Re: [AFMUG] CCS 60ghz PTMP AP and Sub pic from MWC -

[Brett A Mansfield]

Wow, I want these. Are they available yet?

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Mar 1, 2018, at 11:19 PM, Jason McKemie  
> wrote:
> 
> http://www.ccsl.com/media/uploads/files/metnet60ghz-product-specification-v4.pdf
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:03 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>> Siklu? Link to PDF? Nothing published yet?
>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Gino A. Villarini  
>>> wrote:
>>> Thanks to Andreas for the pic
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> 
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 

[AFMUG] [OT] outbound ACH

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I on a somewhat regular basis (several times a year) need to be able to
originate a US ACH payment to a vendor.   My bank charges way too much in
my opinion for this functionality, and it's a pain since we have to fill
out forms and send them to them and they enter the data manually, and on
and on.  More and more vendors we deal with don't want to deal with
Cash/Check and many won't accept credit card payments, and of course they
can't originate (pull) the payment either.

I've been hoping to find a bank and/or service provider which would allow
me to just enter ACH transfer information online and have it happen for a
reasonable fee.  I'm open to various options, including opening an account
with a bank (assuming that is permitted based on our location in Montana),
or using some other reasonable option.

So far, the only solutions I've found are either prohibitively expensive,
or require something we can't provide (i.e. some cash management products
require a minimum balance commitment or a very large monthly fee).

Anyone come across something which might fit the bill?

-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Introduction

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Welcome! 

Sent from my smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Jon Lee" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Introduction
Date: Thu, Mar 1, 2018 9:43 PM

Evening all, 
I have been lurking in the shadows for the past couple of weeks. 

Just wanted to introduce myself and say that the amount of knowledge gained 
over that time alone (and reading some of the archives) has been helpful. 

I will try to contribute where I can, (fairly new in the space). My background 
in tech started in the USMC as a 7236 (Air Control Electronics Operator) 
basically a network guy, and now I manage a WISP in the Prescott, AZ area. I 
recently started my own company that will focus outside of the area that I 
manage. 

Looking forward to growing and gaining knowledge in the community. 

Thanks!
-Jon 

-- 
Jon LeeOff-Grid Networks
c.928.793.2972

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5 optimal config

[Colin Stanners]

 With the lower gain of those antennas I think 9 miles is a bit far if
interference rears its head. For speed, since it seems he's getting the
required signal and little noise, check out this table:
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/AF5-Distance-Throughput-Chart-Community-Maintained-47-dBm-EIRP/td-p/868782
.

>From that table, his results are much less than expected, please get
screenshots from him (removing GPS location / site name / IP / MAC address
if desired) and post them and we can analyze them.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:14 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I haven't ever deployed a AF-5 or AF-5U but a friend who owns a wisp is
> trying to deploy one, we don't have very much noise and he's only 3db off
> of 'optimal' as calculated by the AF-5's GPS and the thing will only pass
> about 20mbps of traffic @ 9 miles
>
> What is the aprox expected throughput at 9miles assuming little/no noise?
>
> Any ideas on what to play with to get it working better, channel and
> channel size aren't helping and I'm pretty sure the alignment is decent, do
> I have a bad radio?
>
> Or maybe 9 miles is too far?
>
> Thank you,
>
> TJ Trout
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT google file stream

[Jason McKemie]

They're discontinuing the Google Drive application, the service still
functions the same as far as I can tell.  I'm using the Backup and Sync
application now, and really can't tell much difference.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:23 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> We were notified by Google that drive would be disabled in some way but I
> can't remember how.
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018, 5:13 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I have not changed to file stream, but I'm reading this as it will only
>> go on the C: drive and you can't change it.  So if you have a small C
>> drive, or are almost out of space, you're SOL.
>>
>>
>> On 3/1/2018 5:51 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> Everything I have I sync. All copies on all devices (including Google)
>> are the same.
>>
>> Well, for Google Drive. Maybe they have something new now. Product ADD.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 1, 2018 4:41:10 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT google file stream
>>
>> I made the mistake of switching from backup and sync to google file
>> stream.  It wants to put local content on the C drive only.
>>
>> If you have not made the switch, I would recommend against it.  I am
>> trying to undo this.
>>
>>
>>

[AFMUG] what was the process for WISPA email lists to get reinstated

[Rory Conaway]

Something keeps kicking me out but I went in, checked all my accounts, no 
problem.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"Yesterdays Home Runs don't win todays games!"

Re: [AFMUG] CCS 60ghz PTMP AP and Sub pic from MWC -

[Jason McKemie]

http://www.ccsl.com/media/uploads/files/metnet60ghz-product-specification-v4.pdf

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:03 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Siklu? Link to PDF? Nothing published yet?
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks to Andreas for the pic
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

[Sean Heskett]

it's available as part15 spectrum and there is equipment from a few
manufacturers.  BUT the TV broadcasters fought the rules so vigorously that
it isn't very viable for consumer internet needs.  the channel sizes are
6MHz (there might be channel bonding now to get  it to 12MHz but i stopped
paying attention long ago) and the mask on the channels are really tight so
it's difficult to use more than 4MHz, so basically throughput is really
low.  probably only good for IoT stuff nowadays.

oh there's also the goofy height above average terrain HAAT rules to
contend with.  and everything has to talk back to a SaS server to authorize
use.

pretty much a cluster f*ck of rules and regs that makes it unusable for
netflix type of interwebs.

-sean


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 7:34 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> This was supposed to be like putting a monkey in shoes, but then it went
> silent, is it essentially a dead duck or is there still something
> happenning?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Introduction

[Chuck McCown]

Welcome to the never ending party...

From: Jon Lee 
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 8:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Introduction

Evening all,  

I have been lurking in the shadows for the past couple of weeks. 

Just wanted to introduce myself and say that the amount of knowledge gained 
over that time alone (and reading some of the archives) has been helpful. 

I will try to contribute where I can, (fairly new in the space). My background 
in tech started in the USMC as a 7236 (Air Control Electronics Operator) 
basically a network guy, and now I manage a WISP in the Prescott, AZ area. I 
recently started my own company that will focus outside of the area that I 
manage. 

Looking forward to growing and gaining knowledge in the community. 

Thanks!
-Jon 

-- 

Jon Lee 
Off-Grid Networks
c.928.793.2972

Re: [AFMUG] OT google file stream

[Chuck McCown]

Screw that.  

I already uninstalled it and went to backup and sync.  

Didn’t really understand what extra benefit File Stream gives, if any.  

From: Gerard Dupont 
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 8:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT google file stream

I just went through this. You can use a symbolic link to move the cache 
directory for google drive file stream. 

Tutorial here.. https://imgur.com/a/cjScs

Gerard

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:33 PM,  wrote:

  Yes, if you are a Google Drive user you will get nagged to change.

  You have two options:

  Backup and Sync
  - or - 
  Google Drive File Stream

  You do NOT want the latter.  It forces your Google Drive on to C: and hides 
it and will not allow you to move it to other drives.  

  I did not realize there were two totally different products they were trying 
to get everyone to migrate to.  The nag screen just says the legacy Google 
Drive will stop working sometime this year.  

  So, I uninstalled File Stream, had to search the C drive for files modified 
today, found where it hid the files and am now deleting about 130 GB of files.  

  At least my old Google Drive contents on D: are still there and I 
re-downloaded Backup and Sync and it is now bringing that up to sync rather 
than a full transfer.  

  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 4:51 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT google file stream

  Everything I have I sync. All copies on all devices (including Google) are 
the same.

  Well, for Google Drive. Maybe they have something new now. Product ADD.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 4:41:10 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT google file stream


  I made the mistake of switching from backup and sync to google file stream.  
It wants to put local content on the C drive only.  

  If you have not made the switch, I would recommend against it.  I am trying 
to undo this.  

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Chuck McCown]

Just keep operating it.  Claim to be a Verizon sub contractor...

From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 7:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

Letter came via FedEx with required signature. You'll get it soon 

On Mar 1, 2018 6:48 PM, "Jason McKemie"  
wrote:

  I've got a similar setup, haven't received a letter as of yet though...

   Virus-free. www.avast.com  


  On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz 
Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased Straight Path 
and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition to deploy 5G wireless, 
and they request we cease transmission by September 4th 2018. 

That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20 that 
won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's anything I 
can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it overseas.  Is there a 
non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?

-Adam

Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy

[TJ Trout]

someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA list I
think about 6 months ago...

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

>
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

[AFMUG] AF-5 optimal config

[TJ Trout]

Hello,

I haven't ever deployed a AF-5 or AF-5U but a friend who owns a wisp is
trying to deploy one, we don't have very much noise and he's only 3db off
of 'optimal' as calculated by the AF-5's GPS and the thing will only pass
about 20mbps of traffic @ 9 miles

What is the aprox expected throughput at 9miles assuming little/no noise?

Any ideas on what to play with to get it working better, channel and
channel size aren't helping and I'm pretty sure the alignment is decent, do
I have a bad radio?

Or maybe 9 miles is too far?

Thank you,

TJ Trout

Re: [AFMUG] Introduction

[Jaime Solorza]

Semper Fi!! Jump on in, water is nice...Dad and Brother ,USMC, son USAF and
Grandpa US Army...lots of vets in this group

Jaime Solorza

On Mar 1, 2018 8:44 PM, "Jon Lee"  wrote:

> Evening all,
>
> I have been lurking in the shadows for the past couple of weeks.
>
> Just wanted to introduce myself and say that the amount of knowledge
> gained over that time alone (and reading some of the archives) has been
> helpful.
>
> I will try to contribute where I can, (fairly new in the space). My
> background in tech started in the USMC as a 7236 (Air Control Electronics
> Operator) basically a network guy, and now I manage a WISP in the Prescott,
> AZ area. I recently started my own company that will focus outside of the
> area that I manage.
>
> Looking forward to growing and gaining knowledge in the community.
>
> Thanks!
> -Jon
>
> --
> Jon Lee
> Off-Grid Networks
> c.928.793.2972 <(928)%20793-2972>
>

Re: [AFMUG] CCS 60ghz PTMP AP and Sub pic from MWC -

[TJ Trout]

Siklu? Link to PDF? Nothing published yet?

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> Thanks to Andreas for the pic
>
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] unsubscribe

[TJ Trout]

Here is the exact un-subscribe link:

UNSUBSCRIBE AFMUG LET ME GOOGLE THAT FOR YOU


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 7:10 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Richard,
>
>
>
> Nobody has ever had that problem to my knowledge (failure to unsubscribe)
>
>
>
> My main tech has been out for a bit, but I will have him look this AM
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Pedersen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 6:52 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] unsubscribe
>
>
>
> How do I get off this list?  I have done everything possible to no avail
> Emailing the operators of this list doesn’t get any response. the
> unsubscribe doesn’t work either.  I have been trying for 2 weeks this is a
> last ditch effort
>

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

[TJ Trout]

The equipment never really made it to market, I think because of the poor
rules and the jack of spectrum... dead unless you want to do IOT type of
stuff, isn't really qualified for broadband when your AP can only do
3-20mbps in 2018

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> This was supposed to be like putting a monkey in shoes, but then it went
> silent, is it essentially a dead duck or is there still something
> happenning?
>

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Eric Kuhnke]

There are a number of African countries where 39 GHz can be licensed same
as any other PTP.

It could theoretically be licensed in Canada on special per-link permission
basis, but given the short distances 39 GHz can go, you'd have to sell it
to an operator that is in a small/remote city, needs short high capacity
PTP links, and is willing to do the legwork with the Canadian feds.



On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 3:31 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz
> Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased Straight
> Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition to deploy 5G
> wireless, and they request we cease transmission by September 4th 2018.
>
> That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20
> that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's
> anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it
> overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?
>
> -Adam
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

[Eric Kuhnke]

Never saw a product that was priced anywhere near a reasonable figure for
AP and CPEs. For the money the typical WISP would be better off investing
in some sort of series of micro-POP relays and cambium 900 MHz in select
areas.

The Carlson product pricing was *really* nuts.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> This was supposed to be like putting a monkey in shoes, but then it went
> silent, is it essentially a dead duck or is there still something
> happenning?
>

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

[Bill Prince]

Spectrum is too limited, there are too many places where you can't get 
the guard bands you need. Restrictions on antenna height, equipment is 
too expensive, throughput never matched the hype, etc. etc. etc.



bp


On 3/1/2018 6:34 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
This was supposed to be like putting a monkey in shoes, but then it 
went silent, is it essentially a dead duck or is there still something 
happenning?

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

[Keefe John]

Microsoft and Connect Americans Now are pushing it hard. Right now there's not 
many equipment manufacturers and the equipment is very expensive. None of the 
big guys want to put money into developing new hardware due to regulatory 
uncertainty.

