Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

[Jon Langeler]

Name it the 'Stinger':-)

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Aug 20, 2017, at 10:08 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> I am thinking that if I put in some legs that would fit inside the culvert 
> and if the lid was about 6” wider than the culvert all the way round, both 
> the lip and the legs would be pretty strong if someone drove over it. 
>  
> I need some my self.  Sounds like a worthy project to resurrect.  Have to 
> look up the method for rating hand holes.  Something about tire widths and 
> forces.  I know with the polymer concrete you elevate the lid and drive a 
> truck of certain weight on it and it cannot break.  Not sure where I found 
> that reference.  I think it was some kind of DOT document. 
>  
> From: Chris Fabien
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:56 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>  
> We would be interested in a 24" version.
>  
>> On Aug 20, 2017 8:50 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>> I did a 24” version too. But if you are splicing a couple of 288 strands the 
>> splice case is pretty large. 
>>  
>> From: Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:49 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>>  
>> 36" diameter?  That's a big honkin handhole. What are you guys putting into 
>> these hand holes?
>>  
>>  
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 8/20/2017 5:56:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>>  
>>> I was making handhole components a few years ago.  Not a big money maker.  
>>> But handholes are simply too expensive.  I came up with some alternate 
>>> designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit.  Made a lid to go over it.  
>>> Maybe I ought to revisit that project.  The world needs lower cost hand 
>>> holes. 
>>>  
>>> From: George Skorup
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>>>  
>>> We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private 
>>> association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical 
>>> contractor and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at 
>>> least we can get duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and 
>>> 21 or 22 handholes. Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 
>>> PLCs in the splice cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates 
>>> are around $25-27k before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We 
>>> figure we can make a business case with a $1k install.
>>> 
 On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
 It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just 
 fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors. 
 
> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'.  The long ones naturally pushed 
> up the average quite a bit.
>  
> On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable.  The contractor 
> is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't 
> recall how much of that was labor vs material.  We did have to add 4 
> poles, so there's that in the $17,000/mile.  And that also includes 
> splice enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric 
> installation at the switch enclosure.
>  
> Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber?  If not, then 
> we're very close.  If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a 
> bit.
>  
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jason McKemie" 
> To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');" 
> 
> Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>  
>> How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last 
>> time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much 
>> make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me 
>> roughly $1/ft since I'm doing them myself now.
>> 
>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett 
>>>  wrote:
>>> I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment.  Each customer 
>>> installation averaged $900.  This is rural, so lots of long drops.
>>>  
>>> I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures up 
>>> to yours.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Adam Moffett" 
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>>>  
 So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of 
 money have you ended up spending 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Eclipse traffic/weather

[Josh Reynolds]

Ever spend any time up that way?

On Aug 20, 2017 9:16 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Cool...
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Aug 20, 2017 8:13 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> Henderson isn't a bad place. I'm originally from Owensboro, just to the
>> east, still on the river.
>>
>> On Aug 20, 2017 9:11 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My brother lives in Henderson, Ky.. They are going to some friends cabin
>>> in Tennessee...I will be busy running conduit tomorrow, maybe I will watch
>>> it on TV app
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Aug 20, 2017 5:55 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>>
 I have family in Carbondale, but I have too much work to do to spend 10
 hours on the road.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 
 
 The Brothers WISP 
 


 
 --
 *From: *"Joe Novak" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:53:05 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Eclipse traffic/weather

 I'm down in southern Illinois near Carbondale. Doesn't seem
 ridiculously busy around here.

 On Aug 20, 2017 5:29 PM, "Gino A. Villarini"  wrote:

 Yeap heading to Athens TN

 Gino A. Villarini
 @gvillarini





 *Gino A. Villarini*
 President
 Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

 On Aug 20, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

 No unusual traffic to Rexburg, ID.  People setting up signs for eclipse
 parking.  $25/day
 Glad my son still has a few days left on his college apartment lease.

 Weather still looking good for most of the nation.

 At the moment looks like Gino might want to do TN instead of SC.
 Looks like Forrest is safe with WY.

 Making and testing viewers.  3 layers of aluminized mylar space blanked
 is equivalent  to the commercially made viewers.  (So says my calibrated
 eyeballs).

Re: [AFMUG] OT Eclipse traffic/weather

[Jaime Solorza]

Cool...

