Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

[Adam Moffett]

Someone remind me again why I have my own recursive DNS.


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/2/2018 3:22:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

Yes, bunch of discussions over the past few days on NANOG and some of 
the vendor mailing lists.


On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 2:21 PM Travis Johnson  wrote:

https://gizmodo.com/how-to-speed-up-your-internet-and-protect-your-privacy-1824256587

Faster and more private than Google or others. :)

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 25 on metal building

[Steve Jones]

imho, 120 foot of 25g may be cost effective today but full of regret down
the road, unless youre meticulous about inspecting and building to rohn
spec. theyre super easy to twist, very prone to the bolt holes wallowing
out, and if your drainage isnt right, they love to have blowouts. dont
skimp on the guy brackets and just loop the leg, thats effectively
installing a saw. im personally terrified of 25g over 50 foot, its so cheap
people skimp on both upfront build and maintenance. I know this, i put in
enough of them incorrectly before i knew better. there are margins in the
spec, but thats for your safety.
calculate out the value of the farmland you lose over the anticipated life
of the tower, you might find you have alot more budget for an appropriate
self supporter

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 10:53 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> I've always done 80% of the height for the farthest distance of the guy
> wires.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 9:55 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> So you guys convinced me to build on the dirt, much easier. Now what is
>> the smallest span of guys I can get away with? I want to do 12 sections of
>> 25G and I can guy it 3 or 4 times, I'm assuming 4 is better. I really want
>> to keep the guys in as close as possible to save the valuable farming space
>> I have, so what is the guy span from the tower base that would be
>> recommended ? "how low can i go?" (without making any safety issues, this
>> tower will only have 4 sectors and a 2ft dish at 40ft).
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> TJ
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 3:32 AM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would tell you that you are waisting money. 2 sections are going to
>>> cost you a lot less and be a better long term solution than mounting a
>>> tower on a building. You can use a house bracket near the top depending on
>>> your building design and start your guy calculations from that point.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 9:22 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>
 I'm building a 40x40 or possibly 50x60 steel building. I would like to
 install a guyed 25g on the peak (about 20ft peak from ground level with
 16ft walls)

 If I guy off 4 times how high can I go?

 Any way to do 100ft or ten sections ? I'm assuming my guy span isn't
 far out enough.

 I know what's on the drawings but I am looking for some real world
 feedback

 Thank you very much

 TJ

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

[Steve Jones]

im guessing just prior to the new rules going into effect, the fcc will
hammer every illegal operator out there to clean house, that will be a
joyous day.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 8:40 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

> So what was the purpose of purchasing licenses today?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish
> *Sent:* Monday, April 2, 2018 2:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration
>
>
>
> Actually, to get grandfathering protection when the CBRS band opens up,
> you had to re-register in a new "clean" database by August 7th, 2016.  Here
> is a list of those who obtained Grandfathering Protection.
> https://opendata.fcc.gov/Wireless/ULS-3650-Locations-
> Default-View/dpvg-tvcx
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> -[image: BaiCells_Tiny3]-
>
> Rick Harnish
>
>
>
> Director of WISP Markets
>
>
>
> Baicells Technologies North America, Inc. 
>
> Mobile:  (260) 307-4000
>
>
>
> rick.harn...@na.baicells.com
>
> www.facebook.com/baicells
>
>
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> -[image: BaiCells_Tiny3]-
>
> Rick Harnish
>
>
>
> Director of WISP Markets
>
>
>
> Baicells Technologies North America, Inc. 
>
> Mobile:  (260) 307-4000
>
>
>
> rick.harn...@na.baicells.com
>
> www.facebook.com/baicells
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, April 2, 2018 10:29 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration
>
>
>
> If you do an ABAB channel plan, you can do four sectors per tower on 20mhz
> channels using GPS sync, but that pretty much gives you no room to work
> with if you into interference, so in practice, more using larger that 10mhz
> channels probably isn't going to be realistic long term for most of us.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 8:23 AM, Dave  wrote:
>
> 50Mhz is not a lot of room for even 2 providers in a county wide area.
> Because customer wants 4k tv to work so either 15mhz or 20mhz wide
> channel spacing is needed how many channels can be squeezed out of that
> including reuse with gps?
> Scaling can become a major problem as well for both neighbors. Just
> another band turned to crap after everyone becomes a wisp in your area.
>
> Medusa save us from the nether regions of UHD4k LOL
>
> On 04/01/2018 11:01 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> The problem is that it was impractical to register every subscriber
> location.  I registered 60 locations one night and it took me several
> hours.  There was no way I was going to invest that much labor into
> registrations.  They needed both a bulk registration method and to make
> their registration page respond faster.
>
>
>
>
>
> That said, I have had coordination conversations with another registrant.
> It was friendly, but it was only marginally productive.  We were not able
> to agree on TDD ratios or a plan for dividing the available 50mhz, so
> basically we kept doing our own thing and resolving interference cases
> individually as they came up.  It sounds like some of you have bad
> neighbors.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Mathew Howard" 
>
> To: "af" 
>
> Sent: 3/31/2018 9:48:52 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration
>
>
>
> From what I've seen, most people are just registering every radio for the
> entire 50mhz, so it's not like you can use the information in the database
> to actually coordinate anything (and I think that really is the best option
> in the current climate, since there's a good chance your going to have to
> change channels at some point because of newcomers to the area)... then
> there are also the people that never bother to register anything, or
> register a few radios and then give up because it's too much work...
>
>
>
> I'm aware of at least four other companies in our general area that have
> AP/base stations registered, but last I checked only one of them had any
> customer locations registered... for some reason, a lot of people seem to
> be under the Impression that you only need to register the AP (or eNB, in
> LTE speak), but that's not the case and never was - everything is supposed
> to be registered (there is an exception for mobile devices, but that
> doesn't apply to anything a WISP would be using).
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 6:05 PM, David Coudron <
> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>
> You need to register the stations, but there is no requirement to
> coordinate.   However, depending on how many folks are in your area it
> still might be a good idea to make sure they are up to date on all their
> registrations.   Sometimes we find folks don’t always update their
> information on the FCC site and you can still run into interference.   If
> there are too many folks in the area, it is easier to find open channels
> and then register.
>
>
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 31, 2018 1:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *

Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 25 on metal building

[Chuck Hogg]

I've always done 80% of the height for the farthest distance of the guy
wires.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 9:55 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> So you guys convinced me to build on the dirt, much easier. Now what is
> the smallest span of guys I can get away with? I want to do 12 sections of
> 25G and I can guy it 3 or 4 times, I'm assuming 4 is better. I really want
> to keep the guys in as close as possible to save the valuable farming space
> I have, so what is the guy span from the tower base that would be
> recommended ? "how low can i go?" (without making any safety issues, this
> tower will only have 4 sectors and a 2ft dish at 40ft).
>
> Thanks,
>
> TJ
>
> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 3:32 AM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> I would tell you that you are waisting money. 2 sections are going to
>> cost you a lot less and be a better long term solution than mounting a
>> tower on a building. You can use a house bracket near the top depending on
>> your building design and start your guy calculations from that point.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 9:22 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm building a 40x40 or possibly 50x60 steel building. I would like to
>>> install a guyed 25g on the peak (about 20ft peak from ground level with
>>> 16ft walls)
>>>
>>> If I guy off 4 times how high can I go?
>>>
>>> Any way to do 100ft or ten sections ? I'm assuming my guy span isn't far
>>> out enough.
>>>
>>> I know what's on the drawings but I am looking for some real world
>>> feedback
>>>
>>> Thank you very much
>>>
>>> TJ
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

[Mathew Howard]

Because it's currently illegal to operate a 3.65ghz radio without a
license... but it's also against the rules to operate a radio that's not
registered, and most people don't seem care too much about that, so I'm not
really sure why they bother with the license.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 8:40 PM Rory Conaway  wrote:

> So what was the purpose of purchasing licenses today?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish
> *Sent:* Monday, April 2, 2018 2:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration
>
>
>
> Actually, to get grandfathering protection when the CBRS band opens up,
> you had to re-register in a new "clean" database by August 7th, 2016.  Here
> is a list of those who obtained Grandfathering Protection.
> https://opendata.fcc.gov/Wireless/ULS-3650-Locations-Default-View/dpvg-tvcx
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> -[image: BaiCells_Tiny3]-
>
> Rick Harnish
>
>
>
> Director of WISP Markets
>
>
>
> Baicells Technologies North America, Inc. 
>
> Mobile:  (260) 307-4000
>
>
>
> rick.harn...@na.baicells.com
>
> www.facebook.com/baicells
>
>
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> -[image: BaiCells_Tiny3]-
>
> Rick Harnish
>
>
>
> Director of WISP Markets
>
>
>
> Baicells Technologies North America, Inc. 
>
> Mobile:  (260) 307-4000
>
>
>
> rick.harn...@na.baicells.com
>
> www.facebook.com/baicells
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, April 2, 2018 10:29 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration
>
>
>
> If you do an ABAB channel plan, you can do four sectors per tower on 20mhz
> channels using GPS sync, but that pretty much gives you no room to work
> with if you into interference, so in practice, more using larger that 10mhz
> channels probably isn't going to be realistic long term for most of us.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 8:23 AM, Dave  wrote:
>
> 50Mhz is not a lot of room for even 2 providers in a county wide area.
> Because customer wants 4k tv to work so either 15mhz or 20mhz wide
> channel spacing is needed how many channels can be squeezed out of that
> including reuse with gps?
> Scaling can become a major problem as well for both neighbors. Just
> another band turned to crap after everyone becomes a wisp in your area.
>
> Medusa save us from the nether regions of UHD4k LOL
>
> On 04/01/2018 11:01 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> The problem is that it was impractical to register every subscriber
> location.  I registered 60 locations one night and it took me several
> hours.  There was no way I was going to invest that much labor into
> registrations.  They needed both a bulk registration method and to make
> their registration page respond faster.
>
>
>
>
>
> That said, I have had coordination conversations with another registrant.
> It was friendly, but it was only marginally productive.  We were not able
> to agree on TDD ratios or a plan for dividing the available 50mhz, so
> basically we kept doing our own thing and resolving interference cases
> individually as they came up.  It sounds like some of you have bad
> neighbors.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Mathew Howard" 
>
> To: "af" 
>
> Sent: 3/31/2018 9:48:52 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration
>
>
>
> From what I've seen, most people are just registering every radio for the
> entire 50mhz, so it's not like you can use the information in the database
> to actually coordinate anything (and I think that really is the best option
> in the current climate, since there's a good chance your going to have to
> change channels at some point because of newcomers to the area)... then
> there are also the people that never bother to register anything, or
> register a few radios and then give up because it's too much work...
>
>
>
> I'm aware of at least four other companies in our general area that have
> AP/base stations registered, but last I checked only one of them had any
> customer locations registered... for some reason, a lot of people seem to
> be under the Impression that you only need to register the AP (or eNB, in
> LTE speak), but that's not the case and never was - everything is supposed
> to be registered (there is an exception for mobile devices, but that
> doesn't apply to anything a WISP would be using).
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 6:05 PM, David Coudron <
> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>
> You need to register the stations, but there is no requirement to
> coordinate.   However, depending on how many folks are in your area it
> still might be a good idea to make sure they are up to date on all their
> registrations.   Sometimes we find folks don’t always update their
> information on the FCC site and you can still run into interference.   If
> there are too many folks in the area, it is easier to find open channels
> and then register.
>
>
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux powerinjector input rating?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Shouldn't be a problem, just make sure the radios don't expect positive
ground.  (Aka -48).   Many of the newer ones are isolated, some of the
olders tie the positive side of the rails to ground.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 5:20 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 4/2/18 3:49 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> > No need to split, it's designed for that amperage on either input.
> >
> > With that in mind I might be inclined to recommend you split it if you
> > can easily,  just because lower currents through connectors and traces
> > reduce losses.
>
>
> Yeah, I can put two ports on A and two on B no problem, I am planning to
> use it to power some licensed gear up to around 70 watts.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

[Seth Mattinen]

On 4/2/18 6:40 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:

So what was the purpose of purchasing licenses today?



To follow the rules, such as they are.

Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 25 on metal building

[TJ Trout]

So you guys convinced me to build on the dirt, much easier. Now what is the
smallest span of guys I can get away with? I want to do 12 sections of 25G
and I can guy it 3 or 4 times, I'm assuming 4 is better. I really want to
keep the guys in as close as possible to save the valuable farming space I
have, so what is the guy span from the tower base that would be recommended
? "how low can i go?" (without making any safety issues, this tower will
only have 4 sectors and a 2ft dish at 40ft).

Thanks,

TJ

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 3:32 AM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I would tell you that you are waisting money. 2 sections are going to cost
> you a lot less and be a better long term solution than mounting a tower on
> a building. You can use a house bracket near the top depending on your
> building design and start your guy calculations from that point.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 9:22 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> I'm building a 40x40 or possibly 50x60 steel building. I would like to
>> install a guyed 25g on the peak (about 20ft peak from ground level with
>> 16ft walls)
>>
>> If I guy off 4 times how high can I go?
>>
>> Any way to do 100ft or ten sections ? I'm assuming my guy span isn't far
>> out enough.
>>
>> I know what's on the drawings but I am looking for some real world
>> feedback
>>
>> Thank you very much
>>
>> TJ
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

[Rory Conaway]

So what was the purpose of purchasing licenses today?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 2:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration


Actually, to get grandfathering protection when the CBRS band opens up, you had 
to re-register in a new "clean" database by August 7th, 2016.  Here is a list 
of those who obtained Grandfathering Protection.  
https://opendata.fcc.gov/Wireless/ULS-3650-Locations-Default-View/dpvg-tvcx


Respectfully,

-[BaiCells_Tiny3]-
Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies North America, Inc.
Mobile:  (260) 307-4000

rick.harn...@na.baicells.com
www.facebook.com/baicells


Respectfully,

-[BaiCells_Tiny3]-
Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies North America, Inc.
Mobile:  (260) 307-4000

rick.harn...@na.baicells.com
www.facebook.com/baicells


From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 10:29 AM
To: af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

If you do an ABAB channel plan, you can do four sectors per tower on 20mhz 
channels using GPS sync, but that pretty much gives you no room to work with if 
you into interference, so in practice, more using larger that 10mhz channels 
probably isn't going to be realistic long term for most of us.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 8:23 AM, Dave 
mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
50Mhz is not a lot of room for even 2 providers in a county wide area. Because 
customer wants 4k tv to work so either 15mhz or 20mhz wide
channel spacing is needed how many channels can be squeezed out of that 
including reuse with gps?
Scaling can become a major problem as well for both neighbors. Just another 
band turned to crap after everyone becomes a wisp in your area.

Medusa save us from the nether regions of UHD4k LOL
On 04/01/2018 11:01 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
The problem is that it was impractical to register every subscriber location.  
I registered 60 locations one night and it took me several hours.  There was no 
way I was going to invest that much labor into registrations.  They needed both 
a bulk registration method and to make their registration page respond faster.


That said, I have had coordination conversations with another registrant.  It 
was friendly, but it was only marginally productive.  We were not able to agree 
on TDD ratios or a plan for dividing the available 50mhz, so basically we kept 
doing our own thing and resolving interference cases individually as they came 
up.  It sounds like some of you have bad neighbors.



-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 3/31/2018 9:48:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

From what I've seen, most people are just registering every radio for the 
entire 50mhz, so it's not like you can use the information in the database to 
actually coordinate anything (and I think that really is the best option in the 
current climate, since there's a good chance your going to have to change 
channels at some point because of newcomers to the area)... then there are also 
the people that never bother to register anything, or register a few radios and 
then give up because it's too much work...

I'm aware of at least four other companies in our general area that have 
AP/base stations registered, but last I checked only one of them had any 
customer locations registered... for some reason, a lot of people seem to be 
under the Impression that you only need to register the AP (or eNB, in LTE 
speak), but that's not the case and never was - everything is supposed to be 
registered (there is an exception for mobile devices, but that doesn't apply to 
anything a WISP would be using).

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 6:05 PM, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
You need to register the stations, but there is no requirement to coordinate.   
However, depending on how many folks are in your area it still might be a good 
idea to make sure they are up to date on all their registrations.   Sometimes 
we find folks don’t always update their information on the FCC site and you can 
still run into interference.   If there are too many folks in the area, it is 
easier to find open channels and then register.


David Coudron



From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of TJ 
Trout
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 1:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

I have a NN license but have never used it, what is the best practice/process 
for registering a base when you have other operators with bases registered 
nearby? Do you need to coordinate 

Re: [AFMUG] Austin

[Josh Reynolds]

Oh, you too are going to launch $10Bn worth of low orbit satellites?

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 7:34 PM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> Not for the disruptive service Im planning…
>
> From: Af  on behalf of "tpa...@ecpi.com" <
> tpa...@ecpi.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Monday, April 2, 2018 at 4:58 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin
>
> Lol why? You don’t think we have enough competition?
>
> Tushar
>
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Apr 2, 2018, at 2:47 PM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>
> I would love to serve Austin!
>
> From: Af  on behalf of "tpa...@ecpi.com" <
> tpa...@ecpi.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Monday, April 2, 2018 at 8:56 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin
>
> It is out of our service area.
> Sorry.
>
> Tushar
>
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> 
> On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:51 PM, Eric Markow  wrote:
>
> I called and unfortunately it's out of their service area.
>
> I did find one company, GHz Wireless, but they never answer their phone or
> respond to emails, and seem to have poor reviews. Anyone know them?
>
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Western Broadband in Austin Texas. Curiously, Austin is not listed as a
>> service city.
>>
>> http://www.westernbroadband.com/contact.php
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 3/30/2018 11:59 AM, Eric Markow wrote:
>>
>> Anyone have his contact info? You can email to eric.markow(at)gmail.com
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 11:31 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I was thinking Tushar...
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 30, 2018 12:23 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Austin
>>>
>>> Tushar???
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 11:21 AM Eric Markow 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Does anyone here service south Austin?

 Thanks,

 Eric

>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Austin

[Gino A. Villarini]

Not for the disruptive service Im planning…

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
"tpa...@ecpi.com" 
mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Monday, April 2, 2018 at 4:58 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin

Lol why? You don’t think we have enough competition?

Tushar





Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Apr 2, 2018, at 2:47 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

I would love to serve Austin!

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
"tpa...@ecpi.com" 
mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Monday, April 2, 2018 at 8:56 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin

It is out of our service area.
Sorry.

Tushar





Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:51 PM, Eric Markow 
mailto:eric.mar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I called and unfortunately it's out of their service area.

I did find one company, GHz Wireless, but they never answer their phone or 
respond to emails, and seem to have poor reviews. Anyone know them?

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Western Broadband in Austin Texas. Curiously, Austin is not listed as a service 
city.

http://www.westernbroadband.com/contact.php

bp




On 3/30/2018 11:59 AM, Eric Markow wrote:
Anyone have his contact info? You can email to 
eric.markow(at)gmail.com

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 11:31 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

I was thinking Tushar...

