Re: [AFMUG] Used PMP450 radio needed...

[George Skorup]

If you have a 450 SM sitting around, an email to Matt Mangriotis to ask 
if you could get a BH license key for it couldn't hurt. Maybe they could 
do a demo key or something.


They did come out with a Rev B 450SM board a year or two ago. Maybe the 
original doesn't do UGPS power...? IIRC, I've read here, on the Cambium 
community site, or both, that some don't even have the UGPS power 
option. And if your customer says the one they have does, then... I have 
no freakin idea.


And I'm pretty sure you need pins 1,2,3&6 for UGPS power. I never wired 
pin 2 previously for FSK and 450 APs to SyncPipes and boxes. Probably 
should have. Oh well. Not a big deal to replace a timing cable though.


The obvious simple/quick solution would be a Parasitic pipe, since the 
PTP450/450SM is only 10/100 ethernet anyway.


All I know is that I have/do use UGPS power with your SBJ Aux's on 450i 
APs. And I've also tested it with regular 450 APs with a RJ45 to RJ12 
adapter cable. Works in both cases. I have no PTP450 deployed or laying 
around to mess with. I have never bought nor touched a UGPS. Don't even 
have one CMM out there anymore. Sorry Cambium, PacketFlux is cheaper.


On 8/11/2017 6:00 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
I saw that ...  But it has the option in the user interface to enable 
it, and at least one customer who claims it works with a ugps but not 
with my device.


There is also a spec sheet floating around which claims that it had a 
rj45 aux port.  But that one looks like it's a half updated 450i ptp 
datasheet.




On Aug 11, 2017 3:23 PM, "George Skorup" > wrote:


The PTP450 spec sheet states:

GPS SYNCHRONIZATIONYES, VIA EXTERNAL UGPS AND SEPARATE POWER
SUPPLY

So no UGPS power on the timing port?

On 8/11/2017 12:50 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

I have some customers who are having problems powering one of my
Syncbox receivers from a PTP450 radio  (uGPS power difference
perhaps).  This is the radio which is derived from a 450SM and
doesn't have the sync over power option, only sync over the
timing port.   Not sure if there's something else different.

So...  I need to get one here for testing, don't particularly
need to buy a new one.   I don't even care if the RF section
works or not - just need the radio to power on and for the sync
port to work correctly

I don't seem to be able to find one of these in the normal used
equipment locations that I check (ebay, SWG, PDM, etc).

Anyone have an idea where I can get one of these?  I notice new
isn't that expensive so I guess it's not the end of the world if
I don't find one.

-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  |
http://www.packetflux.com 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Used PMP450 radio needed...

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I saw that ...  But it has the option in the user interface to enable it,
and at least one customer who claims it works with a ugps but not with my
device.

There is also a spec sheet floating around which claims that it had a rj45
aux port.  But that one looks like it's a half updated 450i ptp datasheet.



On Aug 11, 2017 3:23 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> The PTP450 spec sheet states:
>
> GPS SYNCHRONIZATIONYES, VIA EXTERNAL UGPS AND SEPARATE POWER SUPPLY
>
> So no UGPS power on the timing port?
>
> On 8/11/2017 12:50 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> I have some customers who are having problems powering one of my Syncbox
> receivers from a PTP450 radio  (uGPS power difference perhaps).  This is
> the radio which is derived from a 450SM and doesn't have the sync over
> power option, only sync over the timing port.   Not sure if there's
> something else different.
>
> So...  I need to get one here for testing, don't particularly need to buy
> a new one.   I don't even care if the RF section works or not - just need
> the radio to power on and for the sync port to work correctly
>
> I don't seem to be able to find one of these in the normal used equipment
> locations that I check (ebay, SWG, PDM, etc).
>
> Anyone have an idea where I can get one of these?  I notice new isn't that
> expensive so I guess it's not the end of the world if I don't find one.
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Another mesh vendor is coming into the market

[Rory Conaway]

https://www.geekwire.com/2015/coco-communications-raises-6-1m-bring-mesh-networking-technology-connected-home/

Rory

[AFMUG] Dragonwave RF Head

[Brandon Shiers]

Anybody have a spare Dragonwave RLHPL6B1 RF head in stock they are willing to 
part with?



Brandon Shiers, RF Engineer In Training



937 West Main Street
Riverton, WY 82501



307.857.6704 (o)
307.840.2366 (c)
307.856.1499 (f)
brandon.shi...@cerento.com

[http://www.cerento.com/emailsignatures/logo.jpg]

Re: [AFMUG] Used PMP450 radio needed...

[George Skorup]

The PTP450 spec sheet states:

GPS SYNCHRONIZATIONYES, VIA EXTERNAL UGPS AND SEPARATE POWER SUPPLY

So no UGPS power on the timing port?

On 8/11/2017 12:50 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
I have some customers who are having problems powering one of my 
Syncbox receivers from a PTP450 radio  (uGPS power difference 
perhaps).  This is the radio which is derived from a 450SM and doesn't 
have the sync over power option, only sync over the timing port.   Not 
sure if there's something else different.


So...  I need to get one here for testing, don't particularly need to 
buy a new one.   I don't even care if the RF section works or not - 
just need the radio to power on and for the sync port to work 
correctly


I don't seem to be able to find one of these in the normal used 
equipment locations that I check (ebay, SWG, PDM, etc).


Anyone have an idea where I can get one of these?  I notice new isn't 
that expensive so I guess it's not the end of the world if I don't 
find one.


--
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  | 
http://www.packetflux.com 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

[Mark Radabaugh]

Tyco 450A cases on the small stuff.   I like the PLP Coyote 6.5x17 dome 
closures better but I can’t get the price in the same ballpark as the 450A’s.