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 20, 2017 8:13 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Henderson isn't a bad place. I'm originally from Owensboro, just to the
> east, still on the river.
>
> On Aug 20, 2017 9:11 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> My brother lives in Henderson, Ky.. They are going to some friends cabin
>> in Tennessee...I will be busy running conduit tomorrow, maybe I will watch
>> it on TV app
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Aug 20, 2017 5:55 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>>> I have family in Carbondale, but I have too much work to do to spend 10
>>> hours on the road.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Joe Novak" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:53:05 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Eclipse traffic/weather
>>>
>>> I'm down in southern Illinois near Carbondale. Doesn't seem ridiculously
>>> busy around here.
>>>
>>> On Aug 20, 2017 5:29 PM, "Gino A. Villarini"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeap heading to Athens TN
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> @gvillarini
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> On Aug 20, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>> No unusual traffic to Rexburg, ID.  People setting up signs for eclipse
>>> parking.  $25/day
>>> Glad my son still has a few days left on his college apartment lease.
>>>
>>> Weather still looking good for most of the nation.
>>>
>>> At the moment looks like Gino might want to do TN instead of SC.
>>> Looks like Forrest is safe with WY.
>>>
>>> Making and testing viewers.  3 layers of aluminized mylar space blanked
>>> is equivalent  to the commercially made viewers.  (So says my calibrated
>>> eyeballs).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Eclipse traffic/weather

[Josh Reynolds]

Henderson isn't a bad place. I'm originally from Owensboro, just to the
east, still on the river.

On Aug 20, 2017 9:11 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> My brother lives in Henderson, Ky.. They are going to some friends cabin
> in Tennessee...I will be busy running conduit tomorrow, maybe I will watch
> it on TV app
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Aug 20, 2017 5:55 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> I have family in Carbondale, but I have too much work to do to spend 10
>> hours on the road.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Joe Novak" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:53:05 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Eclipse traffic/weather
>>
>> I'm down in southern Illinois near Carbondale. Doesn't seem ridiculously
>> busy around here.
>>
>> On Aug 20, 2017 5:29 PM, "Gino A. Villarini"  wrote:
>>
>> Yeap heading to Athens TN
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> @gvillarini
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> On Aug 20, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> No unusual traffic to Rexburg, ID.  People setting up signs for eclipse
>> parking.  $25/day
>> Glad my son still has a few days left on his college apartment lease.
>>
>> Weather still looking good for most of the nation.
>>
>> At the moment looks like Gino might want to do TN instead of SC.
>> Looks like Forrest is safe with WY.
>>
>> Making and testing viewers.  3 layers of aluminized mylar space blanked
>> is equivalent  to the commercially made viewers.  (So says my calibrated
>> eyeballs).
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Eclipse traffic/weather

[Jaime Solorza]

My brother lives in Henderson, Ky.. They are going to some friends cabin in
Tennessee...I will be busy running conduit tomorrow, maybe I will watch it
on TV app

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 20, 2017 5:55 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> I have family in Carbondale, but I have too much work to do to spend 10
> hours on the road.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Joe Novak" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:53:05 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Eclipse traffic/weather
>
> I'm down in southern Illinois near Carbondale. Doesn't seem ridiculously
> busy around here.
>
> On Aug 20, 2017 5:29 PM, "Gino A. Villarini"  wrote:
>
> Yeap heading to Athens TN
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> @gvillarini
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Aug 20, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> No unusual traffic to Rexburg, ID.  People setting up signs for eclipse
> parking.  $25/day
> Glad my son still has a few days left on his college apartment lease.
>
> Weather still looking good for most of the nation.
>
> At the moment looks like Gino might want to do TN instead of SC.
> Looks like Forrest is safe with WY.
>
> Making and testing viewers.  3 layers of aluminized mylar space blanked is
> equivalent  to the commercially made viewers.  (So says my calibrated
> eyeballs).
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

[Chuck McCown]

I am thinking that if I put in some legs that would fit inside the culvert and 
if the lid was about 6” wider than the culvert all the way round, both the lip 
and the legs would be pretty strong if someone drove over it.  

I need some my self.  Sounds like a worthy project to resurrect.  Have to look 
up the method for rating hand holes.  Something about tire widths and forces.  
I know with the polymer concrete you elevate the lid and drive a truck of 
certain weight on it and it cannot break.  Not sure where I found that 
reference.  I think it was some kind of DOT document.  

From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

We would be interested in a 24" version. 