- Original Message -
From: Jaime Solorza
To: Animal Farm
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin

Tushar???

Jaime Solorza

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 11:21 AM Eric Markow 
mailto:eric.mar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Does anyone here service south Austin?

Thanks,

Eric

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux powerinjector input rating?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 4/2/18 3:49 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

No need to split, it's designed for that amperage on either input.

With that in mind I might be inclined to recommend you split it if you 
can easily,  just because lower currents through connectors and traces 
reduce losses.



Yeah, I can put two ports on A and two on B no problem, I am planning to 
use it to power some licensed gear up to around 70 watts.

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux powerinjector input rating?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

No need to split, it's designed for that amperage on either input.

With that in mind I might be inclined to recommend you split it if you can
easily,  just because lower currents through connectors and traces reduce
losses.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 10:42 AM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> If the description for the Packetflux powerinjector plus sync gigabit
> says "2A per per port maximum power when using all 4 pair powering
> schemes.  (96 watts at 48 V)", is the input maximum 8A on a single input
> or does it have to be split 4A across inputs A and B?
>

Re: [AFMUG] DDOS protection

[Mike Hammett]

My friend Andrew worked with FastNetMon and Mikrotik a lot discovering and 
correcting bugs. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Baird"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 4:57:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DDOS protection 


+1 for FastNetMon. They also just announced this: 


"FastNetMon passed # Mikrotik compatibility # certification ! Check our entry 
in MFA (made for MikroTik) list: https://mikrotik.com/mfm/software # FastNetMon 
# MFA # DDoS # protectiontool # security # news Order free trial for 
FastNetMon: https://fastnetmon.com/trial/ " 



On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 5:21 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




You don't need to reinvent the wheel. FastNetMon. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "castarritt ." < castarr...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 4:18:50 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DDOS protection 





We are working on a Mikrotik method of automatic detection and mitigation based 
on a firewall rule adding addresses to a list that are getting a certain number 
of packets per second, and then a script that adds that /32 to BGP networks for 
advertisement with the correct black hole community (HE.net), or black hole 
server (Cogent). It works in a lab setting, but we haven't had an attack since 
implementing the detection side only to our edge router. 


On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Yeah, something like that seems kind of pointless... even with 10Gbps, there's 
a good chance it's going to just overload your upstreams anyway, and just about 
any DDoS attack worth mentioning is going to kill 1Gbps these days. DDoS 
mitigation on your upstreams would seem like a better way to go to me. 





On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Seth Mattinen < se...@rollernet.us > wrote: 


On 4/2/18 11:12, Paul McCall wrote: 


Anybody used a device like this at Layer 2 in between your core and an 
upstream?�� Purpose: Protection / Mitigation of DDOS attacks. 

http://www.serveru.us/en/ 

We have 1 Gbit interfaces currently, but that will jump up to 10Gbit interfaces 
soon. 





Nowadays DDoS attacks can easily surpass 10Gbps, so I don't see the point of 
trying to do any on-net scrubbing unless you can bring more bandwidth to bear 
than the attacker can. 

Re: [AFMUG] DDOS protection

[Josh Baird]

+1 for FastNetMon.  They also just announced this:

"FastNetMon passed #Mikrotik
 compatibility #
certification
! Check
our entry in MFA (made for MikroTik) list: https://mikrotik.com/mfm/software
#FastNetMon  #
MFA  #DDoS
 #protectiontool
 #security
 #news
 Order free trial
for FastNetMon: https://fastnetmon.com/trial/ "

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 5:21 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> You don't need to reinvent the wheel. FastNetMon.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"castarritt ." 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, April 2, 2018 4:18:50 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] DDOS protection
>
>
> We are working on a Mikrotik method of automatic detection and mitigation
> based on a firewall rule adding addresses to a list that are getting a
> certain number of packets per second, and then a script that adds that /32
> to BGP networks for advertisement with the correct black hole community
> (HE.net), or black hole server (Cogent).  It works in a lab setting, but we
> haven't had an attack since implementing the detection side only to our
> edge router.
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, something like that seems kind of pointless... even with 10Gbps,
>> there's a good chance it's going to just overload your upstreams anyway,
>> and just about any DDoS attack worth mentioning is going to kill 1Gbps
>> these days. DDoS mitigation on your upstreams would seem like a better way
>> to go to me.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/2/18 11:12, Paul McCall wrote:
>>>
 Anybody used a device like this at Layer 2 in between your core and an
 upstream?�� Purpose: Protection / Mitigation of DDOS attacks.

 http://www.serveru.us/en/

 We have 1 Gbit interfaces currently, but that will jump up to 10Gbit
 interfaces soon.


>>>
>>> Nowadays DDoS attacks can easily surpass 10Gbps, so I don't see the
>>> point of trying to do any on-net scrubbing unless you can bring more
>>> bandwidth to bear than the attacker can.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Austin

[chuck]

Yeah, love... me too

From: castarritt . 
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 3:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin

We love getting the sales calls from people in town that are bitching about how 
their AT&T fiber service is only giving them ~800 Mbps at peak times instead of 
the 1G they are supposedly paying for.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Admin TexasData  wrote:

  The grass is sometimes greener…..



  From: Af  On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
  Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 2:48 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin



  I would love to serve Austin! 



  From: Af  on behalf of "tpa...@ecpi.com" 

  Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Date: Monday, April 2, 2018 at 8:56 AM
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin



  It is out of our service area.  

  Sorry.

  Tushar 







Gino A. Villarini
   
President
   
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
   



  On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:51 PM, Eric Markow  wrote:

I called and unfortunately it's out of their service area.  



I did find one company, GHz Wireless, but they never answer their phone or 
respond to emails, and seem to have poor reviews. Anyone know them? 



On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

  Western Broadband in Austin Texas. Curiously, Austin is not listed as a 
service city.

http://www.westernbroadband.com/contact.php

bp On 3/30/2018 11:59 AM, Eric Markow wrote:

Anyone have his contact info? You can email to eric.markow(at)gmail.com



On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 11:31 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:



  I was thinking Tushar...



- Original Message - 

From: Jaime Solorza 

To: Animal Farm 

Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 12:23 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin



Tushar???

Jaime Solorza



On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 11:21 AM Eric Markow  
wrote:

  Does anyone here service south Austin? 



  Thanks, 



  Eric

Re: [AFMUG] Austin

[castarritt .]

We love getting the sales calls from people in town that are bitching about
how their AT&T fiber service is only giving them ~800 Mbps at peak times
instead of the 1G they are supposedly paying for.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Admin TexasData  wrote:

> The grass is sometimes greener…..
>
>
>
> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Monday, April 2, 2018 2:48 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Austin
>
>
>
> I would love to serve Austin!
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of "tpa...@ecpi.com" <
> tpa...@ecpi.com>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Monday, April 2, 2018 at 8:56 AM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Austin
>
>
>
> It is out of our service area.
>
> Sorry.
>
> Tushar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:51 PM, Eric Markow  wrote:
>
> I called and unfortunately it's out of their service area.
>
>
>
> I did find one company, GHz Wireless, but they never answer their phone or
> respond to emails, and seem to have poor reviews. Anyone know them?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Western Broadband in Austin Texas. Curiously, Austin is not listed as a
> service city.
>
> http://www.westernbroadband.com/contact.php
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/30/2018 11:59 AM, Eric Markow wrote:
>
> Anyone have his contact info? You can email to eric.markow(at)gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 11:31 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> I was thinking Tushar...
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>
> *To:* Animal Farm 
>
> *Sent:* Friday, March 30, 2018 12:23 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Austin
>
>
>
> Tushar???
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 11:21 AM Eric Markow  wrote:
>
> Does anyone here service south Austin?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] DDOS protection

[Mike Hammett]

You don't need to reinvent the wheel. FastNetMon. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "castarritt ."  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 4:18:50 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DDOS protection 



We are working on a Mikrotik method of automatic detection and mitigation based 
on a firewall rule adding addresses to a list that are getting a certain number 
of packets per second, and then a script that adds that /32 to BGP networks for 
advertisement with the correct black hole community (HE.net), or black hole 
server (Cogent). It works in a lab setting, but we haven't had an attack since 
implementing the detection side only to our edge router. 


On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Yeah, something like that seems kind of pointless... even with 10Gbps, there's 
a good chance it's going to just overload your upstreams anyway, and just about 
any DDoS attack worth mentioning is going to kill 1Gbps these days. DDoS 
mitigation on your upstreams would seem like a better way to go to me. 





On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Seth Mattinen < se...@rollernet.us > wrote: 


On 4/2/18 11:12, Paul McCall wrote: 


Anybody used a device like this at Layer 2 in between your core and an 
upstream?�� Purpose: Protection / Mitigation of DDOS attacks. 

http://www.serveru.us/en/ 

We have 1 Gbit interfaces currently, but that will jump up to 10Gbit interfaces 
soon. 





Nowadays DDoS attacks can easily surpass 10Gbps, so I don't see the point of 
trying to do any on-net scrubbing unless you can bring more bandwidth to bear 
than the attacker can. 

