Re: [AFMUG] DS-2CE16D5T-(A)VFIT3 - Turbo HD Camera - Hikvision
Sorry...these are the ones I am installing that client provided. I will get u info on the higher resolution ones later today. Jaime Solorza On Dec 11, 2014 11:39 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’m looking at them right now. I’m looking for the higher resolution still mode but don’t see it. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza via Af *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 7:27 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* [AFMUG] DS-2CE16D5T-(A)VFIT3 - Turbo HD Camera - Hikvision http://www.hikvision.com/europe/Products_show.asp?id=9899 These are the ones I am installing plus some PTZ Domes... Jaime Solorza
[AFMUG] FS: netonix WISP switch 400B
I have a brand new netonix wisp switch 400b for sale, only reason I am selling is I thought it was a 48v on all ports instead of just half of them. Price is $425 including shipping. email k...@wavleinc.com Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] PTP600 / 650 Power supply - Are they compatible?
Gino, We don't recommend interchanging these power injectors between the version used with the PTP 650 and the version used with the PTP 600. Pinout and voltage level -wise they are the same. However, there are two key differences: 1. PTP 650 AC+DC Power Injector can source more power (~70W) to allow an 802.3at PoE output on the PTP 650 AUX port. 2. The PTP 650 AC+DC power injector doesn't have the pushbutton switch used to put the PTP 600 into recovery mode. Instead the PTP 650 uses a power cycle sequence to place the radio into recovery mode. Regards, Bruce Product Manager Cambium Networks From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 11:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] PTP600 / 650 Power supply - Are they compatible? Can I use a PTP600 PS with a PTP 650 unit and vice versa? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] OT Scientists pick up strange signals that may point to dark matter’s existence | General News
My luck: SYN 50 years pass NAK From: Eric Kuhnke via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 6:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]OT Scientists pick up strange signals that may point to dark matter’s existence | General News SYN 50 years pass ACK On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: SPACE CONTROL TO EARTH http://www.betawired.com/scientists-pick-up-strange-signals-that-may-point-to-dark-matters-existence/1422255/ Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] OT Scientists pick up strange signals that may point to dark matter’s existence | General News
Lol!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 12, 2014 10:23 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: My luck: SYN 50 years pass NAK *From:* Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 6:26 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]OT Scientists pick up strange signals that may point to dark matter’s existence | General News SYN 50 years pass ACK On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: SPACE CONTROL TO EARTH http://www.betawired.com/scientists-pick-up-strange-signals-that-may-point-to-dark-matters-existence/1422255/ Jaime Solorza
[AFMUG] Animal Farm Coming Soon!
Re: [AFMUG] PTP600 / 650 Power supply - Are they compatible?
Bruce, thanks! Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Dec 12, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Bruce Collins via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Gino, We don’t recommend interchanging these power injectors between the version used with the PTP 650 and the version used with the PTP 600. Pinout and voltage level –wise they are the same. However, there are two key differences: 1. PTP 650 AC+DC Power Injector can source more power (~70W) to allow an 802.3at PoE output on the PTP 650 AUX port. 2. The PTP 650 AC+DC power injector doesn’t have the pushbutton switch used to put the PTP 600 into recovery mode. Instead the PTP 650 uses a power cycle sequence to place the radio into recovery mode. Regards, Bruce Product Manager Cambium Networks From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 11:03 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] PTP600 / 650 Power supply - Are they compatible? Can I use a PTP600 PS with a PTP 650 unit and vice versa? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
[AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths
Weve never gone above 2' we finished installing our 11ghz link yesterday and had the antennas rough aligned, one side is 3' one side is 4'. I expected the tighter patterns would make it harder to find the initial link but they actually linked up right off the bat and it was right on the projected power levels. This is only 10 miles, so we have visual on the path. We did a little rough alignment yesterday, and will do the fine alignment today. when we we roughing it there was a good amount of travel on the antenna (4') side we were on and only a couple db change. do larger antennas on such a short path give you a little more leniency in alignment or something? we will do full horizontal and vertical panning today to make sure we arent in side lobes, just curious is there is more slop in this scenario. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths
Sounds like you got lucky. If you're at the projected signal you're done. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:50 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Weve never gone above 2' we finished installing our 11ghz link yesterday and had the antennas rough aligned, one side is 3' one side is 4'. I expected the tighter patterns would make it harder to find the initial link but they actually linked up right off the bat and it was right on the projected power levels. This is only 10 miles, so we have visual on the path. We did a little rough alignment yesterday, and will do the fine alignment today. when we we roughing it there was a good amount of travel on the antenna (4') side we were on and only a couple db change. do larger antennas on such a short path give you a little more leniency in alignment or something? we will do full horizontal and vertical panning today to make sure we arent in side lobes, just curious is there is more slop in this scenario. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
[AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.3.3 available now
ePMP Release 2.3.3 is now posted on the Cambium support site @ https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp/ This is a point release that addresses the AP accessibility issue from a different subnet. All other features introduced in R2.3.1 are still available. Thanks Sakid
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.3.3 available now
Are you saying that bug still exists in 2.3.3 from 2.3.1 (accessing the radio from a different subnet)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Sakid Ahmed via Af af@afmug.com wrote: ePMP Release 2.3.3 is now posted on the Cambium support site @ https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp/ This is a point release that addresses the AP accessibility issue from a different subnet. All other features introduced in R2.3.1 are still available. Thanks Sakid
Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths
Nope, a 4 ft dish in 11 GHz should be pretty narrow, a few degrees and you should be into a deep, deep null. Take a look at the beamwidth or pattern for your antenna. It should be similar to an 8 ft dish in 5.x GHz. We once used an existing 12 ft dish for an 11 GHz link and I kept having to tell the tower guy he was not going to be able to eyeball it. The beamwidth was something like 1 degree if I remember right. He ketp getting nada for signal until I made him slowly sweep the azimuth. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths Weve never gone above 2' we finished installing our 11ghz link yesterday and had the antennas rough aligned, one side is 3' one side is 4'. I expected the tighter patterns would make it harder to find the initial link but they actually linked up right off the bat and it was right on the projected power levels. This is only 10 miles, so we have visual on the path. We did a little rough alignment yesterday, and will do the fine alignment today. when we we roughing it there was a good amount of travel on the antenna (4') side we were on and only a couple db change. do larger antennas on such a short path give you a little more leniency in alignment or something? we will do full horizontal and vertical panning today to make sure we arent in side lobes, just curious is there is more slop in this scenario. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.3.3 available now
No, they fixed it From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:15 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.3.3 available now Are you saying that bug still exists in 2.3.3 from 2.3.1 (accessing the radio from a different subnet)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Sakid Ahmed via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: ePMP Release 2.3.3 is now posted on the Cambium support site @ https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp/ This is a point release that addresses the AP accessibility issue from a different subnet. All other features introduced in R2.3.1 are still available. Thanks Sakid
Re: [AFMUG] FS: netonix WISP switch 400B
Congrats, first wispswitch to trade hands after sale. You're the proud owner of that record, way to read the data sheet =) J/K! On December 12, 2014 6:03:55 AM AKST, Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have a brand new netonix wisp switch 400b for sale, only reason I am selling is I thought it was a 48v on all ports instead of just half of them. Price is $425 including shipping. email k...@wavleinc.com Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] FS: netonix WISP switch 400B
LOL. I wish I could buy it from you right now. I love the one I have and intend to get many more. -Ty On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:27 AM, josh--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Congrats, first wispswitch to trade hands after sale. You're the proud owner of that record, way to read the data sheet =) J/K! On December 12, 2014 6:03:55 AM AKST, Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have a brand new netonix wisp switch 400b for sale, only reason I am selling is I thought it was a 48v on all ports instead of just half of them. Price is $425 including shipping. email k...@wavleinc.com Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths
I wouldn't exactly call a 10 mile link in 11 GHz a short link.
We have a similar link (almost exactly the same distance and same size
dishes). You may have gotten lucky. We got ours close enough that we
knew we weren't on side lobes, but if the signal level is per spec, you
got it done.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/12/2014 7:50 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
Weve never gone above 2'
we finished installing our 11ghz link yesterday and had the antennas
rough aligned, one side is 3' one side is 4'. I expected the tighter
patterns would make it harder to find the initial link but they
actually linked up right off the bat and it was right on the projected
power levels.
This is only 10 miles, so we have visual on the path.
We did a little rough alignment yesterday, and will do the fine
alignment today. when we we roughing it there was a good amount of
travel on the antenna (4') side we were on and only a couple db
change. do larger antennas on such a short path give you a little more
leniency in alignment or something? we will do full horizontal and
vertical panning today to make sure we arent in side lobes, just
curious is there is more slop in this scenario.
