Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding
I assume the DSL and wireless links are not the same size? That would make it way too easy. But if I want to do 100 of these, with a NOC and 100 subs, I don’t want to have discrete devices on both ends of each circuit. Prefer to use link aggregation of some sort that would function kinda like a PMP radio protocol. So one big something at the NOC that can know how to handle dual paths to a CPE. *From:* Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:31 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding I'd probably go with an RB2011 for ~$100. If you can control the network on both ends (with a Mikrotik also at the upstream side), that makes your life easier. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:29:58 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding Need to probably hit 50 Mbps. *From:* Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:29 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding Get a used Peplink off ebay. I’ve got a couple of older ones I’ll sell you but they are limited to 10-15Mbps. rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett via Af *Sent:* Thursday, November 6, 2014 9:26 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding Is Luthman here? I bet if you bought him a Giordano's pizza, he'd do it. :-p www.routerboard.com http://www.routerboard.com They have everything from $50 SOHO style routers on up to $1,200 Dual SFP+ (and others) boxes. How networking knowledgeable are you? http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Load_Balancing There's a TON of stuff in their WIKI. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:22:07 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding Yeah, I anticipated that answer. I have next to zero experience with MT. Not to say I am not willing to learn. So, what exactly would it take? Just the router? Do those things come in nice consumer grade cases? Seems to me the last time I had one it was a bare PCB. (Back in 2003)... How about a bill of materials, a configuration listing, perhaps come and set it up for me and teach us a class... We would buy the pizza... *From:*Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:*Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:19 AM *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding Mikrotik. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:18:12 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding Any ideas of how to bond a wireless connection to a DSL connection for more bandwidth and redundancy? I have control over both ends of both circuits. Same IP space etc. Just don’t know if there is a low cost solution that could be applied to only the customer’s end.
Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding
Yeah that's a tough one. The simple methods won't work right. I hate sharing unequal paths because it takes a simple job and makes it a hard one. I don't know what those Peplink things cost, but if Dennis can do it with Mikrotik and supply you a configuration script to run on the CPE then you could use those $100 RB2011's. You are assuming correctly. *From:* Adam Moffett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:26 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding I assume the DSL and wireless links are not the same size? That would make it way too easy. But if I want to do 100 of these, with a NOC and 100 subs, I don’t want to have discrete devices on both ends of each circuit. Prefer to use link aggregation of some sort that would function kinda like a PMP radio protocol. So one big something at the NOC that can know how to handle dual paths to a CPE. *From:* Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:31 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding I'd probably go with an RB2011 for ~$100. If you can control the network on both ends (with a Mikrotik also at the upstream side), that makes your life easier. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Chuck McCown via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:29:58 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding Need to probably hit 50 Mbps. *From:* Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:29 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding Get a used Peplink off ebay. I’ve got a couple of older ones I’ll sell you but they are limited to 10-15Mbps. rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett via Af *Sent:* Thursday, November 6, 2014 9:26 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding Is Luthman here? I bet if you bought him a Giordano's pizza, he'd do it. :-p www.routerboard.com http://www.routerboard.com They have everything from $50 SOHO style routers on up to $1,200 Dual SFP+ (and others) boxes. How networking knowledgeable are you? http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Load_Balancing There's a TON of stuff in their WIKI. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:22:07 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding Yeah, I anticipated that answer. I have next to zero experience with MT. Not to say I am not willing to learn. So, what exactly would it take? Just the router? Do those things come in nice consumer grade cases? Seems to me the last time I had one it was a bare PCB. (Back in 2003)... How about a bill of materials, a configuration listing, perhaps come and set it up for me and teach us a class... We would buy the pizza... *From:*Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:*Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:19 AM *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding Mikrotik. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:18:12 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding Any ideas of how to bond a wireless connection to a DSL connection for more bandwidth and redundancy? I have control over both ends of both circuits. Same IP space etc. Just don’t know if there is a low cost solution that could be applied to only the customer’s end.
[AFMUG] Finding 3650 interference
So registering everyone's locations sounds great in theory because in theory you could then determine who's interfering with you and get a hold of them. My 320 AP sees a -79 on the exact channel I've been using for a few years. Not sure exactly when it showed up. If it was a base station antenna pointed at my base station antenna, then it could be up to 40km away. So I do a geo search in ULS for NN licenses with a location within 40km. It shows me 5 license holders who each have many locations.it doesn't actually tell me which locations triggered the search hit. So I'm thinking I could spend hours putting every location in Google Earth to see where they land.and I could pre-filter locations where the lat/long looks way too far off. That's still going to take hours, and if they didn't register their location anyway then it might end up being a waste of time. Is there a way to see which /locations /matched the 40km search RADIUS rather than seeing only the license holder and having to look through a zillion locations for each one? If so, I'm not seeing itplease tell me I'm missing it.
Re: [AFMUG] IP Camera Recommendations
UBNT took away RTSP in recent firmwareso I'm not sure if you can actually use them with anything other than Air Vision anymore. I haven't tried AirVision2. I also was not fond of AirVision, it sucked. I know this has been hashed and re-hashed, but I'm wondering what others are having luck with as far as IP cameras go. I'm needing something with night vision and decent resolution, under $200. Are the new Ubiquiti cameras worth looking at? I wasn't terribly fond of AirVision last time I used it, is BlueIris any better for use with these? Other recommendations? Thanks. -Jason
Re: [AFMUG] IP Camera Recommendations
Is it any good? We're on av3, aka unifi-video now On November 5, 2014 9:38:16 AM AKST, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: UBNT took away RTSP in recent firmwareso I'm not sure if you can actually use them with anything other than Air Vision anymore. I haven't tried AirVision2. I also was not fond of AirVision, it sucked. I know this has been hashed and re-hashed, but I'm wondering what others are having luck with as far as IP cameras go. I'm needing something with night vision and decent resolution, under $200. Are the new Ubiquiti cameras worth looking at? I wasn't terribly fond of AirVision last time I used it, is BlueIris any better for use with these? Other recommendations? Thanks. -Jason -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] OT The effects of grid tie solar
Your bill would hit $600/month in the summer? I would fall out of my chair. They never pay. I have about $10K into a 10 kW array. This shows that I have hit the lowest it is possible to hit. You can see the change when the array was connected about 3 months ago. *From:* Nate Burke via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 05, 2014 11:37 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT The effects of grid tie solar Is that your monthly electric bill? Or how much they power co pays you. What would you say total cost you have into your solar array is? On 11/5/2014 12:36 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: image
[AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP
Will they ever make the 450SM talk to our old 430AP's ? I hate buying two different types of SM's, especially knowing that I'll want to replace the damn 430 with a 450 later.
Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP
There's also a more compelling case for the new AP if you already have the new SM installed and pointed at it. Well crap on a cracker. One would think that they've been working toward this for the last year. I would think that everyone would benefit from just using the 450 SM in all cases. Cambium would benefit from economies of scale, we would benefit from reducing inventory, yada yada yada. bp On 11/4/2014 6:33 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: I would bet against it. On 11/4/14, 9:55 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Will they ever make the 450SM talk to our old 430AP's ? I hate buying two different types of SM's, especially knowing that I'll want to replace the damn 430 with a 450 later.
Re: [AFMUG] OT: remote support - part time jobs?
You might consider pizza delivery. You can definitely do that part time, and the pizza place will be very excited to get an application from someone who can spell their own name and address correctly. I did it for awhile and the whole job is like taking a break from real life. Drive the car, listen to the radio, deliver the goods, smile, get a tip, drive more, fold boxes and sweep the floor while you wait for the next delivery. Oh yeah, they also think you're a hero at the pizza shop if you stay busy without being ordered to. If they think you're a hero they'll give you whatever shift you want. You want Friday and Saturday night. Unlike tech supportor anything else I ever did, the customer is always happy to see you and the interaction with them is always positive. It was maybe one time in three hundred that anybody gave the pizza guy any attitude. On the less rosy side, you do have to pay attention to your vehicle maintenance and fuel costs and make sure you're actually making money. You might gross $15/hour, and if you can do a lot of the basic car stuff on your own, you'll only put 20-30% back into the car. Too many people went in and back out of that job because they weren't paying attention to what they were doing to their car. The other thing that ruined people was tickets. Speeding, red lights, failure to yieldone ticket and you just paid out a couple of days worth of income to the court. Parking is not an issue thoughnobody ever gave me trouble for parking anywhere as long as I had the pizza sign on the car. My banker has been being a dick about that whole paying him back on the house thing lately, every month making me pay, its like come on man, i took the money, isnt that enough? Ive been applying for remote support and helpdesk type stuff that is remote office.. but everything Ive interviewed for ends up being full time only. And none of them offer upward mobility given the nature of the work. any of you folks know of any of these call centers that hire part time remote workers? I dont care about being overqualified or the pay being crap, just looking for some supplemental dough. One thing amazes me is how many of these outfits use skype for communications, I dont know if theyre ultimately routing customer calls through skype or what, but thats the requirement they have. It used to be required you had a pots line -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] OT: remote support - part time jobs?
Are you saying Steve should sell drugs to help pay the mortgage? If so, he should do pizza delivery at the same timethen he has a way to explain all the cash income. I'm sorry to report that some of my colleagues in the pizza business were doing that. On the other hand there were people who had seasonal work, and used pizza delivery to fill their off season. So in the winter I worked with roofers, landscapers, and drug dealers. In the summer I worked with students, substitute teachers, and drug dealers. I was in Midland all of last week and when guys found out I was from El Paso they asked if I could hook them up with Viagra or Cialsis. Guess they think we just drive to Juarez and buy them cheap. 15 to 30 a pill Maybe something new going out at the drill sites I know drug abuse is high up there...too much quick money. Too young to save or invest Jaime Solorza On Nov 3, 2014 7:24 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: You might consider pizza delivery. You can definitely do that part time, and the pizza place will be very excited to get an application from someone who can spell their own name and address correctly. I did it for awhile and the whole job is like taking a break from real life. Drive the car, listen to the radio, deliver the goods, smile, get a tip, drive more, fold boxes and sweep the floor while you wait for the next delivery. Oh yeah, they also think you're a hero at the pizza shop if you stay busy without being ordered to. If they think you're a hero they'll give you whatever shift you want. You want Friday and Saturday night. Unlike tech supportor anything else I ever did, the customer is always happy to see you and the interaction with them is always positive. It was maybe one time in three hundred that anybody gave the pizza guy any attitude. On the less rosy side, you do have to pay attention to your vehicle maintenance and fuel costs and make sure you're actually making money. You might gross $15/hour, and if you can do a lot of the basic car stuff on your own, you'll only put 20-30% back into the car. Too many people went in and back out of that job because they weren't paying attention to what they were doing to their car. The other thing that ruined people was tickets. Speeding, red lights, failure to yieldone ticket and you just paid out a couple of days worth of income to the court. Parking is not an issue thoughnobody ever gave me trouble for parking anywhere as long as I had the pizza sign on the car. My banker has been being a dick about that whole paying him back on the house thing lately, every month making me pay, its like come on man, i took the money, isnt that enough? Ive been applying for remote support and helpdesk type stuff that is remote office.. but everything Ive interviewed for ends up being full time only. And none of them offer upward mobility given the nature of the work. any of you folks know of any of these call centers that hire part time remote workers? I dont care about being overqualified or the pay being crap, just looking for some supplemental dough. One thing amazes me is how many of these outfits use skype for communications, I dont know if theyre ultimately routing customer calls through skype or what, but thats the requirement they have. It used to be required you had a pots line -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Network monitor.
I remember when I was cool. It was very short lived. Observium and LibreNMS are what the cool kids are running these days. A friend of mine put out a series of blog posts regarding how to install Observium and then how to integrate it with various other services like syslog, Rancid, etc. http://bit.ly/1qmtAKW - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Joshua Heide via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, November 3, 2014 12:38:00 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Network monitor. Besides prtg and cacti is there anything else out there worth looking into. Currently we use prtg to monitor all of our towers and things at our noc. Then we use cacti to monitor our customers. Just curious what you guys use and if there anything new coming out. Thanks, Josh Heide Velociter Wireless (office) 209-838-1221 (fax) 209-838-1800 www.velociter.net http://www.velociter.net/
Re: [AFMUG] Punch down
Yeah, I was gonna sayour SM's see a lot of circulation. If they made some kind of IP67 industrial ethernet connection that was simple to terminate in the field, that would be the way to do it. Even then, it would be 10% more reliable and 1000% more expensive*. SomebodyI think Smart Bridgeshad a stub of ethernet fixed to the unit and you basically connected with an outdoor coupler. That was a reasonable idea except they used one that you can't put your RJ45 plug throughand when somebody loses the gaskets or nuts you know they'll just wrap the connection in tape and hope for the best. Anyways, yeah punch down is probably the last way I would ever want to do it. I can't think of any specific advantage other than people who've done lots of punch downs get pretty fast at it. Maybe it will save you 30 seconds of installation time. /*Like all statistics used in persuasive arguments, these numbers are completely made up./ If only it worked like thathere. People around here are more transient than that. They buy a home here for a couple years, then end up moving to a nicer one, or they leave for 6 months and head to some foreign country. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/30/2014 05:16 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: How many times are you unplugging the cable from your CPE? Should be plug it in and done until you forklift the network 4 - 5 years later. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:08:03 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Punch down Punch downs are only good for a relatively limited number of cycles (way less than an RJ45). So punch downs are good when you expect the connection to be good for the duration (like usually years). If you expect to make/break the connection a few times, you would not use a punch down. bp On 10/30/2014 2:26 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Wear and tear? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:18:55 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Punch down F that. Wear and tear on CPEs. We don't use them, but many swear they will only let their installers use EZ-RJ45. If that's the case, I wouldn't want those people punching down radios. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/30/2014 01:11 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What do you guys think of punching down on radios, PoE, etc.? I saw a radio at WISPAPALOOZA that had you punch down the wires onto the radio's circuit board. Seems like it would cut down on any issues of the RJ45 coming undone. What pitfalls would there be? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] Mailing List Behavior
exactly I agree and was waiting to see if someone else would bring it up. It only shows the name so I have no way of seeing the actual sender email address to bring something off-list. On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 10:15 AM, tcidan via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Since the change to the new mailing list host, the From: header on messages shows af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com rather than the actual sender. I find this change to not be beneficial. --danp -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] Mailing List Behavior
Right, the envelope sender (as in SMTP MAIL FROM: command) needs to be af@afmug.com to avoid trouble. The From: header could be you, me, or your cousin's sister's brother without hurting anything. The From: header is part of the message content. The envelope sender is part of the SMTP transaction. On our own mail server (where we don't run a mailing list) we do require the envelope sender to be a real account on our system because it makes it easier to track down spambot malware BS, which would otherwise use that capability to make the source less obvious. I assume Amazon has a similar requirement. No, just no. Know the difference between the sender and the envelope sender. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Wireless headsets for office phone
Last I checked, wired headsets were $100 or less (or much less). Wireless headsets were like $1818283201. Or approximately thatnot sure on the exact numbers, but it was a big enough difference that I figured I could live with a wire. After you get them, watch how many people really use them. It's hard to break the habit of picking up the handset. We've recently had requests for wireless headsets for office personnel to use on their desk phones so they don't have to pin a phone against their shoulder and type at the same time. Is anyone using something that they really like?
Re: [AFMUG] CTM + Slave setup
Did you ever find out about this magical ping? I believe a ping -l 333 will send a magic packet to the CTM causing a reboot. Can anyone tell me if this is just a management reset or will it reset power ports? I'm hooking up a slave CTM to a production unit this morning. I believe a reboot is required. Obviously, trying to get this going without the need to create an outage. Thanks, Eric
Re: [AFMUG] Dielectric grease on RJ45 for radios
Some people get corrosion just from moisture and/or salt in the air. It's not about leaking if that's what you're saying. But no, we don't do it here. Might be a good idea, but it seems like it would be a mess later. I don't see why anyone would do this, if water gets into your RJ45, something has failed and needs to be replaced. *From: * Jerry Richardson \(airCloud\) via Af af@afmug.com *Sender: * Af af-boun...@afmug.com *Date: *Tue, 28 Oct 2014 19:17:11 + *To: *af@afmug.comaf@afmug.com *ReplyTo: * af@afmug.com *Subject: *[AFMUG] Dielectric grease on RJ45 for radios Anyone doing this? Pros, cons?
