date:20170929

Re: [AFMUG] Fun day

2017-09-29 Thread Mitch Koep


Maybe you should find out if it was the Gen or the Battery before you

decide to face book the company

Just saying maybe lets be fair???

Mitch


On 9/29/2017 1:40 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:


Then your experience is the opposite of mine at Radio Shack.

We would have given the guy a new one and given him an apology.  In 
this case then, I’d still contact corporate with a link to the 
battery.  If they aren’t cooperative, I’d tell them, welcome to Facebook.


Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Reichhart
*Sent:* Friday, September 29, 2017 11:22 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fun day

Actually Rory
they will agree with store manager because store managers are always 
in contact district managers because DM have to follow company policy 
also I have seen that happen also in person and I also seen in person 
that system can automatically deny you and you can be placed on 
blacklist which that is the list you never want to be on with AZ.


There is alot of things I have seen in person what AZ doesnt allow and 
allow its crappy policy either way because DM can come into stores and 
fire everybody for not following AZ policy and DM can be also fired by 
UPPER management for not following AZ policies.




-Original Message-
From: "Rory Conaway" >

To: af@afmug.com 
Date: 09/29/17 02:15
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fun day

Re: [AFMUG] OT New Bragging Rights

2017-09-29 Thread Mathew Howard

As far as bragging rights go, swallowing molten steel is pretty impressive!

On Sep 29, 2017 4:13 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

I somehow feel your doctor does not approve of you

On Sep 29, 2017 3:45 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> For some reason Chuck Norris facts are popping into my head.
>
> David Coudron wrote:
>
>>
>> As in “I swallow molten steel and crap nails….” 
>>
>> *David Coudron*
>>
>> david.coud...@advantenon.com
>> |*Mobile: *612-991-7474
>>
>> *Advantenon, Inc. *cid:image001.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0<
>> http://www.linkedin.com/company/Advantenon>cid:image00
>> 2.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0ci
>> d:image003.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0> >cid:image004.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0
>>
>> i...@advantenon.com |3500 Vicksburg Lane N,
>> Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447
>> 
>> |www.advantenon.com |*Phone:*800-704-4720
>> |*Local: *612-454-1545
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Wilson
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 29, 2017 11:03 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New Bragging Rights
>>
>> That's gonna hurt coming out.
>>
>> On Sep 29, 2017 9:00 AM, >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Last night, my son was inside my water truck welding a spot of
>> damage.
>>
>> I was manning the ventilation equipment and making sure he was
>> alive through the process.  I could watch his progress by looking
>> up from below watching the orange glow of the steel. In one spot
>> he burned through.  A glop of molten steel dropped, bounced and
>> went right into the back of my mouth.  I instinctively swallowed.
>>
>> So, I can say I have swallowed molten steel.  (sore throat this
>> morning).
>>
>> Stay thirsty my friends.
>>
>>
>> > rce=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>Virus-free.
>> www.avg.com > rce=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
>>
>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cell phone booster

2017-09-29 Thread chuck

tnx

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 3:48 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cell phone booster

They do...we installed the previous model in cement company manager trucks, 6 
of them to extend reach on Highway 62 El Paso, Texas to Carlsbad, NM.   There 
are dead spots on road but allot less with them. We also installed Pro 70 at 
construction site with nearest tower over 14 miles away.  SureCall has some 
nice options as well.

On Sep 29, 2017 3:37 PM,  wrote:

https://cellphonesignalbooster.us/weboost-drive-sleek-3g-4g-lte-vehicle-signal-booster-wilson-470135/?utm_source=Inside+Towers+List_campaign=b3554b45a2-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_09_21_medium=email_term=0_af16c4fc22-b3554b45a2-91528485=0_af16c4fc22-b3554b45a2-91528485

  Wish someone would buy one and let me know if it really helps.

Re: [AFMUG] Power Alternatives

2017-09-29 Thread Steve Jones

I would say ginos situation exceeds pinch at this point. Alternative option
have to exclude shipped items.

Stolen generators and fuel is happening for the next 6 months minimum.

Shipping will free up a little better by the end of next week as dock
storage can be moved as more drivers and fuel become available. Traversal
paths are opening up but not like we envision.

I did just make a salt cell out of ductworks and copper wire with regular
table salt. Puts out just under a volt at .01 amp. Thats with crummy
material and a low quality electrolyte. (I heard dodge neon transmissions
have sodium in them)

On Sep 29, 2017 4:48 PM,  wrote:

> Low power output and it really gunks up your engine unless you do
> extensive filtering.
> But in a pinch, heck yes it will work.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, September 29, 2017 3:45 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Power Alternatives
>
> If you can secure your generator from theft, woodgas is a viable fuel
> alternative
>
> On Sep 29, 2017 7:32 AM, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>> Dilithium Crystals :)
>>
>>
>> On 09/28/2017 08:39 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>>
>> Diesel Supply is short, Gens and batts are being stolen at sites, I need
>> alternatives! Fuel Cells?ï¿½
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Power Alternatives

2017-09-29 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller


I sent this to Gino offline but ya'll might want to check him out.  I think I 
learned about him from another local WISP here...

http://www.indoorgenerator.com/

I think he could custom build the heck out of something for GIno


  - Original Message - 
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 4:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power Alternatives


  Low power output and it really gunks up your engine unless you do extensive 
filtering.  
  But in a pinch, heck yes it will work.  

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 3:45 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power Alternatives

  If you can secure your generator from theft, woodgas is a viable fuel 
alternative

  On Sep 29, 2017 7:32 AM, "Dave"  wrote:

Dilithium Crystals :)



On 09/28/2017 08:39 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

  Diesel Supply is short, Gens and batts are being stolen at sites, I need 
alternatives! Fuel Cells?ï¿½
ï¿½

Gino A. Villarini
   
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 






--

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cell phone booster

2017-09-29 Thread Jaime Solorza

They do...we installed the previous model in cement company manager trucks,
6 of them to extend reach on Highway 62 El Paso, Texas to Carlsbad, NM.
 There are dead spots on road but allot less with them. We also installed
Pro 70 at construction site with nearest tower over 14 miles away.
SureCall has some nice options as well.

On Sep 29, 2017 3:37 PM,  wrote:

> https://cellphonesignalbooster.us/weboost-drive-sleek-3g-4g-lte-
> vehicle-signal-booster-wilson-470135/?utm_source=Inside+
> Towers+List_campaign=b3554b45a2-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_
> 2017_09_21_medium=email_term=0_af16c4fc22-
> b3554b45a2-91528485=0_af16c4fc22-b3554b45a2-91528485
>
> Wish someone would buy one and let me know if it really helps.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Power Alternatives

2017-09-29 Thread chuck

Low power output and it really gunks up your engine unless you do extensive 
filtering.  
But in a pinch, heck yes it will work.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 3:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power Alternatives

If you can secure your generator from theft, woodgas is a viable fuel 
alternative

On Sep 29, 2017 7:32 AM, "Dave"  wrote:

  Dilithium Crystals :)

  On 09/28/2017 08:39 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

Diesel Supply is short, Gens and batts are being stolen at sites, I need 
alternatives! Fuel Cells?ï¿½
  ï¿½

  Gino A. Villarini

  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

  --

Re: [AFMUG] Power Alternatives

2017-09-29 Thread Steve Jones

If you can secure your generator from theft, woodgas is a viable fuel
alternative

On Sep 29, 2017 7:32 AM, "Dave"  wrote:

> Dilithium Crystals :)
>
>
> On 09/28/2017 08:39 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>
> Diesel Supply is short, Gens and batts are being stolen at sites, I need
> alternatives! Fuel Cells?ï¿½
>
> ï¿½
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
> --
>

[AFMUG] OT Cell phone booster

2017-09-29 Thread chuck

https://cellphonesignalbooster.us/weboost-drive-sleek-3g-4g-lte-vehicle-signal-booster-wilson-470135/?utm_source=Inside+Towers+List_campaign=b3554b45a2-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_09_21_medium=email_term=0_af16c4fc22-b3554b45a2-91528485=0_af16c4fc22-b3554b45a2-91528485

Wish someone would buy one and let me know if it really helps.

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

2017-09-29 Thread chuck

Sony VUE and Youtube TV have some kind of revenue share thing as well as a new 
customer bounty.  

I agree, I would prefer Real Choice, but I don’t want to have to have any 
servers and I don’t want to have to have a direct connection.

If it can be VPNed into our network over the public internet then it is more 
attractive.  
I was an early supporter of Real Choice.  

I am just not betting on the long term viability of any IPTV type of offering 
with the big boys entering the OTT market.

DirectTV NOW will have DVR in general release soon.  Once that happens, I have 
no need for any of the other services.

From: Layne Sisk 
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 3:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

Real Choice chose not complete with Sling, Vue or the others, they are not a 
complete TV offering.  We chose to compete with Dish, Direct, Comcast, etc.  
Some day we will have OTT as well, when it is available without blackouts and 
missing channels.  Hopefully that will be sooner rather than later.  Right now 
we have a significantly more complete offering and more importantly, you can’t 
make any money selling those other products.  Just my .02

 

Layne Sisk

ServerPlus

801.426.8283, ext 102









   

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 10:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

 

Sling, Directv Now, Vue, YouTube TV  all do this for me now.  

 

So plenty of cake out there for the eatin’

 

 

(But I am not eating carbs and sugar.  )

 

From: Dave 

Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 10:22 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

 

Weelll cant have my cake and eat it too 



On 09/29/2017 10:11 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  But I want true OTT via the open internet, not via a private connection.  

   

  From: Dave 

  Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 6:28 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

   

  Realchoice and Rodeo both have that kind of guide.



  On 09/27/2017 04:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I just signed up for the youtube tv trial.  I like that when you hit the 
plus button on a series it gives you a season pass on the series as part of the 
record option.  I don’t like the channel guide, unless I have not found it yet. 
 I like the directv style of guide.  

 

From: Roger Timmerman 

Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 2:57 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

 

Youtube TV uses chromecast (they will send you a free one after your first 
payment), IOS devices, and Chrome browser.  I watch it mostly on my Vizio TV 
that has built in chromecast or on another TV that has an Apple TV.  Basically, 
you use your phone, tablet, or PC as a super remote-control. As far as the 
interface being the best, it uses live video feeds as the thumbnail image for 
each live channel (this is super cool).  While timeline scrubbing through a 
DVR'd show, it shows you a thumbnail of where you are while you scrub, so you 
can skip ads faster than any other interface. 