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if
you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all
means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
[AFMUG] FS: 5.2 FSK SM's
I have a lot of 5.2 Canopy P9 and P10's for sale. $25 each. Up to 40 of them. Sam -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths
these are 1.6 and 1.8 degree On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Nope, a 4 ft dish in 11 GHz should be pretty narrow, a few degrees and you should be into a deep, deep null. Take a look at the beamwidth or pattern for your antenna. It should be similar to an 8 ft dish in 5.x GHz. We once used an existing 12 ft dish for an 11 GHz link and I kept having to tell the tower guy he was not going to be able to eyeball it. The beamwidth was something like 1 degree if I remember right. He ketp getting nada for signal until I made him slowly sweep the azimuth. *From:* That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 9:50 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths Weve never gone above 2' we finished installing our 11ghz link yesterday and had the antennas rough aligned, one side is 3' one side is 4'. I expected the tighter patterns would make it harder to find the initial link but they actually linked up right off the bat and it was right on the projected power levels. This is only 10 miles, so we have visual on the path. We did a little rough alignment yesterday, and will do the fine alignment today. when we we roughing it there was a good amount of travel on the antenna (4') side we were on and only a couple db change. do larger antennas on such a short path give you a little more leniency in alignment or something? we will do full horizontal and vertical panning today to make sure we arent in side lobes, just curious is there is more slop in this scenario. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
[AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-br inging-the-8k-love Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Kudos for your favorite vendor
Tre does that a lot it seems, made my job the other week easy peasy =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Rex-List Account via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Just wanted to give a public shout out for Tre and all the gang at Last Mile Gear. If you have never used them you really should. Great products and Excellent service! Tre bailed me out of a jam again this morning. Thanks Tre! Rex ME Broadband
Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths
HPBW for a 12 ft dish at 11.2 GHz is 0.5 degree. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:17 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths Nope, a 4 ft dish in 11 GHz should be pretty narrow, a few degrees and you should be into a deep, deep null. Take a look at the beamwidth or pattern for your antenna. It should be similar to an 8 ft dish in 5.x GHz. We once used an existing 12 ft dish for an 11 GHz link and I kept having to tell the tower guy he was not going to be able to eyeball it. The beamwidth was something like 1 degree if I remember right. He ketp getting nada for signal until I made him slowly sweep the azimuth. From: That One Guy via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:50 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths Weve never gone above 2' we finished installing our 11ghz link yesterday and had the antennas rough aligned, one side is 3' one side is 4'. I expected the tighter patterns would make it harder to find the initial link but they actually linked up right off the bat and it was right on the projected power levels. This is only 10 miles, so we have visual on the path. We did a little rough alignment yesterday, and will do the fine alignment today. when we we roughing it there was a good amount of travel on the antenna (4') side we were on and only a couple db change. do larger antennas on such a short path give you a little more leniency in alignment or something? we will do full horizontal and vertical panning today to make sure we arent in side lobes, just curious is there is more slop in this scenario. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Kudos for your favorite vendor
Can't say enough good things about Last Mile Gear. Those guys have helped us out countless times. Tre makes my orders much easier than they should be. Probably the only vendor I actually take calls from lol. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Tre does that a lot it seems, made my job the other week easy peasy =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Rex-List Account via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Just wanted to give a public shout out for Tre and all the gang at Last Mile Gear. If you have never used them you really should. Great products and Excellent service! Tre bailed me out of a jam again this morning. Thanks Tre! Rex ME Broadband
Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
Yeah, LG wants to get in front with this. However for the record, what is being called 4k is really 2k or UHD. The marketing departments decided that they no longer wanted to follow tradition of counting horizontal lines. There are way more vertical lines, let's count those! Bugs me to no end LOL From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-bringi ng-the-8k-love Rory
Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths
Yeah, it was so considerate of ATT to leave that dish up there when they sold off the site, only needed to be re-aimed about 2 degrees to go where we wanted. And they built a platform to stand on while aiming it, that was awfully nice of them. And they left the flexible waveguide down to the shelter. I’d really hate to think about hanging a new 12 ft dish ourselves and running waveguide to it. And it’s an Andrew parabolic, not the old WE horns, so we don’t have to worry about water getting into the waveguide and freezing. It doesn’t even look like anyone has been using the lightning bolt logo for target practice. Life is good when someone abandons nice stuff you can use. From: Hardy, Tim via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:18 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths HPBW for a 12 ft dish at 11.2 GHz is 0.5 degree. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:17 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths Nope, a 4 ft dish in 11 GHz should be pretty narrow, a few degrees and you should be into a deep, deep null. Take a look at the beamwidth or pattern for your antenna. It should be similar to an 8 ft dish in 5.x GHz. We once used an existing 12 ft dish for an 11 GHz link and I kept having to tell the tower guy he was not going to be able to eyeball it. The beamwidth was something like 1 degree if I remember right. He ketp getting nada for signal until I made him slowly sweep the azimuth. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths Weve never gone above 2' we finished installing our 11ghz link yesterday and had the antennas rough aligned, one side is 3' one side is 4'. I expected the tighter patterns would make it harder to find the initial link but they actually linked up right off the bat and it was right on the projected power levels. This is only 10 miles, so we have visual on the path. We did a little rough alignment yesterday, and will do the fine alignment today. when we we roughing it there was a good amount of travel on the antenna (4') side we were on and only a couple db change. do larger antennas on such a short path give you a little more leniency in alignment or something? we will do full horizontal and vertical panning today to make sure we arent in side lobes, just curious is there is more slop in this scenario. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
NHK's 8K OTA test has a bitrate of something like 93 Mbps, that includes the FEC... http://www.nhk.or.jp/strl/english/data/20140203.pdf On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-bringing-the-8k-love Rory
Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
They used Ultra-multilevel OFDM 2048QAM -AND- dual-polarized MIMO... damn. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:37:42 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K NHK's 8K OTA test has a bitrate of something like 93 Mbps, that includes the FEC... http://www.nhk.or.jp/strl/english/data/20140203.pdf On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-bringing-the-8k-love Rory
Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
If 8K transmission will really need dual pol yagis on home rooftops for OTA, I predict a surge in 800 MHz dual pol yagi manufacturing On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: They used Ultra-multilevel OFDM 2048QAM -AND- dual-polarized MIMO... damn. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:37:42 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K NHK's 8K OTA test has a bitrate of something like 93 Mbps, that includes the FEC... http://www.nhk.or.jp/strl/english/data/20140203.pdf On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-bringing-the-8k-love Rory
Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
I think the other parameter is 120 Hz refresh, right? But remember all the complaining about Peter Jackson shooting in 48fps and making it impossible to “suspend disbelief”? And remember how TV shows had to rebuild their sets and talking heads needed more makeup and Botox and pimple cream for 1080p? Are they going to freak out again for 4K/8K where dust particles will be visible on someone’s nose? And how much content will really, really be shot in 4K/8K and 120Hz? Rather than upscaled and interpolated? They say a new generation of Blu-ray discs for 4K should be available in about a year. From: Jerry Richardson via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K Yeah, LG wants to get in front with this… However for the record, what is being called 4k is really 2k or UHD. The marketing departments decided that they no longer wanted to follow tradition of counting horizontal lines. There are way more vertical lines, let’s count those! Bugs me to no end LOL From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-bringing-the-8k-love Rory
Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
How much content will really be shot in 4K? All of the Red digital video cameras record in 4K, the newer ones in 4K 60fps. Red cameras are common in Vancouver even on low-budget movie productions these days. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think the other parameter is 120 Hz refresh, right? But remember all the complaining about Peter Jackson shooting in 48fps and making it impossible to “suspend disbelief”? And remember how TV shows had to rebuild their sets and talking heads needed more makeup and Botox and pimple cream for 1080p? Are they going to freak out again for 4K/8K where dust particles will be visible on someone’s nose? And how much content will really, really be shot in 4K/8K and 120Hz? Rather than upscaled and interpolated? They say a new generation of Blu-ray discs for 4K should be available in about a year. *From:* Jerry Richardson via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 11:31 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K Yeah, LG wants to get in front with this… However for the record, what is being called 4k is really 2k or UHD. The marketing departments decided that they no longer wanted to follow tradition of counting horizontal lines. There are way more vertical lines, let’s count those! Bugs me to no end LOL *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 9:03 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-bringing-the-8k-love Rory
Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
Having a monitor like that would be good for a NOC like environment. Big screen, tons of information. Network maps, graphs, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:56:26 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K How much content will really be shot in 4K? All of the Red digital video cameras record in 4K, the newer ones in 4K 60fps. Red cameras are common in Vancouver even on low-budget movie productions these days. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think the other parameter is 120 Hz refresh, right? But remember all the complaining about Peter Jackson shooting in 48fps and making it impossible to “suspend disbelief”? And remember how TV shows had to rebuild their sets and talking heads needed more makeup and Botox and pimple cream for 1080p? Are they going to freak out again for 4K/8K where dust particles will be visible on someone’s nose? And how much content will really, really be shot in 4K/8K and 120Hz? Rather than upscaled and interpolated? They say a new generation of Blu-ray discs for 4K should be available in about a year. From: Jerry Richardson via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K Yeah, LG wants to get in front with this… However for the record, what is being called 4k is really 2k or UHD. The marketing departments decided that they no longer wanted to follow tradition of counting horizontal lines. There are way more vertical lines, let’s count those! Bugs me to no end LOL From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-bringing-the-8k-love Rory
Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
iMovix shot the Ryder Cup in UHD It’s coming. I suspect we will see some further incremental improvements in CODECs but I see this as a good thing, nothing drives bandwidth capacity improvements like content :) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K How much content will really be shot in 4K? All of the Red digital video cameras record in 4K, the newer ones in 4K 60fps. Red cameras are common in Vancouver even on low-budget movie productions these days. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I think the other parameter is 120 Hz refresh, right? But remember all the complaining about Peter Jackson shooting in 48fps and making it impossible to “suspend disbelief”? And remember how TV shows had to rebuild their sets and talking heads needed more makeup and Botox and pimple cream for 1080p? Are they going to freak out again for 4K/8K where dust particles will be visible on someone’s nose? And how much content will really, really be shot in 4K/8K and 120Hz? Rather than upscaled and interpolated? They say a new generation of Blu-ray discs for 4K should be available in about a year. From: Jerry Richardson via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:31 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K Yeah, LG wants to get in front with this… However for the record, what is being called 4k is really 2k or UHD. The marketing departments decided that they no longer wanted to follow tradition of counting horizontal lines. There are way more vertical lines, let’s count those! Bugs me to no end LOL From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-bringing-the-8k-love Rory
[AFMUG] FS: NEW equipment - 5480APC, 5780APC, CMM3, 3630APC, 5750SMG, 600SS
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[AFMUG] Speedtest.net optomized for IE??
I'm not sure what is going on, but recently I've noticed Ookla has changed speedtest.net so it works a lot better with IE. And it USED to work just fine with Chrome, but they changed something in the past month. Anyone else seeing this? It's very apparent at Gigabit speeds, see attached. Same everything except using IE instead of Chrome. Noticed this on several machines and several host servers on speedtest.net
Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
I think part of the reason for that though is wanting to get TV and movies on to the same standards. while TV always used horizontal lines before, digital cinema has used vertical lines since the beginning... the first digital theatres were 2k, which was 2048x1080 (opposed to 1080i/p TV being 1920x1080...) and the 4k (and 8k) standard was already being used in high end projectors and cameras long before any 4k TVs were being sold... so at least there is that. As far as there being content shot in 4k... isn't pretty much every movie these days? besides, pretty much anything shot on decent film should be beyond 1080p anyway... From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jerry Richardson via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K Yeah, LG wants to get in front with this… However for the record, what is being called 4k is really 2k or UHD. The marketing departments decided that they no longer wanted to follow tradition of counting horizontal lines. There are way more vertical lines, let’s count those! Bugs me to no end LOL From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-bringing-the-8k-love Rory
Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
More like 4095QAM. Close to LTE bits/Hz numbers of ~~ 16.
Modulation Method:OFDM
Occupied Bandwidth: 5.57 MHz
Transmission Frequency: 671.142857 MHz (UHF 46ch)
Transmission Power Horizontal polarization: 10 W
Vertical polarization: 10 W
Carrier Modulation: BPSK, QPSK, 16QAM,
64QAM, 256QAM, 1024QAM, 4096QAM
FFT size: 8k, 16k, 32k, 64k
Guard Interval: 1/8, 1/16, 1/32
Error-correcting code Inner code: LDPC, code rate r=2/3,
3/4, 5/6
Outer code: BCH
Transmission station Established at NHK Hitoyoshi TV relay station
Item Specifications
Transmission Capacity:91.8 Mbps（4096QAM,
r=3/4）
Video Coding: MPEG-4 AVC / H.264
Reception Station: Nousonkankyoukaizen Center, Yunomae Town,
Kumamoto Prefecture -
approx. 27km from the transmissiontest station
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bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/12/2014 9:43 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af wrote:
They used Ultra-multilevel OFDM 2048QAM -AND- dual-polarized MIMO... damn.
Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest.net optomized for IE??
no attachment...
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bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/12/2014 10:20 AM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote:
I'm not sure what is going on, but recently I've noticed Ookla has changed
speedtest.net so it works a lot better with IE.
And it USED to work just fine with Chrome, but they changed something in the
past month.
Anyone else seeing this?
It's very apparent at Gigabit speeds, see attached.
Same everything except using IE instead of Chrome.
