all that stuff on it. 
 Luckily the tower was reinforced to Rev. G and is unlikely to blow over, but 
stuff happens, I remember one tower fell down when a vehicle went off the road 
and snapped some guy wires.  And there was an old AT Long Lines tower in our 
area that blew over in a wind storm.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 9:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

 

Or did the site actually fall over?

 

On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:



I am just kind of curious here if you lost the site why has it been such a 
disaster getting it back on line? You couldn’t just put new equipment up?

 

On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:05 AM, David Milholen mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com> > wrote:

 

All I can say to that situation is damn.. 

Find new people... sheesh

On 10/9/2020 12:19 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote site 
feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back online. They 
were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays, 5ghz 
interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment, new hardware failures, 
electricians running 220 to 110 circuits, contractors wife kidnapping a kid, if 
it could go wrong it did. The town has had meetings over this and we last 
promised to be production ready and problem free 2 weeks ago. At this point 
they're shopping our lease probably. We have a multi year breakout on the lease 
and can fix it, but in the interim they'll probably colocate a competitor. 
Honestly, I cant blame them. 

 

 

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote:

Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"? 

 

Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or you'll lose 
80 current customers if you don't do said work?

 

If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an extra 2 weeks 
if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may go with a competitor but if 
they suck, they'll be back to you eventually. We had people wait up to 5 weeks 
for an install when we were backed up from the COVID rush for service between 
March-August.

 

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:46 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.  

I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out. 

I'm behind as fuck wit

Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[chuck]

How high do you need to be for a 3 mile cell?
I wonder about a tethered drone.  Powered from the ground.  Or perhaps a 
balloon.  Not for this instant case but for the future.  COWs that fly.  New 
company “Over the Moon”.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 8:48 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

I think Steve said it was a grain elevator or leg that got destroyed in a 
derecho wind storm.  I seem to remember he posted some photos.  I’m not sure if 
they are deploying on a concrete silo at the same site or a different site.

 

We used to avoid grain legs and pay the rent to be on commercial towers, but 
everything is forcing all of us to shrink our cells from 7-10 miles once upon a 
time to more like 3 miles today, so you really can’t avoid using whatever 
structures are available unless you want to build a lot of towers.  That said, 
we are on a 400 ft commercial tower with 5 licensed links and 10 sectors.  If 
that sucker blew over, I don’t know what we’d do, there are no nearby tall 
structures, and we couldn’t bring in a 300 ft COW and put all that stuff on it. 
 Luckily the tower was reinforced to Rev. G and is unlikely to blow over, but 
stuff happens, I remember one tower fell down when a vehicle went off the road 
and snapped some guy wires.  And there was an old AT Long Lines tower in our 
area that blew over in a wind storm.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 9:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

 

Or did the site actually fall over?





  On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

  

  I am just kind of curious here if you lost the site why has it been such a 
disaster getting it back on line? You couldn’t just put new equipment up?





On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:05 AM, David Milholen  wrote:

 

All I can say to that situation is damn.. 

Find new people... sheesh

On 10/9/2020 12:19 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

  We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote site 
feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back online. They 
were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays, 5ghz 
interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment, new hardware failures, 
electricians running 220 to 110 circuits, contractors wife kidnapping a kid, if 
it could go wrong it did. The town has had meetings over this and we last 
promised to be production ready and problem free 2 weeks ago. At this point 
they're shopping our lease probably. We have a multi year breakout on the lease 
and can fix it, but in the interim they'll probably colocate a competitor. 
Honestly, I cant blame them. 

   

   

  On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl  
wrote:

Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"? 

 

Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or 
you'll lose 80 current customers if you don't do said work?

 

If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an extra 2 
weeks if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may go with a competitor 
but if they suck, they'll be back to you eventually. We had people wait up to 5 
weeks for an install when we were backed up from the COVID rush for service 
between March-August.

 

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:46 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:

  So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.  

  I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out. 

  I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last 
weekend, I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his 
daughter tested positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day 
after that and he got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and 
daughter still have no taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)

  My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.

   

  Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk 
tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I know it's 
not as easily spread as they say.

  Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be 
devastating.

   

  Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial 
amount. Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 
5 percent.

   

  My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing 
the costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of 
trust.

   

  Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct 
interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust will 
drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high viral count 
to even get s

Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[James Howard]

This is from the CDC website:

I think or know I had COVID-19, and I had symptoms
You can be around others after:

  *   10 days since symptoms first appeared and
  *   24 hours with no fever without the use of fever-reducing medications and
  *   Other symptoms of COVID-19 are improving*
*Loss of taste and smell may persist for weeks or months after recovery and 
need not delay the end of isolation​

So if you follow their guidelines, he should probably wait 10 days from when 
his symptoms appeared…..