 

In our market (Utah), Fox News is very popular, so this is a huge advantage 
over SlingTV.  Although we don't have an official marketing relationship with 
YoutubeTV, it essentially allows us to bundle 250Mbps Fiber Internet + 
YoutubeTV (local+network channels, 3 streams, 6 accounts) for $100/mo, or 1Gbps 
Fiber Internet plus YoutubeTV for $113/mo.  That's about $30 less than the 
non-OTT offerings which also require set top boxes, not to mention the hassle 
of dealing with local broadcast retransmission agreements and network channel 
distribution rights agreements which is far worse than dealing with the mafia.


Roger

 

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:

   

  What set top boxes can utilize YouTube tv ?

   

  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

   

  - Reply message -
  From: "Roger Timmerman" 
  To: 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
  Date: Wed, Sep 27, 2017 1:48 PM

   

  We ditched our own IPTV system a couple years back.  We still promote 3 
partner multicast IPTV systems across our network and Sling for OTT.  However, 
Youtube TV launched in our market and is way better than any other OTT system 
I've seen.  Local channels, network channels, cloud DVR and a much better user 
interface than anyone else.  It is very promising.  I think it is going to take 
the market for OTT (local broadcast and network channels) by storm.  I thought 
my TabloTV + SlingTV solution was pretty sweet but now I am only using Youtube 
TV and Netflix.  Worth checking out if available in your area. 

   

  Roger

   

  On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:

Even Comcast is jumping head first into a streaming service that will 
be able to use smart TVs and

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

2017-09-29 Thread Layne Sisk

Real Choice chose not complete with Sling, Vue or the others, they are not a 
complete TV offering.  We chose to compete with Dish, Direct, Comcast, etc.  
Some day we will have OTT as well, when it is available without blackouts and 
missing channels.  Hopefully that will be sooner rather than later.  Right now 
we have a significantly more complete offering and more importantly, you can’t 
make any money selling those other products.  Just my .02

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102
[New logo xl]
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 10:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

Sling, Directv Now, Vue, YouTube TV  all do this for me now.

So plenty of cake out there for the eatin’

(But I am not eating carbs and sugar.  )

From: Dave
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

Weelll cant have my cake and eat it too

On 09/29/2017 10:11 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
But I want true OTT via the open internet, not via a private connection.

From: Dave
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 6:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

Realchoice and Rodeo both have that kind of guide.

On 09/27/2017 04:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I just signed up for the youtube tv trial.  I like that when you hit the plus 
button on a series it gives you a season pass on the series as part of the 
record option.  I don’t like the channel guide, unless I have not found it yet. 
 I like the directv style of guide.

From: Roger Timmerman
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 2:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

Youtube TV uses chromecast (they will send you a free one after your first 
payment), IOS devices, and Chrome browser.  I watch it mostly on my Vizio TV 
that has built in chromecast or on another TV that has an Apple TV.  Basically, 
you use your phone, tablet, or PC as a super remote-control. As far as the 
interface being the best, it uses live video feeds as the thumbnail image for 
each live channel (this is super cool).  While timeline scrubbing through a 
DVR'd show, it shows you a thumbnail of where you are while you scrub, so you 
can skip ads faster than any other interface.

In our market (Utah), Fox News is very popular, so this is a huge advantage 
over SlingTV.  Although we don't have an official marketing relationship with 
YoutubeTV, it essentially allows us to bundle 250Mbps Fiber Internet + 
YoutubeTV (local+network channels, 3 streams, 6 accounts) for $100/mo, or 1Gbps 
Fiber Internet plus YoutubeTV for $113/mo.  That's about $30 less than the 
non-OTT offerings which also require set top boxes, not to mention the hassle 
of dealing with local broadcast retransmission agreements and network channel 
distribution rights agreements which is far worse than dealing with the mafia.

Roger

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:

What set top boxes can utilize YouTube tv ?

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Roger Timmerman" >
To: >
Subject: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
Date: Wed, Sep 27, 2017 1:48 PM

We ditched our own IPTV system a couple years back.  We still promote 3 partner 
multicast IPTV systems across our network and Sling for OTT.  However, Youtube 
TV launched in our market and is way better than any other OTT system I've 
seen.  Local channels, network channels, cloud DVR and a much better user 
interface than anyone else.  It is very promising.  I think it is going to take 
the market for OTT (local broadcast and network channels) by storm.  I thought 
my TabloTV + SlingTV solution was pretty sweet but now I am only using Youtube 
TV and Netflix.  Worth checking out if available in your area.

Roger

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Joe Novak 
> wrote:
Even Comcast is jumping head first into a streaming service that will be able 
to use smart TVs and Rokus as the client devices.

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcasts-New-20-Streaming-Service-Wont-Count-Against-Caps-140411

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:26 PM, > 
wrote:
IGMP IPTV is something I wasted 5 years of my life on.  Never again.

From: Chris Fabien
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

We are in process of deploying Rodeo. It's been a long process and still not 
ready

Re: [AFMUG] OT New Bragging Rights

2017-09-29 Thread Steve Jones

I somehow feel your doctor does not approve of you

On Sep 29, 2017 3:45 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> For some reason Chuck Norris facts are popping into my head.
>
> David Coudron wrote:
>
>>
>> As in “I swallow molten steel and crap nails….” 
>>
>> *David Coudron*
>>
>> david.coud...@advantenon.com
>> |*Mobile: *612-991-7474
>>
>> *Advantenon, Inc. *cid:image001.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0<
>> http://www.linkedin.com/company/Advantenon>cid:image00
>> 2.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0
>> cid:image003.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0> >cid:image004.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0
>>
>> i...@advantenon.com |3500 Vicksburg Lane N,
>> Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447 |www.advantenon.com> .advantenon.com/> |*Phone:*800-704-4720 |*Local: *612-454-1545
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Wilson
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 29, 2017 11:03 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New Bragging Rights
>>
>> That's gonna hurt coming out.
>>
>> On Sep 29, 2017 9:00 AM, >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Last night, my son was inside my water truck welding a spot of
>> damage.
>>
>> I was manning the ventilation equipment and making sure he was
>> alive through the process.  I could watch his progress by looking
>> up from below watching the orange glow of the steel. In one spot
>> he burned through.  A glop of molten steel dropped, bounced and
>> went right into the back of my mouth.  I instinctively swallowed.
>>
>> So, I can say I have swallowed molten steel.  (sore throat this
>> morning).
>>
>> Stay thirsty my friends.
>>
>>
>> > source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
>> Virus-free. www.avg.com > ature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-
>> email_content=emailclient>
>>
>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

2017-09-29 Thread Steve Jones

Redbul and vodka is amazeballs as long as its decent vodka, mix it with
gordons or the like and its caffienated paint thinner.

On Sep 29, 2017 3:58 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> Redbull has the vast majority of on-premise (bar) business.
>
> On Friday, September 29, 2017, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> RBV I enjoy, mostly for the Vegas trip...  After 2-3 Redbulls (on their
>> own) I can't stand the taste any more and yet still drink it, so
>> something's addictive about it.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure Monster is popular in bars, I'm pretty sure those little
>> fridges say Monster?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>>
>>> Redbull has that sweet tang that makes it deliciously addictive with
>>> Vodka...
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Simon Westlake 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I would agree with that. Nobody ever asks for vodka and Rockstar.

 On 9/29/2017 2:38 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

 I think Redbull contains some addictive chemical.  I used to not like
 it, but after owning bars for a few years it's grown on me.  Also, bar
 patrons don't want any energy drink other than Redbull.

 On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Simon Westlake 
 wrote:

> 
>
>
> On 9/29/2017 1:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> It's OK.  I like the sugar free red one.  Used to like the sugary red
> one but after trying the other I just can't handle it.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Simon Westlake  > wrote:
>
>> You got it, expertly reviewed here if anyone wants to read about it.
>> https://www.caffeineinformer.com/rockstar-recovery-energy-an
>> d-hydration
>>
>> On 9/29/2017 10:40 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> Lemonade if memory serves.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Simon Westlake <
>> simon@sonar.software> wrote:
>>
>>> Redbull was never my caffeine of choice, it was Rockstar!
>>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2017 8:58 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Lmao

 On Sep 26, 2017 10:29 AM, "Steve Jones" 
 wrote:

> simon has aged a bit, and moved on from redbull
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:19 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> With sonar, wispmon, and powercode, I don't understand how
>> they'll have time to maintain three code bases.
>> Obviously Simon is the superhero I always thought he was
>>
>> I'd love to see that redbull fridge now
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Simon Westlake
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:30 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode
>>
>> Countdown until I get a call from my lawyers starts now..
>>
>> On 9/26/2017 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> A dangerous prank.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

2017-09-29 Thread Jason McKemie

Redbull has the vast majority of on-premise (bar) business.

On Friday, September 29, 2017, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> RBV I enjoy, mostly for the Vegas trip...  After 2-3 Redbulls (on their
> own) I can't stand the taste any more and yet still drink it, so
> something's addictive about it.
>
> I'm pretty sure Monster is popular in bars, I'm pretty sure those little
> fridges say Monster?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Joe Novak  > wrote:
>
>> Redbull has that sweet tang that makes it deliciously addictive with
>> Vodka...
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Simon Westlake > > wrote:
>>
>>> I would agree with that. Nobody ever asks for vodka and Rockstar.
>>>
>>> On 9/29/2017 2:38 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
>>> I think Redbull contains some addictive chemical.  I used to not like
>>> it, but after owning bars for a few years it's grown on me.  Also, bar
>>> patrons don't want any energy drink other than Redbull.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Simon Westlake >> > wrote:
>>>
 


 On 9/29/2017 1:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 It's OK.  I like the sugar free red one.  Used to like the sugary red
 one but after trying the other I just can't handle it.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
 Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
 1100 Wayne St
 
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Simon Westlake > wrote:

> You got it, expertly reviewed here if anyone wants to read about it.
> https://www.caffeineinformer.com/rockstar-recovery-energy-an
> d-hydration
>
> On 9/29/2017 10:40 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Lemonade if memory serves.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Simon Westlake  > wrote:
>
>> Redbull was never my caffeine of choice, it was Rockstar!
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2017 8:58 PM, "Josh Reynolds" > > wrote:
>>
>>> Lmao
>>>
>>> On Sep 26, 2017 10:29 AM, "Steve Jones" >> > wrote:
>>>
 simon has aged a bit, and moved on from redbull


 On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:19 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
 par...@cyberbroadband.net
 > wrote:

>
> With sonar, wispmon, and powercode, I don't understand how they'll
> have time to maintain three code bases.
> Obviously Simon is the superhero I always thought he was
>
> I'd love to see that redbull fridge now
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Simon Westlake
> 
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:30 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode
>
> Countdown until I get a call from my lawyers starts now..
>
> On 9/26/2017 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> A dangerous prank.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode
>
> Hey all,
>
> Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does -
> Sonar has acquired PowerCode* (https://sonar.software/blog/2
> 017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode) and we'll be reaching out
> to all the existing

Re: [AFMUG] OT New Bragging Rights

2017-09-29 Thread Jay Weekley


For some reason Chuck Norris facts are popping into my head.

