Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

[Josh Reynolds]

You actually don't want SFPs for consumer products and many applications.
It's more economical (and other reasons) to use the existing UTP if
possible, hence 2.5/5/25Gbps Ethernet over UTP and G.FAST over cat3/cat5.
On Jun 4, 2016 10:43 PM, "Jason Wilson"  wrote:

> Semd Mike Hammett after them. He will get SFP's put on your refrigerator
> soon.
> On Jun 4, 2016 11:52 AM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
>
>> Nice.
>>
>>
>>
>> Looks like it won’t be approved for production until September, and who
>> knows when routers will implement it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Probably a couple years before it’s scale makes it cheap and Mikrotik
>> adopts it…
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 4, 2016 12:49 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>>
>>
>>
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.5GBASE-T_and_5GBASE-T
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2016 1:45 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
>>
>> So are you saying there is a standard coming out that can do over 1Gbps
>> over Cat5e?
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to see that sooner than later.
>>
>>
>>
>> I can’t sell anything above a 1 Gigabit over existing house wire because
>> there are no transceivers or routers that handle more than GigE.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 4, 2016 12:41 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>>
>>
>>
>> 802.11ad is going to bring 5Gbps and 10Gbps Ethernet into the
>> mainstream... in about 3-5 years.
>>
>> Most devices aren't but 1x1 or 2x2 on 802.11ac, which drastically limits
>> their bandwidth, even on 80mhz and 80+80 channels. An 8x8 radio on 802.11AC
>> 3rd gen with all clients and the AP capable of MU-MIMO with a bunch of
>> devices on it? Then more than a gig or more than a 1x1G lag makes sense.
>> Those devices will have 5Gbps over copper support using the existing
>> copper, maybe even 2x5Gbps ports.
>>
>> Still, those devices will be plugged into layer3 switches for proper
>> east-west traffic speeds at line rate, that can support POE 802.3at and the
>> 5Gbps over copper rates. They will likely have several 5Gbps ports, and a
>> handful of 25Gbps over copper.
>>
>> You won't see much SFP+ in homes. WAN ports for CPE devices will be
>> limited to 1Gbps for the next few years at a minimum. 5years before you see
>> a 5Gbps WAN port would be my guess, and even then they will be rare.
>>
>> Sources - my own research, and comments from several router manufacturers
>> and FTTH vendors.
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2016 1:18 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
>>
>> You sound like the guy in 2003 that told me no one will ever need more
>> than 10Mbps, why would a home want an internet connection at 10Mbps.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m in a business building infrastructure for the next 10-20 years, so
>> this is where I am looking at 10Gbps to the home.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are actual ISP’s that sell 10Gbps connections.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have several customers with a 10Gbps SFP+ connection inside their home
>> already.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do they use it all the time? No, they don’t, not even close.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can they get 9+Gbps on speedtest.net?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, they can.
>>
>>
>>
>> With a desktop computer with a SFP+ card in it.
>>
>>
>>
>> What I want is a high powered wireless router that can do close to 1Gbps
>> wireless (which they have), AND have an SFP+ internet port so it can do
>> over 1Gbps NAT traffic.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suppose IPv6 routed would be a lot easier on the router CPU in the
>> future, so that makes it more likely.
>>
>>
>>
>> They just need to put a SFP+ interface on one of these bad boys:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/RT-AC5300-Wireless-Tri-Band-AiProtection-Complete/dp/B0167HG1V6
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 4, 2016 6:00 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>>
>>
>>
>> There is not a single residential sub who would need a 10 gig home
>> router. That's insane and router manufacturers aren't gonna make one until
>> more isps are selling 10 gig. Anyway it's silly to even think a single home
>> needs a gig. They still only average about the same usage as a 20 mbps
>> wireless sub.
>>
>> Sent from my smartphone. Please excuse any typos.
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2016 2:22 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>> I was about to get to that actually :) I'm still not sure where his gripe
>> lies. I think it's something along the lines of wanting a 10G "home router".
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2016 1:28 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>>
>> thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm quite confused. Can you 

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

[Jason Wilson]

Semd Mike Hammett after them. He will get SFP's put on your refrigerator
soon.
On Jun 4, 2016 11:52 AM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> Nice.
>
>
>
> Looks like it won’t be approved for production until September, and who
> knows when routers will implement it.
>
>
>
> Probably a couple years before it’s scale makes it cheap and Mikrotik
> adopts it…
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 4, 2016 12:49 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>
>
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.5GBASE-T_and_5GBASE-T
>
> On Jun 4, 2016 1:45 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
>
> So are you saying there is a standard coming out that can do over 1Gbps
> over Cat5e?
>
>
>
> I would like to see that sooner than later.
>
>
>
> I can’t sell anything above a 1 Gigabit over existing house wire because
> there are no transceivers or routers that handle more than GigE.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 4, 2016 12:41 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>
>
>
> 802.11ad is going to bring 5Gbps and 10Gbps Ethernet into the
> mainstream... in about 3-5 years.
>
> Most devices aren't but 1x1 or 2x2 on 802.11ac, which drastically limits
> their bandwidth, even on 80mhz and 80+80 channels. An 8x8 radio on 802.11AC
> 3rd gen with all clients and the AP capable of MU-MIMO with a bunch of
> devices on it? Then more than a gig or more than a 1x1G lag makes sense.
> Those devices will have 5Gbps over copper support using the existing
> copper, maybe even 2x5Gbps ports.
>
> Still, those devices will be plugged into layer3 switches for proper
> east-west traffic speeds at line rate, that can support POE 802.3at and the
> 5Gbps over copper rates. They will likely have several 5Gbps ports, and a
> handful of 25Gbps over copper.
>
> You won't see much SFP+ in homes. WAN ports for CPE devices will be
> limited to 1Gbps for the next few years at a minimum. 5years before you see
> a 5Gbps WAN port would be my guess, and even then they will be rare.
>
> Sources - my own research, and comments from several router manufacturers
> and FTTH vendors.
>
> On Jun 4, 2016 1:18 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
>
> You sound like the guy in 2003 that told me no one will ever need more
> than 10Mbps, why would a home want an internet connection at 10Mbps.
>
>
>
> I’m in a business building infrastructure for the next 10-20 years, so
> this is where I am looking at 10Gbps to the home.
>
>
>
> There are actual ISP’s that sell 10Gbps connections.
>
>
>
> I have several customers with a 10Gbps SFP+ connection inside their home
> already.
>
>
>
> Do they use it all the time? No, they don’t, not even close.
>
>
>
> Can they get 9+Gbps on speedtest.net?
>
>
>
> Yes, they can.
>
>
>
> With a desktop computer with a SFP+ card in it.
>
>
>
> What I want is a high powered wireless router that can do close to 1Gbps
> wireless (which they have), AND have an SFP+ internet port so it can do
> over 1Gbps NAT traffic.
>
>
>
> I suppose IPv6 routed would be a lot easier on the router CPU in the
> future, so that makes it more likely.
>
>
>
> They just need to put a SFP+ interface on one of these bad boys:
>
>
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/RT-AC5300-Wireless-Tri-Band-AiProtection-Complete/dp/B0167HG1V6
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 4, 2016 6:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>
>
>
> There is not a single residential sub who would need a 10 gig home router.
> That's insane and router manufacturers aren't gonna make one until more
> isps are selling 10 gig. Anyway it's silly to even think a single home
> needs a gig. They still only average about the same usage as a 20 mbps
> wireless sub.
>
> Sent from my smartphone. Please excuse any typos.
>
> On Jun 4, 2016 2:22 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
> I was about to get to that actually :) I'm still not sure where his gripe
> lies. I think it's something along the lines of wanting a 10G "home router".
>
> On Jun 4, 2016 1:28 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>
> thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
> I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in
> your opinion, where the problem lies?
>
> On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
>
> I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK
> wireless AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4
> GigE ports, but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.
>
>
>
> Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual transport
> the wireless to 