Re: [AFMUG] Generator question
That only goes so far. There's a site near here with a huge diesel tank. I don't know the specs of the generator, but it's backup for a 35,000 Watt FM station.so in any case it's very big. I heard they have to run it for 24 hours each month in order to burn enough fuel to make room for fresh fuel so they don't go stale. I'm sure somebody did the math and decided this was worth it, but they must be burning 100 gallons per month for no better reason than to make room for fresh fuel. I believe they make treatments to reduce the staleness of stored diesel. You'll also be burning some during your regularly scheduled load tests as well, right? *nudge* ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, October 27, 2014 8:28:57 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Generator question I dislike diesel due to the inevitable mess and the fact it goes stale, has cold weather issues etc. If the disaster is bad enough to shut off the NG pipes, I think I don't want to be at work. -Original Message- From: Rex-List Account via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 5:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator question Just to throw another curve into your thinking - what is your reasoning on the generator? Disaster recovery? Frequent power outages due to storms and such? As a thirty plus year vet at a phone company and a twenty five plus year vet on the fire department let me give you this to ponder. If it is for frequent power outages due to electrical storms, ice, and/or poor power lines then NG is fine. However it has been my experience that in disaster scenarios like earthquakes (ok I haven't actually seen this one) severe storms/tornadoes (I have seen way too many of these) then one of the first things the fire department does is shut down the natural gas pipelines. Too many houses destroyed and the possibilities of way too many leaks. I personally would go with diesel fuel. Almost always available - can be easily trucked in. LP can be hard to source and price fluctuates in the winter. There is always a farmer or construction company around with diesel. NG is defiantly more convenient, but in a true disaster situation it may not be available. Just my two cents worth. Rex -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 4:17 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Generator question So I have a unique situation at our office. We're looking at a Generac QuietSource 22 or 30kW running on NG. I'm not dead set on that, but those are very nice and quiet 1800RPM. And the problem is, our building is really old and is split in half with two separate 240 services coming in. And I do have an old empty 1-1/4 conduit between the two utility closets. The two services is actually nice because a lot of times, one side will have power when the other doesn't. One comes from the north, the other from the south. There's no way we can rewire and combine everything into one service feed. I'm trying to wrap my mind around how to do something like two auto-transfer switches on one generator. I have critical stuff to run on both sides. Probably need a qualified electrician or engineer, but I thought I'd ask here for suggestions before we go down that road and pay someone to come up with something that I most likely wouldn't like.
Re: [AFMUG] Help ptp650 stuck at 5x5
That's priceless. I think it’s like the “5 second rule”: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-second_rule If you ask a group of moms if that’s true, you’ll be met with the same dead silence (and averted eyes). Now turning off someone else’s equipment to see if it’s causing you interference, that’s taking “testing” liberties too far. Which reminds me, I had another WISP do that to me, the funny thing is my equipment never actually went down, because there was a UPS on top of the grain leg, and they flipped the breaker at the bottom. But they said the interference went away while the breaker was off. *From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:16 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Help ptp650 stuck at 5x5 If you're honest enough that testing doesn't mean permanent to you, then test away and nobody will notice or even care for the short amount of time that you're figuring something out. On 10/26/2014 8:57 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: anybody? testing is still not legal, right? On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 7:39 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Given my recent tyrade about obeying the regulations I know I could have changed what the antenna size is in the GUI and the 5.2 band would have given me more output power to test this link. I knwo it boils down to me being a dick about it, that I dont question. But when it comes down to it, am I correct that we cant even test outside our power restrictions? I know the FCC isnt driving around in vans looking for people overpowering a radio for 20 minutes, its not about getting caught, its about principle. Are we allowed to do temporary things like that for testing purposes? I assume that as a letter of law we would have to have prior approval from the FCC, would we not? (This boils down to CYA over the ass chewing im pretty sure is on the way monday for not doing whatever it takes to get a critical link to full capacity, which I did last year when I specced out and sourced a licensed solution for the path) On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:56 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: my cambium guy said there wouldnt be an answer right now, so im packing this up and saying fuck all this noise, im goin drinkin On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I would call support at this point. +1-888-863-5250 tel:%2B1-888-863-5250 Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 On 10/24/2014 03:36 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: yes I did the spectrum is shit, I knew this going into it I unlocket the full throughput eval now its going above 5 but by 5x5 I mean 5.00 x 5.00 with 2:1 1:1 1:2, on every channel, on every channel size not 4.96 x 5.01 flat out 5.00 x 5.00 I have never seen a ptp stay at a single number like that While we were peaking it out it was running up where it was expected aggregate around 19 or something this didnt start until I switched bands I went to 5.4 it was where it was expected for a 10.3 mile link I went to 5.2 when I went here I switched to the biggest channel, thats when it started 5.00 x 5.00 Switched back to 5.8 had to move the transmit power back to 27 from -4 5.00 x 5.00, no matter the channel size Im guessing this is a bug, what im wondering is if it corrupted the generic lite key or something like that when its in the trial it ignores the key anybody know what happens if theres no good key? On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Did you Disarm the Installation Agent? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 On 10/24/2014 02:54 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I'm running out of daylight. Has anybody come across this before? Was modulating higher. I switched to 5.4 then 5.2 then back to 5.8 now it won't go above 5x5 on
Re: [AFMUG] questions about filters
http://xkcd.com/386/ Its time for a hug On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Josh, you say “the formulas are at the top”, and I respond that my complaints are about the USE of the formulas and cite 3 specific complaints about the numbers plugged into the formulas and also my complaint about the result saying 802.11n is only capable of 24 Mbps in a 20 MHz channel when we know the number is higher (around 75). You respond “then post the correct formula”. The only conclusion I can draw is you didn’t read my post. Which is fine, but why respond to something you didn’t read? The thing about formulas, you can get all sorts of answers plugging in different numbers. The error is usually in the assumptions, not the formulas. For example, when someone announces a breakthrough in throughput and range, often it’s because they assumed extremely high S/N ratios, in other words no interference or thermal noise. That’s not a breakthrough, it’s a result of assuming away the fundamental challenge of RF communications. C=B*log2(1+S/N) says if you assume infinite signal or negligible noise, infinite channel capacity is possible. But that assumption is not relevant to the real world, where interference exists, thermal noise floor exists, and there are regulatory limits on transmit power. This is just the most common example of the fault being in the assumptions, not the formula. I think the most questionable assumption in the case at hand is applying a frequency reuse factor of 1/3 to 802.11n and 1 to LTE-A and comparing those as if they were both cellular systems. In the WISP world, when we cite spectral efficiency, I don’t think it’s standard to apply a frequency reuse factor. We just divide bitrate by channel width. Also questionable is comparing 802.11n vs LTE-A as if that was an apples-to-apples comparison. At a minimum, the comparison should be to 802.11ac, which is left out of the chart. Furthermore, there are assumptions behind the performance of LTE-A that don’t apply to wireless LAN, the most obvious being LTE-A is used in licensed, exclusive use spectrum, where interference comes only from other sectors or cells operated by the same provider. Similarly, if you look at Part 101 licensed backhauls you will see modulation levels like 2048 and 4096 QAM. Why does 802.11 not use such high modulations? Because the S/N to achieve those modulations is unrealistic in the environment where 802.11 systems are used. Also, if you just look at standards, 802.11ac is capable of up to 8 spatial streams also. The question is how to utilize that in a WISP environment. I think we see Mimosa trying, or at least they are trying to use 4 streams. But you also see Mimosa taking a stand against the FCC out of band emissions change. (did you read their filings?) I think it’s dangerous to say go ahead and require 20+ dB more OOB filtering, we just need to think out of the box and come up with new modulation schemes to make up for the lost throughput. Heck, we’re going to need all those advances just for more throughput, not to compensate for a filtering requirement that is totally unnecessary. *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, October 27, 2014 12:02 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] questions about filters Wikipedia, and other resources, are what people let them be. Ken made some valid points, and I even said that -- twice. People who have been in IT/telecom for a long time get a certain attitude about them, and normally it's not a helpful one to people who might be able to learn something from the old farts, but only if said individuals are willing to take the time to educate. Like I said, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying then post the correct formula, in your humble opinion, so it can be fixed. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/26/2014 08:46 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: Josh, you have strong opinions and there's nothing wrong with that, but at times you come off very confrontational, IMO. Ken is one of the smartest people I know and I have great respect for him. I think most others here would agree. On 10/26/2014 11:28 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: If you're not fixing to the problem, you're contributing to it. You have some valid points about weaknesses in the formulas used in that chart. Do you talk to everyone this way? Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/26/2014 07:16 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?
Sub teeth perhaps for credibility with regulators, or similar. What “teeth” do you expect WISPA to have? *From:* That One Guy via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2014 9:31 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? Non UBNT fanboys would agree that UBNT is the most abused set of systems we use, note the dismay over losing test mode or whatever its called and the backlash I got for snitching on a vendor who was selling non US radios to US customers. UBNT wants to market themselves a a big player, but they cant even get the systems to do simple if and or for the most part in my experience of dealing with mikrotik guys, they take their spectrum stewardship seriously, Ive not dealt with all the tik guys, there are probably alot who abuse it too, and shame on them for that, but tik isnt as prevalent in the industry as UBNT is. I personally dont like the temptation to cheat, we are changing out a rocket link with a 650 right now that would work fine at full power in the lower 5gz, and I would never get caught, instead we are shedding customers while we are putting up the replacement tommorrow. Most folks wold just cheat it to get through, thats why WISPA has no real teeth On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I don't believe the FCC has issued any DFS related violations that didn't include interfering with TDWR. It seems like as long as you don't interfere with TDWR, no one cares. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:48:31 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? it only sets in the ap if you select a channel, if you give it a list it stays at full power. I wish WISPA would realize that they have absolutely no teeth and our membership dues have no return until our industry takes stewardship of the spectrum seriously. Its things like this that ensure the 5ghz rules are here to stay, WISPA has a better chance of sticking a straw up a unicorns hind end and blowing rainbow bubbles out its nose than getting the rules changed. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: That really bothers me too... the AP side will limit it to the legal limit (assuming you have the antenna size set properly), but the clients do not... I'm guessing there are an awful lot of NanoBridges out there running at 23dBm Tx power on DFS channels - which should be limited to 5dBm. UBNT really needs to fix that. *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 2:34 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? I dont like that theyre not limiting power in those bands automatically, I thought they were supposed to On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I didn't know the 5GHz Power Bridges ever had the ability to go that low (legally). On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Heith Petersen via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I assume that this does not apply to the Power Bridges. I am scared to update the few that are running 5.2 on older firmware to find out ;) *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:33 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? Go to the UBNT web site. You have to register they will send you stickers and an activation key that you enter on the System tab in the GUI. bp On 10/22/2014 9:51 AM, Sam Lambie via Af wrote: Where the heck would one get an update key and how do you enter it into the radio? These radios are about 3 years old. This particular one worked just fine on Firmware 5.3 in
Re: [AFMUG] Distance with EPMP
I know a guy who makes a nice big reflector for like $50. and yeah dude. Look at the size of that little dinky antenna and I think it should be clear why you're not going very far with it. Integrated is for 1mile � 2 mile if low noise. Go force110 or conn with 2� dish Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 3:05 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Distance with EPMP Hello folks, I have been playing around with a test EPMP setup - 120 sector at about 170ft over mostly open farm land, using the latest beta firmware. I am somewhat disappointed in the lack of distance this thing can go, but I am just testing with the integrated SM (waiting on the Force 110 units). What distances are you guys getting with the integrated SM? Also, is it just me or is this web interface dreadfully slow? Also, the Monitor-wireless data does not seem to update very much, if at all when you are trying to aim it
Re: [AFMUG] Distance with EPMP
The web page never struck me as slow, but I think it's heavy on javascript, which would make it vary depending on the computer you're using. That's an interesting point thoughwe should try it on some of our older installer laptops to see if they're up to the task. Hello folks, I have been playing around with a test EPMP setup - 120 sector at about 170ft over mostly open farm land, using the latest beta firmware. I am somewhat disappointed in the lack of distance this thing can go, but I am just testing with the integrated SM (waiting on the Force 110 units). What distances are you guys getting with the integrated SM? Also, is it just me or is this web interface dreadfully slow? Also, the Monitor-wireless data does not seem to update very much, if at all when you are trying to aim it
Re: [AFMUG] Easy way to determine LOS
said the guy who doesn't know what a forest looks like Path profile software Jaime Solorza On Oct 23, 2014 1:27 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Need to do a ptp shot but can't tell if I have clear LOS, any tricks with a telescope or something I can do without someone on the other side with a mirror or laser?
Re: [AFMUG] Easy way to determine LOS
You could do a dummy link with cheap equipment. Set a tripod or non-pen mount without screwing it down. Power the equipment with batteries. If you want to use a telescope I think you're limited to whether or not you can see the target. If it's hard to pick out against the background, maybe you could hang an orange flag there. Tough one. I never am happy with what the computer spits out. I feel as though it never properly takes foliage into account. Honestly... if it looks close on the path software... there's not much that'll tell you for sure without just doing it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, October 23, 2014 2:26:59 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Easy way to determine LOS Need to do a ptp shot but can't tell if I have clear LOS, any tricks with a telescope or something I can do without someone on the other side with a mirror or laser?
Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?
Yes...maybe. We had somebody not able to get link with an RB2011. I don't think we ever tried the 10/100 ports. The customer ended up getting a different router. Is there an issue with the GigE ports on Mikrotik RB2011 not talking to some devices no matter what settings you try? I had this with a customer's copper/fiber media converter, moved it to a 10/100 port on the 2011 and all was good. Now I think I'm seeing the same thing with a CTM. Setting the GigE port to only negotiate 100M didn't work, no amount of playing with the settings worked, had to physically move it to a 10/100 port. If this is a known problem and not my imagination, what other Mikrotik devices share this issue? If this had been an 1100 or CCR or CSR, I might not have had a 10/100 port available and I would have been stuck.
Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?
How did you figure that out? Does it log something about the status of the switch controller. I've had many 2011's appear to crash for no apparent reason. Come to find out, the switch controllers are what crash from time to time. Sometimes all of the GigE ports stop working, other times it's the FastE ports. I'm not a fan of the 2011s at all. On 10/17/2014 9:44 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: 6.13/3.14 on an RB2011iL. Yeah, likely the customers media converters are not Gig capable, they are pretty old, it was disconcerting not to be able to talk at 100M or even 10M though. I’m more worried that it doesn’t seem to talk to a CTM-2 on a GigE port. And who knows what else. *From:* Nate Burke via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, October 17, 2014 9:32 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports? What ROS/Routerboard version? Does the customers Media converter auto-negotiate, or does it only work at 1 speed? It's been a while since I've used them, but the 1G converters I had were only 1000base on the Ethernet port, no auto. On 10/17/2014 9:29 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Yes, in this case the MT interface reported successfully negotiating 100 Full, but never counted any rcv packets. *From:* Adam Moffett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, October 17, 2014 9:23 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports? Wellautonegotiation failures happen sometimes, but typically those work ok when you force the speed on the link. In the case I'm thinking of, we could not get a working link no matter what. It was quite awhile ago now, but I think it would report a link was up while the input counters never climbed above 0. We have a couple devices that don't work with Mikrotik devices at all. Putting a switch in between fixes it but not ideal. On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Yes...maybe. We had somebody not able to get link with an RB2011. I don't think we ever tried the 10/100 ports. The customer ended up getting a different router. Is there an issue with the GigE ports on Mikrotik RB2011 not talking to some devices no matter what settings you try? I had this with a customer's copper/fiber media converter, moved it to a 10/100 port on the 2011 and all was good. Now I think I'm seeing the same thing with a CTM. Setting the GigE port to only negotiate 100M didn't work, no amount of playing with the settings worked, had to physically move it to a 10/100 port. If this is a known problem and not my imagination, what other Mikrotik devices share this issue? If this had been an 1100 or CCR or CSR, I might not have had a 10/100 port available and I would have been stuck.
Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?