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

[Mathew Howard]

the grandfathering protection was probably overrated anyway, since, as far
as I know, it only applied to gear that was in the air already at that
point... we have very little, if any, 3.65ghz stuff still active that was
at the time - the vast majority of what we have was added after that point
anyway.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Rick Harnish 
wrote:

> Actually, to get grandfathering protection when the CBRS band opens up,
> you had to re-register in a new "clean" database by August 7th, 2016.  Here
> is a list of those who obtained Grandfathering Protection.
> https://opendata.fcc.gov/Wireless/ULS-3650-Locations-
> Default-View/dpvg-tvcx
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> -[image: BaiCells_Tiny3]-
>
> Rick Harnish
>
>
>
> Director of WISP Markets
>
>
>
> Baicells Technologies North America, Inc. 
>
> Mobile:  (260) 307-4000
>
>
>
> rick.harn...@na.baicells.com
>
> www.facebook.com/baicells
>
>
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> -[image: BaiCells_Tiny3]-
>
> Rick Harnish
>
>
>
> Director of WISP Markets
>
>
>
> Baicells Technologies North America, Inc. 
>
> Mobile:  (260) 307-4000
>
>
>
> rick.harn...@na.baicells.com
>
> www.facebook.com/baicells
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, April 2, 2018 10:29 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration
>
>
>
> If you do an ABAB channel plan, you can do four sectors per tower on 20mhz
> channels using GPS sync, but that pretty much gives you no room to work
> with if you into interference, so in practice, more using larger that 10mhz
> channels probably isn't going to be realistic long term for most of us.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 8:23 AM, Dave  wrote:
>
> 50Mhz is not a lot of room for even 2 providers in a county wide area.
> Because customer wants 4k tv to work so either 15mhz or 20mhz wide
> channel spacing is needed how many channels can be squeezed out of that
> including reuse with gps?
> Scaling can become a major problem as well for both neighbors. Just
> another band turned to crap after everyone becomes a wisp in your area.
>
> Medusa save us from the nether regions of UHD4k LOL
>
> On 04/01/2018 11:01 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> The problem is that it was impractical to register every subscriber
> location.  I registered 60 locations one night and it took me several
> hours.  There was no way I was going to invest that much labor into
> registrations.  They needed both a bulk registration method and to make
> their registration page respond faster.
>
>
>
>
>
> That said, I have had coordination conversations with another registrant.
> It was friendly, but it was only marginally productive.  We were not able
> to agree on TDD ratios or a plan for dividing the available 50mhz, so
> basically we kept doing our own thing and resolving interference cases
> individually as they came up.  It sounds like some of you have bad
> neighbors.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Mathew Howard" 
>
> To: "af" 
>
> Sent: 3/31/2018 9:48:52 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration
>
>
>
> From what I've seen, most people are just registering every radio for the
> entire 50mhz, so it's not like you can use the information in the database
> to actually coordinate anything (and I think that really is the best option
> in the current climate, since there's a good chance your going to have to
> change channels at some point because of newcomers to the area)... then
> there are also the people that never bother to register anything, or
> register a few radios and then give up because it's too much work...
>
>
>
> I'm aware of at least four other companies in our general area that have
> AP/base stations registered, but last I checked only one of them had any
> customer locations registered... for some reason, a lot of people seem to
> be under the Impression that you only need to register the AP (or eNB, in
> LTE speak), but that's not the case and never was - everything is supposed
> to be registered (there is an exception for mobile devices, but that
> doesn't apply to anything a WISP would be using).
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 6:05 PM, David Coudron <
> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>
> You need to register the stations, but there is no requirement to
> coordinate.   However, depending on how many folks are in your area it
> still might be a good idea to make sure they are up to date on all their
> registrations.   Sometimes we find folks don’t always update their
> information on the FCC site and you can still run into interference.   If
> there are too many folks in the area, it is easier to find open channels
> and then register.
>
>
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 31, 2018 1:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration
>
>
>
> I have a NN license but have never used it, what is the best
> p

Re: [AFMUG] DDOS protection

[castarritt .]

We are working on a Mikrotik method of automatic detection and mitigation
based on a firewall rule adding addresses to a list that are getting a
certain number of packets per second, and then a script that adds that /32
to BGP networks for advertisement with the correct black hole community
(HE.net), or black hole server (Cogent).  It works in a lab setting, but we
haven't had an attack since implementing the detection side only to our
edge router.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Yeah, something like that seems kind of pointless... even with 10Gbps,
> there's a good chance it's going to just overload your upstreams anyway,
> and just about any DDoS attack worth mentioning is going to kill 1Gbps
> these days. DDoS mitigation on your upstreams would seem like a better way
> to go to me.
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 4/2/18 11:12, Paul McCall wrote:
>>
>>> Anybody used a device like this at Layer 2 in between your core and an
>>> upstream?�� Purpose: Protection / Mitigation of DDOS attacks.
>>>
>>> http://www.serveru.us/en/
>>>
>>> We have 1 Gbit interfaces currently, but that will jump up to 10Gbit
>>> interfaces soon.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Nowadays DDoS attacks can easily surpass 10Gbps, so I don't see the point
>> of trying to do any on-net scrubbing unless you can bring more bandwidth to
>> bear than the attacker can.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

[Rick Harnish]

Actually, to get grandfathering protection when the CBRS band opens up, you had 
to re-register in a new "clean" database by August 7th, 2016.  Here is a list 
of those who obtained Grandfathering Protection.  
https://opendata.fcc.gov/Wireless/ULS-3650-Locations-Default-View/dpvg-tvcx

 

Respectfully,

 

--

Rick Harnish

 

Director of WISP Markets

 

Baicells Technologies North America, Inc.  

Mobile:  (260) 307-4000

 

rick.harn...@na.baicells.com  

www.facebook.com/baicells  

 

 

Respectfully,

 

--

Rick Harnish

 

Director of WISP Markets

 

  Baicells Technologies North America, Inc.

Mobile:  (260) 307-4000

 

  rick.harn...@na.baicells.com

  www.facebook.com/baicells

 

 

From: Af  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 10:29 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

 

If you do an ABAB channel plan, you can do four sectors per tower on 20mhz 
channels using GPS sync, but that pretty much gives you no room to work with if 
you into interference, so in practice, more using larger that 10mhz channels 
probably isn't going to be realistic long term for most of us. 

 

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 8:23 AM, Dave mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com> > wrote:

50Mhz is not a lot of room for even 2 providers in a county wide area. Because 
customer wants 4k tv to work so either 15mhz or 20mhz wide 
channel spacing is needed how many channels can be squeezed out of that 
including reuse with gps?
Scaling can become a major problem as well for both neighbors. Just another 
band turned to crap after everyone becomes a wisp in your area.

Medusa save us from the nether regions of UHD4k LOL



On 04/01/2018 11:01 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

The problem is that it was impractical to register every subscriber location.  
I registered 60 locations one night and it took me several hours.  There was no 
way I was going to invest that much labor into registrations.  They needed both 
a bulk registration method and to make their registration page respond faster.

 

 

That said, I have had coordination conversations with another registrant.  It 
was friendly, but it was only marginally productive.  We were not able to agree 
on TDD ratios or a plan for dividing the available 50mhz, so basically we kept 
doing our own thing and resolving interference cases individually as they came 
up.  It sounds like some of you have bad neighbors. 

 

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Mathew Howard" mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> >

To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com> >

Sent: 3/31/2018 9:48:52 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

 

>From what I've seen, most people are just registering every radio for the 
>entire 50mhz, so it's not like you can use the information in the database to 
>actually coordinate anything (and I think that really is the best option in 
>the current climate, since there's a good chance your going to have to change 
>channels at some point because of newcomers to the area)... then there are 
>also the people that never bother to register anything, or register a few 
>radios and then give up because it's too much work...

 

I'm aware of at least four other companies in our general area that have 
AP/base stations registered, but last I checked only one of them had any 
customer locations registered... for some reason, a lot of people seem to be 
under the Impression that you only need to register the AP (or eNB, in LTE 
speak), but that's not the case and never was - everything is supposed to be 
registered (there is an exception for mobile devices, but that doesn't apply to 
anything a WISP would be using). 

 

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 6:05 PM, David Coudron mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com> > wrote:

You need to register the stations, but there is no requirement to coordinate.   
However, depending on how many folks are in your area it still might be a good 
idea to make sure they are up to date on all their registrations.   Sometimes 
we find folks don’t always update their information on the FCC site and you can 
still run into interference.   If there are too many folks in the area, it is 
easier to find open channels and then register.

 

 

David Coudron

 

 

 

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > On Behalf Of TJ 
Trout
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 1:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

 

I have a NN license but have never used it, what is the best practice/process 
for registering a base when you have other operators with bases registered 
nearby? Do you need to coordinate anything?

 

I'm looking at deploying in a small town but 2-3 other operators have bases 
already registered in the area, can I still deploy? Obviously need to do a SA 
before anything

Re: [AFMUG] Austin

[Tushar Patel]

Lol why? You don’t think we have enough competition?

Tushar


> On Apr 2, 2018, at 2:47 PM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> 
> I would love to serve Austin! 
> 
> From: Af  on behalf of "tpa...@ecpi.com" 
> 
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Monday, April 2, 2018 at 8:56 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin
> 
> It is out of our service area. 
> Sorry.
> 
> Tushar
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
> 
> 
> On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:51 PM, Eric Markow  wrote:
> 
>> I called and unfortunately it's out of their service area. 
>> 
>> I did find one company, GHz Wireless, but they never answer their phone or 
>> respond to emails, and seem to have poor reviews. Anyone know them? 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>> Western Broadband in Austin Texas. Curiously, Austin is not listed as a 
>>> service city.
>>> 
>>> http://www.westernbroadband.com/contact.php
>>> bp
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/30/2018 11:59 AM, Eric Markow wrote:
 Anyone have his contact info? You can email to eric.markow(at)gmail.com
 
 On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 11:31 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
  wrote:
>  
> I was thinking Tushar...
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Jaime Solorza
> To: Animal Farm
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 12:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin
> 
> Tushar???
> 
> Jaime Solorza
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 11:21 AM Eric Markow  wrote:
>> Does anyone here service south Austin? 
>> 
>> Thanks, 
>> 
>> Eric
 
>>> 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

[chuck]

That is my dream too.  Play with grandkids more.  But I keep starting 
businesses...