Re: [AFMUG] 420

[Jaime Solorza]

Amen
On Jun 4, 2016 10:36 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> One of my sons is starting his final year in electrical engineering this
> fall.
> Will be taking an RF design class ECEN420.
>
> I grinned and told him he is might have a hard time remembering the
> lectures,  he replied “yeah, too much magic smoke”.
>
> (All my sons are returned Mormon missionaries, pretty straight arrow boy
> scouts.  Their dad was the total  opposite in the 1970s.  They can even
> quote some Cheech and Chong.  I am so proud).
>

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

[Sterling Jacobson]

Nice.

Looks like it won’t be approved for production until September, and who knows 
when routers will implement it.

Probably a couple years before it’s scale makes it cheap and Mikrotik adopts it…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 12:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.5GBASE-T_and_5GBASE-T
On Jun 4, 2016 1:45 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
> wrote:
So are you saying there is a standard coming out that can do over 1Gbps over 
Cat5e?

I would like to see that sooner than later.

I can’t sell anything above a 1 Gigabit over existing house wire because there 
are no transceivers or routers that handle more than GigE.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 12:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router


802.11ad is going to bring 5Gbps and 10Gbps Ethernet into the mainstream... in 
about 3-5 years.

Most devices aren't but 1x1 or 2x2 on 802.11ac, which drastically limits their 
bandwidth, even on 80mhz and 80+80 channels. An 8x8 radio on 802.11AC 3rd gen 
with all clients and the AP capable of MU-MIMO with a bunch of devices on it? 
Then more than a gig or more than a 1x1G lag makes sense. Those devices will 
have 5Gbps over copper support using the existing copper, maybe even 2x5Gbps 
ports.

Still, those devices will be plugged into layer3 switches for proper east-west 
traffic speeds at line rate, that can support POE 802.3at and the 5Gbps over 
copper rates. They will likely have several 5Gbps ports, and a handful of 
25Gbps over copper.

You won't see much SFP+ in homes. WAN ports for CPE devices will be limited to 
1Gbps for the next few years at a minimum. 5years before you see a 5Gbps WAN 
port would be my guess, and even then they will be rare.

Sources - my own research, and comments from several router manufacturers and 
FTTH vendors.
On Jun 4, 2016 1:18 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
> wrote:
You sound like the guy in 2003 that told me no one will ever need more than 
10Mbps, why would a home want an internet connection at 10Mbps.

I’m in a business building infrastructure for the next 10-20 years, so this is 
where I am looking at 10Gbps to the home.

There are actual ISP’s that sell 10Gbps connections.

I have several customers with a 10Gbps SFP+ connection inside their home 
already.

Do they use it all the time? No, they don’t, not even close.

Can they get 9+Gbps on speedtest.net?

Yes, they can.

With a desktop computer with a SFP+ card in it.

What I want is a high powered wireless router that can do close to 1Gbps 
wireless (which they have), AND have an SFP+ internet port so it can do over 
1Gbps NAT traffic.

I suppose IPv6 routed would be a lot easier on the router CPU in the future, so 
that makes it more likely.

They just need to put a SFP+ interface on one of these bad boys:

http://www.amazon.com/RT-AC5300-Wireless-Tri-Band-AiProtection-Complete/dp/B0167HG1V6



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 6:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router


There is not a single residential sub who would need a 10 gig home router. 
That's insane and router manufacturers aren't gonna make one until more isps 
are selling 10 gig. Anyway it's silly to even think a single home needs a gig. 
They still only average about the same usage as a 20 mbps wireless sub.

Sent from my smartphone. Please excuse any typos.
On Jun 4, 2016 2:22 AM, "Josh Reynolds" 
> wrote:

I was about to get to that actually :) I'm still not sure where his gripe lies. 
I think it's something along the lines of wanting a 10G "home router".
On Jun 4, 2016 1:28 AM, "Gino Villarini" 
> wrote:
thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:

I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in your 
opinion, where the problem lies?
On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
> wrote:
I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK wireless 
AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4 GigE ports, 
but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.

Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual transport the 
wireless to two GigE connections?

I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of actual 
transport?

