Re: [AFMUG] MT reboot
I couldn't get x86 v5 stable on a Core i7. Seems okay on my AMD backup, though it doesn't have nearly the load of the main unit. There was a kernel problem related to the queues in v5. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 4:11 PM Subject: [AFMUG] MT reboot Hi, We are having a strange issue with a Mikrotik x86 based router (v5.26 OS). We have already replaced the entire hardware with brand new (including power supply). The issue is the MT box will just randomly reboot with no error messages or warning, with uptimes ranging from 30 minutes to 2 hours. The entire problem started when we purchased a Zmodo NVR (it's a security camera DVR system that uses PoE cameras, running Linux) and plugged it into the Cisco switch that then connects to the MT. This is a very basic setup. Internet connection on ether1, inside NAT'd connections on ether2. Anyone ever seen anything like this? Any ideas? Torch doesn't show anything strange. Travis
Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
Truth. I can't tell you how many people I've dealt with this year that went on Google and found equipment that will do 25+ miles and then called fussing at me because I can't get service to them. It is a double edged sword dealing with parts that the general public can easily buy. - Original Message - From: Eric Kuhnke via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I know Ben as an official ubnt person is too diplomatic to say this, but the problem with alignment, separation and other site engineering problems is because anyone with a credit card can buy a ubiquiti link... The super user friendly documentation and GUI on the http interface make it easy for people who barely know any networking tech or RF to attempting setting up a PTP link. If you sold a connectorized AF5 and treated it like a part 101 product, for sales only to real companies through a different channel, it would be easier to guarantee success. On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Ben Moore via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have looked at this, but alignment would be a real issue (and ensuring proper separation, etc...)...We are still kicking around some different options. Though we are getting a lot of good feedback already on long links with AF5. On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I would like a pro grade AF5 connectorized, for use with a pair of the 3' Jirous high performance antennas. Each link would need 4 dishes but you'd be able to go a lot further than the current af5 antenna size. On Dec 10, 2014 10:05 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: PtMP based on the airfiber in 3.65ghz would seem like a good fit, with the new rules that are (hopefully) coming... licensed also seems like an obvious place to go with airfiber. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp. Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so many other bands they could release equipment for. Maybe licensed? Hr... One can hope, right? josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote: I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul... I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in the next 12-18 months. If not sooner. Now... what would those be? Hrm. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: I don’t know what you are talking about. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing. :P josh reynolds :: chief information officerspitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules. The 450 is able to provide a better performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. The only question if it’s worth the difference. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM To: Josh Luthman via Af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. .AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications where 450 does not meet the price point. Von: Josh Luthman via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 04:00 An: Josh Luthman via Af An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a
Re: [AFMUG] OT Scientists pick up strange signals that may point to dark matterâ?Ts existence | General News
I tip my hat to both of you... lol - Original Message - From: Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Scientists pick up strange signals that may point to dark matterâ?Ts existence | General News It's red matter according to Star Trek Sent from my iPhone On Dec 11, 2014, at 8:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: SYN 50 years pass ACK On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: SPACE CONTROL TO EARTH http://www.betawired.com/scientists-pick-up-strange-signals-that-may-point-to-dark-matters-existence/1422255/ Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] favorite/decent dielectric grease?
I use Permatex. Available at decent auto parts stores, works great. Comes in a little tube, which is easier to use, big tube, not quite as easy but still only requires one hand. - Original Message - From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af To: af Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 9:15 PM Subject: [AFMUG] favorite/decent dielectric grease? After another round of going through a couple of months of customer returns, and the biggest issues are corrosion related to moisture getting in the connectors, I'm ready to either start shipping a little tube with dielectric grease with certain products, or make larger containers available for sale, or some combination thereof. Before I select a vendor I want to make sure that there isn't a known 'best' brand or even more important - some brand which causes problems. So, for those of you who do this, please let me know what your experiences are in relation to this. In relation, what is everyone's experience as far as the correct amount goes? Thanks. -forrest
Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today
My 88 Ranger is bad, wife's 2000 Explorer was worse. The filter is above the frame. The drips aren't so bad, but the initial burst of oil runs on the frame and goes everywhere. Not much you can do but clean it up after the fact. - Original Message - From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af To: af Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today Mine unfortunately is on the bottom right next to the drain plug. I've seen pictures of the top one and how easy it is. Mine not so much. I am getting to the point where I don't make near the mess I used to, guess I'm getting used to where it drains. On Nov 29, 2014 5:52 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So on the Subaru engine the oil filter sticks straight up. Does that make it incredibly easy to change or incredibly messy? From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:48 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today About the only place I'll have change the oil anymore is when I take the car in for the major service interval at the dealer. They carry the oil I use and I figure a genuine Subaru oil filter isn't any worse than the M1-108's I use normally. Other than that, it gets changed at home anymore. I've discovered that throwing a pan under the car and pulling the oil/plug filter takes so little time that it's actually faster for me to do it. I generally will do it before a trip out of town and will pull the oil filter/plug and then clean/vaccum the car out while the oil is draining. Once I'm done vaccumming, I put everything back together and refill the car with an appropriate amount of oil. Takes me less time than waiting at an instant lube place, and then I know what oil/filter is actually in/on the engine. Sadly, I haven't found anything fun drawn on my car's oil filter when it comes from the dealer. On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We bring Mobil 1 oil filters in when we have the local oil change place change the oil. Last oil change, neither my car or the work van had them on their when I looked about 3000 miles after the change. After some heated discussions concerning the theft of my oil filters and shenanigans that might require a review of whether they are really using Mobil1 1 oil, they changed both vehicles while I watched them open new bottles of oil in front of me. Fortunately this was the first time I used them, and the last time. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today A local guy went out to change his oil today. Found a penis drawn on his oil filter. That filter had been installed by Jiffy Lube. Same company that billed us for an oil change a few years ago (fleet account) for a car that my business partner’s step daughter crashed and totaled a year before.
Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Virtual AP
I've had a few issues with VAP in the past. It is like the VAP won't transmit beacons or something. Disabling and enabling the master WLAN seems to get it going sometimes. I've also noticed if you have more than one VAP on a single interface then the second one enabled will often misbehave. - Original Message - From: Jason McKemie via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 2:15 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Virtual AP I've got a basic AP and a virtual AP set up on the same wireless interface on a RB951. For testing purposes, they are both using the same security profile, different SSIDs. I can connect to the basic (standard) AP, but not the virtual AP. I've tried both 6.22 as well as 5.26 on this to see if it was a bug in ROS, but to no avail. Any ideas what could be causing this? I have a similar setup at another location that works just fine (albeit on a RB2011). -Jason
Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
hahaha - Original Message - From: That One Guy via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again If there is an HOA giving you fits, I can help. you dont need a lawyer, a few burned out shells of houses in the neighborhood, theyll get on board. Im not saying Ill burn the houses down, Im just saying occasionnaly its happanstance that a guy has a list of addresses that all have bad wiring. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Hass, Douglas A. via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Totally agree—functional, self-installable CPE at a competitive price would be a real game changer because it would give you one more option. Even if the self-install failed, you could then upsell to a professional install and perhaps some maintenance and capture a bit more incremental revenue, just like Verizon, Comcast, etc. and even the power companies do. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 10:22 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again Indoor CPE (often called wireless modems) still is kind of the holy grail, except for the small matter of making it work. Like DSL didn’t take off until they made it customer self-install and eliminated the truck roll. If you can mail the customer the device or have them pick it up at a storefront, you eliminate all the expense of installation. And one model is to sell them the modem and then the service is like a prepaid cellphone or a hotspot, you pay online for the coming month or visit the store and it’s like putting more minutes on your phone. You can see the appeal of the business model. If you can make the equipment work reliably indoors with a non professional setting it up. Right now the cellphone companies rule this part of the business with their mobile hotspots and Verizon’s “LTE home router with voice”. From: Hass, Douglas A. via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 10:10 AM To: Ken Hohhof via Af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again An attorney letter isn't the first option. And recommending a meeting isn't good either, as you suggest. There are a world of options, none which involve losing a potential customer or delaying an install. -- Original message -- From: Ken Hohhof via Af Date: 11/12/2014 10:06 AM To: af@afmug.com; Subject:Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again Understood. It’s the letter, not the lawsuit, that does the work. Oh crap, we got a letter from his lawyer, can we just settle this? Just like with Title II regulation, it’s the paperwork, not the actual rules, that would kill us. From a practical standpoint though, many people decide one day to search for Internet service, and start calling around. You may have been sending out flyers for months, but this is your tiny window of opportunity to sell them your service. The window may just be a few hours, we’ve all had the case where you return voicemail in 30 minutes and the customer already ordered from the next ISP they called and signed a 2 year contract, so you lost the sale. So I think the answer “let me meet with the landlord or HOA or city and tell them about OTARD” is not going to be a successful sales technique except in a few situations like: - You are truly the only game in town - There is a large potential customer base that you can open up going forward by overcoming one obstacle now (like a subdivision or apartment complex or even a whole city) - This is a high value (commercial) customer and they are willing to wait a few weeks or months to get your service From: Hass, Douglas A. via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 9:11 AM To: Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again Ken, The last thing I would advocate is for anyone to lawyer up against their neighbors. The overwhelming majority of these situations are resolved with only behind the scenes work by lawyers. There's a go softly way to do this. Rory, Depends on what exactly you mean by unreasonable. Again, some informed lobbying of the city often takes care of these issues. I've written (or rewritten) many ordinances and policies to help city attorneys get things right, as I'm sure Steve, Jonathan, Rebecca and many others have. -- Original message -- From: Rory Conaway via Af Date: 11/12/2014 9:00 AM To: af@afmug.com; Subject:Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again But what do you do when the city has unreasonable restrictions and the buildings are company buildings on a property such as an RV park? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 7:36 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Now I'm impressed.
That is my thing here. I started small, omni on each tower in rural areas. I expected more customers than I got, so I'm very glad I didn't take out a monster loan to build a super network. I'd never pay the loan off. The only tower I had with sectors was taken out by that storm and I never hit the capacity to really take advantage of the sectors. It is in a location overlooking town though, hard as hell to find a clean channel, much less three or four. The whole system is due for some upgrades, which I'm working on right now. Still have mostly single polarity clients and 20Mbps PtP shots between towers. - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Now I'm impressed. Omnis definitely do have their place, they're certainly not something that should be used everywhere though. I have run into situations where noise is less of a problem with omnis than sectors... it all depends what it is and where it's coming from. We often put up omnis on new towers (especially if they're on the edge of our network) and then switch over to sectors when it becomes necessary - which is sometimes never. -- From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Now I'm impressed. Four sectors would allow frequency re-use. I do admit that in conditions with significant noise in all directions by many transmitters, leaving only one clean channel you're left with an omni or something like LTE's wizardry that uses the same channel everywhere. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 8:54:38 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Now I'm impressed. I actually shot myself in the foot once doing this. I took down a 900 omni and put up 3 120 sectors thinking it was going to be great. Not at all what happened. Turned out the omni was running on the only clean channel. With the 3 sectors and only 3 non-overlapping frequencies available there was no combination of channels and directions that worked as well as the omni it replaced. After rotating sectors and frequency plans around for days we found something workable, but it wasn't at all what I expected when we started the project. Mark On 11/8/14, 9:36 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: In cases of congestion, ought you not use antennas with smaller beamwidths? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 8:33:15 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Now I'm impressed. Omni's have their places. Physical space limitations, frequency congestion, low density, mobile applications, cost, etc. Sometimes it's the right tool for the job. Mark On 11/8/14, 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Friends don't let friends deploy omnis. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 1:50:45 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Now I'm impressed. We had a tower taken out by a storm. When we replaced it I finally upgraded to 802.11n as I wanted and went with a DP omni rather than sectors. RB711 UA2HnD + ARC 13dBi DP Omni I'm fine tuning the network, made some adjustments on a tower 12 miles away, one customer didn't come back up. I started checking my other APs as sometimes they'll hop if close enough, didn't find anything. I went to the new AP 12 miles away, the client was connected to it from a little over 12 miles apparently off a sidelobe of an Airgrid 16dBi. The grid is pointing at least 20 degrees off, and I never expected that shot to work if it *was* pointed the right direction. I'm impressed. -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021 -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] FCC Confirms Delay of New Net Neutrality Rules Until 2015
Cute. More red tape and BS hoops to jump through. - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds via Af To: af@afmug.com ; WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:33 PM Subject: [AFMUG] FCC Confirms Delay of New Net Neutrality Rules Until 2015 from: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/11/11/2345213/fcc-confirms-delay-of-new-net-neutrality-rules-until-2015 The Federal Communications Commission will abandon its earlier promise to make a decision on new net neutrality rules this year. Instead, FCC Press Secretary Kim Hart said, there will not be a vote on open internet rules on the December meeting agenda. That would mean rules would now be finalized in 2015. The FCC's confirmation of the delay came just as President Barack Obama launched a campaign to persuade the agency to reclassify broadband Internet service as a public utility. Opensource.com is also running an interview with a legal advisor at the FCC. He says, There will be a burden on providers. The question is, 'Is that burden justified?' And I think our answer is 'Yes.' -- Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
[AFMUG] Now I'm impressed.