From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 11:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] The covid, again

So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.
I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out.
I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last weekend, I've 
been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his daughter tested 
positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day after that and he 
got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and daughter still have no 
taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)
My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.

Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk tolerant, 
and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I know it's not as 
easily spread as they say.
Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be devastating.

Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial amount. Like 
80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 5 percent.

My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing the costs 
like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of trust.

Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct interaction. 
But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust will drop anything 
airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high viral count to even get 
symptomatic.

Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2





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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Ken Hohhof]

I think Steve said it was a grain elevator or leg that got destroyed in a 
derecho wind storm.  I seem to remember he posted some photos.  I’m not sure if 
they are deploying on a concrete silo at the same site or a different site.

 

We used to avoid grain legs and pay the rent to be on commercial towers, but 
everything is forcing all of us to shrink our cells from 7-10 miles once upon a 
time to more like 3 miles today, so you really can’t avoid using whatever 
structures are available unless you want to build a lot of towers.  That said, 
we are on a 400 ft commercial tower with 5 licensed links and 10 sectors.  If 
that sucker blew over, I don’t know what we’d do, there are no nearby tall 
structures, and we couldn’t bring in a 300 ft COW and put all that stuff on it. 
 Luckily the tower was reinforced to Rev. G and is unlikely to blow over, but 
stuff happens, I remember one tower fell down when a vehicle went off the road 
and snapped some guy wires.  And there was an old AT Long Lines tower in our 
area that blew over in a wind storm.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 9:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

 

Or did the site actually fall over?





On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:



I am just kind of curious here if you lost the site why has it been such a 
disaster getting it back on line? You couldn’t just put new equipment up?





On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:05 AM, David Milholen mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com> > wrote:

 

All I can say to that situation is damn.. 

Find new people... sheesh

On 10/9/2020 12:19 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote site 
feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back online. They 
were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays, 5ghz 
interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment, new hardware failures, 
electricians running 220 to 110 circuits, contractors wife kidnapping a kid, if 
it could go wrong it did. The town has had meetings over this and we last 
promised to be production ready and problem free 2 weeks ago. At this point 
they're shopping our lease probably. We have a multi year breakout on the lease 
and can fix it, but in the interim they'll probably colocate a competitor. 
Honestly, I cant blame them. 

 

 

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote:

Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"? 

 

Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or you'll lose 
80 current customers if you don't do said work?

 

If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an extra 2 weeks 
if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may go with a competitor but if 
they suck, they'll be back to you eventually. We had people wait up to 5 weeks 
for an install when we were backed up from the COVID rush for service between 
March-August.

 

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:46 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.  

I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out. 

I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last weekend, I've 
been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his daughter tested 
positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day after that and he 
got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and daughter still have no 
taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)

My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.

 

Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk tolerant, 
and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I know it's not as 
easily spread as they say.

Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be devastating.

 

Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial amount. Like 
80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 5 percent.

 

My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing the costs 
like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of trust.

 

Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct interaction. 
But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust will drop anything 
airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high viral count to even get 
symptomatic.

 

Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2

 

 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Matt Hoppes]

We call them covidiots 

> On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> 
> We lost a relative's husband to it yesterday...31 years old...
> Stay safe... don't listen to idiots, it kills.
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 10:46 PM Steve Jones  wrote:
>> So, I have a probable covid positive contractor. 
>> I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out. 
>> I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last weekend, I've 
>> been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his daughter tested 
>> positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day after that and he 
>> got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and daughter still have 
>> no taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)
>> My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.
>> 
>> Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk 
>> tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I know 
>> it's not as easily spread as they say.
>> Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be devastating.
>> 
>> Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial amount. 
>> Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 5 
>> percent.
>> 
>> My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing the 
>> costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of trust.
>> 
>> Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct 
>> interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust will 
>> drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high viral 
>> count to even get symptomatic.
>> 
>> Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Matt Hoppes]

I am just kind of curious here if you lost the site why has it been such a 
disaster getting it back on line? You couldn’t just put new equipment up?