If there were an AP that could handle that on triple 

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

[Josh Reynolds]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.5GBASE-T_and_5GBASE-T
On Jun 4, 2016 1:45 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> So are you saying there is a standard coming out that can do over 1Gbps
> over Cat5e?
>
>
>
> I would like to see that sooner than later.
>
>
>
> I can’t sell anything above a 1 Gigabit over existing house wire because
> there are no transceivers or routers that handle more than GigE.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 4, 2016 12:41 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>
>
>
> 802.11ad is going to bring 5Gbps and 10Gbps Ethernet into the
> mainstream... in about 3-5 years.
>
> Most devices aren't but 1x1 or 2x2 on 802.11ac, which drastically limits
> their bandwidth, even on 80mhz and 80+80 channels. An 8x8 radio on 802.11AC
> 3rd gen with all clients and the AP capable of MU-MIMO with a bunch of
> devices on it? Then more than a gig or more than a 1x1G lag makes sense.
> Those devices will have 5Gbps over copper support using the existing
> copper, maybe even 2x5Gbps ports.
>
> Still, those devices will be plugged into layer3 switches for proper
> east-west traffic speeds at line rate, that can support POE 802.3at and the
> 5Gbps over copper rates. They will likely have several 5Gbps ports, and a
> handful of 25Gbps over copper.
>
> You won't see much SFP+ in homes. WAN ports for CPE devices will be
> limited to 1Gbps for the next few years at a minimum. 5years before you see
> a 5Gbps WAN port would be my guess, and even then they will be rare.
>
> Sources - my own research, and comments from several router manufacturers
> and FTTH vendors.
>
> On Jun 4, 2016 1:18 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
>
> You sound like the guy in 2003 that told me no one will ever need more
> than 10Mbps, why would a home want an internet connection at 10Mbps.
>
>
>
> I’m in a business building infrastructure for the next 10-20 years, so
> this is where I am looking at 10Gbps to the home.
>
>
>
> There are actual ISP’s that sell 10Gbps connections.
>
>
>
> I have several customers with a 10Gbps SFP+ connection inside their home
> already.
>
>
>
> Do they use it all the time? No, they don’t, not even close.
>
>
>
> Can they get 9+Gbps on speedtest.net?
>
>
>
> Yes, they can.
>
>
>
> With a desktop computer with a SFP+ card in it.
>
>
>
> What I want is a high powered wireless router that can do close to 1Gbps
> wireless (which they have), AND have an SFP+ internet port so it can do
> over 1Gbps NAT traffic.
>
>
>
> I suppose IPv6 routed would be a lot easier on the router CPU in the
> future, so that makes it more likely.
>
>
>
> They just need to put a SFP+ interface on one of these bad boys:
>
>
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/RT-AC5300-Wireless-Tri-Band-AiProtection-Complete/dp/B0167HG1V6
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 4, 2016 6:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>
>
>
> There is not a single residential sub who would need a 10 gig home router.
> That's insane and router manufacturers aren't gonna make one until more
> isps are selling 10 gig. Anyway it's silly to even think a single home
> needs a gig. They still only average about the same usage as a 20 mbps
> wireless sub.
>
> Sent from my smartphone. Please excuse any typos.
>
> On Jun 4, 2016 2:22 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
> I was about to get to that actually :) I'm still not sure where his gripe
> lies. I think it's something along the lines of wanting a 10G "home router".
>
> On Jun 4, 2016 1:28 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>
> thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
> I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in
> your opinion, where the problem lies?
>
> On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
>
> I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK
> wireless AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4
> GigE ports, but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.
>
>
>
> Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual transport
> the wireless to two GigE connections?
>
>
>
> I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of
> actual transport?
>
>
>
> If there were an AP that could handle that on triple stream AC and dump to
> paired GigE then I guess I could try a Mikrotik CCR as NAT router on SFP+.
>
>
>
> In fact, I don’t even think I’ve tried testing the limits of
> NAT/connection tracking on the CCR.
>
>
>
> I should probably test that out and see how fast it will go.
>
>
>
> I know it will bridge 9+Gbps on a desktop with a SFP+ card on a browser
> going to speedtest.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

[Sterling Jacobson]

So are you saying there is a standard coming out that can do over 1Gbps over 
Cat5e?

I would like to see that sooner than later.

I can’t sell anything above a 1 Gigabit over existing house wire because there 
are no transceivers or routers that handle more than GigE.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 12:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router


802.11ad is going to bring 5Gbps and 10Gbps Ethernet into the mainstream... in 
about 3-5 years.

Most devices aren't but 1x1 or 2x2 on 802.11ac, which drastically limits their 
bandwidth, even on 80mhz and 80+80 channels. An 8x8 radio on 802.11AC 3rd gen 
with all clients and the AP capable of MU-MIMO with a bunch of devices on it? 
Then more than a gig or more than a 1x1G lag makes sense. Those devices will 
have 5Gbps over copper support using the existing copper, maybe even 2x5Gbps 
ports.

Still, those devices will be plugged into layer3 switches for proper east-west 
traffic speeds at line rate, that can support POE 802.3at and the 5Gbps over 
copper rates. They will likely have several 5Gbps ports, and a handful of 
25Gbps over copper.

You won't see much SFP+ in homes. WAN ports for CPE devices will be limited to 
1Gbps for the next few years at a minimum. 5years before you see a 5Gbps WAN 
port would be my guess, and even then they will be rare.

Sources - my own research, and comments from several router manufacturers and 
FTTH vendors.
On Jun 4, 2016 1:18 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
> wrote:
You sound like the guy in 2003 that told me no one will ever need more than 
10Mbps, why would a home want an internet connection at 10Mbps.

I’m in a business building infrastructure for the next 10-20 years, so this is 
where I am looking at 10Gbps to the home.

There are actual ISP’s that sell 10Gbps connections.

I have several customers with a 10Gbps SFP+ connection inside their home 
already.

Do they use it all the time? No, they don’t, not even close.

Can they get 9+Gbps on speedtest.net?

Yes, they can.

With a desktop computer with a SFP+ card in it.

What I want is a high powered wireless router that can do close to 1Gbps 
wireless (which they have), AND have an SFP+ internet port so it can do over 
1Gbps NAT traffic.

I suppose IPv6 routed would be a lot easier on the router CPU in the future, so 
that makes it more likely.