-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen

Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 2:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

On 4/2/18 13:30, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
So many lists, so many time.  It would cut into my TV watching I am 
afraid...



I used to work really hard all the time, but since but August of last
year I decided it's been enough for what I'm getting out of it and
shifted focus to remodeling, TV, movies, and video games. 

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

[Seth Mattinen]

On 4/2/18 13:30, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
So many lists, so many time.  It would cut into my TV watching I am 
afraid...



I used to work really hard all the time, but since but August of last 
year I decided it's been enough for what I'm getting out of it and 
shifted focus to remodeling, TV, movies, and video games.

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

[chuck]

So many lists, so many time.  It would cut into my TV watching I am afraid...

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 2:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

If you guys aren't on NANOG, you really should be.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 2:50 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

  On 4/2/18 12:43, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
  > Wonder how they got that IP address.

  APNIC has it and agreed to let cloudflare use it or something,
  apparently there's some upset about it not being a transparent process,
  but I don't follow APNIC happenings. I guess they felt left out from the
  public DNS resolver party.

Re: [AFMUG] Enforcement Action on Interference case between Full Spectrum and Verizon Wireless

[chuck]

If it was to be operated on licensed frequencies, did it still have to be type 
approved?  I thought all commercial equipment operated on licensed bands could 
be self certified now. 

But they had plenty of chances to stop, comply, confess etc.  If you 
immediately show a compliant attitude it always goes much easier at the FCC.  
Not saying you should not get an attorney, but you should stop transmitting 
immediately and give them whatever documents you have if you have them to 
support  your right to operate there.  

From: Tim Hardy 
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 1:57 PM
To:  
Subject: [AFMUG] Enforcement Action on Interference case between Full Spectrum 
and Verizon Wireless

FYI - 

https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-18-322A1.pdf

Re: [AFMUG] Austin

[Admin TexasData]

The grass is sometimes greener...

 

From: Af  On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 2:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin

 

I would love to serve Austin! 

 

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of
"tpa...@ecpi.com  " mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com> >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com  " mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Monday, April 2, 2018 at 8:56 AM
To: "af@afmug.com  " mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin

 

It is out of our service area.  

Sorry.

Tushar 

 

 


 

Gino A. Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:51 PM, Eric Markow mailto:eric.mar...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I called and unfortunately it's out of their service area.  

 

I did find one company, GHz Wireless, but they never answer their phone or
respond to emails, and seem to have poor reviews. Anyone know them? 

 

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Western Broadband in Austin Texas. Curiously, Austin is not listed as a
service city.

http://www.westernbroadband.com/contact.php

bp

 

On 3/30/2018 11:59 AM, Eric Markow wrote:

Anyone have his contact info? You can email to eric.markow(at)gmail.com
 

 

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 11:31 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote:

 

I was thinking Tushar...

 

- Original Message - 

From: Jaime Solorza   

To: Animal Farm   

Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 12:23 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin

 

Tushar???

Jaime Solorza

 

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 11:21 AM Eric Markow mailto:eric.mar...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Does anyone here service south Austin?  

 

Thanks, 

 

Eric

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] DDOS protection

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, something like that seems kind of pointless... even with 10Gbps,
there's a good chance it's going to just overload your upstreams anyway,
and just about any DDoS attack worth mentioning is going to kill 1Gbps
these days. DDoS mitigation on your upstreams would seem like a better way
to go to me.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 4/2/18 11:12, Paul McCall wrote:
>
>> Anybody used a device like this at Layer 2 in between your core and an
>> upstream?�� Purpose: Protection / Mitigation of DDOS attacks.
>>
>> http://www.serveru.us/en/
>>
>> We have 1 Gbit interfaces currently, but that will jump up to 10Gbit
>> interfaces soon.
>>
>>
>
> Nowadays DDoS attacks can easily surpass 10Gbps, so I don't see the point
> of trying to do any on-net scrubbing unless you can bring more bandwidth to
> bear than the attacker can.
>

Re: [AFMUG] DDOS protection

[Zach Underwood]

Yes we see ddos attacks over 10Gbps once or twice a day.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 4:08 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 4/2/18 11:12, Paul McCall wrote:
>
>> Anybody used a device like this at Layer 2 in between your core and an
>> upstream?�� Purpose: Protection / Mitigation of DDOS attacks.
>>
>> http://www.serveru.us/en/
>>
>> We have 1 Gbit interfaces currently, but that will jump up to 10Gbit
>> interfaces soon.
>>
>>
>
> Nowadays DDoS attacks can easily surpass 10Gbps, so I don't see the point
> of trying to do any on-net scrubbing unless you can bring more bandwidth to
> bear than the attacker can.
>



-- 
Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
My website 
advance-networking.com

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

[Josh Reynolds]

If you guys aren't on NANOG, you really should be.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 2:50 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 4/2/18 12:43, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Wonder how they got that IP address.
>
> APNIC has it and agreed to let cloudflare use it or something,
> apparently there's some upset about it not being a transparent process,
> but I don't follow APNIC happenings. I guess they felt left out from the
> public DNS resolver party.
>

Re: [AFMUG] DDOS protection

[Seth Mattinen]

On 4/2/18 11:12, Paul McCall wrote:
Anybody used a device like this at Layer 2 in between your core and an 
upstream?�� Purpose: Protection / Mitigation of DDOS attacks.


http://www.serveru.us/en/

We have 1 Gbit interfaces currently, but that will jump up to 10Gbit 
interfaces soon.





Nowadays DDoS attacks can easily surpass 10Gbps, so I don't see the 
point of trying to do any on-net scrubbing unless you can bring more 
bandwidth to bear than the attacker can.

[AFMUG] Enforcement Action on Interference case between Full Spectrum and Verizon Wireless

[Tim Hardy]

FYI -

https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-18-322A1.pdf 

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

[Josh Baird]

From APNIC..

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 2, 2018, at 3:43 PM,   wrote:
> 
> Wonder how they got that IP address.
>  
> From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 1:33 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new DNS
>  
> It's not
>  
>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 2:24 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:
>> You sure it's not an April's Fool gag? 
>> 
>> Jaime Solorza
>>  
>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 1:21 PM Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>> https://gizmodo.com/how-to-speed-up-your-internet-and-protect-your-privacy-1824256587
>>> 
>>> Faster and more private than Google or others. :)
>>> 
>>> Travis
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

[Seth Mattinen]

On 4/2/18 12:43, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Wonder how they got that IP address.


APNIC has it and agreed to let cloudflare use it or something, 
apparently there's some upset about it not being a transparent process, 
but I don't follow APNIC happenings. I guess they felt left out from the 
public DNS resolver party.

Re: [AFMUG] Austin

[Gino A. Villarini]

I would love to serve Austin!

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
"tpa...@ecpi.com" 
mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Monday, April 2, 2018 at 8:56 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin

It is out of our service area.
Sorry.

Tushar





Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:51 PM, Eric Markow 
mailto:eric.mar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I called and unfortunately it's out of their service area.

I did find one company, GHz Wireless, but they never answer their phone or 
respond to emails, and seem to have poor reviews. Anyone know them?

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Western Broadband in Austin Texas. Curiously, Austin is not listed as a service 
city.

http://www.westernbroadband.com/contact.php

bp




On 3/30/2018 11:59 AM, Eric Markow wrote:
Anyone have his contact info? You can email to 
eric.markow(at)gmail.com

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 11:31 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

I was thinking Tushar...

- Original Message -
From: Jaime Solorza
To: Animal Farm
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin

Tushar???

Jaime Solorza

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 11:21 AM Eric Markow 
mailto:eric.mar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Does anyone here service south Austin?

Thanks,

Eric

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

[chuck]

Wonder how they got that IP address.

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 1:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

It's not

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 2:24 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

  You sure it's not an April's Fool gag? 


  Jaime Solorza

  On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 1:21 PM Travis Johnson  wrote:


https://gizmodo.com/how-to-speed-up-your-internet-and-protect-your-privacy-1824256587

Faster and more private than Google or others. :)

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

[Josh Reynolds]

It's not

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 2:24 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> You sure it's not an April's Fool gag?
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 1:21 PM Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
>>
>> https://gizmodo.com/how-to-speed-up-your-internet-and-protect-your-privacy-1824256587
>>
>> Faster and more private than Google or others. :)
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

[Jaime Solorza]

You sure it's not an April's Fool gag?