On Aug 20, 2017 8:50 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  I did a 24” version too. But if you are splicing a couple of 288 strands the 
splice case is pretty large.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:49 PM
  To: af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

  36" diameter?  That's a big honkin handhole. What are you guys putting into 
these hand holes?


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 8/20/2017 5:56:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

I was making handhole components a few years ago.  Not a big money maker.  
But handholes are simply too expensive.  I came up with some alternate designs, 
like a slice of 36” plastic conduit.  Made a lid to go over it.  Maybe I ought 
to revisit that project.  The world needs lower cost hand holes.  

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private 
association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical contractor 
and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at least we can get 
duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and 21 or 22 handholes. 
Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 PLCs in the splice 
cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates are around $25-27k 
before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We figure we can make a 
business case with a $1k install.


On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

  It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just 
fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors. 

  On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:

Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'.  The long ones naturally pushed 
up the average quite a bit.

On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable.  The 
contractor is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI 
don't recall how much of that was labor vs material.  We did have to add 4 
poles, so there's that in the $17,000/mile.  And that also includes splice 
enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation at 
the switch enclosure.

Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber?  If not, then 
we're very close.  If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a bit.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');" 

Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

  How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft 
last time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much 
make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me roughly 
$1/ft since I'm doing them myself now.

  On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment.  Each 
customer installation averaged $900.  This is rural, so lots of long drops.

I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures 
up to yours.


-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

  So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of 
money have you ended up spending per mile? 
  How much per customer installation?

Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

[Chris Fabien]

We would be interested in a 24" version.

On Aug 20, 2017 8:50 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I did a 24” version too. But if you are splicing a couple of 288 strands
> the splice case is pretty large.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:49 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>
> 36" diameter?  That's a big honkin handhole. What are you guys putting
> into these hand holes?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/20/2017 5:56:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>
>
> I was making handhole components a few years ago.  Not a big money maker.
> But handholes are simply too expensive.  I came up with some alternate
> designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit.  Made a lid to go over it.
> Maybe I ought to revisit that project.  The world needs lower cost hand
> holes.
>
> *From:* George Skorup
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>
> We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private
> association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical
> contractor and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at
> least we can get duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and
> 21 or 22 handholes. Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4
> PLCs in the splice cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates
> are around $25-27k before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We
> figure we can make a business case with a $1k install.
>
> On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just
> fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors.
>
> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'.  The long ones naturally pushed
>> up the average quite a bit.
>>
>> On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable.  The contractor
>> is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't
>> recall how much of that was labor vs material.  We did have to add 4 poles,
>> so there's that in the $17,000/mile.  And that also includes splice
>> enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation
>> at the switch enclosure.
>>
>> Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber?  If not, then
>> we're very close.  If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a bit.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Jason McKemie" 
>> To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');" <
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
>> Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>>
>>
>> How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last
>> time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much
>> make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me
>> roughly $1/ft since I'm doing them myself now.
>>
>> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett > dmmoff...@gmail.com');> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment.  Each customer
>>> installation averaged $900.  This is rural, so lots of long drops.
>>>
>>> I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures up
>>> to yours.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Adam Moffett" 
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>>>
>>>
>>> So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of money
>>> have you ended up spending per mile?
>>> How much per customer installation?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

[Chuck McCown]

I did a 24” version too. But if you are splicing a couple of 288 strands the 
splice case is pretty large.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

36" diameter?  That's a big honkin handhole. What are you guys putting into 
these hand holes?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/20/2017 5:56:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

  I was making handhole components a few years ago.  Not a big money maker.  
But handholes are simply too expensive.  I came up with some alternate designs, 
like a slice of 36” plastic conduit.  Made a lid to go over it.  Maybe I ought 
to revisit that project.  The world needs lower cost hand holes.  

  From: George Skorup 
  Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

  We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private 
association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical contractor 
and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at least we can get 
duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and 21 or 22 handholes. 
Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 PLCs in the splice 
cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates are around $25-27k 
before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We figure we can make a 
business case with a $1k install.


  On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just 
fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors. 

On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'.  The long ones naturally pushed 
up the average quite a bit.

  On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable.  The contractor 
is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't recall 
how much of that was labor vs material.  We did have to add 4 poles, so there's 
that in the $17,000/mile.  And that also includes splice enclosures, switches, 
optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation at the switch enclosure.

  Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber?  If not, then 
we're very close.  If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a bit.