Keefe

On March 1, 2018 8:34:21 PM CST, Steve Jones  wrote:
>This was supposed to be like putting a monkey in shoes, but then it
>went
>silent, is it essentially a dead duck or is there still something
>happenning?

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Simon Westlake]

Yes we do indeed.

On Feb 28, 2018 10:14 PM, "Keefe John"  wrote:

We have a guy in Wisconsin who tries things like this.

KJ

On 2/28/2018 9:57 PM, Simon Westlake wrote:

Not sure what they think they can enforce on unlicensed frequencies..

On 2/28/2018 9:39 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:

�

�

Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just
fishing.� I�ve got my attorneys looking it over and I�m going to make
an inquiry to the Attorney General�s office tomorrow.

�

*Rory Conaway **� Triad Wireless �** CEO*

*4226 S. 37 th
Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

*�*

*�Yesterdays Home Runs don�t win todays games!�*

�


-- 
Simon Westlake | CEOsimon@sonar.software(702) 447-1247https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] OT google file stream

[Lewis Bergman]

We were notified by Google that drive would be disabled in some way but I
can't remember how.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018, 5:13 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I have not changed to file stream, but I'm reading this as it will only go
> on the C: drive and you can't change it.  So if you have a small C drive,
> or are almost out of space, you're SOL.
>
>
> On 3/1/2018 5:51 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Everything I have I sync. All copies on all devices (including Google) are
> the same.
>
> Well, for Google Drive. Maybe they have something new now. Product ADD.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 1, 2018 4:41:10 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT google file stream
>
> I made the mistake of switching from backup and sync to google file
> stream.  It wants to put local content on the C drive only.
>
> If you have not made the switch, I would recommend against it.  I am
> trying to undo this.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/1/18 3:31 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:


That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20 
that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's 
anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it 
overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?





Air gap surge protector.

[AFMUG] Introduction

[Jon Lee]

Evening all,

I have been lurking in the shadows for the past couple of weeks.

Just wanted to introduce myself and say that the amount of knowledge gained
over that time alone (and reading some of the archives) has been helpful.

I will try to contribute where I can, (fairly new in the space). My
background in tech started in the USMC as a 7236 (Air Control Electronics
Operator) basically a network guy, and now I manage a WISP in the Prescott,
AZ area. I recently started my own company that will focus outside of the
area that I manage.

Looking forward to growing and gaining knowledge in the community.

Thanks!
-Jon

-- 
Jon Lee
Off-Grid Networks
c.928.793.2972

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Rory Conaway]

I’d still be shocked if it passes either specification and it has an FCC number.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 6:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet


That's a good point but I think they are using some DBII 4.9 certified card.

Keefe

On 3/1/2018 4:57 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
The first problem with this is the system probably isn’t even legal.  Mikrotik 
doesn’t have any certifications in 4.9Ghz, let alone high-power mask.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 2:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

and it never will.   But science and politicians don’t seem to go together very 
well.

Mark



On Mar 1, 2018, at 3:55 PM, Keefe John 
> wrote:

There's a whole county in Wisconsin who's trying to get 4.9 ghz Mikrotik's to 
service mobile police cars.  They've been working on it for the better part of 
7 years and have invested over a million dollars into the project.  It still 
doesn't work.
Keefe

On 3/1/2018 2:05 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
I liked when the lieutenant at the Toledo police department called us up and 
threatened to come out and shut down our 2.4 AP’s because we were supposedly 
interfering with their ill conceived plan to use WiFi to communicate with 
police cars all over town.

Pretty laughable given that we didn’t have anything in their jurisdiction - or 
even any 2.4 in use.

Mark



On Mar 1, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:

Down south they call it "All hat, and no cattle."


bp




On 3/1/2018 8:51 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, it would be nice to see a ruling to stop this from happening again in the 
future... but my guess is that it's really just an empty threat, and he has no 
intention of actually suing anybody.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
I think this is worth pushing to the nth. I like caselaw, fresh caselaw that 
stiffens historic caselaw. I would really like to see at the end of the day, 
the letter recipients divvying up airebeams assets with some sanctions against 
the attorneys office. We should do a gofundme in the industry for the 
recipients to afford the litigation, no settlement, no dismissal, make it get 
to a ruling.

where johnny Cochran

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
I wonder how often this kind of thing works to just scare people off though... 
I assume they'd eventually lose an actual lawsuit, but even if the new guys 
know that, there's a good chance that they're not going to want to go through 
the whole mess of getting sued, and just try to keep out of their way.
Personally, I think asking nicely to try to avoid interfering with the stuff 
you have up would be a lot more effective...

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM, > wrote:
Any local judge would be preempted by FCC.

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about willfully impeding and 
incumbants operations. This fcc talk os what theyre probably expecting the 
people to focus on, but thats not their target. This could be interesting to 
see play out, hopefully it does end up in court just to get fresh caselaw. The 
new operators in the area may suffer a bit if injunctions are in play, but if 
they weather it, theyll win, probably get some time and trouble dough in their 
pockets too.

On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien" 
> wrote:
They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue anybody for anything in this 
country right?

In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC rules on unlicensed freqs and 
how a judge might interpret a case for damages due to lost business due to 
provable radio interference, may be two totally different situations.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you.
Jaime Solorza

On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we can’t install over their old 
customers fast enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3 times what we are backed up.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

all you need to know about this outfit

" Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled 

Re: [AFMUG] OT google file stream

[Gerard Dupont]

I just went through this. You can use a symbolic link to move the cache
directory for google drive file stream.

Tutorial here.. https://imgur.com/a/cjScs

Gerard

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:33 PM,  wrote:

> Yes, if you are a Google Drive user you will get nagged to change.
>
> You have two options:
>
> Backup and Sync
> - or -
> Google Drive File Stream
>
> You do NOT want the latter.  It forces your Google Drive on to C: and
> hides it and will not allow you to move it to other drives.
>
> I did not realize there were two totally different products they were
> trying to get everyone to migrate to.  The nag screen just says the legacy
> Google Drive will stop working sometime this year.
>
> So, I uninstalled File Stream, had to search the C drive for files
> modified today, found where it hid the files and am now deleting about 130
> GB of files.
>
> At least my old Google Drive contents on D: are still there and I
> re-downloaded Backup and Sync and it is now bringing that up to sync rather
> than a full transfer.
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 4:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT google file stream
>
> Everything I have I sync. All copies on all devices (including Google) are
> the same.
>
> Well, for Google Drive. Maybe they have something new now. Product ADD.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 1, 2018 4:41:10 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT google file stream
>
> I made the mistake of switching from backup and sync to google file
> stream.  It wants to put local content on the C drive only.
>
> If you have not made the switch, I would recommend against it.  I am
> trying to undo this.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Adam Moffett]

I'd have to look up the exact range of frequencies, but I'm sure it 
doesn't go that low.



-- Original Message --
From: "Adair Winter" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/1/2018 7:43:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

My thought was, is it possible to use it in any other freq range? Down 
to 23Ghz maybe?


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz 
Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased 
Straight Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition 
to deploy 5G wireless, and they request we cease transmission by 
September 4th 2018.


That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20 
that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if 
there's anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can 
sell it overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?


-Adam





--
Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net 

[AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

[Steve Jones]

This was supposed to be like putting a monkey in shoes, but then it went
silent, is it essentially a dead duck or is there still something
happenning?

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Rory Conaway]

Not with their equipment.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 5:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

I've got a similar setup, haven't received a letter as of yet though...

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On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz Ceragon 
IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased Straight Path and 
intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition to deploy 5G wireless, and 
they request we cease transmission by September 4th 2018.

That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20 that 
won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's anything I 
can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it overseas.  Is there a 
non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?

-Adam

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Darin Steffl]

Letter came via FedEx with required signature. You'll get it soon

On Mar 1, 2018 6:48 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> I've got a similar setup, haven't received a letter as of yet though...
>
>
> 
>  Virus-free.
> www.avast.com
> 
> <#m_3002860893322560380_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz
>> Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased Straight
>> Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition to deploy 5G
>> wireless, and they request we cease transmission by September 4th 2018.
>>
>> That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20
>> that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's
>> anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it
>> overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Darin Steffl]

We'd need someone to reach out to ceragon and find out if it's possible to
use it in another band. I know the radios were special made for straight
path.

On Mar 1, 2018 6:43 PM, "Adair Winter"  wrote:

> My thought was, is it possible to use it in any other freq range? Down to
> 23Ghz maybe?
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz
>> Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased Straight
>> Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition to deploy 5G
>> wireless, and they request we cease transmission by September 4th 2018.
>>
>> That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20
>> that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's
>> anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it
>> overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Adair Winter
> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
> http://www.amarillowireless.net
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Keefe John]

That's a good point but I think they are using some DBII 4.9 certified card.

Keefe


On 3/1/2018 4:57 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:


The first problem with this is the system probably isn’t even legal.  
Mikrotik doesn’t have any certifications in 4.9Ghz, let alone 
high-power mask.


Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 2:52 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

and it never will.   But science and politicians don’t seem to go 
together very well.


Mark



On Mar 1, 2018, at 3:55 PM, Keefe John > wrote:


There's a whole county in Wisconsin who's trying to get 4.9 ghz 
Mikrotik's to service mobile police cars.  They've been working on it 
for the better part of 7 years and have invested over a million 
dollars into the project.  It still doesn't work.


Keefe

On 3/1/2018 2:05 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

I liked when the lieutenant at the Toledo police department called
us up and threatened to come out and shut down our 2.4 AP’s
because we were supposedly interfering with their ill conceived
plan to use WiFi to communicate with police cars all over town.

Pretty laughable given that we didn’t have anything in their
jurisdiction - or even any 2.4 in use.

Mark



On Mar 1, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:

Down south they call it "All hat, and no cattle."

bp



On 3/1/2018 8:51 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Yeah, it would be nice to see a ruling to stop this from
happening again in the future... but my guess is that it's
really just an empty threat, and he has no intention of
actually suing anybody.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Steve Jones
>
wrote:

I think this is worth pushing to the nth. I like caselaw,
fresh caselaw that stiffens historic caselaw. I would really
like to see at the end of the day, the letter recipients
divvying up airebeams assets with some sanctions against the
attorneys office. We should do a gofundme in the industry for
the recipients to afford the litigation, no settlement, no
dismissal, make it get to a ruling.

where johnny Cochran

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Mathew Howard
> wrote:

I wonder how often this kind of thing works to just scare
people off though... I assume they'd eventually lose an actual
lawsuit, but even if the new guys know that, there's a good
chance that they're not going to want to go through the whole
mess of getting sued, and just try to keep out of their way.

Personally, I think asking nicely to try to avoid interfering
with the stuff you have up would be a lot more effective...

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM, > wrote:

Any local judge would be preempted by FCC.

*From:*Steve Jones

*Sent:*Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about willfully
impeding and incumbants operations. This fcc talk os what
theyre probably expecting the people to focus on, but thats
not their target. This could be interesting to see play out,
hopefully it does end up in court just to get fresh caselaw.
The new operators in the area may suffer a bit if injunctions
are in play, but if they weather it, theyll win, probably get
some time and trouble dough in their pockets too.

On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien" > wrote:

They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue anybody
for anything in this country right?

In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC rules on
unlicensed freqs and how a judge might interpret a case
for damages due to lost business due to provable radio
interference, may be two totally different situations.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza
> wrote:

Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you.

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway"
>
wrote:

We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we can’t
install over their old customers fast enough.  Ken is
backed up at 

Re: [AFMUG] OT google file stream

[chuck]

Yes, if you are a Google Drive user you will get nagged to change.

You have two options:

Backup and Sync
- or - 
Google Drive File Stream

You do NOT want the latter.  It forces your Google Drive on to C: and hides it 
and will not allow you to move it to other drives.  

I did not realize there were two totally different products they were trying to 
get everyone to migrate to.  The nag screen just says the legacy Google Drive 
will stop working sometime this year.  

So, I uninstalled File Stream, had to search the C drive for files modified 
today, found where it hid the files and am now deleting about 130 GB of files.  

At least my old Google Drive contents on D: are still there and I re-downloaded 
Backup and Sync and it is now bringing that up to sync rather than a full 
transfer.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 4:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT google file stream

Everything I have I sync. All copies on all devices (including Google) are the 
same.

Well, for Google Drive. Maybe they have something new now. Product ADD.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 4:41:10 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT google file stream


I made the mistake of switching from backup and sync to google file stream.  It 
wants to put local content on the C drive only.  

If you have not made the switch, I would recommend against it.  I am trying to 
undo this.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT google file stream

[Nate Burke]

I have not changed to file stream, but I'm reading this as it will only 
go on the C: drive and you can't change it.  So if you have a small C 
drive, or are almost out of space, you're SOL.