Noticed this on several machines and several host servers on speedtest.net
Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths
madness we are a little better than the target after fine alignment. at one point we had the 4' side pinting to the ground abot 100 yards out ant it still had about a -80 on the bnc readout On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah, it was so considerate of ATT to leave that dish up there when they sold off the site, only needed to be re-aimed about 2 degrees to go where we wanted. And they built a platform to stand on while aiming it, that was awfully nice of them. And they left the flexible waveguide down to the shelter. I’d really hate to think about hanging a new 12 ft dish ourselves and running waveguide to it. And it’s an Andrew parabolic, not the old WE horns, so we don’t have to worry about water getting into the waveguide and freezing. It doesn’t even look like anyone has been using the lightning bolt logo for target practice. Life is good when someone abandons nice stuff you can use. *From:* Hardy, Tim via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 11:18 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths HPBW for a 12 ft dish at 11.2 GHz is 0.5 degree. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof via Af *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 11:17 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths Nope, a 4 ft dish in 11 GHz should be pretty narrow, a few degrees and you should be into a deep, deep null. Take a look at the beamwidth or pattern for your antenna. It should be similar to an 8 ft dish in 5.x GHz. We once used an existing 12 ft dish for an 11 GHz link and I kept having to tell the tower guy he was not going to be able to eyeball it. The beamwidth was something like 1 degree if I remember right. He ketp getting nada for signal until I made him slowly sweep the azimuth. *From:* That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 9:50 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths Weve never gone above 2' we finished installing our 11ghz link yesterday and had the antennas rough aligned, one side is 3' one side is 4'. I expected the tighter patterns would make it harder to find the initial link but they actually linked up right off the bat and it was right on the projected power levels. This is only 10 miles, so we have visual on the path. We did a little rough alignment yesterday, and will do the fine alignment today. when we we roughing it there was a good amount of travel on the antenna (4') side we were on and only a couple db change. do larger antennas on such a short path give you a little more leniency in alignment or something? we will do full horizontal and vertical panning today to make sure we arent in side lobes, just curious is there is more slop in this scenario. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
[AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4 am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but I was wondering how advisable that is at that hour.
Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male to walk at night? On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4 am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but I was wondering how advisable that is at that hour.
Re: [AFMUG] FS: netonix WISP switch 400B
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Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
Nah, you want one of these: http://gizmodo.com/this-google-android-billboard-in-times-square-is-freaki-1663246037 From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K Having a monitor like that would be good for a NOC like environment. Big screen, tons of information. Network maps, graphs, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:56:26 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K How much content will really be shot in 4K? All of the Red digital video cameras record in 4K, the newer ones in 4K 60fps. Red cameras are common in Vancouver even on low-budget movie productions these days. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think the other parameter is 120 Hz refresh, right? But remember all the complaining about Peter Jackson shooting in 48fps and making it impossible to “suspend disbelief”? And remember how TV shows had to rebuild their sets and talking heads needed more makeup and Botox and pimple cream for 1080p? Are they going to freak out again for 4K/8K where dust particles will be visible on someone’s nose? And how much content will really, really be shot in 4K/8K and 120Hz? Rather than upscaled and interpolated? They say a new generation of Blu-ray discs for 4K should be available in about a year. From: Jerry Richardson via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K Yeah, LG wants to get in front with this… However for the record, what is being called 4k is really 2k or UHD. The marketing departments decided that they no longer wanted to follow tradition of counting horizontal lines. There are way more vertical lines, let’s count those! Bugs me to no end LOL From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-bringing-the-8k-love Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
The closest I've ever been to SLC is either in a plane on the way to Vegas or maybe in Steamboat Springs, CO. However, I'd imagine the worst thing that could happen to you in SLC is getting preached at by a Mormon... and I'd be okay with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:47:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male to walk at night? On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4 am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but I was wondering how advisable that is at that hour.
Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
Yeah, just put a fake cigarette in your mouth and most folks in SLC will leave you alone. :P ryan On 12/12/14 10:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male to walk at night? On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4 am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but I was wondering how advisable that is at that hour. -- D. Ryan Spott | Iron Goat Networks, llc broadband | telco | colo | community PO Box 1232 / 603 W. Stevens Sultan, WA 98284 360-799-0552 | gtalk: rsp...@irongoat.net
Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
Yeah... having been there a couple of times, I really wouldn't worry about it. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? The closest I've ever been to SLC is either in a plane on the way to Vegas or maybe in Steamboat Springs, CO. However, I'd imagine the worst thing that could happen to you in SLC is getting preached at by a Mormon... and I'd be okay with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:47:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male to walk at night? On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4 am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but I was wondering how advisable that is at that hour.
Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
I'd guess it's safer than Reno. Now that I think about it though, I've been to Reno lots of times but never walked downtown at night. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male to walk at night? On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4 am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but I was wondering how advisable that is at that hour. Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 014a3fd38e05-38fe22df-e4cb-4e00-9603-8f0dda9220ef-000...@amazonses.comhttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2914543569domain=litewire.net Removehttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2914543569domain=litewire.net amazonses.com from my allow list You received this message because the domain amazonses.com is on your allow list.
Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
other than the police shooting you, you should be good On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah... having been there a couple of times, I really wouldn't worry about it. -- *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [ af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 12:50 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? The closest I've ever been to SLC is either in a plane on the way to Vegas or maybe in Steamboat Springs, CO. However, I'd imagine the worst thing that could happen to you in SLC is getting preached at by a Mormon... and I'd be okay with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, December 12, 2014 12:47:16 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male to walk at night? On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4 am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but I was wondering how advisable that is at that hour. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
There's always these guys. They're local. http://www.nocturneproductions.com/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:50:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K Nah, you want one of these: http://gizmodo.com/this-google-android-billboard-in-times-square-is-freaki-1663246037 From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K Having a monitor like that would be good for a NOC like environment. Big screen, tons of information. Network maps, graphs, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:56:26 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K How much content will really be shot in 4K? All of the Red digital video cameras record in 4K, the newer ones in 4K 60fps. Red cameras are common in Vancouver even on low-budget movie productions these days. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think the other parameter is 120 Hz refresh, right? But remember all the complaining about Peter Jackson shooting in 48fps and making it impossible to “suspend disbelief”? And remember how TV shows had to rebuild their sets and talking heads needed more makeup and Botox and pimple cream for 1080p? Are they going to freak out again for 4K/8K where dust particles will be visible on someone’s nose? And how much content will really, really be shot in 4K/8K and 120Hz? Rather than upscaled and interpolated? They say a new generation of Blu-ray discs for 4K should be available in about a year. From: Jerry Richardson via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K Yeah, LG wants to get in front with this… However for the record, what is being called 4k is really 2k or UHD. The marketing departments decided that they no longer wanted to follow tradition of counting horizontal lines. There are way more vertical lines, let’s count those! Bugs me to no end LOL From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-bringing-the-8k-love Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
Come on. That can happen anywhere. That's not SLC's fault. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? other than the police shooting you, you should be good On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah... having been there a couple of times, I really wouldn't worry about it. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:50 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? The closest I've ever been to SLC is either in a plane on the way to Vegas or maybe in Steamboat Springs, CO. However, I'd imagine the worst thing that could happen to you in SLC is getting preached at by a Mormon... and I'd be okay with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:47:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male to walk at night? On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4 am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but I was wondering how advisable that is at that hour. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 014a3fdbbefa-edc19cdf-5c75-4f1b-a1c1-f1769da5c3a6-000...@amazonses.comhttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2914570814domain=litewire.net Removehttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2914570814domain=litewire.net amazonses.com from my allow list You received this message because the domain amazonses.com is on your allow list.
[AFMUG] Is 13.2 ready for prime time?
What is the consensus on 13.2 for 5.7 450? Any outstanding issues I should be aware of? Understand I need to do SM's first. Can I go direct from 12.1 Thanks Adam
Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
Hmm... yeah, there's that... but on the bright side, if the police do shoot you, it won't cause any riots. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? other than the police shooting you, you should be good On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah... having been there a couple of times, I really wouldn't worry about it. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:50 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? The closest I've ever been to SLC is either in a plane on the way to Vegas or maybe in Steamboat Springs, CO. However, I'd imagine the worst thing that could happen to you in SLC is getting preached at by a Mormon... and I'd be okay with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:47:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male to walk at night? On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4 am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but I was wondering how advisable that is at that hour. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
Most of us here in SLC wait for facts before we riot. Being from SLC I can say your mostly fine depending on where the station is. There is a section in downtown near the Gateway Mall that has several homeless shelters. Evil things happen there nightly. But chances are that if you don't talk to strangers on the street you should be okay. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Dec 12, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hmm... yeah, there's that... but on the bright side, if the police do shoot you, it won't cause any riots. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? other than the police shooting you, you should be good On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah... having been there a couple of times, I really wouldn't worry about it. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? The closest I've ever been to SLC is either in a plane on the way to Vegas or maybe in Steamboat Springs, CO. However, I'd imagine the worst thing that could happen to you in SLC is getting preached at by a Mormon... and I'd be okay with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:47:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male to walk at night? On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4 am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but I was wondering how advisable that is at that hour. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
There’s some kind of disconnect when something that needs 25 Mbps per device is being marketed as mainstream, and the FCC just decided that 10x1 is the minimum Internet speed for CAF funding. Unless we’re finally willing to admit that 4K televisions and 25M live streaming are a luxury and you need to either live in a major metro area with fiber or cable, or spend a lot for your Internet connection, or be satisfied with mere FHD instead of UHD. It’s great to drive bandwidth consumption, as long as people don’t expect it for free or minimal premium. It’s kind of a perception thing. UHD looks maybe 2 or 3 times as good as SD, but uses 15 times the bandwidth. So people expect to pay a premium based on how good it looks, not how much bandwidth it consumes, in fact they don’t even want to pay that because they’re used to supersizing their fries and drink for an extra buck. (note that fries and drinks have huge markups) It will make a little more sense when physical media exist that can hold a 4K movie. Doesn’t it seem strange that Netflix is just giddy that you have to live stream 4K because it is so huge it won’t fit on a disc? It would sure be nice if people could adjust their expectations, and applications come out, so that you watch broadcast 4K either via cable or satellite, or else you download it overnight and watch it the next day. Rather than click and live stream the on-demand content now. I think this is a big opportunity for companies like DISH who control content and a set top box, to download content to the DVR at less than live stream speed overnight, for viewing the next day, it would give them an advantage over Netflix which can’t sell you anything that doesn’t fit through your pipe. I mean come on, people, if you really have to watch a movie right now, would it kill you to watch it in 1080p? - no waiting - amazing quality - cheap - available everywhere pick 3. From: Jerry Richardson via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K iMovix shot the Ryder Cup in UHD It’s coming. I suspect we will see some further incremental improvements in CODECs but I see this as a good thing, nothing drives bandwidth capacity improvements like content J From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K How much content will really be shot in 4K? All of the Red digital video cameras record in 4K, the newer ones in 4K 60fps. Red cameras are common in Vancouver even on low-budget movie productions these days. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think the other parameter is 120 Hz refresh, right? But remember all the complaining about Peter Jackson shooting in 48fps and making it impossible to “suspend disbelief”? And remember how TV shows had to rebuild their sets and talking heads needed more makeup and Botox and pimple cream for 1080p? Are they going to freak out again for 4K/8K where dust particles will be visible on someone’s nose? And how much content will really, really be shot in 4K/8K and 120Hz? Rather than upscaled and interpolated? They say a new generation of Blu-ray discs for 4K should be available in about a year. From: Jerry Richardson via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K Yeah, LG wants to get in front with this… However for the record, what is being called 4k is really 2k or UHD. The marketing departments decided that they no longer wanted to follow tradition of counting horizontal lines. There are way more vertical lines, let’s count those! Bugs me to no end LOL From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-bringing-the-8k-love Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
Last time I was in SLC, and walking the sidewalk in February, the
biggest issue was being able to breath. SLC is in a basin, and they
often are in a thermal inversion at that time of year. All the smog
settles in around downtown. Sure it's colder than Miami, but not like
International Falls
(http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/climate-weather/photos/7-of-the-coldest-places-in-the-world-to-live/international).