  -- Original Message --
  From: "Jason McKemie" 
  To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');" 

  Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last 
time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much make 
ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me roughly $1/ft 
since I'm doing them myself now.

On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

  I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment.  Each 
customer installation averaged $900.  This is rural, so lots of long drops.

  I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures 
up to yours.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Adam Moffett" 
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of 
money have you ended up spending per mile? 
How much per customer installation?

Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

[Jason McKemie]

Carson 2200 rounds are cheap and seem to do the job - not traffic rated
though.

On Sunday, August 20, 2017, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I was making handhole components a few years ago.  Not a big money maker.
> But handholes are simply too expensive.  I came up with some alternate
> designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit.  Made a lid to go over it.
> Maybe I ought to revisit that project.  The world needs lower cost hand
> holes.
>
> *From:* George Skorup
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>
> We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private
> association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical
> contractor and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at
> least we can get duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and
> 21 or 22 handholes. Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4
> PLCs in the splice cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates
> are around $25-27k before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We
> figure we can make a business case with a $1k install.
>
> On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just
> fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors.
>
> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'.  The long ones naturally pushed
>> up the average quite a bit.
>>
>> On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable.  The contractor
>> is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't
>> recall how much of that was labor vs material.  We did have to add 4 poles,
>> so there's that in the $17,000/mile.  And that also includes splice
>> enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation
>> at the switch enclosure.
>>
>> Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber?  If not, then
>> we're very close.  If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a bit.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Jason McKemie" 
>> To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');" <
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
>> Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>>
>>
>> How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last
>> time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much
>> make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me
>> roughly $1/ft since I'm doing them myself now.
>>
>> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett > dmmoff...@gmail.com');> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment.  Each customer
>>> installation averaged $900.  This is rural, so lots of long drops.
>>>
>>> I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures up
>>> to yours.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Adam Moffett" 
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>>>
>>>
>>> So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of money
>>> have you ended up spending per mile?
>>> How much per customer installation?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Eclipse traffic/weather

[Mike Hammett]

I have family in Carbondale, but I have too much work to do to spend 10 hours 
on the road. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Joe Novak"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:53:05 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Eclipse traffic/weather 


I'm down in southern Illinois near Carbondale. Doesn't seem ridiculously busy 
around here. 


On Aug 20, 2017 5:29 PM, "Gino A. Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: 




Yeap heading to Athens TN 

Gino A. Villarini 
@gvillarini 












Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

On Aug 20, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 








No unusual traffic to Rexburg, ID. People setting up signs for eclipse parking. 
$25/day 
Glad my son still has a few days left on his college apartment lease. 

Weather still looking good for most of the nation. 

At the moment looks like Gino might want to do TN instead of SC. 
Looks like Forrest is safe with WY. 

Making and testing viewers. 3 layers of aluminized mylar space blanked is 
equivalent to the commercially made viewers. (So says my calibrated eyeballs). 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Eclipse traffic/weather

[Joe Novak]

I'm down in southern Illinois near Carbondale. Doesn't seem ridiculously
busy around here.

On Aug 20, 2017 5:29 PM, "Gino A. Villarini"  wrote:

Yeap heading to Athens TN

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini





*Gino A. Villarini*
President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

On Aug 20, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

No unusual traffic to Rexburg, ID.  People setting up signs for eclipse
parking.  $25/day
Glad my son still has a few days left on his college apartment lease.

Weather still looking good for most of the nation.

At the moment looks like Gino might want to do TN instead of SC.
Looks like Forrest is safe with WY.

Making and testing viewers.  3 layers of aluminized mylar space blanked is
equivalent  to the commercially made viewers.  (So says my calibrated
eyeballs).

Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

[Jon Langeler]

As long as the lawn tractors don't punch through...

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Aug 20, 2017, at 6:20 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> I presume that double walled ribbed plastic culvert is available nationwide.  
> I could just do the galvanized steel lids for them and you get the culvert 
> locally and cut off a slice.  Not sure about making them traffic rated.  If 
> the lid is larger than the culvert the load could be transferred to the 
> earth.  If the middle of it was stiff enough it might be strong enough.  I 
> think it has to take 26,000 lbs. 
>  
> From: Jon Langeler
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 4:09 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>  
> Sounds like a winner. Then have 1 or more lid options  
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>  
> 
>> On Aug 20, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> 
>> I was making handhole components a few years ago.  Not a big money maker.  
>> But handholes are simply too expensive.  I came up with some alternate 
>> designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit.  Made a lid to go over it.  
>> Maybe I ought to revisit that project.  The world needs lower cost hand 
>> holes. 
>>  
>> From: George Skorup
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>>  
>> We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private 
>> association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical 
>> contractor and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at 
>> least we can get duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and 
>> 21 or 22 handholes. Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 
>> PLCs in the splice cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates 
>> are around $25-27k before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We 
>> figure we can make a business case with a $1k install.
>> 
>>> On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>> It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just 
>>> fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors. 
>>> 
 On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:
 Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'.  The long ones naturally pushed up 
 the average quite a bit.
  