They just need to put a SFP+ interface on one of these bad boys:

http://www.amazon.com/RT-AC5300-Wireless-Tri-Band-AiProtection-Complete/dp/B0167HG1V6



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 6:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router


There is not a single residential sub who would need a 10 gig home router. 
That's insane and router manufacturers aren't gonna make one until more isps 
are selling 10 gig. Anyway it's silly to even think a single home needs a gig. 
They still only average about the same usage as a 20 mbps wireless sub.

Sent from my smartphone. Please excuse any typos.
On Jun 4, 2016 2:22 AM, "Josh Reynolds" 
> wrote:

I was about to get to that actually :) I'm still not sure where his gripe lies. 
I think it's something along the lines of wanting a 10G "home router".
On Jun 4, 2016 1:28 AM, "Gino Villarini" 
> wrote:
thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:

I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in your 
opinion, where the problem lies?
On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
> wrote:
I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK wireless 
AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4 GigE ports, 
but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.

Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual transport the 
wireless to two GigE connections?

I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of actual 
transport?

If there were an AP that could handle that on triple stream AC and dump to 
paired GigE then I guess I could try a Mikrotik CCR as NAT router on SFP+.

In fact, I don’t even think I’ve tried testing the limits of NAT/connection 
tracking on the CCR.

I should probably test that out and see how fast it will go.

I know it will bridge 9+Gbps on a desktop with a SFP+ card on a browser going 
to speedtest.net





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 10:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ 

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

[Ken Hohhof]

You’ll need a $1500 USB cable to go with that router.

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 1:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

Does that thing walk around?

On Saturday, June 4, 2016, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:

  You sound like the guy in 2003 that told me no one will ever need more than 
10Mbps, why would a home want an internet connection at 10Mbps.



  I’m in a business building infrastructure for the next 10-20 years, so this 
is where I am looking at 10Gbps to the home.



  There are actual ISP’s that sell 10Gbps connections.



  I have several customers with a 10Gbps SFP+ connection inside their home 
already.



  Do they use it all the time? No, they don’t, not even close.



  Can they get 9+Gbps on speedtest.net? 



  Yes, they can.



  With a desktop computer with a SFP+ card in it.



  What I want is a high powered wireless router that can do close to 1Gbps 
wireless (which they have), AND have an SFP+ internet port so it can do over 
1Gbps NAT traffic.



  I suppose IPv6 routed would be a lot easier on the router CPU in the future, 
so that makes it more likely.



  They just need to put a SFP+ interface on one of these bad boys:



  
http://www.amazon.com/RT-AC5300-Wireless-Tri-Band-AiProtection-Complete/dp/B0167HG1V6







  From: Af [mailto:javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] On 
Behalf Of Darin Steffl
  Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 6:00 AM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router



  There is not a single residential sub who would need a 10 gig home router. 
That's insane and router manufacturers aren't gonna make one until more isps 
are selling 10 gig. Anyway it's silly to even think a single home needs a gig. 
They still only average about the same usage as a 20 mbps wireless sub. 

  Sent from my smartphone. Please excuse any typos. 

  On Jun 4, 2016 2:22 AM, "Josh Reynolds" 
 wrote:

I was about to get to that actually :) I'm still not sure where his gripe 
lies. I think it's something along the lines of wanting a 10G "home router".

On Jun 4, 2016 1:28 AM, "Gino Villarini" 
 wrote:

  thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet



  On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in 
your opinion, where the problem lies?

On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
 wrote:

  I just find it frustrating that the top of the line 
ASUS/Netgear/DLINK wireless AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps 
wireless and have 4 GigE ports, but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.



  Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual 
transport the wireless to two GigE connections?



  I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of 
actual transport?



  If there were an AP that could handle that on triple stream AC and 
dump to paired GigE then I guess I could try a Mikrotik CCR as NAT router on 
SFP+.



  In fact, I don’t even think I’ve tried testing the limits of 
NAT/connection tracking on the CCR.



  I should probably test that out and see how fast it will go.



  I know it will bridge 9+Gbps on a desktop with a SFP+ card on a 
browser going to speedtest.net











  From: Af 
[mailto:javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] On Behalf Of Josh 
Reynolds
  Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 10:24 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router



  I've got some Telco systems 4x10 on order, but these are for 
redundant 10G customers of ours.

  A consumer router with 10G? Not quite.

  On Jun 3, 2016 10:54 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
 wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer 
wireless router with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

[Josh Reynolds]

802.11ad is going to bring 5Gbps and 10Gbps Ethernet into the mainstream...
in about 3-5 years.

Most devices aren't but 1x1 or 2x2 on 802.11ac, which drastically limits
their bandwidth, even on 80mhz and 80+80 channels. An 8x8 radio on 802.11AC
3rd gen with all clients and the AP capable of MU-MIMO with a bunch of
devices on it? Then more than a gig or more than a 1x1G lag makes sense.
Those devices will have 5Gbps over copper support using the existing
copper, maybe even 2x5Gbps ports.

Still, those devices will be plugged into layer3 switches for proper
east-west traffic speeds at line rate, that can support POE 802.3at and the
5Gbps over copper rates. They will likely have several 5Gbps ports, and a
handful of 25Gbps over copper.

You won't see much SFP+ in homes. WAN ports for CPE devices will be limited
to 1Gbps for the next few years at a minimum. 5years before you see a 5Gbps
WAN port would be my guess, and even then they will be rare.