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/12/2014 10:50 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
The closest I've ever been to SLC is either in a plane on the way to
Vegas or maybe in Steamboat Springs, CO. However, I'd imagine the
worst thing that could happen to you in SLC is getting preached at by
a Mormon... and I'd be okay with that.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
*From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, December 12, 2014 12:47:16 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male
to walk at night?
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.com
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak
from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4
am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but
I was wondering how advisable that is at that hour.
Re: [AFMUG] Is 13.2 ready for prime time?
Its good to go.. I would say it's a must have upgrade actually. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd http://www.unwiredltd.com/ www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com pkr...@unwiredltd.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 10:58 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Is 13.2 ready for prime time? What is the consensus on 13.2 for 5.7 450? Any outstanding issues I should be aware of? Understand I need to do SM's first. Can I go direct from 12.1 Thanks Adam
Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
Seriously, I don't think I've ever been to any similar sized cities where I'd be less worried about walking at night... also, I'm guessing you could probably take the trax most of the way if you didn't feel like walking. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Brett A Mansfield via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 1:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Most of us here in SLC wait for facts before we riot. Being from SLC I can say your mostly fine depending on where the station is. There is a section in downtown near the Gateway Mall that has several homeless shelters. Evil things happen there nightly. But chances are that if you don't talk to strangers on the street you should be okay. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Dec 12, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Hmm... yeah, there's that... but on the bright side, if the police do shoot you, it won't cause any riots. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:56 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? other than the police shooting you, you should be good On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah... having been there a couple of times, I really wouldn't worry about it. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:50 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? The closest I've ever been to SLC is either in a plane on the way to Vegas or maybe in Steamboat Springs, CO. However, I'd imagine the worst thing that could happen to you in SLC is getting preached at by a Mormon... and I'd be okay with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:47:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male to walk at night? On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4 am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but I was wondering how advisable that is at that hour. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
I have exactly that problem in Reno, so no problem there!
On 12/12/2014 11:18 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
Last time I was in SLC, and walking the sidewalk in February, the
biggest issue was being able to breath. SLC is in a basin, and they
often are in a thermal inversion at that time of year. All the smog
settles in around downtown. Sure it's colder than Miami, but not like
International Falls
(http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/climate-weather/photos/7-of-the-coldest-places-in-the-world-to-live/international).
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/12/2014 10:50 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
The closest I've ever been to SLC is either in a plane on the way to
Vegas or maybe in Steamboat Springs, CO. However, I'd imagine the
worst thing that could happen to you in SLC is getting preached at by
a Mormon... and I'd be okay with that.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
*From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, December 12, 2014 12:47:16 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male
to walk at night?
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af
af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take
Amtrak from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC between
3 and 4 am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the station to the
hotel, but I was wondering how advisable that is at that hour.
!DSPAM:2,548b406e123511163861917!
Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
It's certainly not LA, but there are still dangers. We get some of the craziest night stalkers here. But for an adult male you'll likely be okay. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Dec 12, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Seriously, I don't think I've ever been to any similar sized cities where I'd be less worried about walking at night... also, I'm guessing you could probably take the trax most of the way if you didn't feel like walking. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Brett A Mansfield via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 1:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Most of us here in SLC wait for facts before we riot. Being from SLC I can say your mostly fine depending on where the station is. There is a section in downtown near the Gateway Mall that has several homeless shelters. Evil things happen there nightly. But chances are that if you don't talk to strangers on the street you should be okay. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Dec 12, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hmm... yeah, there's that... but on the bright side, if the police do shoot you, it won't cause any riots. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? other than the police shooting you, you should be good On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah... having been there a couple of times, I really wouldn't worry about it. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? The closest I've ever been to SLC is either in a plane on the way to Vegas or maybe in Steamboat Springs, CO. However, I'd imagine the worst thing that could happen to you in SLC is getting preached at by a Mormon... and I'd be okay with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:47:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male to walk at night? On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4 am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but I was wondering how advisable that is at that hour. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Is 13.2 ready for prime time?
If you're thinking of upgrading right now, wait. 13.2.1 will be along shortly that addresses some SNMP bugs and stuff. On 12/12/2014 12:58 PM, SmarterBroadband via Af wrote: What is the consensus on 13.2 for 5.7 450? Any outstanding issues I should be aware of? Understand I need to do SM�s first. Can I go direct from 12.1 Thanks Adam
Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
You talking about downtown, or by the fairgrounds? Is there still that KOA campground down the road from the fairgrounds? That seemed a bit shady. Downtown I remember walking at night from the Shiloh to the Einsteins. Cops seems to like bagels at all hours. Probably because SLC doesn’t seem to have donuts. Mmmm, bagels. Back when they had us stay at I think it was a Quality Inn, the biggest danger seemed to be crossing the street, drivers seemed a little crazy. Oh, and the first year I went to AF, somebody with a pistol in their waistband shot the toilet at the Carl’s Jr., it was on the news. From: Brett A Mansfield via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 1:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Most of us here in SLC wait for facts before we riot. Being from SLC I can say your mostly fine depending on where the station is. There is a section in downtown near the Gateway Mall that has several homeless shelters. Evil things happen there nightly. But chances are that if you don't talk to strangers on the street you should be okay. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Dec 12, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hmm... yeah, there's that... but on the bright side, if the police do shoot you, it won't cause any riots. -- From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? other than the police shooting you, you should be good On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah... having been there a couple of times, I really wouldn't worry about it. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? The closest I've ever been to SLC is either in a plane on the way to Vegas or maybe in Steamboat Springs, CO. However, I'd imagine the worst thing that could happen to you in SLC is getting preached at by a Mormon... and I'd be okay with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:47:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male to walk at night? On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4 am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but I was wondering how advisable that is at that hour. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
TO the Shiloh, I meant. On 12/12/2014 11:31 AM, Bruce Robertson wrote: It's just 15 minutes walk in a north-east direction from the Shiloh. On 12/12/2014 11:28 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: You talking about downtown, or by the fairgrounds? Is there still that KOA campground down the road from the fairgrounds? That seemed a bit shady. Downtown I remember walking at night from the Shiloh to the Einsteins. Cops seems to like bagels at all hours. Probably because SLC doesn’t seem to have donuts. Mmmm, bagels. Back when they had us stay at I think it was a Quality Inn, the biggest danger seemed to be crossing the street, drivers seemed a little crazy. Oh, and the first year I went to AF, somebody with a pistol in their waistband shot the toilet at the Carl’s Jr., it was on the news. *From:* Brett A Mansfield via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 1:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Most of us here in SLC wait for facts before we riot. Being from SLC I can say your mostly fine depending on where the station is. There is a section in downtown near the Gateway Mall that has several homeless shelters. Evil things happen there nightly. But chances are that if you don't talk to strangers on the street you should be okay. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Dec 12, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Hmm... yeah, there's that... but on the bright side, if the police do shoot you, it won't cause any riots. *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 12:56 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? other than the police shooting you, you should be good On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah... having been there a couple of times, I really wouldn't worry about it. *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 12:50 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? The closest I've ever been to SLC is either in a plane on the way to Vegas or maybe in Steamboat Springs, CO. However, I'd imagine the worst thing that could happen to you in SLC is getting preached at by a Mormon... and I'd be okay with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, December 12, 2014 12:47:16 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male to walk at night? On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4 am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but I was wondering how advisable that is at that hour. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 !DSPAM:2,548b42f9124793709378637!
Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
Some of the people who jumped the gun and bought 4K 30Hz displays are selling them now, they're pretty cheap... Not a bad choice if you want static chart monitoring and other things that don't move around a lot. Connect to a decent desktop PC with 2 x $175 video cards. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Having a monitor like that would be good for a NOC like environment. Big screen, tons of information. Network maps, graphs, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, December 12, 2014 11:56:26 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K How much content will really be shot in 4K? All of the Red digital video cameras record in 4K, the newer ones in 4K 60fps. Red cameras are common in Vancouver even on low-budget movie productions these days. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think the other parameter is 120 Hz refresh, right? But remember all the complaining about Peter Jackson shooting in 48fps and making it impossible to “suspend disbelief”? And remember how TV shows had to rebuild their sets and talking heads needed more makeup and Botox and pimple cream for 1080p? Are they going to freak out again for 4K/8K where dust particles will be visible on someone’s nose? And how much content will really, really be shot in 4K/8K and 120Hz? Rather than upscaled and interpolated? They say a new generation of Blu-ray discs for 4K should be available in about a year. *From:* Jerry Richardson via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 11:31 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K Yeah, LG wants to get in front with this… However for the record, what is being called 4k is really 2k or UHD. The marketing departments decided that they no longer wanted to follow tradition of counting horizontal lines. There are way more vertical lines, let’s count those! Bugs me to no end LOL *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 9:03 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-bringing-the-8k-love Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
It's just 15 minutes walk in a north-east direction from the Shiloh. On 12/12/2014 11:28 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: You talking about downtown, or by the fairgrounds? Is there still that KOA campground down the road from the fairgrounds? That seemed a bit shady. Downtown I remember walking at night from the Shiloh to the Einsteins. Cops seems to like bagels at all hours. Probably because SLC doesn’t seem to have donuts. Mmmm, bagels. Back when they had us stay at I think it was a Quality Inn, the biggest danger seemed to be crossing the street, drivers seemed a little crazy. Oh, and the first year I went to AF, somebody with a pistol in their waistband shot the toilet at the Carl’s Jr., it was on the news. *From:* Brett A Mansfield via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 1:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Most of us here in SLC wait for facts before we riot. Being from SLC I can say your mostly fine depending on where the station is. There is a section in downtown near the Gateway Mall that has several homeless shelters. Evil things happen there nightly. But chances are that if you don't talk to strangers on the street you should be okay. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Dec 12, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Hmm... yeah, there's that... but on the bright side, if the police do shoot you, it won't cause any riots. *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 12:56 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? other than the police shooting you, you should be good On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah... having been there a couple of times, I really wouldn't worry about it. *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 12:50 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? The closest I've ever been to SLC is either in a plane on the way to Vegas or maybe in Steamboat Springs, CO. However, I'd imagine the worst thing that could happen to you in SLC is getting preached at by a Mormon... and I'd be okay with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, December 12, 2014 12:47:16 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male to walk at night? On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4 am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but I was wondering how advisable that is at that hour. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 !DSPAM:2,548b42f9124793709378637!