David Coudron wrote:


As in “I swallow molten steel and crap nails….” 

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*612-991-7474


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i...@advantenon.com |3500 Vicksburg Lane 
N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 
55447 |www.advantenon.com |*Phone:*800-704-4720 |*Local: 
*612-454-1545


*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Wilson
*Sent:* Friday, September 29, 2017 11:03 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New Bragging Rights

That's gonna hurt coming out.

On Sep 29, 2017 9:00 AM, > wrote:

Last night, my son was inside my water truck welding a spot of
damage.

I was manning the ventilation equipment and making sure he was
alive through the process.  I could watch his progress by looking
up from below watching the orange glow of the steel. In one spot
he burned through.  A glop of molten steel dropped, bounced and
went right into the back of my mouth.  I instinctively swallowed.

So, I can say I have swallowed molten steel.  (sore throat this
morning).

Stay thirsty my friends.


 
	Virus-free. www.avg.com 
 



<#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

2017-09-29 Thread Josh Luthman

RBV I enjoy, mostly for the Vegas trip...  After 2-3 Redbulls (on their
own) I can't stand the taste any more and yet still drink it, so
something's addictive about it.

I'm pretty sure Monster is popular in bars, I'm pretty sure those little
fridges say Monster?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:

> Redbull has that sweet tang that makes it deliciously addictive with
> Vodka...
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Simon Westlake 
> wrote:
>
>> I would agree with that. Nobody ever asks for vodka and Rockstar.
>>
>> On 9/29/2017 2:38 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> I think Redbull contains some addictive chemical.  I used to not like it,
>> but after owning bars for a few years it's grown on me.  Also, bar patrons
>> don't want any energy drink other than Redbull.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Simon Westlake 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/29/2017 1:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> It's OK.  I like the sugar free red one.  Used to like the sugary red
>>> one but after trying the other I just can't handle it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Simon Westlake 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You got it, expertly reviewed here if anyone wants to read about it.
 https://www.caffeineinformer.com/rockstar-recovery-energy-and-hydration

 On 9/29/2017 10:40 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Lemonade if memory serves.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
 Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
 1100 Wayne St

 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Simon Westlake 
 wrote:

> Redbull was never my caffeine of choice, it was Rockstar!
>
> On Sep 28, 2017 8:58 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> Lmao
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2017 10:29 AM, "Steve Jones" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> simon has aged a bit, and moved on from redbull
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:19 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>

 With sonar, wispmon, and powercode, I don't understand how they'll
 have time to maintain three code bases.
 Obviously Simon is the superhero I always thought he was

 I'd love to see that redbull fridge now

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Simon Westlake 
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:30 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

 Countdown until I get a call from my lawyers starts now..

 On 9/26/2017 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

 A dangerous prank.

 -- Original Message --
 From: ch...@wbmfg.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
 Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

 Hey all,

 Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does - Sonar
 has acquired PowerCode* (https://sonar.software/blog/2
 017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode) and we'll be reaching out
 to all the existing PowerCode customers today to discuss the transition
 process.

 We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette of
 PowerCode are both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident they are 
 both
 going to do great things. If you're currently using PowerCode, you'll
 receive a direct email shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as 
 quickly as
 we can to discuss details.

 Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar
 booth as well, so please come by and say hi!

 --
 Simon Westlake
 Email: simon@sonar.software
 Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
 ---
 Sonar Software Inc
 The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software

 * fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun for the day...

 --
 Simon Westlake
 Email: simon@sonar.software
 Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
 ---
 Sonar

Re: [AFMUG] OT New Bragging Rights

2017-09-29 Thread Jaime Solorza

Then you can definitely eat my wife's Chile Verde stew...with cheese and
homemade flour tortillas...

On Sep 29, 2017 10:00 AM,  wrote:

> Last night, my son was inside my water truck welding a spot of damage.
>
> I was manning the ventilation equipment and making sure he was alive
> through the process.  I could watch his progress by looking up from below
> watching the orange glow of the steel.  In one spot he burned through.  A
> glop of molten steel dropped, bounced and went right into the back of my
> mouth.  I instinctively swallowed.
>
> So, I can say I have swallowed molten steel.  (sore throat this morning).
>
> Stay thirsty my friends.
>

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

2017-09-29 Thread Joe Novak

Redbull has that sweet tang that makes it deliciously addictive with
Vodka...

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Simon Westlake 
wrote:

> I would agree with that. Nobody ever asks for vodka and Rockstar.
>
> On 9/29/2017 2:38 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> I think Redbull contains some addictive chemical.  I used to not like it,
> but after owning bars for a few years it's grown on me.  Also, bar patrons
> don't want any energy drink other than Redbull.
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Simon Westlake 
> wrote:
>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 9/29/2017 1:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> It's OK.  I like the sugar free red one.  Used to like the sugary red one
>> but after trying the other I just can't handle it.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Simon Westlake 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You got it, expertly reviewed here if anyone wants to read about it.
>>> https://www.caffeineinformer.com/rockstar-recovery-energy-and-hydration
>>>
>>> On 9/29/2017 10:40 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> Lemonade if memory serves.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Simon Westlake 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Redbull was never my caffeine of choice, it was Rockstar!

 On Sep 28, 2017 8:58 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Lmao
>
> On Sep 26, 2017 10:29 AM, "Steve Jones" 
> wrote:
>
>> simon has aged a bit, and moved on from redbull
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:19 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> With sonar, wispmon, and powercode, I don't understand how they'll
>>> have time to maintain three code bases.
>>> Obviously Simon is the superhero I always thought he was
>>>
>>> I'd love to see that redbull fridge now
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Simon Westlake 
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:30 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode
>>>
>>> Countdown until I get a call from my lawyers starts now..
>>>
>>> On 9/26/2017 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
>>> A dangerous prank.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does - Sonar
>>> has acquired PowerCode* (https://sonar.software/blog/2
>>> 017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode) and we'll be reaching out
>>> to all the existing PowerCode customers today to discuss the transition
>>> process.
>>>
>>> We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette of
>>> PowerCode are both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident they are 
>>> both
>>> going to do great things. If you're currently using PowerCode, you'll
>>> receive a direct email shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as 
>>> quickly as
>>> we can to discuss details.
>>>
>>> Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar
>>> booth as well, so please come by and say hi!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Simon Westlake
>>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
>>> ---
>>> Sonar Software Inc
>>> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> * fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun for the day...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Simon Westlake
>>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
>>> ---
>>> Sonar Software Inc
>>> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Simon Westlake
>>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
>>> ---
>>> Sonar Software Inc
>>> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Simon Westlake
>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
>> ---
>> Sonar Software Inc
>> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>
>>
>
> --
> Simon

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

2017-09-29 Thread Simon Westlake

I would agree with that. Nobody ever asks for vodka and Rockstar.

On 9/29/2017 2:38 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I think Redbull contains some addictive chemical. I used to not like 
it, but after owning bars for a few years it's grown on me.  Also, bar 
patrons don't want any energy drink other than Redbull.

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Simon Westlake > wrote:



On 9/29/2017 1:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

It's OK.  I like the sugar free red one.  Used to like the sugary
red one but after trying the other I just can't handle it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St

Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Simon Westlake
> wrote:

You got it, expertly reviewed here if anyone wants to read
about it.
https://www.caffeineinformer.com/rockstar-recovery-energy-and-hydration

On 9/29/2017 10:40 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Lemonade if memory serves.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St

Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Simon Westlake
> wrote:

Redbull was never my caffeine of choice, it was Rockstar!

On Sep 28, 2017 8:58 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
> wrote:

Lmao

On Sep 26, 2017 10:29 AM, "Steve Jones"
> wrote:

simon has aged a bit, and moved on from redbull

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:19 AM, CBB - Jay
Fuller > wrote:

With sonar, wispmon, and powercode, I don't
understand how they'll have time to maintain
three code bases.
Obviously Simon is the superhero I always
thought he was
I'd love to see that redbull fridge now

- Original Message -
*From:* Simon Westlake

*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:30 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired
PowerCode

Countdown until I get a call from my
lawyers starts now..

On 9/26/2017 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

A dangerous prank.

-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com

To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

Hey all,

Just wanted to get in front of this
before anyone else does - Sonar has
acquired PowerCode*

(https://sonar.software/blog/2017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode

)
and we'll be reaching out to all the
existing PowerCode customers today to
discuss the transition process.

We're very excited about this new step
- Cameron and Georgette of PowerCode
are both joining the Sonar team, and
I'm confident they are both going to
do great things. If you're currently
using PowerCode, you'll receive a
direct email shortly, and we'll be
calling everyone as quickly as we can
to discuss details.

Cameron and Georgette will both be in

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

2017-09-29 Thread Jason McKemie

I think Redbull contains some addictive chemical.  I used to not like it,
but after owning bars for a few years it's grown on me.  Also, bar patrons
don't want any energy drink other than Redbull.