Sources - my own research, and comments from several router manufacturers
and FTTH vendors.
On Jun 4, 2016 1:18 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> You sound like the guy in 2003 that told me no one will ever need more
> than 10Mbps, why would a home want an internet connection at 10Mbps.
>
>
>
> I’m in a business building infrastructure for the next 10-20 years, so
> this is where I am looking at 10Gbps to the home.
>
>
>
> There are actual ISP’s that sell 10Gbps connections.
>
>
>
> I have several customers with a 10Gbps SFP+ connection inside their home
> already.
>
>
>
> Do they use it all the time? No, they don’t, not even close.
>
>
>
> Can they get 9+Gbps on speedtest.net?
>
>
>
> Yes, they can.
>
>
>
> With a desktop computer with a SFP+ card in it.
>
>
>
> What I want is a high powered wireless router that can do close to 1Gbps
> wireless (which they have), AND have an SFP+ internet port so it can do
> over 1Gbps NAT traffic.
>
>
>
> I suppose IPv6 routed would be a lot easier on the router CPU in the
> future, so that makes it more likely.
>
>
>
> They just need to put a SFP+ interface on one of these bad boys:
>
>
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/RT-AC5300-Wireless-Tri-Band-AiProtection-Complete/dp/B0167HG1V6
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 4, 2016 6:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>
>
>
> There is not a single residential sub who would need a 10 gig home router.
> That's insane and router manufacturers aren't gonna make one until more
> isps are selling 10 gig. Anyway it's silly to even think a single home
> needs a gig. They still only average about the same usage as a 20 mbps
> wireless sub.
>
> Sent from my smartphone. Please excuse any typos.
>
> On Jun 4, 2016 2:22 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
> I was about to get to that actually :) I'm still not sure where his gripe
> lies. I think it's something along the lines of wanting a 10G "home router".
>
> On Jun 4, 2016 1:28 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>
> thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
> I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in
> your opinion, where the problem lies?
>
> On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
>
> I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK
> wireless AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4
> GigE ports, but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.
>
>
>
> Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual transport
> the wireless to two GigE connections?
>
>
>
> I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of
> actual transport?
>
>
>
> If there were an AP that could handle that on triple stream AC and dump to
> paired GigE then I guess I could try a Mikrotik CCR as NAT router on SFP+.
>
>
>
> In fact, I don’t even think I’ve tried testing the limits of
> NAT/connection tracking on the CCR.
>
>
>
> I should probably test that out and see how fast it will go.
>
>
>
> I know it will bridge 9+Gbps on a desktop with a SFP+ card on a browser
> going to speedtest.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, June 3, 2016 10:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>
>
>
> I've got some Telco systems 4x10 on order, but these are for redundant 10G
> customers of ours.
>
> A consumer router with 10G? Not quite.
>
> On Jun 3, 2016 10:54 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless
> router with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

[Jason McKemie]

Does that thing walk around?

On Saturday, June 4, 2016, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:

> You sound like the guy in 2003 that told me no one will ever need more
> than 10Mbps, why would a home want an internet connection at 10Mbps.
>
>
>
> I’m in a business building infrastructure for the next 10-20 years, so
> this is where I am looking at 10Gbps to the home.
>
>
>
> There are actual ISP’s that sell 10Gbps connections.
>
>
>
> I have several customers with a 10Gbps SFP+ connection inside their home
> already.
>
>
>
> Do they use it all the time? No, they don’t, not even close.
>
>
>
> Can they get 9+Gbps on speedtest.net?
>
>
>
> Yes, they can.
>
>
>
> With a desktop computer with a SFP+ card in it.
>
>
>
> What I want is a high powered wireless router that can do close to 1Gbps
> wireless (which they have), AND have an SFP+ internet port so it can do
> over 1Gbps NAT traffic.
>
>
>
> I suppose IPv6 routed would be a lot easier on the router CPU in the
> future, so that makes it more likely.
>
>
>
> They just need to put a SFP+ interface on one of these bad boys:
>
>
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/RT-AC5300-Wireless-Tri-Band-AiProtection-Complete/dp/B0167HG1V6
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Darin
> Steffl
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 4, 2016 6:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>
>
>
> There is not a single residential sub who would need a 10 gig home router.
> That's insane and router manufacturers aren't gonna make one until more
> isps are selling 10 gig. Anyway it's silly to even think a single home
> needs a gig. They still only average about the same usage as a 20 mbps
> wireless sub.
>
> Sent from my smartphone. Please excuse any typos.
>
> On Jun 4, 2016 2:22 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  > wrote:
>
> I was about to get to that actually :) I'm still not sure where his gripe
> lies. I think it's something along the lines of wanting a 10G "home router".
>
> On Jun 4, 2016 1:28 AM, "Gino Villarini"  > wrote:
>
> thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds  > wrote:
>
> I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in
> your opinion, where the problem lies?
>
> On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  > wrote:
>
> I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK
> wireless AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4
> GigE ports, but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.
>
>
>
> Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual transport
> the wireless to two GigE connections?
>
>
>
> I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of
> actual transport?
>
>
>
> If there were an AP that could handle that on triple stream AC and dump to
> paired GigE then I guess I could try a Mikrotik CCR as NAT router on SFP+.
>
>
>
> In fact, I don’t even think I’ve tried testing the limits of
> NAT/connection tracking on the CCR.
>
>
>
> I should probably test that out and see how fast it will go.
>
>
>
> I know it will bridge 9+Gbps on a desktop with a SFP+ card on a browser
> going to speedtest.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Josh
> Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, June 3, 2016 10:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>
>
>
> I've got some Telco systems 4x10 on order, but these are for redundant 10G
> customers of ours.
>
> A consumer router with 10G? Not quite.
>
> On Jun 3, 2016 10:54 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  > wrote:
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless
> router with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

[Sterling Jacobson]

You sound like the guy in 2003 that told me no one will ever need more than 
10Mbps, why would a home want an internet connection at 10Mbps.

I’m in a business building infrastructure for the next 10-20 years, so this is 
where I am looking at 10Gbps to the home.

There are actual ISP’s that sell 10Gbps connections.

I have several customers with a 10Gbps SFP+ connection inside their home 
already.

Do they use it all the time? No, they don’t, not even close.

Can they get 9+Gbps on speedtest.net?

Yes, they can.

With a desktop computer with a SFP+ card in it.

What I want is a high powered wireless router that can do close to 1Gbps 
wireless (which they have), AND have an SFP+ internet port so it can do over 
1Gbps NAT traffic.

I suppose IPv6 routed would be a lot easier on the router CPU in the future, so 
that makes it more likely.

