[AFMUG] Mounting sectors to 80ft self supporter

[TJ Trout]

I need to install many sectors to a ~3 inch leg on a self supporter , I
think the leg is too large for the sectors and I also need more sectors
than I have leg , Chuck's 3 x mtow thing looks nice but I need all of the
sectors to face the same direction.

Any ideas on a way to make or buy some type of stand off that can
accommodate many sectors ? I see the ones that have 4 vertical pipes but
they are very expensive.

Could you upload a pic if you have done this before ?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2001 space odyssey

[Lewis Bergman]

Well... impressive at the time it was made. Also a great way to make a load
of money with a movie with no discernable plot. Kind of like modern art.
In the end, it seemed more about evolution of some kind and making you
think about it and maybe our purpose in it. Obviously was stating we had
help in major evolutionary jumps.

But back to your question. As a movie for enjoyment...I found it a bit
tedious.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016, 11:40 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Is that a positive or negative for the movie?  I forced myself to watch
> it twice, I still have no clue what was happening, and probably won't
> try again.
>
> On 12/9/2016 11:34 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> > Just watched again for the first time in maybe 35 years or so.  WTF?!
> > Maybe 2 more glasses  of bourbon and I can go to bed.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[Chuck McCown]

OK, after my son taught me how to use the remote (you swipe the upper half, it 
is pretty cool) I like the remote.
I taught it to control the volume of the TV and you can search with voice.  I 
really like the remote better than Roku once I got used to it.
Just swipe to skip ahead etc.

The video quality is the best of all the devices I am currently trying.  Gold 
Rush never looked so good.  

It took some time for the Directv app to initialize and load the guide etc.  I 
left it on for an hour and came back to it mostly working.
I did have to upgrade the Apple TV software.

I tried to watched some old episodes of The Profit and it would stop part way 
through with an apologetic error code on the screen.
So, a bit buggy for archived content.  Once they get the DVR function working, 
I think I will cancel SlingTV and Sony Playstation Vue. 

I really like using the voice command for usernames and passwords.  Loaded up 
Netflix, Hulu, Showtime.  
Oddly, no Amazon app.  Must be some bad blood between companies or something. 

Oh well, keeping the Tivo, it does Amazon and all my locals.  Did not see any 
locals on Apple.   

From: can...@believewireless.net 
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 5:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Received mine yesterday. I couldn't tell the difference between it and the HD 
FiOS TV I have. But haven't
moved it to my 4k TV yet. 

Although, I hate the remote. The Roku remote is so ergonomically friendly, just 
not happy with the Apple TV
remote.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 5:21 PM,  wrote:

  FedEx says my apple tv is waiting on my doorstep when I get home.
  Be interesting to see the difference in the user experience as compared to 
viewing on the PC.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2001 space odyssey

[Nate Burke]

Is that a positive or negative for the movie?  I forced myself to watch 
it twice, I still have no clue what was happening, and probably won't 
try again.


On 12/9/2016 11:34 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Just watched again for the first time in maybe 35 years or so.  WTF?!
Maybe 2 more glasses  of bourbon and I can go to bed.

[AFMUG] OT: 2001 space odyssey

[Lewis Bergman]

Just watched again for the first time in maybe 35 years or so.  WTF?!
Maybe 2 more glasses  of bourbon and I can go to bed.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[Seth Mattinen]

On 12/9/16 5:40 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

What do you like about the Roku Remote?  I have both a roku and amazon
fireTV.  I would use the Fire TV, every day over the Roku.  The Roku
remote just doesn't make sense to me.  The '*' button means menu?  Who
came up with that.  And what the heck is 'RDIO'?  When I push it, it
just says this service is no longer available.



It was a internet radio service that paid (or was supposed to pay) Roku 
for button placement but they went out of business and got bought by 
Pandora instead. And Roku probably can't remap it due to contracts or 
something.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] microwave pricing

[Ken Hohhof]

Cisco OEM’s a 5 GHz PTP radio from Exalt.  Old news.  If they bought Exalt, 
that’s news to  me, but I don’t think so.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 8:17 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] microwave pricing

 

I thought exalt was bought out by Crisco...

 

On Dec 9, 2016 5:39 PM, "George Skorup" mailto:geo...@cbcast.com> > wrote:

The G2 does ATPC in all bands. So remote RSL feedback is already there. Exactly 
the same with the Trango ApexPlus which also did ATPC before it did variable 
power. They then later adapted ATPC to provide variable power. Exalt could do 
the same.

On 12/9/2016 4:14 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

I think you may be asking too much to desire ATPC / varying transmit power 
levels on Exalt's lowest priced model 18 GHz licensed band link. It's actually 
a lot easier for the manufacturer to design the link with a fixed +18 or +19 Tx 
power, than to do the feedback loop and control system needed to properly and 
reliably implement ATPC based on RSL thresholds on the other end radio. How do 
you know it definitely does support higher tx power at lower modulations (you 
want +22 at QPSK 3/4???), it's entirely possible the radio itself was designed 
from the beginning as a fixed +18 Tx power.  In any case this should be a moot 
point with a 2 mile link.



 

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 1:38 PM, George Skorup mailto:geo...@cbcast.com> > wrote:

I really hate to admit it, but those requirements would make me look at Exalt 
once more. The ExtendAir G2-18 would be a good fit. We have a link at 2.5 miles 
on Radiowaves HP2's at both ends. It has held up surprisingly well in the rain. 
2 to 2.5 mile AF24 links in the same area drop. I guess the -34dBm RSL helps. 
Yes, it dropped to -70dBm, but still maintained the required 100Mbps FDX.

You get single unit sparing with the replaceable/rotate-able diplexer. They're 
802.3at and use about 26 watts. You get ACM without a license key. They come 
with a base 25Mbps license. If the promo is still going, you get 100Mbps keys 
with it. I don't remember if there's a 200 or 250Mbps or if you have to go from 
100 to the full 370.

The one thing that Ken and I have both asked Exalt for, which at this point I 
expect will never happen, is power per mod level, aka variable power. All you 
get is fixed power with ACM on. IIRC, 18 or 19dBm for 18GHz and 21dBm for 11GHz 
at 256QAM. The radios definitely do support higher power at lower modulations, 
so they're either stupid or lazy. No coordinator will even bother with variable 
power on the PCNs. We tried and got objections stating that "the radios don't 
do that". Exalt kept saying it's coming in future software, yet here we are two 
years later and nothing.

On 12/9/2016 2:47 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

A lot of manufacturers to pick from

With licensing and a spare radio/dish, I'm thinking $9,000.

 

You could talk about other companies' unlicensed 24ghz options and compare 
apples to apples. 

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Eric Muehleisen" mailto:ericm...@gmail.com> >

To:   "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com> >

Sent: 12/9/2016 2:31:13 PM

Subject: [AFMUG] microwave pricing

 

2 mile 18ghz link. Only needing about 150mb/s speeds. 2ft. dish maximum. 
Five9's. Rainzone K. 

 

Need a quick and dirty, ballpark idea of costs including licensing and spare 
radio/dish.

 

Need to price it against an AirFiber24 install. 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[Ken Hohhof]

http://televisions.reviewed.com/features/roku-remote-uselss-rdio-button

 

Selling real estate on remotes.  You could have had a NATE button on everyone’s 
remote, if you had bid higher than RDIO.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 7:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

 

What do you like about the Roku Remote?  I have both a roku and amazon fireTV.  
I would use the Fire TV, every day over the Roku.  The Roku remote just doesn't 
make sense to me.  The '*' button means menu?  Who came up with that.  And what 
the heck is 'RDIO'?  When I push it, it just says this service is no longer 
available.  

On 12/9/2016 7:27 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
  wrote:

Yup, have that. Still not as good as the Roku remote.

 

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

http://www.howtogeek.com/214400/how-to-use-your-iphone-or-ipad-as-a-second-apple-tv-remote/

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of can...@believewireless.net  
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 6:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

 

Received mine yesterday. I couldn't tell the difference between it and the HD 
FiOS TV I have. But haven't

moved it to my 4k TV yet. 

 

Although, I hate the remote. The Roku remote is so ergonomically friendly, just 
not happy with the Apple TV

remote.

 

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 5:21 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

FedEx says my apple tv is waiting on my doorstep when I get home.

Be interesting to see the difference in the user experience as compared to 
viewing on the PC.

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] microwave pricing

[Jaime Solorza]

I thought exalt was bought out by Crisco...

On Dec 9, 2016 5:39 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> The G2 does ATPC in all bands. So remote RSL feedback is already there.
> Exactly the same with the Trango ApexPlus which also did ATPC before it did
> variable power. They then later adapted ATPC to provide variable power.
> Exalt could do the same.
>
> On 12/9/2016 4:14 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> I think you may be asking too much to desire ATPC / varying transmit power
> levels on Exalt's lowest priced model 18 GHz licensed band link. It's
> actually a lot easier for the manufacturer to design the link with a fixed
> +18 or +19 Tx power, than to do the feedback loop and control system needed
> to properly and reliably implement ATPC based on RSL thresholds on the
> other end radio. How do you know it definitely does support higher tx power
> at lower modulations (you want +22 at QPSK 3/4???), it's entirely possible
> the radio itself was designed from the beginning as a fixed +18 Tx power.
> In any case this should be a moot point with a 2 mile link.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 1:38 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> I really hate to admit it, but those requirements would make me look at
>> Exalt once more. The ExtendAir G2-18 would be a good fit. We have a link at
>> 2.5 miles on Radiowaves HP2's at both ends. It has held up surprisingly
>> well in the rain. 2 to 2.5 mile AF24 links in the same area drop. I guess
>> the -34dBm RSL helps. Yes, it dropped to -70dBm, but still maintained the
>> required 100Mbps FDX.
>>
>> You get single unit sparing with the replaceable/rotate-able diplexer.
>> They're 802.3at and use about 26 watts. You get ACM without a license key.
>> They come with a base 25Mbps license. If the promo is still going, you get
>> 100Mbps keys with it. I don't remember if there's a 200 or 250Mbps or if
>> you have to go from 100 to the full 370.
>>
>> The one thing that Ken and I have both asked Exalt for, which at this
>> point I expect will never happen, is power per mod level, aka variable
>> power. All you get is fixed power with ACM on. IIRC, 18 or 19dBm for 18GHz
>> and 21dBm for 11GHz at 256QAM. The radios definitely do support higher
>> power at lower modulations, so they're either stupid or lazy. No
>> coordinator will even bother with variable power on the PCNs. We tried and
>> got objections stating that "the radios don't do that". Exalt kept saying
>> it's coming in future software, yet here we are two years later and nothing.
>>
>> On 12/9/2016 2:47 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> A lot of manufacturers to pick from
>> With licensing and a spare radio/dish, I'm thinking $9,000.
>>
>> You could talk about other companies' unlicensed 24ghz options and
>> compare apples to apples.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Eric Muehleisen" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com"  
>> Sent: 12/9/2016 2:31:13 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] microwave pricing
>>
>> 2 mile 18ghz link. Only needing about 150mb/s speeds. 2ft. dish maximum.
>> Five9's. Rainzone K.
>>
>> Need a quick and dirty, ballpark idea of costs including licensing and
>> spare radio/dish.
>>
>> Need to price it against an AirFiber24 install.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[Bill Prince]

Best remote is any of the Logitech Harmony remotes. We have a 
6-something and it rocks.



bp


On 12/9/2016 5:40 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
What do you like about the Roku Remote?  I have both a roku and amazon 
fireTV.  I would use the Fire TV, every day over the Roku. The Roku 
remote just doesn't make sense to me.  The '*' button means menu?  Who 
came up with that.  And what the heck is 'RDIO'? When I push it, it 
just says this service is no longer available.


On 12/9/2016 7:27 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:

Yup, have that. Still not as good as the Roku remote.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:



http://www.howtogeek.com/214400/how-to-use-your-iphone-or-ipad-as-a-second-apple-tv-remote/

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of
*can...@believewireless.net 
*Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2016 6:19 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Received mine yesterday. I couldn't tell the difference between
it and the HD FiOS TV I have. But haven't

moved it to my 4k TV yet.

Although, I hate the remote. The Roku remote is so ergonomically
friendly, just not happy with the Apple TV

remote.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 5:21 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

FedEx says my apple tv is waiting on my doorstep when I get home.

Be interesting to see the difference in the user experience
as compared to viewing on the PC.