Jaime Solorza

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 1:21 PM Travis Johnson  wrote:

>
> https://gizmodo.com/how-to-speed-up-your-internet-and-protect-your-privacy-1824256587
>
> Faster and more private than Google or others. :)
>
> Travis
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

[Jason McKemie]

I fail to see how this is going to protect the user from their evil spying
ISP in any meaningful way.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> https://gizmodo.com/how-to-speed-up-your-internet-and-protec
> t-your-privacy-1824256587
>
> Faster and more private than Google or others. :)
>
> Travis
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

[Josh Reynolds]

Yes, bunch of discussions over the past few days on NANOG and some of the
vendor mailing lists.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 2:21 PM Travis Johnson  wrote:

>
> https://gizmodo.com/how-to-speed-up-your-internet-and-protect-your-privacy-1824256587
>
> Faster and more private than Google or others. :)
>
> Travis
>
>

[AFMUG] new DNS

[Travis Johnson]

https://gizmodo.com/how-to-speed-up-your-internet-and-protect-your-privacy-1824256587

Faster and more private than Google or others. :)

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

[Andy Trimmell]

Sorry I’ve been using a Roku since I got it but only had it a couple months. It 
was $35 when it started and just changed to $40 on March 13th.  Anyone signed 
up before then gets to keep $35. The other one people are talking about is 
DirectTV Now. Has a lot of stations none of the others have. You can also share 
youtubetv with 5 emails addresses. Makes it nice to just share it with other 
family without the fear of breaking TOS.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 2:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

 

I read an article in Fortune that says Youtube TV is on Roku now.  But no 
Discovery channel so that is a no-go for me.  And $40.

 

Philo is $16, on Roku, has DVR and has Discovery.  A hat trick for me.  

Now if I could only add HBO and Showtime for $7 or $8 a piece we would be 
golden.  

 

There is so much free stuff on Roku, low income folks getting subsidized 
lifeline internet and an aerial could have an ocean of TV to watch.  

I spend a bit of time on Pluto.  Mostly the movies.  Reruns.  The Eye Candy 
channel cracks me up.  I cannot imagine how they can make money producing such 
a thing.  

 

From: David Coudron 

Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 12:38 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

 

Right, our biggest challenge with YouTube TV when messing with the different 
options for our own use was the interface.   You either have to Chromecast it 
or use Apple TV.   My basic requirements for streaming are:

No proprietary device needed – Supports Roku, Apple TV and others as well as PC 
and Moble.   (YouTube TV is kind of there)

DVR – Been running the DirecTVNow beta DVR, seems OK.  YouTube’s works well.   
I would like to try Philo.

Local Channels – Would really like to have this on the same DVR as the rest of 
the content.   Ie. Wouldn’t want a separate DVR for OTA local channels.   Not 
sure if Philo does any local channels?   

Has FoxSports - 

 

The good news is there are lots of options.   The bad news is that the field is 
still evolving and things change frequently.   However, our primary goal was 
accomplished, which was getting rid of the expensive satellite bill.  (Although 
in the interim that means subscribing to DirecTVNow and YouTube TV 😊 )
Likely we will do DirecTVNow only once the DVR is fully rolled out.   They just 
got the Roku DVR client in Beta in the last week or so, that was a big one for 
us.

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

 

 

From: Af  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

 

I subscribed but quickly quit the trial as it does not support Roku.  At least 
it didn’t when I was looking at it.

I was too lazy to go get my AppleTV from my theater room and carry it up two 
flights of stairs  too much to ask.  

Does it have the Discovery channel?

 

From: Andy Trimmell 

Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 12:06 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

 

No one has mentioned YouTubeTV. It’s pretty nice and has DVR.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

 

The problem is that this equation won't pencil out for everyone the same way. 
For example, I could not care less about HBO, so that would not be part of my 
decision.

Here are a couple of takes on the various paths to streaming.

https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2478213,00.asp

https://cordcuttingreport.com/cord-cutting-guide/

 

bp

 

On 4/2/2018 8:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I had it via SlingTV for $8 or $7 as an add on.  

I am not going to get rid of Amazon or Hulu so I will check to see if 
they have a comparable add on for HBO.  

Be nice if Philo launched it.  

 

From: Josh Reynolds 

Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2018 6:30 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

 

Can get hbo via Amazon

 

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018, 7:27 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

I just added Philo.  It has discovery.  $16/month.

And it has DVR.  Directvnow still has not launched DVR.  

 

I think it may be the best value.  

 

This should allow me to disconnect directvnow and slingtv.  

However I am not disconnecting slingtv until I have a low cost 
alternative to adding HBO.

 

Philo has HBO as an investor and was supposed to be adding it 
shortly after launch, but so far not happening.  

 

Re: [AFMUG] DDOS protection

[Dave]

I like using fusion on our 10G circuit just because they are easy to 
work with and they have a nice bpg community for blackhole of ips that 
are being bad.
Other than that not worth my time to have another box to maintain. Do 
the proper mitigation on the frontend and no worries.


I have only had to put one of our ips in that community for a few days 
because of a gamer who made some other gamer mad LOL

needless to say but he had no internet access for a few days.



On 04/02/2018 01:12 PM, Paul McCall wrote:


Anybody used a device like this at Layer 2 in between your core and an 
upstream?�� Purpose: Protection / Mitigation of DDOS attacks.


http://www.serveru.us/en/

We have 1 Gbit interfaces currently, but that will jump up to 10Gbit 
interfaces soon.


Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 



--

Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

[chuck]

I read an article in Fortune that says Youtube TV is on Roku now.  But no 
Discovery channel so that is a no-go for me.  And $40.

Philo is $16, on Roku, has DVR and has Discovery.  A hat trick for me.  
Now if I could only add HBO and Showtime for $7 or $8 a piece we would be 
golden.  

There is so much free stuff on Roku, low income folks getting subsidized 
lifeline internet and an aerial could have an ocean of TV to watch.  
I spend a bit of time on Pluto.  Mostly the movies.  Reruns.  The Eye Candy 
channel cracks me up.  I cannot imagine how they can make money producing such 
a thing.  

From: David Coudron 
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 12:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

Right, our biggest challenge with YouTube TV when messing with the different 
options for our own use was the interface.   You either have to Chromecast it 
or use Apple TV.   My basic requirements for streaming are:

No proprietary device needed – Supports Roku, Apple TV and others as well as PC 
and Moble.   (YouTube TV is kind of there)

DVR – Been running the DirecTVNow beta DVR, seems OK.  YouTube’s works well.   
I would like to try Philo.

Local Channels – Would really like to have this on the same DVR as the rest of 
the content.   Ie. Wouldn’t want a separate DVR for OTA local channels.   Not 
sure if Philo does any local channels?   

Has FoxSports - 

 

The good news is there are lots of options.   The bad news is that the field is 
still evolving and things change frequently.   However, our primary goal was 
accomplished, which was getting rid of the expensive satellite bill.  (Although 
in the interim that means subscribing to DirecTVNow and YouTube TV 😊 )
Likely we will do DirecTVNow only once the DVR is fully rolled out.   They just 
got the Roku DVR client in Beta in the last week or so, that was a big one for 
us.

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

 

 

From: Af  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

 

I subscribed but quickly quit the trial as it does not support Roku.  At least 
it didn’t when I was looking at it.

I was too lazy to go get my AppleTV from my theater room and carry it up two 
flights of stairs  too much to ask.  

Does it have the Discovery channel?

 

From: Andy Trimmell 

Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 12:06 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

 

No one has mentioned YouTubeTV. It’s pretty nice and has DVR.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

 

The problem is that this equation won't pencil out for everyone the same way. 
For example, I could not care less about HBO, so that would not be part of my 
decision.

Here are a couple of takes on the various paths to streaming.

https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2478213,00.asp

https://cordcuttingreport.com/cord-cutting-guide/

 

bp On 4/2/2018 8:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I had it via SlingTV for $8 or $7 as an add on.  

  I am not going to get rid of Amazon or Hulu so I will check to see if they 
have a comparable add on for HBO.  

  Be nice if Philo launched it.  

   

  From: Josh Reynolds 

  Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2018 6:30 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

   

  Can get hbo via Amazon

   

  On Sun, Apr 1, 2018, 7:27 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

I just added Philo.  It has discovery.  $16/month.

And it has DVR.  Directvnow still has not launched DVR.  

 

I think it may be the best value.  

 

This should allow me to disconnect directvnow and slingtv.  

However I am not disconnecting slingtv until I have a low cost alternative 
to adding HBO.

 

Philo has HBO as an investor and was supposed to be adding it shortly after 
launch, but so far not happening.  

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

[David Coudron]

Right, our biggest challenge with YouTube TV when messing with the different 
options for our own use was the interface.   You either have to Chromecast it 
or use Apple TV.   My basic requirements for streaming are:
No proprietary device needed – Supports Roku, Apple TV and others as well as PC 
and Moble.   (YouTube TV is kind of there)
DVR – Been running the DirecTVNow beta DVR, seems OK.  YouTube’s works well.   
I would like to try Philo.
Local Channels – Would really like to have this on the same DVR as the rest of 
the content.   Ie. Wouldn’t want a separate DVR for OTA local channels.   Not 
sure if Philo does any local channels?
Has FoxSports -

The good news is there are lots of options.   The bad news is that the field is 
still evolving and things change frequently.   However, our primary goal was 
accomplished, which was getting rid of the expensive satellite bill.  (Although 
in the interim that means subscribing to DirecTVNow and YouTube TV 😊 )
Likely we will do DirecTVNow only once the DVR is fully rolled out.   They just 
got the Roku DVR client in Beta in the last week or so, that was a big one for 
us.

Regards,

David Coudron


From: Af  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

I subscribed but quickly quit the trial as it does not support Roku.  At least 
it didn’t when I was looking at it.
I was too lazy to go get my AppleTV from my theater room and carry it up two 
flights of stairs  too much to ask.
Does it have the Discovery channel?

From: Andy Trimmell
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

No one has mentioned YouTubeTV. It’s pretty nice and has DVR.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming


The problem is that this equation won't pencil out for everyone the same way. 
For example, I could not care less about HBO, so that would not be part of my 
decision.

Here are a couple of takes on the various paths to streaming.

https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2478213,00.asp

https://cordcuttingreport.com/cord-cutting-guide/



bp




On 4/2/2018 8:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I had it via SlingTV for $8 or $7 as an add on.
I am not going to get rid of Amazon or Hulu so I will check to see if they have 
a comparable add on for HBO.
Be nice if Philo launched it.