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Simon Westlake 
wrote:

> 
>
>
> On 9/29/2017 1:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> It's OK.  I like the sugar free red one.  Used to like the sugary red one
> but after trying the other I just can't handle it.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Simon Westlake 
> wrote:
>
>> You got it, expertly reviewed here if anyone wants to read about it.
>> https://www.caffeineinformer.com/rockstar-recovery-energy-and-hydration
>>
>> On 9/29/2017 10:40 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> Lemonade if memory serves.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Simon Westlake 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Redbull was never my caffeine of choice, it was Rockstar!
>>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2017 8:58 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>>
 Lmao

 On Sep 26, 2017 10:29 AM, "Steve Jones" 
 wrote:

> simon has aged a bit, and moved on from redbull
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:19 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> With sonar, wispmon, and powercode, I don't understand how they'll
>> have time to maintain three code bases.
>> Obviously Simon is the superhero I always thought he was
>>
>> I'd love to see that redbull fridge now
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Simon Westlake 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:30 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode
>>
>> Countdown until I get a call from my lawyers starts now..
>>
>> On 9/26/2017 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> A dangerous prank.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does - Sonar
>> has acquired PowerCode* (https://sonar.software/blog/2
>> 017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode) and we'll be reaching out to
>> all the existing PowerCode customers today to discuss the transition
>> process.
>>
>> We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette of
>> PowerCode are both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident they are 
>> both
>> going to do great things. If you're currently using PowerCode, you'll
>> receive a direct email shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as quickly 
>> as
>> we can to discuss details.
>>
>> Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar
>> booth as well, so please come by and say hi!
>>
>> --
>> Simon Westlake
>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
>> ---
>> Sonar Software Inc
>> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>
>>
>>
>> * fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun for the day...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Simon Westlake
>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
>> ---
>> Sonar Software Inc
>> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>
>>
>
>>
>> --
>> Simon Westlake
>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
>> ---
>> Sonar Software Inc
>> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>
>>
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

2017-09-29 Thread Mike Hammett

No attachments are making it through. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Sterling Jacobson"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 2:04:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off? 



Uh, so ‘mute’ the second radio on each side in that picture? 

And then peak out the one that’s at -61 currently? 

Then turn them both back ‘un mute’? 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser 
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 12:53 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off? 


Align with single pol then turn second pol on. 



It is probably an alignment issue. Been through this before with XPIC... 
















Erich Kaiser 

North Central Tower 

er...@northcentraltower.com 

Office: 630-621-4804 

Cell: 630-777-9291 




On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net > 
wrote: 


Trying to aim up these pair of radios in XPIC and it looks like I've got a lot 
of issues. 

This is just from trying to peak one side today. 

I'll try more on the other side. 

But it also appears that I've got a huge difference between the H and V radios 
in dB. 

I mean, is a 7dB difference equivalent to like several degrees off in H/V 
rotation? 

Our people tried to rotate the radio with the given groove/slack in the radio 
mount, but didn't seem to change anything.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

2017-09-29 Thread Sterling Jacobson

Uh, so ‘mute’ the second radio on each side in that picture?

And then peak out the one that’s at -61 currently?

Then turn them both back ‘un mute’?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 12:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

Align with single pol then turn second pol on.

It is probably an alignment issue.  Been through this before with XPIC...

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
Trying to aim up these pair of radios in XPIC and it looks like I've got a lot 
of issues.

This is just from trying to peak one side today.

I'll try more on the other side.

But it also appears that I've got a huge difference between the H and V radios 
in dB.

I mean, is a 7dB difference equivalent to like several degrees off in H/V 
rotation?

Our people tried to rotate the radio with the given groove/slack in the radio 
mount, but didn't seem to change anything.

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

2017-09-29 Thread Josh Luthman

My Monster beats up your Rockstar anyways.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Simon Westlake 
wrote:

> 
>
> On 9/29/2017 1:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> It's OK.  I like the sugar free red one.  Used to like the sugary red one
> but after trying the other I just can't handle it.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Simon Westlake 
> wrote:
>
>> You got it, expertly reviewed here if anyone wants to read about it.
>> https://www.caffeineinformer.com/rockstar-recovery-energy-and-hydration
>>
>> On 9/29/2017 10:40 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> Lemonade if memory serves.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Simon Westlake 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Redbull was never my caffeine of choice, it was Rockstar!
>>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2017 8:58 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>>
 Lmao

 On Sep 26, 2017 10:29 AM, "Steve Jones" 
 wrote:

> simon has aged a bit, and moved on from redbull
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:19 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> With sonar, wispmon, and powercode, I don't understand how they'll
>> have time to maintain three code bases.
>> Obviously Simon is the superhero I always thought he was
>>
>> I'd love to see that redbull fridge now
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Simon Westlake 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:30 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode
>>
>> Countdown until I get a call from my lawyers starts now..
>>
>> On 9/26/2017 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> A dangerous prank.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does - Sonar
>> has acquired PowerCode* (https://sonar.software/blog/2
>> 017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode) and we'll be reaching out to
>> all the existing PowerCode customers today to discuss the transition
>> process.
>>
>> We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette of
>> PowerCode are both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident they are 
>> both
>> going to do great things. If you're currently using PowerCode, you'll
>> receive a direct email shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as quickly 
>> as
>> we can to discuss details.
>>
>> Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar
>> booth as well, so please come by and say hi!
>>
>> --
>> Simon Westlake
>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
>> ---
>> Sonar Software Inc
>> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>
>>
>>
>> * fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun for the day...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Simon Westlake
>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
>> ---
>> Sonar Software Inc
>> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>
>>
>
>>
>> --
>> Simon Westlake
>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
>> ---
>> Sonar Software Inc
>> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>
>>
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fun day

2017-09-29 Thread Tim Reichhart

Basically why they would even denied this battery because due to failure to 
maintain the battery heck we dont warranty starters out if they been used in 
derby.





 

-Original Message-
From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 09/29/17 02:40
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fun day


Then your experience is the opposite of mine at Radio Shack. 

We would have given the guy a new one and given him an apology.  In this case 
then, I'd still contact corporate with a link to the battery.  If they aren't 
cooperative, I'd tell them, welcome to Facebook.

 

Rory

 


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 11:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fun day


 

Actually Rory
they will agree with store manager because store managers are always in contact 
district managers because DM have to follow company policy also I have seen 
that happen also in person and I also seen in person that system can 
automatically deny you and you can be placed on blacklist which that is the 
list you never want to be on with AZ.

There is alot of things I have seen in person what AZ doesnt allow and allow 
its crappy policy either way because DM can come into stores and fire everybody 
for not following AZ policy and DM can be also fired by UPPER management for 
not following AZ policies.


-Original Message-
From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 09/29/17 02:15
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fun day

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

2017-09-29 Thread Erich Kaiser

Align with single pol then turn second pol on.

It is probably an alignment issue.  Been through this before with XPIC...


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Trying to aim up these pair of radios in XPIC and it looks like I've got a
> lot of issues.
>
> This is just from trying to peak one side today.
>
> I'll try more on the other side.
>
> But it also appears that I've got a huge difference between the H and V
> radios in dB.
>
> I mean, is a 7dB difference equivalent to like several degrees off in H/V
> rotation?
>
> Our people tried to rotate the radio with the given groove/slack in the
> radio mount, but didn't seem to change anything.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fun day

2017-09-29 Thread Rory Conaway

Then your experience is the opposite of mine at Radio Shack.

We would have given the guy a new one and given him an apology.  In this case 
then, I’d still contact corporate with a link to the battery.  If they aren’t 
cooperative, I’d tell them, welcome to Facebook.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 11:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fun day

Actually Rory
they will agree with store manager because store managers are always in contact 
district managers because DM have to follow company policy also I have seen 
that happen also in person and I also seen in person that system can 
automatically deny you and you can be placed on blacklist which that is the 
list you never want to be on with AZ.

There is alot of things I have seen in person what AZ doesnt allow and allow 
its crappy policy either way because DM can come into stores and fire everybody 
for not following AZ policy and DM can be also fired by UPPER management for 
not following AZ policies.

-Original Message-
From: "Rory Conaway" >
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 09/29/17 02:15
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fun day

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

2017-09-29 Thread Simon Westlake



On 9/29/2017 1:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
It's OK.  I like the sugar free red one.  Used to like the sugary red 
one but after trying the other I just can't handle it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Simon Westlake > wrote:

You got it, expertly reviewed here if anyone wants to read about
it.
https://www.caffeineinformer.com/rockstar-recovery-energy-and-hydration

On 9/29/2017 10:40 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Lemonade if memory serves.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St

Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Simon Westlake
> wrote:

Redbull was never my caffeine of choice, it was Rockstar!

On Sep 28, 2017 8:58 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
> wrote:

Lmao

On Sep 26, 2017 10:29 AM, "Steve Jones"
> wrote:

simon has aged a bit, and moved on from redbull

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:19 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
> wrote:

With sonar, wispmon, and powercode, I don't
understand how they'll have time to maintain
three code bases.
Obviously Simon is the superhero I always thought
he was
I'd love to see that redbull fridge now

- Original Message -
*From:* Simon Westlake

*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:30 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

Countdown until I get a call from my lawyers
starts now..

On 9/26/2017 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

A dangerous prank.

-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

Hey all,

Just wanted to get in front of this before
anyone else does - Sonar has acquired
PowerCode*

(https://sonar.software/blog/2017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode

)
and we'll be reaching out to all the
existing PowerCode customers today to
discuss the transition process.

We're very excited about this new step -
Cameron and Georgette of PowerCode are both
joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident
they are both going to do great things. If
you're currently using PowerCode, you'll
receive a direct email shortly, and we'll
be calling everyone as quickly as we can to
discuss details.

Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas
with us in the Sonar booth as well, so
please come by and say hi!
-- 
Simon Westlake

Email:simon@sonar.software
Phone:(702) 447-1247   US /(780) 
900-1180   CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

* fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun for the day...

-- 
Simon Westlake

Email:simon@sonar.software

Phone:(702) 447-1247   US /(780)

Re: [AFMUG] Fun day

2017-09-29 Thread Tim Reichhart

Actually Rory
they will agree with store manager because store managers are always in contact 
district managers because DM have to follow company policy also I have seen 
that happen also in person and I also seen in person that system can 
automatically deny you and you can be placed on blacklist which that is the 
list you never want to be on with AZ. 