Never had any out of box defects on those. We did have a CCR come in smashed. The case was bent violently. The strange part is the box was completely pristine and free of creasesit seemed to us that the unit must have gone into the box already bent. Maybe somebody at the factory needed one more to hit his quota. I’ve had 2011’s with 1 bad port out of the box, and one with the heatsink rattling around in the case, but this is something different. *From:* Adam Moffett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, October 17, 2014 1:57 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports? How did you figure that out? Does it log something about the status of the switch controller. I've had many 2011's appear to crash for no apparent reason. Come to find out, the switch controllers are what crash from time to time. Sometimes all of the GigE ports stop working, other times it's the FastE ports. I'm not a fan of the 2011s at all. On 10/17/2014 9:44 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: 6.13/3.14 on an RB2011iL. Yeah, likely the customers media converters are not Gig capable, they are pretty old, it was disconcerting not to be able to talk at 100M or even 10M though. I’m more worried that it doesn’t seem to talk to a CTM-2 on a GigE port. And who knows what else. *From:* Nate Burke via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, October 17, 2014 9:32 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports? What ROS/Routerboard version? Does the customers Media converter auto-negotiate, or does it only work at 1 speed? It's been a while since I've used them, but the 1G converters I had were only 1000base on the Ethernet port, no auto. On 10/17/2014 9:29 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Yes, in this case the MT interface reported successfully negotiating 100 Full, but never counted any rcv packets. *From:* Adam Moffett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, October 17, 2014 9:23 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports? Wellautonegotiation failures happen sometimes, but typically those work ok when you force the speed on the link. In the case I'm thinking of, we could not get a working link no matter what. It was quite awhile ago now, but I think it would report a link was up while the input counters never climbed above 0. We have a couple devices that don't work with Mikrotik devices at all. Putting a switch in between fixes it but not ideal. On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Yes...maybe. We had somebody not able to get link with an RB2011. I don't think we ever tried the 10/100 ports. The customer ended up getting a different router. Is there an issue with the GigE ports on Mikrotik RB2011 not talking to some devices no matter what settings you try? I had this with a customer's copper/fiber media converter, moved it to a 10/100 port on the 2011 and all was good. Now I think I'm seeing the same thing with a CTM. Setting the GigE port to only negotiate 100M didn't work, no amount of playing with the settings worked, had to physically move it to a 10/100 port. If this is a known problem and not my imagination, what other Mikrotik devices share this issue? If this had been an 1100 or CCR or CSR, I might not have had a 10/100 port available and I would have been stuck.
Re: [AFMUG] WTB: 200' Armored fiber - 12 strand (for towers)
I was told there's a shortage right now. I'm still looking for somebody to sell us 200' of fiber for a project that we are working on. It seems like nobody was using multimode last time we asked so we didn't get any takers. We have decided to just use singlemode instead since that seems to be what most are using. I really don't want to buy 3300 feet on a 14 week lead time to complete this backhaul project. So does anyone out there want to sell us 200' of good quality fiber for a tower project that we are working on?
Re: [AFMUG] WTB: 200' Armored fiber - 12 strand (for towers)
Not a shortage of armored cable, but fiber in general I was told there's a shortage right now. I'm still looking for somebody to sell us 200' of fiber for a project that we are working on. It seems like nobody was using multimode last time we asked so we didn't get any takers. We have decided to just use singlemode instead since that seems to be what most are using. I really don't want to buy 3300 feet on a 14 week lead time to complete this backhaul project. So does anyone out there want to sell us 200' of good quality fiber for a tower project that we are working on?
Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons
They were saying in Albany that they'd tested it with 120 subs, but they wouldn't suggest more than 50. They were touting the number 50 as being about double what you'd normally see suggested for wifi based equipment. How'd you arrive at the number 25? Did you have trouble with it? Depends on customer density per AP. If you have low (25) density, I would recommend ePMP. Otherwise I would recommend 450. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/17/2014 02:05 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: I haven't been keeping real up to date on current generation ptmp offerings but we have a new site going up and I need to decide pretty quickly on some equipment. For the guys who have been using both 450 and epmp do you have any pros and cons ? Any reason to spend the extra money when epmp seems to have the same if not better performance , sync, etc? My gut says 450 is going to be my best long term solution but with all of the positive epmp feedback it's hard to justify the extra money?
Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question
AutodeskThey still charge thousands of a copy of autoCAD, but you can get it on a month to month basis for $60/month, or pay for a whole year and it's like $35/month. I would never have been able to justify paying them $3k for something I would use 4 times a year, but I can pay them $60 each for the four times I want to use it. Before that I would limit my use to twice a yearone 30 day demo of the current release of autoCAD and one 30 day demo of the current autoCAD LT. I don’t dispute that, or that SaaS is the wave of the future (present?), just I find Intuit to be a money-grubbing borderline unethical company to deal with, that nonetheless dominates their market niche. Probably because the accountants all use it. As far as getting the bug fixes immediately because you subscribe as a service, that would mean more if it didn’t take Intuit years to fix bugs. There is actually very little improvement from year to year in Quickbooks, it is mostly cosmetic or related to new services they want to sell you. Which tend to be pretty poor, for example their payroll service is really pathetic, you’re almost better off filling out the tax forms by hand. But as an other example of SaaS, Adobe has gone heavily that direction with their creative suites. If you are a graphic designer or web designer, I’m sure it’s a very good deal. For someone like me with an owned copy of Photoshop, it probably doesn’t make sense to start paying monthly, since I could care less about having the latest improvements, I don’t use it intensively enough to make it worthwhile. Maybe for Dreamweaver since HTML techniques are changing all the time. At least Adobe doesn’t require that you are connected to the Internet in order to use the software. I don’t really have any problem with their approach, even though it doesn’t work out so well for me. *From:* Travis Johnson via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question I haven't seen the same results... every single company I am involved with, and even the 20+ that I have met with over the last three months have all used Quickbooks. Travis On 10/16/2014 8:12 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I would not use anything related to Quickbooks as an example of the best way to do something. Your only choices from Intuit are how you get screwed, not whether. *From:* Travis Johnson via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:02 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question How do you figure? Everything will eventually be SaaS... and it's a much better model for both sides. The software stays updated and current and bug fixes are instant. The initial cost to start with the software is usually 1/10th what it would be to buy, and it allows people to use the software from anywhere. Many years ago, I was of the same opinion. Then I started to realize my time (or anyone else's time) was better spent focusing on the product we sold rather than installing/fixing/supporting someone else's software. I know I personally spent at least 50+ hours over the previous 15 years installing/fixing/supporting Quickbooks on our LAN. Getting it installed on a server, setting up the shares, mapping drive letters, installing it on each PC, etc. The software cost us $500 to buy, and then the yearly updates were usually $200-$300. Or you can subscribe to the online version for $39/month and be done with it. It's automatically backed up, you don't have to host it on your own server, or worry about upgrade issues or users with problems, etc. Time is money. Spend your time doing what you know how to do, and hire someone else to do the other tasks. :) Travis On 10/15/2014 9:31 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote: True story. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 15, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah, SaaS is great for the company that owns it, not so great for everyone else. On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Nope... mainly SaaS companies and real estate. Best of both worlds. :) Travis On 10/15/2014 3:40 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Someone told me you were getting into manufacturing�� Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 10/15/14, 5:31 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It just depends on the day... :) Involved in 11 companies now, and looking at a 12th. Always stuff going
Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
I've never used that featurebut I wonder if you have to include a special context that knows how to handle the code, like you do with call parking. It is getting to the asterisk box. It shows up in the logfile. But it looks like it is treating it like a phone number to me. Especially if I add the extension and group number. *From:* Nate Burke via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:45 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Is the *45 getting to the server, or is the dialplan in the voip appliance trying to interpret it locally? On 10/15/2014 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Arrgh, cannot get *45 toggle queue login to work. No voice prompt. Extension does not appear in queue. Static agents work just fine. Everything else works just fine. Voice prompts, IVR, voicemail etc etc. Just having zero luck with dynamic agents. Any suggestions.
Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
So there's a *45 defined in features.conf? It is one of the built in feature codes. Others, like announce the current time, work. I cannot imagine why it would ignore a feature code. *From:* Adam Moffett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:23 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk I've never used that featurebut I wonder if you have to include a special context that knows how to handle the code, like you do with call parking. It is getting to the asterisk box. It shows up in the logfile. But it looks like it is treating it like a phone number to me. Especially if I add the extension and group number. *From:* Nate Burke via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:45 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Is the *45 getting to the server, or is the dialplan in the voip appliance trying to interpret it locally? On 10/15/2014 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Arrgh, cannot get *45 toggle queue login to work. No voice prompt. Extension does not appear in queue. Static agents work just fine. Everything else works just fine. Voice prompts, IVR, voicemail etc etc. Just having zero luck with dynamic agents. Any suggestions.
Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
You've probably thought of this already, but I would make sure the web page is not accessible from the internet at large.they've had remote hacks in the past. Then you'll get the bill for the phone calls to Uzbekistan. So far I am loving it. Everything else is working perfectly. *From:* Adam Moffett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:08 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Wish I could help. FreePBX makes me mad every time I use itso I don't use it anymore. Never tried that particular feature either. I joined the FreePBX forum. Hopefully I can get some help there once the hazing of the newbe is over. *From:* Chuck McCown via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:36 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk No actually. Features.conf has include files of other features files. Went through all of them and are not finding many of the feature codes in the GUI. They must be hiding somewhere else. *From:* Adam Moffett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:29 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk So there's a *45 defined in features.conf? It is one of the built in feature codes. Others, like announce the current time, work. I cannot imagine why it would ignore a feature code. *From:* Adam Moffett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:23 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk I've never used that featurebut I wonder if you have to include a special context that knows how to handle the code, like you do with call parking. It is getting to the asterisk box. It shows up in the logfile. But it looks like it is treating it like a phone number to me. Especially if I add the extension and group number. *From:* Nate Burke via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:45 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Is the *45 getting to the server, or is the dialplan in the voip appliance trying to interpret it locally? On 10/15/2014 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Arrgh, cannot get *45 toggle queue login to work. No voice prompt. Extension does not appear in queue. Static agents work just fine. Everything else works just fine. Voice prompts, IVR, voicemail etc etc. Just having zero luck with dynamic agents. Any suggestions.
Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool
That's the method I've generally used. You can further calculate based on the vertical beamwidth where the outer edge of the -3db coverage circle would land, and where the inner edge would land. Then you can attempt to visualize it. I feel like somebody once linked to an online map tool that would show you a simple visualization of where your sector would cover. I can't think of who or when now. Trig? Tangent? How far out do you want to focus the main lobe? Take the tower height, divided by that distance (both in the same units) and do the arctan of that. So if the tower was 200 feet, and you want to target a spot 2 miles away, arctan(200/10560)=1 degree *From:* Paul McCall via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:13 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Downtilt tool We have upgraded a bunch of towers to ePMP (2.4) are finding we are going to really be more exacting with our downtilts to avoid spectrum overlap… more than we did with 100 series, because of the SNR requirements. I assume 2.4 450 would have similar requirements. So, I want to map out my down-tilt plans . Is there a good online tool for this? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe
1.5 megawatt-hours. I think they chose that number for the shock and awe value. If it was producing the same amount of power continuously over 32 days that would mean 3.9kw. Similar to some portable generators. They also report net power production of 2.3kw, which doesn't jive with the 1.5megawatt hours in 32 days. Apparently some energy input is required to keep it running. I remain a hopeful skeptic. On 10/13/2014 9:44 AM, Kade Sullivan via Af wrote: 1 gram of fuel produced 1.5 MEGAWATTS of power over 32 days? Am I reading that right? Holy shit! On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/191754-cold-fusion-reactor-verified-by-third-party-researchers-seems-to-have-1-million-times-the-energy-density-of-gasoline
Re: [AFMUG] customer needs to upload lots of files ... best way?
Maybe he needs to learn patience. 20 minutes sounds reasonable to me unless he's doing it several times a day. Windows 7 can make zip files without any additional third party software. I think you right click the folder and select compress folder. In my experience, one big file tends to move better than many small ones, so even if the data isn't very compressible it should help. I have a customer who keeps asking for more upload speed because it takes too long to upload a bunch of files to his server at a datacenter. He thinks this should not cost a lot because he is just bursting, unfortunately what he wants would require a dedicated link from the tower to his house. He will upload around 100 files when he finishes a project and it takes about 20 minutes, apparently that's a problem. What I see when he is uploading is about 50% duty cycle, apparently a file uploads, then dead time, then another file. So I'm thinking he first needs to improve how efficiently he uses his Internet connection. He says he is using drag and drop in Windows 7. I assume this means he is using Remote Desktop and using drag and drop within the RDP session from his local drive to a drive on the remote server. Would I be right that RDP drag and drop is not an efficient way to transfer lots of files? (I've never done that myself.) What would be the best way? Personally, I would just use FTP, maybe create a tar archive first, but he is using Windows. If he needs security, it seems there are choices like SFTP, FTPS, SCP. If HIPAA level security is not required, vanilla FTP would avoid the encryption overhead. I found an article on how to set the number of concurrent connections in Filezilla to something like 10, would that keep the link 100% utilized? My other FTP client is WS_FTP, I don't know if it can do concurrent file transfers.
Re: [AFMUG] How to deal with constant customer internet saturation.
Have you tried PCQ with lower priority on connections that have moved more data? See below. That's saying any connection that has moved less than 50,000,000 bytes gets priority 7, while any connection moving more than that gets the default priority 8. Before I did this, if I ran a torrent at my house I would get a crummy speed test and people in the house would complain about web pages being slow. After doing this, the first thing I did was start up a torrent and let it run for awhile, then do a speed test. You could see the throughput in uTorrent drop while the speedtest went full throttle. So email and light web browsing (and speed tests) can hum along while a torrent or video stream is hosing the connection. I'm running this at the router at the tower by the way. It's something like this: /ip firewall mangle add action=mark-connection chain=prerouting new-connection-mark=\ tcp-connection protocol=tcp add action=mark-packet chain=prerouting comment=short connection-bytes=\ 0-5000 connection-mark=tcp-connection new-packet-mark=short-download \ passthrough=no protocol=tcp add action=mark-packet chain=prerouting comment=long connection-mark=\ tcp-connection new-packet-mark=long-download passthrough=no protocol=tcp add action=mark-packet chain=prerouting comment=short udp connection-bytes=\ 0-5000 new-packet-mark=short-download passthrough=no protocol=udp add action=mark-packet chain=prerouting comment=long udp new-packet-mark=\ long-download passthrough=no protocol=udp /queue type add kind=pcq name=PCQ short Download pcq-classifier=src-address,dst-address \ pcq-dst-address6-mask=64 pcq-limit=5k pcq-src-address6-mask=64 \ pcq-total-limit=4 add kind=pcq name=PCQ long download pcq-classifier=src-address,dst-address \ pcq-dst-address6-mask=64 pcq-src-address6-mask=64 pcq-total-limit=4 /queue tree add name=queue1 parent=global queue=default add name=queue8 packet-mark=short-download parent=queue1 priority=7 queue=PCQ short Download add name=queue9 packet-mark=long-download parent=queue1 queue=PCQ long download I believe in the definition of the PCQ queue type you could also limit the speed of each connection. A Torrent client could still hose this.I'm not normally trying to get more than one torrent at a time, so for my house it works great, but if you have lots of torrents running and they each open many connections, it could take quite awhile before the individual connections move enough data to hit 50meg. I was thinking I would alter it with 3 or four stages of connection length with gradually decreasing priority levels. I just haven't gotten around to it. So it's becoming a reoccurring nightmare for me. I get a customer calling in saying their internet is slow. It ends up being their upstream or downstream or both are totally maxed out for hours on end. Unfortunately, my responsibility does not stop there. We have been going the route of installing Mikrotik's in the customer home, which helps us identify the problem. But what do we do from there? I feel like the overall bandwidth isnt the ENTIRE problem. With more intelligent usage, more people can use it simultaneously. Of course, giving them more speed would help, but I feel like it's a bandaid around the big picture, which is the fact that nothing plays nice with anything else. Are there any mikrotik guru's here that could figure something out that we could preload on all these mikrotik routers that would help minimize this issue? In my mind, I feel like the solution lies in the prioritization of each connection, without putting a hard limit on any one device. I just can't seem to figure out the proper implementation. Are any of you seeing this reoccurring nightmare?
Re: [AFMUG] How to deal with constant customer internet saturation.