Mark

> On Aug 11, 2017, at 3:40 PM, Jon Langeler  wrote:
> 
> What are you using for cases in the hand-hole in this instance?
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 
> 
> On Aug 11, 2017, at 12:02 PM, Chuck Hogg  > wrote:
> 
>> I just bought another batch a 100 1x4 PLC Blockless Bare PLC fiber 
>> splitters...
>> 
>> Here's the lowdown what that is.
>> 
>> It's bare fiber, no 900um jacket and typically no ends.  It's 250um.  
>> Blockless means that you don't have the big PLC blocks that need to go in a 
>> case.
>> 
>> You can also get Blockless, and not bare, with ends on it.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>> 
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:45 AM, > 
>> wrote:
>> Unless you are in high density subdivisions like I am, I would go with 
>> splitters in the splice case.  Saves a ton of money.  But you have to be 
>> committed to PON.  In our method, we can make any sub active with just 
>> opening the cabinet and moving a jumper. 
>>  
>> From: Mark Radabaugh <>
>> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 9:10 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>>  
>> Direct splice versus cabinets and patch panels:
>>  
>> Direct splice is less expensive, reduces vulnerability to vehicle/plow 
>> damage, easy to test the drop cable, and only a single location needs to be 
>> visited to turn up a customer.
>>  
>> Cons are increased difficulty in troubleshooting and potentially reflection 
>> from unterminated cable (though I have not seen issues and several other 
>> have reported no issues).
>>  
>> Mark
>>  
>>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 10:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Now that I think of it, all of our splitters are in cross boxes with them 
>>> appearing on patch panels in the neighborhoods.  We insert a patch between 
>>> the splitter output to the strand going to the house during install time.  
>>> Each strand to the homes have their own place on the patch panel too. 
>>>  
>>> So, all of our splitter outputs are unterminated unless they are in use. 
>>>  
>>> From: Mark - Myakka Technologies <>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 8:41 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com <>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>>>  
>>> Chuck,
>>> 
>>> We must have over 100 splitters installed that way.  I would say we only 
>>> average about 20 users on a 1x32.  We haven't seen any issues either.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com <>
>>> 
>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>>> www.MyakkaTech.com 
>>> 
>>> Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
>>> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Friday, August 11, 2017, 9:48:53 AM, you wrote:
>>> 
>>>  <>
>>> 
>>> So far, I have not encountered a problem caused by unterminated lines.  I 
>>> think it is due to the fact that it is frequency division duplex and the 
>>> transmit reflections not only have to experience splitter loss on the 
>>> return trip but there are no receivers looking for energy in that 
>>> direction.  
>>> 
>>> From: Mark Radabaugh
>>> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 7:21 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com <>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>>> 
>>> I have use the ‘bare’ FS PLC splitters before.   I can’t recall if the 
>>> pigtails had color or were just numbered but they are coated and strip off 
>>> exactly the same as the regular 250um acrylic coating.   For what it’s 
>>> worth they fit nicely into a Tyco A  or B size splice tray.   we 
>>> direct spliced one into a case and terminated all 32 outputs onto the 
>>> distribution cable.   
>>> 
>>> I don’t know that I would do that again simple because it creates a lot of 
>>> drops with no control over the reflection at the far end until you connect 
>>> those strands to customer houses or another termination panel.   So far it 
>>> has not created any operation issues but to some extent I think we just got 
>>> lucky.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:09 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:
>>> 
>>> When you strip it, it sure looks bare.  All the color is gone.  
>>> After you strip it, you wipe it off with an alcohol wipe.  
>>> And then when you see it in the fusion splicer screen, it looks bare there 
>>> too.  
>>> Actually it probably has to be totally bare or the coating would 
>>> contaminate the burn.  
>>> 
>>> From: Adam Moffett
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 8:24 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com <>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>>> 
>>> If the glass was truly "bare" it would be 125um and also be too fragile to 
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

[Jason McKemie]

Any standard splice case should work. I use the Tyco 400/450 series.

On Friday, August 11, 2017, Jon Langeler  wrote:

> What are you using for cases in the hand-hole in this instance?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2017, at 12:02 PM, Chuck Hogg  > wrote:
>
> I just bought another batch a 100 1x4 PLC Blockless Bare PLC fiber
> splitters...
>
> Here's the lowdown what that is.
>
> It's bare fiber, no 900um jacket and typically no ends.  It's 250um.
> Blockless means that you don't have the big PLC blocks that need to go in a
> case.
>
> You can also get Blockless, and not bare, with ends on it.
>
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:45 AM,  > wrote:
>
>> Unless you are in high density subdivisions like I am, I would go with
>> splitters in the splice case.  Saves a ton of money.  But you have to be
>> committed to PON.  In our method, we can make any sub active with just
>> opening the cabinet and moving a jumper.
>>
>> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2017 9:10 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>>
>> Direct splice versus cabinets and patch panels:
>>
>> Direct splice is less expensive, reduces vulnerability to vehicle/plow
>> damage, easy to test the drop cable, and only a single location needs to be
>> visited to turn up a customer.
>>
>> Cons are increased difficulty in troubleshooting and potentially
>> reflection from unterminated cable (though I have not seen issues and
>> several other have reported no issues).
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 10:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Now that I think of it, all of our splitters are in cross boxes with them
>> appearing on patch panels in the neighborhoods.  We insert a patch between
>> the splitter output to the strand going to the house during install time.
>> Each strand to the homes have their own place on the patch panel too.
>>
>> So, all of our splitter outputs are unterminated unless they are in use.
>>
>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2017 8:41 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> We must have over 100 splitters installed that way.  I would say we only
>> average about 20 users on a 1x32.  We haven't seen any issues either.
>>
>>
>>
>> *-- Best regards,Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>
>>
>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com
>> 
>>
>>
>> *Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life*
>> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
>> 
>>
>> *Please Donate at Please Donate at *http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *--Friday, August 11, 2017, 9:48:53 AM, you wrote:*
>>
>> So far, I have not encountered a problem caused by unterminated lines.  I
>> think it is due to the fact that it is frequency division duplex and the
>> transmit reflections not only have to experience splitter loss on the
>> return trip but there are no receivers looking for energy in that
>> direction.
>>
>> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2017 7:21 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>>
>> I have use the ‘bare’ FS PLC splitters before.   I can’t recall if the
>> pigtails had color or were just numbered but they are coated and strip off
>> exactly the same as the regular 250um acrylic coating.   For what it’s
>> worth they fit nicely into a Tyco A or B size splice tray.   we direct
>> spliced one into a case and terminated all 32 outputs onto the distribution
>> cable.
>>
>> I don’t know that I would do that again simple because it creates a lot
>> of drops with no control over the reflection at the far end until you
>> connect those strands to customer houses or another termination panel.   So
>> far it has not created any operation issues but to some extent I think we
>> just got lucky.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:09 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> When you strip it, it sure looks bare.  All the color is gone.
>> After you strip it, you wipe it off with an alcohol wipe.
>> And then when you see it in the fusion splicer screen, it looks bare
>> there too.
>> Actually it probably has to be totally bare or the coating would
>> contaminate the burn.
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2017 8:24 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>>
>> If the glass was truly "bare" it would be 125um and also be too fragile
>> to handle.  What is referred to as "bare fiber" actually has the 250um
>> acrylic coating, probably with color added.  It's the barest the fiber can
>> be while still being workable.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Jason McKemie" 

Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

[Jon Langeler]

What are you using for cases in the hand-hole in this instance?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Aug 11, 2017, at 12:02 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
> 
> I just bought another batch a 100 1x4 PLC Blockless Bare PLC fiber 
> splitters...
> 
> Here's the lowdown what that is.
> 
> It's bare fiber, no 900um jacket and typically no ends.  It's 250um.  
> Blockless means that you don't have the big PLC blocks that need to go in a 
> case.
> 
> You can also get Blockless, and not bare, with ends on it.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Chuck
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:45 AM,  wrote:
>> Unless you are in high density subdivisions like I am, I would go with 
>> splitters in the splice case.  Saves a ton of money.  But you have to be 
>> committed to PON.  In our method, we can make any sub active with just 
>> opening the cabinet and moving a jumper. 
>>  
>> From: Mark Radabaugh
>> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 9:10 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>>  
>> Direct splice versus cabinets and patch panels:
>>  
>> Direct splice is less expensive, reduces vulnerability to vehicle/plow 
>> damage, easy to test the drop cable, and only a single location needs to be 
>> visited to turn up a customer.
>>  
>> Cons are increased difficulty in troubleshooting and potentially reflection 
>> from unterminated cable (though I have not seen issues and several other 
>> have reported no issues).
>>  
>> Mark
>>  
>>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 10:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>  
>>> Now that I think of it, all of our splitters are in cross boxes with them 
>>> appearing on patch panels in the neighborhoods.  We insert a patch between 
>>> the splitter output to the strand going to the house during install time.  
>>> Each strand to the homes have their own place on the patch panel too. 
>>>  
>>> So, all of our splitter outputs are unterminated unless they are in use. 
>>>  
>>> From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
>>> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 8:41 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>>>  
>>> Chuck,
>>> 
>>> We must have over 100 splitters installed that way.  I would say we only 
>>> average about 20 users on a 1x32.  We haven't seen any issues either.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>> 
>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>>> www.MyakkaTech.com
>>> 
>>> Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
>>> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
>>> 
>>> Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Friday, August 11, 2017, 9:48:53 AM, you wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So far, I have not encountered a problem caused by unterminated lines.  I 
>>> think it is due to the fact that it is frequency division duplex and the 
>>> transmit reflections not only have to experience splitter loss on the 
>>> return trip but there are no receivers looking for energy in that 
>>> direction.  
>>> 
>>> From: Mark Radabaugh
>>> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 7:21 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>>> 
>>> I have use the ‘bare’ FS PLC splitters before.   I can’t recall if the 
>>> pigtails had color or were just numbered but they are coated and strip off 
>>> exactly the same as the regular 250um acrylic coating.   For what it’s 
>>> worth they fit nicely into a Tyco A or B size splice tray.   we direct 
>>> spliced one into a case and terminated all 32 outputs onto the distribution 
>>> cable.   
>>> 
>>> I don’t know that I would do that again simple because it creates a lot of 
>>> drops with no control over the reflection at the far end until you connect 
>>> those strands to customer houses or another termination panel.   So far it 
>>> has not created any operation issues but to some extent I think we just got 
>>> lucky.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:09 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When you strip it, it sure looks bare.  All the color is gone.  
>>> After you strip it, you wipe it off with an alcohol wipe.  
>>> And then when you see it in the fusion splicer screen, it looks bare there 
>>> too.  
>>> Actually it probably has to be totally bare or the coating would 
>>> contaminate the burn.  
>>> 
>>> From: Adam Moffett
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 8:24 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>>> 
>>> If the glass was truly "bare" it would be 125um and also be too fragile to 
>>> handle.  What is referred to as "bare fiber" actually has the 250um acrylic 
>>> coating, probably with color added.  It's the barest the fiber can be while 
>>> still being workable. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Jason McKemie" 
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Sent: 8/10/2017 6:24:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>>> 
>>> 
>>> That must be it, the "bare fiber" description is a bit misleading in that 

Re: [AFMUG] Fun project

[Cameron Crum]

Been using a blink camera at home. It helped police catch a guy breaking
into cars. It cost me a drivers side window, but they got him mostly due to
my video footage.