Re: [AFMUG] microwave pricing

[Faisal Imtiaz]

If your budget constrained, you can look at what is available on the secondary 
/ refurb marketplace. 

(Surpluswireless gear can hook you up). 

Last year we did a SAF 18ghz (lumina) w/2ft dishes, worked out to be approx $5k 
with licensing.. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 3:47:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] microwave pricing

> A lot of manufacturers to pick from
> With licensing and a spare radio/dish, I'm thinking $9,000.

> You could talk about other companies' unlicensed 24ghz options and compare
> apples to apples.

> -- Original Message --
> From: "Eric Muehleisen" < ericm...@gmail.com >
> To: "af@afmug.com" < af@afmug.com >
> Sent: 12/9/2016 2:31:13 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] microwave pricing

>> 2 mile 18ghz link. Only needing about 150mb/s speeds. 2ft. dish maximum.
>> Five9's. Rainzone K.

>> Need a quick and dirty, ballpark idea of costs including licensing and spare
>> radio/dish.

>> Need to price it against an AirFiber24 install.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[Lewis Bergman]

I got rid of a 36" one of tour two months ago.  still worked.

On Dec 9, 2016 7:30 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> I  miss my Sony Trinitron.. these fancy TVs we have don't cut it for me
>
> On Dec 9, 2016 6:27 PM, "can...@believewireless.net" <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> Yup, have that. Still not as good as the Roku remote.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.howtogeek.com/214400/how-to-use-your-iphone-or-ip
>>> ad-as-a-second-apple-tv-remote/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
>>> can...@believewireless.net
>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2016 6:19 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Received mine yesterday. I couldn't tell the difference between it and
>>> the HD FiOS TV I have. But haven't
>>>
>>> moved it to my 4k TV yet.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Although, I hate the remote. The Roku remote is so ergonomically
>>> friendly, just not happy with the Apple TV
>>>
>>> remote.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 5:21 PM,  wrote:
>>>
>>> FedEx says my apple tv is waiting on my doorstep when I get home.
>>>
>>> Be interesting to see the difference in the user experience as compared
>>> to viewing on the PC.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[Nate Burke]

What do you like about the Roku Remote?  I have both a roku and amazon 
fireTV.  I would use the Fire TV, every day over the Roku. The Roku 
remote just doesn't make sense to me.  The '*' button means menu?  Who 
came up with that.  And what the heck is 'RDIO'?  When I push it, it 
just says this service is no longer available.


On 12/9/2016 7:27 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:

Yup, have that. Still not as good as the Roku remote.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:



http://www.howtogeek.com/214400/how-to-use-your-iphone-or-ipad-as-a-second-apple-tv-remote/



*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of
*can...@believewireless.net 
*Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2016 6:19 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Received mine yesterday. I couldn't tell the difference between it
and the HD FiOS TV I have. But haven't

moved it to my 4k TV yet.

Although, I hate the remote. The Roku remote is so ergonomically
friendly, just not happy with the Apple TV

remote.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 5:21 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

FedEx says my apple tv is waiting on my doorstep when I get home.

Be interesting to see the difference in the user experience as
compared to viewing on the PC.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[Jaime Solorza]

I  miss my Sony Trinitron.. these fancy TVs we have don't cut it for me

On Dec 9, 2016 6:27 PM, "can...@believewireless.net" <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> Yup, have that. Still not as good as the Roku remote.
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> http://www.howtogeek.com/214400/how-to-use-your-iphone-or-
>> ipad-as-a-second-apple-tv-remote/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
>> can...@believewireless.net
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2016 6:19 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>>
>>
>>
>> Received mine yesterday. I couldn't tell the difference between it and
>> the HD FiOS TV I have. But haven't
>>
>> moved it to my 4k TV yet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Although, I hate the remote. The Roku remote is so ergonomically
>> friendly, just not happy with the Apple TV
>>
>> remote.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 5:21 PM,  wrote:
>>
>> FedEx says my apple tv is waiting on my doorstep when I get home.
>>
>> Be interesting to see the difference in the user experience as compared
>> to viewing on the PC.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[can...@believewireless.net]

Yup, have that. Still not as good as the Roku remote.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> http://www.howtogeek.com/214400/how-to-use-your-iphone-
> or-ipad-as-a-second-apple-tv-remote/
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
> can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2016 6:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
>
>
> Received mine yesterday. I couldn't tell the difference between it and the
> HD FiOS TV I have. But haven't
>
> moved it to my 4k TV yet.
>
>
>
> Although, I hate the remote. The Roku remote is so ergonomically friendly,
> just not happy with the Apple TV
>
> remote.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 5:21 PM,  wrote:
>
> FedEx says my apple tv is waiting on my doorstep when I get home.
>
> Be interesting to see the difference in the user experience as compared to
> viewing on the PC.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[Ken Hohhof]

http://www.howtogeek.com/214400/how-to-use-your-iphone-or-ipad-as-a-second-apple-tv-remote/

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 6:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

 

Received mine yesterday. I couldn't tell the difference between it and the HD 
FiOS TV I have. But haven't

moved it to my 4k TV yet. 

 

Although, I hate the remote. The Roku remote is so ergonomically friendly, just 
not happy with the Apple TV

remote.

 

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 5:21 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

FedEx says my apple tv is waiting on my doorstep when I get home.

Be interesting to see the difference in the user experience as compared to 
viewing on the PC.

 

Re: [AFMUG] microwave pricing

[George Skorup]

The G2 does ATPC in all bands. So remote RSL feedback is already there. 
Exactly the same with the Trango ApexPlus which also did ATPC before it 
did variable power. They then later adapted ATPC to provide variable 
power. Exalt could do the same.


On 12/9/2016 4:14 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
I think you may be asking too much to desire ATPC / varying transmit 
power levels on Exalt's lowest priced model 18 GHz licensed band link. 
It's actually a lot easier for the manufacturer to design the link 
with a fixed +18 or +19 Tx power, than to do the feedback loop and 
control system needed to properly and reliably implement ATPC based on 
RSL thresholds on the other end radio. How do you know it definitely 
does support higher tx power at lower modulations (you want +22 at 
QPSK 3/4???), it's entirely possible the radio itself was designed 
from the beginning as a fixed +18 Tx power.  In any case this should 
be a moot point with a 2 mile link.




On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 1:38 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


I really hate to admit it, but those requirements would make me
look at Exalt once more. The ExtendAir G2-18 would be a good fit.
We have a link at 2.5 miles on Radiowaves HP2's at both ends. It
has held up surprisingly well in the rain. 2 to 2.5 mile AF24
links in the same area drop. I guess the -34dBm RSL helps. Yes, it
dropped to -70dBm, but still maintained the required 100Mbps FDX.

You get single unit sparing with the replaceable/rotate-able
diplexer. They're 802.3at and use about 26 watts. You get ACM
without a license key. They come with a base 25Mbps license. If
the promo is still going, you get 100Mbps keys with it. I don't
remember if there's a 200 or 250Mbps or if you have to go from 100
to the full 370.

The one thing that Ken and I have both asked Exalt for, which at
this point I expect will never happen, is power per mod level, aka
variable power. All you get is fixed power with ACM on. IIRC, 18
or 19dBm for 18GHz and 21dBm for 11GHz at 256QAM. The radios
definitely do support higher power at lower modulations, so
they're either stupid or lazy. No coordinator will even bother
with variable power on the PCNs. We tried and got objections
stating that "the radios don't do that". Exalt kept saying it's
coming in future software, yet here we are two years later and
nothing.

On 12/9/2016 2:47 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

A lot of manufacturers to pick from
With licensing and a spare radio/dish, I'm thinking $9,000.

You could talk about other companies' unlicensed 24ghz options
and compare apples to apples.


-- Original Message --
From: "Eric Muehleisen" mailto:ericm...@gmail.com>>
To: "af@afmug.com"  mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 12/9/2016 2:31:13 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] microwave pricing


2 mile 18ghz link. Only needing about 150mb/s speeds. 2ft. dish
maximum. Five9's. Rainzone K.

Need a quick and dirty, ballpark idea of costs including
licensing and spare radio/dish.

Need to price it against an AirFiber24 install.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[can...@believewireless.net]

Received mine yesterday. I couldn't tell the difference between it and the
HD FiOS TV I have. But haven't
moved it to my 4k TV yet.

Although, I hate the remote. The Roku remote is so ergonomically friendly,
just not happy with the Apple TV
remote.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 5:21 PM,  wrote:

> FedEx says my apple tv is waiting on my doorstep when I get home.
> Be interesting to see the difference in the user experience as compared to
> viewing on the PC.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[Jaime Solorza]

Karma dude karma

On Dec 9, 2016 4:14 PM,  wrote:

> I used to load trucks for UPS in their Portland hub.  That guy was
> treating that monitor with kid gloves compared to what I used to do to make
> my rate quota.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2016 3:50 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
> https://youtu.be/PKUDTPbDhnA
>
> On Dec 9, 2016 3:38 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>> My attack drone got there first.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 12/9/2016 2:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> There is no guard drone, I checked.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 5:36 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> My guard drone will get you.
>>>
>>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2016 3:34 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>>>
>>> Not if I get there first
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 4:21 PM  wrote:
>>>
 FedEx says my apple tv is waiting on my doorstep when I get home.
 Be interesting to see the difference in the user experience as compared
 to viewing on the PC.

>>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Any one recognize this?

[Jaime Solorza]

It's indoorsI suspect for scanning inventory

On Dec 9, 2016 4:15 PM,  wrote:

> Indoor I hope.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2016 4:03 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Any one recognize this?
>
> Saw it at AVX today
>

Re: [AFMUG] Any one recognize this?

[chuck]

Indoor I hope.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 4:03 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Any one recognize this?

Saw it at AVX today 

Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

[Josh Reynolds]

PPTP has been stripped from most products because it is fundamentally
broken

On Dec 9, 2016 2:20 PM, "Matt"  wrote:

> PPTP is so easy.  I hate that Apple dropped support.  I wish they
> would come out with PPTP2 that fixed security issues yet kept it
> simple.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> > PPTP no longer supported on Apple iOS though.
> >
> > L2TP+IPSec is almost as easy as PPTP.  Just use this guide instead of the
> > Mikrotik Wiki which is out of date.
> > https://www.nasa-security.net/mikrotik/mikrotik-l2tp-with-ipsec/
> >
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: "Josh Luthman" 
> > To: "af@afmug.com" 
> > Sent: 12/9/2016 1:09:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik
> >
> > +1 for PPTP
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
> >>
> >> PPTP on mikrotik. It will be same, IP address and username and password.
> >>
> >> Tushar
> >>
> >>
> >> On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:42 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> I have a non WISP customer with some cameras they monitor, not NVR/DVR
> to
> >> speak of yet. The cameras are port forwarded (called pinholes in their
> >> current router) individually, so theyre pretty much exposed IoT targets.
> >> Im putting a mikrotik in because the Fortigate solution is cost
> >> prohibitive. Fortigates ssl vpn is slick, easy and end user friendly
> (for
> >> the client)
> >> Whats the easiest VPN/client on a mikrotik. It would be great if it was
> as
> >> simple as the fortigate, they have a workstation client and most phone
> apps,
> >> All I need to do is give them an IP/FQDN and their username and
> password,
> >> its done.
> >>
> >> --
> >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> >> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[chuck]

I used to load trucks for UPS in their Portland hub.  That guy was treating 
that monitor with kid gloves compared to what I used to do to make my rate 
quota.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 3:50 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

https://youtu.be/PKUDTPbDhnA

On Dec 9, 2016 3:38 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

  My attack drone got there first.


bp


On 12/9/2016 2:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

There is no guard drone, I checked.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 5:36 PM,  wrote:

  My guard drone will get you.  

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 3:34 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  Not if I get there first

  On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 4:21 PM  wrote:

FedEx says my apple tv is waiting on my doorstep when I get home.
Be interesting to see the difference in the user experience as compared 
to viewing on the PC.

Re: [AFMUG] Any one recognize this?

[Eric Kuhnke]

wild guess, receiver for a stage/performance/presentation type wireless
microphone?


On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Saw it at AVX today
>

Re: [AFMUG] [SPAM] Any one recognize this?

[Ken Hohhof]

Bigfoot again?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 5:03 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [SPAM] [AFMUG] Any one recognize this?