There is alot of things I have seen in person what AZ doesnt allow and allow 
its crappy policy either way because DM can come into stores and fire everybody 
for not following AZ policy and DM can be also fired by UPPER management for 
not following AZ policies.

-Original Message-
From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 09/29/17 02:15
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fun day


All my cars have AutoZone batteries and technically you are correct.  However, 
if the manager refuses, I suggest contacting the District Manager.  I really 
doubt he refuses.

 

Rory

 


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fun day


 

Rory
AZ policy is store manager or parts manager haves the right to refuse any 
returns or warranties and this would be one of the warranties that AZ would 
refuse. Only it would be warranty out would be is to return the battery as 
damage and pro rate for new battery.

Tim

 

 


 


-Original Message-
From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 09/29/17 01:03
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fun day

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

2017-09-29 Thread Josh Luthman

It's OK.  I like the sugar free red one.  Used to like the sugary red one
but after trying the other I just can't handle it.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Simon Westlake 
wrote:

> You got it, expertly reviewed here if anyone wants to read about it.
> https://www.caffeineinformer.com/rockstar-recovery-energy-and-hydration
>
> On 9/29/2017 10:40 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Lemonade if memory serves.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Simon Westlake 
> wrote:
>
>> Redbull was never my caffeine of choice, it was Rockstar!
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2017 8:58 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>>> Lmao
>>>
>>> On Sep 26, 2017 10:29 AM, "Steve Jones" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 simon has aged a bit, and moved on from redbull


 On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:19 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
 par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

>
> With sonar, wispmon, and powercode, I don't understand how they'll
> have time to maintain three code bases.
> Obviously Simon is the superhero I always thought he was
>
> I'd love to see that redbull fridge now
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Simon Westlake 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:30 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode
>
> Countdown until I get a call from my lawyers starts now..
>
> On 9/26/2017 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> A dangerous prank.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode
>
> Hey all,
>
> Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does - Sonar
> has acquired PowerCode* (https://sonar.software/blog/2
> 017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode) and we'll be reaching out to
> all the existing PowerCode customers today to discuss the transition
> process.
>
> We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette of
> PowerCode are both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident they are both
> going to do great things. If you're currently using PowerCode, you'll
> receive a direct email shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as quickly 
> as
> we can to discuss details.
>
> Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar booth
> as well, so please come by and say hi!
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>
>
> * fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun for the day...
>
>
>
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>

>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

2017-09-29 Thread chuck


No, 45 degrees will drop you 3 dB
Rotation is not the problem.

2cos(45) per end

-Original Message- 
From: Sterling Jacobson

Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 11:24 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

Trying to aim up these pair of radios in XPIC and it looks like I've got a 
lot of issues.


This is just from trying to peak one side today.

I'll try more on the other side.

But it also appears that I've got a huge difference between the H and V 
radios in dB.


I mean, is a 7dB difference equivalent to like several degrees off in H/V 
rotation?


Our people tried to rotate the radio with the given groove/slack in the 
radio mount, but didn't seem to change anything.

[AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

2017-09-29 Thread Sterling Jacobson

Trying to aim up these pair of radios in XPIC and it looks like I've got a lot 
of issues.

This is just from trying to peak one side today.

I'll try more on the other side.

But it also appears that I've got a huge difference between the H and V radios 
in dB.

I mean, is a 7dB difference equivalent to like several degrees off in H/V 
rotation?

Our people tried to rotate the radio with the given groove/slack in the radio 
mount, but didn't seem to change anything.

Re: [AFMUG] Fun day

2017-09-29 Thread Robert Andrews


That didn't go hmmm  it went booo

On 09/29/2017 09:21 AM, Dave wrote:

Ok, So I went to a site this morning that had an unresponsive generator.
This is what I found..
This is something that make me go hmm...

--

Re: [AFMUG] Fun day

2017-09-29 Thread Bill Prince


Kim Jong Un!

bp


On 9/29/2017 9:40 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Looks like maybe it was one of those hydrogen explosions that we are 
always warned about but have never seen.

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

2017-09-29 Thread chuck

Sling, Directv Now, Vue, YouTube TV  all do this for me now.  

So plenty of cake out there for the eatin’

(But I am not eating carbs and sugar.  )

From: Dave 
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

Weelll cant have my cake and eat it too 

On 09/29/2017 10:11 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  But I want true OTT via the open internet, not via a private connection.  

  From: Dave 
  Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 6:28 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

  Realchoice and Rodeo both have that kind of guide.

  On 09/27/2017 04:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I just signed up for the youtube tv trial.  I like that when you hit the 
plus button on a series it gives you a season pass on the series as part of the 
record option.  I don’t like the channel guide, unless I have not found it yet. 
 I like the directv style of guide.  

From: Roger Timmerman 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 2:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

Youtube TV uses chromecast (they will send you a free one after your first 
payment), IOS devices, and Chrome browser.  I watch it mostly on my Vizio TV 
that has built in chromecast or on another TV that has an Apple TV.  Basically, 
you use your phone, tablet, or PC as a super remote-control. As far as the 
interface being the best, it uses live video feeds as the thumbnail image for 
each live channel (this is super cool).  While timeline scrubbing through a 
DVR'd show, it shows you a thumbnail of where you are while you scrub, so you 
can skip ads faster than any other interface. 

In our market (Utah), Fox News is very popular, so this is a huge advantage 
over SlingTV.  Although we don't have an official marketing relationship with 
YoutubeTV, it essentially allows us to bundle 250Mbps Fiber Internet + 
YoutubeTV (local+network channels, 3 streams, 6 accounts) for $100/mo, or 1Gbps 
Fiber Internet plus YoutubeTV for $113/mo.  That's about $30 less than the 
non-OTT offerings which also require set top boxes, not to mention the hassle 
of dealing with local broadcast retransmission agreements and network channel 
distribution rights agreements which is far worse than dealing with the mafia.

Roger

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:

  What set top boxes can utilize YouTube tv ?

  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

  - Reply message -
  From: "Roger Timmerman" 
  To: 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
  Date: Wed, Sep 27, 2017 1:48 PM

  We ditched our own IPTV system a couple years back.  We still promote 3 
partner multicast IPTV systems across our network and Sling for OTT.  However, 
Youtube TV launched in our market and is way better than any other OTT system 
I've seen.  Local channels, network channels, cloud DVR and a much better user 
interface than anyone else.  It is very promising.  I think it is going to take 
the market for OTT (local broadcast and network channels) by storm.  I thought 
my TabloTV + SlingTV solution was pretty sweet but now I am only using Youtube 
TV and Netflix.  Worth checking out if available in your area. 

  Roger

  On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:

Even Comcast is jumping head first into a streaming service that will 
be able to use smart TVs and Rokus as the client devices. 

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcasts-New-20-Streaming-Service-Wont-Count-Against-Caps-140411

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:26 PM,  wrote:

  IGMP IPTV is something I wasted 5 years of my life on.  Never again.  

  From: Chris Fabien 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:56 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

  We are in process of deploying Rodeo. It's been a long process and 
still not ready to launch. Be advised their system is true IGMP multicast and 
needs some specific network features to support that. Also will NOT handle 
packet loss or network congestion well at all. It's not like netflix where it 
goes to lower quality or buffers nicely. 

  On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Dave  wrote:

Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content 
provider are you working with?
We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution. 
Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip 
and some video with our higher tier package.

-- 

  -- 

--

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

2017-09-29 Thread Dave


Weelll cant have my cake and eat it too


On 09/29/2017 10:11 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

But I want true OTT via the open internet, not via a private connection.
*From:* Dave
*Sent:* Friday, September 29, 2017 6:28 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
Realchoice and Rodeo both have that kind of guide.


On 09/27/2017 04:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I just signed up for the youtube tv trial.  I like that when you hit 
the plus button on a series it gives you a season pass on the series 
as part of the record option.  I don’t like the channel guide, unless 
I have not found it yet.  I like the directv style of guide.

*From:* Roger Timmerman
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 2:57 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
Youtube TV uses chromecast (they will send you a free one after your 
first payment), IOS devices, and Chrome browser.  I watch it mostly 
on my Vizio TV that has built in chromecast or on another TV that has 
an Apple TV.  Basically, you use your phone, tablet, or PC as a super 
remote-control. As far as the interface being the best, it uses live 
video feeds as the thumbnail image for each live channel (this is 
super cool). While timeline scrubbing through a DVR'd show, it shows 
you a thumbnail of where you are while you scrub, so you can skip ads 
faster than any other interface.
In our market (Utah), Fox News is very popular, so this is a huge 
advantage over SlingTV.  Although we don't have an official marketing 
relationship with YoutubeTV, it essentially allows us to bundle 
250Mbps Fiber Internet + YoutubeTV (local+network channels, 3 
streams, 6 accounts) for $100/mo, or 1Gbps Fiber Internet plus 
YoutubeTV for $113/mo.  That's about $30 less than the non-OTT 
offerings which also require set top boxes, not to mention the hassle 
of dealing with local broadcast retransmission agreements and network 
channel distribution rights agreements which is far worse than 
dealing with the mafia.


Roger
On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:


What set top boxes can utilize YouTube tv ?
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
- Reply message -
From: "Roger Timmerman" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
Date: Wed, Sep 27, 2017 1:48 PM
We ditched our own IPTV system a couple years back.  We still
promote 3 partner multicast IPTV systems across our network and
Sling for OTT. However, Youtube TV launched in our market and is
way better than any other OTT system I've seen.  Local channels,
network channels, cloud DVR and a much better user interface than
anyone else. It is very promising.  I think it is going to take
the market for OTT (local broadcast and network channels) by
storm.  I thought my TabloTV + SlingTV solution was pretty sweet
but now I am only using Youtube TV and Netflix. Worth checking
out if available in your area.
Roger
On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Joe Novak 
wrote:

Even Comcast is jumping head first into a streaming service
that will be able to use smart TVs and Rokus as the client
devices.