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I am going to configure 2 IP cameras with built-in SD cards to record
> locally and a NAS with 4TB storage. Cameras at two different construction
> sites linked with existing SCADA links.  At NAS location I will install a
> Cradlepoint LTE router so engineers can view progress.  Cameras will be
> configured to snapshot to create time lapse.  I just picked equipment and
> CP router will be here Monday... should be fun.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

[AFMUG] Fun project

[Jaime Solorza]

I am going to configure 2 IP cameras with built-in SD cards to record
locally and a NAS with 4TB storage. Cameras at two different construction
sites linked with existing SCADA links.  At NAS location I will install a
Cradlepoint LTE router so engineers can view progress.  Cameras will be
configured to snapshot to create time lapse.  I just picked equipment and
CP router will be here Monday... should be fun.

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber

[Jordan Goff]

Hi Chris and Paul,

VLANs should work fine on UFiber OLT and NanoG on the latest firmware.

Chris, I found your ticket. It was misclassified and I’ve made sure that won’t 
happen in the future. I will follow up there to make sure we get this working 
for you.

-Jordan Goff
EdgeMAX Support Engineer

[AFMUG] Used PMP450 radio needed...

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I have some customers who are having problems powering one of my Syncbox
receivers from a PTP450 radio  (uGPS power difference perhaps).  This is
the radio which is derived from a 450SM and doesn't have the sync over
power option, only sync over the timing port.   Not sure if there's
something else different.

So...  I need to get one here for testing, don't particularly need to buy a
new one.   I don't even care if the RF section works or not - just need the
radio to power on and for the sync port to work correctly

I don't seem to be able to find one of these in the normal used equipment
locations that I check (ebay, SWG, PDM, etc).

Anyone have an idea where I can get one of these?  I notice new isn't that
expensive so I guess it's not the end of the world if I don't find one.

-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber

[Josh Reynolds]

It IS beta.

Still, that's crazy.

On Aug 11, 2017 12:06 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> That's not good.
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2017, can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> Funny, I was just testing a VLAN and it didn't work. Was about to dig
>> more into it but I'm guessing it's
>> just not working.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Chris Fabien 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We have one bought from the beta store. The MSRP on the OLT is $1499.
>>>
>>> I have not been able to get it to pass our IPTV VLAN and ubnt support
>>> was zero help, just told me ask on their forum. There is really no
>>> documentation for it yet.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 10, 2017 10:54 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>>
 Integrating the OLT and ONT with all of their other products (AirFiber,
 EdgeRouter, Prism, CPE, etc) in a single pane of glass, for one (and for
 free).

 Outside of that? TBD.

 On Aug 10, 2017 9:42 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> I saw it on the Baltic Networks website today, but I've never bought
> it.
> What are they doing different from any other fiber?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jason McKemie" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 8/10/2017 10:40:14 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber
>
> Those of you testing this stuff, where did you buy it?  All at the
> beta store? It isn't in stock in the Ubiquiti store right now, Streakwave
> has an item listed (not in stock), but the price is 3x what it was in the
> beta store.  Is it really this much of a jump in price?
>
>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber

[Jason McKemie]

That's not good.

On Friday, August 11, 2017, can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> Funny, I was just testing a VLAN and it didn't work. Was about to dig more
> into it but I'm guessing it's
> just not working.
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Chris Fabien  > wrote:
>
>> We have one bought from the beta store. The MSRP on the OLT is $1499.
>>
>> I have not been able to get it to pass our IPTV VLAN and ubnt support was
>> zero help, just told me ask on their forum. There is really no
>> documentation for it yet.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2017 10:54 PM, "Josh Reynolds" > > wrote:
>>
>>> Integrating the OLT and ONT with all of their other products (AirFiber,
>>> EdgeRouter, Prism, CPE, etc) in a single pane of glass, for one (and for
>>> free).
>>>
>>> Outside of that? TBD.
>>>
>>> On Aug 10, 2017 9:42 PM, "Adam Moffett" >> > wrote:
>>>
 I saw it on the Baltic Networks website today, but I've never bought it.
 What are they doing different from any other fiber?


 -- Original Message --
 From: "Jason McKemie" >
 To: "af@afmug.com " <
 af@afmug.com >
 Sent: 8/10/2017 10:40:14 PM
 Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber

 Those of you testing this stuff, where did you buy it?  All at the beta
 store? It isn't in stock in the Ubiquiti store right now, Streakwave has an
 item listed (not in stock), but the price is 3x what it was in the beta
 store.  Is it really this much of a jump in price?


>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber

[can...@believewireless.net]

Funny, I was just testing a VLAN and it didn't work. Was about to dig more
into it but I'm guessing it's
just not working.

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:

> We have one bought from the beta store. The MSRP on the OLT is $1499.
>
> I have not been able to get it to pass our IPTV VLAN and ubnt support was
> zero help, just told me ask on their forum. There is really no
> documentation for it yet.
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2017 10:54 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> Integrating the OLT and ONT with all of their other products (AirFiber,
>> EdgeRouter, Prism, CPE, etc) in a single pane of glass, for one (and for
>> free).
>>
>> Outside of that? TBD.
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2017 9:42 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>>
>>> I saw it on the Baltic Networks website today, but I've never bought it.
>>> What are they doing different from any other fiber?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Jason McKemie" 
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Sent: 8/10/2017 10:40:14 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber
>>>
>>> Those of you testing this stuff, where did you buy it?  All at the beta
>>> store? It isn't in stock in the Ubiquiti store right now, Streakwave has an
>>> item listed (not in stock), but the price is 3x what it was in the beta
>>> store.  Is it really this much of a jump in price?
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber

[Chris Fabien]

We have one bought from the beta store. The MSRP on the OLT is $1499.