On 3/1/2018 5:51 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Everything I have I sync. All copies on all devices (including Google) 
are the same.


Well, for Google Drive. Maybe they have something new now. Product ADD.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, March 1, 2018 4:41:10 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT google file stream

I made the mistake of switching from backup and sync to google file 
stream.  It wants to put local content on the C drive only.
If you have not made the switch, I would recommend against it.  I am 
trying to undo this.

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Jason McKemie]

I've got a similar setup, haven't received a letter as of yet though...


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On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz
> Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased Straight
> Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition to deploy 5G
> wireless, and they request we cease transmission by September 4th 2018.
>
> That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20
> that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's
> anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it
> overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?
>
> -Adam
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

[Jason McKemie]

I've got a bottle of Bourbon County Stout sitting right here, 14.7% :)

If you just want to get drunk, some Natty Rush would probably do the job as
well...


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On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 4:30 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> If you can find it, Blacorn Unidragon by Clown Shoes brewery is pretty
> high... 12-13% if I remember right. And it's a might-tasty too. A couple
> bombers of that and he'll be good an primed.
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 2:53 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Steve strikes me as more of a Four Loko type of guy.
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 3/1/2018 3:04:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>>
>> Make sure you drink some really good craft beer with higher % before you
>> make the call, lol
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:52 AM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Do it! do it!
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:23 AM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 did somebody say have some drinks and shoot off an email? Im hearing
 "have some drinks and shoot of an email"

 On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:12 AM,  wrote:

> I did ... [image: Winking smile]
>
> *From:* Keefe John
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 9:07 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>
> I wonder how many people emailed or called this guy now. He probably
> woke up to an inbox of hate mail.
> Keefe
>
> On March 1, 2018 9:59:21 AM CST, Kurt Fankhauser <
> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Part-15 has no first come first claim basis for rights to any
>> unlicensed frequency. Is their lawyer that dumb?
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 PM, Chuck McCown 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I can’t remember of Steve Coran is on this list or not.  If not you
>>> ought to forward this to him.
>>>
>>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:05 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>>>
>>> I actually tried to get my FCC attorney to agree that we could
>>> enforce something like this about 15 years ago.
>>> He told me I was pissin’ in the wind.
>>>
>>> Part 15 and the doctrine of the “law of the commons” were again me.
>>>
>>> *From:* Rory Conaway
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:55 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>>>
>>>
>>> I thought I would rename this appropriately.  WISPA needs to get
>>> ahead of this quickly so it doesn’t spread to every law office that 
>>> thinks
>>> they are going to make buck intimidating their competitors.  2 WISPS I 
>>> know
>>> in Arizona got these today.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>>
>>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>>
>>> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>>>
>>> *r...@triadwireless.net*
>>>
>>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>


>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Adair Winter]

My thought was, is it possible to use it in any other freq range? Down to
23Ghz maybe?

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz
> Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased Straight
> Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition to deploy 5G
> wireless, and they request we cease transmission by September 4th 2018.
>
> That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20
> that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's
> anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it
> overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?
>
> -Adam
>
>


-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Dave]

PFFT,
 Thats like using a screwdriver as a hammer. WTH!


On 03/01/2018 02:55 PM, Keefe John wrote:


There's a whole county in Wisconsin who's trying to get 4.9 ghz 
Mikrotik's to service mobile police cars.  They've been working on it 
for the better part of 7 years and have invested over a million 
dollars into the project.  It still doesn't work.


Keefe


On 3/1/2018 2:05 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
I liked when the lieutenant at the Toledo police department called us 
up and threatened to come out and shut down our 2.4 AP’s because we 
were supposedly interfering with their ill conceived plan to use WiFi 
to communicate with police cars all over town.


Pretty laughable given that we didn’t have anything in their 
jurisdiction - or even any 2.4 in use.


Mark

On Mar 1, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:


Down south they call it "All hat, and no cattle."


bp


On 3/1/2018 8:51 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, it would be nice to see a ruling to stop this from happening 
again in the future... but my guess is that it's really just an 
empty threat, and he has no intention of actually suing anybody.


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:


I think this is worth pushing to the nth. I like caselaw, fresh
caselaw that stiffens historic caselaw. I would really like to
see at the end of the day, the letter recipients divvying up
airebeams assets with some sanctions against the attorneys
office. We should do a gofundme in the industry for the
recipients to afford the litigation, no settlement, no
dismissal, make it get to a ruling.

where johnny Cochran

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Mathew Howard
> wrote:

I wonder how often this kind of thing works to just scare
people off though... I assume they'd eventually lose an
actual lawsuit, but even if the new guys know that, there's
a good chance that they're not going to want to go through
the whole mess of getting sued, and just try to keep out of
their way.

Personally, I think asking nicely to try to avoid
interfering with the stuff you have up would be a lot more
effective...

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM, > wrote:

Any local judge would be preempted by FCC.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about
willfully impeding and incumbants operations. This fcc
talk os what theyre probably expecting the people to
focus on, but thats not their target. This could be
interesting to see play out, hopefully it does end up
in court just to get fresh caselaw. The new operators
in the area may suffer a bit if injunctions are in
play, but if they weather it, theyll win, probably get
some time and trouble dough in their pockets too.
On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien"
 wrote:

They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue
anybody for anything in this country right?
In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC
rules on unlicensed freqs and how a judge might
interpret a case for damages due to lost business
due to provable radio interference, may be two
totally different situations.
On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you.

Jaime Solorza
On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway"
 wrote:

We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and
we can’t install over their old customers
fast enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3
times what we are backed up.


Rory


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this
letter yet


all you need to know about this outfit


" Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my
Airebeam account and switched to another
company. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT google file stream

[Mike Hammett]

Everything I have I sync. All copies on all devices (including Google) are the 
same. 

Well, for Google Drive. Maybe they have something new now. Product ADD. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 4:41:10 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT google file stream 




I made the mistake of switching from backup and sync to google file stream. It 
wants to put local content on the C drive only. 

If you have not made the switch, I would recommend against it. I am trying to 
undo this. 

[AFMUG] 39ghz

[Adam Moffett]

We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz 
Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased Straight 
Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition to deploy 
5G wireless, and they request we cease transmission by September 4th 
2018.


That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20 
that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's 
anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it 
overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?


-Adam

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Rory Conaway]

The first problem with this is the system probably isn’t even legal.  Mikrotik 
doesn’t have any certifications in 4.9Ghz, let alone high-power mask.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 2:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

and it never will.   But science and politicians don’t seem to go together very 
well.

Mark


On Mar 1, 2018, at 3:55 PM, Keefe John 
> wrote:

There's a whole county in Wisconsin who's trying to get 4.9 ghz Mikrotik's to 
service mobile police cars.  They've been working on it for the better part of 
7 years and have invested over a million dollars into the project.  It still 
doesn't work.
Keefe

On 3/1/2018 2:05 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
I liked when the lieutenant at the Toledo police department called us up and 
threatened to come out and shut down our 2.4 AP’s because we were supposedly 
interfering with their ill conceived plan to use WiFi to communicate with 
police cars all over town.

Pretty laughable given that we didn’t have anything in their jurisdiction - or 
even any 2.4 in use.

Mark


On Mar 1, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:

Down south they call it "All hat, and no cattle."


bp




On 3/1/2018 8:51 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, it would be nice to see a ruling to stop this from happening again in the 
future... but my guess is that it's really just an empty threat, and he has no 
intention of actually suing anybody.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
I think this is worth pushing to the nth. I like caselaw, fresh caselaw that 
stiffens historic caselaw. I would really like to see at the end of the day, 
the letter recipients divvying up airebeams assets with some sanctions against 
the attorneys office. We should do a gofundme in the industry for the 
recipients to afford the litigation, no settlement, no dismissal, make it get 
to a ruling.

where johnny Cochran

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
I wonder how often this kind of thing works to just scare people off though... 
I assume they'd eventually lose an actual lawsuit, but even if the new guys 
know that, there's a good chance that they're not going to want to go through 
the whole mess of getting sued, and just try to keep out of their way.
Personally, I think asking nicely to try to avoid interfering with the stuff 
you have up would be a lot more effective...

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM, > wrote:
Any local judge would be preempted by FCC.

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about willfully impeding and 
incumbants operations. This fcc talk os what theyre probably expecting the 
people to focus on, but thats not their target. This could be interesting to 
see play out, hopefully it does end up in court just to get fresh caselaw. The 
new operators in the area may suffer a bit if injunctions are in play, but if 
they weather it, theyll win, probably get some time and trouble dough in their 
pockets too.

On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien" 
> wrote:
They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue anybody for anything in this 
country right?

In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC rules on unlicensed freqs and 
how a judge might interpret a case for damages due to lost business due to 
provable radio interference, may be two totally different situations.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you.
Jaime Solorza

On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we can’t install over their old 
customers fast enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3 times what we are backed up.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

all you need to know about this outfit

" Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my Airebeam account and switched to 
another company. This company has the worst customer service. They also have 
horrible internet service. They are very unresponsive when there is an issue. 
(and if they did respond, they always blamed the router.) In my opinion, Greg 
does not take the responsibility of owning a business and providing quality 
seriously.
Follow up note:
When Steven (installer) 

[AFMUG] OT google file stream

[chuck]

I made the mistake of switching from backup and sync to google file stream.  It 
wants to put local content on the C drive only.  

If you have not made the switch, I would recommend against it.  I am trying to 
undo this.  

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

[Cameron Crum]

If you can find it, Blacorn Unidragon by Clown Shoes brewery is pretty
high... 12-13% if I remember right. And it's a might-tasty too. A couple
bombers of that and he'll be good an primed.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 2:53 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Steve strikes me as more of a Four Loko type of guy.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 3/1/2018 3:04:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>
> Make sure you drink some really good craft beer with higher % before you
> make the call, lol
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:52 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Do it! do it!
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:23 AM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> did somebody say have some drinks and shoot off an email? Im hearing
>>> "have some drinks and shoot of an email"
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:12 AM,  wrote:
>>>
 I did ... [image: Winking smile]

 *From:* Keefe John
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 9:07 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

 I wonder how many people emailed or called this guy now. He probably
 woke up to an inbox of hate mail.
 Keefe

 On March 1, 2018 9:59:21 AM CST, Kurt Fankhauser <
 lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Part-15 has no first come first claim basis for rights to any
> unlicensed frequency. Is their lawyer that dumb?
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
>
>> I can’t remember of Steve Coran is on this list or not.  If not you
>> ought to forward this to him.
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:05 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>>
>> I actually tried to get my FCC attorney to agree that we could
>> enforce something like this about 15 years ago.
>> He told me I was pissin’ in the wind.
>>
>> Part 15 and the doctrine of the “law of the commons” were again me.
>>
>> *From:* Rory Conaway
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:55 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>>
>>
>> I thought I would rename this appropriately.  WISPA needs to get
>> ahead of this quickly so it doesn’t spread to every law office that 
>> thinks
>> they are going to make buck intimidating their competitors.  2 WISPS I 
>> know
>> in Arizona got these today.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net*
>>
>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>
>>
>>
>> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
>>
>>
>>
>
>

 --
 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet


CBB,

Wrong Mark

-- 
Best regards,
 Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

--

Thursday, March 1, 2018, 4:06:20 PM, you wrote:

 




 
Toledo Ohio?  Aren't you in FL? :)
 




- Original Message - 
From: Mark Radabaugh
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

I liked when the lieutenant at the Toledo police department called us up and threatened to come out and shut down our 2.4 AP’s because we were supposedly interfering with their ill conceived plan to use WiFi to communicate with police cars all over town.    

Pretty laughable given that we didn’t have anything in their jurisdiction - or even any 2.4 in use.

Mark





On Mar 1, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

Down south they call it "All hat, and no cattle."

bp


On 3/1/2018 8:51 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:




Yeah, it would be nice to see a ruling to stop this from happening again in the future... but my guess is that it's really just an empty threat, and he has no intention of actually suing anybody.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:




I think this is worth pushing to the nth. I like caselaw, fresh caselaw that stiffens historic caselaw. I would really like to see at the end of the day, the letter recipients divvying up airebeams assets with some sanctions against the attorneys office. We should do a gofundme in the industry for the recipients to afford the litigation, no settlement, no dismissal, make it get to a ruling.  

where johnny Cochran 

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:




I wonder how often this kind of thing works to just scare people off though... I assume they'd eventually lose an actual lawsuit, but even if the new guys know that, there's a good chance that they're not going to want to go through the whole mess of getting sued, and just try to keep out of their way.

Personally, I think asking nicely to try to avoid interfering with the stuff you have up would be a lot more effective...