We had a tower taken out by a storm. When we replaced it I finally upgraded to 802.11n as I wanted and went with a DP omni rather than sectors. RB711 UA2HnD + ARC 13dBi DP Omni I'm fine tuning the network, made some adjustments on a tower 12 miles away, one customer didn't come back up. I started checking my other APs as sometimes they'll hop if close enough, didn't find anything. I went to the new AP 12 miles away, the client was connected to it from a little over 12 miles apparently off a sidelobe of an Airgrid 16dBi. The grid is pointing at least 20 degrees off, and I never expected that shot to work if it *was* pointed the right direction. I'm impressed.
Re: [AFMUG] something I wish existed
There was a plan to make people like that wear signs so we'd know ahead of time... Gentleman by the name of Engvall had a good idea. - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 5:52 PM Subject: [AFMUG] something I wish existed Anybody else wish there was a cube you could put next to a Mikrotik RB951 with a power cord, battery, and POE jacks for the CPE radio and the Mikrotik? Bonus points for a Canopy/Ubiquiti polarity switch, surge protection on the radio side, and maybe some kind of light or lights to show power status. I'm always puzzled when commercial power goes out in an area, and all the customers who insist they need Internet 24x7 drop off because they don't have a battery backup for their radio and router. Even though the tower is humming away on batteries, as are their smartphones/tablets/laptops. But you log into the AP and it shows every CPE is idle.
Re: [AFMUG] Dielectric grease on RJ45 for radios
It is cheap insurance. I'd rather be overprotective than have an outage due to pride. Nothing is perfect. I've got equipment that has been in the air since 2008 without so much as a hiccup. I've got a few customers that apparently every time it rains they funnel it into their CPE. Grease took care of the problem when nothing else did. I also learned that the more expensive the ethernet was the less it sealed with the grommets I use. I also fill the RJ45 before putting the wire in it on some installs, not all. - Original Message - From: Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dielectric grease on RJ45 for radios Totally typical when your POP is at the top of a hill. Wind and rain do not fall down. So anything with a weep hole on the bottom becomes a problem. After replacing equipment and cables that got damaged a few times, we started filling the RJ45s with DC4. It's been working well for several years now. Also not a bad idea to refresh the fill so to speak just before the beginning of the rainy season. bp On 10/28/2014 1:00 PM, Jerry Richardson via Af wrote: Couple of years ago I was on Diablo to replace some blown fuses and it was blowing uphill and collecting on th bottoms of the radios. Good times... -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 12:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dielectric grease on RJ45 for radios We do it on remote POPs because the wind and rain goes in weird directions out by the coast. bp On 10/28/2014 12:17 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af wrote: Anyone doing this? Pros, cons?
Re: [AFMUG] Hose clamps? Really
I don't know about using it on a directional, but my tower that just fell had a 15dBi omni held on by 3 hose clamps. The omni was the only part still attached once it hit the ground. The u-bolts broke, the brackets snapped, grids just about turned inside out... - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorza via Af To: Animal Farm Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 4:40 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Hose clamps? Really http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW6aG-IJ2SA Watch closely when AF5 attached to railing...crossed hose clamps. Guess they have no strong winds other that what I hear on the video. Chuck's mounts would work great here Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Hose clamps? Really
That's why I prefaced it with I don't know about using it on a directional. The main point being that the omni was the only part that survived the impact with the ground. The clamps held, matter of fact it wasn't even crooked. Everything else was destroyed, even the boards in the aluminum enclosures. - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorza via Af To: Animal Farm Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hose clamps? Really Omni wind load very different from AirFiber 5; you folkjs can use what ever you want...I will use what works for meso there Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I don't know about using it on a directional, but my tower that just fell had a 15dBi omni held on by 3 hose clamps. The omni was the only part still attached once it hit the ground. The u-bolts broke, the brackets snapped, grids just about turned inside out... - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorza via Af To: Animal Farm Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 4:40 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Hose clamps? Really http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW6aG-IJ2SA Watch closely when AF5 attached to railing...crossed hose clamps. Guess they have no strong winds other that what I hear on the video. Chuck's mounts would work great here Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Easy way to determine LOS
I use Terrain Navigator Pro. It isn't perfect, but it is pretty good. The elevation data around here is close, but not perfect. Places where there aren't people aren't terribly accurate, but it uses USGS elevation data, has the option for a line of sight, options to change the elevation above ground level at each point. The newer versions account for curvature of the Earth, but I'm using an antiquated version on XP. - Original Message - From: Shayne Lebrun via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easy way to determine LOS Path profile software with clutter data, and bear in mind that ‘I can see it’ and ‘RF Line-Of-Sight’ are two very separate things. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Easy way to determine LOS Need to do a ptp shot but can't tell if I have clear LOS, any tricks with a telescope or something I can do without someone on the other side with a mirror or laser?
[AFMUG] Employee damaging equipment
How do you guys handle it when an employee damages or loses equipment? This is my baby brother's first job. He tied the ladder and it fell out of the truck, no where to be found. He said he's going to either get me one or pay me back, just curious how everyone else handles this. I've never run into it yet.
Re: [AFMUG] Employee damaging equipment
I'm not going to screw him over or anything. He offered to pay for the ladder on his own, just the way we were raised. You break it, you bought it. - Original Message - From: Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee damaging equipment He said it was his brother right ? Who cares! Your brother is your blood. Sh!t happens Sent from my iPhone On Oct 23, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Federal labor law says you can't hold employees financial responsible for broken/lost tools. (from my understanding) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/23/2014 04:22 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af wrote: How do you guys handle it when an employee damages or loses equipment? This is my baby brother's first job. He tied the ladder and it fell out of the truck, no where to be found. He said he's going to either get me one or pay me back, just curious how everyone else handles this. I've never run into it yet. �
[AFMUG] Finally got it all finished
We had a tower knocked down by a straight line wind last Monday. We got the new tower up Saturday, temporary equipment online Sunday and the final install Monday afternoon. I replaced 2 5GHz feeds, 3 120* 17dBi 802.11g/10MHz sectors and one 15dBi 802.11g/5MHz omni. Had about 16 customers on it, expected a lot more when we started. The area grew from a few to 20+ really quickly, then just stopped. The tower is only 75ft with a 20ft pole atop and sits on a rather tall ridge that is easily 200ft higher than the surrounding ground. I've had a few customers 14 miles out with a 19dBi panel and near perfect signal. We replaced the 802.11g equipment with an ARC 13dBi dual pol omni and RB711UA 2HnD since I had the RB on hand. Took a couple of days to find a clear channel and get 802.11n working properly, but we're now getting around 15Mbps over a 5MHz channel. I need to stress it more and see what it is really capable of. I had a few customers that signal was less than ideal, -77 to -85 depending on the time of day, humidity and temp. Now the few that were a bit unreliable are now working beautifully with the new dual polarity set up. We also replaced the 5GHz feeds that were installed in 2008 to Nanobridge M5 25dBi, nearly 100Mbps now in place of the 20Mbps I had previously. I do love the new UNII 1 channels. I'm going to sleep for a damn week.