They just need to put a SFP+ interface on one of these bad boys:

http://www.amazon.com/RT-AC5300-Wireless-Tri-Band-AiProtection-Complete/dp/B0167HG1V6



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 6:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router


There is not a single residential sub who would need a 10 gig home router. 
That's insane and router manufacturers aren't gonna make one until more isps 
are selling 10 gig. Anyway it's silly to even think a single home needs a gig. 
They still only average about the same usage as a 20 mbps wireless sub.

Sent from my smartphone. Please excuse any typos.
On Jun 4, 2016 2:22 AM, "Josh Reynolds" 
> wrote:

I was about to get to that actually :) I'm still not sure where his gripe lies. 
I think it's something along the lines of wanting a 10G "home router".
On Jun 4, 2016 1:28 AM, "Gino Villarini" 
> wrote:
thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:

I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in your 
opinion, where the problem lies?
On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
> wrote:
I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK wireless 
AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4 GigE ports, 
but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.

Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual transport the 
wireless to two GigE connections?

I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of actual 
transport?

If there were an AP that could handle that on triple stream AC and dump to 
paired GigE then I guess I could try a Mikrotik CCR as NAT router on SFP+.

In fact, I don’t even think I’ve tried testing the limits of NAT/connection 
tracking on the CCR.

I should probably test that out and see how fast it will go.

I know it will bridge 9+Gbps on a desktop with a SFP+ card on a browser going 
to speedtest.net





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 10:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router


I've got some Telco systems 4x10 on order, but these are for redundant 10G 
customers of ours.

A consumer router with 10G? Not quite.
On Jun 3, 2016 10:54 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
> wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless router 
with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bitcoin in the $570's time to unload?

[Kade Sullivan]

The reward for mining a block is about to go from 25 coins to 12 coins.
I'm guessing the price will go crazy at that point as well.  Coinbase seems
to think this may happen in august.

Anyone thats into mining know anything about this that can offer more
insight?

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> you gotta know when to hole em, know when to fold em...know when to walk
> away, and know when to run ;-)
>
> your guess is as good as mine.  I haven't read much on what is causing the
> recent price surge but it's probably temporary and not sustainable.
>
> 2 cents
>
> -sean
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> Still holding Bitcoin... should i unload or ride the current upswing wave
>> a bit more? my coin avg cost was $420
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bought a new printer cable

[Seth Mattinen]

On 6/3/16 22:33, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

My HP LaserJet is now hovering 4" above the tablet and emitting bolts of
blue lightning.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/audioquest-16-4-usb-a-to-usb-b-cable-black-gray/4022646.p?id=1218449994838=4022646





The 16.4' length is extremely optimal.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bought a new printer cable

[Jason McKemie]

They probably have. Wouldn't take too many to make a ton of money either.
I've heard sales guys pitching their HDMI cables, as though they give you a
better picture - apparently they make 1's and 0's shinier as well. It's
what I like to call the "Cristal syndrome".

On Saturday, June 4, 2016, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Ever seen "rich kids of Instagram"? I bet they have sold more than a few.
> On Jun 4, 2016 11:13 AM, "Mathew Howard"  > wrote:
>
>> I wonder if they've ever sold one...
>> On Jun 4, 2016 11:08 AM, "Jason McKemie" <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good lord, I had no idea these hucksters made USB cables.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 4, 2016, Eric Kuhnke >> > wrote:
>>>
 My HP LaserJet is now hovering 4" above the tablet and emitting bolts
 of blue lightning.


 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/audioquest-16-4-usb-a-to-usb-b-cable-black-gray/4022646.p?id=1218449994838=4022646

[AFMUG] 420

[Chuck McCown]

One of my sons is starting his final year in electrical engineering this fall.  
Will be taking an RF design class ECEN420.

I grinned and told him he is might have a hard time remembering the lectures,  
he replied “yeah, too much magic smoke”.

(All my sons are returned Mormon missionaries, pretty straight arrow boy 
scouts.  Their dad was the total  opposite in the 1970s.  They can even quote 
some Cheech and Chong.  I am so proud).

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bought a new printer cable

[Bill Prince]

Steve Martin had a concert plan like that. $10,000 a ticket. The beauty 
of it was he only needed to do one concert.



bp


On 6/4/2016 9:14 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


I think I just found a new business model.

I'm going to spray paint nano loco m5's, and change out the LED colors.

Ubiquiti Mega Loco M5 - Blue Steel Edition

WiFi bridging so silky smooth and fast, the bits can't help but move 
themselves.


On Jun 4, 2016 11:08 AM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:


Good lord, I had no idea these hucksters made USB cables.

On Saturday, June 4, 2016, Eric Kuhnke > wrote:

My HP LaserJet is now hovering 4" above the tablet and
emitting bolts of blue lightning.


http://www.bestbuy.com/site/audioquest-16-4-usb-a-to-usb-b-cable-black-gray/4022646.p?id=1218449994838=4022646

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bought a new printer cable

[Mathew Howard]

I think we should start offering our customers a special gold plated power
beam for just $500 a month extra... guaranteed to make your internet
service 100% shinier and far more corrosion resistant.
On Jun 4, 2016 11:14 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> I think I just found a new business model.
>
> I'm going to spray paint nano loco m5's, and change out the LED colors.
>
> Ubiquiti Mega Loco M5 - Blue Steel Edition
>
> WiFi bridging so silky smooth and fast, the bits can't help but move
> themselves.
> On Jun 4, 2016 11:08 AM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
>> Good lord, I had no idea these hucksters made USB cables.
>>
>> On Saturday, June 4, 2016, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>>
>>> My HP LaserJet is now hovering 4" above the tablet and emitting bolts of
>>> blue lightning.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/audioquest-16-4-usb-a-to-usb-b-cable-black-gray/4022646.p?id=1218449994838=4022646
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bought a new printer cable

[Josh Luthman]

The reviews are pretty fantastic =)

This cord is made out the best silver mined from Bolivia at it's peak
freshness. What most users don't realize is that if the cord is connected
to a game controller and you press up up down down left right left right
start select you will activate the genie locked away inside! The outrageous
price is to cover the genie's wishes, he charges a flat rate. You either
get three wishes or unlimited 360° no scopes in all games, ALL GAMES! Even
pokemon! It's unbelievable! If you're a gamer this is a must buy!