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM,  wrote:




Any local judge would be preempted by FCC.  
 
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
 
Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about willfully impeding and incumbants operations. This fcc talk os what theyre probably expecting the people to focus on, but thats not their target. This could be interesting to see play out, hopefully it does end up in court just to get fresh caselaw. The new operators in the area may suffer a bit if injunctions are in play, but if they weather it, theyll win, probably get some time and trouble dough in their pockets too.
 
On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien"  wrote:




They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue anybody for anything in this country right?  
 
In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC rules on unlicensed freqs and how a judge might interpret a case for damages due to lost business due to provable radio interference, may be two totally different situations. 
 
On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:




Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you. 

Jaime Solorza
 
On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:




We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we can’t install over their old customers fast enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3 times what we are backed up.

 
Rory

 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

 
all you need to know about this outfit 

 
" Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my Airebeam account and switched to another company. This company has the worst customer service. They also have horrible internet service. They are very unresponsive when there is an issue. (and if they did respond, they always blamed the router.) In my opinion, Greg does not take the responsibility of owning a business and providing quality seriously.
Follow up note:
When Steven (installer) contacted me to pick up equipment, he stated equipment that wasn't even theirs. He then proceeded to yell at me. I explained to him that he was never to contact me again. The owner, instead of finding a solution, threatened to file theft charges. I am more than happy to return their equipment, but I don't have to put up with their abusive employees."

 
https://www.yelp.com/biz/airebeam-arizona-city

 
not that BBB is legit, but there is this https://www.bbb.org/phoenix/business-reviews/internet-providers/airebeam-broadband-in-arizona-city-az-133070/reviews-and-complaints

 
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Keefe John]

I mis-read your email and thought you said 'come shoot down' your 2.4 
ghz APs.  That would have been even more hilarious.


Keefe


On 3/1/2018 2:58 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

What was your response to that threat?

Mark Radabaugh wrote:
I liked when the lieutenant at the Toledo police department called us 
up and threatened to come out and shut down our 2.4 AP’s because we 
were supposedly interfering with their ill conceived plan to use WiFi 
to communicate with police cars all over town.


Pretty laughable given that we didn’t have anything in their 
jurisdiction - or even any 2.4 in use.


Mark

On Mar 1, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:


Down south they call it "All hat, and no cattle."


bp


On 3/1/2018 8:51 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, it would be nice to see a ruling to stop this from happening 
again in the future... but my guess is that it's really just an 
empty threat, and he has no intention of actually suing anybody.


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:


    I think this is worth pushing to the nth. I like caselaw, fresh
    caselaw that stiffens historic caselaw. I would really like to
    see at the end of the day, the letter recipients divvying up
    airebeams assets with some sanctions against the attorneys
    office. We should do a gofundme in the industry for the
    recipients to afford the litigation, no settlement, no
    dismissal, make it get to a ruling.

    where johnny Cochran

    On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Mathew Howard
    > wrote:

    I wonder how often this kind of thing works to just scare
    people off though... I assume they'd eventually lose an
    actual lawsuit, but even if the new guys know that, there's
    a good chance that they're not going to want to go through
    the whole mess of getting sued, and just try to keep out of
    their way.

    Personally, I think asking nicely to try to avoid
    interfering with the stuff you have up would be a lot more
    effective...

    On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM, > wrote:

    Any local judge would be preempted by FCC.
    *From:* Steve Jones
    *Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM
    *To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
    Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about
    willfully impeding and incumbants operations. This fcc
    talk os what theyre probably expecting the people to
    focus on, but thats not their target. This could be
    interesting to see play out, hopefully it does end up in
    court just to get fresh caselaw. The new operators in
    the area may suffer a bit if injunctions are in play,
    but if they weather it, theyll win, probably get some
    time and trouble dough in their pockets too.
    On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien"
     wrote:

    They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue
    anybody for anything in this country right?
    In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC
    rules on unlicensed freqs and how a judge might
    interpret a case for damages due to lost business
    due to provable radio interference, may be two
    totally different situations.
    On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza
     wrote:

    Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you.

    Jaime Solorza
    On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway"
     wrote:

    We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and
    we can’t install over their old customers
    fast enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3
    times what we are backed up.


    Rory


    *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
    Behalf Of *Steve Jones
    *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
    *To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this
    letter yet


    all you need to know about this outfit


    " Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my
    Airebeam account and switched to another
    company. This company has the worst customer
    service. They also have horrible internet
    service. They are very unresponsive when

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

[Brian Webster]

Steve, this response made me laugh for quite a while, thanks!

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 11:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

 

did somebody say have some drinks and shoot off an email? Im hearing "have some 
drinks and shoot of an email"

 

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:12 AM,  wrote:

I did ... Winking smile

 

From: Keefe John 

Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 9:07 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

 

I wonder how many people emailed or called this guy now. He probably woke up to 
an inbox of hate mail.
Keefe

On March 1, 2018 9:59:21 AM CST, Kurt Fankhauser  
wrote: 

Part-15 has no first come first claim basis for rights to any unlicensed 
frequency. Is their lawyer that dumb?

 

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I can’t remember of Steve Coran is on this list or not.  If not you ought to 
forward this to him.  

 

From: Chuck McCown 

Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:05 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

 

I actually tried to get my FCC attorney to agree that we could enforce 
something like this about 15 years ago.

He told me I was pissin’ in the wind.  

 

Part 15 and the doctrine of the “law of the commons” were again me.  

 

From: Rory Conaway 

Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:55 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

 

I thought I would rename this appropriately.  WISPA needs to get ahead of this 
quickly so it doesn’t spread to every law office that thinks they are going to 
make buck intimidating their competitors.  2 WISPS I know in Arizona got these 
today.

 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542  

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net  

 

“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”

 

 


-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/1/18 12:58 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

What was your response to that threat?



come at me bro

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Mark Radabaugh]

and it never will.   But science and politicians don’t seem to go together very 
well.

Mark

> On Mar 1, 2018, at 3:55 PM, Keefe John  wrote:
> 
> There's a whole county in Wisconsin who's trying to get 4.9 ghz Mikrotik's to 
> service mobile police cars.  They've been working on it for the better part 
> of 7 years and have invested over a million dollars into the project.  It 
> still doesn't work.
> 
> Keefe
> 
> On 3/1/2018 2:05 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>> I liked when the lieutenant at the Toledo police department called us up and 
>> threatened to come out and shut down our 2.4 AP’s because we were supposedly 
>> interfering with their ill conceived plan to use WiFi to communicate with 
>> police cars all over town.   
>> 
>> Pretty laughable given that we didn’t have anything in their jurisdiction - 
>> or even any 2.4 in use.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>>> On Mar 1, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Bill Prince >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Down south they call it "All hat, and no cattle."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/1/2018 8:51 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
 Yeah, it would be nice to see a ruling to stop this from happening again 
 in the future... but my guess is that it's really just an empty threat, 
 and he has no intention of actually suing anybody.
 
 On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Steve Jones > wrote:
 I think this is worth pushing to the nth. I like caselaw, fresh caselaw 
 that stiffens historic caselaw. I would really like to see at the end of 
 the day, the letter recipients divvying up airebeams assets with some 
 sanctions against the attorneys office. We should do a gofundme in the 
 industry for the recipients to afford the litigation, no settlement, no 
 dismissal, make it get to a ruling. 
 
 where johnny Cochran 
 
 On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Mathew Howard > wrote:
 I wonder how often this kind of thing works to just scare people off 
 though... I assume they'd eventually lose an actual lawsuit, but even if 
 the new guys know that, there's a good chance that they're not going to 
 want to go through the whole mess of getting sued, and just try to keep 
 out of their way.
 
 Personally, I think asking nicely to try to avoid interfering with the 
 stuff you have up would be a lot more effective...
 
 On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM, > 
 wrote:
 Any local judge would be preempted by FCC. 
  
 From: Steve Jones <>
 Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM
 To: af@afmug.com <>
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
  
 Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about willfully impeding and 
 incumbants operations. This fcc talk os what theyre probably expecting the 
 people to focus on, but thats not their target. This could be interesting 
 to see play out, hopefully it does end up in court just to get fresh 
 caselaw. The new operators in the area may suffer a bit if injunctions are 
 in play, but if they weather it, theyll win, probably get some time and 
 trouble dough in their pockets too.
  
 On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien" > wrote:
 They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue anybody for anything in 
 this country right? 
  
 In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC rules on unlicensed freqs 
 and how a judge might interpret a case for damages due to lost business 
 due to provable radio interference, may be two totally different 
 situations.
  
 On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza > wrote:
 Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you. 
 
 Jaime Solorza
  
 On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway" > wrote:
 We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we can’t install over their 
 old customers fast enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3 times what we are 
 backed up.
 
  
 Rory
 
  
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <>] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
 Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
 To: af@afmug.com <>
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
 
  
 all you need to know about this outfit
 
  
 " Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my Airebeam account and switched to 
 another company. This company has the worst customer service. They also 
 have horrible internet service. They are very unresponsive when there is 
 an issue. (and if they did respond, they always blamed the router.) In my 
 opinion, Greg does not take the responsibility of owning a business and 
 providing quality 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Adam Moffett]

My monocle just popped off.


-- Original Message --
From: "Keefe John" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/1/2018 3:55:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

There's a whole county in Wisconsin who's trying to get 4.9 ghz 
Mikrotik's to service mobile police cars.  They've been working on it 
for the better part of 7 years and have invested over a million dollars 
into the project.  It still doesn't work.


Keefe


On 3/1/2018 2:05 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
I liked when the lieutenant at the Toledo police department called us 
up and threatened to come out and shut down our 2.4 AP’s because we 
were supposedly interfering with their ill conceived plan to use WiFi 
to communicate with police cars all over town.


Pretty laughable given that we didn’t have anything in their 
jurisdiction - or even any 2.4 in use.


Mark


On Mar 1, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

Down south they call it "All hat, and no cattle."



bp



On 3/1/2018 8:51 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, it would be nice to see a ruling to stop this from happening 
again in the future... but my guess is that it's really just an 
empty threat, and he has no intention of actually suing anybody.


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:
I think this is worth pushing to the nth. I like caselaw, fresh 
caselaw that stiffens historic caselaw. I would really like to see 
at the end of the day, the letter recipients divvying up airebeams 
assets with some sanctions against the attorneys office. We should 
do a gofundme in the industry for the recipients to afford the 
litigation, no settlement, no dismissal, make it get to a ruling.


where johnny Cochran

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Mathew Howard 
 wrote:
I wonder how often this kind of thing works to just scare people 
off though... I assume they'd eventually lose an actual lawsuit, 
but even if the new guys know that, there's a good chance that 
they're not going to want to go through the whole mess of getting 
sued, and just try to keep out of their way.


Personally, I think asking nicely to try to avoid interfering with 
the stuff you have up would be a lot more effective...


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM,  wrote:

Any local judge would be preempted by FCC.

From:Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about willfully 
impeding and incumbants operations. This fcc talk os what theyre 
probably expecting the people to focus on, but thats not their 
target. This could be interesting to see play out, hopefully it 
does end up in court just to get fresh caselaw. The new operators 
in the area may suffer a bit if injunctions are in play, but if 
they weather it, theyll win, probably get some time and trouble 
dough in their pockets too.


On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien"  
wrote:
They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue anybody for 
anything in this country right?


In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC rules on 
unlicensed freqs and how a judge might interpret a case for 
damages due to lost business due to provable radio interference, 
may be two totally different situations.


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you.

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
 wrote:
We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we can’t install 
over their old customers fast enough.  Ken is backed up at 
least 3 times what we are backed up.



Rory


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve 
Jones

Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet


all you need to know about this outfit


" Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my Airebeam account and 
switched to another company. This company has the worst 
customer service. They also have horrible internet service. 
They are very unresponsive when there is an issue. (and if 
they did respond, they always blamed the router.) In my 
opinion, Greg does not take the responsibility of owning a 
business and providing quality seriously.

Follow up note:
When Steven (installer) contacted me to pick up equipment, he 
stated equipment that wasn't even theirs. He then proceeded to 
yell at me. I explained to him that he was never to contact me 
again. The owner, instead of finding a solution, threatened to 
file theft charges. I am more than happy to return their 
equipment, but I don't have to put up with their abusive 
employees."



https://www.yelp.com/biz/airebeam-arizona-city 




not that BBB is legit, but there is this 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Toledo Ohio?  Aren't you in FL? :)

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mark Radabaugh 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 2:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet


  I liked when the lieutenant at the Toledo police department called us up and 
threatened to come out and shut down our 2.4 AP’s because we were supposedly 
interfering with their ill conceived plan to use WiFi to communicate with 
police cars all over town.   