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?
Works quite nicely. I've got a few out there. Nice to have 500+ MHz between feeds. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? Firmware 5.5.10 (actually, one of its betas was the first to offer it). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Sam Lambie via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:30:14 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? I heard somewhere at WISPApalooza that the M series does 5.2 band now? Is that smoke and mirrors? Sam -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?
I don't know. I've got ~9 Nanobridge M5 out there feeding towers on short hops, all listed UNII1 and half the links are running it. Is this possibly an older unit before the UNII 2 band was enabled from factory? I wonder if the update key has to be entered to access UNII 1. - Original Message - From: Sam Lambie via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? Ok, I have a radio on the bench with 5.5.10 loaded and all I see is the 5.8 band in AP mode. what am I missing? On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Works quite nicely. I've got a few out there. Nice to have 500+ MHz between feeds. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? Firmware 5.5.10 (actually, one of its betas was the first to offer it). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Sam Lambie via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:30:14 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? I heard somewhere at WISPApalooza that the M series does 5.2 band now? Is that smoke and mirrors? Sam -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airMAX-General-Discussion/FCC-UNII-2-Approval-and-Label-Request-Procedure/td-p/274828 - Original Message - From: Sam Lambie via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? Where the heck would one get an update key and how do you enter it into the radio? These radios are about 3 years old. This particular one worked just fine on Firmware 5.3 in 5.2... On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I don't know. I've got ~9 Nanobridge M5 out there feeding towers on short hops, all listed UNII1 and half the links are running it. Is this possibly an older unit before the UNII 2 band was enabled from factory? I wonder if the update key has to be entered to access UNII 1. - Original Message - From: Sam Lambie via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? Ok, I have a radio on the bench with 5.5.10 loaded and all I see is the 5.8 band in AP mode. what am I missing? On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Works quite nicely. I've got a few out there. Nice to have 500+ MHz between feeds. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? Firmware 5.5.10 (actually, one of its betas was the first to offer it). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Sam Lambie via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:30:14 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? I heard somewhere at WISPApalooza that the M series does 5.2 band now? Is that smoke and mirrors? Sam -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?
You can't keep up with the speed of my Precision M90 1.8GHz Core 2 Duo and SSD!!! Muhahahaha! - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? I was just going to get that... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:52:18 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airMAX-General-Discussion/FCC-UNII-2-Approval-and-Label-Request-Procedure/td-p/274828 - Original Message - From: Sam Lambie via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? Where the heck would one get an update key and how do you enter it into the radio? These radios are about 3 years old. This particular one worked just fine on Firmware 5.3 in 5.2... On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I don't know. I've got ~9 Nanobridge M5 out there feeding towers on short hops, all listed UNII1 and half the links are running it. Is this possibly an older unit before the UNII 2 band was enabled from factory? I wonder if the update key has to be entered to access UNII 1. - Original Message - From: Sam Lambie via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? Ok, I have a radio on the bench with 5.5.10 loaded and all I see is the 5.8 band in AP mode. what am I missing? On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Works quite nicely. I've got a few out there. Nice to have 500+ MHz between feeds. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? Firmware 5.5.10 (actually, one of its betas was the first to offer it). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Sam Lambie via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:30:14 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? I heard somewhere at WISPApalooza that the M series does 5.2 band now? Is that smoke and mirrors? Sam -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?
I've been running my butt off. I'm installing Windows on a laptop, watching Star Trek and the list. Taking a slow day. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? hehe... As much as I'm sure many assume otherwise... I don't stare at the lists all day. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:55:20 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? You can't keep up with the speed of my Precision M90 1.8GHz Core 2 Duo and SSD!!! Muhahahaha! - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? I was just going to get that... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:52:18 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airMAX-General-Discussion/FCC-UNII-2-Approval-and-Label-Request-Procedure/td-p/274828 - Original Message - From: Sam Lambie via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? Where the heck would one get an update key and how do you enter it into the radio? These radios are about 3 years old. This particular one worked just fine on Firmware 5.3 in 5.2... On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I don't know. I've got ~9 Nanobridge M5 out there feeding towers on short hops, all listed UNII1 and half the links are running it. Is this possibly an older unit before the UNII 2 band was enabled from factory? I wonder if the update key has to be entered to access UNII 1. - Original Message - From: Sam Lambie via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? Ok, I have a radio on the bench with 5.5.10 loaded and all I see is the 5.8 band in AP mode. what am I missing? On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Works quite nicely. I've got a few out there. Nice to have 500+ MHz between feeds. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? Firmware 5.5.10 (actually, one of its betas was the first to offer it). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Sam Lambie via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:30:14 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? I heard somewhere at WISPApalooza that the M series does 5.2 band now? Is that smoke and mirrors? Sam -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com
Re: [AFMUG] Finally got it all finished
Thanks. :) It appears I may have overstated my new bandwidth availability... I think it is good enough to leave alone for now though. Still more bandwidth available than they pull. - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Finally got it all finished Nice job. I had a similar affair the week before WISPAPALOOZA. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We had a tower knocked down by a straight line wind last Monday. We got the new tower up Saturday, temporary equipment online Sunday and the final install Monday afternoon. I replaced 2 5GHz feeds, 3 120* 17dBi 802.11g/10MHz sectors and one 15dBi 802.11g/5MHz omni. Had about 16 customers on it, expected a lot more when we started. The area grew from a few to 20+ really quickly, then just stopped. The tower is only 75ft with a 20ft pole atop and sits on a rather tall ridge that is easily 200ft higher than the surrounding ground. I've had a few customers 14 miles out with a 19dBi panel and near perfect signal. We replaced the 802.11g equipment with an ARC 13dBi dual pol omni and RB711UA 2HnD since I had the RB on hand. Took a couple of days to find a clear channel and get 802.11n working properly, but we're now getting around 15Mbps over a 5MHz channel. I need to stress it more and see what it is really capable of. I had a few customers that signal was less than ideal, -77 to -85 depending on the time of day, humidity and temp. Now the few that were a bit unreliable are now working beautifully with the new dual polarity set up. We also replaced the 5GHz feeds that were installed in 2008 to Nanobridge M5 25dBi, nearly 100Mbps now in place of the 20Mbps I had previously. I do love the new UNII 1 channels. I'm going to sleep for a damn week.
Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?
What he said. Just had a tower fall. Stainless steel bolts were still seized on the sectors. Probably the only parts that were still together after the fall. We needed to adjust the downtilt later, but we didn't know how bad stainless locked up when we installed them. - Original Message - From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable? There are no beans to spill, it's still just the 450. Now what would be great is if Cambium could get with Laird and tell them stop using stainless nuts on stainless bolts. The next time I find one of those MFer's seized up, I'm going to drive it out into a field and give it a couple rounds of 45ACP. I'm talking about the sector mast clamp bolts and nuts. We had to move some sectors around and every single nut was seized onto their bolts. Please for the love of god just make everything galvanized. On 10/19/2014 8:55 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: Gino, spill the 455 beans
Re: [AFMUG] 477 deadline
State of the art. Must have cost us a pretty penny. - Original Message - From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 deadline That’s the old tech. There was a big gov’mint contract not too long ago where they upgraded to Pentium 60MHz chips and 16MB of RAM for their database handlers. I’m guessing the issues are related to learning the new gear. -Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 deadline it happenned right after we filed, Im assuming that our huge customer database overloaded their 486dx server, or they ran out of 5 1/4 floppies to offload On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I believe Steve Coran posted something (probably over at the WISPA list) about November. I think it was based on ~2 weeks more addressing the mystery issue, and then 2 weeks notice for filers. It would be nice if they were a little more transparent about the issue/incident/anomaly. Was the data hacked? Corrupted or lost? Ran out of room and had to order more hard drives? First time a telco tried to upload a million line CSV file it choked? -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:22 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] 477 deadline So I had actually forgotten about the 477 after the technical problem on the FCC site. It looks like it's still broken though, so I guess I didn't miss the boat yet. Has anybody heard when it will be back up? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
[AFMUG] Dual polarity omni
The tower that got taken out by the straight line wind was built with sectors expecting a decent load. It has around 25 folks on it, most of them 1Mb customers. Not exactly a return on my investment. I'm replacing 802.11g sectors with an 802.11n AP w/omni. Might regret it, but it is what I'm doing this week. Anyone use the ARC dual polarity omni? How do they hold up against the UBNT omni? I've had decent luck with the 10dBi UBNT, but the ARC is cheaper and advertised to be made in the US. Thanks Glen
Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe
I'm not holding my breath, but I am keeping an eye on this. Interesting, if nothing else. Potentially life changing if legit. - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe Yeah, the actual hourly production stuck me as not reactor sized to say the least...but also impossible to be an artifact if there's the slightest degree of competency involved. I can't bring myself to say I'm hopeful-but I'd love love love to be wrong here. Chuck Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 1.5 megawatt-hours. I think they chose that number for the shock and awe value. If it was producing the same amount of power continuously over 32 days that would mean 3.9kw. Similar to some portable generators. They also report net power production of 2.3kw, which doesn't jive with the 1.5megawatt hours in 32 days. Apparently some energy input is required to keep it running. I remain a hopeful skeptic. On 10/13/2014 9:44 AM, Kade Sullivan via Af wrote: 1 gram of fuel produced 1.5 MEGAWATTS of power over 32 days? Am I reading that right? Holy shit! On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/191754-cold-fusion-reactor-verified-by-third-party-researchers-seems-to-have-1-million-times-the-energy-density-of-gasoline
Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe
Well said. - Original Message - From: Adam Moffett via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe That might be true. Even if it is, you can bet that Einstein's theory came with math to back it up. This is something that nobody, even it's inventor, can adequately explain. It requires that we are missing something fundamental about physics. That's not impossible though. Humans used wood fire for heat and light for thousands of years before they understood how it worked. That's why I can be hopeful in spite of it seeming impossible. To say it's impossible is to say we have everything figured out and there's no room for something useful happening that we don't understand. The Physics community didn't welcome Einstein's ideas with open arms either. He was basically a heretic for upsetting the Newtonian Physics apple cart ;-) Once they had proof from the solar eclipse photos that gravity can bend light suddenly everyone jumped on the Relativity band wagon. On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The physics world still isn’t buying it. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:22 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe So Chuck, instead of Animal Farm this year can we all come hang out in your secret laboratory and build one of these together?!?! This is earth shattering, and life changing if it's true...energy is the root of all mankind's problems. 2 cents -sean On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/191754-cold-fusion-reactor-verified-by-third-party-researchers-seems-to-have-1-million-times-the-energy-density-of-gasoline
Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe
Neat! I've got to try that! - Original Message - From: Kade Sullivan via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe That kid taught me how to get tons of AA batteries super cheap. Just buy the big batteries and cut them open. Tons of AAs just come POURING out! On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What the heck is a cow magnate? This whole discussion reminds me of the Youtube nerd that shows people how to make their internet faster by wrapping the ethernet cable around a pencil or something... bpOn 10/13/2014 7:33 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: I agree, when it shows up in a major journal things may look a bit more legit. The whole field has a taint so that may be one reason we have not seen peer reviewed publications. But this is one that keeps coming back again and again. Powdered nickel, treated with special sauce, gives off extra heat when heated. I find the isotope changes listed in the white paper the most interesting features. Something is going on. I would love to insert some nickel filled ceramic rods into my furnace and cut my gas bill by a third. Better than cow magnets on your fuel line... From: Chuck Bartosch via Af Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe Having formerly been in the field I'm more than skeptical. Of course, experience can be the bane of innovation. Still, 1.5 MW isn't a low power, low yield, hard to verify production. Whatever the source of the result, it's not an artifact (ie, it's presumably either real or its fraud). The past well-known announcements of cold fusion, as you know, have been either fraudulent or badly done science (as in, the effects were artifacts of poor design, not cold fusion). What makes me most skeptical is this isn't appearing in a reputable science journal, like Physical Review Letters (something like this surely qualify for publication in a high impact journal like PRL). Or...did I miss something? (Not impossible by any means). Chuck Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:00 AM, Kade Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You cant get people to buy something without proof it's legit. Of course they need a third party to validate. They would need a bunch of cash to make a big enough reactor for it to actually be useful. You can't just *do* things. It takes time/resources/money, and those dont come along with out validation. Not that I'm arguing the point that it's legit or not, as I have no knowledge of the subject. I'd have to have it independently verified to offer my opinion :D On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Chuck Bartosch via Af af@afmug.com wrote: ...and for years it's been BS. Can you imagine how rich these guys would already be if it were real? If it were true, you really wouldn't need a third party to validate. Just do it and be insanely wealthy. Chuck Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Been following this for years. This is the best paper yet. From: Kade Sullivan via Af Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 7:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe 1 gram of fuel produced 1.5 MEGAWATTS of power over 32 days? Am I reading that right? Holy shit! On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/191754-cold-fusion-reactor-verified-by-third-party-researchers-seems-to-have-1-million-times-the-energy-density-of-gasoline
Re: [AFMUG] Tornadoes
I lost a tower in the first wave down here in Alabama. Straight line wind took out a tower, tore the roof off a business in town. Storm tore through from the south. Still have several hours to go, whole other line of storms coming in from the west. - Original Message - From: Jason McKemie via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tornadoes No kidding, we've been under a tornado watch in Springfield for a couple hours now. On Monday, October 13, 2014, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: All of you guys are out in Vegas and we have this crap to deal with back here. Nothing bad up this way yet, but Southern IL has a few tornado warnings already. Hopefully this isn't going to be a repeat of Oct/Nov last year.