I have not been able to get it to pass our IPTV VLAN and ubnt support was
zero help, just told me ask on their forum. There is really no
documentation for it yet.


On Aug 10, 2017 10:54 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Integrating the OLT and ONT with all of their other products (AirFiber,
> EdgeRouter, Prism, CPE, etc) in a single pane of glass, for one (and for
> free).
>
> Outside of that? TBD.
>
> On Aug 10, 2017 9:42 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
>> I saw it on the Baltic Networks website today, but I've never bought it.
>> What are they doing different from any other fiber?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Jason McKemie" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 8/10/2017 10:40:14 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber
>>
>> Those of you testing this stuff, where did you buy it?  All at the beta
>> store? It isn't in stock in the Ubiquiti store right now, Streakwave has an
>> item listed (not in stock), but the price is 3x what it was in the beta
>> store.  Is it really this much of a jump in price?
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

[Chuck Hogg]

I just bought another batch a 100 1x4 PLC Blockless Bare PLC fiber
splitters...

Here's the lowdown what that is.

It's bare fiber, no 900um jacket and typically no ends.  It's 250um.
Blockless means that you don't have the big PLC blocks that need to go in a
case.

You can also get Blockless, and not bare, with ends on it.


Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:45 AM,  wrote:

> Unless you are in high density subdivisions like I am, I would go with
> splitters in the splice case.  Saves a ton of money.  But you have to be
> committed to PON.  In our method, we can make any sub active with just
> opening the cabinet and moving a jumper.
>
> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2017 9:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>
> Direct splice versus cabinets and patch panels:
>
> Direct splice is less expensive, reduces vulnerability to vehicle/plow
> damage, easy to test the drop cable, and only a single location needs to be
> visited to turn up a customer.
>
> Cons are increased difficulty in troubleshooting and potentially
> reflection from unterminated cable (though I have not seen issues and
> several other have reported no issues).
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2017, at 10:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Now that I think of it, all of our splitters are in cross boxes with them
> appearing on patch panels in the neighborhoods.  We insert a patch between
> the splitter output to the strand going to the house during install time.
> Each strand to the homes have their own place on the patch panel too.
>
> So, all of our splitter outputs are unterminated unless they are in use.
>
> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2017 8:41 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>
> Chuck,
>
> We must have over 100 splitters installed that way.  I would say we only
> average about 20 users on a 1x32.  We haven't seen any issues either.
>
>
>
> *-- Best regards,Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
>
> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com 
>
>
> *Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life*
> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
> 
>
> *Please Donate at Please Donate at *http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
>
>
>
>
> *--Friday, August 11, 2017, 9:48:53 AM, you wrote:*
>
> So far, I have not encountered a problem caused by unterminated lines.  I
> think it is due to the fact that it is frequency division duplex and the
> transmit reflections not only have to experience splitter loss on the
> return trip but there are no receivers looking for energy in that
> direction.
>
> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2017 7:21 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>
> I have use the ‘bare’ FS PLC splitters before.   I can’t recall if the
> pigtails had color or were just numbered but they are coated and strip off
> exactly the same as the regular 250um acrylic coating.   For what it’s
> worth they fit nicely into a Tyco A or B size splice tray.   we direct
> spliced one into a case and terminated all 32 outputs onto the distribution
> cable.
>
> I don’t know that I would do that again simple because it creates a lot of
> drops with no control over the reflection at the far end until you connect
> those strands to customer houses or another termination panel.   So far it
> has not created any operation issues but to some extent I think we just got
> lucky.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:09 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> When you strip it, it sure looks bare.  All the color is gone.
> After you strip it, you wipe it off with an alcohol wipe.
> And then when you see it in the fusion splicer screen, it looks bare there
> too.
> Actually it probably has to be totally bare or the coating would
> contaminate the burn.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2017 8:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>
> If the glass was truly "bare" it would be 125um and also be too fragile to
> handle.  What is referred to as "bare fiber" actually has the 250um acrylic
> coating, probably with color added.  It's the barest the fiber can be while
> still being workable.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jason McKemie" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 8/10/2017 6:24:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>
>
> That must be it, the "bare fiber" description is a bit misleading in that
> case though.  Strange way to specify the diameter.
>
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> A "bare fiber" pigtail has 250um acrylic coating.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/10/2017 6:07:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>
>
> That sounds strange to me.
>
> Is there such a thing as 

Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

[chuck]

Re: [AFMUG] PLC SplittersUnless you are in high density subdivisions like I am, 
I would go with splitters in the splice case.  Saves a ton of money.  But you 
have to be committed to PON.  In our method, we can make any sub active with 
just opening the cabinet and moving a jumper.  

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 9:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

Direct splice versus cabinets and patch panels: 

Direct splice is less expensive, reduces vulnerability to vehicle/plow damage, 
easy to test the drop cable, and only a single location needs to be visited to 
turn up a customer.

Cons are increased difficulty in troubleshooting and potentially reflection 
from unterminated cable (though I have not seen issues and several other have 
reported no issues).