  Pretty laughable given that we didn’t have anything in their jurisdiction - 
or even any 2.4 in use.


  Mark



On Mar 1, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:


Down south they call it "All hat, and no cattle."




bp


On 3/1/2018 8:51 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

  Yeah, it would be nice to see a ruling to stop this from happening again 
in the future... but my guess is that it's really just an empty threat, and he 
has no intention of actually suing anybody.



  On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Steve Jones  
wrote:

I think this is worth pushing to the nth. I like caselaw, fresh caselaw 
that stiffens historic caselaw. I would really like to see at the end of the 
day, the letter recipients divvying up airebeams assets with some sanctions 
against the attorneys office. We should do a gofundme in the industry for the 
recipients to afford the litigation, no settlement, no dismissal, make it get 
to a ruling.  


where johnny Cochran 


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Mathew Howard  
wrote:

  I wonder how often this kind of thing works to just scare people off 
though... I assume they'd eventually lose an actual lawsuit, but even if the 
new guys know that, there's a good chance that they're not going to want to go 
through the whole mess of getting sued, and just try to keep out of their way.


  Personally, I think asking nicely to try to avoid interfering with 
the stuff you have up would be a lot more effective...



  On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM,  wrote:

Any local judge would be preempted by FCC.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about willfully 
impeding and incumbants operations. This fcc talk os what theyre probably 
expecting the people to focus on, but thats not their target. This could be 
interesting to see play out, hopefully it does end up in court just to get 
fresh caselaw. The new operators in the area may suffer a bit if injunctions 
are in play, but if they weather it, theyll win, probably get some time and 
trouble dough in their pockets too.

On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien"  wrote:

  They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue anybody for 
anything in this country right?  

  In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC rules on 
unlicensed freqs and how a judge might interpret a case for damages due to lost 
business due to provable radio interference, may be two totally different 
situations. 

  On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you. 


Jaime Solorza

On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
 wrote:

  We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we can’t install 
over their old customers fast enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3 times what 
we are backed up.



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve 
Jones
  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet



  all you need to know about this outfit 



  " Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my Airebeam account and 
switched to another company. This company has the worst customer service. They 
also have horrible internet service. They are very unresponsive when there is 
an issue. (and if they did respond, they always blamed the router.) In my 
opinion, Greg does not take the responsibility of owning a business and 
providing quality seriously.
  Follow up note:
  When Steven (installer) contacted me to pick up equipment, he 
stated equipment that wasn't even theirs. He then proceeded to yell at me. I 
explained to him that he was never to contact me again. The owner, instead of 
finding a solution, threatened to file theft charges. I am more than happy to 
return their equipment, but I don't have to put up with their abusive 
employees."



  

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Jay Weekley]

What was your response to that threat?

Mark Radabaugh wrote:
I liked when the lieutenant at the Toledo police department called us 
up and threatened to come out and shut down our 2.4 AP’s because we 
were supposedly interfering with their ill conceived plan to use WiFi 
to communicate with police cars all over town.


Pretty laughable given that we didn’t have anything in their 
jurisdiction - or even any 2.4 in use.


Mark

On Mar 1, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:


Down south they call it "All hat, and no cattle."


bp


On 3/1/2018 8:51 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, it would be nice to see a ruling to stop this from happening 
again in the future... but my guess is that it's really just an 
empty threat, and he has no intention of actually suing anybody.


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:


I think this is worth pushing to the nth. I like caselaw, fresh
caselaw that stiffens historic caselaw. I would really like to
see at the end of the day, the letter recipients divvying up
airebeams assets with some sanctions against the attorneys
office. We should do a gofundme in the industry for the
recipients to afford the litigation, no settlement, no
dismissal, make it get to a ruling.

where johnny Cochran

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Mathew Howard
> wrote:

I wonder how often this kind of thing works to just scare
people off though... I assume they'd eventually lose an
actual lawsuit, but even if the new guys know that, there's
a good chance that they're not going to want to go through
the whole mess of getting sued, and just try to keep out of
their way.

Personally, I think asking nicely to try to avoid
interfering with the stuff you have up would be a lot more
effective...

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM, > wrote:

Any local judge would be preempted by FCC.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about
willfully impeding and incumbants operations. This fcc
talk os what theyre probably expecting the people to
focus on, but thats not their target. This could be
interesting to see play out, hopefully it does end up in
court just to get fresh caselaw. The new operators in
the area may suffer a bit if injunctions are in play,
but if they weather it, theyll win, probably get some
time and trouble dough in their pockets too.
On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien"
 wrote:

They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue
anybody for anything in this country right?
In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC
rules on unlicensed freqs and how a judge might
interpret a case for damages due to lost business
due to provable radio interference, may be two
totally different situations.
On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you.

Jaime Solorza
On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway"
 wrote:

We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and
we can’t install over their old customers
fast enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3
times what we are backed up.


Rory


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this
letter yet


all you need to know about this outfit


" Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my
Airebeam account and switched to another
company. This company has the worst customer
service. They also have horrible internet
service. They are very unresponsive when
there is an issue. (and if they did respond,
they always blamed the router.) In my
opinion, Greg does 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Keefe John]

There's a whole county in Wisconsin who's trying to get 4.9 ghz 
Mikrotik's to service mobile police cars.  They've been working on it 
for the better part of 7 years and have invested over a million dollars 
into the project.  It still doesn't work.


Keefe


On 3/1/2018 2:05 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
I liked when the lieutenant at the Toledo police department called us 
up and threatened to come out and shut down our 2.4 AP’s because we 
were supposedly interfering with their ill conceived plan to use WiFi 
to communicate with police cars all over town.


Pretty laughable given that we didn’t have anything in their 
jurisdiction - or even any 2.4 in use.


Mark

On Mar 1, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:


Down south they call it "All hat, and no cattle."


bp


On 3/1/2018 8:51 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, it would be nice to see a ruling to stop this from happening 
again in the future... but my guess is that it's really just an 
empty threat, and he has no intention of actually suing anybody.


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:


I think this is worth pushing to the nth. I like caselaw, fresh
caselaw that stiffens historic caselaw. I would really like to
see at the end of the day, the letter recipients divvying up
airebeams assets with some sanctions against the attorneys
office. We should do a gofundme in the industry for the
recipients to afford the litigation, no settlement, no
dismissal, make it get to a ruling.

where johnny Cochran

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Mathew Howard
> wrote:

I wonder how often this kind of thing works to just scare
people off though... I assume they'd eventually lose an
actual lawsuit, but even if the new guys know that, there's
a good chance that they're not going to want to go through
the whole mess of getting sued, and just try to keep out of
their way.

Personally, I think asking nicely to try to avoid
interfering with the stuff you have up would be a lot more
effective...

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM, > wrote:

Any local judge would be preempted by FCC.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about
willfully impeding and incumbants operations. This fcc
talk os what theyre probably expecting the people to
focus on, but thats not their target. This could be
interesting to see play out, hopefully it does end up in
court just to get fresh caselaw. The new operators in
the area may suffer a bit if injunctions are in play,
but if they weather it, theyll win, probably get some
time and trouble dough in their pockets too.
On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien"
 wrote:

They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue
anybody for anything in this country right?
In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC
rules on unlicensed freqs and how a judge might
interpret a case for damages due to lost business
due to provable radio interference, may be two
totally different situations.
On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you.

Jaime Solorza
On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway"
 wrote:

We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and
we can’t install over their old customers
fast enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3
times what we are backed up.


Rory


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this
letter yet


all you need to know about this outfit


" Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my
Airebeam account and switched to another
company. This company has the worst customer
service. They also have horrible internet
 

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

[Adam Moffett]

Steve strikes me as more of a Four Loko type of guy.

-- Original Message --
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/1/2018 3:04:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

Make sure you drink some really good craft beer with higher % before 
you make the call, lol


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:52 AM, Mathew Howard  
wrote:

Do it! do it!

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:23 AM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:
did somebody say have some drinks and shoot off an email? Im hearing 
"have some drinks and shoot of an email"


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:12 AM,  wrote:

I did ...

From:Keefe John
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 9:07 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

I wonder how many people emailed or called this guy now. He probably 
woke up to an inbox of hate mail.

Keefe

On March 1, 2018 9:59:21 AM CST, Kurt Fankhauser 
 wrote:
Part-15 has no first come first claim basis for rights to any 
unlicensed frequency. Is their lawyer that dumb?


On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 PM, Chuck McCown  
wrote:
I can’t remember of Steve Coran is on this list or not.  If not 
you ought to forward this to him.


From:Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:05 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

I actually tried to get my FCC attorney to agree that we could 
enforce something like this about 15 years ago.

He told me I was pissin’ in the wind.

Part 15 and the doctrine of the “law of the commons” were again 
me.


From:Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:55 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

I thought I would rename this appropriately.  WISPA needs to get 
ahead of this quickly so it doesn’t spread to every law office 
that thinks they are going to make buck intimidating their 
competitors.  2 WISPS I know in Arizona got these today.




Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542 

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net



“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”







--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Mark Radabaugh]

I liked when the lieutenant at the Toledo police department called us up and 
threatened to come out and shut down our 2.4 AP’s because we were supposedly 
interfering with their ill conceived plan to use WiFi to communicate with 
police cars all over town.   

Pretty laughable given that we didn’t have anything in their jurisdiction - or 
even any 2.4 in use.

Mark

> On Mar 1, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> Down south they call it "All hat, and no cattle."
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 3/1/2018 8:51 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>> Yeah, it would be nice to see a ruling to stop this from happening again in 
>> the future... but my guess is that it's really just an empty threat, and he 
>> has no intention of actually suing anybody.
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Steve Jones > > wrote:
>> I think this is worth pushing to the nth. I like caselaw, fresh caselaw that 
>> stiffens historic caselaw. I would really like to see at the end of the day, 
>> the letter recipients divvying up airebeams assets with some sanctions 
>> against the attorneys office. We should do a gofundme in the industry for 
>> the recipients to afford the litigation, no settlement, no dismissal, make 
>> it get to a ruling. 
>> 
>> where johnny Cochran 
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Mathew Howard > > wrote:
>> I wonder how often this kind of thing works to just scare people off 
>> though... I assume they'd eventually lose an actual lawsuit, but even if the 
>> new guys know that, there's a good chance that they're not going to want to 
>> go through the whole mess of getting sued, and just try to keep out of their 
>> way.
>> 
>> Personally, I think asking nicely to try to avoid interfering with the stuff 
>> you have up would be a lot more effective...
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM, > 
>> wrote:
>> Any local judge would be preempted by FCC. 
>>  
>> From: Steve Jones <>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
>>  
>> Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about willfully impeding and 
>> incumbants operations. This fcc talk os what theyre probably expecting the 
>> people to focus on, but thats not their target. This could be interesting to 
>> see play out, hopefully it does end up in court just to get fresh caselaw. 
>> The new operators in the area may suffer a bit if injunctions are in play, 
>> but if they weather it, theyll win, probably get some time and trouble dough 
>> in their pockets too.
>>  
>> On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien" > wrote:
>> They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue anybody for anything in 
>> this country right? 
>>  
>> In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC rules on unlicensed freqs 
>> and how a judge might interpret a case for damages due to lost business due 
>> to provable radio interference, may be two totally different situations.
>>  
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza > 
>> wrote:
>> Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you. 
>> 
>> Jaime Solorza
>>  
>> On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway" > wrote:
>> We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we can’t install over their old 
>> customers fast enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3 times what we are backed 
>> up.
>> 
>>  
>> Rory
>> 
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <>] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
>> 
>>  
>> all you need to know about this outfit
>> 
>>  
>> " Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my Airebeam account and switched to 
>> another company. This company has the worst customer service. They also have 
>> horrible internet service. They are very unresponsive when there is an 
>> issue. (and if they did respond, they always blamed the router.) In my 
>> opinion, Greg does not take the responsibility of owning a business and 
>> providing quality seriously.
>> Follow up note:
>> When Steven (installer) contacted me to pick up equipment, he stated 
>> equipment that wasn't even theirs. He then proceeded to yell at me. I 
>> explained to him that he was never to contact me again. The owner, instead 
>> of finding a solution, threatened to file theft charges. I am more than  
>>  happy to return their 
>> equipment, but I don't have to put up with their abusive employees."
>> 
>>  
>> https://www.yelp.com/biz/airebeam-arizona-city 
>> 
>>  
>> not that BBB is legit, but there is this 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Make sure you drink some really good craft beer with higher % before you
make the call, lol

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:52 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Do it! do it!
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:23 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> did somebody say have some drinks and shoot off an email? Im hearing
>> "have some drinks and shoot of an email"
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:12 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> I did ... [image: Winking smile]
>>>
>>> *From:* Keefe John
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 9:07 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>>>
>>> I wonder how many people emailed or called this guy now. He probably
>>> woke up to an inbox of hate mail.
>>> Keefe
>>>
>>> On March 1, 2018 9:59:21 AM CST, Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Part-15 has no first come first claim basis for rights to any
 unlicensed frequency. Is their lawyer that dumb?