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcasts-New-20-Streaming-Service-Wont-Count-Against-Caps-140411


On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:26 PM,  wrote:

IGMP IPTV is something I wasted 5 years of my life on. 
Never again.
*From:* Chris Fabien
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:56 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
We are in process of deploying Rodeo. It's been a long
process and still not ready to launch. Be advised their
system is true IGMP multicast and needs some specific
network features to support that. Also will NOT handle
packet loss or network congestion well at all. It's not
like netflix where it goes to lower quality or buffers
nicely.
On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Dave
 wrote:

Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
If so, What are some issues you deal with and which
content provider are you working with?
We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this
solution.
Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to
provide voip and some video with our higher tier package.


-- 



--


--

Re: [AFMUG] OT New Bragging Rights

2017-09-29 Thread David Coudron

As in “I swallow molten steel and crap nails….”  



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612-991-7474

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason Wilson
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 11:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New Bragging Rights

That's gonna hurt coming out.

On Sep 29, 2017 9:00 AM, > wrote:
Last night, my son was inside my water truck welding a spot of damage.

I was manning the ventilation equipment and making sure he was alive through 
the process.  I could watch his progress by looking up from below watching the 
orange glow of the steel.  In one spot he burned through.  A glop of molten 
steel dropped, bounced and went right into the back of my mouth.  I 
instinctively swallowed.

So, I can say I have swallowed molten steel.  (sore throat this morning).

Stay thirsty my friends.

Re: [AFMUG] OT New Bragging Rights

2017-09-29 Thread Jason Wilson

That's gonna hurt coming out.

On Sep 29, 2017 9:00 AM,  wrote:

> Last night, my son was inside my water truck welding a spot of damage.
>
> I was manning the ventilation equipment and making sure he was alive
> through the process.  I could watch his progress by looking up from below
> watching the orange glow of the steel.  In one spot he burned through.  A
> glop of molten steel dropped, bounced and went right into the back of my
> mouth.  I instinctively swallowed.
>
> So, I can say I have swallowed molten steel.  (sore throat this morning).
>
> Stay thirsty my friends.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-29 Thread Josh Reynolds

IPTV delivery over fixed antenna cellular.

On Sep 29, 2017 10:34 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> For what?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, September 29, 2017 10:33:10 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?
>
> They have been working on the fixed CPEs and set top boxes for this for
> YEARS.
>
> On Sep 29, 2017 10:30 AM, "Christopher Tyler" 
> wrote:
>
>> Not to mention the PR nightmare if anyone found out they were doing that.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher Tyler
>> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
>> Total Highspeed Internet Services
>> 417.851.1107
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mathew Howard" 
>> To: "af" 
>> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 10:22:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?
>>
>> Well, if that's what they want to do... all I can say is, good luck with
>> that!
>> I realize AT the only option in a lot of areas, but anywhere that they
>> have any real competition (whether that be cable, local fiber providers or
>> even WISPs), I can't see how that wouldn't cost them a lot of business.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Dennis Burgess 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Of course they want to slow “rivals content” they own DirectTV J lol.
>> No
>> > more dish, cbs all access or Netflix on ATT circuits J
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>> >
>> > MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>> >  –
>> > MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>> >
>> > Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>> >
>> > Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>> >
>> > E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>> > *Sent:* Friday, September 29, 2017 7:37 AM
>> >
>> > *To:* af@afmug.com
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Oh look...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > AT Inc. and other broadband providers asked the U.S. Supreme Court to
>> > overturn the Obama-era "net neutrality" rule barring internet service
>> > providers from slowing or blocking rivals’ content.
>> >
>> > The appeals, filed Thursday, will put new pressure on a rule enacted in
>> > 2015 when the Federal Communications Commission was under Democratic
>> > control. Filing a separate appeal from AT were the United States
>> Telecom
>> > Association, a trade group, and broadband service provider CenturyLink
>> Inc.
>> >
>> > ---
>> >
>> > Ignoring the bias in the reporting (Bloomberg), it's interesting that
>> the
>> > challenge is coming from Telecom. I wonder how much pressure they
>> actually
>> > feel from regional fiber companies and WISPs since they(telco) no longer
>> > have as much of a protected status as they used to. Landline has largely
>> > gone the way of the dino, the ROW was opened, discussions of rural
>> > broadband experiments and funds for non-telco have been brought up, and
>> the
>> > FCC has increasingly had contact from WISPA.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sep 28, 2017 9:43 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>> >
>> > Which is a point I've already made.
>> >
>> > If you can get access without any particular designation, but by just
>> > asking, great.
>> > If above fails, get your CLEC and do it again, only now they  have to
>> let
>> > you in unless there's a documented reason why not (not enough room,
>> etc.).
>> > Don't depend on BIAS which is rather volatile.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -
>> > Mike Hammett
>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > The Brothers WISP 
>> >

[AFMUG] OT New Bragging Rights

2017-09-29 Thread chuck

Last night, my son was inside my water truck welding a spot of damage.  

I was manning the ventilation equipment and making sure he was alive through 
the process.  I could watch his progress by looking up from below watching the 
orange glow of the steel.  In one spot he burned through.  A glop of molten 
steel dropped, bounced and went right into the back of my mouth.  I 
instinctively swallowed.  

So, I can say I have swallowed molten steel.  (sore throat this morning).

Stay thirsty my friends.

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

2017-09-29 Thread Simon Westlake

You got it, expertly reviewed here if anyone wants to read about it. 
https://www.caffeineinformer.com/rockstar-recovery-energy-and-hydration

On 9/29/2017 10:40 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Lemonade if memory serves.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Simon Westlake > wrote:

Redbull was never my caffeine of choice, it was Rockstar!

On Sep 28, 2017 8:58 PM, "Josh Reynolds" > wrote:

Lmao

On Sep 26, 2017 10:29 AM, "Steve Jones"
>
wrote:

simon has aged a bit, and moved on from redbull

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:19 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
> wrote:

With sonar, wispmon, and powercode, I don't understand
how they'll have time to maintain three code bases.
Obviously Simon is the superhero I always thought he
was
I'd love to see that redbull fridge now

- Original Message -
*From:* Simon Westlake 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:30 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

Countdown until I get a call from my lawyers
starts now..

On 9/26/2017 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

A dangerous prank.

-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

Hey all,

Just wanted to get in front of this before
anyone else does - Sonar has acquired PowerCode*

(https://sonar.software/blog/2017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode

)
and we'll be reaching out to all the existing
PowerCode customers today to discuss the
transition process.

We're very excited about this new step - Cameron
and Georgette of PowerCode are both joining the
Sonar team, and I'm confident they are both
going to do great things. If you're currently
using PowerCode, you'll receive a direct email
shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as
quickly as we can to discuss details.

Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with
us in the Sonar booth as well, so please come by
and say hi!
-- 
Simon Westlake

Email:simon@sonar.software
Phone:(702) 447-1247   US /(780) 
900-1180   CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

* fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun for the day...

-- 
Simon Westlake

Email:simon@sonar.software 
Phone:(702) 447-1247   US /(780) 
900-1180   CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

--
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

2017-09-29 Thread Josh Luthman

Lemonade if memory serves.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Simon Westlake 
wrote:

> Redbull was never my caffeine of choice, it was Rockstar!
>
> On Sep 28, 2017 8:58 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> Lmao
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2017 10:29 AM, "Steve Jones" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> simon has aged a bit, and moved on from redbull
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:19 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>

 With sonar, wispmon, and powercode, I don't understand how they'll have
 time to maintain three code bases.
 Obviously Simon is the superhero I always thought he was

 I'd love to see that redbull fridge now

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Simon Westlake 
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:30 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

 Countdown until I get a call from my lawyers starts now..

 On 9/26/2017 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

 A dangerous prank.

 -- Original Message --
 From: ch...@wbmfg.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
 Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

 Hey all,

 Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does - Sonar has
 acquired PowerCode* (https://sonar.software/blog/2
 017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode) and we'll be reaching out to
 all the existing PowerCode customers today to discuss the transition
 process.

 We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette of
 PowerCode are both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident they are both
 going to do great things. If you're currently using PowerCode, you'll
 receive a direct email shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as quickly as
 we can to discuss details.

 Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar booth
 as well, so please come by and say hi!

 --
 Simon Westlake
 Email: simon@sonar.software
 Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
 ---
 Sonar Software Inc
 The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software

 * fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun for the day...

 --
 Simon Westlake
 Email: simon@sonar.software
 Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
 ---
 Sonar Software Inc
 The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software

>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-29 Thread Mike Hammett

For what? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 10:33:10 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? 


They have been working on the fixed CPEs and set top boxes for this for YEARS. 


On Sep 29, 2017 10:30 AM, "Christopher Tyler" < ch...@totalhighspeed.net > 
wrote: 


Not to mention the PR nightmare if anyone found out they were doing that. 

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mathew Howard" < mhoward...@gmail.com > 
To: "af" < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 10:22:38 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? 

Well, if that's what they want to do... all I can say is, good luck with 
that! 
I realize AT the only option in a lot of areas, but anywhere that they 
have any real competition (whether that be cable, local fiber providers or 
even WISPs), I can't see how that wouldn't cost them a lot of business. 