 On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable.  The contractor 
 is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't 
 recall how much of that was labor vs material.  We did have to add 4 
 poles, so there's that in the $17,000/mile.  And that also includes splice 
 enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation 
 at the switch enclosure.
  
 Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber?  If not, then we're 
 very close.  If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a bit.
  
  
  
 -- Original Message --
 From: "Jason McKemie" 
 To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');" 
 
 Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
  
> How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last 
> time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much 
> make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me 
> roughly $1/ft since I'm doing them myself now.
> 
>> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett 
>>  wrote:
>> I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment.  Each customer 
>> installation averaged $900.  This is rural, so lots of long drops.
>>  
>> I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures up 
>> to yours.
>>  
>>  
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Adam Moffett" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>>  
>>> So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of money 
>>> have you ended up spending per mile?
>>> How much per customer installation?

Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

[Adam Moffett]

36" diameter?  That's a big honkin handhole. What are you guys putting 
into these hand holes?



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/20/2017 5:56:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

I was making handhole components a few years ago.  Not a big money 
maker.  But handholes are simply too expensive.  I came up with some 
alternate designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit.  Made a lid to 
go over it.  Maybe I ought to revisit that project.  The world needs 
lower cost hand holes.


From:George Skorup
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. 
Private association of about 40 homes. The president is also an 
electrical contractor and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the 
past. So at least we can get duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 
feet of duct and 21 or 22 handholes. Probably going to follow Chuck 
Hogg's strategy with 1x4 PLCs in the splice cases fed by PLCs at the 
cabinet. My rough guestimates are around $25-27k before putting it in 
the ground or customer drops. We figure we can make a business case 
with a $1k install.


On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. 
Just fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors.


On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'.  The long ones naturally 
pushed up the average quite a bit.


On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable.  The 
contractor is supplying all material except the cable itself and 
honestlyI don't recall how much of that was labor vs material.  We 
did have to add 4 poles, so there's that in the $17,000/mile.  And 
that also includes splice enclosures, switches, optics, switch 
enclosure, and electric installation at the switch enclosure.


Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber?  If not, then 
we're very close.  If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite 
a bit.




-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');" 


Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft 
last time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to 
do much make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops 
cost me roughly $1/ft since I'm doing them myself now.


On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:
I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment.  Each 
customer installation averaged $900.  This is rural, so lots of 
long drops.


I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures 
up to yours.



-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of 
money have you ended up spending per mile?

How much per customer installation?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Eclipse traffic/weather

[Gino A. Villarini]

Yeap heading to Athens TN

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini






Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Aug 20, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:

No unusual traffic to Rexburg, ID.  People setting up signs for eclipse 
parking.  $25/day
Glad my son still has a few days left on his college apartment lease.

Weather still looking good for most of the nation.

At the moment looks like Gino might want to do TN instead of SC.
Looks like Forrest is safe with WY.

Making and testing viewers.  3 layers of aluminized mylar space blanked is 
equivalent  to the commercially made viewers.  (So says my calibrated eyeballs).

Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

[Chuck McCown]

I presume that double walled ribbed plastic culvert is available nationwide.  I 
could just do the galvanized steel lids for them and you get the culvert 
locally and cut off a slice.  Not sure about making them traffic rated.  If the 
lid is larger than the culvert the load could be transferred to the earth.  If 
the middle of it was stiff enough it might be strong enough.  I think it has to 
take 26,000 lbs.  

From: Jon Langeler 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 4:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

Sounds like a winner. Then have 1 or more lid options  


Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Aug 20, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


  I was making handhole components a few years ago.  Not a big money maker.  
But handholes are simply too expensive.  I came up with some alternate designs, 
like a slice of 36” plastic conduit.  Made a lid to go over it.  Maybe I ought 
to revisit that project.  The world needs lower cost hand holes.  