 

Saw it at AVX today 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[Jaime Solorza]

https://youtu.be/PKUDTPbDhnA

On Dec 9, 2016 3:38 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> My attack drone got there first.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 12/9/2016 2:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> There is no guard drone, I checked.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 5:36 PM,  wrote:
>
>> My guard drone will get you.
>>
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2016 3:34 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>>
>> Not if I get there first
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 4:21 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> FedEx says my apple tv is waiting on my doorstep when I get home.
>>> Be interesting to see the difference in the user experience as compared
>>> to viewing on the PC.
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[Ken Hohhof]

Much more highbrow user experience.  You might want to dress accordingly.
Siri, what's on PBS tonight?  Ballet?  Excellent!  What wine do you suggest
with that?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 4:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

 

FedEx says my apple tv is waiting on my doorstep when I get home.

Be interesting to see the difference in the user experience as compared to
viewing on the PC.

Re: [AFMUG] microwave pricing

[Ken Hohhof]

As George said, the G2 definitely supports higher xmt power at lower 
modulations if set manually.  They actually promised me the auto feature, even 
gave me a due date and release number for the firmware.  I think what happened 
was they released the G2 with promo pricing, and discovered people would only 
buy it at the promo price, so they pulled development off it.  They also went 
through a messy ownership change around that time, who knows if they even have 
engineers anymore?  Although they released a 6 GHz version of the G2, so I 
guess there’s some development.  They have some big utility customers, like in 
the energy sector, maybe one of them wanted an inexpensive 6 GHz radio.

 

It’s not that big a deal, just annoying.  Wouldn’t be the first time a vendor 
promised something in future firmware and it didn’t happen.

 

It’s the last month of the year, you could always call around and see who needs 
another sale for their quarterly or annual sales numbers.  Nothing wrong with 
Trango Apex Plus for that application.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 4:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] microwave pricing

 

I think you may be asking too much to desire ATPC / varying transmit power 
levels on Exalt's lowest priced model 18 GHz licensed band link. It's actually 
a lot easier for the manufacturer to design the link with a fixed +18 or +19 Tx 
power, than to do the feedback loop and control system needed to properly and 
reliably implement ATPC based on RSL thresholds on the other end radio. How do 
you know it definitely does support higher tx power at lower modulations (you 
want +22 at QPSK 3/4???), it's entirely possible the radio itself was designed 
from the beginning as a fixed +18 Tx power.  In any case this should be a moot 
point with a 2 mile link.



 

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 1:38 PM, George Skorup mailto:geo...@cbcast.com> > wrote:

I really hate to admit it, but those requirements would make me look at Exalt 
once more. The ExtendAir G2-18 would be a good fit. We have a link at 2.5 miles 
on Radiowaves HP2's at both ends. It has held up surprisingly well in the rain. 
2 to 2.5 mile AF24 links in the same area drop. I guess the -34dBm RSL helps. 
Yes, it dropped to -70dBm, but still maintained the required 100Mbps FDX.

You get single unit sparing with the replaceable/rotate-able diplexer. They're 
802.3at and use about 26 watts. You get ACM without a license key. They come 
with a base 25Mbps license. If the promo is still going, you get 100Mbps keys 
with it. I don't remember if there's a 200 or 250Mbps or if you have to go from 
100 to the full 370.

The one thing that Ken and I have both asked Exalt for, which at this point I 
expect will never happen, is power per mod level, aka variable power. All you 
get is fixed power with ACM on. IIRC, 18 or 19dBm for 18GHz and 21dBm for 11GHz 
at 256QAM. The radios definitely do support higher power at lower modulations, 
so they're either stupid or lazy. No coordinator will even bother with variable 
power on the PCNs. We tried and got objections stating that "the radios don't 
do that". Exalt kept saying it's coming in future software, yet here we are two 
years later and nothing.

On 12/9/2016 2:47 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

A lot of manufacturers to pick from

With licensing and a spare radio/dish, I'm thinking $9,000.

 

You could talk about other companies' unlicensed 24ghz options and compare 
apples to apples. 

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Eric Muehleisen" mailto:ericm...@gmail.com> >

To:   "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com> >

Sent: 12/9/2016 2:31:13 PM

Subject: [AFMUG] microwave pricing

 

2 mile 18ghz link. Only needing about 150mb/s speeds. 2ft. dish maximum. 
Five9's. Rainzone K. 

 

Need a quick and dirty, ballpark idea of costs including licensing and spare 
radio/dish.

 

Need to price it against an AirFiber24 install. 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[Bill Prince]

My attack drone got there first.

bp


On 12/9/2016 2:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

There is no guard drone, I checked.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 5:36 PM, > wrote:


My guard drone will get you.
*From:* Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2016 3:34 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
Not if I get there first
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 4:21 PM  wrote:

FedEx says my apple tv is waiting on my doorstep when I get home.
Be interesting to see the difference in the user experience as
compared to viewing on the PC.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[Josh Luthman]

There is no guard drone, I checked.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 5:36 PM,  wrote:

> My guard drone will get you.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2016 3:34 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
> Not if I get there first
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 4:21 PM  wrote:
>
>> FedEx says my apple tv is waiting on my doorstep when I get home.
>> Be interesting to see the difference in the user experience as compared
>> to viewing on the PC.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[chuck]

My guard drone will get you.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 3:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Not if I get there first

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 4:21 PM  wrote:

  FedEx says my apple tv is waiting on my doorstep when I get home.
  Be interesting to see the difference in the user experience as compared to 
viewing on the PC.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[Lewis Bergman]

Not if I get there first

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 4:21 PM  wrote:

> FedEx says my apple tv is waiting on my doorstep when I get home.
> Be interesting to see the difference in the user experience as compared to
> viewing on the PC.
>

[AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[chuck]

FedEx says my apple tv is waiting on my doorstep when I get home.
Be interesting to see the difference in the user experience as compared to 
viewing on the PC.

Re: [AFMUG] microwave pricing

[Eric Kuhnke]

You want five nines at full modulation in rain zone K with 2' dishes, 2
miles, or you want five nines ICMP ping reliability across the link and are
OK with it dropping below 150Mbps on rare heavy rain events?  To different
things.

I would look at the SAF Integra (or slip-fit integra) single pol radio, or
the SIAE AlfoPlus 18 GHz single pol configuration.

You cannot directly compare a +18 Tx power FDD licensed band part 101 link
to an AF24...  Apples and oranges.




On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

> 2 mile 18ghz link. Only needing about 150mb/s speeds. 2ft. dish maximum.
> Five9's. Rainzone K.
>
> Need a quick and dirty, ballpark idea of costs including licensing and
> spare radio/dish.
>
> Need to price it against an AirFiber24 install.
>

Re: [AFMUG] microwave pricing

[Eric Kuhnke]

I think you may be asking too much to desire ATPC / varying transmit power
levels on Exalt's lowest priced model 18 GHz licensed band link. It's
actually a lot easier for the manufacturer to design the link with a fixed
+18 or +19 Tx power, than to do the feedback loop and control system needed
to properly and reliably implement ATPC based on RSL thresholds on the
other end radio. How do you know it definitely does support higher tx power
at lower modulations (you want +22 at QPSK 3/4???), it's entirely possible
the radio itself was designed from the beginning as a fixed +18 Tx power.
In any case this should be a moot point with a 2 mile link.



On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 1:38 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> I really hate to admit it, but those requirements would make me look at
> Exalt once more. The ExtendAir G2-18 would be a good fit. We have a link at
> 2.5 miles on Radiowaves HP2's at both ends. It has held up surprisingly
> well in the rain. 2 to 2.5 mile AF24 links in the same area drop. I guess
> the -34dBm RSL helps. Yes, it dropped to -70dBm, but still maintained the
> required 100Mbps FDX.
>
> You get single unit sparing with the replaceable/rotate-able diplexer.
> They're 802.3at and use about 26 watts. You get ACM without a license key.
> They come with a base 25Mbps license. If the promo is still going, you get
> 100Mbps keys with it. I don't remember if there's a 200 or 250Mbps or if
> you have to go from 100 to the full 370.
>
> The one thing that Ken and I have both asked Exalt for, which at this
> point I expect will never happen, is power per mod level, aka variable
> power. All you get is fixed power with ACM on. IIRC, 18 or 19dBm for 18GHz
> and 21dBm for 11GHz at 256QAM. The radios definitely do support higher
> power at lower modulations, so they're either stupid or lazy. No
> coordinator will even bother with variable power on the PCNs. We tried and
> got objections stating that "the radios don't do that". Exalt kept saying
> it's coming in future software, yet here we are two years later and nothing.
>
> On 12/9/2016 2:47 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> A lot of manufacturers to pick from
> With licensing and a spare radio/dish, I'm thinking $9,000.
>
> You could talk about other companies' unlicensed 24ghz options and compare
> apples to apples.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Eric Muehleisen" 
> To: "af@afmug.com"  
> Sent: 12/9/2016 2:31:13 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] microwave pricing
>
> 2 mile 18ghz link. Only needing about 150mb/s speeds. 2ft. dish maximum.
> Five9's. Rainzone K.
>
> Need a quick and dirty, ballpark idea of costs including licensing and
> spare radio/dish.
>
> Need to price it against an AirFiber24 install.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

[Mike Hammett]

I guess we won't know for sure until it's fixed. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "George Skorup"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 3:43:19 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik 

I'm starting to notice it more now, especially trying to load HTTPS stuff over 
L2TP/IPsec. Is it driver/software or is there really a permanent h/w issue? 


On 12/9/2016 3:27 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



One of the other Brothers has been working with MT for it seems like over a 
year on IPSEC acceleration driver issues on the CCR. One day... One Day... 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 1:16:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik 


And yes Ken, I can attest that IPSec works for crap when the endpoint is a CCR. 


-- Original Message -- 
From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 12/9/2016 1:05:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik 






You mean no encryption, it would be secured with username/password, right? 
Depends on what kind of security he is looking for. It would be easy enough to 
set up an IPSEC VPN, the question is CPU load if the encryption has to be done 
in software. Also, weren’t there some posts about problems with hardware based 
encryption on some Mikrotik platforms, maybe CCR? 

It sounds like you are looking for a client based VPN, not a site-site VPN? So 
you need something that will work with a client that comes with Windows? That 
sounds like either PPTP or IPSEC. 


From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 11:49 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik 


No security though. 



On Dec 9, 2016 11:47 AM, "Tushar Patel" < tpa...@ecpi.com > wrote: 




PPTP on mikrotik. It will be same, IP address and username and password. 

Tushar 




On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:42 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
> wrote: 




I have a non WISP customer with some cameras they monitor, not NVR/DVR to speak 
of yet. The cameras are port forwarded (called pinholes in their current 
router) individually, so theyre pretty much exposed IoT targets. 

Im putting a mikrotik in because the Fortigate solution is cost prohibitive. 
Fortigates ssl vpn is slick, easy and end user friendly (for the client) 

Whats the easiest VPN/client on a mikrotik. It would be great if it was as 
simple as the fortigate, they have a workstation client and most phone apps, 
All I need to do is give them an IP/FQDN and their username and password, its 
done. 



-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

[George Skorup]

I'm starting to notice it more now, especially trying to load HTTPS 
stuff over L2TP/IPsec. Is it driver/software or is there really a 
permanent h/w issue?


On 12/9/2016 3:27 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
One of the other Brothers has been working with MT for it seems like 
over a year on IPSEC acceleration driver issues on the CCR. One 
day...  One Day...




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Adam Moffett" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, December 9, 2016 1:16:08 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

And yes Ken, I can attest that IPSec works for crap when the endpoint 
is a CCR.


-- Original Message --
From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 12/9/2016 1:05:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

You mean no encryption, it would be secured with
username/password, right?  Depends on what kind of security he is
looking for.  It would be easy enough to set up an IPSEC VPN, the
question is CPU load if the encryption has to be done in
software.  Also, weren’t there some posts about problems with
hardware based encryption on some Mikrotik platforms, maybe CCR?

It sounds like you  are looking for a client based VPN, not a
site-site VPN?  So you need something that will work with a client
that comes with Windows? That sounds like either PPTP or IPSEC.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2016 11:49 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

No security though.

On Dec 9, 2016 11:47 AM, "Tushar Patel" mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>> wrote:

PPTP on mikrotik. It will be same, IP address and username and
password.

Tushar


On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:42 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

I have a non WISP customer with some cameras they monitor,
not NVR/DVR to speak of yet. The cameras are port
forwarded (called pinholes in their current router)
individually, so theyre pretty much exposed IoT targets.