Re: [AFMUG] Is 13.2 ready for prime time?
We're now running 13.2 on all our PMP450 installations. No troubles.
In fact, it's fixed most of the issues we've had. The only thing right
now that would be better than 13.2 would be 13.3 (because it will have a
text-based config file (YEAH!)). The addition of an up-to 8K NAT table
is nice too, not to mention that there is now an OID for the entries in
the NAT table.
We did upgrade from both 12.1.(something) and 13.1.(something) without
issue.
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part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/12/2014 10:58 AM, SmarterBroadband via Af wrote:
What is the consensus on 13.2 for 5.7 450?
Any outstanding issues I should be aware of?
Understand I need to do SM's first. Can I go direct from 12.1
Thanks
Adam
Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
Doesn't the light rail go out to the airport now (which goes right by
the fairgrounds)?
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part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/12/2014 11:31 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af wrote:
It's just 15 minutes walk in a north-east direction from the Shiloh.
On 12/12/2014 11:28 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
You talking about downtown, or by the fairgrounds? Is there still
that KOA campground down the road from the fairgrounds? That seemed
a bit shady. Downtown I remember walking at night from the Shiloh to
the Einsteins. Cops seems to like bagels at all hours. Probably
because SLC doesn’t seem to have donuts. Mmmm, bagels.
Back when they had us stay at I think it was a Quality Inn, the
biggest danger seemed to be crossing the street, drivers seemed a
little crazy. Oh, and the first year I went to AF, somebody with a
pistol in their waistband shot the toilet at the Carl’s Jr., it was
on the news.
*From:* Brett A Mansfield via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 1:03 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
Most of us here in SLC wait for facts before we riot.
Being from SLC I can say your mostly fine depending on where the
station is. There is a section in downtown near the Gateway Mall that
has several homeless shelters. Evil things happen there nightly.
But chances are that if you don't talk to strangers on the street you
should be okay.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
On Dec 12, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
Hmm... yeah, there's that... but on the bright side, if the police
do shoot you, it won't cause any riots.
*From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] on
behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com]
*Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 12:56 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
other than the police shooting you, you should be good
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
Yeah... having been there a couple of times, I really wouldn't
worry about it.
*From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com
mailto:af@afmug.com]
*Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 12:50 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
The closest I've ever been to SLC is either in a plane on the
way to Vegas or maybe in Steamboat Springs, CO. However, I'd
imagine the worst thing that could happen to you in SLC is
getting preached at by a Mormon... and I'd be okay with that.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
*From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, December 12, 2014 12:47:16 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult
male to walk at night?
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af
af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take
Amtrak from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC
between 3 and 4 am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the
station to the hotel, but I was wondering how advisable that
is at that hour.
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore,
if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all
means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
!DSPAM:2,548b42f9124793709378637!
Re: [AFMUG] FS: netonix WISP switch 400B
+1000. Great device, great company. I can't wait for the Tower Switch! -Ty On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com wrote: oh i love the wisp switch, i think its been the best thing that has come along in years, i plan on putting them on everything Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Dec 12, 2014, at 11:27 AM, josh--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Congrats, first wispswitch to trade hands after sale. You're the proud owner of that record, way to read the data sheet =) J/K! On December 12, 2014 6:03:55 AM AKST, Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have a brand new netonix wisp switch 400b for sale, only reason I am selling is I thought it was a 48v on all ports instead of just half of them. Price is $425 including shipping. email k...@wavleinc.com Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest.net optomized for IE??
I don't see the issue...here's my result in Chrome.
http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3980421483
Regards,
Chuck
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
no attachment...
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part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/12/2014 10:20 AM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote:
I'm not sure what is going on, but recently I've noticed Ookla has
changed speedtest.net so it works a lot better with IE.
And it USED to work just fine with Chrome, but they changed something in
the past month.
Anyone else seeing this?
It's very apparent at Gigabit speeds, see attached.
Same everything except using IE instead of Chrome.
Noticed this on several machines and several host servers on
speedtest.net
[AFMUG] Cambium Tools
I assume Wireless manager is still a pay for product? Anyone using Wireless Advisor? Is it worth installing? Thanks Adam
[AFMUG] Release 13.3 Build 15
Wanted to let you know we just posted Build 15 (a new beta load)... this is darn near the final one. We've corrected past issues and would love for you to kick the tires on this release as soon as possible. Please visit the Cambium Networks webpage to down load the Open Beta version of 13.3. https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/beta As usual, you can discuss things you find here or at our community page: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-Beta/bd-p/forums_pmp_beta There are also several Feature Briefs posted at the community site explaining in more detail some of the new features that are in this release. Check it out. Thanks, Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 2:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Tools I assume Wireless manager is still a pay for product? Anyone using Wireless Advisor? Is it worth installing? Thanks Adam
[AFMUG] 90 Degree 3.6GHZ Sector
Has anyone compared the KP 90 degree 3.6GHZ sector with the Cambium for use with 450?
Re: [AFMUG] Release 13.3 Build 15
Are there any benefits to running this firmware on 450 APs with 430 interop? Thanks, Vlad On 12/12/2014 2:40 PM, Matt Mangriotis via Af wrote: Wanted to let you know we just posted Build 15 (a new beta load)... this is darn near the final one. We've corrected past issues and would love for you to kick the tires on this release as soon as possible. Please visit the Cambium Networks webpage to down load the Open Beta version of 13.3. https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/beta As usual, you can discuss things you find here or at our community page: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-Beta/bd-p/forums_pmp_beta There are also several Feature Briefs posted at the community site explaining in more detail some of the new features that are in this release. Check it out. Thanks, Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband via Af *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 2:34 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium Tools I assume Wireless manager is still a pay for product? Anyone using Wireless Advisor? Is it worth installing? Thanks Adam --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] 90 Degree 3.6GHZ Sector
I asked KP for an explanation of the differences between them a few months ago. He said he'd contact his engineer but I never heard back. When you look at the antenna profile, at first glance it looks like the KP antenna is better. But once you look closer, it looks like each polarity is just more offset from the other compared to the cambium, which makes the overlapped profile look better. It doesnt look any better to me on paper after closer examination, even though supposedly it's rated better. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I expect it's like Mike Tyson vs an infant. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 12, 2014 4:04 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone compared the KP 90 degree 3.6GHZ sector with the Cambium for use with 450?
Re: [AFMUG] 90 Degree 3.6GHZ Sector
I believe we established the 450 antennas are made by Laird. Not a big fan of their antennas myself. I've been very happy with KP antennas for some time. What differences are you looking for, Kade? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I asked KP for an explanation of the differences between them a few months ago. He said he'd contact his engineer but I never heard back. When you look at the antenna profile, at first glance it looks like the KP antenna is better. But once you look closer, it looks like each polarity is just more offset from the other compared to the cambium, which makes the overlapped profile look better. It doesnt look any better to me on paper after closer examination, even though supposedly it's rated better. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I expect it's like Mike Tyson vs an infant. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 12, 2014 4:04 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone compared the KP 90 degree 3.6GHZ sector with the Cambium for use with 450?
Re: [AFMUG] 90 Degree 3.6GHZ Sector
You’re talking about the “Gen II”, right? That’s the 450 compatible one. I have only compared spec sheets. Looks like 90 degrees is at 3 dB points, while Cambium is more like 5-6 dB. No null fill. 2 degrees downtilt. No bracket to hold AP papoose style. Otherwise similar specwise. KPP also lists a 120 degree sector, the spec sheet is a disaster though. Numbers say 2.4 GHz, pattern is ugly, F/B ratio is bad, not sure if it’s bad editing or what. The numbers and patterns on the 90 look good though, except for no null fill, and make sure tower guy knows there is already 2 degrees downtilt, it’s a pretty narrow vertical beam so you don’t want to double up on downtilt. I have only used the Cambium sector, other than the N connectors are in a mildly annoying location, I like them. Neither antenna is cheap. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 3:06 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 90 Degree 3.6GHZ Sector I expect it's like Mike Tyson vs an infant. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 12, 2014 4:04 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone compared the KP 90 degree 3.6GHZ sector with the Cambium for use with 450?
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Tools
I think that became the base of CNS. Once they support Canopy radios and make the GUI pretty like the ePMP's, then I'll mess with it. On 12/12/2014 2:33 PM, SmarterBroadband via Af wrote: I assume Wireless manager is still a pay for product? Anyone using Wireless Advisor? Is it worth installing? Thanks Adam
Re: [AFMUG] 90 Degree 3.6GHZ Sector
The -3 vs -6 is exactly what I was refering to. When you look closely at the antenna pattern of the KP antenna, it just looks like they pushed each polarity farther away from each other in relation to the cambium antenna. This makes the lobes come out a bit farther and spec out as -3 instead of -6. If you look at each polarity individually, they are more like the -6 cambium sector. This is why I feel like in the real world, there is no advantage. I am no RF engineer though, so this is just what I could determine by looking at the patterns overlapped. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You’re talking about the “Gen II”, right? That’s the 450 compatible one. I have only compared spec sheets. Looks like 90 degrees is at 3 dB points, while Cambium is more like 5-6 dB. No null fill. 2 degrees downtilt. No bracket to hold AP papoose style. Otherwise similar specwise. KPP also lists a 120 degree sector, the spec sheet is a disaster though. Numbers say 2.4 GHz, pattern is ugly, F/B ratio is bad, not sure if it’s bad editing or what. The numbers and patterns on the 90 look good though, except for no null fill, and make sure tower guy knows there is already 2 degrees downtilt, it’s a pretty narrow vertical beam so you don’t want to double up on downtilt. I have only used the Cambium sector, other than the N connectors are in a mildly annoying location, I like them. Neither antenna is cheap. *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 3:06 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 90 Degree 3.6GHZ Sector I expect it's like Mike Tyson vs an infant. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 12, 2014 4:04 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone compared the KP 90 degree 3.6GHZ sector with the Cambium for use with 450?