Since it's on the forefront of my mind now, I just went ahead and added a tiny-download packet mark for connections that moved less than 1 million bytes. tiny-download gets priority 6 in the queue tree. Something like 20% of traffic seems to fit that description. I think I'll keep it. Have you tried PCQ with lower priority on connections that have moved more data? See below. That's saying any connection that has moved less than 50,000,000 bytes gets priority 7, while any connection moving more than that gets the default priority 8. Before I did this, if I ran a torrent at my house I would get a crummy speed test and people in the house would complain about web pages being slow. After doing this, the first thing I did was start up a torrent and let it run for awhile, then do a speed test. You could see the throughput in uTorrent drop while the speedtest went full throttle. So email and light web browsing (and speed tests) can hum along while a torrent or video stream is hosing the connection. I'm running this at the router at the tower by the way. It's something like this: /ip firewall mangle add action=mark-connection chain=prerouting new-connection-mark=\ tcp-connection protocol=tcp add action=mark-packet chain=prerouting comment=short connection-bytes=\ 0-5000 connection-mark=tcp-connection new-packet-mark=short-download \ passthrough=no protocol=tcp add action=mark-packet chain=prerouting comment=long connection-mark=\ tcp-connection new-packet-mark=long-download passthrough=no protocol=tcp add action=mark-packet chain=prerouting comment=short udp connection-bytes=\ 0-5000 new-packet-mark=short-download passthrough=no protocol=udp add action=mark-packet chain=prerouting comment=long udp new-packet-mark=\ long-download passthrough=no protocol=udp /queue type add kind=pcq name=PCQ short Download pcq-classifier=src-address,dst-address \ pcq-dst-address6-mask=64 pcq-limit=5k pcq-src-address6-mask=64 \ pcq-total-limit=4 add kind=pcq name=PCQ long download pcq-classifier=src-address,dst-address \ pcq-dst-address6-mask=64 pcq-src-address6-mask=64 pcq-total-limit=4 /queue tree add name=queue1 parent=global queue=default add name=queue8 packet-mark=short-download parent=queue1 priority=7 queue=PCQ short Download add name=queue9 packet-mark=long-download parent=queue1 queue=PCQ long download I believe in the definition of the PCQ queue type you could also limit the speed of each connection. A Torrent client could still hose this.I'm not normally trying to get more than one torrent at a time, so for my house it works great, but if you have lots of torrents running and they each open many connections, it could take quite awhile before the individual connections move enough data to hit 50meg. I was thinking I would alter it with 3 or four stages of connection length with gradually decreasing priority levels. I just haven't gotten around to it. So it's becoming a reoccurring nightmare for me. I get a customer calling in saying their internet is slow. It ends up being their upstream or downstream or both are totally maxed out for hours on end. Unfortunately, my responsibility does not stop there. We have been going the route of installing Mikrotik's in the customer home, which helps us identify the problem. But what do we do from there? I feel like the overall bandwidth isnt the ENTIRE problem. With more intelligent usage, more people can use it simultaneously. Of course, giving them more speed would help, but I feel like it's a bandaid around the big picture, which is the fact that nothing plays nice with anything else. Are there any mikrotik guru's here that could figure something out that we could preload on all these mikrotik routers that would help minimize this issue? In my mind, I feel like the solution lies in the prioritization of each connection, without putting a hard limit on any one device. I just can't seem to figure out the proper implementation. Are any of you seeing this reoccurring nightmare?
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
My mom did it that way a few times I'm told getting born in a hospital is a 20th century thinglike before that you did it at home. I assume we have a better infant mortality rate this way, but man we do burn a lot of money for it. Some of us are do it yourselfers. Out of 8 kids, 5 didn't cost a dime. Kinda like, some of us climb our own towers too ... -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 5:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare On 10/9/14, 16:06, Dan Petermann via Af wrote: My wife wanted her doctor to deliver our son. He told her that if he delivered a baby, even on the side of a road in an emergency, his malpractice insurance would increase by $30,000.00/year. Think about that. 30K! Our legal, insurance, and medical industry is completely out of touch.
Re: [AFMUG] Local source for silicon grease (Corning 4)
Lots of good responses here. I was wondering if you meant a dielectric grease, or something to lube up your stainless parts so they don't seize, or something else? Auto parts store should have options for any of that. I bought a can of lithium grease for $2.99 at Autozone some years ago. It's the size of a peanut can. Since you only need a dab here and there on each part, I've been using that same can for 6-7 years. Any clues where I might look locally for this? I'm not having any luck. -Jason
Re: [AFMUG] Local source for silicon grease (Corning 4)
I haven't put the lithium on anything more important than a wimax SMmostly it's for my car. But the stainless hardware on the 320 hasn't seized up after a few years with lithium grease on it. I also know one of our installers runs around putting WD-40 on them when he puts them together. I would have expected that to wash off, but his haven't seized up either. Is it just a matter of time? I think there are 3 different applications, don't mix up the products: dielectric grease for waterproofing modular jack connections: Dow Corning DC4 or equivalent grease for rubber feedhorn O-rings: Dow Corning DC111 or equivalent anti-seize for stainless hardware: more than just lithium grease, I would make sure it says something about anti-seize or never-seize or something like that on the label and also that it is intended for stainless steel. Many brands. I think I finally found some Permatex Nickel Anti-Seize at O'Reilly auto parts, after striking out at Autozone and Advance. Note the stuff with nickel dust in it stains, don't get it where you don't want it. You don't need much so I got a little tube, but the brush-top bottle might be good for applying it without getting it on your fingers. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 2:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Local source for silicon grease (Corning 4) Lots of good responses here. I was wondering if you meant a dielectric grease, or something to lube up your stainless parts so they don't seize, or something else? Auto parts store should have options for any of that. I bought a can of lithium grease for $2.99 at Autozone some years ago. It's the size of a peanut can. Since you only need a dab here and there on each part, I've been using that same can for 6-7 years. Any clues where I might look locally for this? I'm not having any luck. -Jason
Re: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ?
Rightit sets the range of tx powers to keep you inside the legal EIRP based on the antenna gain setting. What is your external gain set to and what band? On 10/9/2014 7:03 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc via Af wrote: Anyone seen this before? Tried changing it but she resets back to a negative number even after reboot... Transmitter Output Power : dBm ( Range: -30 --- -15 dBm ) *Tyson Burris, President** **Internet Communications Inc.** **739 Commerce Dr.** **Franklin, IN 46131** *** *317-738-0320 Daytime #* *317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #* *Online: **www.surfici.net* ICI *What can ICI do for you?* *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.* ** *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* *addressee shown. It contains information that is* *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* *prohibited.* --
Re: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ?
Gotta be. External gain is over and above the 10db internal antenna. You're telling it you have a total of 45dbi of antenna gainSo I'm guessing you have 5.4ghz unit, which has a +30db legal EIRP limit.hence -15 as your max tax power. If you have a 35dbi dish, you set external gain to 25. IMO you're doing the right thing with the big antennayou're much better off getting to the EIRP limit with antenna gain than tx power because the antenna helps you in both directions. I would say that's wrong for a reflector? *Tyson Burris, President** **Internet Communications Inc.** **739 Commerce Dr.** **Franklin, IN 46131** *** *317-738-0320 Daytime #* *317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #* *Online: **www.surfici.net* ICI *What can ICI do for you?* *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.* ** *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* *addressee shown. It contains information that is* *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* *prohibited.* *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:10 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? What gain you have in the antenna field? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Date: *Thursday, October 9, 2014 at 8:03 AM *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Cc: *memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org *Subject: *[AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? Anyone seen this before? Tried changing it but she resets back to a negative number even after reboot... Transmitter Output Power : dBm ( Range: -30 --- -15 dBm ) *Tyson Burris, President** **Internet Communications Inc.** **739 Commerce Dr.** **Franklin, IN 46131** *** *317-738-0320 Daytime #* *317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #* *Online: **www.surfici.net* ICI *What can ICI do for you?* *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.* ** *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* *addressee shown. It contains information that is* *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* *prohibited.*
Re: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ?
oh and if you are using a 27RD or equivalent, I think the correct external gain setting would be 15. Gotta be. External gain is over and above the 10db internal antenna. You're telling it you have a total of 45dbi of antenna gainSo I'm guessing you have 5.4ghz unit, which has a +30db legal EIRP limit.hence -15 as your max tax power. If you have a 35dbi dish, you set external gain to 25. IMO you're doing the right thing with the big antennayou're much better off getting to the EIRP limit with antenna gain than tx power because the antenna helps you in both directions. I would say that's wrong for a reflector? *Tyson Burris, President** **Internet Communications Inc.** **739 Commerce Dr.** **Franklin, IN 46131** *** *317-738-0320 Daytime #* *317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #* *Online: **www.surfici.net* ICI *What can ICI do for you?* *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.* ** *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* *addressee shown. It contains information that is* *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* *prohibited.* *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:10 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? What gain you have in the antenna field? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Date: *Thursday, October 9, 2014 at 8:03 AM *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Cc: *memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org *Subject: *[AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? Anyone seen this before? Tried changing it but she resets back to a negative number even after reboot... Transmitter Output Power : dBm ( Range: -30 --- -15 dBm ) *Tyson Burris, President** **Internet Communications Inc.** **739 Commerce Dr.** **Franklin, IN 46131** *** *317-738-0320 Daytime #* *317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #* *Online: **www.surfici.net* ICI *What can ICI do for you?* *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.* ** *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* *addressee shown. It contains information that is* *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* *prohibited.*
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
If you go into a Doctor's office and receive aspirin and a hug, you'll still get a $500 bill (or your insurance will). I'd love it if we could address whatever drives the costs up. Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bp On 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is **designed** to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada, for the record, is not privatized health care like the VHA. In fact it is the opposite. The Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from private entities, like Medicare. A fact yet to be discovered by the media in the USA. It is hard to understand why the Republican’s hate ObamaCare since it was mostly their idea. Well, other than ObamaCare was championed by Obama and I guess that is enough reason. The basic concept to use the free market and let industry to its thing is normally what Republican’s want. Not to mention its inherent ability to make more money for insurance companies and private industry. Sure, they are upset that it is being used as a wealth distribution system that makes people with money pay more and people without pay less. Ok, so that is two reasons they hate it. The mistake made, was not implementing a single payer system simultaneously with universal coverage. The CBO calculated the saving from the former would pay for the later resulting in no increase in out-of-pocket costs. Then the other benefits of such a privatized system would start to kick in and the open market competition for services will drive costs down. With health care general health would improve and costs would go down even more. Unfortunately the Government is dysfunctional and has zero chance of overcoming the trillions of dollars companies are making off of the existing out of control health care system. And if they could pass the laws, would anyone trust our Government to run such a program? And there is the root problem. Obviously an over simplification but now back to my real job. PC Blaze Broadband *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:33 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare People with pre-existing conditions are one of the few groups benefitting from this. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:32 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare We pay about the same as we did but our deductible is lower, our out of pocket max is lower, and they covered our pregnancy. We switched during the first trimester because we didn't have maternity coverage (no
Re: [AFMUG] Comcast is getting really ticked about complaints
The original article states that nobody has access to recordings of the phone calls or the contents of the emails. Maybe Conal was the jerk. What would someone have to say before you called his employer and told them they employee was being bad? Something serious I assume. Maybe Conal made threats or something. The fact is we don't know, and slashdot rallies automatically against the cable company because they're the cable company. Not that I love my cable companybut the bias is quite clear. Per the original article it doesn't sound like the guy was being a jerk at all. Comcast was, in fact, the jerk. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: That’s pretty shady, but this part of the editorial really ticked me off, “/Be careful next time when you exercise your first amendment rights”/ // The first amendment protects the rights of the people to speak freely, but does not protect you from the consequences of being a jerk. Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:17 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Comcast is getting really ticked about complaints Yeah I saw that. PS - f@#$ /. beta ;) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 02:51 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: http://beta.slashdot.org/story/208189 � Rory P. Conaway 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 tel:602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net �
[AFMUG] credit checks
My mission this morning is to figure out how I'm going to do credit checks on potential new customers. While I'm on hold with Experian, I wonder if anybody else is doing credit checks who can share what they're doing. What company are you using? How much does it cost? How hard was it to get set up?
Re: [AFMUG] credit checks
The trouble is the primary comptetion (Time Warner Cable) does free installs and then lets you go 90 days before they shut you off. I have to try not to be a meaner guy than them. meh too much work. get payment upfront for as much as possible (install and first month) bill ahead for the month instead of behind and turn off service quickly for non-payment. credit checks are too expensive and bothersome. 2 cents -sean On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: My mission this morning is to figure out how I'm going to do credit checks on potential new customers. While I'm on hold with Experian, I wonder if anybody else is doing credit checks who can share what they're doing. What company are you using? How much does it cost? How hard was it to get set up?
Re: [AFMUG] Platypus Update and Event Scheduler Issues
Yup, I got hit by that one too. All: I wish Platypus would have proactively emailed us about this...but I just called support and found out this. I've been pulling my hair out for some time after a Platypus update. It appears that the latest version released on 9/24 (literally the day after I upgraded last) has an issue with processing referrals. It causes the event status to get tagged as processing and never finishes. As a result, additional events never run because the status is stuck on processing. I can confirm the latest release fixes this issue. Regards, Chuck
Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
Or 12 port? Anything more than 4. Rack mount 24 port sync over power injector. Possibly with surge protection. On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list. With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux. We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of expecting a lot of revenue from them. A couple of these have appeared on the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules. So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm particularly looking for products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or even better at every customer location. I know these product ideas exist out there, and I'd love to hear them. Feel free to throw ideas out which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into. One final note - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber conversion, etc.. I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that desire. There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but there are many hurdles left to make it a reality. If there's a simplified version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us. So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run with them. -forrest
Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info
Survey doneI'm going to address a question you didn't ask in the survey: There are two things I hate about 900mhz: First is the lower capacity, and a lot of the survey questions were pertinent to that. The second is there is a ton of interference and that makes it unreliable. I think it would be nice if a product could deliver higher capacity in 900mhz, but I also think it would be nice if we could get some rock solid IP connectivity without line of sight, even if it was at a low speed. I won't presume to tell Cambium how to do that, but maybe your next product could have an option for very small channels, or FHSS, or maybe tx and rx on different channels so I can avoid listening on a noisy channel at the tower but still transmit on it. I'd love to have more options in the toolbox to make a NLOS link keep on chugging along for telemetry, or remote desktop, or a single camera, or whatever. As some of you may already be aware, we are conducting some inquiries surrounding the 900 MHz band in order to properly address concerns in using this band, and help provide us the information needed to develop the product that you need to deliver service to your customers. The survey is just over 20 questions, and is located here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XNS38W6 Please help us help you! Any information we gather will help us to make sure we're developing the right product for your needs, and this info will not be used for any commercial or solicitation purposes. It's optional to fill in the contact info at the end, but I encourage you to do so, in case further exploration of a few of the responses could help even more. The survey will stay open for about 2 weeks, so try to get to it soon. Let me know if you have any questions or problems accessing the survey. Thanks, *Matt Mangriotis* Senior Product Manager* Cambium Networks** *3800 Golf Road, Suite 360 Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 www.cambiumnetworks.com http://www.cambiumnetworks.com* **O: *847-439-6379** *M: *630-308-9394* E: *m...@cambiumnetworks.com mailto:m...@cambiumnetworks.com*__* CN_logo_horizontal_blueIcon_blackName
Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info
Suppose the next generation of Cambium 900mhz could be configured as a big channel, high capacity, broadband internet radio.or also as a tiny channel, low speed, super reliable radio for SCADA and other telemetry and industrial automation type applications. Then the product could break into a new market. And then I could sell 900 to the local SCADA users except I'd be able to GPS sync with them. Then Cambium gets new customers and we all coexist happily ever after. Survey doneI'm going to address a question you didn't ask in the survey: There are two things I hate about 900mhz: First is the lower capacity, and a lot of the survey questions were pertinent to that. The second is there is a ton of interference and that makes it unreliable. I think it would be nice if a product could deliver higher capacity in 900mhz, but I also think it would be nice if we could get some rock solid IP connectivity without line of sight, even if it was at a low speed. I won't presume to tell Cambium how to do that, but maybe your next product could have an option for very small channels, or FHSS, or maybe tx and rx on different channels so I can avoid listening on a noisy channel at the tower but still transmit on it. I'd love to have more options in the toolbox to make a NLOS link keep on chugging along for telemetry, or remote desktop, or a single camera, or whatever. As some of you may already be aware, we are conducting some inquiries surrounding the 900 MHz band in order to properly address concerns in using this band, and help provide us the information needed to develop the product that you need to deliver service to your customers. The survey is just over 20 questions, and is located here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XNS38W6 Please help us help you! Any information we gather will help us to make sure we're developing the right product for your needs, and this info will not be used for any commercial or solicitation purposes. It's optional to fill in the contact info at the end, but I encourage you to do so, in case further exploration of a few of the responses could help even more. The survey will stay open for about 2 weeks, so try to get to it soon. Let me know if you have any questions or problems accessing the survey. Thanks, *Matt Mangriotis* Senior Product Manager* Cambium Networks** *3800 Golf Road, Suite 360 Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 www.cambiumnetworks.com http://www.cambiumnetworks.com* **O: *847-439-6379** *M: *630-308-9394* E: *m...@cambiumnetworks.com mailto:m...@cambiumnetworks.com*__* CN_logo_horizontal_blueIcon_blackName
Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info
I think a TOW missile would fit that description. If you make a product that renders smart meters inoperative I will pay whatever you want! Steve B. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Mangriotis via Af *Sent:* Monday, October 06, 2014 10:57 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info As some of you may already be aware, we are conducting some inquiries surrounding the 900 MHz band in order to properly address concerns in using this band, and help provide us the information needed to develop the product that you need to deliver service to your customers. The survey is just over 20 questions, and is located here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XNS38W6 Please help us help you! Any information we gather will help us to make sure we're developing the right product for your needs, and this info will not be used for any commercial or solicitation purposes. It's optional to fill in the contact info at the end, but I encourage you to do so, in case further exploration of a few of the responses could help even more. The survey will stay open for about 2 weeks, so try to get to it soon. Let me know if you have any questions or problems accessing the survey. Thanks, *Matt Mangriotis* Senior Product Manager* Cambium Networks** *3800 Golf Road, Suite 360 Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 www.cambiumnetworks.com http://www.cambiumnetworks.com* O: *847-439-6379** *M: *630-308-9394* E: *m...@cambiumnetworks.com mailto:m...@cambiumnetworks.com*__* CN_logo_horizontal_blueIcon_blackName
Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus
It may be 9.8.2 with security fixes backported from later versions. I would disagree, didn’t Steve say the latest he updated to was 9.8.2? https://kb.isc.org/article/AA-00913/0/BIND-9-Security-Vulnerability-Matrix.html ISC shows 9.8.8 EOL as of September 2014, so 9.8.2 is quite a few versions old. With all the DNS amplification attacks and these zero day exploits coming out all the time, I’d want to be pretty current, plus I believe 9.10 gives you RRL in your toolbox to deal with attacks although I’ll admit I haven’t had time to experiment with it. *From:* Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, October 03, 2014 6:10 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus The server based distributions like CentOS\RHEL and Debian generally are close to current regarding security updates even if they don't have the latest version. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, October 2, 2014 5:30:01 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus You need a named.conf that defines the slave zones and the IP address of the master. But first step is to download/compile/install the latest version of BIND, it’s actually quite easy. I doubt you can get the version you want via yum update because CentOS is based on RHEL which is always a few steps behind. Given the DNS attacks, you want the latest BIND. You might then want to lock out the package from being updated by yum. *From:* That One Guy via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 02, 2014 4:36 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus So Im at a new Centos with webmin fresh bind install. We have one master, one slave server I have never set up bind, this was done before me. If I were to take down the old slave server and bring this one up on its IP will the master update this one, or is there a config I need to move over. Im more comfotable doing the slave first. These are all webmin, but the original is ubuntu and the new is centos On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Paul Stewart via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I always install CentOS bare bones …. “minimal server” is what the installation will call it. This way you can install whatever you like after installation and not worry about removing many dozen packages you don’t need… Just my preference anyways…. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 02, 2014 2:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus 2 questions in this 1. when running through the current centos installation, what do i select for the server type, for powercode it says select basic server 2. is there a guide for building dedicated centos servers based on server purpose? I assume there are packages I dont need to install if its only got this purpose On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Paul Stewart via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: CentOS+BIND+Webmin JI can’t remember but Usermin might be the part you’re looking for specific to users updating their own DNS….. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 02, 2014 1:21 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus Is there a good, simple package for locally hosted DNS Servers for people like me who dont want to get too far into managing the linux at a granular level? we are used to the webmin interface. It would be nice if it had the option to set up client accounts for some clients to manage their own DNS but not view others, but thats in no way a deal breaker -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore,
Re: [AFMUG] MARRIOTT TO PAY $600, 000 TO RESOLVE WIFI-BLOCKING INVESTIGATION
Interesting...so the Cisco wifi controller feature that can DOS rogue AP's with de-auth packets might actually be a crime to use? On 10/3/2014 1:27 PM, Hardy, Tim via Af wrote: https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-329743A1.docx
Re: [AFMUG] MARRIOTT TO PAY $600, 000 TO RESOLVE WIFI-BLOCKING INVESTIGATION
being a hotel might be the thing that made it a problem. If an enterprise or hospital does it as a security measure, I have trouble believing that's illegal. Marriott are dicks, but here's an interesting question... broad spectrum 2.4 or 5 GHz jammers are illegal, yeah. But is an 802.11-compliant device issuing deauth requests illegal, if part-15 devices are supposed to accept any unwanted interference and there's no recourse? Provided that the device issuing deauth requests is operating within spec for EIRP, channel plan, etc. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Hardy, Tim via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-329743A1.docx
Re: [AFMUG] MARRIOTT TO PAY $600, 000 TO RESOLVE WIFI-BLOCKING INVESTIGATION
It's an intentionally extreme example. even further, in the example of the defence contractor's facility... plans for the JSF. at minimum: a) you would never have the plans outside of a SCIF b) no outside equipment or wireless equipment would be allowed inside the SCIF c) the SCIF would be TEMPEST rated and certified d) people who had not gone through a full security clearance process would not be permitted inside the SCIF On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I am guessing that if someone was going to steal secrets from a defense contractor, they would be more sneaky than that. I have been in some DOD contractors’ plants where you checked your cell phone at the front door and you did not take even a jump drive to or from home. Each workstation was connected via fiber. None of them had USB or ethernet ports. Keyboard and mouse were hard wired to the box. And they all had to be turned off before guys like me got to enter the room. In one plant, I needed to find a software bug that was preventing my airborne PBX from connecting to their satellite transceiver. I had to send my computer to them a week in advance for them to examine before I arrived. Then I could work on my own computer and compiler while in the lab. But I didn’t get to take anything home with me. The examined my computer a second time and then sent my my computer with my altered source code. (Actually, the fix was to their system. I was quite gleeful and smug about that. But I did make some comments to my code. I could have carried on without the latest version of my code). *From:* Adam Moffett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, October 03, 2014 1:08 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] MARRIOTT TO PAY $600,000 TO RESOLVE WIFI-BLOCKING INVESTIGATION I dunno. If Marriott was using it to force people to buy access to their own wifi, then that's a bit shifty. If Lockheed Martin wants to deauth rogue AP's so nobody plugs in a wifi AP in the engineering department and the file server containing plans for the Joint Strike Fighter is suddenly exposed via wifi to somebody sitting in the parking lot, then I think they're justified. I would say the same about any company trying to protect trade secrets or other IP. In the law firm example where they are hurting other tenants in the building, that's probably not ok. The hypothetical law firm should have to take steps to ensure that their wifi can't leave their own area, or move their practice to a fenced in compound like Lockheed. This is not me telling you what's legaljust me saying what I think is fair and reasonable. On the other hand, I guess if I was Lockhead Martin, I'd probably just write the FCC the $600,000 check and then send a bill for it to the DOD. So then those Enterprise security types are going to have to stick to disabling Ethernet ports, I guess. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Chuck McCown via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, October 3, 2014 1:13:45 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] MARRIOTT TO PAY $600,000 TO RESOLVE WIFI-BLOCKING INVESTIGATION “No person shall willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause interference to any radio communications of any station licensed or authorized by or under this Act or operated by the United States Government” Wifi is authorized. You don’t have the legal right to deauth any AP sessions but your own. I would think the manufacturer of equipment that makes this possible would be just as liable as manufacturers of RF jammers. *From:* Eric Kuhnke via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, October 03, 2014 12:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] MARRIOTT TO PAY $600,000 TO RESOLVE WIFI-BLOCKING INVESTIGATION Sounds like they're setting a precedent that a landlord can't operate rogue AP detection/automatic deauth against tenants or customers. Should still be fine in an enterprise environment. Where it gets possibly weird is, let's say you're a major law firm that is a tenant in a large office building. You occupy half a floor. You operate your own enterprise wifi system and use cisco's rogue AP deauth feature. The tenants in the other suite (a totally separate business) on the other half of the same floor notice that wifi tethering doesn't work on any of their phones, and their pocket wifi hotspots don't work. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Hardy, Tim via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote
[AFMUG] 450 sector
We're actually really liking the 450 sector with the third 10dbi connector. We first used it to put connectorized FSK radios on the tower without adding another antenna. Since then we've discussed using it with ePMP or other products just to have the third connector for other uses. We like the idea that we can sneak another single polarity 5.4 or 5.7 radio up without much fuss. I was wondering if they're going to keep making that antenna even though the FSK compatibility never worked out. Has the rumor mill heard anything about it going away or not? Any official word from Cambium?
Re: [AFMUG] more cable companies cut the tv cord
I might do the same thing if I was a cable company with a couple hundred subscribers. Or maybe only carry channels I could get free or cheap. They ought to be able to carry a few gbps on their coax if they dropped TV and ran DOCSIS 3 on every channel. - Original Message - *From:* Jay Fuller - Cyber Broadband Inc mailto:jayful...@cyberbroadband.net *To:* Cyber Broadband Inc. mailto:voicemailgr...@cyberbroadband.net *Sent:* Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:42 AM *Subject:* more cable companies cut the tv cord More Cable Companies Take TV Off Menu 4 hrs ago - AP A growing group of small cable-TV providers are realizing that both they and their customers can live without expensive TV channels. Of the 100 million homes in the U.S. that subscribe to pay TV, about 14% are served by smaller companies that have a million or fewer customers. In some cases, they serve fewer than 100. Faced with rising programming costs, some of those companies---such as Ringgold Telephone Co. in Georgia and BTC Broadband in Bixby, Okla.---have pulled the plug on TV service altogether, preferring to simply focus on Internet and phone service. Others, meanwhile, are dropping major groups of channels to manage their costs. The latest is Suddenlink Communications, an operator that serves about one million customers, which says it plans to dropViacom Inc.'s TV channels, including Nickelodeon and MTV, at midnight Tuesday. Suddenlink says it has already signed long-term contracts with other channels to fill the Viacom channels' slots. The shift poses a potential threat to big media companies. These cable providers are tiny compared with industry titans like Comcast Corp., but the fees they pay media companies for rights to carry programming add up. Cable channel owners---which include major media companies such as Walt Disney Co. and Time Warner Inc.---this year will collect a total of $35 billion in license fees, according to SNL Kagan. But that figure could erode if more small players give up on offering customers the big TV bundle. After seven years of selling customers cable-TV services, BTC Broadband got out of that business late last year and now provides just broadband and phone services. The Oklahoma company, which had been serving about 420 TV subscribers, decided it simply couldn't afford to keep paying rising fees to carry a basic lineup of channels including ESPN, TNT and MTV. BTC President Scott Floyd estimated that if the company continued to pass on rising programming costs to consumers and maintained its thin profit margins, by 2016 cable-TV bills would rise to $130 from about $60. I think the TV model is broken, said Mr. Floyd. In five years, operators representing about 5 million pay-TV subscribers---5% of current pay TV households---will no longer be doing business the way they do today with video, estimates Rich Fickle, chief executive of the National Cable Television Cooperative, a consortium that negotiates programming deals on behalf of about 915 small cable-TV providers. A loss of 5% of households in a few years could shave off about $2.4 billion in revenue for basic cable networks alone, which by 2018 would be raking in about $47 billion in carriage fees, according to SNL Kagan estimates. The change in the market is going to come from the bottom, said NCTC's Mr. Fickle. Bigger pay-TV companies like Comcast and DirecTV aren't likely to make similar moves away from pay-TV service, he said, because they enjoy better profit margins and are busy pursuing big mergers. Some operators say they are gradually being pushed out of the TV business as subscribers drop their expensive TV subscriptions and watch shows on cheaper Internet video services. Those who have exited completely say that while many customers switched to satellite service, a growing number simply migrate to online video. Missouri-based Boycom Cablevision Inc. has sold cable-TV service since the early 1990s, but now counts only 1,000 TV customers out of its total 5,000 subscribers. We have truly morphed into a broadband-only provider in a lot of our markets, says Patty Boyers, co-founder of Boycom. Tom Might, chief executive of Graham Holdings Co.'s CableOne, which serves nearly 700,000 subscribers in 19 states, says reducing emphasis on video service in favor of broadband has led to higher profits, even though some customers were lost in the process. The trends are kind of hard to fight, he said. Better to join them and make your profit where the business is growing. Since 2008, small telecom companies representing about 53,000 customers have shut off cable-TV services or gone out of business, according to the NCTC. Over the last three years, the number of customers affected by such decisions has accelerated. At least one midsize operator, Cablevision Systems Corp., which serves nearly 3 million TV customers in the New York metropolitan area, has said it
Re: [AFMUG] more cable companies cut the tv cord
I think they're getting more like 30mbps in a 5mhz channel now, with a guardband. Here's a little tidbit from Wikipedia: DOCSIS 3.1 Released October 2013, plans support capacities of at least 10 Gbit/s downstream and 1 Gbit/s upstream using 4096 QAM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrature_amplitude_modulation. The new specs will do away with 6 MHz and 8 MHz wide channel spacing and instead use smaller (20 kHz to 50 kHz wide) orthogonal frequency-division multiplexing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthogonal_frequency-division_multiplexing (OFDM) subcarriers; these can be bonded inside a block spectrum that could end up being about 200 MHz wide.^[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#cite_note-5 ^That's a lotta capacity if they can dump enough TV channels to free up a contiguous 200mhz. That's what I was thinking as well. The comments about margin pressure were interesting. Carrying TV impacts that significantly, plus as you say, each HD TV channel eats about 6 Mbps of cable capacity. 100 channels = 600 Mbps. bp On 10/2/2014 7:38 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: I might do the same thing if I was a cable company with a couple hundred subscribers. Or maybe only carry channels I could get free or cheap. They ought to be able to carry a few gbps on their coax if they dropped TV and ran DOCSIS 3 on every channel. - Original Message - *From:* Jay Fuller - Cyber Broadband Inc mailto:jayful...@cyberbroadband.net *To:* Cyber Broadband Inc. mailto:voicemailgr...@cyberbroadband.net *Sent:* Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:42 AM *Subject:* more cable companies cut the tv cord More Cable Companies Take TV Off Menu 4 hrs ago - AP A growing group of small cable-TV providers are realizing that both they and their customers can live without expensive TV channels. Of the 100 million homes in the U.S. that subscribe to pay TV, about 14% are served by smaller companies that have a million or fewer customers. In some cases, they serve fewer than 100. Faced with rising programming costs, some of those companies---such as Ringgold Telephone Co. in Georgia and BTC Broadband in Bixby, Okla.---have pulled the plug on TV service altogether, preferring to simply focus on Internet and phone service. Others, meanwhile, are dropping major groups of channels to manage their costs. The latest is Suddenlink Communications, an operator that serves about one million customers, which says it plans to dropViacom Inc.'s TV channels, including Nickelodeon and MTV, at midnight Tuesday. Suddenlink says it has already signed long-term contracts with other channels to fill the Viacom channels' slots. The shift poses a potential threat to big media companies. These cable providers are tiny compared with industry titans like Comcast Corp., but the fees they pay media companies for rights to carry programming add up. Cable channel owners---which include major media companies such as Walt Disney Co. and Time Warner Inc.---this year will collect a total of $35 billion in license fees, according to SNL Kagan. But that figure could erode if more small players give up on offering customers the big TV bundle. After seven years of selling customers cable-TV services, BTC Broadband got out of that business late last year and now provides just broadband and phone services. The Oklahoma company, which had been serving about 420 TV subscribers, decided it simply couldn't afford to keep paying rising fees to carry a basic lineup of channels including ESPN, TNT and MTV. BTC President Scott Floyd estimated that if the company continued to pass on rising programming costs to consumers and maintained its thin profit margins, by 2016 cable-TV bills would rise to $130 from about $60. I think the TV model is broken, said Mr. Floyd. In five years, operators representing about 5 million pay-TV subscribers---5% of current pay TV households---will no longer be doing business the way they do today with video, estimates Rich Fickle, chief executive of the National Cable Television Cooperative, a consortium that negotiates programming deals on behalf of about 915 small cable-TV providers. A loss of 5% of households in a few years could shave off about $2.4 billion in revenue for basic cable networks alone, which by 2018 would be raking in about $47 billion in carriage fees, according to SNL Kagan estimates. The change in the market is going to come from the bottom, said NCTC's Mr. Fickle. Bigger pay-TV companies like Comcast and DirecTV aren't likely to make similar moves away from pay-TV service, he said, because they enjoy better profit margins and are busy pursuing big mergers. Some operators say they are gradually being pushed out of the TV business as subscribers drop their expensive TV subscriptions and watch shows on cheaper Internet video services. Those who have exited completely say that while many customers switched to satellite service
Re: [AFMUG] DiffServ and the internet