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Ever seen "rich kids of Instagram"? I bet they have sold more than a few.
> On Jun 4, 2016 11:13 AM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>
>> I wonder if they've ever sold one...
>> On Jun 4, 2016 11:08 AM, "Jason McKemie" <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Good lord, I had no idea these hucksters made USB cables.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 4, 2016, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>>>
 My HP LaserJet is now hovering 4" above the tablet and emitting bolts
 of blue lightning.


 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/audioquest-16-4-usb-a-to-usb-b-cable-black-gray/4022646.p?id=1218449994838=4022646

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bought a new printer cable

[Josh Reynolds]

Ever seen "rich kids of Instagram"? I bet they have sold more than a few.
On Jun 4, 2016 11:13 AM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> I wonder if they've ever sold one...
> On Jun 4, 2016 11:08 AM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
>> Good lord, I had no idea these hucksters made USB cables.
>>
>> On Saturday, June 4, 2016, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>>
>>> My HP LaserJet is now hovering 4" above the tablet and emitting bolts of
>>> blue lightning.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/audioquest-16-4-usb-a-to-usb-b-cable-black-gray/4022646.p?id=1218449994838=4022646
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bought a new printer cable

[Josh Reynolds]

I bet they've sold a few, that's the sad part.
On Jun 4, 2016 11:13 AM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> I wonder if they've ever sold one...
> On Jun 4, 2016 11:08 AM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
>> Good lord, I had no idea these hucksters made USB cables.
>>
>> On Saturday, June 4, 2016, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>>
>>> My HP LaserJet is now hovering 4" above the tablet and emitting bolts of
>>> blue lightning.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/audioquest-16-4-usb-a-to-usb-b-cable-black-gray/4022646.p?id=1218449994838=4022646
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bought a new printer cable

[Josh Reynolds]

I think I just found a new business model.

I'm going to spray paint nano loco m5's, and change out the LED colors.

Ubiquiti Mega Loco M5 - Blue Steel Edition

WiFi bridging so silky smooth and fast, the bits can't help but move
themselves.
On Jun 4, 2016 11:08 AM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> Good lord, I had no idea these hucksters made USB cables.
>
> On Saturday, June 4, 2016, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
>> My HP LaserJet is now hovering 4" above the tablet and emitting bolts of
>> blue lightning.
>>
>>
>> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/audioquest-16-4-usb-a-to-usb-b-cable-black-gray/4022646.p?id=1218449994838=4022646
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bought a new printer cable

[Mathew Howard]

I wonder if they've ever sold one...
On Jun 4, 2016 11:08 AM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> Good lord, I had no idea these hucksters made USB cables.
>
> On Saturday, June 4, 2016, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
>> My HP LaserJet is now hovering 4" above the tablet and emitting bolts of
>> blue lightning.
>>
>>
>> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/audioquest-16-4-usb-a-to-usb-b-cable-black-gray/4022646.p?id=1218449994838=4022646
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bought a new printer cable

[Jason McKemie]

Good lord, I had no idea these hucksters made USB cables.

On Saturday, June 4, 2016, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> My HP LaserJet is now hovering 4" above the tablet and emitting bolts of
> blue lightning.
>
>
> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/audioquest-16-4-usb-a-to-usb-b-cable-black-gray/4022646.p?id=1218449994838=4022646
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bought a new printer cable

[Jay Weekley]

I just bought two of these for our office.

Eric Kuhnke wrote:
My HP LaserJet is now hovering 4" above the tablet and emitting bolts 
of blue lightning.


http://www.bestbuy.com/site/audioquest-16-4-usb-a-to-usb-b-cable-black-gray/4022646.p?id=1218449994838=4022646

Re: [AFMUG] Cord is cut

[Chuck McCown]

No subscription charge for the Tivo Roamio.

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 11:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cord is cut

Tivo has a monthly subscription for the channels.  Channel Master does not.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Jay Weekley  wrote:

  ESPN?

  Josh Luthman wrote:


Monthly subscription?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Jun 4, 2016 12:17 AM, "Chuck McCown" > wrote:

Got my Tivo Roamio going.  I get 51 OTA channels. Lots of
features, still learning my way around.
Youtube and Hulu seem to be better quality images than on the
playstation.

Re: [AFMUG] Cord is cut

[Chuck McCown]

Yes, but not sure exactly how.  There is a cost for that.  

-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley 
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 10:39 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cord is cut 


ESPN?

Josh Luthman wrote:


Monthly subscription?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 4, 2016 12:17 AM, "Chuck McCown" > wrote:


Got my Tivo Roamio going.  I get 51 OTA channels. Lots of
features, still learning my way around.
Youtube and Hulu seem to be better quality images than on the
playstation.

Re: [AFMUG] Cord is cut

[Chuck McCown]

Nope

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 10:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cord is cut

Monthly subscription?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 4, 2016 12:17 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Got my Tivo Roamio going.  I get 51 OTA channels.  Lots of features, still 
learning my way around.
  Youtube and Hulu seem to be better quality images than on the playstation.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bought a new printer cable

[can...@believewireless.net]

The reviews are hilarious.

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 1:33 AM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> My HP LaserJet is now hovering 4" above the tablet and emitting bolts of
> blue lightning.
>
>
> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/audioquest-16-4-usb-a-to-usb-b-cable-black-gray/4022646.p?id=1218449994838=4022646
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

[Darin Steffl]

There is not a single residential sub who would need a 10 gig home router.
That's insane and router manufacturers aren't gonna make one until more
isps are selling 10 gig. Anyway it's silly to even think a single home
needs a gig. They still only average about the same usage as a 20 mbps
wireless sub.

Sent from my smartphone. Please excuse any typos.
On Jun 4, 2016 2:22 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> I was about to get to that actually :) I'm still not sure where his gripe
> lies. I think it's something along the lines of wanting a 10G "home router".
> On Jun 4, 2016 1:28 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>
>> thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in
>>> your opinion, where the problem lies?
>>> On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK
 wireless AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4
 GigE ports, but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.



 Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual
 transport the wireless to two GigE connections?



 I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of
 actual transport?