Re: [AFMUG] My Saturday morning
If I had to work on a Saturday, that would be my chosen location. That is gorgeous. - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorza via Af To: Animal Farm Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 5:59 PM Subject: [AFMUG] My Saturday morning Site survey on Buck Mountain near Ski Apache. Moving 2 way rpt to new tower and shelter. 13800 ft elevation Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Local source for silicon grease (Corning 4)
Yes - Original Message - From: Jason McKemie via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Local source for silicon grease (Corning 4) Thanks, is that the clear stuff? I can't tell from the autozone website. On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I got some dielectric grease from a automotive parts house. Permatex brand. - Original Message - From: Jason McKemie via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:48 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Local source for silicon grease (Corning 4) Any clues where I might look locally for this? I'm not having any luck. -Jason
Re: [AFMUG] Local source for silicon grease (Corning 4)
This is the one I use. Perfect for RJ45, useless for lubrication. The only problem I've had is that riding around in my tool bag busted the cap and got grease on my tools. http://www.permatex.com/products-2/product-categories/specialized-maintenance-repair/electrical-system-maintenance/permatex-dielectric-tune-up-grease-detail - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Local source for silicon grease (Corning 4) http://www.amazon.com/Permatex-77134-Nickel-Anti-Seize-Lubricant/dp/B007NJOEAI Do NOT put this on RJ45 plugs. Also, I believe for stainless steel hardware you're supposed to avoid anti-seize that contains copper. Auto stores will have anti-seize that contains nickel, copper, graphite, need to make sure it's for stainless steel. Note sure why copper is bad, since another approach is to use silicon bronze nuts on stainless steel threads. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 2:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Local source for silicon grease (Corning 4) I haven't put the lithium on anything more important than a wimax SMmostly it's for my car. But the stainless hardware on the 320 hasn't seized up after a few years with lithium grease on it. I also know one of our installers runs around putting WD-40 on them when he puts them together. I would have expected that to wash off, but his haven't seized up either. Is it just a matter of time? I think there are 3 different applications, don't mix up the products: dielectric grease for waterproofing modular jack connections: Dow Corning DC4 or equivalent grease for rubber feedhorn O-rings: Dow Corning DC111 or equivalent anti-seize for stainless hardware: more than just lithium grease, I would make sure it says something about anti-seize or never-seize or something like that on the label and also that it is intended for stainless steel. Many brands. I think I finally found some Permatex Nickel Anti-Seize at O'Reilly auto parts, after striking out at Autozone and Advance. Note the stuff with nickel dust in it stains, don't get it where you don't want it. You don't need much so I got a little tube, but the brush-top bottle might be good for applying it without getting it on your fingers. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 2:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Local source for silicon grease (Corning 4) Lots of good responses here. I was wondering if you meant a dielectric grease, or something to lube up your stainless parts so they don't seize, or something else? Auto parts store should have options for any of that. I bought a can of lithium grease for $2.99 at Autozone some years ago. It's the size of a peanut can. Since you only need a dab here and there on each part, I've been using that same can for 6-7 years. Any clues where I might look locally for this? I'm not having any luck. -Jason
Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted
The only time I've had issues with the plastic ones was on horizontal installs using direct burial ethernet. The plastic outer lining of the ethernet was too hard for the seal to seal properly. The cheapish outdoor ethernet worked fine. On vertical installs I've never had an issue. They all get dielectric grease now. - Original Message - From: Charles Wu via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted Oh, and I don’t think metal glands necessarily require terminating the cable after passing through the gland (something that should be avoided at all costs). If I’m remembering right when we installed some Exalt G2 links, they had a metal gland that you could pass a cable terminated with a shielded plug through. And that’s their entry level radio. I could be remembering wrong though, I don’t have one here to look at. Yeah, just grabbed an Exalt case that was lying on my desk and saw that…guess I need to do some more metal connector research That being said, is it worth the cost? Do I make plastic standard and include metal Ethernet grommets as an *upgrade* ? Or does that just sound too miserly and I’m just a cheapskate? At $30 / connector * 5 / radio (4 and 1 back-up), that’s an extra $150 / radio or $300 / link cost… -Charles From: Charles Wu via Af Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 4:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted Trying to figure out some Ethernet grommets and since you guys would be the ones directly using/installing these, thought I’d ask for input rather than just trying to guess what’s best for everyone – trying to decide metal vs. plastic Metal - Cannot put Ethernet cable through (need to crimp connector AFTER cable has gone through) - Expensive ($30+ / grommet) – when we’re trying to be competitive against Trango/SAF/etc with an all-outdoor microwave backhaul, every dollar counts (especially if we’re talking up to 4 connectors) - Feels more *rugged* Plastic: - Can put Ethernet cable through with the end on - Cheap ($0.50/grommet) – can throw a bunch of these in with every radio without increasing the price, and could send them out to customers without charging them if a customer needed things - Doesn’t *look/feel* as industrial / rugged as the metal grommet All suggestions / comments / thoughts are welcome Plastic Metal
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
, and they covered our pregnancy. We switched during the first trimester because we didn't have maternity coverage (no self-insured plans in our state had it), and Obamacare made pregnancy not count as a pre-existing condition. It saved us about $7,000-$8,000 this year. The craziest part is that we actually stayed with the same provider, Select Health (IHC). It was just the difference between them providing maternity and not providing maternity. We have been very happy with our Obamacare. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Further the subsidies have been deemed unconstitutional, so they're forcing us to pay insurance with the promise of subsidies that they are now going to take away. Bait and switch. The whole thing has been a screwup from day one. It is actually cheaper for me to pay out of pocket than pay for this insurance, but the fines will get you either way. - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare And so did the quality and options of your care. I know that 2 of my doctors retired early and the other one doesn’t take Obamacare. Fortunately I don’t have to use it. Here is my question though, doesn’t the fact that the federal government wasted a couple billion dollars of your taxes on websites that don’t work, companies that are paying workers to do nothing, and companies that are friends with the First Lady with no bid process in place? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 5:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Please don't forget that this whole obamacare thing was invented by the American Heratage Foundation which is a republican think tank. And the republicans tried to squash Hillarycare with it in the 1990's. Be careful what you ask for because you just might get it. Also, so far in the states that set up their own exchanges medical costs and premiums have been going down...mine sure did :) 2cents Sean On Wednesday, October 8, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hi... I'm not sure exactly how this ObamaCare thing was supposed to save everyone money and provider better health care. We just received our group health insurance premium notice for the upcoming year, and our rates will go up by 10% starting 2015. On top of that, everyone is now paying a 3% ObamaCare tax on their personal income taxes. This doesn't really seem like much of a savings to me... :( Travis