I looked at the same thing :) The RTP header is pretty short. You've technically got 12 bytes of RTP header, but some of it is sequence number and timestamp which I don't know how you could match on. You can make reasonable guesses about what the first 16 bits are going to be, after that you really only know the length of the rest of the header and the length of the payload. I personally could not write a regexp that would be substantially more accurate than matching the whole packet length. Maybe ask whoever wrote wireshark. I saw this L7 match rule somewhere: ^\x80[\x01-`-\x7f\x80-\xa2\xe0-\xff]?..*\x80 but the plain english version of that is something like, the sequence starts with 0x80, then there's another byte that might match several patterns, and then there are some more bytes, and then another 0x80. Which I don't think is much better than just matching the length. It also doesn't match any of my actual VoIP traffic anyway. Here's another thought: You can easily match SIP packets. They contain plain text headers that you can match. You could just match port 5060, but Google Voice and 8x8 both stopped using the standard port, so instead you look for content containing SIP Invite or some such. You could add matching IP addresses to an address list with a 1 hour expiration, then subsequent rules look for the appropriately sized UDP packets to and from the IP addresses that you previously saw sending SIP packets. /ip firewall mangle add action=add-src-to-address-list address-list=recentSIPInvite \ address-list-timeout=1h chain=prerouting content=INVITE disabled=no \ protocol=udp add action=accept chain=prerouting disabled=no packet-size=200 protocol=udp \ src-address-list=recentSIPInvite add action=accept chain=prerouting disabled=no dst-address-list=\ recentSIPInvite packet-size=200 protocol=udp The above matches all the RTP traffic in my office. I could probably be more accurate than watching for the string INVITE and I could narrow the field of packets that are worth spending CPU on content matching.but it works. Is there no way to make an L7 rule to do this? Here's what Wireshark gives me. Can't I do something with this information? On 9/30/2014 4:05 PM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: So one simple workaround I saw was was to match UDP packets at specific sizes. Every single G.711 RTP packet my phone sends is a UDP packet that's 200 bytes every time. I'm sure it would eventually overmatch something, but it's simple and low cost. The example I saw was matching every UDP packet from 100-400 bytes that wasn't already matched by some other criteria. A quick test here worked with a rule set to match at exactly 200 bytesso I'm thinking rather than saying every mid size UDP packet is VoIP that maybe I'll match the specific sizes of packets in common codecs with 20ms frame sizes. Yeah, it's more complicated than just giving the PBX a public and setting DSCP on every packet destined to that IP. I can't have everything end up in the HP queue, that will create more problems than the one I'm trying to solve. I need to figure out a way to identify the traffic and mangle DSCP on at the edge routers. On 9/30/2014 11:04 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: but like George, I would also be interested in some sort of rule that would match RTP voice traffic. I don't see any easy way to do it, but wireshark seems to pick up on it reliably, so I guess there's a way. +1 Seems like the easiest answer. On 9/30/2014 11:05 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Is the company’s PBX behind their firewall? If you give it a dedicated IP address, then you can tag based on destination IP. *From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:55 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DiffServ and the internet These are business customers with on-site PBXs with a VoIP Innovations SIP trunk. Yeah, if we were running a local switch, then this problem would be a whole lot easier to solve, but that's not what I have to work with at this point. As far as I can tell, there's no easy way to identify the VoIP Innovations audio streams. They come from tons of different source address and use random ports from 1 to 2. And it's a mix of G711 and G729. No idea, I'm just the network guy. On 9/30/2014 9:28 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: That’s what I do, there’s another way? We put customer ATAs on private IPs so it wouldn’t work if traffic bypassed our server. Is there a configuration parameter on the SIP trunk that tells it to send RTP traffic directly to the endpoint? We also have a multisite business customer that uses a hosted VoIP service (Star2Star) with an appliance at each site, we give each appliance its own public IP and tag traffic to those IPs. *From:* Adam Moffett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9
Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Hotspot interfering with AirControl
You need to add a hostpot bypass rule for the network that you don't want subjected to the hotspot. Can it be disabled? On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Apparently Miktotik employs something called ARP poisoning as a default. Just letting anyone know that might run into this. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:29 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Hotspot interfering with AirControl We are on the inside with our laptops on static IP addresses. It kills the laptop from talking to the AP directly. Just trying to figure out how that’s happening. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, September 30, 2014 1:38 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Hotspot interfering with AirControl I believe you will have to manipulate the firewall and walled garden On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: When we turn on the hotspot, AirControl goes offline and all the APs are on a different subnet. We can’t even log into the APs. Haven’t checked with WireShark yet but just wondering if this is simply a setting or some function of the software? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 tel:602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Hotspot interfering with AirControl
It might use ARP spoofing, I don't recall if the docs ever specified how it does it, but I know the hotspot service will break absolutely everything plugged into that interface unless you add a bypass rule for it. I don't think that address-pool=none is going to do what you think. We won’t be able to test until after 5pm tonight but I’ll let you know. I’m just trying to figure out how the devices are getting affected on a different subnet from the hotspot DHCP users. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 01, 2014 9:25 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Hotspot interfering with AirControl Did that help any? I was thinking of this one: /ip hotspot ip-binding add address=192.168.1.0/24 type=bypassed disabled=no replace 192.168.1.0/24 with the network where your unifi stuff lives I have not tried this with UniFi in particular, but I do know that this will allow that subnet to function without logging or seeing the splash page. I've used it to allow management access to equipment, IP cameras, etc. Without the bypass rule, no device can do anything unless it can open a web browser and log in first. This was one option I found. /ip hotspot set 0 address-pool=none Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 01, 2014 8:44 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Hotspot interfering with AirControl You need to add a hostpot bypass rule for the network that you don't want subjected to the hotspot. Can it be disabled? On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Apparently Miktotik employs something called ARP poisoning as a default. Just letting anyone know that might run into this. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:29 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Hotspot interfering with AirControl We are on the inside with our laptops on static IP addresses. It kills the laptop from talking to the AP directly. Just trying to figure out how that’s happening. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, September 30, 2014 1:38 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Hotspot interfering with AirControl I believe you will have to manipulate the firewall and walled garden On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: When we turn on the hotspot, AirControl goes offline and all the APs are on a different subnet. We can’t even log into the APs. Haven’t checked with WireShark yet but just wondering if this is simply a setting or some function of the software? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 tel:602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] BTEST server in the Internet ?
Also, if anybody can hit me with a btest on 208.99.240.158 I'm curious what you can get on it. Does anybody have a btest server on gigE with upload capacity to spare? I wanted to test download on a new gigE link. I got 350meg on Sterling's. Thanks Sterling. I have an open one at 50.114.231.72 I think it’s good for at least 300-400Mbps. I’ve seen it go as high as 1.2Gbps. So it just depends what your router/carrier is to us at that IP. *From:* af@afmug.com [mailto:af@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, July 9, 2014 10:28 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BTEST server in the Internet ? How much speed are you looking for? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Image removed by sender. https://www.facebook.com/ICSILImage removed by sender. https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbImage removed by sender. https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionsImage removed by sender. https://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, July 9, 2014 11:21:36 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] BTEST server in the Internet ? Anyone have a TIK with the Bandwidth Server enabled we can test to ? We just need a more reliable test (Mikrotik) vs. using speedtest.net and the like Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] BTEST server in the Internet ?
awesome, thanks guys. Both are results from RB1100AHx2 routers in our network directly behind the Cisco. You can traceroute the IPs to see what path you take to get there. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/01/2014 11:35 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: Also, if anybody can hit me with a btest on 208.99.240.158 I'm curious what you can get on it. Does anybody have a btest server on gigE with upload capacity to spare? I wanted to test download on a new gigE link. I got 350meg on Sterling's. Thanks Sterling. I have an open one at 50.114.231.72 I think it’s good for at least 300-400Mbps. I’ve seen it go as high as 1.2Gbps. So it just depends what your router/carrier is to us at that IP. *From:* af@afmug.com [mailto:af@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, July 9, 2014 10:28 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BTEST server in the Internet ? How much speed are you looking for? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Image removed by sender. https://www.facebook.com/ICSILImage removed by sender. https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbImage removed by sender. https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionsImage removed by sender. https://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, July 9, 2014 11:21:36 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] BTEST server in the Internet ? Anyone have a TIK with the Bandwidth Server enabled we can test to ? We just need a more reliable test (Mikrotik) vs. using speedtest.net and the like Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] BTEST server in the Internet ?
That IP has a 1gig CIR on a 10Gig port. I haven't seen that symptom before, but I wonder if it's something to do with the 10gig SFP. Anyone see this before on CCR routers? I'm on 6.19 and when running UDP bandwidth to you, it shows 8.4 Gbps but the interface shows 990 Mbps. WinBox glitch or firmware glitch? I was going to find this email myself to test our two new GigE circuits from Cogent and HE. Look like my testing is working well from both our connections. If any of you want to do some extended testing to our circuits, I would appreciate your results as well. Two IP's located below. Thanks 216.66.74.242 Hurricane Circuit 38.88.189.18 Cogent Circuit On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: awesome, thanks guys. Both are results from RB1100AHx2 routers in our network directly behind the Cisco. You can traceroute the IPs to see what path you take to get there. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 On 10/01/2014 11:35 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: Also, if anybody can hit me with a btest on 208.99.240.158 I'm curious what you can get on it. Does anybody have a btest server on gigE with upload capacity to spare? I wanted to test download on a new gigE link. I got 350meg on Sterling's. Thanks Sterling. I have an open one at 50.114.231.72 I think it’s good for at least 300-400Mbps. I’ve seen it go as high as 1.2Gbps. So it just depends what your router/carrier is to us at that IP. *From:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com [mailto:af@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, July 9, 2014 10:28 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BTEST server in the Internet ? How much speed are you looking for? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Image removed by sender. https://www.facebook.com/ICSILImage removed by sender. https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbImage removed by sender. https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionsImage removed by sender. https://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, July 9, 2014 11:21:36 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] BTEST server in the Internet ? Anyone have a TIK with the Bandwidth Server enabled we can test to ? We just need a more reliable test (Mikrotik) vs. using speedtest.net http://speedtest.net and the like Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] BTEST server in the Internet ?
I got Auth Failed on your HE circuit. Tools-Btest Server, uncheck authenticate. For some reason I can't connect to the Cogent IP eitherbut no error message. Just says connecting at the bottom of the window. Anyone see this before on CCR routers? I'm on 6.19 and when running UDP bandwidth to you, it shows 8.4 Gbps but the interface shows 990 Mbps. WinBox glitch or firmware glitch? I was going to find this email myself to test our two new GigE circuits from Cogent and HE. Look like my testing is working well from both our connections. If any of you want to do some extended testing to our circuits, I would appreciate your results as well. Two IP's located below. Thanks 216.66.74.242 Hurricane Circuit 38.88.189.18 Cogent Circuit On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: awesome, thanks guys. Both are results from RB1100AHx2 routers in our network directly behind the Cisco. You can traceroute the IPs to see what path you take to get there. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 On 10/01/2014 11:35 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: Also, if anybody can hit me with a btest on 208.99.240.158 I'm curious what you can get on it. Does anybody have a btest server on gigE with upload capacity to spare? I wanted to test download on a new gigE link. I got 350meg on Sterling's. Thanks Sterling. I have an open one at 50.114.231.72 I think it’s good for at least 300-400Mbps. I’ve seen it go as high as 1.2Gbps. So it just depends what your router/carrier is to us at that IP. *From:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com [mailto:af@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, July 9, 2014 10:28 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BTEST server in the Internet ? How much speed are you looking for? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Image removed by sender. https://www.facebook.com/ICSILImage removed by sender. https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbImage removed by sender. https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionsImage removed by sender. https://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, July 9, 2014 11:21:36 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] BTEST server in the Internet ? Anyone have a TIK with the Bandwidth Server enabled we can test to ? We just need a more reliable test (Mikrotik) vs. using speedtest.net http://speedtest.net and the like Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] DiffServ and the internet
I've been cheating up until this point. If you force the audio to be bridged through your own server then you can tag all the traffic that goes to and from that server. It doesn't seem to make a huge difference versus having RTP go straight to the carrier. If you're not transcoding then the added CPU usage is minimal. Faxing seems to work better if I'm not bridging the audio, but why am I faxing anyway, right? I tried all kinds of stuff tonight, none were any good. I wonder if there's a way on MT to snoop SIP messages and look for the SIP contact IPs and mark those. Seems tricky. And I R no smrt enuf. On 9/29/2014 9:37 PM, Chris Fabien via Af wrote: Packet size and rate is pretty consistent right? Just a thought... On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:05 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Speaking of DSCP and carriers zeroing it in the middle, I have some VoIP Innovations trunks. I know where the SIP messages are coming from, so I can mangle a DSCP value back onto those packets at ingress. But the RTP traffic comes from all over the freakin place, tons of different source address, never the same. I've asked if they could provide a list and pretty much got a no. Anybody have any ideas? Any way for a MT to identify an RTP stream and then dynamically add a mangle rule to change the DSCP value? My MT script-fu is not strong.
Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
I hope you'll tell the list when the messages get sent so I can look for it. Git r done. Regards, Chuck On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:48 AM, James Howard via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Is the poll closed yet? If not, I’d like to vote “Yay” also which would seem to put the count at 2-0 in favor! *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller via Af *Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2014 8:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered Yay Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered Date: Mon, Sep 29, 2014 8:20 PM Guys, As some of you are aware, PDMNet’s behind the scenes management of the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an Amazon server. Some very good things have come from that decision so far… no mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our knowledge). The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly complex at first blush. A lot more time went to getting this setup that we anticipated, but that’s life. It costs a little more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it. One of the differences is the way the headers are handled. Out of the box, Amazon required us to “munge” the headers in such a way that we could customize them to meet Amazon’s strict mass-emailing rules. This causes some differences in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of threading than most of us, some grief. We are way PAST the discussion about what is “right” etc. Respectfully, lets move on from that “debate”. The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email header fashion is to use their API. We knew this was an option when we brought the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve. And, indeed it was! We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test Mailman list internally. Basically the API allows us / requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address. S…. In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the list. We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an authenticated user for the list. Assuming that we haven’t overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window. All in favor ? All opposed? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net *Total Control Panel* Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.net https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 0148c4289a8a-55eb447f-6dbb-485f-b178-9f956e87d322-000...@amazonses.com https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2650304992domain=litewire.net Message Score: 2 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: High Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2650304992domain=litewire.net this sender / Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2650304992domain=litewire.net this sender enterprise-wide Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2650304992domain=litewire.net amazonses.com http://amazonses.com / Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2650304992domain=litewire.net amazonses.com http://amazonses.com enterprise-wide /This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter
Re: [AFMUG] DiffServ and the internet
+1 Seems like the easiest answer. On 9/30/2014 11:05 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Is the company’s PBX behind their firewall? If you give it a dedicated IP address, then you can tag based on destination IP. *From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:55 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DiffServ and the internet These are business customers with on-site PBXs with a VoIP Innovations SIP trunk. Yeah, if we were running a local switch, then this problem would be a whole lot easier to solve, but that's not what I have to work with at this point. As far as I can tell, there's no easy way to identify the VoIP Innovations audio streams. They come from tons of different source address and use random ports from 1 to 2. And it's a mix of G711 and G729. No idea, I'm just the network guy. On 9/30/2014 9:28 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: That’s what I do, there’s another way? We put customer ATAs on private IPs so it wouldn’t work if traffic bypassed our server. Is there a configuration parameter on the SIP trunk that tells it to send RTP traffic directly to the endpoint? We also have a multisite business customer that uses a hosted VoIP service (Star2Star) with an appliance at each site, we give each appliance its own public IP and tag traffic to those IPs. *From:* Adam Moffett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:03 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DiffServ and the internet I've been cheating up until this point. If you force the audio to be bridged through your own server then you can tag all the traffic that goes to and from that server. It doesn't seem to make a huge difference versus having RTP go straight to the carrier. If you're not transcoding then the added CPU usage is minimal. Faxing seems to work better if I'm not bridging the audio, but why am I faxing anyway, right? I tried all kinds of stuff tonight, none were any good. I wonder if there's a way on MT to snoop SIP messages and look for the SIP contact IPs and mark those. Seems tricky. And I R no smrt enuf. On 9/29/2014 9:37 PM, Chris Fabien via Af wrote: Packet size and rate is pretty consistent right? Just a thought... On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:05 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Speaking of DSCP and carriers zeroing it in the middle, I have some VoIP Innovations trunks. I know where the SIP messages are coming from, so I can mangle a DSCP value back onto those packets at ingress. But the RTP traffic comes from all over the freakin place, tons of different source address, never the same. I've asked if they could provide a list and pretty much got a no. Anybody have any ideas? Any way for a MT to identify an RTP stream and then dynamically add a mangle rule to change the DSCP value? My MT script-fu is not strong.
Re: [AFMUG] 7.3.6 AES PKG3
I only have DES.otherwise I would unashamedly hook you up. I have an need to get 7.3.6 AES PKG3 immediately, it sure would suck if someone accidentally sent it to d...@wyoming.com
[AFMUG] iOS update = Expedited Forwarding?
Has anyone else noticed that lots of traffic from Apple 17.0.0.0/8 has DSCP 46 set? Canopy users with iPhones may find that the update is interfering with their regular internet usage unless you take measures to de-prioritize that.
Re: [AFMUG] iOS update = Expedited Forwarding?
Me too. On the one hand, VoIP from Ring Central and some others comes through with an appropriate DSCP tag. On the other hand, so do iOS updates for some reason. On 9/29/2014 12:24 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: You must have a carrier that doesn't zero the DSCP field. I both like and hate that at the same time. On 9/29/2014 11:11 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: Has anyone else noticed that lots of traffic from Apple 17.0.0.0/8 has DSCP 46 set? Canopy users with iPhones may find that the update is interfering with their regular internet usage unless you take measures to de-prioritize that.