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2018 6:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

Can get hbo via Amazon

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018, 7:27 PM Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I just added Philo.  It has discovery.  $16/month.
And it has DVR.  Directvnow still has not launched DVR.

I think it may be the best value.

This should allow me to disconnect directvnow and slingtv.
However I am not disconnecting slingtv until I have a low cost alternative to 
adding HBO.

Philo has HBO as an investor and was supposed to be adding it shortly after 
launch, but so far not happening.

[AFMUG] CafII

[Dave]

did anyone on this list go for CAFII ?

--

Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

[chuck]

I subscribed but quickly quit the trial as it does not support Roku.  At least 
it didn’t when I was looking at it.
I was too lazy to go get my AppleTV from my theater room and carry it up two 
flights of stairs  too much to ask.  
Does it have the Discovery channel?

From: Andy Trimmell 
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

No one has mentioned YouTubeTV. It’s pretty nice and has DVR.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

 

The problem is that this equation won't pencil out for everyone the same way. 
For example, I could not care less about HBO, so that would not be part of my 
decision.

Here are a couple of takes on the various paths to streaming.

https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2478213,00.asp

https://cordcuttingreport.com/cord-cutting-guide/

 

bp On 4/2/2018 8:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I had it via SlingTV for $8 or $7 as an add on.  

  I am not going to get rid of Amazon or Hulu so I will check to see if they 
have a comparable add on for HBO.  

  Be nice if Philo launched it.  

   

  From: Josh Reynolds 

  Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2018 6:30 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

   

  Can get hbo via Amazon

   

  On Sun, Apr 1, 2018, 7:27 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

I just added Philo.  It has discovery.  $16/month.

And it has DVR.  Directvnow still has not launched DVR.  

 

I think it may be the best value.  

 

This should allow me to disconnect directvnow and slingtv.  

However I am not disconnecting slingtv until I have a low cost alternative 
to adding HBO.

 

Philo has HBO as an investor and was supposed to be adding it shortly after 
launch, but so far not happening.  

 

[AFMUG] DDOS protection

[Paul McCall]

Anybody used a device like this at Layer 2 in between your core and an 
upstream?   Purpose: Protection / Mitigation of DDOS attacks.

http://www.serveru.us/en/

We have 1 Gbit interfaces currently, but that will jump up to 10Gbit interfaces 
soon.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

[Andy Trimmell]

No one has mentioned YouTubeTV. It’s pretty nice and has DVR.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

 

The problem is that this equation won't pencil out for everyone the same way. 
For example, I could not care less about HBO, so that would not be part of my 
decision.

Here are a couple of takes on the various paths to streaming.

https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2478213,00.asp

https://cordcuttingreport.com/cord-cutting-guide/

 

bp

 

On 4/2/2018 8:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I had it via SlingTV for $8 or $7 as an add on.  

I am not going to get rid of Amazon or Hulu so I will check to see if 
they have a comparable add on for HBO.  

Be nice if Philo launched it.  

 

From: Josh Reynolds 

Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2018 6:30 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

 

Can get hbo via Amazon

 

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018, 7:27 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

I just added Philo.  It has discovery.  $16/month.

And it has DVR.  Directvnow still has not launched DVR.  

 

I think it may be the best value.  

 

This should allow me to disconnect directvnow and slingtv.  

However I am not disconnecting slingtv until I have a low cost 
alternative to adding HBO.

 

Philo has HBO as an investor and was supposed to be adding it 
shortly after launch, but so far not happening.  

 

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux powerinjector input rating?

[Mathew Howard]

If I remember correctly, Forrest has said that the the connectors are
limited to 8A, so I'd assume that it's fine on a single input.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> If the description for the Packetflux powerinjector plus sync gigabit says
> "2A per per port maximum power when using all 4 pair powering schemes.  (96
> watts at 48 V)", is the input maximum 8A on a single input or does it have
> to be split 4A across inputs A and B?
>

[AFMUG] Packetflux powerinjector input rating?

[Seth Mattinen]

If the description for the Packetflux powerinjector plus sync gigabit 
says "2A per per port maximum power when using all 4 pair powering 
schemes.  (96 watts at 48 V)", is the input maximum 8A on a single input 
or does it have to be split 4A across inputs A and B?

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa

[chuck]

Matt, sending you a note off list.

-Original Message- 
From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa


OK, so grounds are related to the problem.

There may be something unusual with timing pulses on the power that is
causing the surge suppressor to fire.
Forrest would know much more than I about that.

I honestly don’t know if anyone has tried my product with a Medusa before.
I have a 100% gas tube version that may solve the problem.


I am still having some troubles with PTP450i holding 1gbit ethernet
even with Cambium sync.  Not near as bad with Cambium Sync though.
Will these gas tube versions work any better?  Will they still keep
equipment safe? 

Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

[Bill Prince]

The problem is that this equation won't pencil out for everyone the same 
way. For example, I could not care less about HBO, so that would not be 
part of my decision.


Here are a couple of takes on the various paths to streaming.

https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2478213,00.asp

https://cordcuttingreport.com/cord-cutting-guide/


bp


On 4/2/2018 8:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I had it via SlingTV for $8 or $7 as an add on.
I am not going to get rid of Amazon or Hulu so I will check to see if 
they have a comparable add on for HBO.

Be nice if Philo launched it.
*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Sunday, April 1, 2018 6:30 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming
Can get hbo via Amazon
On Sun, Apr 1, 2018, 7:27 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

I just added Philo.  It has discovery. $16/month.
And it has DVR.  Directvnow still has not launched DVR.
I think it may be the best value.
This should allow me to disconnect directvnow and slingtv.
However I am not disconnecting slingtv until I have a low cost
alternative to adding HBO.
Philo has HBO as an investor and was supposed to be adding it
shortly after launch, but so far not happening.

Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

[chuck]

I had it via SlingTV for $8 or $7 as an add on.  
I am not going to get rid of Amazon or Hulu so I will check to see if they have 
a comparable add on for HBO.  
Be nice if Philo launched it.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2018 6:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

Can get hbo via Amazon

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018, 7:27 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I just added Philo.  It has discovery.  $16/month.
  And it has DVR.  Directvnow still has not launched DVR.  

  I think it may be the best value.  

  This should allow me to disconnect directvnow and slingtv.  
  However I am not disconnecting slingtv until I have a low cost alternative to 
adding HBO.

  Philo has HBO as an investor and was supposed to be adding it shortly after 
launch, but so far not happening.  

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

[Mathew Howard]

If you do an ABAB channel plan, you can do four sectors per tower on 20mhz
channels using GPS sync, but that pretty much gives you no room to work
with if you into interference, so in practice, more using larger that 10mhz
channels probably isn't going to be realistic long term for most of us.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 8:23 AM, Dave  wrote:

> 50Mhz is not a lot of room for even 2 providers in a county wide area.
> Because customer wants 4k tv to work so either 15mhz or 20mhz wide
> channel spacing is needed how many channels can be squeezed out of that
> including reuse with gps?
> Scaling can become a major problem as well for both neighbors. Just
> another band turned to crap after everyone becomes a wisp in your area.
>
> Medusa save us from the nether regions of UHD4k LOL
>
>
> On 04/01/2018 11:01 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> The problem is that it was impractical to register every subscriber
> location.  I registered 60 locations one night and it took me several
> hours.  There was no way I was going to invest that much labor into
> registrations.  They needed both a bulk registration method and to make
> their registration page respond faster.
>
>
> That said, I have had coordination conversations with another registrant.
> It was friendly, but it was only marginally productive.  We were not able
> to agree on TDD ratios or a plan for dividing the available 50mhz, so
> basically we kept doing our own thing and resolving interference cases
> individually as they came up.  It sounds like some of you have bad
> neighbors.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mathew Howard" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: 3/31/2018 9:48:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration
>
> From what I've seen, most people are just registering every radio for the
> entire 50mhz, so it's not like you can use the information in the database
> to actually coordinate anything (and I think that really is the best option
> in the current climate, since there's a good chance your going to have to
> change channels at some point because of newcomers to the area)... then
> there are also the people that never bother to register anything, or
> register a few radios and then give up because it's too much work...
>
> I'm aware of at least four other companies in our general area that have
> AP/base stations registered, but last I checked only one of them had any
> customer locations registered... for some reason, a lot of people seem to
> be under the Impression that you only need to register the AP (or eNB, in
> LTE speak), but that's not the case and never was - everything is supposed
> to be registered (there is an exception for mobile devices, but that
> doesn't apply to anything a WISP would be using).
>
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 6:05 PM, David Coudron <
> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>
>> You need to register the stations, but there is no requirement to
>> coordinate.   However, depending on how many folks are in your area it
>> still might be a good idea to make sure they are up to date on all their
>> registrations.   Sometimes we find folks don’t always update their
>> information on the FCC site and you can still run into interference.   If
>> there are too many folks in the area, it is easier to find open channels
>> and then register.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 31, 2018 1:57 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a NN license but have never used it, what is the best
>> practice/process for registering a base when you have other operators with
>> bases registered nearby? Do you need to coordinate anything?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm looking at deploying in a small town but 2-3 other operators have
>> bases already registered in the area, can I still deploy? Obviously need to
>> do a SA before anything
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> TJ
>>
>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

[Mathew Howard]

Anybody who's doing anything with 3.65ghz should check Comsearch's
quicklook tool.

https://solutions.comsearch.com/applications/search_3650/search3650MHZ.jsp


On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Dave  wrote:

> At a minimal try to find out who the base station owners are and what they
> are doing because I have seen older C-band station show up as registered
> sites.
> Which is ok because they have filters on their gear to notch out what they
> dont use. If your right in front of the dish it could be an issue otherwise
> should be ok.
>  If its other Wisp then good luck.
>
>
>
>
> On 03/31/2018 01:57 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
> I have a NN license but have never used it, what is the best
> practice/process for registering a base when you have other operators with
> bases registered nearby? Do you need to coordinate anything?
>
> I'm looking at deploying in a small town but 2-3 other operators have
> bases already registered in the area, can I still deploy? Obviously need to
> do a SA before anything
>
> Thanks,
>
> TJ
>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

[Seth Mattinen]

On 4/2/18 6:16 AM, Dave wrote:

Who in the world still watches HBO ?? LOL



Current productions like Game of Thrones, Silicon Valley, Westworld.