> On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:05 AM, David Milholen  wrote:
> 
> 
> All I can say to that situation is damn.. 
> 
> Find new people... sheesh
> 
> On 10/9/2020 12:19 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote site 
>> feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back online. 
>> They were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays, 
>> 5ghz interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment, new hardware 
>> failures, electricians running 220 to 110 circuits, contractors wife 
>> kidnapping a kid, if it could go wrong it did. The town has had meetings 
>> over this and we last promised to be production ready and problem free 2 
>> weeks ago. At this point they're shopping our lease probably. We have a 
>> multi year breakout on the lease and can fix it, but in the interim they'll 
>> probably colocate a competitor. Honestly, I cant blame them.
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl  wrote:
>>> Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"?
>>> 
>>> Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or you'll 
>>> lose 80 current customers if you don't do said work?
>>> 
>>> If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an extra 2 
>>> weeks if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may go with a 
>>> competitor but if they suck, they'll be back to you eventually. We had 
>>> people wait up to 5 weeks for an install when we were backed up from the 
>>> COVID rush for service between March-August.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:46 PM Steve Jones  
>>> wrote:
 So, I have a probable covid positive contractor. 
 I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out. 
 I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last weekend, 
 I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his daughter 
 tested positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day after 
 that and he got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and 
 daughter still have no taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)
 My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.
 
 Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk 
 tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I know 
 it's not as easily spread as they say.
 Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be devastating.
 
 Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial amount. 
 Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 5 
 percent.
 
 My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing the 
 costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of 
 trust.
 
 Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct 
 interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust 
 will drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high 
 viral count to even get symptomatic.
 
 Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2
 
 
 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Jaime Solorza]

We lost a relative's husband to it yesterday...31 years old...
Stay safe... don't listen to idiots, it kills.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 10:46 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.
> I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out.
> I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last weekend,
> I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his daughter
> tested positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day after
> that and he got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and
> daughter still have no taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)
> My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.
>
> Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk
> tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I know
> it's not as easily spread as they say.
> Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be devastating.
>
> Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial amount.
> Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 5
> percent.
>
> My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing the
> costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of
> trust.
>
> Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct
> interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust
> will drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high
> viral count to even get symptomatic.
>
> Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Matt Hoppes]

Or did the site actually fall over?

> On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I am just kind of curious here if you lost the site why has it been such a 
> disaster getting it back on line? You couldn’t just put new equipment up?
> 
>>> On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:05 AM, David Milholen  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> All I can say to that situation is damn.. 
>> 
>> Find new people... sheesh
>> 
>> On 10/9/2020 12:19 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>> We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote site 
>>> feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back online. 
>>> They were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays, 
>>> 5ghz interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment, new hardware 
>>> failures, electricians running 220 to 110 circuits, contractors wife 
>>> kidnapping a kid, if it could go wrong it did. The town has had meetings 
>>> over this and we last promised to be production ready and problem free 2 
>>> weeks ago. At this point they're shopping our lease probably. We have a 
>>> multi year breakout on the lease and can fix it, but in the interim they'll 
>>> probably colocate a competitor. Honestly, I cant blame them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl  wrote:
 Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"?
 
 Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or you'll 
 lose 80 current customers if you don't do said work?
 
 If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an extra 2 
 weeks if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may go with a 
 competitor but if they suck, they'll be back to you eventually. We had 
 people wait up to 5 weeks for an install when we were backed up from the 
 COVID rush for service between March-August.
 
 On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:46 PM Steve Jones  
 wrote:
> So, I have a probable covid positive contractor. 
> I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out. 
> I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last weekend, 
> I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his daughter 
> tested positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day after 
> that and he got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and 
> daughter still have no taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)
> My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.
> 
> Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk 
> tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I 
> know it's not as easily spread as they say.
> Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be 
> devastating.
> 
> Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial amount. 
> Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 5 
> percent.
> 
> My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing the 
> costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of 
> trust.
> 
> Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct 
> interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust 
> will drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high 
> viral count to even get symptomatic.
> 
> Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[David Milholen]

All I can say to that situation is damn..

Find new people... sheesh

On 10/9/2020 12:19 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote 
site feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back 
online. They were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new 
lease delays, 5ghz interference, multiple licensed links, wrong 
equipment, new hardware failures, electricians running 220 to 110 
circuits, contractors wife kidnapping a kid, if it could go wrong it 
did. The town has had meetings over this and we last promised to be 
production ready and problem free 2 weeks ago. At this point they're 
shopping our lease probably. We have a multi year breakout on the 
lease and can fix it, but in the interim they'll probably colocate a 
competitor. Honestly, I cant blame them.



On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl > wrote:


Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"?

Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or
you'll lose 80 current customers if you don't do said work?

If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an
extra 2 weeks if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may
go with a competitor but if they suck, they'll be back to you
eventually. We had people wait up to 5 weeks for an install when
we were backed up from the COVID rush for service between
March-August.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:46 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.
I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out.
I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last
weekend, I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days
before, his daughter tested positive the next day, his wife
and other daughter the day after that and he got sick
wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and daughter still
have no taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)
My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.

Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very
risk tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of
times, so I know it's not as easily spread as they say.
Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be
devastating.

Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a
substantial amount. Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We
arent big, that's more than 5 percent.

My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call,
knowing the costs like this, he will back my call, but it
burns all those years of trust.

Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero
direct interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid
harvest. Grain dust will drop anything airborne like a rock.
It takes an exposure to a high viral count to even get
symptomatic.

Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2




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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Ken Hohhof]

There were people in Iowa without POWER for a week after that storm.  You get a 
portable generator.  Just like you get a mobile hotspot.  People are too 
demanding.  Freakin’ Karens everywhere.

 

The idea of bringing in a crew if possible does make sense.  Or see if adjacent 
WISPs can help out, like an old fashioned barn raising.

 

We’re not really answering Steve’s question, whether to have the Covid positive 
tech work.  That’s assuming he is even well enough to work.  I am not a lawyer 
and can’t really comment.  Common sense would say outdoors not near anyone else 
would be OK, but common sense doesn’t keep you from getting sued, or from 
remorse if someone actually did catch it from him.

 

Sounds like work that would require a second person, if only for safety.  
Steve, are you suggesting that you would take the risk and be the second person 
yourself?  Not sure that’s a reasonable risk, what if you get Covid and have to 
isolate, now the company is really screwed.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 8:08 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

 

That sounds far too long to restore service. Not knowing your full situation, 
they would expect service after a storm to be restored within a week max. If 
it's going over 2 months, that's dropping the ball.

 

Do temporary things to get them online like a COW or bucket truck with genny 
and battery power as backup. This gets over lease and power issues at least 
until the permanent setup can be built properly. 

 

They should be mad and looking at another provider if 2 months doesn't yield 
results. We would have lost all 80 customers after a week if we didn't fix 
service. People are very demanding with their internet now. 

 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 12:20 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote site 
feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back online. They 
were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays, 5ghz 
interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment, new hardware failures, 
electricians running 220 to 110 circuits, contractors wife kidnapping a kid, if 
it could go wrong it did. The town has had meetings over this and we last 
promised to be production ready and problem free 2 weeks ago. At this point 
they're shopping our lease probably. We have a multi year breakout on the lease 
and can fix it, but in the interim they'll probably colocate a competitor. 
Honestly, I cant blame them.

 

 

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote:

Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"?

 

Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or you'll lose 
80 current customers if you don't do said work?

 

If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an extra 2 weeks 
if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may go with a competitor but if 
they suck, they'll be back to you eventually. We had people wait up to 5 weeks 
for an install when we were backed up from the COVID rush for service between 
March-August.

 

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:46 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

So, I have a probable covid positive contractor. 

I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out. 

I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last weekend, I've 
been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his daughter tested 
positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day after that and he 
got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and daughter still have no 
taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)

My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.

 

Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk tolerant, 
and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I know it's not as 
easily spread as they say.

Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be devastating.

 

Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial amount. Like 
80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 5 percent.

 

My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing the costs 
like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of trust.

 

Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct interaction. 
But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust will drop anything 
airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high viral count to even get 
symptomatic.

 

Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2

 

 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Joe Novak]

Do you want names of other contractors that aren't far from northern
Illinois that can maybe send a crew to you? It may be a little bit more
expensive, but it really doesn't sound like a good situation.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 12:20 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote site
> feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back online.
> They were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays,
> 5ghz interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment, new hardware
> failures, electricians running 220 to 110 circuits, contractors wife
> kidnapping a kid, if it could go wrong it did. The town has had meetings
> over this and we last promised to be production ready and problem free 2
> weeks ago. At this point they're shopping our lease probably. We have a
> multi year breakout on the lease and can fix it, but in the interim they'll
> probably colocate a competitor. Honestly, I cant blame them.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
>> Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"?
>>
>> Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or you'll
>> lose 80 current customers if you don't do said work?
>>
>> If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an extra 2
>> weeks if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may go with a
>> competitor but if they suck, they'll be back to you eventually. We had
>> people wait up to 5 weeks for an install when we were backed up from the
>> COVID rush for service between March-August.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:46 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.
>>> I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out.
>>> I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last weekend,
>>> I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his daughter
>>> tested positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day after
>>> that and he got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and
>>> daughter still have no taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)
>>> My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.
>>>
>>> Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk
>>> tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I know
>>> it's not as easily spread as they say.
>>> Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be
>>> devastating.
>>>
>>> Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial amount.
>>> Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 5
>>> percent.
>>>
>>> My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing the
>>> costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of
>>> trust.
>>>
>>> Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct
>>> interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust
>>> will drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high
>>> viral count to even get symptomatic.
>>>
>>> Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Darin Steffl]

That sounds far too long to restore service. Not knowing your full
situation, they would expect service after a storm to be restored within a
week max. If it's going over 2 months, that's dropping the ball.