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
Strangely enough, I've had the opposite experience with reliability. I've had more mysterious deaths from sync injectors.haven't had a CMM failure in years. You really prefer the CMM? I use to have tons of issues with CMMs losing sync, losing power, dying. It seems to me like the sync injectors are a fraction of the cost and are almost an 'install and forget it' type of product. They just keep on working. I actually prefer the cheaper version that Packetflux offers, having used both extensively. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: .also the PMP100 SyncInjector from Packetflux ought to work with ePMP. You might want the gigE version, but in the real world with a mix of subscribers at different MCS levels I'm not sure how likely you are to exceed 100x100. The CMM4 is a much more rugged beast. It is expensive, but you are not likely to go back and wish you'd bought the cheap one. My plan is to hook up the internal GPS and have it available, but also to provide sync over power. Once you are using GPS sync to re-use channels it becomes critical that it's always working, so better to have two timing sources available IMO. They have built in GPS if youre on a budget, not sure why alot of people are so die hard against using it On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I’m looking at ePMP w/channel reuse from a cost-comparison standpoint. Trying to figure out how much I need to spend on GPS synch for a 4 AP/ 2 channel cluster. Does it need to be a CMM4? I will want to be synching multiple POPs… Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks,LLC -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
%2Bgrip=nbnworks@afmug.com mailto:nbnworks@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:55 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question .also the PMP100 SyncInjector from Packetflux ought to work with ePMP. You might want the gigE version, but in the real world with a mix of subscribers at different MCS levels I'm not sure how likely you are to exceed 100x100. The CMM4 is a much more rugged beast. It is expensive, but you are not likely to go back and wish you'd bought the cheap one. My plan is to hook up the internal GPS and have it available, but also to provide sync over power. Once you are using GPS sync to re-use channels it becomes critical that it's always working, so better to have two timing sources available IMO. They have built in GPS if youre on a budget, not sure why alot of people are so die hard against using it On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I’m looking at ePMP w/channel reuse from a cost-comparison standpoint. Trying to figure out how much I need to spend on GPS synch for a 4 AP/ 2 channel cluster. Does it need to be a CMM4? I will want to be synching multiple POPs… Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks,LLC -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik-tik-tik-tik
The customer is having real issues, so I don't think it's a matter of how pings are handled compared to other traffic. There's also pretty much zero load on any of this stuff. You see this with Ciscos all the time, because pings are handled at the process level rather than the interrupt level.� I would suspect the Mikrotik of something similar, but since MT is linux-based, AFAIK all pings are handled in the kernel at interrupt level.� But that's just a guess, so perhaps MT is handling the pings at the process level for some reason. On 09/25/2014 03:25 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote: I�ve seen that before, but not with fiber anywhere. � My current deployments with RB2011 don�t show this and it�s similar to your setup. � � *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+sterling=avative@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:41 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* [AFMUG] Mikrotik-tik-tik-tik � So I've got several setups like this: CCR - SFP - Fiber - SFP - RB2011 sometimes pinging the RB2011 I can see this once per second delay.� Those pings are at an interval of .2 seconds (ping -i .02) so you can see the delay on every 5th packet corresponds to a once per second tick of some sort.� If I vary the interval, the tick still occurs every one second.� I have multiple installations that do this, and multiples that don'tand I cannot find any rhyme or reason to it.� Connected to one CCR on SFP2 I have an RB2011 that has the symptom, and then I made a virtually identical installation on SFP3 that doesn't do it.� The only thing different is the IP addresses and the length of the fiber (3 feet on the good one, a couple thousand feet on the bad one).� The delay varies anywhere from a few ms to upwards of a hundred ms, and when it's high it affects VoIP so it is a real issue.� I have a few more combinations of things to test, but I wonder if somebody has seen this already who can save me a ton of time.� Anybody? P.S.:� I emailed supp...@mikrotik.com mailto:supp...@mikrotik.com yesterday.� Do they eventually respond or is it a blackhole? !DSPAM:2,542496be61881139814307!
Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik-tik-tik-tik
interesting thought. I have been bit by flow control more times than I care to remember. See if you have any Tx or Rx pause frame counters on either or both ends. If not that then I would suggest a hardware issue of some kind, maybe a failing SFP module. On 9/26/2014 10:25 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: The customer is having real issues, so I don't think it's a matter of how pings are handled compared to other traffic.� There's also pretty much zero load on any of this stuff. You see this with Ciscos all the time, because pings are handled at the process level rather than the interrupt level.� I would suspect the Mikrotik of something similar, but since MT is linux-based, AFAIK all pings are handled in the kernel at interrupt level.� But that's just a guess, so perhaps MT is handling the pings at the process level for some reason. On 09/25/2014 03:25 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote: I�ve seen that before, but not with fiber anywhere. � My current deployments with RB2011 don�t show this and it�s similar to your setup. � � *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+sterling=avative@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:41 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* [AFMUG] Mikrotik-tik-tik-tik � So I've got several setups like this: CCR - SFP - Fiber - SFP - RB2011 sometimes pinging the RB2011 I can see this once per second delay.� Those pings are at an interval of .2 seconds (ping -i .02) so you can see the delay on every 5th packet corresponds to a once per second tick of some sort.� If I vary the interval, the tick still occurs every one second.� I have multiple installations that do this, and multiples that don'tand I cannot find any rhyme or reason to it.� Connected to one CCR on SFP2 I have an RB2011 that has the symptom, and then I made a virtually identical installation on SFP3 that doesn't do it.� The only thing different is the IP addresses and the length of the fiber (3 feet on the good one, a couple thousand feet on the bad one).� The delay varies anywhere from a few ms to upwards of a hundred ms, and when it's high it affects VoIP so it is a real issue.� I have a few more combinations of things to test, but I wonder if somebody has seen this already who can save me a ton of time.� Anybody? P.S.:� I emailed supp...@mikrotik.com mailto:supp...@mikrotik.com yesterday.� Do they eventually respond or is it a blackhole? !DSPAM:2,542496be61881139814307!
Re: [AFMUG] 477 commercial/residential
26, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Pretty much. It’s about integrity, not the perception of integrity. I decided not to oversell business services at this point but that may change when we get more infrastructure in. There are enough low-cost options for businesses that it’s just not profitable. Better to go after the customers that are willing to pay more for a better guaranteed service. We are finding, based on orders, that many companies are willing to pay as much as $750 to get guaranteed services in areas where their options are more limited. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory mailto:af-bounces%2Brory=triadwireless@afmug.com mailto:triadwireless@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett via Af *Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 6:47 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 commercial/residential Yeahbut for the 477 filing the documents all refer to advertised speeds. For residential you can use the maximum advertised speed that's available. For commercial you can use the maximum CIR that's available. What I took away from my reading was they want you to report stuff that anybody could call in and order right now with no excessive farting around, not stuff that you could hypothetically do if you really wanted to. Sort of but not totally. For example, if you are rural and don’t have wireline competitors like cable, low-cost fiber, or DSL that can deliver 25-40Mbps, then you can be more competitive with commercial. In that case, You can charge $300 or more for 25Mbps and up. In suburbs and city environments for the most part, cable providers are delivering 25/5for about $145, 50/10 for about $250, and 100/20 for $350. If your last mile as a WISP is off a PTMP vertical asset like a tower, not only don’t you have the technology to guarantee the 100Mbps for example, you don’t have a lot of room on your AP to deliver 50 or 25Mbps. It’s just not profitable at those levels if you use a standard tower based model in those environments, even assuming you have little interference which is another issue. You also can’t push low-cost business as an option since even 25Mbps DSL is only $100 or less. With residential you not only have more options, you also have a much higher density of users to get a great return on the vertical asset. That being said, there are still opportunities in commercial using other designs. Although there are still pockets of commercial where you might be able to provide a lower cost model if the only other option the businesses have is ADSL , for the most part, we are now targeting businesses that are willing to pay $350 per month or more. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:33 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 477 commercial/residential This choice is based on how you market your services is it not? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
an internal patch On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: So would you be able to switch over to the onboard sync remotely? Do you need an antenna for each AP for using it? Do you think it’s as precise as using an CMM4 (or SyncPipe Deluxe w/Gig Injector) if not as robust? If all POPs are sync’d with same Up/Dn ratio and max cell distance and they’re talking to the same birds, is it pretty much the same? *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip mailto:af-bounces%2Bgrip=nbnworks@afmug.com mailto:nbnworks@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:55 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question .also the PMP100 SyncInjector from Packetflux ought to work with ePMP. You might want the gigE version, but in the real world with a mix of subscribers at different MCS levels I'm not sure how likely you are to exceed 100x100. The CMM4 is a much more rugged beast. It is expensive, but you are not likely to go back and wish you'd bought the cheap one. My plan is to hook up the internal GPS and have it available, but also to provide sync over power. Once you are using GPS sync to re-use channels it becomes critical that it's always working, so better to have two timing sources available IMO. They have built in GPS if youre on a budget, not sure why alot of people are so die hard against using it On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I’m looking at ePMP w/channel reuse from a cost-comparison standpoint. Trying to figure out how much I need to spend on GPS synch for a 4 AP/ 2 channel cluster. Does it need to be a CMM4? I will want to be synching multiple POPs… Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks,LLC -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
CMM4 is available with or without a switch. I believe the CMMmicro (CMM3) was the only CMM that contained hub/switches. Everything else was passthrough. On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: If I am not mistaken, the original CMM had a hub. *From:* Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 10:16 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question My issue with the CMM-type products is they're all switched, correct? I want no layer two devices between my radio and my router. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, September 25, 2014 1:54:45 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question .also the PMP100 SyncInjector from Packetflux ought to work with ePMP. You might want the gigE version, but in the real world with a mix of subscribers at different MCS levels I'm not sure how likely you are to exceed 100x100. The CMM4 is a much more rugged beast. It is expensive, but you are not likely to go back and wish you'd bought the cheap one. My plan is to hook up the internal GPS and have it available, but also to provide sync over power. Once you are using GPS sync to re-use channels it becomes critical that it's always working, so better to have two timing sources available IMO. They have built in GPS if youre on a budget, not sure why alot of people are so die hard against using it On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I’m looking at ePMP w/channel reuse from a cost-comparison standpoint. Trying to figure out how much I need to spend on GPS synch for a 4 AP/ 2 channel cluster. Does it need to be a CMM4? I will want to be synching multiple POPs… Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks,LLC -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
[AFMUG] Installer attire
I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all. Am I crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the internet are we? I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of grumpy old fart.
Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire
We may be doing that. Give them (or make them buy) sweatshirts and jackets with your logo on them. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all. Am I crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the internet are we? I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of grumpy old fart.
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber for tower (revisited)
Every time we found one it was a case of 2+2 = 10. It was always (tremendously) cheaper to pull a pair of THHN wire in the conduit or a UF cable. Also, does anyone sell a similar fiber cable that also includes dc wires? On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Ok, I see that the Superior Essex is available in 2 fiber up to 12 fiber. So I am guessing it would be best to just buy the two fiber and run one to each backhaul. Thoughts? Anyone else doing this? I would guess that without gel would be preferred. I do not miss the days of gravity bringing all the gel down into my rack. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We are looking to run fiber for all of our licensed backhauls. I have seen Superior Essex armored fiber recommended before. I had a couple of questions. Do you usually just use two of the 12 fibers and run one cable to each backhaul? Do they make a version with just two pair? Is there a way for me to run the 12 into a box and then splice it out and run 6 backhauls over it? Would that be the recommended method? Then, on to terminationare most of you using the scoring tool and the field-installable ends that you squeeze to crimp? Are these recommended? Where is the best place to purchase these ends and tools? I have attached Mike's video of this process (which makes it look very simple btw) http://youtu.be/rKWLCVgkNtM
Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire
I dunnoNew York State sells something like a million hunting licenses per year. I don't imagine those million or so people are all wearing camo to work. I think I've got to put on my boss pants and tell him to get a different sweatshirt. I think it depends on your customers. Here in Utah, camo attire would be completely appropriate. Although, I'd prefer camo attire with our company logo on it. I chose a bold color and purchased all of the clothing in that color. We have hats, beanies, hoodies, long sleeve, and short sleeve. I also purchased some white short sleeve shirts and did the digital full-color print logo on those. In the winter I wear a Black Carhart with the logo embroidered on it. I think branding is important. If camo is your brand then go for it! If not, buy them some clothes. I have been more satisfied with the finished product using screenprinting versus full color digital prints. They always seem to end up looking washed out and not nearly as bold as I would like them. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:40 AM, canopy--- via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Give them (or make them buy) sweatshirts and jackets with your logo on them. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all. Am I crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the internet are we? I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of grumpy old fart.
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber for tower (revisited)
We switched to fusion splicing with splice on connectors once we started doing fiber on a daily basis. As such, we have a complete 3M Crimplok kit that we can sell you for way below the price of a new one. If it's not the same thing he's using in that video, it's at least very similar. It was used probably half a dozen times in real life, plus maybe 20 practice ends. email me at a...@plexicomm.net if you're interested and I'll send you photos of the whole kit. Then, on to terminationare most of you using the scoring tool and the field-installable ends that you squeeze to crimp? Are these recommended? Where is the best place to purchase these ends and tools? I have attached Mike's video of this process (which makes it look very simple btw)
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
.also the PMP100 SyncInjector from Packetflux ought to work with ePMP. You might want the gigE version, but in the real world with a mix of subscribers at different MCS levels I'm not sure how likely you are to exceed 100x100. The CMM4 is a much more rugged beast. It is expensive, but you are not likely to go back and wish you'd bought the cheap one. My plan is to hook up the internal GPS and have it available, but also to provide sync over power. Once you are using GPS sync to re-use channels it becomes critical that it's always working, so better to have two timing sources available IMO. They have built in GPS if youre on a budget, not sure why alot of people are so die hard against using it On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I’m looking at ePMP w/channel reuse from a cost-comparison standpoint. Trying to figure out how much I need to spend on GPS synch for a 4 AP/ 2 channel cluster. Does it need to be a CMM4? I will want to be synching multiple POPs… Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks,LLC -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
[AFMUG] Mikrotik-tik-tik-tik
So I've got several setups like this: CCR - SFP - Fiber - SFP - RB2011 sometimes pinging the RB2011 I can see this once per second delay. Those pings are at an interval of .2 seconds (ping -i .02) so you can see the delay on every 5th packet corresponds to a once per second tick of some sort. If I vary the interval, the tick still occurs every one second. I have multiple installations that do this, and multiples that don'tand I cannot find any rhyme or reason to it. Connected to one CCR on SFP2 I have an RB2011 that has the symptom, and then I made a virtually identical installation on SFP3 that doesn't do it. The only thing different is the IP addresses and the length of the fiber (3 feet on the good one, a couple thousand feet on the bad one). The delay varies anywhere from a few ms to upwards of a hundred ms, and when it's high it affects VoIP so it is a real issue. I have a few more combinations of things to test, but I wonder if somebody has seen this already who can save me a ton of time. Anybody? P.S.: I emailed supp...@mikrotik.com yesterday. Do they eventually respond or is it a blackhole?
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
As far as I know, the PMP450 has the internal antenna, ePMP does not. I can tell you that without the antenna attached, the one I had on the bench the other day did not see any sats. Jeremy: Yes each GPS Sync ePMP comes with a GPS antenna. It's a magnetic puck type like you would stick on top of a car, but It goes onto a steel plate in a pocket on the top of the Cambium sector antenna. You should buy one of Cambium's sectors and an AP before you consider third party antennas btw, the cambium one has a couple of convenient features (like the GPS antenna pocket) that I don't think anybody has duplicated yet. They don't all have to see the same satellites. You can use a mix of sync devices. You can change the sync source remotely via the web GUI if you have more than one connected. It has been asserted (I think by Packetflux) that you could get minute timing differences if you use two different sync sources at the same site. I'm not clear on how terrible of a problem that would be, but I know lots of people end up with a mixed bag of timing sources for one reason or another. Like when you add that 5th AP but forgot that you only had a 4 port sync injector. the APs come with an antenna for GPS, but its never been clear to me whether there is also an internal patch On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: So would you be able to switch over to the onboard sync remotely? Do you need an antenna for each AP for using it? Do you think it’s as precise as using an CMM4 (or SyncPipe Deluxe w/Gig Injector) if not as robust? If all POPs are sync’d with same Up/Dn ratio and max cell distance and they’re talking to the same birds, is it pretty much the same? *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip mailto:af-bounces%2Bgrip=nbnworks@afmug.com mailto:nbnworks@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:55 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question .also the PMP100 SyncInjector from Packetflux ought to work with ePMP. You might want the gigE version, but in the real world with a mix of subscribers at different MCS levels I'm not sure how likely you are to exceed 100x100. The CMM4 is a much more rugged beast. It is expensive, but you are not likely to go back and wish you'd bought the cheap one. My plan is to hook up the internal GPS and have it available, but also to provide sync over power. Once you are using GPS sync to re-use channels it becomes critical that it's always working, so better to have two timing sources available IMO. They have built in GPS if youre on a budget, not sure why alot of people are so die hard against using it On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I’m looking at ePMP w/channel reuse from a cost-comparison standpoint. Trying to figure out how much I need to spend on GPS synch for a 4 AP/ 2 channel cluster. Does it need to be a CMM4? I will want to be synching multiple POPs… Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks,LLC -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
[AFMUG] Is it the wind?