Im putting a mikrotik in because the Fortigate solution is
cost prohibitive. Fortigates ssl vpn is slick, easy and
end user friendly (for the client)

Whats the easiest VPN/client on a mikrotik. It would be
great if it was as simple as the fortigate, they have a
workstation client and most phone apps, All I need to do
is give them an IP/FQDN and their username and password,
its done.

-- 


If you only see yourself as part of the team but
you don't see your team as part of yourself you
have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] microwave pricing

[George Skorup]

I really hate to admit it, but those requirements would make me look at 
Exalt once more. The ExtendAir G2-18 would be a good fit. We have a link 
at 2.5 miles on Radiowaves HP2's at both ends. It has held up 
surprisingly well in the rain. 2 to 2.5 mile AF24 links in the same area 
drop. I guess the -34dBm RSL helps. Yes, it dropped to -70dBm, but still 
maintained the required 100Mbps FDX.


You get single unit sparing with the replaceable/rotate-able diplexer. 
They're 802.3at and use about 26 watts. You get ACM without a license 
key. They come with a base 25Mbps license. If the promo is still going, 
you get 100Mbps keys with it. I don't remember if there's a 200 or 
250Mbps or if you have to go from 100 to the full 370.


The one thing that Ken and I have both asked Exalt for, which at this 
point I expect will never happen, is power per mod level, aka variable 
power. All you get is fixed power with ACM on. IIRC, 18 or 19dBm for 
18GHz and 21dBm for 11GHz at 256QAM. The radios definitely do support 
higher power at lower modulations, so they're either stupid or lazy. No 
coordinator will even bother with variable power on the PCNs. We tried 
and got objections stating that "the radios don't do that". Exalt kept 
saying it's coming in future software, yet here we are two years later 
and nothing.


On 12/9/2016 2:47 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

A lot of manufacturers to pick from
With licensing and a spare radio/dish, I'm thinking $9,000.

You could talk about other companies' unlicensed 24ghz options and 
compare apples to apples.



-- Original Message --
From: "Eric Muehleisen" mailto:ericm...@gmail.com>>
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 12/9/2016 2:31:13 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] microwave pricing

2 mile 18ghz link. Only needing about 150mb/s speeds. 2ft. dish 
maximum. Five9's. Rainzone K.


Need a quick and dirty, ballpark idea of costs including licensing 
and spare radio/dish.


Need to price it against an AirFiber24 install.

Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

[Mike Hammett]

Microsoft PPTP is even worse in terms of security. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 2:46:34 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik 


Windows does it natively. 


Sounds like Apple dropped it? 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 3:36 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 



is there an app? 




On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Matt < matt.mailingli...@gmail.com > wrote: 


PPTP is so easy. I hate that Apple dropped support. I wish they 
would come out with PPTP2 that fixed security issues yet kept it 
simple. 




On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 
> PPTP no longer supported on Apple iOS though. 
> 
> L2TP+IPSec is almost as easy as PPTP. Just use this guide instead of the 
> Mikrotik Wiki which is out of date. 
> https://www.nasa-security.net/mikrotik/mikrotik-l2tp-with-ipsec/ 
> 
> 
> -- Original Message -- 
> From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
> To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
> Sent: 12/9/2016 1:09:50 PM 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik 
> 
> +1 for PPTP 
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman 
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St 
> Suite 1337 
> Troy, OH 45373 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Tushar Patel < tpa...@ecpi.com > wrote: 
>> 


>> PPTP on mikrotik. It will be same, IP address and username and password. 
>> 
>> Tushar 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:42 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>> < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 
>> 
>> I have a non WISP customer with some cameras they monitor, not NVR/DVR to 
>> speak of yet. The cameras are port forwarded (called pinholes in their 
>> current router) individually, so theyre pretty much exposed IoT targets. 
>> Im putting a mikrotik in because the Fortigate solution is cost 
>> prohibitive. Fortigates ssl vpn is slick, easy and end user friendly (for 
>> the client) 
>> Whats the easiest VPN/client on a mikrotik. It would be great if it was as 
>> simple as the fortigate, they have a workstation client and most phone apps, 
>> All I need to do is give them an IP/FQDN and their username and password, 
>> its done. 
>> 
>> -- 
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 
> 
> 








-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

[Mike Hammett]

They dropped support because it is no longer considered secure, so you 
shouldn't use it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Matt"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 2:20:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik 

PPTP is so easy. I hate that Apple dropped support. I wish they 
would come out with PPTP2 that fixed security issues yet kept it 
simple. 


On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote: 
> PPTP no longer supported on Apple iOS though. 
> 
> L2TP+IPSec is almost as easy as PPTP. Just use this guide instead of the 
> Mikrotik Wiki which is out of date. 
> https://www.nasa-security.net/mikrotik/mikrotik-l2tp-with-ipsec/ 
> 
> 
> -- Original Message -- 
> From: "Josh Luthman"  
> To: "af@afmug.com"  
> Sent: 12/9/2016 1:09:50 PM 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik 
> 
> +1 for PPTP 
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman 
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St 
> Suite 1337 
> Troy, OH 45373 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Tushar Patel  wrote: 
>> 
>> PPTP on mikrotik. It will be same, IP address and username and password. 
>> 
>> Tushar 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:42 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> I have a non WISP customer with some cameras they monitor, not NVR/DVR to 
>> speak of yet. The cameras are port forwarded (called pinholes in their 
>> current router) individually, so theyre pretty much exposed IoT targets. 
>> Im putting a mikrotik in because the Fortigate solution is cost 
>> prohibitive. Fortigates ssl vpn is slick, easy and end user friendly (for 
>> the client) 
>> Whats the easiest VPN/client on a mikrotik. It would be great if it was as 
>> simple as the fortigate, they have a workstation client and most phone apps, 
>> All I need to do is give them an IP/FQDN and their username and password, 
>> its done. 
>> 
>> -- 
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

[Mike Hammett]

One of the other Brothers has been working with MT for it seems like over a 
year on IPSEC acceleration driver issues on the CCR. One day... One Day... 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 1:16:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik 


And yes Ken, I can attest that IPSec works for crap when the endpoint is a CCR. 


-- Original Message -- 
From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 12/9/2016 1:05:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik 






You mean no encryption, it would be secured with username/password, right? 
Depends on what kind of security he is looking for. It would be easy enough to 
set up an IPSEC VPN, the question is CPU load if the encryption has to be done 
in software. Also, weren’t there some posts about problems with hardware based 
encryption on some Mikrotik platforms, maybe CCR? 

It sounds like you are looking for a client based VPN, not a site-site VPN? So 
you need something that will work with a client that comes with Windows? That 
sounds like either PPTP or IPSEC. 


From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 11:49 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik 


No security though. 



On Dec 9, 2016 11:47 AM, "Tushar Patel" < tpa...@ecpi.com > wrote: 




PPTP on mikrotik. It will be same, IP address and username and password. 

Tushar 




On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:42 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
> wrote: 




I have a non WISP customer with some cameras they monitor, not NVR/DVR to speak 
of yet. The cameras are port forwarded (called pinholes in their current 
router) individually, so theyre pretty much exposed IoT targets. 

Im putting a mikrotik in because the Fortigate solution is cost prohibitive. 
Fortigates ssl vpn is slick, easy and end user friendly (for the client) 

Whats the easiest VPN/client on a mikrotik. It would be great if it was as 
simple as the fortigate, they have a workstation client and most phone apps, 
All I need to do is give them an IP/FQDN and their username and password, its 
done. 



-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

[Josh Luthman]

I can't really find anything on how to complicate it unless you want to use
rasdial...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> end users like apps. forticlient is user friendly, download, install, put
> in ip/fqdn, username/password and done
>
> when i did mikrotik training i had to create a connection and go into
> advanced settings to make the connection work
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Windows does it natively.
>>
>> Sounds like Apple dropped it?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 3:36 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> is there an app?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Matt 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 PPTP is so easy.  I hate that Apple dropped support.  I wish they
 would come out with PPTP2 that fixed security issues yet kept it
 simple.


 On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:
 > PPTP no longer supported on Apple iOS though.
 >
 > L2TP+IPSec is almost as easy as PPTP.  Just use this guide instead of
 the
 > Mikrotik Wiki which is out of date.
 > https://www.nasa-security.net/mikrotik/mikrotik-l2tp-with-ipsec/
 >
 >
 > -- Original Message --
 > From: "Josh Luthman" 
 > To: "af@afmug.com" 
 > Sent: 12/9/2016 1:09:50 PM
 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik
 >
 > +1 for PPTP
 >
 >
 > Josh Luthman
 > Office: 937-552-2340
 > Direct: 937-552-2343
 > 1100 Wayne St
 > Suite 1337
 > Troy, OH 45373
 >
 > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Tushar Patel 
 wrote:
 >>
 >> PPTP on mikrotik. It will be same, IP address and username and
 password.
 >>
 >> Tushar
 >>
 >>
 >> On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:42 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 >>  wrote:
 >>
 >> I have a non WISP customer with some cameras they monitor, not
 NVR/DVR to
 >> speak of yet. The cameras are port forwarded (called pinholes in
 their
 >> current router) individually, so theyre pretty much exposed IoT
 targets.
 >> Im putting a mikrotik in because the Fortigate solution is cost
 >> prohibitive. Fortigates ssl vpn is slick, easy and end user friendly
 (for
 >> the client)
 >> Whats the easiest VPN/client on a mikrotik. It would be great if it
 was as
 >> simple as the fortigate, they have a workstation client and most
 phone apps,
 >> All I need to do is give them an IP/FQDN and their username and
 password,
 >> its done.
 >>
 >> --
 >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team
 >> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
 >
 >

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Adam Moffett]

Twilight Sparkle is getting ready.


-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 12/9/2016 2:32:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?


Lick the Tears of Unicorns

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Gino Villarini  
wrote:

Actually I believe it was to confuse LTE-U with LTU

LTE –U stands for Long Term Evolution – Unlicensed, what LTU stands 
for?


From: Af  on behalf of Mike Hammett 


Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Friday, December 9, 2016 at 8:55 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's 
side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use 
a very similar acronym?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 







Gino Villarini

PresidentMetro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 10:40:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

I think mixing LTE with what UBNT is doing would be a mistake. Were 
you under the impression they were doing an LTE variant?


On Dec 8, 2016 10:35 AM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:
It is common with LTE. UBNT calls it LTU so may be they look what 
others do at the RF layer.






Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jon Langeler
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 16:45
An:af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?



It's not common. But you wouldn't need sync. You would need channel 
spacing and such.


Jon Langeler

Michwave Technologies, Inc.




On Dec 8, 2016, at 10:36 AM, castarritt .  
wrote:


Why would you want to run FDD for PTMP?  Wouldn't that prevent using 
sync for frequency re-use?




On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt  
wrote:


If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT 
failed to deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers 
in the present and past) it will be different than 450m.




What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or 
FDD. Then it will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This 
is nothing 450 can do. If Ubnt will do massive mimo is 
questionable. They talked „advanced mimo patterns“ but who knows.




I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are 
„might happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, 
mercurynets, …








Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04
An:af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?



LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check 
lots of boxes. It won't be a 450m, though.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 






From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a 
non-forklift migration path to ePMP.   I don't see either Elevate 
or ePMP playing to the same market is the AirFiber LTU or the 
450-derived platforms (including Medusa).




My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the 
AirFiber LTU is going to live in the spot between the ePMP/802.11 
derived radios and the 450m, both in price and performance.