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
it was mostly their idea. Well, other than ObamaCare was championed by Obama and I guess that is enough reason. The basic concept to use the free market and let industry to its thing is normally what Republican’s want. Not to mention its inherent ability to make more money for insurance companies and private industry. Sure, they are upset that it is being used as a wealth distribution system that makes people with money pay more and people without pay less. Ok, so that is two reasons they hate it. The mistake made, was not implementing a single payer system simultaneously with universal coverage. The CBO calculated the saving from the former would pay for the later resulting in no increase in out-of-pocket costs. Then the other benefits of such a privatized system would start to kick in and the open market competition for services will drive costs down. With health care general health would improve and costs would go down even more. Unfortunately the Government is dysfunctional and has zero chance of overcoming the trillions of dollars companies are making off of the existing out of control health care system. And if they could pass the laws, would anyone trust our Government to run such a program? And there is the root problem. Obviously an over simplification but now back to my real job. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare People with pre-existing conditions are one of the few groups benefitting from this. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare We pay about the same as we did but our deductible is lower, our out of pocket max is lower, and they covered our pregnancy. We switched during the first trimester because we didn't have maternity coverage (no self-insured plans in our state had it), and Obamacare made pregnancy not count as a pre-existing condition. It saved us about $7,000-$8,000 this year. The craziest part is that we actually stayed with the same provider, Select Health (IHC). It was just the difference between them providing maternity and not providing maternity. We have been very happy with our Obamacare. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Further the subsidies have been deemed unconstitutional, so they're forcing us to pay insurance with the promise of subsidies that they are now going to take away. Bait and switch. The whole thing has been a screwup from day one. It is actually cheaper for me to pay out of pocket than pay for this insurance, but the fines will get you either way. - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare And so did the quality and options of your care. I know that 2 of my doctors retired early and the other one doesn’t take Obamacare. Fortunately I don’t have to use it. Here is my question though, doesn’t the fact that the federal government wasted a couple billion dollars of your taxes on websites that don’t work, companies that are paying workers to do nothing, and companies that are friends with the First Lady with no bid process in place? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 5:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Please don't forget that this whole obamacare thing was invented by the American Heratage Foundation which is a republican think tank. And the republicans tried to squash Hillarycare with it in the 1990's. Be careful what you ask for because you just might get it. Also, so far in the states that set up their own exchanges medical costs and premiums have been going down...mine sure did :) 2cents Sean On Wednesday, October 8, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hi... I'm not sure exactly how this ObamaCare thing was supposed to save everyone money and provider better health care. We just received our group health insurance premium notice for the upcoming year, and our rates will go up by 10% starting 2015. On top of that, everyone is now paying a 3% ObamaCare tax on their personal income taxes. This doesn't really seem like much of a savings to me... :( Travis
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
Check the prices for those procedures in other countries. Our medical system is out of touch with the rest of the world. I spoke with another Lyme patient who went to visit friends in Japan and got an MRI done there. The expense from the trip and testing still didn't touch what an MRI costs in the US. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare It's not the routine care and occasional small health issue, it's when the $500,000 heart attack happens. Or the $300,000 kidney failure. Or even the $100,000 surgery... that's really what insurance is for. They charge full retail when they have to bill insurance because it's such a pain to actually collect. I work with several medical billing offices. These are full time companies that do nothing but handle insurance billing for doctors, etc... it's THAT big of a job to actually collect from all these insurance companies (the same ones that are making billions in profits each year). Travis On 10/9/2014 3:45 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af wrote: The hospital, yes. The doctor's office, no. I was a cash patient going to a specialist. My insurance price is around $175, my cash price was $130. Same with my meds, I paid cash price at my pharmacy and one run would be $66. With insurance they bill full retail which is closer to double that and I pay a $20 co pay. The pharmacy makes more money with my insurance, but they still made a profit without. I'm good friends with my pharmacist. I ran the numbers, even dealing with Lyme disease I was spending around $2500 a year, including supplements that aren't covered by insurance. I'm paying around $4000 a year for my insurance and still paying a chunk of my doctor bill and my medications, still paying for my supplements. My total healthcare is more like $5000 to $6000 a year now. I spent less on healthcare by paying cash. The testing was nice to have covered by insurance, but I'd have still come out cheaper at the end of the year to pay cash for those than pay my insurance. I will say this, my wife had a miscarriage last month. Insurance came in handy on that bill, however, paying cash for the same service would have only made our healthcare equal what I'm paying for insurance every year. - Original Message - From: Adam Moffett via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare If you go into a Doctor's office and receive aspirin and a hug, you'll still get a $500 bill (or your insurance will). I'd love it if we could address whatever drives the costs up. Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bpOn 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is *designed* to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability
[AFMUG] Purchasing another WISP
I just bought another WISP, negotiating with another. The previous owners set up the system using Rocket M900 using 20MHz channels on everything, stomping all over itself and everyone else in the band. I changed that, did my best to stop the self interference, smaller channels, etc... This was just a tiny bit of back story to show what I've gotten myself in to. Everyone has unlimited access to their 10Mb fiber, which I have replaced by tying it into my network. There was no traffic shaping, no speed limits, no QoS. Most of them aren't heavy users, just a couple that run torrents 24/7. The P2P folks have been limited already. Not terribly worried about upsetting them. I'm a bit concerned I'm going to anger my new customers by matching the same config I have for my system of 1Mb/4Mb. How did/would you guys handle situations like this? My main QoS at the edge prevents any one person from hogging all the bandwidth. I'm currently torn between QoS at the tower and uncapping the CPE or limiting the CPE as I've always done.