Mark

  On Aug 11, 2017, at 10:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Now that I think of it, all of our splitters are in cross boxes with them 
appearing on patch panels in the neighborhoods.  We insert a patch between the 
splitter output to the strand going to the house during install time.  Each 
strand to the homes have their own place on the patch panel too.  

  So, all of our splitter outputs are unterminated unless they are in use.  

  From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
  Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 8:41 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

  Chuck,

  We must have over 100 splitters installed that way.  I would say we only 
average about 20 users on a 1x32.  We haven't seen any issues either.

  -- 
  Best regards,
  Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

  Myakka Technologies, Inc.
  www.MyakkaTech.com

  Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
  http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL

  Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
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  Friday, August 11, 2017, 9:48:53 AM, you wrote:


   So far, I have not encountered a problem caused by unterminated lines.  
I think it is due to the fact that it is frequency division duplex and the 
transmit reflections not only have to experience splitter loss on the return 
trip but there are no receivers looking for energy in that direction.  

From: Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 7:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

I have use the ‘bare’ FS PLC splitters before.   I can’t recall if the 
pigtails had color or were just numbered but they are coated and strip off 
exactly the same as the regular 250um acrylic coating.   For what it’s worth 
they fit nicely into a Tyco A or B size splice tray.   we direct spliced one 
into a case and terminated all 32 outputs onto the distribution cable.   

I don’t know that I would do that again simple because it creates a lot 
of drops with no control over the reflection at the far end until you connect 
those strands to customer houses or another termination panel.   So far it has 
not created any operation issues but to some extent I think we just got lucky.

Mark


 On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:09 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  When you strip it, it sure looks bare.  All the color is gone.  
  After you strip it, you wipe it off with an alcohol wipe.  
  And then when you see it in the fusion splicer screen, it looks 
bare there too.  
  Actually it probably has to be totally bare or the coating would 
contaminate the burn.  

  From: Adam Moffett
  Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 8:24 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

  If the glass was truly "bare" it would be 125um and also be too 
fragile to handle.  What is referred to as "bare fiber" actually has the 250um 
acrylic coating, probably with color added.  It's the barest the fiber can be 
while still being workable. 


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Jason McKemie" 
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Sent: 8/10/2017 6:24:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters


   That must be it, the "bare fiber" description is a bit 
misleading in that case though.  Strange way to specify the diameter.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

 A "bare fiber" pigtail has 250um acrylic coating.


  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 8/10/2017 6:07:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters


   That sounds strange to me.  

Is there such a thing as PON on multi mode 
fiber?

From: Jason McKemie
   

Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

[Mark Radabaugh]

Direct splice versus cabinets and patch panels:

Direct splice is less expensive, reduces vulnerability to vehicle/plow damage, 
easy to test the drop cable, and only a single location needs to be visited to 
turn up a customer.

Cons are increased difficulty in troubleshooting and potentially reflection 
from unterminated cable (though I have not seen issues and several other have 
reported no issues).

Mark

> On Aug 11, 2017, at 10:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> Now that I think of it, all of our splitters are in cross boxes with them 
> appearing on patch panels in the neighborhoods.  We insert a patch between 
> the splitter output to the strand going to the house during install time.  
> Each strand to the homes have their own place on the patch panel too. 
>  
> So, all of our splitter outputs are unterminated unless they are in use. 
>  
> From: Mark - Myakka Technologies <>
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 8:41 AM
> To: af@afmug.com <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>  
> Chuck,
> 
> We must have over 100 splitters installed that way.  I would say we only 
> average about 20 users on a 1x32.  We haven't seen any issues either.
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com <>
> 
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.MyakkaTech.com 
> 
> Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL 
> 
> 
> Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html 
> 
> --
> 
> Friday, August 11, 2017, 9:48:53 AM, you wrote:
> 
>  <>
> 
> So far, I have not encountered a problem caused by unterminated lines.  I 
> think it is due to the fact that it is frequency division duplex and the 
> transmit reflections not only have to experience splitter loss on the return 
> trip but there are no receivers looking for energy in that direction.  
> 
> From: Mark Radabaugh
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 7:21 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
> 
> I have use the ‘bare’ FS PLC splitters before.   I can’t recall if the 
> pigtails had color or were just numbered but they are coated and strip off 
> exactly the same as the regular 250um acrylic coating.   For what it’s worth 
> they fit nicely into a Tyco A or B size splice tray.   we direct spliced one 
> into a case and terminated all 32 outputs onto the distribution cable.   
> 
> I don’t know that I would do that again simple because it creates a lot of 
> drops with no control over the reflection at the far end until you connect 
> those strands to customer houses or another termination panel.   So far it 
> has not created any operation issues but to some extent I think we just got 
> lucky.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:09 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> When you strip it, it sure looks bare.  All the color is gone.  
> After you strip it, you wipe it off with an alcohol wipe.  
> And then when you see it in the fusion splicer screen, it looks bare there 
> too.  
> Actually it probably has to be totally bare or the coating would contaminate 
> the burn.  
> 
> From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 8:24 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
> 
> If the glass was truly "bare" it would be 125um and also be too fragile to 
> handle.  What is referred to as "bare fiber" actually has the 250um acrylic 
> coating, probably with color added.  It's the barest the fiber can be while 
> still being workable. 
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jason McKemie" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 8/10/2017 6:24:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
> 
> 
> That must be it, the "bare fiber" description is a bit misleading in that 
> case though.  Strange way to specify the diameter.
> 
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> A "bare fiber" pigtail has 250um acrylic coating.
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/10/2017 6:07:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
> 
> 
> That sounds strange to me.  
> 
> Is there such a thing as PON on multi mode fiber?
> 
> From: Jason McKemie
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 3:37 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
> 
> I'm looking to possibly do a trial GPON deployment on a leg of my active 
> network, it looks like the FS.com  PLC Splitters are 250µm.  
> However, singlemode fiber is usually spec'd at a cladding of 125µm.  Are they 
> just using a different measurement or some sort of oddly sized fiber? 
> 
> -Jason

Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

[chuck]

Re: [AFMUG] PLC SplittersNow that I think of it, all of our splitters are in 
cross boxes with them appearing on patch panels in the neighborhoods.  We 
insert a patch between the splitter output to the strand going to the house 
during install time.  Each strand to the homes have their own place on the 
patch panel too.  