 If there were an AP that could handle that on triple stream AC and dump
 to paired GigE then I guess I could try a Mikrotik CCR as NAT router on
 SFP+.



 In fact, I don’t even think I’ve tried testing the limits of
 NAT/connection tracking on the CCR.



 I should probably test that out and see how fast it will go.



 I know it will bridge 9+Gbps on a desktop with a SFP+ card on a browser
 going to speedtest.net











 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
 *Sent:* Friday, June 3, 2016 10:24 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router



 I've got some Telco systems 4x10 on order, but these are for redundant
 10G customers of ours.

 A consumer router with 10G? Not quite.

 On Jun 3, 2016 10:54 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
 wrote:

 Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless
 router with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?


>>

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

[Josh Reynolds]

I was about to get to that actually :) I'm still not sure where his gripe
lies. I think it's something along the lines of wanting a 10G "home router".
On Jun 4, 2016 1:28 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet
>
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in
>> your opinion, where the problem lies?
>> On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK
>>> wireless AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4
>>> GigE ports, but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual
>>> transport the wireless to two GigE connections?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of
>>> actual transport?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If there were an AP that could handle that on triple stream AC and dump
>>> to paired GigE then I guess I could try a Mikrotik CCR as NAT router on
>>> SFP+.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In fact, I don’t even think I’ve tried testing the limits of
>>> NAT/connection tracking on the CCR.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I should probably test that out and see how fast it will go.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know it will bridge 9+Gbps on a desktop with a SFP+ card on a browser
>>> going to speedtest.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 3, 2016 10:24 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've got some Telco systems 4x10 on order, but these are for redundant
>>> 10G customers of ours.
>>>
>>> A consumer router with 10G? Not quite.
>>>
>>> On Jun 3, 2016 10:54 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless
>>> router with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SwOS FYI

[Josh Reynolds]

Eh, vyatta/vyos/edgeos/brocade vrouter is a pretty fine routing system. I
can get along on mikrotik just fine despite it's quirks, but EdgeOS is very
similar to JUNOS for me.

The fiber Poe has space for fiber slack storage, as does the larger
edgepoints (that are appropriately sized for conduit on the ports).
On Jun 3, 2016 9:35 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> Oh, sorry, thought you were talking about the old UBNT part that was
> 100Mbps only.
>
> I guess they never made that one public, or it died a short death. I still
> have a couple…
>
>
>
> Also I was wrong on the FTC device I guess, it does GigE too.
>
>
>
> I still wish Mikrotik/Routerboard would make the FTC larger with a splice
> case and conduit opening to secure the conduit feeding the drop fiber.
>
> Also it would be nice with two Ethernet ports and management, at least
> SWOS, better ROS.
>
>
>
> I also wish they would make an 8 - 16 port model of the same with SFP+
> port.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, June 3, 2016 6:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SwOS FYI
>
>
>
> Huh?
>
> Er x SFP is gig. Fiber-POE is gig.
>
> On Jun 3, 2016 5:36 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
>
> Not for 1000Mbps.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 4:33 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SwOS FYI
>
> If you just need a media converter, either a Ubiquiti Fiber-POE (minus the
> POE part), or MikroTik media converter would probably be fine. In addition
> to the 260GS, the EdgeRouter X SFP can also have all ports put in switch
> mode, and seems to work fine with generics and juniper coded SFP modules.
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
> > Have you seen any other SFP issues with the RB260GS? I remember
> > Sterling said that very rarely there were some units that, after
> > fluctuations in the power source, didn't detect the SFP unless they
> > were rebooted or the SFP was reinserted.
> >
> > I'm trying to get an idea of their reliability for use as media
> converters.
> >
> > On Jun 3, 2016 4:31 PM, "Jason McKemie"
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > I received a new batch of RB260GS units and after a lot of
> > troubleshooting at an install that showed the local SFP interface as
> > being up, but the remote as down I noticed that they were loaded with
> > the 1.15 firmware. After downgrading to 1.13 the link came right up.
> > The change log shows SwOS 1.16 having a fix for the SFP port getting
> > disabled in certain situations, but mine showed as up, so I'm not sure
> > that is the problem I'm seeing. I didn't have 1.16 on my laptop to test.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

[Gino Villarini]

iirc there is a limited number of 10gpon routers in the market

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 2:28 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet
>
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in
>> your opinion, where the problem lies?
>> On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK
>>> wireless AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4
>>> GigE ports, but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual
>>> transport the wireless to two GigE connections?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of
>>> actual transport?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If there were an AP that could handle that on triple stream AC and dump
>>> to paired GigE then I guess I could try a Mikrotik CCR as NAT router on
>>> SFP+.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In fact, I don’t even think I’ve tried testing the limits of
>>> NAT/connection tracking on the CCR.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I should probably test that out and see how fast it will go.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know it will bridge 9+Gbps on a desktop with a SFP+ card on a browser
>>> going to speedtest.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 3, 2016 10:24 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've got some Telco systems 4x10 on order, but these are for redundant
>>> 10G customers of ours.
>>>
>>> A consumer router with 10G? Not quite.
>>>
>>> On Jun 3, 2016 10:54 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless
>>> router with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

[Gino Villarini]

thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in
> your opinion, where the problem lies?
> On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
>
>> I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK
>> wireless AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4
>> GigE ports, but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual transport
>> the wireless to two GigE connections?
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of
>> actual transport?
>>
>>
>>
>> If there were an AP that could handle that on triple stream AC and dump
>> to paired GigE then I guess I could try a Mikrotik CCR as NAT router on
>> SFP+.
>>
>>
>>
>> In fact, I don’t even think I’ve tried testing the limits of
>> NAT/connection tracking on the CCR.
>>
>>
>>
>> I should probably test that out and see how fast it will go.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know it will bridge 9+Gbps on a desktop with a SFP+ card on a browser
>> going to speedtest.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 3, 2016 10:24 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>>
>>
>>
>> I've got some Telco systems 4x10 on order, but these are for redundant
>> 10G customers of ours.
>>
>> A consumer router with 10G? Not quite.
>>
>> On Jun 3, 2016 10:54 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless
>> router with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?
>>
>>