Re: [AFMUG] 90 Degree 3.6GHZ Sector
I see what you’re talking about. It’s not dramatic, but I would think the best thing would be for the two polarizations to have almost identical patterns. Not sure what to make of the gain vs freq graph which shows more like 15 dBi rather than 16.5 dBi. I think we all suspect that with most antennas, the specs are more “typical” than guaranteed, except for certain high end brands. That might be the deciding difference, unless someone has actual side-by-side field results, I believe the Cambium antennas are per spec. Not saying the KPP ones aren’t. But like people have said about the 900 sectors, you probably lose a dB or two compared to MTI or Til-tek. That said, the last 900 sector I bought was a KPP, it is half the size of the other monsters. But in this case, the Cambium sector with the bracket to hold the 450 AP probably wins out in the mechanical department. From: Kade Sullivan via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 3:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 90 Degree 3.6GHZ Sector The -3 vs -6 is exactly what I was refering to. When you look closely at the antenna pattern of the KP antenna, it just looks like they pushed each polarity farther away from each other in relation to the cambium antenna. This makes the lobes come out a bit farther and spec out as -3 instead of -6. If you look at each polarity individually, they are more like the -6 cambium sector. This is why I feel like in the real world, there is no advantage. I am no RF engineer though, so this is just what I could determine by looking at the patterns overlapped. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You’re talking about the “Gen II”, right? That’s the 450 compatible one. I have only compared spec sheets. Looks like 90 degrees is at 3 dB points, while Cambium is more like 5-6 dB. No null fill. 2 degrees downtilt. No bracket to hold AP papoose style. Otherwise similar specwise. KPP also lists a 120 degree sector, the spec sheet is a disaster though. Numbers say 2.4 GHz, pattern is ugly, F/B ratio is bad, not sure if it’s bad editing or what. The numbers and patterns on the 90 look good though, except for no null fill, and make sure tower guy knows there is already 2 degrees downtilt, it’s a pretty narrow vertical beam so you don’t want to double up on downtilt. I have only used the Cambium sector, other than the N connectors are in a mildly annoying location, I like them. Neither antenna is cheap. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 3:06 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 90 Degree 3.6GHZ Sector I expect it's like Mike Tyson vs an infant. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 12, 2014 4:04 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone compared the KP 90 degree 3.6GHZ sector with the Cambium for use with 450?
Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest.net optomized for IE??
I ran some tests on IE and Chrome. They are within a couple percent of
each other as far as I can see.
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On 12/12/2014 10:20 AM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote:
I'm not sure what is going on, but recently I've noticed Ookla has changed
speedtest.net so it works a lot better with IE.
And it USED to work just fine with Chrome, but they changed something in the
past month.
Anyone else seeing this?
It's very apparent at Gigabit speeds, see attached.
Same everything except using IE instead of Chrome.
Noticed this on several machines and several host servers on speedtest.net
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Tools
If history is any guide, (BAM, Prizm ) and not continue to support. After poring close to $30k in prizm, cambium wanted us to buy new license for all AP's and backhal again for wireless manager. I could not believe it. You are better off not wasting your time and money into their management platform. We won wireless manager in something and still did not install it. When we did install it, we were not impressed. Don't waste your time and money. Tushar On Dec 12, 2014, at 2:33 PM, SmarterBroadband via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I assume Wireless manager is still a pay for product? Anyone using Wireless Advisor? Is it worth installing? Thanks Adam
Re: [AFMUG] 90 Degree 3.6GHZ Sector
We had to blow up the patterns and overlay them in order to really see, as you said it's not dramatic at all. Glad to see someone agrees with my amateur assessment :D On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I see what you’re talking about. It’s not dramatic, but I would think the best thing would be for the two polarizations to have almost identical patterns. Not sure what to make of the gain vs freq graph which shows more like 15 dBi rather than 16.5 dBi. I think we all suspect that with most antennas, the specs are more “typical” than guaranteed, except for certain high end brands. That might be the deciding difference, unless someone has actual side-by-side field results, I believe the Cambium antennas are per spec. Not saying the KPP ones aren’t. But like people have said about the 900 sectors, you probably lose a dB or two compared to MTI or Til-tek. That said, the last 900 sector I bought was a KPP, it is half the size of the other monsters. But in this case, the Cambium sector with the bracket to hold the 450 AP probably wins out in the mechanical department. *From:* Kade Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 3:58 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 90 Degree 3.6GHZ Sector The -3 vs -6 is exactly what I was refering to. When you look closely at the antenna pattern of the KP antenna, it just looks like they pushed each polarity farther away from each other in relation to the cambium antenna. This makes the lobes come out a bit farther and spec out as -3 instead of -6. If you look at each polarity individually, they are more like the -6 cambium sector. This is why I feel like in the real world, there is no advantage. I am no RF engineer though, so this is just what I could determine by looking at the patterns overlapped. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You’re talking about the “Gen II”, right? That’s the 450 compatible one. I have only compared spec sheets. Looks like 90 degrees is at 3 dB points, while Cambium is more like 5-6 dB. No null fill. 2 degrees downtilt. No bracket to hold AP papoose style. Otherwise similar specwise. KPP also lists a 120 degree sector, the spec sheet is a disaster though. Numbers say 2.4 GHz, pattern is ugly, F/B ratio is bad, not sure if it’s bad editing or what. The numbers and patterns on the 90 look good though, except for no null fill, and make sure tower guy knows there is already 2 degrees downtilt, it’s a pretty narrow vertical beam so you don’t want to double up on downtilt. I have only used the Cambium sector, other than the N connectors are in a mildly annoying location, I like them. Neither antenna is cheap. *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 3:06 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 90 Degree 3.6GHZ Sector I expect it's like Mike Tyson vs an infant. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 12, 2014 4:04 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone compared the KP 90 degree 3.6GHZ sector with the Cambium for use with 450?
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Tools
Out of curiosity, what do you use to manage your software upgrades? Everything seems easy enough to manage with a 3rd party management platform. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If history is any guide, (BAM, Prizm ) and not continue to support. After poring close to $30k in prizm, cambium wanted us to buy new license for all AP's and backhal again for wireless manager. I could not believe it. You are better off not wasting your time and money into their management platform. We won wireless manager in something and still did not install it. When we did install it, we were not impressed. Don't waste your time and money. Tushar On Dec 12, 2014, at 2:33 PM, SmarterBroadband via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I assume Wireless manager is still a pay for product? Anyone using Wireless Advisor? Is it worth installing? Thanks Adam
Re: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s
Minimum vector error numbers are awful. Have you used the diagnostic plotter (or SNMP) to graph vector error and modulation vs time? You may have a time varying interference problem. From: Scott Vander Dussen via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 3:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s I’m diagnosing a slow throughput PTP500 link remotely. This link’s real-world capacity is only about 2mb/s. Attached is screenshots of the status page. Anything stick out as weird or wrong? It was on 15mb/s channels, I tried 10mb/s – there’s plenty of clean spectrum. It’s not making sense to me that this is only able to move 2mb/s. Thanks, Scott
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Tools
Tushar, we bought the Wireless manager just to display our map of infrastructure on a 50 screen in the lobby. Cool! Once I started getting the keys to support most of our infrastructure I began to investigate more in depth of what all we could do more with it. It allows me to make global changes on the fly and create complex templates for any of our PTP links and APs. This makes for a good day when provisioning a replacement radio when one gets hit by lightning. Other than making network wide changes like modifying protocol filtering or nat templates its ok. I believe but not sure it has the ability to check for service availability at first glance from a subscriber. On 12/12/2014 04:16 PM, Tushar Patel via Af wrote: If history is any guide, (BAM, Prizm ) and not continue to support. After poring close to $30k in prizm, cambium wanted us to buy new license for all AP's and backhal again for wireless manager. I could not believe it. You are better off not wasting your time and money into their management platform. We won wireless manager in something and still did not install it. When we did install it, we were not impressed. Don't waste your time and money. Tushar On Dec 12, 2014, at 2:33 PM, SmarterBroadband via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I assume Wireless manager is still a pay for product? Anyone using Wireless Advisor? Is it worth installing? Thanks Adam
Re: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s
Scott, Have a look at the slave side spectrum manager and see if there is some noise cropping up. If not then you may have some water in a pigtail or defective. Also, may want to do a site walk to see if the antennas may have moved due to weather or something in the path since it was installed. More often then not the tale tale signature if a bad pig tail is the vector error is all over the place. These things usually dont have grey area when it comes to detailed informational tags like Limited by WIRELESS conditions Start with spectrum manager and see what it says then look at Diag plotter for unusual patterns in vector corrections. On 12/12/2014 03:54 PM, Scott Vander Dussen via Af wrote: I�m diagnosing a slow throughput PTP500 link remotely. This link�s real-world capacity is only about 2mb/s. Attached is screenshots of the status page. Anything stick out as weird or wrong? It was on 15mb/s channels, I tried 10mb/s � there�s plenty of clean spectrum. It�s not making sense to me that this is only able to move 2mb/s. Thanks, Scott
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Tools
Cnut takes care of that :) On 12/12/2014 04:18 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af wrote: Out of curiosity, what do you use to manage your software upgrades? Everything seems easy enough to manage with a 3rd party management platform. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: If history is any guide, (BAM, Prizm ) and not continue to support. After poring close to $30k in prizm, cambium wanted us to buy new license for all AP's and backhal again for wireless manager. I could not believe it. You are better off not wasting your time and money into their management platform. We won wireless manager in something and still did not install it. When we did install it, we were not impressed. Don't waste your time and money. Tushar On Dec 12, 2014, at 2:33 PM, SmarterBroadband via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I assume Wireless manager is still a pay for product? Anyone using Wireless Advisor? Is it worth installing? Thanks Adam
Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest.net optomized for IE??
I ran tests in IE, Chrome and Firefox, all close ish.. How different were your results? -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 10:20 AM To: 'af@afmug.com' Subject: [AFMUG] Speedtest.net optomized for IE?? I'm not sure what is going on, but recently I've noticed Ookla has changed speedtest.net so it works a lot better with IE. And it USED to work just fine with Chrome, but they changed something in the past month. Anyone else seeing this? It's very apparent at Gigabit speeds, see attached. Same everything except using IE instead of Chrome. Noticed this on several machines and several host servers on speedtest.net
Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
I don’t think the Shiloh is more than 5 minutes away from the trolley system on Main Street or South Temple. If they are running at that hour. And most of the homeless folks are concentrated in a fairly small area that you would not be near. From: Bruce Robertson via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? TO the Shiloh, I meant. On 12/12/2014 11:31 AM, Bruce Robertson wrote: It's just 15 minutes walk in a north-east direction from the Shiloh. On 12/12/2014 11:28 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: You talking about downtown, or by the fairgrounds? Is there still that KOA campground down the road from the fairgrounds? That seemed a bit shady. Downtown I remember walking at night from the Shiloh to the Einsteins. Cops seems to like bagels at all hours. Probably because SLC doesn’t seem to have donuts. Mmmm, bagels. Back when they had us stay at I think it was a Quality Inn, the biggest danger seemed to be crossing the street, drivers seemed a little crazy. Oh, and the first year I went to AF, somebody with a pistol in their waistband shot the toilet at the Carl’s Jr., it was on the news. From: Brett A Mansfield via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 1:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Most of us here in SLC wait for facts before we riot. Being from SLC I can say your mostly fine depending on where the station is. There is a section in downtown near the Gateway Mall that has several homeless shelters. Evil things happen there nightly. But chances are that if you don't talk to strangers on the street you should be okay. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Dec 12, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hmm... yeah, there's that... but on the bright side, if the police do shoot you, it won't cause any riots. -- From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? other than the police shooting you, you should be good On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah... having been there a couple of times, I really wouldn't worry about it. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? The closest I've ever been to SLC is either in a plane on the way to Vegas or maybe in Steamboat Springs, CO. However, I'd imagine the worst thing that could happen to you in SLC is getting preached at by a Mormon... and I'd be okay with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:47:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male to walk at night? On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4 am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but I was wondering how advisable that is at that hour. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 !DSPAM:2,548b42f9124793709378637!