Do temporary things to get them online like a COW or bucket truck with
genny and battery power as backup. This gets over lease and power issues at
least until the permanent setup can be built properly.

They should be mad and looking at another provider if 2 months doesn't
yield results. We would have lost all 80 customers after a week if we
didn't fix service. People are very demanding with their internet now.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 12:20 AM Steve Jones  wrote:

> We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote site
> feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back online.
> They were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays,
> 5ghz interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment, new hardware
> failures, electricians running 220 to 110 circuits, contractors wife
> kidnapping a kid, if it could go wrong it did. The town has had meetings
> over this and we last promised to be production ready and problem free 2
> weeks ago. At this point they're shopping our lease probably. We have a
> multi year breakout on the lease and can fix it, but in the interim they'll
> probably colocate a competitor. Honestly, I cant blame them.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
>> Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"?
>>
>> Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or you'll
>> lose 80 current customers if you don't do said work?
>>
>> If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an extra 2
>> weeks if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may go with a
>> competitor but if they suck, they'll be back to you eventually. We had
>> people wait up to 5 weeks for an install when we were backed up from the
>> COVID rush for service between March-August.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:46 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.
>>> I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out.
>>> I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last weekend,
>>> I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his daughter
>>> tested positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day after
>>> that and he got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and
>>> daughter still have no taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)
>>> My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.
>>>
>>> Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk
>>> tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I know
>>> it's not as easily spread as they say.
>>> Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be
>>> devastating.
>>>
>>> Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial amount.
>>> Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 5
>>> percent.
>>>
>>> My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing the
>>> costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of
>>> trust.
>>>
>>> Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct
>>> interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust
>>> will drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high
>>> viral count to even get symptomatic.
>>>
>>> Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Steve Jones]

We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote site
feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back online.
They were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays,
5ghz interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment, new hardware
failures, electricians running 220 to 110 circuits, contractors wife
kidnapping a kid, if it could go wrong it did. The town has had meetings
over this and we last promised to be production ready and problem free 2
weeks ago. At this point they're shopping our lease probably. We have a
multi year breakout on the lease and can fix it, but in the interim they'll
probably colocate a competitor. Honestly, I cant blame them.


On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl  wrote:

> Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"?
>
> Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or you'll
> lose 80 current customers if you don't do said work?
>
> If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an extra 2
> weeks if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may go with a
> competitor but if they suck, they'll be back to you eventually. We had
> people wait up to 5 weeks for an install when we were backed up from the
> COVID rush for service between March-August.
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:46 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.
>> I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out.
>> I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last weekend,
>> I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his daughter
>> tested positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day after
>> that and he got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and
>> daughter still have no taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)
>> My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.
>>
>> Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk
>> tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I know
>> it's not as easily spread as they say.
>> Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be
>> devastating.
>>
>> Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial amount.
>> Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 5
>> percent.
>>
>> My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing the
>> costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of
>> trust.
>>
>> Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct
>> interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust
>> will drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high
>> viral count to even get symptomatic.
>>
>> Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Darin Steffl]

Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"?

Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or you'll
lose 80 current customers if you don't do said work?

If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an extra 2
weeks if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may go with a
competitor but if they suck, they'll be back to you eventually. We had
people wait up to 5 weeks for an install when we were backed up from the
COVID rush for service between March-August.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:46 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.
> I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out.
> I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last weekend,
> I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his daughter
> tested positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day after
> that and he got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and
> daughter still have no taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)
> My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.
>
> Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk
> tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I know
> it's not as easily spread as they say.
> Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be devastating.
>
> Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial amount.
> Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 5
> percent.
>
> My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing the
> costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of
> trust.
>
> Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct
> interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust
> will drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high
> viral count to even get symptomatic.
>
> Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2
>
>
>
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[AFMUG] The covid, again

[Steve Jones]

So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.
I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out.
I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last weekend,
I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his daughter
tested positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day after
that and he got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and
daughter still have no taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)
My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.

Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk
tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I know
it's not as easily spread as they say.
Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be devastating.

Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial amount.
Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 5
percent.

My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing the
costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of
trust.

Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct
interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust
will drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high
viral count to even get symptomatic.

Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2
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