Put differently: 802.11switch 450i and Airfiber LTU, or change < to =)




-forrest







On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:55 PM, Timothy Steele 
 wrote:


It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed 
all the Chips ground up for WISP's only
And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium 
is having with

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

its definely the unicorn with ubnt

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> It has nothing to do with LTE at all.
>
> Long Term Ubiquiti is what I heard, but maybe that's unofficial.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Bill Prince" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, December 9, 2016 1:32:21 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
>
> I believe that the specification for LTE-U is not finalized. So since
> they can't spin directly to LTE-U, they just made something up.
>
> I'm willing to bet that no one from UBNT will chime in to clarify.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 12/9/2016 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> > Actually I believe it was to confuse LTE-U with LTU
> >
> > LTE –U stands for Long Term Evolution – Unlicensed, what LTU stands for?
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

end users like apps. forticlient is user friendly, download, install, put
in ip/fqdn, username/password and done

when i did mikrotik training i had to create a connection and go into
advanced settings to make the connection work

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Windows does it natively.
>
> Sounds like Apple dropped it?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 3:36 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> is there an app?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>
>>> PPTP is so easy.  I hate that Apple dropped support.  I wish they
>>> would come out with PPTP2 that fixed security issues yet kept it
>>> simple.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>> > PPTP no longer supported on Apple iOS though.
>>> >
>>> > L2TP+IPSec is almost as easy as PPTP.  Just use this guide instead of
>>> the
>>> > Mikrotik Wiki which is out of date.
>>> > https://www.nasa-security.net/mikrotik/mikrotik-l2tp-with-ipsec/
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -- Original Message --
>>> > From: "Josh Luthman" 
>>> > To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> > Sent: 12/9/2016 1:09:50 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik
>>> >
>>> > +1 for PPTP
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Josh Luthman
>>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> > 1100 Wayne St
>>> > Suite 1337
>>> > Troy, OH 45373
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> PPTP on mikrotik. It will be same, IP address and username and
>>> password.
>>> >>
>>> >> Tushar
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:42 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I have a non WISP customer with some cameras they monitor, not
>>> NVR/DVR to
>>> >> speak of yet. The cameras are port forwarded (called pinholes in their
>>> >> current router) individually, so theyre pretty much exposed IoT
>>> targets.
>>> >> Im putting a mikrotik in because the Fortigate solution is cost
>>> >> prohibitive. Fortigates ssl vpn is slick, easy and end user friendly
>>> (for
>>> >> the client)
>>> >> Whats the easiest VPN/client on a mikrotik. It would be great if it
>>> was as
>>> >> simple as the fortigate, they have a workstation client and most
>>> phone apps,
>>> >> All I need to do is give them an IP/FQDN and their username and
>>> password,
>>> >> its done.
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>>> team
>>> >> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Mike Hammett]

It has nothing to do with LTE at all. 

Long Term Ubiquiti is what I heard, but maybe that's unofficial. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Bill Prince"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 1:32:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? 

I believe that the specification for LTE-U is not finalized. So since 
they can't spin directly to LTE-U, they just made something up. 

I'm willing to bet that no one from UBNT will chime in to clarify. 


bp 
 

On 12/9/2016 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: 
> Actually I believe it was to confuse LTE-U with LTU 
> 
> LTE –U stands for Long Term Evolution – Unlicensed, what LTU stands for? 

Re: [AFMUG] microwave pricing

[Adam Moffett]

A lot of manufacturers to pick from
With licensing and a spare radio/dish, I'm thinking $9,000.

You could talk about other companies' unlicensed 24ghz options and 
compare apples to apples.



-- Original Message --
From: "Eric Muehleisen" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 12/9/2016 2:31:13 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] microwave pricing

2 mile 18ghz link. Only needing about 150mb/s speeds. 2ft. dish 
maximum. Five9's. Rainzone K.


Need a quick and dirty, ballpark idea of costs including licensing and 
spare radio/dish.


Need to price it against an AirFiber24 install.

Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

[Josh Luthman]

Windows does it natively.

Sounds like Apple dropped it?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 3:36 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> is there an app?
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Matt  wrote:
>
>> PPTP is so easy.  I hate that Apple dropped support.  I wish they
>> would come out with PPTP2 that fixed security issues yet kept it
>> simple.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>> > PPTP no longer supported on Apple iOS though.
>> >
>> > L2TP+IPSec is almost as easy as PPTP.  Just use this guide instead of
>> the
>> > Mikrotik Wiki which is out of date.
>> > https://www.nasa-security.net/mikrotik/mikrotik-l2tp-with-ipsec/
>> >
>> >
>> > -- Original Message --
>> > From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> > To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> > Sent: 12/9/2016 1:09:50 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik
>> >
>> > +1 for PPTP
>> >
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> PPTP on mikrotik. It will be same, IP address and username and
>> password.
>> >>
>> >> Tushar
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:42 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I have a non WISP customer with some cameras they monitor, not NVR/DVR
>> to
>> >> speak of yet. The cameras are port forwarded (called pinholes in their
>> >> current router) individually, so theyre pretty much exposed IoT
>> targets.
>> >> Im putting a mikrotik in because the Fortigate solution is cost
>> >> prohibitive. Fortigates ssl vpn is slick, easy and end user friendly
>> (for
>> >> the client)
>> >> Whats the easiest VPN/client on a mikrotik. It would be great if it
>> was as
>> >> simple as the fortigate, they have a workstation client and most phone
>> apps,
>> >> All I need to do is give them an IP/FQDN and their username and
>> password,
>> >> its done.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>> team
>> >> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

is there an app?


On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Matt  wrote:

> PPTP is so easy.  I hate that Apple dropped support.  I wish they
> would come out with PPTP2 that fixed security issues yet kept it
> simple.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> > PPTP no longer supported on Apple iOS though.
> >
> > L2TP+IPSec is almost as easy as PPTP.  Just use this guide instead of the
> > Mikrotik Wiki which is out of date.
> > https://www.nasa-security.net/mikrotik/mikrotik-l2tp-with-ipsec/
> >
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: "Josh Luthman" 
> > To: "af@afmug.com" 
> > Sent: 12/9/2016 1:09:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik
> >
> > +1 for PPTP
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
> >>
> >> PPTP on mikrotik. It will be same, IP address and username and password.
> >>
> >> Tushar
> >>
> >>
> >> On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:42 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> I have a non WISP customer with some cameras they monitor, not NVR/DVR
> to
> >> speak of yet. The cameras are port forwarded (called pinholes in their
> >> current router) individually, so theyre pretty much exposed IoT targets.
> >> Im putting a mikrotik in because the Fortigate solution is cost
> >> prohibitive. Fortigates ssl vpn is slick, easy and end user friendly
> (for
> >> the client)
> >> Whats the easiest VPN/client on a mikrotik. It would be great if it was
> as
> >> simple as the fortigate, they have a workstation client and most phone
> apps,
> >> All I need to do is give them an IP/FQDN and their username and
> password,
> >> its done.
> >>
> >> --
> >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> >> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
> >
> >
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

[Matt]

PPTP is so easy.  I hate that Apple dropped support.  I wish they
would come out with PPTP2 that fixed security issues yet kept it
simple.


On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> PPTP no longer supported on Apple iOS though.
>
> L2TP+IPSec is almost as easy as PPTP.  Just use this guide instead of the
> Mikrotik Wiki which is out of date.
> https://www.nasa-security.net/mikrotik/mikrotik-l2tp-with-ipsec/
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 12/9/2016 1:09:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik
>
> +1 for PPTP
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
>>
>> PPTP on mikrotik. It will be same, IP address and username and password.
>>
>> Tushar
>>
>>
>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:42 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I have a non WISP customer with some cameras they monitor, not NVR/DVR to
>> speak of yet. The cameras are port forwarded (called pinholes in their
>> current router) individually, so theyre pretty much exposed IoT targets.
>> Im putting a mikrotik in because the Fortigate solution is cost
>> prohibitive. Fortigates ssl vpn is slick, easy and end user friendly (for
>> the client)
>> Whats the easiest VPN/client on a mikrotik. It would be great if it was as
>> simple as the fortigate, they have a workstation client and most phone apps,
>> All I need to do is give them an IP/FQDN and their username and password,
>> its done.
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Ken Hohhof]

https://www.ltu.edu/

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 1:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

 

Launch That Unicorn!

 

bp

 

On 12/9/2016 11:32 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

Lick the Tears of Unicorns

 

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

Actually I believe it was to confuse LTE-U with LTU

 

LTE –U stands for Long Term Evolution – Unlicensed, what LTU stands for? 

 

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of 
Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com  " mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Friday, December 9, 2016 at 8:55 AM
To: "af@afmug.com  " mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

 

The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's side. If not 
to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a very similar acronym?



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





 

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968




  _  


From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 10:40:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

I think mixing LTE with what UBNT is doing would be a mistake. Were you under 
the impression they were doing an LTE variant?

 

On Dec 8, 2016 10:35 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" mailto:s...@genias.net> > wrote:

It is common with LTE. UBNT calls it LTU so may be they look what others do at 
the RF layer. 

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] Im Auftrag 
von Jon Langeler
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 16:45
An: af@afmug.com  
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

 

It's not common. But you wouldn't need sync. You would need channel spacing and 
such.

Jon Langeler

Michwave Technologies, Inc.

 


On Dec 8, 2016, at 10:36 AM, castarritt . mailto:castarr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Why would you want to run FDD for PTMP?  Wouldn't that prevent using sync for 
frequency re-use?

 

On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt mailto:s...@genias.net> > wrote:

If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed to 
deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and 
past) it will be different than 450m.

 

What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD. Then it 
will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 can do. If 
Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced mimo patterns“ 
but who knows.

 

I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are „might 
happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, …

 

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] Im Auftrag 
von Mike Hammett
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04
An: af@afmug.com  
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

 

LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots of 
boxes. It won't be a 450m, though.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





  _  


From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" mailto:li...@packetflux.com> >
To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a non-forklift migration 
path to ePMP.   I don't see either Elevate or ePMP playing to the same market 
is the AirFiber LTU or the 450-derived platforms (including Medusa).

 

My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the A

Re: [AFMUG] OT ...Graphene And Silly Putty Make Sensor That Can Detect Heart Rate, Spider Footsteps

[Cameron Crum]

Are you thinking it could make a good listening device? I bet a thin enough
piece of it would be good for that.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:22 AM,  wrote:

> I am wondering microphone quick?
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2016 10:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT ...Graphene And Silly Putty Make Sensor That
> Can Detect Heart Rate, Spider Footsteps
>
> Says you could monitor blood pressure live so it must be pretty quick.
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:05 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Wonder how fast its response rate is.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2016 6:39 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT ...Graphene And Silly Putty Make Sensor That Can
>> Detect Heart Rate, Spider Footsteps
>>
>> http://www.ibtimes.com/graphene-silly-putty-make-sensor-can-
>> detect-heart-rate-spider-footsteps-2457846
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

this isnt an ISP customer

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> IMHO if you're an ISP and you are the person with 'enable' on the routers,
> it's worth teaching yourself the basics of how X.509 PKI and SSL work.
> There are a lot of really easy to use tutorials for setting up a basic
> openvpn server, which will help get you started.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> When I looked at this recently, the options were OpenVPN, SSTP, L2TP, or
>> PPTP.
>> I crossed off OpenVPN and SSTP because they needed SSL certificates in
>> order to have encryption, it just seemed like more hassle than I was
>> willing to deal with.
>> PPTP didn't work on iOS.
>> That left L2TP.  L2TP doesn't have any encryption capability built in, so
>> hence L2TP+IPSec.
>>
>> I think you can do L2TP without encryption and I think that's about the
>> same number of steps as PPTPbut it was not a big deal to add IPSec once
>> I had a working example to go off from.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Adam Moffett" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 12/9/2016 1:58:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik
>>
>> PPTP no longer supported on Apple iOS though.
>>
>> L2TP+IPSec is almost as easy as PPTP.  Just use this guide instead of the
>> Mikrotik Wiki which is out of date.
>> https://www.nasa-security.net/mikrotik/mikrotik-l2tp-with-ipsec/
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 12/9/2016 1:09:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik
>>
>> +1 for PPTP
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
>>
>>> PPTP on mikrotik. It will be same, IP address and username and password.
>>>
>>> Tushar
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:42 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a non WISP customer with some cameras they monitor, not NVR/DVR
>>> to speak of yet. The cameras are port forwarded (called pinholes in their
>>> current router) individually, so theyre pretty much exposed IoT targets.
>>> Im putting a mikrotik in because the Fortigate solution is cost
>>> prohibitive. Fortigates ssl vpn is slick, easy and end user friendly (for
>>> the client)
>>> Whats the easiest VPN/client on a mikrotik. It would be great if it was
>>> as simple as the fortigate, they have a workstation client and most phone
>>> apps, All I need to do is give them an IP/FQDN and their username and
>>> password, its done.
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Paul McCall

[chuck]

Brandon ought to know.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 11:39 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Paul McCall

Anyone know how to get hold of him? I tried his email several times ith no 
response.

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[chuck]

Launches Tits Up?

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

Lick the Tears of Unicorns

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

  Actually I believe it was to confuse LTE-U with LTU

  LTE –U stands for Long Term Evolution – Unlicensed, what LTU stands for? 