On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Dennis Burgess < dmburg...@linktechs.net > 
wrote: 

> Of course they want to slow “rivals content” they own DirectTV J lol. No 
> more dish, cbs all access or Netflix on ATT circuits J 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant * 
> 
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant 
> < http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=5 > – 
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE 
> 
> 
> 
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net 
> 
> Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 
> 
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270> 
> 
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds 
> *Sent:* Friday, September 29, 2017 7:37 AM 
> 
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? 
> 
> 
> 
> Oh look... 
> 
> 
> 
> AT Inc. and other broadband providers asked the U.S. Supreme Court to 
> overturn the Obama-era "net neutrality" rule barring internet service 
> providers from slowing or blocking rivals’ content. 
> 
> The appeals, filed Thursday, will put new pressure on a rule enacted in 
> 2015 when the Federal Communications Commission was under Democratic 
> control. Filing a separate appeal from AT were the United States Telecom 
> Association, a trade group, and broadband service provider CenturyLink Inc. 
> 
> --- 
> 
> Ignoring the bias in the reporting (Bloomberg), it's interesting that the 
> challenge is coming from Telecom. I wonder how much pressure they actually 
> feel from regional fiber companies and WISPs since they(telco) no longer 
> have as much of a protected status as they used to. Landline has largely 
> gone the way of the dino, the ROW was opened, discussions of rural 
> broadband experiments and funds for non-telco have been brought up, and the 
> FCC has increasingly had contact from WISPA. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 28, 2017 9:43 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 
> 
> Which is a point I've already made. 
> 
> If you can get access without any particular designation, but by just 
> asking, great. 
> If above fails, get your CLEC and do it again, only now they have to let 
> you in unless there's a documented reason why not (not enough room, etc.). 
> Don't depend on BIAS which is rather volatile. 
> 
> 
> 
> - 
> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions < http://www.ics-il.com/ > 
> < https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL > 
> < https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb > 
> < https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions > 
> < https://twitter.com/ICSIL > 
> Midwest Internet Exchange < http://www.midwest-ix.com/ > 
> < https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix > 
> < https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange > 
> < https://twitter.com/mdwestix > 
> The Brothers WISP < http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ > 
> < https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp > 
> 
> 
> < https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg > 
> -- 
> 
> *From: * ch...@wbmfg.com 
> *To: * af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:22:48 PM 
> 
> 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? 
> 
> If they don’t know BIAS is not really in play then once you get the permit 
> you are golden. 
> 
> Cell phone providers are not CLECs and they get in all the same ROWs as 
> the CLECS and ILECS. 
> 
> 
> 
> I have never ever had a permitting agency ask me how I had the right to 
> ask for access. 
> 
> 
> 
> Moreover, crossing federal public lands, they cannot even charge you 
> rent. That is by act of congress. And that applies to every person on 
> this list. 
> 
> 
> 
> They just want drawings and money. 
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* Mike Hammett 
> 
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-29 Thread Josh Reynolds

They have been working on the fixed CPEs and set top boxes for this for
YEARS.

On Sep 29, 2017 10:30 AM, "Christopher Tyler" 
wrote:

> Not to mention the PR nightmare if anyone found out they were doing that.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mathew Howard" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 10:22:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?
>
> Well, if that's what they want to do... all I can say is, good luck with
> that!
> I realize AT the only option in a lot of areas, but anywhere that they
> have any real competition (whether that be cable, local fiber providers or
> even WISPs), I can't see how that wouldn't cost them a lot of business.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
> > Of course they want to slow “rivals content” they own DirectTV J lol.  No
> > more dish, cbs all access or Netflix on ATT circuits J
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
> >
> > MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
> >  –
> > MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
> >
> >
> >
> > For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
> >
> > Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
> >
> > Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
> >
> > E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> > *Sent:* Friday, September 29, 2017 7:37 AM
> >
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh look...
> >
> >
> >
> > AT Inc. and other broadband providers asked the U.S. Supreme Court to
> > overturn the Obama-era "net neutrality" rule barring internet service
> > providers from slowing or blocking rivals’ content.
> >
> > The appeals, filed Thursday, will put new pressure on a rule enacted in
> > 2015 when the Federal Communications Commission was under Democratic
> > control. Filing a separate appeal from AT were the United States
> Telecom
> > Association, a trade group, and broadband service provider CenturyLink
> Inc.
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Ignoring the bias in the reporting (Bloomberg), it's interesting that the
> > challenge is coming from Telecom. I wonder how much pressure they
> actually
> > feel from regional fiber companies and WISPs since they(telco) no longer
> > have as much of a protected status as they used to. Landline has largely
> > gone the way of the dino, the ROW was opened, discussions of rural
> > broadband experiments and funds for non-telco have been brought up, and
> the
> > FCC has increasingly had contact from WISPA.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sep 28, 2017 9:43 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
> >
> > Which is a point I've already made.
> >
> > If you can get access without any particular designation, but by just
> > asking, great.
> > If above fails, get your CLEC and do it again, only now they  have to let
> > you in unless there's a documented reason why not (not enough room,
> etc.).
> > Don't depend on BIAS which is rather volatile.
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Midwest Internet Exchange 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The Brothers WISP 
> > 
> >
> >
> > 
> > --
> >
> > *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> > *To: *af@afmug.com
> > *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:22:48 PM
> >
> >
> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?
> >
> > If they don’t know BIAS is not really in play then once you get the
> permit
> > you are golden.
> >
> > Cell phone providers are not CLECs and they get in all the same ROWs as
> > the CLECS and ILECS.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have never ever had a permitting agency ask me how I had the right to
> > ask for access.
> >
> >
> >
> > Moreover, crossing federal public lands, they cannot even charge you
> > rent.  That is by act of congress.  And that applies to every person on
> > this list.
> >
> >
> >
> > They just want drawings and money.
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Mike Hammett
> >
> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 12:16 PM
> >
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?
> >
> >
> >
> > Which is a point I've already made.
> >
> > If you can get access without any

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-29 Thread Christopher Tyler

Not to mention the PR nightmare if anyone found out they were doing that.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 10:22:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

Well, if that's what they want to do... all I can say is, good luck with
that!
I realize AT the only option in a lot of areas, but anywhere that they
have any real competition (whether that be cable, local fiber providers or
even WISPs), I can't see how that wouldn't cost them a lot of business.


On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Dennis Burgess 
wrote:

> Of course they want to slow “rivals content” they own DirectTV J lol.  No
> more dish, cbs all access or Netflix on ATT circuits J
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, September 29, 2017 7:37 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?
>
>
>
> Oh look...
>
>
>
> AT Inc. and other broadband providers asked the U.S. Supreme Court to
> overturn the Obama-era "net neutrality" rule barring internet service
> providers from slowing or blocking rivals’ content.
>
> The appeals, filed Thursday, will put new pressure on a rule enacted in
> 2015 when the Federal Communications Commission was under Democratic
> control. Filing a separate appeal from AT were the United States Telecom
> Association, a trade group, and broadband service provider CenturyLink Inc.
>
> ---
>
> Ignoring the bias in the reporting (Bloomberg), it's interesting that the
> challenge is coming from Telecom. I wonder how much pressure they actually
> feel from regional fiber companies and WISPs since they(telco) no longer
> have as much of a protected status as they used to. Landline has largely
> gone the way of the dino, the ROW was opened, discussions of rural
> broadband experiments and funds for non-telco have been brought up, and the
> FCC has increasingly had contact from WISPA.
>
>
>
> On Sep 28, 2017 9:43 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
> Which is a point I've already made.
>
> If you can get access without any particular designation, but by just
> asking, great.
> If above fails, get your CLEC and do it again, only now they  have to let
> you in unless there's a documented reason why not (not enough room, etc.).
> Don't depend on BIAS which is rather volatile.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:22:48 PM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?
>
> If they don’t know BIAS is not really in play then once you get the permit
> you are golden.
>
> Cell phone providers are not CLECs and they get in all the same ROWs as
> the CLECS and ILECS.
>
>
>
> I have never ever had a permitting agency ask me how I had the right to
> ask for access.
>
>
>
> Moreover, crossing federal public lands, they cannot even charge you
> rent.  That is by act of congress.  And that applies to every person on
> this list.
>
>
>
> They just want drawings and money.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 12:16 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?
>
>
>
> Which is a point I've already made.
>
> If you can get access without any particular designation, but by just
> asking, great.
> If above fails, get your CLEC and do it again, only now they  have to let
> you in unless there's a documented reason why not (not enough room, etc.).
> Don't depend on BIAS which is rather volatile.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

2017-09-29 Thread chuck

But I want true OTT via the open internet, not via a private connection.  

From: Dave 
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 6:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

Realchoice and Rodeo both have that kind of guide.

On 09/27/2017 04:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I just signed up for the youtube tv trial.  I like that when you hit the plus 
button on a series it gives you a season pass on the series as part of the 
record option.  I don’t like the channel guide, unless I have not found it yet. 
 I like the directv style of guide.  

  From: Roger Timmerman 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 2:57 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

  Youtube TV uses chromecast (they will send you a free one after your first 
payment), IOS devices, and Chrome browser.  I watch it mostly on my Vizio TV 
that has built in chromecast or on another TV that has an Apple TV.  Basically, 
you use your phone, tablet, or PC as a super remote-control. As far as the 
interface being the best, it uses live video feeds as the thumbnail image for 
each live channel (this is super cool).  While timeline scrubbing through a 
DVR'd show, it shows you a thumbnail of where you are while you scrub, so you 
can skip ads faster than any other interface. 

  In our market (Utah), Fox News is very popular, so this is a huge advantage 
over SlingTV.  Although we don't have an official marketing relationship with 
YoutubeTV, it essentially allows us to bundle 250Mbps Fiber Internet + 
YoutubeTV (local+network channels, 3 streams, 6 accounts) for $100/mo, or 1Gbps 
Fiber Internet plus YoutubeTV for $113/mo.  That's about $30 less than the 
non-OTT offerings which also require set top boxes, not to mention the hassle 
of dealing with local broadcast retransmission agreements and network channel 
distribution rights agreements which is far worse than dealing with the mafia.

  Roger

  On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:

What set top boxes can utilize YouTube tv ?

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Roger Timmerman" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
Date: Wed, Sep 27, 2017 1:48 PM

We ditched our own IPTV system a couple years back.  We still promote 3 
partner multicast IPTV systems across our network and Sling for OTT.  However, 
Youtube TV launched in our market and is way better than any other OTT system 
I've seen.  Local channels, network channels, cloud DVR and a much better user 
interface than anyone else.  It is very promising.  I think it is going to take 
the market for OTT (local broadcast and network channels) by storm.  I thought 
my TabloTV + SlingTV solution was pretty sweet but now I am only using Youtube 
TV and Netflix.  Worth checking out if available in your area. 

Roger

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:

  Even Comcast is jumping head first into a streaming service that will be 
able to use smart TVs and Rokus as the client devices. 

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcasts-New-20-Streaming-Service-Wont-Count-Against-Caps-140411

  On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:26 PM,  wrote:

IGMP IPTV is something I wasted 5 years of my life on.  Never again.  

From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

We are in process of deploying Rodeo. It's been a long process and 
still not ready to launch. Be advised their system is true IGMP multicast and 
needs some specific network features to support that. Also will NOT handle 
packet loss or network congestion well at all. It's not like netflix where it 
goes to lower quality or buffers nicely. 

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Dave  wrote:

  Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
  If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider 
are you working with?
  We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution. 
  Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and 
some video with our higher tier package.