[AFMUG] Windows SNMP tool
Does anyone know of a windows SNMP tool where I can read and write to an OID. Easy tool, just enter subnet and oid to work on and get a list of results? If not windows, gui Linux? Thanks Adam
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Tools
So David how much so far have you spent on wireless Manager? Next year or 2 if they come out with new system and tell you to pay again, and tell you old system will not be supported and for newer radio you need new system and will have to pay for all your old AP's to make it work on new system, will you pay them again? In our case we had spent $20k + hardware so close to $30k on prizm, we could not transfer anything to wireless manager, they wanted us to pay again. Same could happen again with new CNS (or whatever is called now). Tushar On Dec 12, 2014, at 4:32 PM, David via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Tushar, we bought the Wireless manager just to display our map of infrastructure on a 50 screen in the lobby. Cool! Once I started getting the keys to support most of our infrastructure I began to investigate more in depth of what all we could do more with it. It allows me to make global changes on the fly and create complex templates for any of our PTP links and APs. This makes for a good day when provisioning a replacement radio when one gets hit by lightning. Other than making network wide changes like modifying protocol filtering or nat templates its ok. I believe but not sure it has the ability to check for service availability at first glance from a subscriber. On 12/12/2014 04:16 PM, Tushar Patel via Af wrote: If history is any guide, (BAM, Prizm ) and not continue to support. After poring close to $30k in prizm, cambium wanted us to buy new license for all AP's and backhal again for wireless manager. I could not believe it. You are better off not wasting your time and money into their management platform. We won wireless manager in something and still did not install it. When we did install it, we were not impressed. Don't waste your time and money. Tushar On Dec 12, 2014, at 2:33 PM, SmarterBroadband via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I assume Wireless manager is still a pay for product? Anyone using Wireless Advisor? Is it worth installing? Thanks Adam
Re: [AFMUG] Windows SNMP tool
We've used this before with pretty good luck. http://www.paessler.com/tools/snmptester Won't scan a subnet, just an individual host. Robbie Wright Siuslaw Broadband http://siuslawbroadband.com 541-902-5101 On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:51 PM, SmarterBroadband via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Does anyone know of a windows SNMP tool where I can read and write to an OID. Easy tool, just enter subnet and oid to work on and get a list of results? If not windows, gui Linux? Thanks Adam
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Tools
same thing happened to us as it did to Tushar and i refused to pay again to move to their crappy wireless manager product. some things cambium gets really right...some things they are out right stupid about. did i mention speed keys yet today??? hey cambium get rid of the speed keys and give us a good management platform...oh yeah and a pony too :-) -sean On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So David how much so far have you spent on wireless Manager? Next year or 2 if they come out with new system and tell you to pay again, and tell you old system will not be supported and for newer radio you need new system and will have to pay for all your old AP's to make it work on new system, will you pay them again? In our case we had spent $20k + hardware so close to $30k on prizm, we could not transfer anything to wireless manager, they wanted us to pay again. Same could happen again with new CNS (or whatever is called now). Tushar On Dec 12, 2014, at 4:32 PM, David via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Tushar, we bought the Wireless manager just to display our map of infrastructure on a 50 screen in the lobby. Cool! Once I started getting the keys to support most of our infrastructure I began to investigate more in depth of what all we could do more with it. It allows me to make global changes on the fly and create complex templates for any of our PTP links and APs. This makes for a good day when provisioning a replacement radio when one gets hit by lightning. Other than making network wide changes like modifying protocol filtering or nat templates its ok. I believe but not sure it has the ability to check for service availability at first glance from a subscriber. On 12/12/2014 04:16 PM, Tushar Patel via Af wrote: If history is any guide, (BAM, Prizm ) and not continue to support. After poring close to $30k in prizm, cambium wanted us to buy new license for all AP's and backhal again for wireless manager. I could not believe it. You are better off not wasting your time and money into their management platform. We won wireless manager in something and still did not install it. When we did install it, we were not impressed. Don't waste your time and money. Tushar On Dec 12, 2014, at 2:33 PM, SmarterBroadband via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I assume Wireless manager is still a pay for product? Anyone using Wireless Advisor? Is it worth installing? Thanks Adam
Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
If any person, as a physically fit adult male is afraid of the homeless people in Salt Lake City, I invite them to come with me on a night-time motor rickshaw ride and walk in Rawalpindi some time. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:51 PM, chuck--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I don’t think the Shiloh is more than 5 minutes away from the trolley system on Main Street or South Temple. If they are running at that hour. And most of the homeless folks are concentrated in a fairly small area that you would not be near. *From:* Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 12:32 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? TO the Shiloh, I meant. On 12/12/2014 11:31 AM, Bruce Robertson wrote: It's just 15 minutes walk in a north-east direction from the Shiloh. On 12/12/2014 11:28 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: You talking about downtown, or by the fairgrounds? Is there still that KOA campground down the road from the fairgrounds? That seemed a bit shady. Downtown I remember walking at night from the Shiloh to the Einsteins. Cops seems to like bagels at all hours. Probably because SLC doesn’t seem to have donuts. Mmmm, bagels. Back when they had us stay at I think it was a Quality Inn, the biggest danger seemed to be crossing the street, drivers seemed a little crazy. Oh, and the first year I went to AF, somebody with a pistol in their waistband shot the toilet at the Carl’s Jr., it was on the news. *From:* Brett A Mansfield via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 1:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Most of us here in SLC wait for facts before we riot. Being from SLC I can say your mostly fine depending on where the station is. There is a section in downtown near the Gateway Mall that has several homeless shelters. Evil things happen there nightly. But chances are that if you don't talk to strangers on the street you should be okay. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Dec 12, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hmm... yeah, there's that... but on the bright side, if the police do shoot you, it won't cause any riots. -- *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [ af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 12:56 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? other than the police shooting you, you should be good On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah... having been there a couple of times, I really wouldn't worry about it. -- *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [ af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 12:50 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? The closest I've ever been to SLC is either in a plane on the way to Vegas or maybe in Steamboat Springs, CO. However, I'd imagine the worst thing that could happen to you in SLC is getting preached at by a Mormon... and I'd be okay with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, December 12, 2014 12:47:16 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male to walk at night? On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4 am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but I was wondering how advisable that is at that hour. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 !DSPAM:2,548b42f9124793709378637!
Re: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s
Vector error is basically signal to noise ratio, so yes 28 is good and 1.5 is really bad. I would still use the diagnostic plotter to look at vector error over time. It won’t tell you WHY it gets bad, but seeing WHEN it gets bad might help track it down. Or use MRTG/Cacti/etc. to plot the following OIDs: vector error: 1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.5.12.2.0 modulation: 1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.5.12.8.0 Modulation will be a number from 1-15 if I remember right, where 15 is the highest like 64QAM3/4 or whatever and 1 is BPSK. (why do I want to pronounce that “bupkis”?) From: Scott Vander Dussen via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 4:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s David/Ken- Thanks for the quick and helpful replies. From the manual: Vector Error The vector error measurement compares the received signal’s In phase / Quadrature (IQ) modulation characteristics to an ideal signal to determine the composite error vector magnitude. The results are stored in an histogram and expressed in dB and presented as: max, mean, min and latest. The max, min and latest are true instantaneous measurements; the mean is the mean of a set of one second means. The expected range for Vector Error would be approximately -1.5 dB (NLOS link operating at sensitivity limit on BPSK 0.50) to –28 dB (short LOS link running 64 QAM 0.83). See Section 7.3.1 “Histogram Data”. I interpret this paragraph that -28db is more desirable than -1.5db. Is that correct? If my min values are circa -28db and that’s bad, what would be an expected good value? I don’t think it’s a noise issue, I set the interference threshold to -63. Here’s each side’s SA. Remote side on bottom. I’d favor the pigtail has water intrusion. Thanks again, Scott From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 14:43 To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s Scott, �Have a look at the slave side spectrum manager and see if there is some noise cropping up. If not then you may have some water in a pigtail or defective. Also, may want to do a site walk to see if the antennas may have moved due to weather or something in the path since it was installed. �More often then not the tale tale signature if a bad pig tail is the vector error is all over the place. These things usually dont have grey area when it comes to detailed informational tags like Limited by WIRELESS conditions Start with spectrum manager and see what it says then look at Diag plotter for unusual patterns in vector corrections. On 12/12/2014 03:54 PM, Scott Vander Dussen via Af wrote: I�m diagnosing a slow throughput PTP500 link remotely.� This link�s real-world capacity is only about 2mb/s.� Attached is screenshots of the status page.� Anything stick out as weird or wrong?� It was on 15mb/s channels, I tried 10mb/s � there�s plenty of clean spectrum.� It�s not making sense to me that this is only able to move 2mb/s. � Thanks, Scott � �
Re: [AFMUG] Windows SNMP tool
http://www.wtcs.org/snmp4tpc/getif.htm http://www.ireasoning.com/mibbrowser.shtml Of course, you could always just install snmpget and snmpset on your windows machine. ryan On 12/12/14 2:53 PM, Robbie Wright via Af wrote: We've used this before with pretty good luck. http://www.paessler.com/tools/snmptester Won't scan a subnet, just an individual host. Robbie Wright Siuslaw Broadband http://siuslawbroadband.com 541-902-5101 On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:51 PM, SmarterBroadband via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Does anyone know of a windows SNMP tool where I can read and write to an OID. Easy tool, just enter subnet and oid to work on and get a list of results? If not windows, gui Linux? Thanks Adam -- D. Ryan Spott | Iron Goat Networks, llc broadband | telco | colo | community PO Box 1232 / 603 W. Stevens Sultan, WA 98284 360-799-0552 | gtalk: rsp...@irongoat.net
Re: [AFMUG] DS-2CE16D5T-(A)VFIT3 - Turbo HD Camera - Hikvision
This have digital zoom with great clarity Jaime Solorza On Dec 12, 2014 6:34 AM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Sorry...these are the ones I am installing that client provided. I will get u info on the higher resolution ones later today. Jaime Solorza On Dec 11, 2014 11:39 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’m looking at them right now. I’m looking for the higher resolution still mode but don’t see it. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza via Af *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 7:27 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* [AFMUG] DS-2CE16D5T-(A)VFIT3 - Turbo HD Camera - Hikvision http://www.hikvision.com/europe/Products_show.asp?id=9899 These are the ones I am installing plus some PTZ Domes... Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] 90 Degree 3.6GHZ Sector
Nothing against KP, I like their stuff. But AP mount, null fill, very consistent pattern wins in my book. I agree, the KP 900 sector has good gain for its size. F/B is not so great, but it's better than the wind load you'd get from a cluster of 4' Til-Tek's, which we've done and took down, because.. no. And no more surfboards, LMG/Antel all the way. That's yet another antenna with null fill and has an excellent pattern. On 12/12/2014 4:12 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I see what you’re talking about. It’s not dramatic, but I would think the best thing would be for the two polarizations to have almost identical patterns. Not sure what to make of the gain vs freq graph which shows more like 15 dBi rather than 16.5 dBi. I think we all suspect that with most antennas, the specs are more “typical” than guaranteed, except for certain high end brands. That might be the deciding difference, unless someone has actual side-by-side field results, I believe the Cambium antennas are per spec. Not saying the KPP ones aren’t. But like people have said about the 900 sectors, you probably lose a dB or two compared to MTI or Til-tek. That said, the last 900 sector I bought was a KPP, it is half the size of the other monsters. But in this case, the Cambium sector with the bracket to hold the 450 AP probably wins out in the mechanical department. *From:* Kade Sullivan via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 3:58 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 90 Degree 3.6GHZ Sector The -3 vs -6 is exactly what I was refering to. When you look closely at the antenna pattern of the KP antenna, it just looks like they pushed each polarity farther away from each other in relation to the cambium antenna. This makes the lobes come out a bit farther and spec out as -3 instead of -6. If you look at each polarity individually, they are more like the -6 cambium sector. This is why I feel like in the real world, there is no advantage. I am no RF engineer though, so this is just what I could determine by looking at the patterns overlapped. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: You’re talking about the “Gen II”, right? That’s the 450 compatible one. I have only compared spec sheets. Looks like 90 degrees is at 3 dB points, while Cambium is more like 5-6 dB. No null fill. 2 degrees downtilt. No bracket to hold AP papoose style. Otherwise similar specwise. KPP also lists a 120 degree sector, the spec sheet is a disaster though. Numbers say 2.4 GHz, pattern is ugly, F/B ratio is bad, not sure if it’s bad editing or what. The numbers and patterns on the 90 look good though, except for no null fill, and make sure tower guy knows there is already 2 degrees downtilt, it’s a pretty narrow vertical beam so you don’t want to double up on downtilt. I have only used the Cambium sector, other than the N connectors are in a mildly annoying location, I like them. Neither antenna is cheap. *From:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 3:06 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 90 Degree 3.6GHZ Sector I expect it's like Mike Tyson vs an infant. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 12, 2014 4:04 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone compared the KP 90 degree 3.6GHZ sector with the Cambium for use with 450?