  From: Af  on behalf of Mike Hammett 
  Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Date: Friday, December 9, 2016 at 8:55 AM
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?


  The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's side. If 
not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a very similar 
acronym?




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP








Gino Villarini
   
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 




--

  From: "Josh Reynolds" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 10:40:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?


  I think mixing LTE with what UBNT is doing would be a mistake. Were you under 
the impression they were doing an LTE variant?

  On Dec 8, 2016 10:35 AM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:

It is common with LTE. UBNT calls it LTU so may be they look what others do 
at the RF layer. 





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jon Langeler
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 16:45
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?



It's not common. But you wouldn't need sync. You would need channel spacing 
and such.

Jon Langeler

Michwave Technologies, Inc.




On Dec 8, 2016, at 10:36 AM, castarritt .  wrote:

  Why would you want to run FDD for PTMP?  Wouldn't that prevent using sync 
for frequency re-use?



  On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed 
to deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and 
past) it will be different than 450m.



What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD. 
Then it will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 can 
do. If Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced mimo 
patterns“ but who knows.



I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are 
„might happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, …







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?



LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots 
of boxes. It won't be a 450m, though.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a non-forklift 
migration path to ePMP.   I don't see either Elevate or ePMP playing to the 
same market is the AirFiber LTU or the 450-derived platforms (including Medusa).



My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the AirFiber 
LTU is going to live in the spot between the ePMP/802.11 derived radios and the 
450m, both in price and performance. 



Put differently: 802.11 wrote:

  It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed 
all the Chips ground up for WISP's only
  And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is 
having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn 
on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of 
getting into legal trouble from UBNT  but I don't think Robert cares as he 
already knows he won the end game



  On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that 
news.  Not that coming out with the product would really do that.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson" 
 wrote:

  Announcement of AF PTMP??







  On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

Ubnt is at an all time high.  Last peak was March 2014.  Just 
over 5

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Lick the Tears of Unicorns

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> Actually I believe it was to confuse LTE-U with LTU
>
> LTE –U stands for Long Term Evolution – Unlicensed, what LTU stands for?
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Mike Hammett <
> af...@ics-il.net>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Friday, December 9, 2016 at 8:55 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
>
> The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's side. If
> not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a very similar
> acronym?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> --
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, December 8, 2016 10:40:29 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
>
> I think mixing LTE with what UBNT is doing would be a mistake. Were you
> under the impression they were doing an LTE variant?
>
> On Dec 8, 2016 10:35 AM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:
>
>> It is common with LTE. UBNT calls it LTU so may be they look what others
>> do at the RF layer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Jon Langeler
>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 16:45
>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
>>
>>
>>
>> It's not common. But you wouldn't need sync. You would need channel
>> spacing and such.
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>>
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2016, at 10:36 AM, castarritt .  wrote:
>>
>> Why would you want to run FDD for PTMP?  Wouldn't that prevent using sync
>> for frequency re-use?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
>>
>> If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed to
>> deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and
>> past) it will be different than 450m.
>>
>>
>>
>> What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD.
>> Then it will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450
>> can do. If Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced
>> mimo patterns“ but who knows.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are „might
>> happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, …
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Mike Hammett
>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04
>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
>>
>>
>>
>> LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots
>> of boxes. It won't be a 450m, though.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
>>
>> Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a non-forklift
>> migration path to ePMP.   I don't see either Elevate or ePMP playing to the
>> same market is the AirFiber LTU or the 450-derived platforms (including
>> Medusa).
>>
>>
>>
>> My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the AirFiber
>> LTU is going to live in the spot between the ePMP/802.11 derived radios and
>> the 450m, both in price and performance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Put differently: 802.11> 450i and Airfiber LTU, or change < to =)
>>
>>
>>
>> -forrest
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:55 PM, Timothy Steele 
>> wrote:
>>
>> It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all
>> the Chips ground up for WISP's 

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Bill Prince]

I believe that the specification for LTE-U is not finalized. So since 
they can't spin directly to LTE-U, they just made something up.


I'm willing to bet that no one from UBNT will chime in to clarify.


bp


On 12/9/2016 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Actually I believe it was to confuse LTE-U with LTU

LTE –U stands for Long Term Evolution – Unlicensed, what LTU stands for?

[AFMUG] microwave pricing

[Eric Muehleisen]

2 mile 18ghz link. Only needing about 150mb/s speeds. 2ft. dish maximum.
Five9's. Rainzone K.

Need a quick and dirty, ballpark idea of costs including licensing and
spare radio/dish.

Need to price it against an AirFiber24 install.

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber, Mimosa, Airmax etc

[Faisal Imtiaz]

What would like to know ?

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Jon Langeler" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 11:18:22 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber, Mimosa, Airmax etc

> Anyone have links to throughout testing with small packet size?
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Gino Villarini]

Actually I believe it was to confuse LTE-U with LTU

LTE –U stands for Long Term Evolution – Unlicensed, what LTU stands for?

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Mike 
Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, December 9, 2016 at 8:55 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's side. If not 
to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a very similar acronym?



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 10:40:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

I think mixing LTE with what UBNT is doing would be a mistake. Were you under 
the impression they were doing an LTE variant?

On Dec 8, 2016 10:35 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" 
mailto:s...@genias.net>> wrote:
It is common with LTE. UBNT calls it LTU so may be they look what others do at 
the RF layer.


Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag 
von Jon Langeler
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 16:45
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

It's not common. But you wouldn't need sync. You would need channel spacing and 
such.
Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Dec 8, 2016, at 10:36 AM, castarritt . 
mailto:castarr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Why would you want to run FDD for PTMP?  Wouldn't that prevent using sync for 
frequency re-use?

On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt 
mailto:s...@genias.net>> wrote:
If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed to 
deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and 
past) it will be different than 450m.

What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD. Then it 
will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 can do. If 
Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced mimo patterns“ 
but who knows.

I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are „might 
happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, …



Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag 
von Mike Hammett
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots of 
boxes. It won't be a 450m, though.


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From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>>
To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Office 365

[Paul Stewart]

LOL … yeah some companies are pretty dumb when it comes to their licensing etc…

> On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:34 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
> 
> i wish microsft license engineers would go to rehab, their crack addiction is 
> problematic
> 
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Paul Stewart  > wrote:
> I wish partners could sell to themselves ;)
> 
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Brett A Mansfield > > wrote:
>> 
>> Office 365 is 5 devices if it's business or personal. It doesn't matter what 
>> the 5 devices are.  You can use it on all 5 devices at the same time. 
>> 
>>  If it's for business, I'd be happy to get you a formal quote with all the 
>> details. As a Tier 1 Microsoft Silver Partner we can get you whatever you 
>> need Microsoft. 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>> 
>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 4:52 AM, Paul Stewart > > wrote:
>> 
>>> So just to clarify .. office365 non-business edition is 5 users and you can 
>>> install if on 5 computers, 5 tablets, and 5 phones at the same time.  
>>> Office365 for business is licensed for 1 user only (can’t remember but 
>>> believe 1 computer, 1 tablet, and 1 phone).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 9, 2016, at 3:53 AM, Jason McKemie 
 >>> > wrote:
 
 I've been using OpenOffice for years.  Sometimes there are some formatting 
 issues when opening Microsoft Office documents though. I haven't tried 
 LibreOffice.
 
 On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Josh Reynolds >>> > wrote:
 The moment my stepson needs to use it when my wife is writing a paper is 
 the moment she cancels. We've had this discussion several times. The 
 $10/mo or $120/yr simply isn't worth it - not when LibreOffice exists with 
 such a minor learning curve.
 
 I understand there are certain businesses with complex excel formulas and 
 the like... that's a slightly different issue (one where they have coupled 
 certain company functions directly to a specific product).
 
 On Dec 8, 2016 5:33 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" >>> > wrote:
 yes, its 5 devices...but, 1 user
 its all honor system, until its not
 
 On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Bill Prince >>> > wrote:
 We've had both Office 365 business and Office 365 Home. You can run it on 
 up to 5 machines at the same time. You do have to watch out for what they 
 charge you though. Last time we got the $99 bundle, they charged us $150.
 
 
 On Thursday, December 8, 2016 1:41 PM, Adam Moffett >>> > wrote:
 
 
 So Office 365 Business is $8.25/user/month, but you can install it on up 
 to 5 devices.  Does that mean I can install it on my laptop and desktop, 
 but I couldn't use it on both at the same time?  This seems like an ok 
 deal as long as I could really use it on both PC's.
  
 If I'm in a place with no network connection (e.g. on a plane) can I still 
 use it?
  
 -Adam
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
 
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

[Eric Kuhnke]

IMHO if you're an ISP and you are the person with 'enable' on the routers,
it's worth teaching yourself the basics of how X.509 PKI and SSL work.
There are a lot of really easy to use tutorials for setting up a basic
openvpn server, which will help get you started.


On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> When I looked at this recently, the options were OpenVPN, SSTP, L2TP, or
> PPTP.
> I crossed off OpenVPN and SSTP because they needed SSL certificates in
> order to have encryption, it just seemed like more hassle than I was
> willing to deal with.
> PPTP didn't work on iOS.
> That left L2TP.  L2TP doesn't have any encryption capability built in, so
> hence L2TP+IPSec.
>
> I think you can do L2TP without encryption and I think that's about the
> same number of steps as PPTPbut it was not a big deal to add IPSec once
> I had a working example to go off from.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 12/9/2016 1:58:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik
>
> PPTP no longer supported on Apple iOS though.
>
> L2TP+IPSec is almost as easy as PPTP.  Just use this guide instead of the
> Mikrotik Wiki which is out of date.
> https://www.nasa-security.net/mikrotik/mikrotik-l2tp-with-ipsec/
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 12/9/2016 1:09:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik
>
> +1 for PPTP
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
>
>> PPTP on mikrotik. It will be same, IP address and username and password.
>>
>> Tushar
>>
>>
>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:42 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have a non WISP customer with some cameras they monitor, not NVR/DVR to
>> speak of yet. The cameras are port forwarded (called pinholes in their
>> current router) individually, so theyre pretty much exposed IoT targets.
>> Im putting a mikrotik in because the Fortigate solution is cost
>> prohibitive. Fortigates ssl vpn is slick, easy and end user friendly (for
>> the client)
>> Whats the easiest VPN/client on a mikrotik. It would be great if it was
>> as simple as the fortigate, they have a workstation client and most phone
>> apps, All I need to do is give them an IP/FQDN and their username and
>> password, its done.
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

[Adam Moffett]

And yes Ken, I can attest that IPSec works for crap when the endpoint is 
a CCR.


-- Original Message --
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/9/2016 1:05:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

You mean no encryption, it would be secured with username/password, 
right?  Depends on what kind of security he is looking for.  It would 
be easy enough to set up an IPSEC VPN, the question is CPU load if the 
encryption has to be done in software.  Also, weren’t there some posts 
about problems with hardware based encryption on some Mikrotik 
platforms, maybe CCR?




It sounds like you  are looking for a client based VPN, not a site-site 
VPN?  So you need something that will work with a client that comes 
with Windows?  That sounds like either PPTP or IPSEC.






From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 11:49 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik



No security though.



On Dec 9, 2016 11:47 AM, "Tushar Patel"  wrote:

PPTP on mikrotik. It will be same, IP address and username and 
password.


Tushar




On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:42 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:


I have a non WISP customer with some cameras they monitor, not 
NVR/DVR to speak of yet. The cameras are port forwarded (called 
pinholes in their current router) individually, so theyre pretty much 
exposed IoT targets.


Im putting a mikrotik in because the Fortigate solution is cost 
prohibitive. Fortigates ssl vpn is slick, easy and end user friendly 
(for the client)


Whats the easiest VPN/client on a mikrotik. It would be great if it 
was as simple as the fortigate, they have a workstation client and 
most phone apps, All I need to do is give them an IP/FQDN and their 
username and password, its done.




--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Adam Moffett]

4096QAM might only work at super short range, but I'm sure it will be 
nice when it works.



-- Original Message --
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/9/2016 12:30:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?


PMP.  5 GHz unlicensed.  4096QAM.  100 MHz channel.  And world peace.

Seriously, how much trouble do you have getting a 40 MHz airFiber PTP 
link to run at 10X?  And where are you going to find 100 MHz of 5 GHz 
spectrum for PMP?