 On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I can’t remember of Steve Coran is on this list or not.  If not you
> ought to forward this to him.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>
> I actually tried to get my FCC attorney to agree that we could enforce
> something like this about 15 years ago.
> He told me I was pissin’ in the wind.
>
> Part 15 and the doctrine of the “law of the commons” were again me.
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>
>
> I thought I would rename this appropriately.  WISPA needs to get ahead
> of this quickly so it doesn’t spread to every law office that thinks they
> are going to make buck intimidating their competitors.  2 WISPS I know in
> Arizona got these today.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net*
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
>
>
>


>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Rory Conaway]

They use a lot of Ubiquiti equipment.  Would be very hard to cut them off from 
Amazon for example.  I know they have a large inventory of M series radios 
because our guys have taken them off the roof.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 11:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

I'd like to see the vendors decide that it's not in their interest to continue 
to do business with them due to the possible liabilities...

On 03/01/2018 09:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> Down south they call it "All hat, and no cattle."
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 3/1/2018 8:51 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>> Yeah, it would be nice to see a ruling to stop this from happening 
>> again in the future... but my guess is that it's really just an empty 
>> threat, and he has no intention of actually suing anybody.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Steve Jones 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> I think this is worth pushing to the nth. I like caselaw, fresh
>> caselaw that stiffens historic caselaw. I would really like to see
>> at the end of the day, the letter recipients divvying up airebeams
>> assets with some sanctions against the attorneys office. We should
>> do a gofundme in the industry for the recipients to afford the
>> litigation, no settlement, no dismissal, make it get to a ruling.
>>
>> where johnny Cochran
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Mathew Howard
>> > wrote:
>>
>> I wonder how often this kind of thing works to just scare
>> people off though... I assume they'd eventually lose an actual
>> lawsuit, but even if the new guys know that, there's a good
>> chance that they're not going to want to go through the whole
>> mess of getting sued, and just try to keep out of their way.
>>
>> Personally, I think asking nicely to try to avoid interfering
>> with the stuff you have up would be a lot more effective...
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM, > > wrote:
>>
>> Any local judge would be preempted by FCC.
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
>> Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about
>> willfully impeding and incumbants operations. This fcc
>> talk os what theyre probably expecting the people to focus
>> on, but thats not their target. This could be interesting
>> to see play out, hopefully it does end up in court just to
>> get fresh caselaw. The new operators in the area may
>> suffer a bit if injunctions are in play, but if they
>> weather it, theyll win, probably get some time and trouble
>> dough in their pockets too.
>> On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien"
>>  wrote:
>>
>> They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue
>> anybody for anything in this country right?
>> In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC rules
>> on unlicensed freqs and how a judge might interpret a
>> case for damages due to lost business due to provable
>> radio interference, may be two totally different
>> situations.
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway"
>>  wrote:
>>
>> We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we
>> can’t install over their old customers fast
>> enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3 times
>> what we are backed up.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this 
>> letter yet
>>
>> all you need to know about this outfit
>>
>> " Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my
>> Airebeam account and switched to another
>> company. This company has the worst customer
>> service. They also 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Robert Andrews]

I'd like to see the vendors decide that it's not in their interest to 
continue to do business with them due to the possible liabilities...


On 03/01/2018 09:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Down south they call it "All hat, and no cattle."


bp


On 3/1/2018 8:51 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, it would be nice to see a ruling to stop this from happening 
again in the future... but my guess is that it's really just an empty 
threat, and he has no intention of actually suing anybody.


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:


I think this is worth pushing to the nth. I like caselaw, fresh
caselaw that stiffens historic caselaw. I would really like to see
at the end of the day, the letter recipients divvying up airebeams
assets with some sanctions against the attorneys office. We should
do a gofundme in the industry for the recipients to afford the
litigation, no settlement, no dismissal, make it get to a ruling.

where johnny Cochran

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Mathew Howard
> wrote:

I wonder how often this kind of thing works to just scare
people off though... I assume they'd eventually lose an actual
lawsuit, but even if the new guys know that, there's a good
chance that they're not going to want to go through the whole
mess of getting sued, and just try to keep out of their way.

Personally, I think asking nicely to try to avoid interfering
with the stuff you have up would be a lot more effective...

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM, > wrote:

Any local judge would be preempted by FCC.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about
willfully impeding and incumbants operations. This fcc
talk os what theyre probably expecting the people to focus
on, but thats not their target. This could be interesting
to see play out, hopefully it does end up in court just to
get fresh caselaw. The new operators in the area may
suffer a bit if injunctions are in play, but if they
weather it, theyll win, probably get some time and trouble
dough in their pockets too.
On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien"
 wrote:

They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue
anybody for anything in this country right?
In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC rules
on unlicensed freqs and how a judge might interpret a
case for damages due to lost business due to provable
radio interference, may be two totally different
situations.
On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you.

Jaime Solorza
On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway"
 wrote:

We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we
can’t install over their old customers fast
enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3 times
what we are backed up.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

all you need to know about this outfit

" Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my
Airebeam account and switched to another
company. This company has the worst customer
service. They also have horrible internet
service. They are very unresponsive when there
is an issue. (and if they did respond, they
always blamed the router.) In my opinion, Greg
does not take the responsibility of owning a
business and providing quality seriously.
Follow up note:
When Steven (installer) contacted me to pick
up equipment, he stated equipment that wasn't
even theirs. He then proceeded to yell at me.
I explained to him 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Bill Prince]

Down south they call it "All hat, and no cattle."


bp


On 3/1/2018 8:51 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, it would be nice to see a ruling to stop this from happening 
again in the future... but my guess is that it's really just an empty 
threat, and he has no intention of actually suing anybody.


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:


I think this is worth pushing to the nth. I like caselaw, fresh
caselaw that stiffens historic caselaw. I would really like to see
at the end of the day, the letter recipients divvying up airebeams
assets with some sanctions against the attorneys office. We should
do a gofundme in the industry for the recipients to afford the
litigation, no settlement, no dismissal, make it get to a ruling.

where johnny Cochran

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Mathew Howard
> wrote:

I wonder how often this kind of thing works to just scare
people off though... I assume they'd eventually lose an actual
lawsuit, but even if the new guys know that, there's a good
chance that they're not going to want to go through the whole
mess of getting sued, and just try to keep out of their way.

Personally, I think asking nicely to try to avoid interfering
with the stuff you have up would be a lot more effective...

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM, > wrote:

Any local judge would be preempted by FCC.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about
willfully impeding and incumbants operations. This fcc
talk os what theyre probably expecting the people to focus
on, but thats not their target. This could be interesting
to see play out, hopefully it does end up in court just to
get fresh caselaw. The new operators in the area may
suffer a bit if injunctions are in play, but if they
weather it, theyll win, probably get some time and trouble
dough in their pockets too.
On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien"
 wrote:

They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue
anybody for anything in this country right?
In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC rules
on unlicensed freqs and how a judge might interpret a
case for damages due to lost business due to provable
radio interference, may be two totally different
situations.
On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you.

Jaime Solorza
On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway"
 wrote:

We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we
can’t install over their old customers fast
enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3 times
what we are backed up.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

all you need to know about this outfit

" Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my
Airebeam account and switched to another
company. This company has the worst customer
service. They also have horrible internet
service. They are very unresponsive when there
is an issue. (and if they did respond, they
always blamed the router.) In my opinion, Greg
does not take the responsibility of owning a
business and providing quality seriously.
Follow up note:
When Steven (installer) contacted me to pick
up equipment, he stated equipment that wasn't
even theirs. He then proceeded to yell at me.
I explained to him that he was never to
contact me again. The owner, instead of
finding a solution, threatened to file theft

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[chuck]

It is totally an empty threat.  They are banking on your ignorance of the law 
and your risk aversion.  I would actually taunt them.  

“Bring it on MFs”.  

Make them spend some money on lawyers.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 9:51 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Yeah, it would be nice to see a ruling to stop this from happening again in the 
future... but my guess is that it's really just an empty threat, and he has no 
intention of actually suing anybody.


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:

  I think this is worth pushing to the nth. I like caselaw, fresh caselaw that 
stiffens historic caselaw. I would really like to see at the end of the day, 
the letter recipients divvying up airebeams assets with some sanctions against 
the attorneys office. We should do a gofundme in the industry for the 
recipients to afford the litigation, no settlement, no dismissal, make it get 
to a ruling.  

  where johnny Cochran 

  On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

I wonder how often this kind of thing works to just scare people off 
though... I assume they'd eventually lose an actual lawsuit, but even if the 
new guys know that, there's a good chance that they're not going to want to go 
through the whole mess of getting sued, and just try to keep out of their way.


Personally, I think asking nicely to try to avoid interfering with the 
stuff you have up would be a lot more effective...


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM,  wrote:

  Any local judge would be preempted by FCC.  

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

  Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about willfully impeding and 
incumbants operations. This fcc talk os what theyre probably expecting the 
people to focus on, but thats not their target. This could be interesting to 
see play out, hopefully it does end up in court just to get fresh caselaw. The 
new operators in the area may suffer a bit if injunctions are in play, but if 
they weather it, theyll win, probably get some time and trouble dough in their 
pockets too.

  On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien"  wrote:

They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue anybody for anything 
in this country right?  

In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC rules on unlicensed 
freqs and how a judge might interpret a case for damages due to lost business 
due to provable radio interference, may be two totally different situations. 

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

  Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you. 


  Jaime Solorza

  On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway"  
wrote:

We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we can’t install over 
their old customers fast enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3 times what we are 
backed up.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet



all you need to know about this outfit 



" Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my Airebeam account and 
switched to another company. This company has the worst customer service. They 
also have horrible internet service. They are very unresponsive when there is 
an issue. (and if they did respond, they always blamed the router.) In my 
opinion, Greg does not take the responsibility of owning a business and 
providing quality seriously.
Follow up note:
When Steven (installer) contacted me to pick up equipment, he 
stated equipment that wasn't even theirs. He then proceeded to yell at me. I 
explained to him that he was never to contact me again. The owner, instead of 
finding a solution, threatened to file theft charges. I am more than happy to 
return their equipment, but I don't have to put up with their abusive 
employees."



https://www.yelp.com/biz/airebeam-arizona-city



not that BBB is legit, but there is this 
https://www.bbb.org/phoenix/business-reviews/internet-providers/airebeam-broadband-in-arizona-city-az-133070/reviews-and-complaints



On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:45 PM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:

man, that sucks. He probably paid this lawyer too.



wouldnt it be crazy though if this was a loophole nobody thought of 
cause its too dumb to work, but we didnt take into account the level of dumb in 
the judiciary



On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Rory Conaway 
 wrote:





Two guys 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[chuck]

Ugly ass shoes...

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 9:39 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet 


He's still trying to get the glove off.


bp


On 3/1/2018 8:27 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
where johnny Cochran 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Steve Jones]

This is how they should respond to the lawyer


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> He's still trying to get the glove off.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 3/1/2018 8:27 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
>> where johnny Cochran
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

[Mathew Howard]

Do it! do it!

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:23 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> did somebody say have some drinks and shoot off an email? Im hearing "have
> some drinks and shoot of an email"
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:12 AM,  wrote:
>
>> I did ... [image: Winking smile]
>>
>> *From:* Keefe John
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 9:07 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>>
>> I wonder how many people emailed or called this guy now. He probably woke
>> up to an inbox of hate mail.
>> Keefe
>>
>> On March 1, 2018 9:59:21 AM CST, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Part-15 has no first come first claim basis for rights to any unlicensed
>>> frequency. Is their lawyer that dumb?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 I can’t remember of Steve Coran is on this list or not.  If not you
 ought to forward this to him.

 *From:* Chuck McCown
 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:05 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

 I actually tried to get my FCC attorney to agree that we could enforce
 something like this about 15 years ago.
 He told me I was pissin’ in the wind.

 Part 15 and the doctrine of the “law of the commons” were again me.

 *From:* Rory Conaway
 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:55 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors


 I thought I would rename this appropriately.  WISPA needs to get ahead
 of this quickly so it doesn’t spread to every law office that thinks they
 are going to make buck intimidating their competitors.  2 WISPS I know in
 Arizona got these today.