Why do some customers ask if it's caused by the wind if they're having a problem. Do they picture the wind blowing microwaves out of the sky? It was asked today by somebody I thought would know better. It's windy today. Do you think it's the wind? I'm pretty sure it happened once before and I think there was wind on that day too. It must be the wind.
Re: [AFMUG] Is it the wind?
I guess that might be a problem on some installs. On 9/22/2014 3:40 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: Blowing their dish around? Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 09/22/2014 11:31 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: Why do some customers ask if it's caused by the wind if they're having a problem.� Do they picture the wind blowing microwaves out of the sky? It was asked today by somebody I thought would know better. It's windy today.� Do you think it's the wind?� I'm pretty sure it happened once before and I think there was wind on that day too.� It must be the wind.
Re: [AFMUG] Is it the wind?
I didn't expect people to say the customer was right :) I also would blame the trees, not the wind. I've seen the same... on 900mhz and 2.4ghz, anytime you're shooting through trees, the wind can have at least some effect, but on LOS? No well, I guess maybe if you have, say, a couple of 3' dishes on a Rohn 25 :-P *From:* Af [af-bounces+mathew=litewire@afmug.com] on behalf of CBB - Jay Fuller via Af [af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2014 2:54 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is it the wind? I think i've seen that impact 900 mhz signals ; more wind blowing around, needles blowing everywhere, affecting signal swings by 5-6-even 10 db... - Original Message - *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2014 2:40 PM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is it the wind? Blowing their dish around? Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 09/22/2014 11:31 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: Why do some customers ask if it's caused by the wind if they're having a problem.� Do they picture the wind blowing microwaves out of the sky? It was asked today by somebody I thought would know better. It's windy today.� Do you think it's the wind?� I'm pretty sure it happened once before and I think there was wind on that day too.� It must be the wind.
Re: [AFMUG] battery tester
On the bench I've charged them fully, measured the voltage, then a put a known load on them for a set period of time and measured the voltage afterward. Same idea. Like you saidcouldn't find an appropriate tester. signature Telemetry. Just watch the slope of the discharge voltage at night. I have tried to use impedance meters several times at different companies and cannot get results that predict failures. If you have a battery that should last several days, disconnect the solar panels and watch the telemetry. *From:* Randy Cosby via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:06 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] battery tester Does anyone have a recommended battery tester for AGM and Gel batteries at solar sites? I have batteries from 100AH to 225AH. Most of the automotive models seem to be concerned with cold cranking amps, pretty irrelevant for us. -- http://www.infowest.com/Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactrco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies.
Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium
Can you tell us which platforms will get these features? PMP100 and up, or just the 430/450? You'll have to wait for WISPAPALOOZA for more details. :) *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:57 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium OK, so clarify the option 66 URL part. What makes sense to me is a single option 66 statement on the DHCP server like I said below. The SM will fill in its ESN/MAC as the file name to pull from the HTTP or TFTP server. This is how most VoIP handset/ATA provisioning works. On the PBX or switch, your station config files would reside in some directory and the handset would request 001122334455.cfg or 00-11-22-33-44-55.cfg. This is exactly how zero-touch auto-provision works, at least with the VoIP crap I've messed with. What I'm looking for is how to tie X device to X customer in say a billing/support/provisioning system. And if the SM dies, then rename the file with the new ESN. So if this is not the way the option 66 mechanism will function, then yeah, RADIUS VSA for the URL will be the only other way. I think it would be easier to just do RADIUS attributes for all of the config, but we've had that discussion before. Off my rocker now? :) On 9/18/2014 8:46 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af wrote: You are securely attached to your rocker and very comfortable. That's pretty much how it will go but the dhcp server will provide the filename via option66 string within the url itself. Another option would be radius profiles with config file url delivered via a VSA. �Not sure that will get into first release. But we are working on it. You are correct on ICC operation, once a non default CC config is in place, ICC will never be used on SM even if it is left enabled. �But you can very easily set ICC to disabled in the config file. Aaron Original message From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Date:09/18/2014 6:48 PM (GMT-06:00) To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium I'm guessing it's going to work like this: 13.3 SM registers via ICC. It switches on DHCP and looks for Option 66. Then it contacts the HTTP/TFTP server with a request string like http://server-IP/$ESN.cfg just like it works with IP phones and things like that. ICC doesn't do random stupid things anymore. That was with v11.1. Once the SM is configured with color codes other than CC1=0 and the reset zero and disabled, ICC is effectively disabled. The second part is, if your default SM registered to my AP via ICC, I wouldn't have a config file for its ESN to send it. Well, maybe I could, but why. I'm sure there's always a way for things to go wrong. But I need a much faster and automated way to do provisioning. I'd like to give the guys a basic template that they keep on their field PCs to load into new radios to set up things like default QoS, protocol filters, admin password, etc. RADIUS handles only basic stuff like QoS and VLAN. Maybe I'm completely off my rocker here. On 9/18/2014 6:21 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: so if a device connects to icc, it will turn on dhcp client? �so if we are using this, we will want to remember to have part of the dump config be to disable ICC or if a deployed unit happenned to hit ICC on a different AP, as has been the case in the past, it will become defaulted, or at least defaulted to the configured default configuration? This could be problematic, stranding a subscriber if a competitor is also running option 66 via ICC couldnt it? or is there a way to mitigate that? On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 6:04 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: That is freakin awesome! I think Matt said something about a RADIUS VSA option too. RADIUS and DHCP option 66. Both are good with me. On 9/18/2014 4:41 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af wrote: Hi George - I know this was a long time ago (and has been an even longer time coming), but attached is what I sent after AF2014. What we have now is the file format, it will be JSON based and there will be a published spec.� It will also work with DHCP Option 66.� For Zero Touch Config type of operation, we are leveraging the ICC feature in that once a radio is on 13.3, if a radio registers via ICC, it will turn on DHCP and request Option 66.� That option can be populated with a URL to the config file (HTTP or TFTP) that will be retrieved and applied and if a reboot is required, the reboot will be applied.� Once
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP AP mounting
I found the Cambium mount that Paul McCall mentioned. It was like $9. Thanks though. Here is your fix. http://www.rfelements.com/en/products/brackets/easybracket-for-epmp/ -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+gregwosborn=gmail@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Head via Af Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP AP mounting My 2.4 ePMP Cambium sectors do not have the pocket for the GPS puck. The KP antennas were supposed to come with a box for the radio which sticks to the back of the sector, a little ghetto I know. On 9/16/2014 3:30 PM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: When I bought a 2.4 ePMP AP awhile ago, the Cambium sector antennas were out of stock, so I ended up buying a KP Performance sector antenna on somebody's recommendation. Then that project got shelved for 3 monthsand I wish I had known that would happen because I would have just waited for the Cambium sector. Here's my problem with the 3rd party antenna: What do you mount the AP too? It's clearly designed to mount to the Cambium sector and not really to anything else. And then what do you do with the little magnetic GPS antenna? It fits into a pocket on the Cambium sector antenna that I don't have. Is it even weatherproof on its own?
Re: [AFMUG] 477 for dummys
They want census blocks where you have service deployed, and then census tracts where actual subscribers are. The latter can still come out of your billing system. I'm sure how 2-year old friendly you can get. I downloaded census block shape files (.shp) from the census web site. Imported those into Manifold GIS. I generated coverage maps in Radiomobile. Imported the images into Manifold GIS. Then altered the projection so the image would match actual geography (you basically take some numbers from the KML file and do a little non-difficult math). Then I used the auto tracing tool in Manifold to create polygons that cover the image generated by radio mobile...you have to use a solid color overlay in Radiomobile for this, not a heatmap. Then I did a transform to create a new drawing showing the census blocks that intersect the radio coverage polygons. Lather, rinse, and repeat for each type of coverage that might matter. At this point I've got tables of census blocks for each type of radio coverage. I'm only supposed to report each block once (unless it's served under a different company name, or with a different technology, since these are all fixed wireless I only report them once). To get one table where only the highest available speed is reported, I imported the various tables into MySQL using the census block as the primary key and imported them in order of speed from lowest to highest. Then I exported the resulting table into a csv that I can upload to the FCC. It takes longer to learn all these steps than it took me to explain it. It's also pretty time consuming and tedious. It's totally do-able if you have a few hundred bucks to spend on software and a number of days to spend on figuring it all out. Now that's all figured out, I could repeat the process with your coverage overlays for a nominal fee :) The previous 477 filing was confusing enough to me. I submittted data that was generated for me from our billing system without actually knowing what exactly it was or how to verify it was accurate. Now with the new system, Im completely lost. Im afraid of the feds and their black helicopters that will sweep in and take my children to gitmo (not all that concerned about the old lady, I can find somebody else to run the vaccum) Can somebody please explain to me like im a two year old what all the steps are and the details of what the information is they want. And maybe even a simpletons description of how to obtain it accurately? As I understand it the gist is to provide the FCC with subscribership information so they can value the census blocks regarding current penetration and subscribership. I assume the compare the combined subscriber-ship with census data to calculate what percentage of citizens are being served in each block? But as I understand it, if no voice service is offered, or subscribed to, the block is considered unserved? If we dont have our filing in by the Oct 1 deadline, they will firebomb a village in africa?
Re: [AFMUG] Quick Poll: 477 Deployment Report
Um yeah agreed. I have 13,000 census blocks in my submission. Not hand filtering that. I take solace in the fact that in the rural areas we're concerned about getting CAF funding Time Warner's reported coverage is more egregiously wrong than mine. :) I filed with A, but now have data in hand for B. My RF coverage (based on radiomobile) has 4X as many blocks as I reported with A. I could still go back and amend the report. I would love to go hand-groom the list... but over 6800 blocks is a bit much unless I can do it visually. On 9/19/2014 2:45 PM, Cameron Crum via Af wrote: Line of sight viewsheds (which consider clutter) might be your better choice then instead of coverage maps. At least you know with LOS that you have a greater chance of providing service than with coverage maps as they tend to be rather subjective depending on what you consider acceptable coverage signal. I looked at both subscriber only blocks and blocks with simple reasonable radius from a tower for a couple of our wisps. The difference was significant. Since it could potentially mean that my customers get their networks overbuilt with fed money, I tend to lean towards the radius or coverage plot method which produces more blocks. On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Reluctantly B. The devil on one shoulder is still telling me A. Actually, I am starting from A and manually approving every addition from B. It’s a lot of work and I probably won’t do it every 6 months, but I’m asking in each case am I sure that I could reach at least part of that census block, and if so, why don’t I have any customers there yet? I am more inclined to go with RF coverage in new areas I’ve just built into. If I’ve been there 10 years and don’t have any customers in that block, maybe I can’t cover it. In some cases I find there are zero buildings in the block, so if Frontier wants to get CAF money to provide service there, more power to them. I am probably being paranoid, but if I ever get challenged on this, I want to have my ducks in a row. Also I want to figure out a way, even if I pay Brian or something, to turn this into a coverage map and/or Google Earth overlay and use that as our coverage map instead of RF coverage plots which I find lacking. For some WISPs, this might be a good sales/marketing exercise. What are all the blocks where we have RF coverage but zero customers? Why no customers? Nobody lives there? Competitor outguns me there? Or just no word-of-mouth. If so, maybe need to send some postcards or knock on doors. It should be possible to pull census statistics for each block to see how many housing units and people the gov’t thinks are in that block. If there are 10 houses and 30 people in a block and none of them are my customers, why not? *From:* Randy Cosby via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 3:23 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Quick Poll: 477 Deployment Report I'm curious how everyone is recording on their deployment report. A: I am reporting every census block where I have a customer B: I am reporting every census block that I can cover based on my RF coverage maps C: Not yet decided -- http://www.infowest.com/Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 tel:435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactrco...@infowest.com mailto:rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies. -- signature http://www.infowest.com/Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactrco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies.
Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium
You should check out ePMP 2.2 firmware. The new GUI is much better. Not the same as Canopy, but it's a lot more familiar to navigate now. If you replace PMP100 with anything else it will be a forklift no matter what. The good thing about ePMP and 450 is they both have 5.7 and 5.4 in the same unit. Presumably your PMP100 is 5.7. Did they even make that in 5.4? So you put your new one on a 5.4 channel, start replacing subscribers, then switch it back to 5.7 so you can have your 6db back. The ones that might not work with the missing 6db on 5.4 you identify ahead of time and do them last. This is theoretical right now, but it's happening here in a month or so. --- [ Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote ]: --- You’re probably right about me. Honestly, my FSK is still all on 10.5, and my 430 is still on 11.2. I’d like some of the improvements to the GUI, but honestly, at some point you wonder if it’s worth the trouble and mini outages to do the firmware upgrades on legacy stuff. I guess from an operations standpoint though, especially if you automate things, it helps if everything works the same. And I will probably upgrade the old stuff, if only to avoid scrolling through a mile long sessions list. The argument for continuing to roll human and machine interface improvements into PMP100 is that’s what keeps WISPs buying Cambium, they can train their people and write their software and have it work the same across the product line. But evidently that logic was lost on the team that developed ePMP. If the sales strategy is to convince WISPs to convert PMP100 to ePMP, it will be interesting to hear what the recommended way is to do that. I am going to be very surprised to see an ePMP compatible framing mode put into PMP100, that’s surely not a minor change, but without that, are the only 2 ways to upgrade a tower from PMP100 to ePMP either find some spare spectrum, or do a 1-day forklift of all the subs? A PMP100 to PMP450 forklift can be pretty easy (except on the pocketbook) if you already have reflector dishes, we’ve found you don’t even have to realign the dishes. But replacing a reflector dish with a Force100 will probably take a little longer. Maybe not that much. The worst would be if you can’t have both sets of APs on the tower at the same time and literally have to take down every sub on the tower until you get an installer with a new radio out to them. *From:* That One Guy via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 2:50 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium --- [ That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote ]: --- I really wish that cambium was more forthright, I understand playing your cards close to your chest. we knew with 320 it was a dead duck, but Cambium (sales staff in particular) would never put out a clear answer on its demise. We all wear big boy pants around here, except ken, he wears biker shorts. We can handle the truth and would much prefer to plan accordingly. Im oretty sure that since 100 wont be getting .2 that gives us our answer, but it would be nice to have it formalized, Cambiums like a cheating wife, you know what shes doing, you know whats going to happen when you have evidence, but until you hear it from her mouth, you keep on painting the kitchen and mowing the lawn. Cambium, can we stop painting and let the grass grow? On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: --- [ Aaron Schneider aaron.schnei...@cambiumnetworks.com mailto:aaron.schnei...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote ]: --- Hmm, this is odd - yours and Sean's messages came in as an attachment to an empty message... Anyways, yes, we are well aware that FSK is never going away, we've been the ones keeping it going for this long! We took a break from releasing FSK version from 11.2 to 12.1 and the next refresh release from that was 13.1.  I don't think there has been any full decision on the fate of future FSK releases but we are concentrating 13.2 and 13.3 on the 430/450 products and will see then.  I'll see if we can get a point release with the couple of minor (meaning to fix, not meaning minor impact) items such as missing the None frequency. George you need to talk your boss into letting you go to Vegas. Imagine the discussions you can have once you get some libations in you and go on tilt at the blackjack table. :) -Aaron -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider mailto:af-bounces%2Baaron.schneider=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com mailto:cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014
Re: [AFMUG] MT Simple Queues
This didn't jump out at me yesterday, but some people are saying to create a PCQ queue with the rate option set to the target speed, and then use that Queue type in your simple Queues. This does work. I wonder why the old simple way doesn't behave like it used to. Do you remember what the fix was? The list archives from before this month are currently missing. yes there is a problem we had a previous thread about a year ago started by me with a fix in it, had to change a setting then it worked way better Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Sep 16, 2014, at 5:26 PM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Has anybody had trouble with Mikrotik queues in 6.x? Specifically I'm seeing traffic limited to substantially less than the configured max-limit. I set 20M and get 15M, or I set 30M and actually get 20M, and so forth. I can disable the simple queue and get 140+Meg. I found an MT forum post complaining of the same problem, but there was no workaround or solution posted. I'm wondering if somebody here already saw this and figured it out.