The acronym LTU almost seems like a play on LTE-U, but that makes no 
sense, as LTE-U talks directly to handsets.



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 10:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com; af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

New radio platform from the air fiber team.  In a nutshell:
FDD or HDD
PTMP
4096QAM
Custom silicon rather than COTS chipset
2 million PPS
channel sizes up to 100mhz
The speaker makes an allusion to copying the useful features from LTE 
but leaving the mobility baggage.


It's powerpointware / vaporware at the moment.

-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/9/2016 11:43:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?


OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing
hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal
circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz.

What pray tell is LTU?


bp


On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's
side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use
a very similar acronym?

Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

[Adam Moffett]

When I looked at this recently, the options were OpenVPN, SSTP, L2TP, or 
PPTP.
I crossed off OpenVPN and SSTP because they needed SSL certificates in 
order to have encryption, it just seemed like more hassle than I was 
willing to deal with.

PPTP didn't work on iOS.
That left L2TP.  L2TP doesn't have any encryption capability built in, 
so hence L2TP+IPSec.


I think you can do L2TP without encryption and I think that's about the 
same number of steps as PPTPbut it was not a big deal to add IPSec 
once I had a working example to go off from.




-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/9/2016 1:58:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik


PPTP no longer supported on Apple iOS though.

L2TP+IPSec is almost as easy as PPTP.  Just use this guide instead of 
the Mikrotik Wiki which is out of date.

https://www.nasa-security.net/mikrotik/mikrotik-l2tp-with-ipsec/


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 12/9/2016 1:09:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik


+1 for PPTP


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
PPTP on mikrotik. It will be same, IP address and username and 
password.


Tushar


On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:42 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:


I have a non WISP customer with some cameras they monitor, not 
NVR/DVR to speak of yet. The cameras are port forwarded (called 
pinholes in their current router) individually, so theyre pretty 
much exposed IoT targets.
Im putting a mikrotik in because the Fortigate solution is cost 
prohibitive. Fortigates ssl vpn is slick, easy and end user friendly 
(for the client)
Whats the easiest VPN/client on a mikrotik. It would be great if it 
was as simple as the fortigate, they have a workstation client and 
most phone apps, All I need to do is give them an IP/FQDN and their 
username and password, its done.


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the 
team.

Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

[Adam Moffett]

PPTP no longer supported on Apple iOS though.

L2TP+IPSec is almost as easy as PPTP.  Just use this guide instead of 
the Mikrotik Wiki which is out of date.

https://www.nasa-security.net/mikrotik/mikrotik-l2tp-with-ipsec/


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 12/9/2016 1:09:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik


+1 for PPTP


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
PPTP on mikrotik. It will be same, IP address and username and 
password.


Tushar


On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:42 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:


I have a non WISP customer with some cameras they monitor, not 
NVR/DVR to speak of yet. The cameras are port forwarded (called 
pinholes in their current router) individually, so theyre pretty much 
exposed IoT targets.
Im putting a mikrotik in because the Fortigate solution is cost 
prohibitive. Fortigates ssl vpn is slick, easy and end user friendly 
(for the client)
Whats the easiest VPN/client on a mikrotik. It would be great if it 
was as simple as the fortigate, they have a workstation client and 
most phone apps, All I need to do is give them an IP/FQDN and their 
username and password, its done.


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Paul McCall

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I talked briefly last week with him he was battling the flu 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Paul McCall
Date: Fri, Dec 9, 2016 12:42 PM

Sent via email Lewis.

Jeff BroadwickConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Dec 9, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

Anyone know how to get hold of him? I tried his email several times ith no 
response.

Re: [AFMUG] Paul McCall

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Sent via email Lewis.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Dec 9, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> 
> Anyone know how to get hold of him? I tried his email several times ith no 
> response.

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Lewis Bergman]

I agree. Not only is it clever, but currently cold so very topical. As an
added bonus, I like thermal underwear and it conjurs notions of little Suzy
Who in her Who jammies guilting the Grinch. Think I made some words up
there.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:37 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Best one yet.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 12/9/2016 9:53 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> > Long Thermal Underwear
>
>

[AFMUG] Paul McCall

[Lewis Bergman]

Anyone know how to get hold of him? I tried his email several times ith no
response.

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Bill Prince]

Best one yet.


bp


On 12/9/2016 9:53 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Long Thermal Underwear 

Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

[Josh Luthman]

+1 for PPTP


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Tushar Patel  wrote:

> PPTP on mikrotik. It will be same, IP address and username and password.
>
> Tushar
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:42 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have a non WISP customer with some cameras they monitor, not NVR/DVR to
> speak of yet. The cameras are port forwarded (called pinholes in their
> current router) individually, so theyre pretty much exposed IoT targets.
> Im putting a mikrotik in because the Fortigate solution is cost
> prohibitive. Fortigates ssl vpn is slick, easy and end user friendly (for
> the client)
> Whats the easiest VPN/client on a mikrotik. It would be great if it was as
> simple as the fortigate, they have a workstation client and most phone
> apps, All I need to do is give them an IP/FQDN and their username and
> password, its done.
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

[Ken Hohhof]

You mean no encryption, it would be secured with username/password, right?  
Depends on what kind of security he is looking for.  It would be easy enough to 
set up an IPSEC VPN, the question is CPU load if the encryption has to be done 
in software.  Also, weren’t there some posts about problems with hardware based 
encryption on some Mikrotik platforms, maybe CCR?

 

It sounds like you  are looking for a client based VPN, not a site-site VPN?  
So you need something that will work with a client that comes with Windows?  
That sounds like either PPTP or IPSEC.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

 

No security though.

 

On Dec 9, 2016 11:47 AM, "Tushar Patel" mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com> > wrote:

PPTP on mikrotik. It will be same, IP address and username and password.

Tushar

 


On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:42 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I have a non WISP customer with some cameras they monitor, not NVR/DVR to speak 
of yet. The cameras are port forwarded (called pinholes in their current 
router) individually, so theyre pretty much exposed IoT targets. 

Im putting a mikrotik in because the Fortigate solution is cost prohibitive. 
Fortigates ssl vpn is slick, easy and end user friendly (for the client) 

Whats the easiest VPN/client on a mikrotik. It would be great if it was as 
simple as the fortigate, they have a workstation client and most phone apps, 
All I need to do is give them an IP/FQDN and their username and password, its 
done.


 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hikvision NVR Choices?

[Jaime Solorza]

I have used both versions with no support issues.
.

On Dec 9, 2016 10:14 AM, "Christopher Gray" 
wrote:

> Any good reason to avoid ordering a Hikvision NVR that is not listed on
> the US Hikvision site?
>
> Hikvision seems to have a bunch of options on their main site that are not
> listed on the US site. Several "International" versions are listed on
> newegg.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Jaime Solorza]

Long Thermal Underwear

On Dec 9, 2016 10:05 AM,  wrote:

> Laboratory Test Unit
>
> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Friday, December 9,
> 2016 9:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good
> News?
> OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing hype
> from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal
> circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz.
>
> What pray tell is LTU?
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>> The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's side.
>> If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a very
>> similar acronym?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

[Josh Reynolds]

No security though.

On Dec 9, 2016 11:47 AM, "Tushar Patel"  wrote:

> PPTP on mikrotik. It will be same, IP address and username and password.
>
> Tushar
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:42 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have a non WISP customer with some cameras they monitor, not NVR/DVR to
> speak of yet. The cameras are port forwarded (called pinholes in their
> current router) individually, so theyre pretty much exposed IoT targets.
> Im putting a mikrotik in because the Fortigate solution is cost
> prohibitive. Fortigates ssl vpn is slick, easy and end user friendly (for
> the client)
> Whats the easiest VPN/client on a mikrotik. It would be great if it was as
> simple as the fortigate, they have a workstation client and most phone
> apps, All I need to do is give them an IP/FQDN and their username and
> password, its done.
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

[Tushar Patel]

PPTP on mikrotik. It will be same, IP address and username and password.

Tushar


> On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:42 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have a non WISP customer with some cameras they monitor, not NVR/DVR to 
> speak of yet. The cameras are port forwarded (called pinholes in their 
> current router) individually, so theyre pretty much exposed IoT targets. 
> Im putting a mikrotik in because the Fortigate solution is cost prohibitive. 
> Fortigates ssl vpn is slick, easy and end user friendly (for the client) 
> Whats the easiest VPN/client on a mikrotik. It would be great if it was as 
> simple as the fortigate, they have a workstation client and most phone apps, 
> All I need to do is give them an IP/FQDN and their username and password, its 
> done.
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I have a non WISP customer with some cameras they monitor, not NVR/DVR to
speak of yet. The cameras are port forwarded (called pinholes in their
current router) individually, so theyre pretty much exposed IoT targets.
Im putting a mikrotik in because the Fortigate solution is cost
prohibitive. Fortigates ssl vpn is slick, easy and end user friendly (for
the client)
Whats the easiest VPN/client on a mikrotik. It would be great if it was as
simple as the fortigate, they have a workstation client and most phone
apps, All I need to do is give them an IP/FQDN and their username and
password, its done.

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Bill Prince]

There's a reason they didn't give the words for the acronym. There is no 
acronym, and you can make it whatever you want. Maybe Listen To Ubiquiti...



bp


On 12/9/2016 9:30 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

PMP.  5 GHz unlicensed.  4096QAM.  100 MHz channel.  And world peace.

Seriously, how much trouble do you have getting a 40 MHz airFiber PTP link to 
run at 10X?  And where are you going to find 100 MHz of 5 GHz spectrum for PMP?

The acronym LTU almost seems like a play on LTE-U, but that makes no sense, as 
LTE-U talks directly to handsets.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 10:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com; af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

New radio platform from the air fiber team.  In a nutshell:
FDD or HDD
PTMP
4096QAM
Custom silicon rather than COTS chipset
2 million PPS
channel sizes up to 100mhz
The speaker makes an allusion to copying the useful features from LTE but 
leaving the mobility baggage.

It's powerpointware / vaporware at the moment.

-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/9/2016 11:43:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?


OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing
hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal
circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz.

What pray tell is LTU?


bp


On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's
side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use
a very similar acronym?

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Josh Luthman]

It is a play on LTE I believe


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> PMP.  5 GHz unlicensed.  4096QAM.  100 MHz channel.  And world peace.
>
> Seriously, how much trouble do you have getting a 40 MHz airFiber PTP link
> to run at 10X?  And where are you going to find 100 MHz of 5 GHz spectrum
> for PMP?
>
> The acronym LTU almost seems like a play on LTE-U, but that makes no
> sense, as LTE-U talks directly to handsets.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 10:49 AM
> To: af@afmug.com; af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
>
> New radio platform from the air fiber team.  In a nutshell:
> FDD or HDD
> PTMP
> 4096QAM
> Custom silicon rather than COTS chipset
> 2 million PPS
> channel sizes up to 100mhz
> The speaker makes an allusion to copying the useful features from LTE but
> leaving the mobility baggage.
>
> It's powerpointware / vaporware at the moment.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Bill Prince" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 12/9/2016 11:43:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
>
> >OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing
> >hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal
> >circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz.
> >
> >What pray tell is LTU?
> >
> >
> >bp
> >
> >
> >On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >>The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's
> >>side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use
> >>a very similar acronym?
> >
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Ken Hohhof]

PMP.  5 GHz unlicensed.  4096QAM.  100 MHz channel.  And world peace.

Seriously, how much trouble do you have getting a 40 MHz airFiber PTP link to 
run at 10X?  And where are you going to find 100 MHz of 5 GHz spectrum for PMP?

The acronym LTU almost seems like a play on LTE-U, but that makes no sense, as 
LTE-U talks directly to handsets. 


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 10:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com; af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

New radio platform from the air fiber team.  In a nutshell:
FDD or HDD
PTMP
4096QAM
Custom silicon rather than COTS chipset
2 million PPS
channel sizes up to 100mhz
The speaker makes an allusion to copying the useful features from LTE but 
leaving the mobility baggage.

It's powerpointware / vaporware at the moment.