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.3.3 available now
Well, my bench radio didn't explode, so I guess I'll update the others. On 12/12/2014 10:09 AM, Sakid Ahmed via Af wrote: ePMP Release 2.3.3 is now posted on the Cambium support site @ https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp/ This is a point release that addresses the AP accessibility issue from a different subnet. All other features introduced in R2.3.1 are still available. Thanks Sakid
Re: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s
I had the exact same issue a few months back. One of the coax jumpers was kinked. Replaced and perfect ever since. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Scott Vander Dussen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Ken- Thanks again. This link is not on our network and I don’t have access to SNMP it- here’s the diag plots- about what you expected? Would you concur pigtail replacement on slave side would be a good place to start? Thanks, Scott *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof via Af *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 15:09 *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s Vector error is basically signal to noise ratio, so yes 28 is good and 1.5 is really bad. I would still use the diagnostic plotter to look at vector error over time. It won’t tell you WHY it gets bad, but seeing WHEN it gets bad might help track it down. Or use MRTG/Cacti/etc. to plot the following OIDs: vector error: 1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.5.12.2.0 modulation: 1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.5.12.8.0 Modulation will be a number from 1-15 if I remember right, where 15 is the highest like 64QAM3/4 or whatever and 1 is BPSK. (why do I want to pronounce that “bupkis”?) *From:* Scott Vander Dussen via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 4:59 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s David/Ken- Thanks for the quick and helpful replies. From the manual: Vector Error The vector error measurement compares the received signal’s In phase / Quadrature (IQ) modulation characteristics to an ideal signal to determine the composite error vector magnitude. The results are stored in an histogram and expressed in dB and presented as: max, mean, min and latest. The max, min and latest are true instantaneous measurements; the mean is the mean of a set of one second means. The expected range for Vector Error would be approximately -1.5 dB (NLOS link operating at sensitivity limit on BPSK 0.50) to –28 dB (short LOS link running 64 QAM 0.83). See Section 7.3.1 “Histogram Data”. I interpret this paragraph that -28db is more desirable than -1.5db. Is that correct? If my min values are circa -28db and that’s bad, what would be an expected good value? I don’t think it’s a noise issue, I set the interference threshold to -63. Here’s each side’s SA. Remote side on bottom. I’d favor the pigtail has water intrusion. Thanks again, Scott *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David via Af *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 14:43 *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s Scott, �Have a look at the slave side spectrum manager and see if there is some noise cropping up. If not then you may have some water in a pigtail or defective. Also, may want to do a site walk to see if the antennas may have moved due to weather or something in the path since it was installed. �More often then not the tale tale signature if a bad pig tail is the vector error is all over the place. These things usually dont have grey area when it comes to detailed informational tags like Limited by WIRELESS conditions Start with spectrum manager and see what it says then look at Diag plotter for unusual patterns in vector corrections. On 12/12/2014 03:54 PM, Scott Vander Dussen via Af wrote: I�m diagnosing a slow throughput PTP500 link remotely.� This link�s real-world capacity is only about 2mb/s.� Attached is screenshots of the status page.� Anything stick out as weird or wrong?� It was on 15mb/s channels, I tried 10mb/s � there�s plenty of clean spectrum.� It�s not making sense to me that this is only able to move 2mb/s. � Thanks, Scott � �
Re: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s
I don’t know, I haven’t experienced that problem. I guess start with whatever’s easiest. I should ask, is this 5.4 or 5.7? I’m not sure it would match the symptoms, but are you taking any DFS hits? If you use the Diagnostic Plotter to look at active channel history, do you see it switching channels? Also I’m confused because you have spikes where the vector error goes to zilch, but most of the time it is good. Also in your first set of screenshots, the current modulation was 64QAM. So are you seeing 2 Mbps all the time, or just during these “events”? If you are seeing 2 Mbps all the time, that seems strange. From: Scott Vander Dussen via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 5:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s Ken- Thanks again. This link is not on our network and I don’t have access to SNMP it- here’s the diag plots- about what you expected? Would you concur pigtail replacement on slave side would be a good place to start? Thanks, Scott From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 15:09 To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s Vector error is basically signal to noise ratio, so yes 28 is good and 1.5 is really bad. I would still use the diagnostic plotter to look at vector error over time. It won’t tell you WHY it gets bad, but seeing WHEN it gets bad might help track it down. Or use MRTG/Cacti/etc. to plot the following OIDs: vector error: 1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.5.12.2.0 modulation: 1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.5.12.8.0 Modulation will be a number from 1-15 if I remember right, where 15 is the highest like 64QAM3/4 or whatever and 1 is BPSK. (why do I want to pronounce that “bupkis”?) From: Scott Vander Dussen via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 4:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s David/Ken- Thanks for the quick and helpful replies. From the manual: Vector Error The vector error measurement compares the received signal’s In phase / Quadrature (IQ) modulation characteristics to an ideal signal to determine the composite error vector magnitude. The results are stored in an histogram and expressed in dB and presented as: max, mean, min and latest. The max, min and latest are true instantaneous measurements; the mean is the mean of a set of one second means. The expected range for Vector Error would be approximately -1.5 dB (NLOS link operating at sensitivity limit on BPSK 0.50) to –28 dB (short LOS link running 64 QAM 0.83). See Section 7.3.1 “Histogram Data”. I interpret this paragraph that -28db is more desirable than -1.5db. Is that correct? If my min values are circa -28db and that’s bad, what would be an expected good value? I don’t think it’s a noise issue, I set the interference threshold to -63. Here’s each side’s SA. Remote side on bottom. I’d favor the pigtail has water intrusion. Thanks again, Scott From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 14:43 To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s Scott, �Have a look at the slave side spectrum manager and see if there is some noise cropping up. If not then you may have some water in a pigtail or defective. Also, may want to do a site walk to see if the antennas may have moved due to weather or something in the path since it was installed. �More often then not the tale tale signature if a bad pig tail is the vector error is all over the place. These things usually dont have grey area when it comes to detailed informational tags like Limited by WIRELESS conditions Start with spectrum manager and see what it says then look at Diag plotter for unusual patterns in vector corrections. On 12/12/2014 03:54 PM, Scott Vander Dussen via Af wrote: I�m diagnosing a slow throughput PTP500 link remotely.� This link�s real-world capacity is only about 2mb/s.� Attached is screenshots of the status page.� Anything stick out as weird or wrong?� It was on 15mb/s channels, I tried 10mb/s � there�s plenty of clean spectrum.� It�s not making sense to me that this is only able to move 2mb/s. � Thanks, Scott � �
Re: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s
Noise?? On Friday, December 12, 2014, Scott Vander Dussen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’m diagnosing a slow throughput PTP500 link remotely. This link’s real-world capacity is only about 2mb/s. Attached is screenshots of the status page. Anything stick out as weird or wrong? It was on 15mb/s channels, I tried 10mb/s – there’s plenty of clean spectrum. It’s not making sense to me that this is only able to move 2mb/s. Thanks, Scott
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Tools
Yes, speed keys. Had a 450 SM fail today, one we have put an unlimited key in. Now junk. Lost the key. Fitted a new 450 10meg SM and added a new key. Do not like keys…. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 2:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Tools same thing happened to us as it did to Tushar and i refused to pay again to move to their crappy wireless manager product. some things cambium gets really right...some things they are out right stupid about. did i mention speed keys yet today??? hey cambium get rid of the speed keys and give us a good management platform...oh yeah and a pony too :-) -sean On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So David how much so far have you spent on wireless Manager? Next year or 2 if they come out with new system and tell you to pay again, and tell you old system will not be supported and for newer radio you need new system and will have to pay for all your old AP's to make it work on new system, will you pay them again? In our case we had spent $20k + hardware so close to $30k on prizm, we could not transfer anything to wireless manager, they wanted us to pay again. Same could happen again with new CNS (or whatever is called now). Tushar On Dec 12, 2014, at 4:32 PM, David via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Tushar, we bought the Wireless manager just to display our map of infrastructure on a 50 screen in the lobby. Cool! Once I started getting the keys to support most of our infrastructure I began to investigate more in depth of what all we could do more with it. It allows me to make global changes on the fly and create complex templates for any of our PTP links and APs. This makes for a good day when provisioning a replacement radio when one gets hit by lightning. Other than making network wide changes like modifying protocol filtering or nat templates its ok. I believe but not sure it has the ability to check for service availability at first glance from a subscriber. On 12/12/2014 04:16 PM, Tushar Patel via Af wrote: If history is any guide, (BAM, Prizm ) and not continue to support. After poring close to $30k in prizm, cambium wanted us to buy new license for all AP's and backhal again for wireless manager. I could not believe it. You are better off not wasting your time and money into their management platform. We won wireless manager in something and still did not install it. When we did install it, we were not impressed. Don't waste your time and money. Tushar On Dec 12, 2014, at 2:33 PM, SmarterBroadband via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I assume Wireless manager is still a pay for product? Anyone using Wireless Advisor? Is it worth installing? Thanks Adam