  From: George Skorup 
  Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

  We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private 
association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical contractor 
and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at least we can get 
duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and 21 or 22 handholes. 
Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 PLCs in the splice 
cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates are around $25-27k 
before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We figure we can make a 
business case with a $1k install.


  On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just 
fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors. 

On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'.  The long ones naturally pushed 
up the average quite a bit.

  On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable.  The contractor 
is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't recall 
how much of that was labor vs material.  We did have to add 4 poles, so there's 
that in the $17,000/mile.  And that also includes splice enclosures, switches, 
optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation at the switch enclosure.

  Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber?  If not, then 
we're very close.  If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a bit.



  -- Original Message --
  From: "Jason McKemie" 
  To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');" 

  Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last 
time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much make 
ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me roughly $1/ft 
since I'm doing them myself now.

On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

  I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment.  Each 
customer installation averaged $900.  This is rural, so lots of long drops.

  I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures 
up to yours.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Adam Moffett" 
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of 
money have you ended up spending per mile? 
How much per customer installation?

Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

[Jon Langeler]

Sounds like a winner. Then have 1 or more lid options  

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Aug 20, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> I was making handhole components a few years ago.  Not a big money maker.  
> But handholes are simply too expensive.  I came up with some alternate 
> designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit.  Made a lid to go over it.  
> Maybe I ought to revisit that project.  The world needs lower cost hand 
> holes. 
>  
> From: George Skorup
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>  
> We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private 
> association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical contractor 
> and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at least we can 
> get duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and 21 or 22 
> handholes. Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 PLCs in 
> the splice cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates are around 
> $25-27k before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We figure we can 
> make a business case with a $1k install.
> 
>> On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>> It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just 
>> fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors. 
>> 
>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>> Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'.  The long ones naturally pushed up 
>>> the average quite a bit.
>>>  
>>> On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable.  The contractor 
>>> is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't 
>>> recall how much of that was labor vs material.  We did have to add 4 poles, 
>>> so there's that in the $17,000/mile.  And that also includes splice 
>>> enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation 
>>> at the switch enclosure.
>>>  
>>> Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber?  If not, then we're 
>>> very close.  If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a bit.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Jason McKemie" 
>>> To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');" 
>>> 
>>> Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>>>  
 How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last 
 time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much 
 make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me 
 roughly $1/ft since I'm doing them myself now.
 
> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett 
>  wrote:
> I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment.  Each customer 
> installation averaged $900.  This is rural, so lots of long drops.
>  
> I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures up to 
> yours.
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>  
>> So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of money 
>> have you ended up spending per mile?
>> How much per customer installation?
> 

[AFMUG] OT Eclipse traffic/weather

[Chuck McCown]

No unusual traffic to Rexburg, ID.  People setting up signs for eclipse 
parking.  $25/day
Glad my son still has a few days left on his college apartment lease.  

Weather still looking good for most of the nation.  

At the moment looks like Gino might want to do TN instead of SC.  
Looks like Forrest is safe with WY.  

Making and testing viewers.  3 layers of aluminized mylar space blanked is 
equivalent  to the commercially made viewers.  (So says my calibrated 
eyeballs).  

Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

[Chuck McCown]

I was making handhole components a few years ago.  Not a big money maker.  But 
handholes are simply too expensive.  I came up with some alternate designs, 
like a slice of 36” plastic conduit.  Made a lid to go over it.  Maybe I ought 
to revisit that project.  The world needs lower cost hand holes.  

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private 
association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical contractor 
and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at least we can get 
duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and 21 or 22 handholes. 
Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 PLCs in the splice 
cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates are around $25-27k 
before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We figure we can make a 
business case with a $1k install.


On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

  It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just 
fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors. 

  On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:

Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'.  The long ones naturally pushed up 
the average quite a bit.

On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable.  The contractor 
is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't recall 
how much of that was labor vs material.  We did have to add 4 poles, so there's 
that in the $17,000/mile.  And that also includes splice enclosures, switches, 
optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation at the switch enclosure.

Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber?  If not, then we're 
very close.  If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a bit.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');" 

Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

  How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last 
time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much make 
ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me roughly $1/ft 
since I'm doing them myself now.

  On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment.  Each customer 
installation averaged $900.  This is rural, so lots of long drops.

I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures up 
to yours.


-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

  So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of 
money have you ended up spending per mile? 
  How much per customer installation?