  -- 

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Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

2017-09-29 Thread Josh Reynolds

=)

On Sep 28, 2017 11:34 PM, "Simon Westlake"  wrote:

> Redbull was never my caffeine of choice, it was Rockstar!
>
> On Sep 28, 2017 8:58 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> Lmao
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2017 10:29 AM, "Steve Jones" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> simon has aged a bit, and moved on from redbull
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:19 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>

 With sonar, wispmon, and powercode, I don't understand how they'll have
 time to maintain three code bases.
 Obviously Simon is the superhero I always thought he was

 I'd love to see that redbull fridge now

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Simon Westlake 
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:30 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

 Countdown until I get a call from my lawyers starts now..

 On 9/26/2017 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

 A dangerous prank.

 -- Original Message --
 From: ch...@wbmfg.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
 Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

 Hey all,

 Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does - Sonar has
 acquired PowerCode* (https://sonar.software/blog/2
 017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode) and we'll be reaching out to
 all the existing PowerCode customers today to discuss the transition
 process.

 We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette of
 PowerCode are both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident they are both
 going to do great things. If you're currently using PowerCode, you'll
 receive a direct email shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as quickly as
 we can to discuss details.

 Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar booth
 as well, so please come by and say hi!

 --
 Simon Westlake
 Email: simon@sonar.software
 Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
 ---
 Sonar Software Inc
 The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software

 * fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun for the day...

 --
 Simon Westlake
 Email: simon@sonar.software
 Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
 ---
 Sonar Software Inc
 The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software

>>>

[AFMUG] Friday for sale: new Ignitenet 60ghz ptp

2017-09-29 Thread Jon Langeler

eBay: 
182795792840

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-29 Thread Dennis Burgess

Of course they want to slow “rivals content” they own DirectTV ☺ lol.  No more 
dish, cbs all access or Netflix on ATT circuits ☺


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 7:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

Oh look...


AT Inc. and other broadband providers asked the U.S. Supreme Court to 
overturn the Obama-era "net neutrality" rule barring internet service providers 
from slowing or blocking rivals’ content.

The appeals, filed Thursday, will put new pressure on a rule enacted in 2015 
when the Federal Communications Commission was under Democratic control. Filing 
a separate appeal from AT were the United States Telecom Association, a trade 
group, and broadband service provider CenturyLink Inc.

---

Ignoring the bias in the reporting (Bloomberg), it's interesting that the 
challenge is coming from Telecom. I wonder how much pressure they actually feel 
from regional fiber companies and WISPs since they(telco) no longer have as 
much of a protected status as they used to. Landline has largely gone the way 
of the dino, the ROW was opened, discussions of rural broadband experiments and 
funds for non-telco have been brought up, and the FCC has increasingly had 
contact from WISPA.

On Sep 28, 2017 9:43 PM, "Mike Hammett" 
> wrote:
Which is a point I've already made.

If you can get access without any particular designation, but by just asking, 
great.
If above fails, get your CLEC and do it again, only now they  have to let you 
in unless there's a documented reason why not (not enough room, etc.).
Don't depend on BIAS which is rather volatile.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:22:48 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?
If they don’t know BIAS is not really in play then once you get the permit you 
are golden.
Cell phone providers are not CLECs and they get in all the same ROWs as the 
CLECS and ILECS.

I have never ever had a permitting agency ask me how I had the right to ask for 
access.

Moreover, crossing federal public lands, they cannot even charge you rent.  
That is by act of congress.  And that applies to every person on this list.

They just want drawings and money.

From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 12:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

Which is a point I've already made.

If you can get access without any particular designation, but by just asking, 
great.
If above fails, get your CLEC and do it again, only now they  have to let you 
in unless there's a documented reason why not (not enough room, etc.).
Don't depend on BIAS which is rather volatile.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Midwest Internet Exchange

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-29 Thread Josh Reynolds

Oh look...

AT Inc. and other broadband providers asked the U.S. Supreme Court to
overturn the Obama-era "net neutrality" rule barring internet service
providers from slowing or blocking rivals’ content.

The appeals, filed Thursday, will put new pressure on a rule enacted in
2015 when the Federal Communications Commission was under Democratic
control. Filing a separate appeal from AT were the United States Telecom
Association, a trade group, and broadband service provider CenturyLink Inc.

---

Ignoring the bias in the reporting (Bloomberg), it's interesting that the
challenge is coming from Telecom. I wonder how much pressure they actually
feel from regional fiber companies and WISPs since they(telco) no longer
have as much of a protected status as they used to. Landline has largely
gone the way of the dino, the ROW was opened, discussions of rural
broadband experiments and funds for non-telco have been brought up, and the
FCC has increasingly had contact from WISPA.

On Sep 28, 2017 9:43 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

Which is a point I've already made.

If you can get access without any particular designation, but by just
asking, great.
If above fails, get your CLEC and do it again, only now they  have to let
you in unless there's a documented reason why not (not enough room, etc.).
Don't depend on BIAS which is rather volatile.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 




Midwest Internet Exchange 



The Brothers WISP 




--
*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:22:48 PM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

If they don’t know BIAS is not really in play then once you get the permit
you are golden.
Cell phone providers are not CLECs and they get in all the same ROWs as the
CLECS and ILECS.

I have never ever had a permitting agency ask me how I had the right to ask
for access.

Moreover, crossing federal public lands, they cannot even charge you rent.
That is by act of congress.  And that applies to every person on this
list.

They just want drawings and money.

*From:* Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 12:16 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

Which is a point I've already made.

If you can get access without any particular designation, but by just
asking, great.
If above fails, get your CLEC and do it again, only now they  have to let
you in unless there's a documented reason why not (not enough room, etc.).
Don't depend on BIAS which is rather volatile.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 




Midwest Internet Exchange 



The Brothers WISP 




--
*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 12:57:41 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

No, I don’t have a CLEC for the non reg stuff.

You always have to get permission from the property owner, it may be a
public street but the city still has to grant an excavation or together
permit.

Many times there is a public utility easement around private property that
you can occupy.

The FCC made all BIAS providers public utilities in spirit.  While that
particular document may no longer be in effect, you can still point to the
language and use it.  If you get the permit you are golden.  None of this
requires a CLEC.

*From:* Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:04 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

But if you have a CLEC you *CAN* place it there. If I don't have a CLEC I
*MAY* place it there... if whomever owns that easement or property allows
me to.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 




Midwest Internet Exchange

Re: [AFMUG] Power Alternatives

2017-09-29 Thread Dave


Dilithium Crystals :)


On 09/28/2017 08:39 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
Diesel Supply is short, Gens and batts are being stolen at sites, I 
need alternatives! Fuel Cells?


*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



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Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

2017-09-29 Thread Dave

This is why we are looking at realchoice or rodeo.
Both have good concepts of delivery and offer whitelabel as well and all 
you want in channel line up including locals.

On 09/28/2017 07:09 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Agreed.

Disney, CBS, etc.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

*From: *"Seth Mattinen" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, September 27, 2017 7:46:22 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

On 9/27/17 2:52 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> There is going to be a tipping point where all the big networks have to
> start selling OTT, or lose customers. A few networks are already doing
> it, such as HBO.

It's starting to get annoying though where everyone is starting to offer
their own online streaming service and pulling their content from other
services.

~Seth

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Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

2017-09-29 Thread Dave


Realchoice and Rodeo both have that kind of guide.


On 09/27/2017 04:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I just signed up for the youtube tv trial.  I like that when you hit 
the plus button on a series it gives you a season pass on the series 
as part of the record option.  I don’t like the channel guide, unless 
I have not found it yet.  I like the directv style of guide.

*From:* Roger Timmerman
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 2:57 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
Youtube TV uses chromecast (they will send you a free one after your 
first payment), IOS devices, and Chrome browser.  I watch it mostly on 
my Vizio TV that has built in chromecast or on another TV that has an 
Apple TV.  Basically, you use your phone, tablet, or PC as a super 
remote-control. As far as the interface being the best, it uses live 
video feeds as the thumbnail image for each live channel (this is 
super cool).  While timeline scrubbing through a DVR'd show, it shows 
you a thumbnail of where you are while you scrub, so you can skip ads 
faster than any other interface.
In our market (Utah), Fox News is very popular, so this is a huge 
advantage over SlingTV.  Although we don't have an official marketing 
relationship with YoutubeTV, it essentially allows us to bundle 
250Mbps Fiber Internet + YoutubeTV (local+network channels, 3 streams, 
6 accounts) for $100/mo, or 1Gbps Fiber Internet plus YoutubeTV for 
$113/mo.  That's about $30 less than the non-OTT offerings which also 
require set top boxes, not to mention the hassle of dealing with local 
broadcast retransmission agreements and network channel distribution 
rights agreements which is far worse than dealing with the mafia.


Roger
On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:


What set top boxes can utilize YouTube tv ?
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
- Reply message -
From: "Roger Timmerman" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
Date: Wed, Sep 27, 2017 1:48 PM
We ditched our own IPTV system a couple years back.  We still
promote 3 partner multicast IPTV systems across our network and
Sling for OTT.  However, Youtube TV launched in our market and is
way better than any other OTT system I've seen.  Local channels,
network channels, cloud DVR and a much better user interface than
anyone else.  It is very promising.  I think it is going to take
the market for OTT (local broadcast and network channels) by
storm.  I thought my TabloTV + SlingTV solution was pretty sweet
but now I am only using Youtube TV and Netflix.  Worth checking
out if available in your area.
Roger
On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:

Even Comcast is jumping head first into a streaming service
that will be able to use smart TVs and Rokus as the client
devices.

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcasts-New-20-Streaming-Service-Wont-Count-Against-Caps-140411


On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:26 PM,  wrote:

IGMP IPTV is something I wasted 5 years of my life on. 
Never again.
*From:* Chris Fabien
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:56 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
We are in process of deploying Rodeo. It's been a long
process and still not ready to launch. Be advised their
system is true IGMP multicast and needs some specific
network features to support that. Also will NOT handle
packet loss or network congestion well at all. It's not
like netflix where it goes to lower quality or buffers
nicely.
On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Dave
 wrote:

Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
If so, What are some issues you deal with and which
content provider are you working with?
We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this
solution.
Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to
provide voip and some video with our higher tier package.


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