Miniseries like Band of Brothers, Generation Kill, The Pacific, From the 
Earth to the Moon.


HBO has a lot of original programming.

Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

[Jeremy]

Westworld also has 12 million viewers.  It was the largest ever viewership
for a first-season series on HBO.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 7:49 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> To put that into perspective, that around double the viewership for most
> years men's NCAA Final Four basketball.
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 8:46 AM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> Around 30 million just for Game of Thrones... So more than 30 million.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 8:16 AM Dave  wrote:
>>
>>> Who in the world still watches HBO ?? LOL
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/01/2018 07:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>> I just added Philo.� It has discovery.� $16/month.
>>> And it has DVR.� Directvnow still has not launched DVR.�
>>> �
>>> I think it may be the best value.�
>>> �
>>> This should allow me to disconnect directvnow and slingtv.�
>>> However I am not disconnecting slingtv until I have a low cost
>>> alternative to adding HBO.
>>> �
>>> Philo has HBO as an investor and was supposed to be adding it shortly
>>> after launch, but so far not happening.�
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

[Josh Reynolds]

To put that into perspective, that around double the viewership for most
years men's NCAA Final Four basketball.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 8:46 AM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Around 30 million just for Game of Thrones... So more than 30 million.
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 8:16 AM Dave  wrote:
>
>> Who in the world still watches HBO ?? LOL
>>
>>
>> On 04/01/2018 07:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> I just added Philo.� It has discovery.� $16/month.
>> And it has DVR.� Directvnow still has not launched DVR.�
>> �
>> I think it may be the best value.�
>> �
>> This should allow me to disconnect directvnow and slingtv.�
>> However I am not disconnecting slingtv until I have a low cost
>> alternative to adding HBO.
>> �
>> Philo has HBO as an investor and was supposed to be adding it shortly
>> after launch, but so far not happening.�
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

[Dave]

ok, I give ya that one..
I stay over on AMC glued to walking dead


On 04/02/2018 08:46 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Around 30 million just for Game of Thrones... So more than 30 million.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 8:16 AM Dave > wrote:


Who in the world still watches HBO ?? LOL


On 04/01/2018 07:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I just added Philo.� It has discovery.� $16/month.
And it has DVR.� Directvnow still has not launched DVR.�
�
I think it may be the best value.�
�
This should allow me to disconnect directvnow and slingtv.�
However I am not disconnecting slingtv until I have a low cost
alternative to adding HBO.
�
Philo has HBO as an investor and was supposed to be adding it
shortly after launch, but so far not happening.�


-- 



--

Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

[Josh Reynolds]

Around 30 million just for Game of Thrones... So more than 30 million.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 8:16 AM Dave  wrote:

> Who in the world still watches HBO ?? LOL
>
>
> On 04/01/2018 07:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I just added Philo.� It has discovery.� $16/month.
> And it has DVR.� Directvnow still has not launched DVR.�
> �
> I think it may be the best value.�
> �
> This should allow me to disconnect directvnow and slingtv.�
> However I am not disconnecting slingtv until I have a low cost alternative
> to adding HBO.
> �
> Philo has HBO as an investor and was supposed to be adding it shortly
> after launch, but so far not happening.�
>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

[Dave]

At a minimal try to find out who the base station owners are and what 
they are doing because I have seen older C-band station show up as 
registered sites.
Which is ok because they have filters on their gear to notch out what 
they dont use. If your right in front of the dish it could be an issue 
otherwise should be ok.

 If its other Wisp then good luck.




On 03/31/2018 01:57 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
I have a NN license but have never used it, what is the best 
practice/process for registering a base when you have other operators 
with bases registered nearby? Do you need to coordinate anything?


I'm looking at deploying in a small town but 2-3 other operators have 
bases already registered in the area, can I still deploy? Obviously 
need to do a SA before anything


Thanks,

TJ


--

Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

[Jeremy]

HBONow is $10 through the Roku.  That is what we use.  It isn't the full
HBO, but most everything is on there.

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 7:11 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Yeah, I don't see a compelling reason to get it through Amazon besides
> integration if you use Prime video a lot.
>
>
> On Sunday, April 1, 2018, Darin Steffl  wrote:
>
>> You can get hbo direct for $10 monthly.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 1, 2018, 7:30 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>>> Can get hbo via Amazon
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 1, 2018, 7:27 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 I just added Philo.  It has discovery.  $16/month.
 And it has DVR.  Directvnow still has not launched DVR.

 I think it may be the best value.

 This should allow me to disconnect directvnow and slingtv.
 However I am not disconnecting slingtv until I have a low cost
 alternative to adding HBO.

 Philo has HBO as an investor and was supposed to be adding it shortly
 after launch, but so far not happening.

>>>

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

[Dave]

50Mhz is not a lot of room for even 2 providers in a county wide area. 
Because customer wants 4k tv to work so either 15mhz or 20mhz wide
channel spacing is needed how many channels can be squeezed out of that 
including reuse with gps?
Scaling can become a major problem as well for both neighbors. Just 
another band turned to crap after everyone becomes a wisp in your area.


Medusa save us from the nether regions of UHD4k LOL


On 04/01/2018 11:01 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
The problem is that it was impractical to register every subscriber 
location.  I registered 60 locations one night and it took me several 
hours.  There was no way I was going to invest that much labor into 
registrations.  They needed both a bulk registration method and to 
make their registration page respond faster.



That said, I have had coordination conversations with another 
registrant.  It was friendly, but it was only marginally productive. 
 We were not able to agree on TDD ratios or a plan for dividing the 
available 50mhz, so basically we kept doing our own thing and 
resolving interference cases individually as they came up.  It sounds 
like some of you have bad neighbors.




-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 3/31/2018 9:48:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

From what I've seen, most people are just registering every radio for 
the entire 50mhz, so it's not like you can use the information in the 
database to actually coordinate anything (and I think that really is 
the best option in the current climate, since there's a good chance 
your going to have to change channels at some point because of 
newcomers to the area)... then there are also the people that never 
bother to register anything, or register a few radios and then give 
up because it's too much work...


I'm aware of at least four other companies in our general area that 
have AP/base stations registered, but last I checked only one of them 
had any customer locations registered... for some reason, a lot of 
people seem to be under the Impression that you only need to register 
the AP (or eNB, in LTE speak), but that's not the case and never was 
- everything is supposed to be registered (there is an exception for 
mobile devices, but that doesn't apply to anything a WISP would be 
using).


On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 6:05 PM, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> 
wrote:


You need to register the stations, but there is no requirement to
coordinate.   However, depending on how many folks are in your
area it still might be a good idea to make sure they are up to
date on all their registrations.   Sometimes we find folks don’t
always update their information on the FCC site and you can still
run into interference.   If there are too many folks in the area,
it is easier to find open channels and then register.

David Coudron

*From:* Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>
*On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
*Sent:* Saturday, March 31, 2018 1:57 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

I have a NN license but have never used it, what is the best
practice/process for registering a base when you have other
operators with bases registered nearby? Do you need to coordinate
anything?

I'm looking at deploying in a small town but 2-3 other operators
have bases already registered in the area, can I still deploy?
Obviously need to do a SA before anything

Thanks,

TJ




--

Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

[Dave]

Who in the world still watches HBO ?? LOL


On 04/01/2018 07:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I just added Philo.� It has discovery.� $16/month.
And it has DVR.� Directvnow still has not launched DVR.
I think it may be the best value.
This should allow me to disconnect directvnow and slingtv.
However I am not disconnecting slingtv until I have a low cost 
alternative to adding HBO.
Philo has HBO as an investor and was supposed to be adding it shortly 
after launch, but so far not happening.


--

Re: [AFMUG] Austin

[Tushar Patel]

It is out of our service area. 
Sorry.

Tushar


> On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:51 PM, Eric Markow  wrote:
> 
> I called and unfortunately it's out of their service area. 
> 
> I did find one company, GHz Wireless, but they never answer their phone or 
> respond to emails, and seem to have poor reviews. Anyone know them? 
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>> Western Broadband in Austin Texas. Curiously, Austin is not listed as a 
>> service city.
>> 
>> http://www.westernbroadband.com/contact.php
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3/30/2018 11:59 AM, Eric Markow wrote:
>>> Anyone have his contact info? You can email to eric.markow(at)gmail.com
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 11:31 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
>>>  wrote:
  
 I was thinking Tushar...
  
 - Original Message -
 From: Jaime Solorza
 To: Animal Farm
 Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 12:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Austin
 
 Tushar???
 
 Jaime Solorza
 
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 11:21 AM Eric Markow  wrote:
> Does anyone here service south Austin? 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Eric
>>> 
>> 
>