So, all of our splitter outputs are unterminated unless they are in use.  

From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 8:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

Chuck,

We must have over 100 splitters installed that way.  I would say we only 
average about 20 users on a 1x32.  We haven't seen any issues either.

-- 
Best regards,
Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL

Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
--

Friday, August 11, 2017, 9:48:53 AM, you wrote:


 So far, I have not encountered a problem caused by unterminated lines.  I 
think it is due to the fact that it is frequency division duplex and the 
transmit reflections not only have to experience splitter loss on the return 
trip but there are no receivers looking for energy in that direction.  

  From: Mark Radabaugh
  Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 7:21 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

  I have use the ‘bare’ FS PLC splitters before.   I can’t recall if the 
pigtails had color or were just numbered but they are coated and strip off 
exactly the same as the regular 250um acrylic coating.   For what it’s worth 
they fit nicely into a Tyco A or B size splice tray.   we direct spliced one 
into a case and terminated all 32 outputs onto the distribution cable.   

  I don’t know that I would do that again simple because it creates a lot 
of drops with no control over the reflection at the far end until you connect 
those strands to customer houses or another termination panel.   So far it has 
not created any operation issues but to some extent I think we just got lucky.

  Mark


   On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:09 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

When you strip it, it sure looks bare.  All the color is gone.  
After you strip it, you wipe it off with an alcohol wipe.  
And then when you see it in the fusion splicer screen, it looks 
bare there too.  
Actually it probably has to be totally bare or the coating would 
contaminate the burn.  

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 8:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

If the glass was truly "bare" it would be 125um and also be too 
fragile to handle.  What is referred to as "bare fiber" actually has the 250um 
acrylic coating, probably with color added.  It's the barest the fiber can be 
while still being workable. 


-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/10/2017 6:24:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters


 That must be it, the "bare fiber" description is a bit 
misleading in that case though.  Strange way to specify the diameter.

  On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

   A "bare fiber" pigtail has 250um acrylic coating.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/10/2017 6:07:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters


 That sounds strange to me.  

  Is there such a thing as PON on multi mode fiber?

  From: Jason McKemie
  Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 3:37 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

  I'm looking to possibly do a trial GPON 
deployment on a leg of my active network, it looks like the FS.com PLC 
Splitters are 250µm.  However, singlemode fiber is usually spec'd at a cladding 
of 125µm.  Are they just using a different measurement or some sort of oddly 
sized fiber? 

  -Jason 
   
 
   
 

Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters


Chuck,

We must have over 100 splitters installed that way.  I would say we only average about 20 users on a 1x32.  We haven't seen any issues either.

-- 
Best regards,
 Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL

Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
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Friday, August 11, 2017, 9:48:53 AM, you wrote:






So far, I have not encountered a problem caused by unterminated lines.  I think it is due to the fact that it is frequency division duplex and the transmit reflections not only have to experience splitter loss on the return trip but there are no receivers looking for energy in that direction.  
 
From: Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 7:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
 
I have use the ‘bare’ FS PLC splitters before.   I can’t recall if the pigtails had color or were just numbered but they are coated and strip off exactly the same as the regular 250um acrylic coating.   For what it’s worth they fit nicely into a Tyco A or B size splice tray.   we direct spliced one into a case and terminated all 32 outputs onto the distribution cable.   
 
I don’t know that I would do that again simple because it creates a lot of drops with no control over the reflection at the far end until you connect those strands to customer houses or another termination panel.   So far it has not created any operation issues but to some extent I think we just got lucky.
 
Mark
 




On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:09 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
 
When you strip it, it sure looks bare.  All the color is gone.  
After you strip it, you wipe it off with an alcohol wipe.  
And then when you see it in the fusion splicer screen, it looks bare there too.  
Actually it probably has to be totally bare or the coating would contaminate the burn.  
 
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 8:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
 
If the glass was truly "bare" it would be 125um and also be too fragile to handle.  What is referred to as "bare fiber" actually has the 250um acrylic coating, probably with color added.  It's the barest the fiber can be while still being workable. 
 
 
-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/10/2017 6:24:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
 




That must be it, the "bare fiber" description is a bit misleading in that case though.  Strange way to specify the diameter.
 
On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:




A "bare fiber" pigtail has 250um acrylic coating.
 
 
-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/10/2017 6:07:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
 




That sounds strange to me.  
 
Is there such a thing as PON on multi mode fiber?
 
From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 3:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
 
I'm looking to possibly do a trial GPON deployment on a leg of my active network, it looks like the FS.com PLC Splitters are 250µm.  However, singlemode fiber is usually spec'd at a cladding of 125µm.  Are they just using a different measurement or some sort of oddly sized fiber? 

-Jason











 

Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

[chuck]

So far, I have not encountered a problem caused by unterminated lines.  I think 
it is due to the fact that it is frequency division duplex and the transmit 
reflections not only have to experience splitter loss on the return trip but 
there are no receivers looking for energy in that direction.  