-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/9/2016 11:43:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

>OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing 
>hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal 
>circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz.
>
>What pray tell is LTU?
>
>
>bp
>
>
>On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's 
>>side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use 
>>a very similar acronym?
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT ...Graphene And Silly Putty Make Sensor That Can Detect Heart Rate, Spider Footsteps

[chuck]

I am wondering microphone quick?  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 10:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT ...Graphene And Silly Putty Make Sensor That Can Detect 
Heart Rate, Spider Footsteps

Says you could monitor blood pressure live so it must be pretty quick.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:05 AM,  wrote:

  Wonder how fast its response rate is.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 6:39 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT ...Graphene And Silly Putty Make Sensor That Can Detect 
Heart Rate, Spider Footsteps

  
http://www.ibtimes.com/graphene-silly-putty-make-sensor-can-detect-heart-rate-spider-footsteps-2457846

Re: [AFMUG] OT ...Graphene And Silly Putty Make Sensor That Can Detect Heart Rate, Spider Footsteps

[Cameron Crum]

Says you could monitor blood pressure live so it must be pretty quick.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:05 AM,  wrote:

> Wonder how fast its response rate is.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2016 6:39 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT ...Graphene And Silly Putty Make Sensor That Can
> Detect Heart Rate, Spider Footsteps
>
> http://www.ibtimes.com/graphene-silly-putty-make-
> sensor-can-detect-heart-rate-spider-footsteps-2457846
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Tushar Patel]

In the presentation the guy said that the chip is out and they are testing 
within UBNT. He also said long way to go too.  

Tushar


> On Dec 9, 2016, at 10:55 AM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> In picture form it is.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
>> Oh wow. Is the silicon out yet?
>> 
>> Tushar
>> 
>> 
>> > On Dec 9, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>> >
>> > New radio platform from the air fiber team.  In a nutshell:
>> > FDD or HDD
>> > PTMP
>> > 4096QAM
>> > Custom silicon rather than COTS chipset
>> > 2 million PPS
>> > channel sizes up to 100mhz
>> > The speaker makes an allusion to copying the useful features from LTE but 
>> > leaving the mobility baggage.
>> >
>> > It's powerpointware / vaporware at the moment.
>> >
>> > -- Original Message --
>> > From: "Bill Prince" 
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Sent: 12/9/2016 11:43:07 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
>> >
>> >> OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing 
>> >> hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal 
>> >> circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz.
>> >>
>> >> What pray tell is LTU?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> bp
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >>> On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> >>> The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's side. 
>> >>> If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a very 
>> >>> similar acronym?
>> >>
>> >
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hikvision NVR Choices?

[Josh Reynolds]

I have a love/hate relationship with HKV :/

On Dec 9, 2016 11:14 AM, "Christopher Gray" 
wrote:

> Any good reason to avoid ordering a Hikvision NVR that is not listed on
> the US Hikvision site?
>
> Hikvision seems to have a bunch of options on their main site that are not
> listed on the US site. Several "International" versions are listed on
> newegg.
>

[AFMUG] OT: Hikvision NVR Choices?

[Christopher Gray]

Any good reason to avoid ordering a Hikvision NVR that is not listed on the
US Hikvision site?

Hikvision seems to have a bunch of options on their main site that are not
listed on the US site. Several "International" versions are listed on
newegg.

Re: [AFMUG] OT ...Graphene And Silly Putty Make Sensor That Can Detect Heart Rate, Spider Footsteps

[chuck]

Wonder how fast its response rate is.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 6:39 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT ...Graphene And Silly Putty Make Sensor That Can Detect 
Heart Rate, Spider Footsteps

http://www.ibtimes.com/graphene-silly-putty-make-sensor-can-detect-heart-rate-spider-footsteps-2457846

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

lie to u

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> AGREED
>
> On Dec 8, 2016 8:23 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> Don't get me wrong, I think LTU will be out next year and I do think
>> it'll be a big hit, mitigating a lot of the issues we've seen in their
>> AirMax platform. It has just seemed like it takes a lot to get any of the
>> groups there to really do what the customers want.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Seth Mattinen" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 8, 2016 8:12:59 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
>>
>> On 12/8/16 4:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> > UBNT has to execute, though. They haven't been great at that.
>>
>>
>> UBNT will always have their diehard fans for whom execution isn't that
>> important.
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[chuck]

Laboratory Test Unit

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 9:43 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? 

OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing 
hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal 
circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz.


What pray tell is LTU?


bp


On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's 
side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use 
a very similar acronym?

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Josh Reynolds]

AGREED

On Dec 8, 2016 8:23 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Don't get me wrong, I think LTU will be out next year and I do think it'll
> be a big hit, mitigating a lot of the issues we've seen in their AirMax
> platform. It has just seemed like it takes a lot to get any of the groups
> there to really do what the customers want.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Seth Mattinen" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, December 8, 2016 8:12:59 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
>
> On 12/8/16 4:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> > UBNT has to execute, though. They haven't been great at that.
>
>
> UBNT will always have their diehard fans for whom execution isn't that
> important.
>
> ~Seth
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Bill Prince]

That's what it looks like to me after seeing the 10-minute WISPA 
presentation. They never give words to the acronym, so your 
interpretation is what it must be.


bp


On 12/9/2016 8:48 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Long term Ubiquity

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber, Mimosa, Airmax etc

[Josh Luthman]

Pretty sure Airfiber has been done.  I forget who it was, though.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Don't think its been done. If it has, I haven't seen it published.
>
> I did some on AF24 years ago, but this was pre-pause frame support on a
> 1.x build using RFC2544.
>
> On Dec 9, 2016 10:18 AM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:
>
>> Anyone have links to throughout testing with small packet size?
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Josh Luthman]

In picture form it is.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Tushar Patel  wrote:

> Oh wow. Is the silicon out yet?
>
> Tushar
>
>
> > On Dec 9, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> >
> > New radio platform from the air fiber team.  In a nutshell:
> > FDD or HDD
> > PTMP
> > 4096QAM
> > Custom silicon rather than COTS chipset
> > 2 million PPS
> > channel sizes up to 100mhz
> > The speaker makes an allusion to copying the useful features from LTE
> but leaving the mobility baggage.
> >
> > It's powerpointware / vaporware at the moment.
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: "Bill Prince" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: 12/9/2016 11:43:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
> >
> >> OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing
> hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal
> circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz.
> >>
> >> What pray tell is LTU?
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >>> On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >>> The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's
> side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a
> very similar acronym?
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber, Mimosa, Airmax etc

[Josh Reynolds]

Don't think its been done. If it has, I haven't seen it published.

I did some on AF24 years ago, but this was pre-pause frame support on a 1.x
build using RFC2544.

On Dec 9, 2016 10:18 AM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

> Anyone have links to throughout testing with small packet size?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Tushar Patel]

Oh wow. Is the silicon out yet?

Tushar


> On Dec 9, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> New radio platform from the air fiber team.  In a nutshell:
> FDD or HDD
> PTMP
> 4096QAM
> Custom silicon rather than COTS chipset
> 2 million PPS
> channel sizes up to 100mhz
> The speaker makes an allusion to copying the useful features from LTE but 
> leaving the mobility baggage.
> 
> It's powerpointware / vaporware at the moment.
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Bill Prince" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 12/9/2016 11:43:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
> 
>> OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing hype 
>> from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal 
>> circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz.
>> 
>> What pray tell is LTU?
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's side. If 
>>> not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a very similar 
>>> acronym?
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Lewis Bergman]

Long term Ubiquity

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:43 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing
> hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal
> circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz.
>
> What pray tell is LTU?
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> > The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's
> > side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use
> > a very similar acronym?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Adam Moffett]

New radio platform from the air fiber team.  In a nutshell:
FDD or HDD
PTMP
4096QAM
Custom silicon rather than COTS chipset
2 million PPS
channel sizes up to 100mhz
The speaker makes an allusion to copying the useful features from LTE 
but leaving the mobility baggage.


It's powerpointware / vaporware at the moment.

-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/9/2016 11:43:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing 
hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal 
circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz.


What pray tell is LTU?


bp


On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's 
side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use 
a very similar acronym?

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Bill Prince]

OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing 
hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal 
circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz.


What pray tell is LTU?


bp


On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's 
side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use 
a very similar acronym?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Office 365

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

i wish microsft license engineers would go to rehab, their crack addiction
is problematic

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> I wish partners could sell to themselves ;)
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Brett A Mansfield <
> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>
> Office 365 is 5 devices if it's business or personal. It doesn't matter
> what the 5 devices are.  You can use it on all 5 devices at the same time.
>
>  If it's for business, I'd be happy to get you a formal quote with all the
> details. As a Tier 1 Microsoft Silver Partner we can get you whatever you
> need Microsoft.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On Dec 9, 2016, at 4:52 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>
> So just to clarify .. office365 non-business edition is 5 users and you
> can install if on 5 computers, 5 tablets, and 5 phones at the same time.
> Office365 for business is licensed for 1 user only (can’t remember but
> believe 1 computer, 1 tablet, and 1 phone).
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2016, at 3:53 AM, Jason McKemie  com> wrote:
>
> I've been using OpenOffice for years.  Sometimes there are some formatting
> issues when opening Microsoft Office documents though. I haven't tried
> LibreOffice.
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> The moment my stepson needs to use it when my wife is writing a paper is
>> the moment she cancels. We've had this discussion several times. The $10/mo
>> or $120/yr simply isn't worth it - not when LibreOffice exists with such a
>> minor learning curve.
>>
>> I understand there are certain businesses with complex excel formulas and
>> the like... that's a slightly different issue (one where they have coupled
>> certain company functions directly to a specific product).
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2016 5:33 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> yes, its 5 devices...but, 1 user
>>> its all honor system, until its not
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
 We've had both Office 365 business and Office 365 Home. You can run it
 on up to 5 machines at the same time. You do have to watch out for what
 they charge you though. Last time we got the $99 bundle, they charged us
 $150.


 On Thursday, December 8, 2016 1:41 PM, Adam Moffett <
 dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:


 So Office 365 Business is $8.25/user/month, but you can install it on
 up to 5 devices.  Does that mean I can install it on my laptop and desktop,
 but I couldn't use it on both at the same time?  This seems like an ok deal
 as long as I could really use it on both PC's.

 If I'm in a place with no network connection (e.g. on a plane) can I
 still use it?

 -Adam





>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Office 365

[Paul Stewart]

I wish partners could sell to themselves ;)


> On Dec 9, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Brett A Mansfield  
> wrote:
> 
> Office 365 is 5 devices if it's business or personal. It doesn't matter what 
> the 5 devices are.  You can use it on all 5 devices at the same time. 
> 
>  If it's for business, I'd be happy to get you a formal quote with all the 
> details. As a Tier 1 Microsoft Silver Partner we can get you whatever you 
> need Microsoft. 
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
> On Dec 9, 2016, at 4:52 AM, Paul Stewart  > wrote:
> 
>> So just to clarify .. office365 non-business edition is 5 users and you can 
>> install if on 5 computers, 5 tablets, and 5 phones at the same time.  
>> Office365 for business is licensed for 1 user only (can’t remember but 
>> believe 1 computer, 1 tablet, and 1 phone).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 3:53 AM, Jason McKemie >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've been using OpenOffice for years.  Sometimes there are some formatting 
>>> issues when opening Microsoft Office documents though. I haven't tried 
>>> LibreOffice.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Josh Reynolds >> > wrote:
>>> The moment my stepson needs to use it when my wife is writing a paper is 
>>> the moment she cancels. We've had this discussion several times. The $10/mo 
>>> or $120/yr simply isn't worth it - not when LibreOffice exists with such a 
>>> minor learning curve.
>>> 
>>> I understand there are certain businesses with complex excel formulas and 
>>> the like... that's a slightly different issue (one where they have coupled 
>>> certain company functions directly to a specific product).
>>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2016 5:33 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" >> > wrote:
>>> yes, its 5 devices...but, 1 user
>>> its all honor system, until its not
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Bill Prince >> > wrote:
>>> We've had both Office 365 business and Office 365 Home. You can run it on 
>>> up to 5 machines at the same time. You do have to watch out for what they 
>>> charge you though. Last time we got the $99 bundle, they charged us $150.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2016 1:41 PM, Adam Moffett >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So Office 365 Business is $8.25/user/month, but you can install it on up to 
>>> 5 devices.  Does that mean I can install it on my laptop and desktop, but I 
>>> couldn't use it on both at the same time?  This seems like an ok deal as 
>>> long as I could really use it on both PC's.
>>>  
>>> If I'm in a place with no network connection (e.g. on a plane) can I still 
>>> use it?
>>>  
>>> -Adam
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
>>> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>> 
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