 *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*

 *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

 *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*

 *r...@triadwireless.net*

 *www.triadwireless.net *



 *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*



>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, it would be nice to see a ruling to stop this from happening again in
the future... but my guess is that it's really just an empty threat, and he
has no intention of actually suing anybody.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I think this is worth pushing to the nth. I like caselaw, fresh caselaw
> that stiffens historic caselaw. I would really like to see at the end of
> the day, the letter recipients divvying up airebeams assets with some
> sanctions against the attorneys office. We should do a gofundme in the
> industry for the recipients to afford the litigation, no settlement, no
> dismissal, make it get to a ruling.
>
> where johnny Cochran
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> I wonder how often this kind of thing works to just scare people off
>> though... I assume they'd eventually lose an actual lawsuit, but even if
>> the new guys know that, there's a good chance that they're not going to
>> want to go through the whole mess of getting sued, and just try to keep out
>> of their way.
>>
>> Personally, I think asking nicely to try to avoid interfering with the
>> stuff you have up would be a lot more effective...
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Any local judge would be preempted by FCC.
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
>>>
>>> Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about willfully impeding and
>>> incumbants operations. This fcc talk os what theyre probably expecting the
>>> people to focus on, but thats not their target. This could be interesting
>>> to see play out, hopefully it does end up in court just to get fresh
>>> caselaw. The new operators in the area may suffer a bit if injunctions are
>>> in play, but if they weather it, theyll win, probably get some time and
>>> trouble dough in their pockets too.
>>>
>>> On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien"  wrote:
>>>
 They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue anybody for anything
 in this country right?

 In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC rules on unlicensed
 freqs and how a judge might interpret a case for damages due to lost
 business due to provable radio interference, may be two totally different
 situations.

 On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
>
>> We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we can’t install over
>> their old customers fast enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3 times what 
>> we
>> are backed up.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
>>
>>
>>
>> all you need to know about this outfit
>>
>>
>>
>> " Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my Airebeam account and
>> switched to another company. This company has the worst customer service.
>> They also have horrible internet service. They are very unresponsive when
>> there is an issue. (and if they did respond, they always blamed the
>> router.) In my opinion, Greg does not take the responsibility of owning a
>> business and providing quality seriously.
>> Follow up note:
>> When Steven (installer) contacted me to pick up equipment, he stated
>> equipment that wasn't even theirs. He then proceeded to yell at me. I
>> explained to him that he was never to contact me again. The owner, 
>> instead
>> of finding a solution, threatened to file theft charges. I am more than
>> happy to return their equipment, but I don't have to put up with their
>> abusive employees."
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.yelp.com/biz/airebeam-arizona-city
>>
>>
>>
>> not that BBB is legit, but there is this
>> https://www.bbb.org/phoenix/business-reviews/internet-provid
>> ers/airebeam-broadband-in-arizona-city-az-133070/reviews
>> -and-complaints
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:45 PM, Steve Jones <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> man, that sucks. He probably paid this lawyer too.
>>
>>
>>
>> wouldnt it be crazy though if this was a loophole nobody thought of
>> cause its too dumb to work, but we didnt take into account the level of
>> dumb in the judiciary
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Two 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Bill Prince]

He's still trying to get the glove off.


bp


On 3/1/2018 8:27 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
where johnny Cochran 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Steve Jones]

I think this is worth pushing to the nth. I like caselaw, fresh caselaw
that stiffens historic caselaw. I would really like to see at the end of
the day, the letter recipients divvying up airebeams assets with some
sanctions against the attorneys office. We should do a gofundme in the
industry for the recipients to afford the litigation, no settlement, no
dismissal, make it get to a ruling.

where johnny Cochran

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I wonder how often this kind of thing works to just scare people off
> though... I assume they'd eventually lose an actual lawsuit, but even if
> the new guys know that, there's a good chance that they're not going to
> want to go through the whole mess of getting sued, and just try to keep out
> of their way.
>
> Personally, I think asking nicely to try to avoid interfering with the
> stuff you have up would be a lot more effective...
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Any local judge would be preempted by FCC.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
>>
>> Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about willfully impeding and
>> incumbants operations. This fcc talk os what theyre probably expecting the
>> people to focus on, but thats not their target. This could be interesting
>> to see play out, hopefully it does end up in court just to get fresh
>> caselaw. The new operators in the area may suffer a bit if injunctions are
>> in play, but if they weather it, theyll win, probably get some time and
>> trouble dough in their pockets too.
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien"  wrote:
>>
>>> They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue anybody for anything
>>> in this country right?
>>>
>>> In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC rules on unlicensed
>>> freqs and how a judge might interpret a case for damages due to lost
>>> business due to provable radio interference, may be two totally different
>>> situations.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza >> > wrote:
>>>
 Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you.

 Jaime Solorza

 On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we can’t install over
> their old customers fast enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3 times what 
> we
> are backed up.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
>
>
>
> all you need to know about this outfit
>
>
>
> " Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my Airebeam account and switched
> to another company. This company has the worst customer service. They also
> have horrible internet service. They are very unresponsive when there is 
> an
> issue. (and if they did respond, they always blamed the router.) In my
> opinion, Greg does not take the responsibility of owning a business and
> providing quality seriously.
> Follow up note:
> When Steven (installer) contacted me to pick up equipment, he stated
> equipment that wasn't even theirs. He then proceeded to yell at me. I
> explained to him that he was never to contact me again. The owner, instead
> of finding a solution, threatened to file theft charges. I am more than
> happy to return their equipment, but I don't have to put up with their
> abusive employees."
>
>
>
> https://www.yelp.com/biz/airebeam-arizona-city
>
>
>
> not that BBB is legit, but there is this
> https://www.bbb.org/phoenix/business-reviews/internet-provid
> ers/airebeam-broadband-in-arizona-city-az-133070/reviews
> -and-complaints
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:45 PM, Steve Jones <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> man, that sucks. He probably paid this lawyer too.
>
>
>
> wouldnt it be crazy though if this was a loophole nobody thought of
> cause its too dumb to work, but we didnt take into account the level of
> dumb in the judiciary
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just
> fishing.  I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an
> inquiry to the Attorney General’s office tomorrow.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37
> th Street •
> Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

[Steve Jones]

did somebody say have some drinks and shoot off an email? Im hearing "have
some drinks and shoot of an email"

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:12 AM,  wrote:

> I did ... [image: Winking smile]
>
> *From:* Keefe John
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 9:07 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>
> I wonder how many people emailed or called this guy now. He probably woke
> up to an inbox of hate mail.
> Keefe
>
> On March 1, 2018 9:59:21 AM CST, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>>
>> Part-15 has no first come first claim basis for rights to any unlicensed
>> frequency. Is their lawyer that dumb?
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> I can’t remember of Steve Coran is on this list or not.  If not you
>>> ought to forward this to him.
>>>
>>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:05 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>>>
>>> I actually tried to get my FCC attorney to agree that we could enforce
>>> something like this about 15 years ago.
>>> He told me I was pissin’ in the wind.
>>>
>>> Part 15 and the doctrine of the “law of the commons” were again me.
>>>
>>> *From:* Rory Conaway
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:55 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>>>
>>>
>>> I thought I would rename this appropriately.  WISPA needs to get ahead
>>> of this quickly so it doesn’t spread to every law office that thinks they
>>> are going to make buck intimidating their competitors.  2 WISPS I know in
>>> Arizona got these today.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>>
>>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>>
>>> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>>>
>>> *r...@triadwireless.net*
>>>
>>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>

[AFMUG] changing lomina intercace to integra OMT interface

[Steve Jones]

We have two of these
SAF Arkivator 11GHz D11ADMK01

LEAX OMT mounting kit for Andrew 11GHz VHLP(X) antenna
On a 3' and a 4' antenna that currently has a lumina mount.


I havent been able to find instructions anywhere to remove the lumina mount
and install this thing in its place, there is what appears to be a support
bracket also.

Anybody done this before and have some advice?

This is going down sunday, its our primary backhaul to our good provider,
we have to do it live and there is no 5ghz backup solution. Our service
"should" fail over to our backup provider, that "may" support the network
load (sunday at 2pm is our lowest daytime use) but I doubt it going to go
that smooth.

Im going in blind ad I dont even know if there are specific tools required
to remove the lumina mount, and this 2+0 integra is like 3 billion pounds

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Mathew Howard]

I wonder how often this kind of thing works to just scare people off
though... I assume they'd eventually lose an actual lawsuit, but even if
the new guys know that, there's a good chance that they're not going to
want to go through the whole mess of getting sued, and just try to keep out
of their way.

Personally, I think asking nicely to try to avoid interfering with the
stuff you have up would be a lot more effective...

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM,  wrote:

> Any local judge would be preempted by FCC.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
>
> Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about willfully impeding and
> incumbants operations. This fcc talk os what theyre probably expecting the
> people to focus on, but thats not their target. This could be interesting
> to see play out, hopefully it does end up in court just to get fresh
> caselaw. The new operators in the area may suffer a bit if injunctions are
> in play, but if they weather it, theyll win, probably get some time and
> trouble dough in their pockets too.
>
> On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien"  wrote:
>
>> They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue anybody for anything
>> in this country right?
>>
>> In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC rules on unlicensed freqs
>> and how a judge might interpret a case for damages due to lost business due
>> to provable radio interference, may be two totally different situations.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you.
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>>>
 We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we can’t install over their
 old customers fast enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3 times what we are
 backed up.



 Rory



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet



 all you need to know about this outfit



 " Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my Airebeam account and switched
 to another company. This company has the worst customer service. They also
 have horrible internet service. They are very unresponsive when there is an
 issue. (and if they did respond, they always blamed the router.) In my
 opinion, Greg does not take the responsibility of owning a business and
 providing quality seriously.
 Follow up note:
 When Steven (installer) contacted me to pick up equipment, he stated
 equipment that wasn't even theirs. He then proceeded to yell at me. I
 explained to him that he was never to contact me again. The owner, instead
 of finding a solution, threatened to file theft charges. I am more than
 happy to return their equipment, but I don't have to put up with their
 abusive employees."



 https://www.yelp.com/biz/airebeam-arizona-city



 not that BBB is legit, but there is this https://www.bbb.org/phoenix/
 business-reviews/internet-providers/airebeam-broadband-in-
 arizona-city-az-133070/reviews-and-complaints



 On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:45 PM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:

 man, that sucks. He probably paid this lawyer too.



 wouldnt it be crazy though if this was a loophole nobody thought of
 cause its too dumb to work, but we didnt take into account the level of
 dumb in the judiciary



 On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Rory Conaway 
 wrote:





 Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just
 fishing.  I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an
 inquiry to the Attorney General’s office tomorrow.



 *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*

 *4226 S. 37
 th Street •
 Phoenix • AZ 85040*

 *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*

 *r...@triadwireless.net*

 *www.triadwireless.net *



 *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*







>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

[chuck]

I did ... 

From: Keefe John 
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 9:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

I wonder how many people emailed or called this guy now. He probably woke up to 
an inbox of hate mail.
Keefe


On March 1, 2018 9:59:21 AM CST, Kurt Fankhauser  
wrote: 
  Part-15 has no first come first claim basis for rights to any unlicensed 
frequency. Is their lawyer that dumb?

  On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I can’t remember of Steve Coran is on this list or not.  If not you ought 
to forward this to him.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

I actually tried to get my FCC attorney to agree that we could enforce 
something like this about 15 years ago.
He told me I was pissin’ in the wind.  

Part 15 and the doctrine of the “law of the commons” were again me.  

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

I thought I would rename this appropriately.  WISPA needs to get ahead of 
this quickly so it doesn’t spread to every law office that thinks they are 
going to make buck intimidating their competitors.  2 WISPS I know in Arizona 
got these today.



Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net



“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”





-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

[chuck]

Some of the law covering this situation goes back centuries dealing with 
fishing and grazing rights.  

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 8:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

Part-15 has no first come first claim basis for rights to any unlicensed 
frequency. Is their lawyer that dumb?

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I can’t remember of Steve Coran is on this list or not.  If not you ought to 
forward this to him.  

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:05 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

  I actually tried to get my FCC attorney to agree that we could enforce 
something like this about 15 years ago.
  He told me I was pissin’ in the wind.  

  Part 15 and the doctrine of the “law of the commons” were again me.  

  From: Rory Conaway 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:55 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

  I thought I would rename this appropriately.  WISPA needs to get ahead of 
this quickly so it doesn’t spread to every law office that thinks they are 
going to make buck intimidating their competitors.  2 WISPS I know in Arizona 
got these today.



  Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

  4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

  602-426-0542

  r...@triadwireless.net

  www.triadwireless.net



  “Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

[Keefe John]

I wonder how many people emailed or called this guy now. He probably woke up to 
an inbox of hate mail.
Keefe

On March 1, 2018 9:59:21 AM CST, Kurt Fankhauser  
wrote:
>Part-15 has no first come first claim basis for rights to any
>unlicensed
>frequency. Is their lawyer that dumb?
>
>On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I can’t remember of Steve Coran is on this list or not.  If not you
>ought
>> to forward this to him.
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:05 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>>
>> I actually tried to get my FCC attorney to agree that we could
>enforce
>> something like this about 15 years ago.
>> He told me I was pissin’ in the wind.
>>
>> Part 15 and the doctrine of the “law of the commons” were again me.
>>
>> *From:* Rory Conaway
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:55 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>>
>>
>> I thought I would rename this appropriately.  WISPA needs to get
>ahead of
>> this quickly so it doesn’t spread to every law office that thinks
>they are
>> going to make buck intimidating their competitors.  2 WISPS I know in
>> Arizona got these today.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net*
>>
>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>
>>
>>
>> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
>>
>>
>>

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Part-15 has no first come first claim basis for rights to any unlicensed
frequency. Is their lawyer that dumb?

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I can’t remember of Steve Coran is on this list or not.  If not you ought
> to forward this to him.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>
> I actually tried to get my FCC attorney to agree that we could enforce
> something like this about 15 years ago.
> He told me I was pissin’ in the wind.
>
> Part 15 and the doctrine of the “law of the commons” were again me.
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>
>
> I thought I would rename this appropriately.  WISPA needs to get ahead of
> this quickly so it doesn’t spread to every law office that thinks they are
> going to make buck intimidating their competitors.  2 WISPS I know in
> Arizona got these today.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net*
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[chuck]

Any local judge would be preempted by FCC.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about willfully impeding and 
incumbants operations. This fcc talk os what theyre probably expecting the 
people to focus on, but thats not their target. This could be interesting to 
see play out, hopefully it does end up in court just to get fresh caselaw. The 
new operators in the area may suffer a bit if injunctions are in play, but if 
they weather it, theyll win, probably get some time and trouble dough in their 
pockets too.

On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien"  wrote:

  They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue anybody for anything in 
this country right?  

  In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC rules on unlicensed freqs and 
how a judge might interpret a case for damages due to lost business due to 
provable radio interference, may be two totally different situations. 

  On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you. 


Jaime Solorza

On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

  We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we can’t install over their 
old customers fast enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3 times what we are 
backed up.



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet



  all you need to know about this outfit 



  " Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my Airebeam account and switched to 
another company. This company has the worst customer service. They also have 
horrible internet service. They are very unresponsive when there is an issue. 
(and if they did respond, they always blamed the router.) In my opinion, Greg 
does not take the responsibility of owning a business and providing quality 
seriously.
  Follow up note:
  When Steven (installer) contacted me to pick up equipment, he stated 
equipment that wasn't even theirs. He then proceeded to yell at me. I explained 
to him that he was never to contact me again. The owner, instead of finding a 
solution, threatened to file theft charges. I am more than happy to return 
their equipment, but I don't have to put up with their abusive employees."



  https://www.yelp.com/biz/airebeam-arizona-city



  not that BBB is legit, but there is this 
https://www.bbb.org/phoenix/business-reviews/internet-providers/airebeam-broadband-in-arizona-city-az-133070/reviews-and-complaints



  On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:45 PM, Steve Jones  
wrote:

  man, that sucks. He probably paid this lawyer too.



  wouldnt it be crazy though if this was a loophole nobody thought of cause 
its too dumb to work, but we didnt take into account the level of dumb in the 
judiciary



  On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Rory Conaway  
wrote:





  Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just 
fishing.  I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an 
inquiry to the Attorney General’s office tomorrow.



  Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

  4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

  602-426-0542

  r...@triadwireless.net

  www.triadwireless.net



  “Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”

Re: [AFMUG] OT Security fence

[Bill Prince]

You know the rule. Pick two.


bp


On 2/28/2018 3:39 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

All of the below.  Just don’t want to spend $25K for 1300 feet of fence.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Security fence
So are you looking for cheaper, more secure, or best value?
No sane person would try to breach concertina wire.
https://www.google.com/search?q=concertina+wire=lnms=shop=X=0ahUKEwjYjrv808nZAhVElJQKHX33B_AQ_AUICygC=1536=759#spd=3258212414157725779
Cheap and easy enough for a grunt to install.
https://survivalblog.com/constructing-a-triple-strand-concertina-wire-obstacle-by-cpt-blackfox/
Just a thought.
-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/28/2018 1:15:34 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Security fence
I need a security fence on some property where I store equipment and 
vehicles.

Got a quote from a fence company.
About $20/foot or more.  That was for chain link with barbed wire at 
the top and a couple of fancy gates.
Camp Williams (Utah Natl Guard) and the nearby NSA facility has a 
fence made primarily out of hog wire.

It looks to be about 7’ tall and super t bar fence posts.
Then there are other fences that look like they are using some form 
of mini galvanized I beam. Those are chain link.
Looking for options.  If someone is hell bent on climbing a fence, 
the difference between chain link and hog wire is not much.
Chain link is much more difficult to cut and slightly more difficult 
to climb.

Opinions?

Re: [AFMUG] unsubscribe

[Paul McCall]

Richard,

Nobody has ever had that problem to my knowledge (failure to unsubscribe)

My main tech has been out for a bit, but I will have him look this AM

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pedersen
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 6:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] unsubscribe

How do I get off this list?  I have done everything possible to no avail  
Emailing the operators of this list doesn't get any response. the unsubscribe 
doesn't work either.  I have been trying for 2 weeks this is a last ditch effort

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Darin Steffl]

We have a competitor that sent a somewhat similar letter up here in
Minnesota. We ignored the letter and nothing happened. They also had such
poor reviews on Facebook that they turned them off.

They also yell at their customers and blame them for everything even when
it's the ISP's fault.

We are taking their customers.

End of story.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:44 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Merca! Its what we do since we arent allowed to beat our wives anymore.
>
> On Mar 1, 2018 8:28 AM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:
>
>> On 3/1/18 6:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about willfully impeding and
>>> incumbants operations. This fcc talk os what theyre probably expecting the
>>> people to focus on, but thats not their target. This could be interesting
>>> to see play out, hopefully it does end up in court just to get fresh
>>> caselaw. The new operators in the area may suffer a bit if injunctions are
>>> in play, but if they weather it, theyll win, probably get some time and
>>> trouble dough in their pockets too.
>>>
>>
>>
>> What is it with companies that are such shitholes that they have nothing
>> but to threaten and intimidate?
>>
>


-- 
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Steve Jones]

Merca! Its what we do since we arent allowed to beat our wives anymore.

On Mar 1, 2018 8:28 AM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:

> On 3/1/18 6:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
>> Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about willfully impeding and
>> incumbants operations. This fcc talk os what theyre probably expecting the
>> people to focus on, but thats not their target. This could be interesting
>> to see play out, hopefully it does end up in court just to get fresh
>> caselaw. The new operators in the area may suffer a bit if injunctions are
>> in play, but if they weather it, theyll win, probably get some time and
>> trouble dough in their pockets too.
>>
>
>
> What is it with companies that are such shitholes that they have nothing
> but to threaten and intimidate?
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/1/18 6:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about willfully impeding and 
incumbants operations. This fcc talk os what theyre probably expecting 
the people to focus on, but thats not their target. This could be 
interesting to see play out, hopefully it does end up in court just to 
get fresh caselaw. The new operators in the area may suffer a bit if 
injunctions are in play, but if they weather it, theyll win, probably 
get some time and trouble dough in their pockets too.



What is it with companies that are such shitholes that they have nothing 
but to threaten and intimidate?

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Steve Jones]

Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about willfully impeding and
incumbants operations. This fcc talk os what theyre probably expecting the
people to focus on, but thats not their target. This could be interesting
to see play out, hopefully it does end up in court just to get fresh
caselaw. The new operators in the area may suffer a bit if injunctions are
in play, but if they weather it, theyll win, probably get some time and
trouble dough in their pockets too.

On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien"  wrote:

> They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue anybody for anything in
> this country right?
>
> In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC rules on unlicensed freqs
> and how a judge might interpret a case for damages due to lost business due
> to provable radio interference, may be two totally different situations.
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>>
>>> We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we can’t install over their
>>> old customers fast enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3 times what we are
>>> backed up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> all you need to know about this outfit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> " Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my Airebeam account and switched
>>> to another company. This company has the worst customer service. They also
>>> have horrible internet service. They are very unresponsive when there is an
>>> issue. (and if they did respond, they always blamed the router.) In my
>>> opinion, Greg does not take the responsibility of owning a business and
>>> providing quality seriously.
>>> Follow up note:
>>> When Steven (installer) contacted me to pick up equipment, he stated
>>> equipment that wasn't even theirs. He then proceeded to yell at me. I
>>> explained to him that he was never to contact me again. The owner, instead
>>> of finding a solution, threatened to file theft charges. I am more than
>>> happy to return their equipment, but I don't have to put up with their
>>> abusive employees."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.yelp.com/biz/airebeam-arizona-city
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> not that BBB is legit, but there is this https://www.bbb.org/phoen
>>> ix/business-reviews/internet-providers/airebeam-broadband-in
>>> -arizona-city-az-133070/reviews-and-complaints
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:45 PM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> man, that sucks. He probably paid this lawyer too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> wouldnt it be crazy though if this was a loophole nobody thought of
>>> cause its too dumb to work, but we didnt take into account the level of
>>> dumb in the judiciary
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Rory Conaway 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just
>>> fishing.  I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an
>>> inquiry to the Attorney General’s office tomorrow.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>>
>>> *4226 S. 37
>>> th Street •
>>> Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>>
>>> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>>>
>>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>>
>>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Chris Fabien]

They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue anybody for anything in
this country right?

In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC rules on unlicensed freqs
and how a judge might interpret a case for damages due to lost business due
to provable radio interference, may be two totally different situations.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
>> We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we can’t install over their
>> old customers fast enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3 times what we are
>> backed up.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
>>
>>
>>
>> all you need to know about this outfit
>>
>>
>>
>> " Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my Airebeam account and switched to
>> another company. This company has the worst customer service. They also
>> have horrible internet service. They are very unresponsive when there is an
>> issue. (and if they did respond, they always blamed the router.) In my
>> opinion, Greg does not take the responsibility of owning a business and
>> providing quality seriously.
>> Follow up note:
>> When Steven (installer) contacted me to pick up equipment, he stated
>> equipment that wasn't even theirs. He then proceeded to yell at me. I
>> explained to him that he was never to contact me again. The owner, instead
>> of finding a solution, threatened to file theft charges. I am more than
>> happy to return their equipment, but I don't have to put up with their
>> abusive employees."
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.yelp.com/biz/airebeam-arizona-city
>>
>>
>>
>> not that BBB is legit, but there is this https://www.bbb.org/phoen
>> ix/business-reviews/internet-providers/airebeam-broadband-
>> in-arizona-city-az-133070/reviews-and-complaints
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:45 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> man, that sucks. He probably paid this lawyer too.
>>
>>
>>
>> wouldnt it be crazy though if this was a loophole nobody thought of cause
>> its too dumb to work, but we didnt take into account the level of dumb in
>> the judiciary
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just
>> fishing.  I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an
>> inquiry to the Attorney General’s office tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37
>> th Street •
>> Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>
>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>
>>
>>
>> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Jaime Solorza]

Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you.

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we can’t install over their
> old customers fast enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3 times what we are
> backed up.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
>
>
>
> all you need to know about this outfit
>
>
>
> " Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my Airebeam account and switched to
> another company. This company has the worst customer service. They also
> have horrible internet service. They are very unresponsive when there is an
> issue. (and if they did respond, they always blamed the router.) In my
> opinion, Greg does not take the responsibility of owning a business and
> providing quality seriously.
> Follow up note:
> When Steven (installer) contacted me to pick up equipment, he stated
> equipment that wasn't even theirs. He then proceeded to yell at me. I
> explained to him that he was never to contact me again. The owner, instead
> of finding a solution, threatened to file theft charges. I am more than
> happy to return their equipment, but I don't have to put up with their
> abusive employees."
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> https://www.yelp.com/biz/airebeam-arizona-city
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> not that BBB is legit, but there is this https://www.bbb.org/
> phoenix/business-reviews/internet-providers/airebeam-
> broadband-in-arizona-city-az-133070/reviews-and-complaints
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> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:45 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
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> man, that sucks. He probably paid this lawyer too.
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> wouldnt it be crazy though if this was a loophole nobody thought of cause
> its too dumb to work, but we didnt take into account the level of dumb in
> the judiciary
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> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
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> Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just
> fishing.  I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an
> inquiry to the Attorney General’s office tomorrow.
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>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
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> Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
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> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
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> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
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