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 7:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

I have use the ‘bare’ FS PLC splitters before.   I can’t recall if the pigtails 
had color or were just numbered but they are coated and strip off exactly the 
same as the regular 250um acrylic coating.   For what it’s worth they fit 
nicely into a Tyco A or B size splice tray.   we direct spliced one into a case 
and terminated all 32 outputs onto the distribution cable.   

I don’t know that I would do that again simple because it creates a lot of 
drops with no control over the reflection at the far end until you connect 
those strands to customer houses or another termination panel.   So far it has 
not created any operation issues but to some extent I think we just got lucky.

Mark

  On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:09 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  When you strip it, it sure looks bare.  All the color is gone.  
  After you strip it, you wipe it off with an alcohol wipe.  
  And then when you see it in the fusion splicer screen, it looks bare there 
too.  
  Actually it probably has to be totally bare or the coating would contaminate 
the burn.  

  From: Adam Moffett
  Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 8:24 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

  If the glass was truly "bare" it would be 125um and also be too fragile to 
handle.  What is referred to as "bare fiber" actually has the 250um acrylic 
coating, probably with color added.  It's the barest the fiber can be while 
still being workable. 


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Jason McKemie" 
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Sent: 8/10/2017 6:24:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

That must be it, the "bare fiber" description is a bit misleading in that 
case though.  Strange way to specify the diameter.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  A "bare fiber" pigtail has 250um acrylic coating.


  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 8/10/2017 6:07:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

That sounds strange to me.  

Is there such a thing as PON on multi mode fiber?

From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 3:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

I'm looking to possibly do a trial GPON deployment on a leg of my 
active network, it looks like the FS.com PLC Splitters are 250µm.  However, 
singlemode fiber is usually spec'd at a cladding of 125µm.  Are they just using 
a different measurement or some sort of oddly sized fiber? 


-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

[Mark Radabaugh]

I have use the ‘bare’ FS PLC splitters before.   I can’t recall if the pigtails 
had color or were just numbered but they are coated and strip off exactly the 
same as the regular 250um acrylic coating.   For what it’s worth they fit 
nicely into a Tyco A or B size splice tray.   we direct spliced one into a case 
and terminated all 32 outputs onto the distribution cable.   

I don’t know that I would do that again simple because it creates a lot of 
drops with no control over the reflection at the far end until you connect 
those strands to customer houses or another termination panel.   So far it has 
not created any operation issues but to some extent I think we just got lucky.

Mark

> On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:09 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> When you strip it, it sure looks bare.  All the color is gone.  
> After you strip it, you wipe it off with an alcohol wipe.  
> And then when you see it in the fusion splicer screen, it looks bare there 
> too.  
> Actually it probably has to be totally bare or the coating would contaminate 
> the burn.  
>  
> From: Adam Moffett <>
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 8:24 PM
> To:  <>af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>  
> If the glass was truly "bare" it would be 125um and also be too fragile to 
> handle.  What is referred to as "bare fiber" actually has the 250um acrylic 
> coating, probably with color added.  It's the barest the fiber can be while 
> still being workable. 
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jason McKemie" < <>j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com 
> >
> To: "af@afmug.com " < <>af@afmug.com 
> >
> Sent: 8/10/2017 6:24:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>  
>> That must be it, the "bare fiber" description is a bit misleading in that 
>> case though.  Strange way to specify the diameter.
>>  
>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Adam Moffett < <>dmmoff...@gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>>> A "bare fiber" pigtail has 250um acrylic coating.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From:  <>ch...@wbmfg.com 
>>> To:  <>af@afmug.com 
>>> Sent: 8/10/2017 6:07:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>>>  
 That sounds strange to me.  
  
 Is there such a thing as PON on multi mode fiber?
  
 From: Jason McKemie <>
 Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 3:37 PM
 To:  <>af@afmug.com 
 Subject: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
  
 I'm looking to possibly do a trial GPON deployment on a leg of my active 
 network, it looks like the FS.com  PLC Splitters are 
 250µm.  However, singlemode fiber is usually spec'd at a cladding of 
 125µm.  Are they just using a different measurement or some sort of oddly 
 sized fiber?
 
 -Jason

Re: [AFMUG] anyone else getting two copies ?

[Dennis Burgess]

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 7:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone else getting two copies ?

No extra charge for the 2nd copy either.  If you want emails in triplicate, 
then yes, we do charge extra for that 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 4:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone else getting two copies ?

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To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone else getting two copies ?

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Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

[Adam Moffett]

It is bare after you strip it.  But if you were to purchase a spool of 
"bare fiber" it would have the 250um coating on it.



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/10/2017 11:09:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters


When you strip it, it sure looks bare.  All the color is gone.
After you strip it, you wipe it off with an alcohol wipe.
And then when you see it in the fusion splicer screen, it looks bare 
there too.
Actually it probably has to be totally bare or the coating would 
contaminate the burn.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 8:24 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

If the glass was truly "bare" it would be 125um and also be too fragile 
to handle.  What is referred to as "bare fiber" actually has the 250um 
acrylic coating, probably with color added.  It's the barest the fiber 
can be while still being workable.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/10/2017 6:24:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

That must be it, the "bare fiber" description is a bit misleading in 
that case though.  Strange way to specify the diameter.


On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

A "bare fiber" pigtail has 250um acrylic coating.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/10/2017 6:07:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters


That sounds strange to me.

Is there such a thing as PON on multi mode fiber?

From:Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 3:37 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

I'm looking to possibly do a trial GPON deployment on a leg of my 
active network, it looks like the FS.com PLC Splitters are 250µm.  
However, singlemode fiber is usually spec'd at a cladding of 125µm.  
Are they just using a different measurement or some sort of oddly 
sized fiber?


-Jason