Re: [AFMUG] Another Ceragon ODU Frequency Question

[Trey Scarborough]

Your antenna as others have stated should be fine. I would power up the 
radio and check it before jumping to conclusions. If it was an RMA 
return that was not the original radio they sent you there is a chance 
they could have changed the diplexer in it to be the correct one.  If 
this was done they should have changed it in software too.



On 8/18/2017 8:10 PM, George Skorup wrote:
The antennas have to pass both the Tx and Rx channels, so no, they're 
not high/low. They'll either be 10.0-11.7 or 10.7-11.7.


10835 is your low, so 11325 would be your high side, which doesn't 
fall into that diplexer range either. WTF? Is your license for 
10835/11325 H+V? This is IP20/820C, right? So each radio has two 
diplexers. Is there only one label?


On 8/18/2017 7:17 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I had the Low radio on the Low end, so that was correct.

But are you saying for sure this radio cannot select that low of a 
channel?


Also, now that I'm thinking of it, do the 3' Andrews dishes need to 
be High/Low?
I was pretty sure the 3' dishes typically covered the entire 11GHz 
band, right?


What do I do about the radios now?

I'm thinking of comparing the radio I got back from Ceragon with my 
other radio and seeing if somehow Ceragon did something or put a 
wrong part back on it.

Since it refuses to mount back on the antenna it used to mount to now...

Someone shoot me.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another Ceragon ODU Frequency Question

Yeah, that's not gonna work real well, or at all. Is this the link 
where you had them backwards? Didn't you end up swapping them? Or did 
you open them up and change the diplexers?


On 8/18/2017 6:09 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Ok, so maybe this is a problem and maybe not.

But our license says we transmit LOW at channel 10835MHz.

The sticker on the label of the LOW Ceragon ODU shows transmit at 
10915-11207MHz.


Does that mean I have the wrong ODU for this license?

Or is the IP-20C radio that I have capable of that channel and it's 
ok because that's just a sticker, not the limitations of the actual 
ODU transmit.


Anyone know?

Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

[George Skorup]

We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. 
Private association of about 40 homes. The president is also an 
electrical contractor and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the 
past. So at least we can get duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 
feet of duct and 21 or 22 handholes. Probably going to follow Chuck 
Hogg's strategy with 1x4 PLCs in the splice cases fed by PLCs at the 
cabinet. My rough guestimates are around $25-27k before putting it in 
the ground or customer drops. We figure we can make a business case with 
a $1k install.


On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. 
Just fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors.


On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett > wrote:


Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'.  The long ones naturally
pushed up the average quite a bit.

On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable.  The
contractor is supplying all material except the cable itself and
honestlyI don't recall how much of that was labor vs material.  We
did have to add 4 poles, so there's that in the $17,000/mile.  And
that also includes splice enclosures, switches, optics, switch
enclosure, and electric installation at the switch enclosure.

Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber? If not,
then we're very close.  If it does then I have to sharpen the
pencil quite a bit.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" >
To: "af@afmug.com "
>
Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile


How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft
last time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have
to do much make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my
drops cost me roughly $1/ft since I'm doing them myself now.

On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett > wrote:

I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment. 
Each customer installation averaged $900.  This is rural, so
lots of long drops.

I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine
measures up to yours.


-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile


So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what
sort of money have you ended up spending per mile?
How much per customer installation?

Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile

[Jason McKemie]

It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just
fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors.

On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'.  The long ones naturally pushed up
> the average quite a bit.
>
> On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable.  The contractor
> is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't
> recall how much of that was labor vs material.  We did have to add 4 poles,
> so there's that in the $17,000/mile.  And that also includes splice
> enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation
> at the switch enclosure.
>
> Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber?  If not, then we're
> very close.  If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a bit.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jason McKemie"  >
> To: "af@afmug.com " <
> af@afmug.com >
> Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>
> How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last
> time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much
> make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me
> roughly $1/ft since I'm doing them myself now.
>
> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett  > wrote:
>
>> I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment.  Each customer
>> installation averaged $900.  This is rural, so lots of long drops.
>>
>> I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures up to
>> yours.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Adam Moffett" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>>
>> So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of money
>> have you ended up spending per mile?
>> How much per customer installation?
>>
>>
>>

[AFMUG] OT Weather for Monday

[Chuck McCown]

Pretty good except for Missouri:
https://www.weather.gov/source/crh/eclipse.html