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
Well said. Can I borrow your hat? - Original Message - From: That One Guy via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare is the 3% on income tax for this years income or next years income, and is it part of the current standard withholding? As bad as this is, and as bad as it is going to get, it needed to happen. Not because it was a good idea, but because it was inevitable. It needed to make its way through and fail otherwise it would delay other action every four years. Its like the knife in your leg, youre eventually going to have to pull it out, otherwise its going to continue stoping you from doing anything, theres a real risk you will bleed out, theres also a chanche it can heal, but it never will heal while its in there. I wish the douchebag republican side would have at least helped guide it into something less damaging instead of laying on the floor throwing a temper tantrum like a 2 year old child. With them having refused to have anything to do with it and throwing wrenches every step of the way it only guarantees that when this revision failed there will be an affordable care act 2.0 pushed through by the left again, excuse being the aforementioned sissyfits. Hopefully the right will not kill more Americans that time around too. there are going to be alot of older folks whos health wont have time to recover from the implications of no affordable healthcare, and that really sucks, but im banking on being able to get my kids through this disaster alive and them seeing a functional healthcare system of some sort. The middle aged are going to totally drain the system, their pockets are going to be empty on the premiums, so they wont seek healthcare because of the deductibles, there are going to be long term costs associated with that, but I think the left is confident a good number of them will die too. (tin foil hat on) there is a real possibility that there is a reason the illegal immigrans are being dispersed throughout the country so abruptly and the whole ebola thing isnt being taken seriously. A pandemic resulting in mass deaths eliminates a good share of the associated cost of maintaining a population. Ebola and Magic Johnson have proven without a doubt that the right amount of dollars can keep anybody healthy, so really the population loss isnt going to be the ones that matter. (tin foil hat off) On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Not sure they do all states, but if not they can point you in the right direction. Grant North Tall Tree Administrators (801) 274-8100 Generally the stop loss insurance policy would kick in over $40K. There are higher policies out there but you will frequently have one a year or one every other year that will hit the limit. You can pick and choose exactly what you cover and what you don’t. You can educate your employees as to the fact that when they go to the doctor, it comes out of your wallet so please think twice. Employees get a regular insurance card. You get to pick co-pay, and deductibles etc. It is form fit and function equivalent to regular insurance from the employees point of view. From: Mark Radabaugh via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:22 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Send me the info. With 16+ employees and a 10-12k/month insurance bill, it's past time to do something different. Mark On 10/8/14, 12:06 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Anyone with 10 employees or more should be self insured. It saves you 30-50%. I can put you in touch with a third party administrator that will take over all the administrative tasks as well as beating down the health care providers on costs and providing a catastrophic stop loss policy. -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
mmm... bacon... - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Yes, but when we all get Ebola, the joke’s on the insurance companies. And why do you need health insurance anyway? I thought on the farm when you got sick, they just fed you to the pigs. Mm, that made me hungry for some bacon. From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Illinois has an exchange. My premiums doubled. Coverage is less. I should be glad? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 7:00:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Please don't forget that this whole obamacare thing was invented by the American Heratage Foundation which is a republican think tank. And the republicans tried to squash Hillarycare with it in the 1990's. Be careful what you ask for because you just might get it. Also, so far in the states that set up their own exchanges medical costs and premiums have been going down...mine sure did :) 2cents Sean On Wednesday, October 8, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hi... I'm not sure exactly how this ObamaCare thing was supposed to save everyone money and provider better health care. We just received our group health insurance premium notice for the upcoming year, and our rates will go up by 10% starting 2015. On top of that, everyone is now paying a 3% ObamaCare tax on their personal income taxes. This doesn't really seem like much of a savings to me... :( Travis
Re: [AFMUG] And this is why we work so hard
All that would be left of me is a mile long red streak with a smile at the end. That is an awesome line. - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And this is why we work so hard We have 2 boys in school now and neither one of them are getting the hint that they only need to go for 4 years. I know that what I have can do 140mph in ¼ miles, but it puts a smile on my face imagining what I would do with another 140hp. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C8VgUkNnsY From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg via Af Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 1:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And this is why we work so hard Gave up mine to buy the engagement ring for my wife. She told me I could go get a new one. A couple years later, we had our first child and I've put those types of things on my waiting list until the kids are in/out of college. Regards, Chuck On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 2:47 PM, canopy--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Gave up mine a few years ago. I was lucky and never went down but knew it was when not if. The fear of being badly injured exceeded the excitement. On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Dan Petermann via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That is why I don’t ride a bike, especially one like that. All that would be left of me is a mile long red streak with a smile at the end. On Sep 30, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: three words: future organ donor On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Got to have the toys. http://www.rushlane.com/kawasaji-ninja-h2r-300-hp-12132016.html Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
If we push it'll happen. Won't be easy. We'll have to convince them to vote on killing their golden goose. - Original Message - From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter I'm pretty skeptical of partisans and career politicians. Term limits.. but it will never happen. Do a couple terms and then go home and work like everyone else. No, instead they sit there for decades milking connections to get rich and exempt themselves from the laws they force upon us, then collect a pension after some scandal and/or their party disowns them and they finally fade away. On 9/29/2014 7:27 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote: To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI. On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Do you live under a bridge? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO. Does he not hang out upstate enough for you guys? On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: +1 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat. On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: im going with isis on this On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is only a couple miles from our office. They had all the local news choppers up in the air over it on Friday. I was surprised that it didn't garner more national coverage. I guess since it wasn't the terror threat of the day, it didn't get any traction. Just a disgruntled employee. Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act. On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: Oh yeah, I'm in Chicago for a few days. Flew in on thursday before this happened. My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days. That's the big news here. -forrest On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone see this? http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO. ZAU is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), which covers northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south eastern Michigan. There are two sides at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like GYY, MKE, RFD, PIA, and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway International and O'Hare International, one of the busiest airports in the world. On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom room, destroying 23 of the 29 rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from the associated radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide traffic through the busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU duty manager had no choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA command center and reported ATC ZERO -- no controllers available,
Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
Don't mistake soft words for a lack of conviction or naively believing the system works. We run this country. We have to remind everyone of that. Those morons in office work for us, not the other way around. Right now they work for themselves with little to no oversight. Anyway, I've spoken my piece. Not getting any further into the political rabbit hole. Night everyone. - Original Message - From: That One Guy via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter you honestly think that? not a chance in hell pal. The only way that would happen is before somebody closes the pen and phone window a single person writes it into law. One man with a sheep might pull out if you put him in the spotlight, but if you have a barn full of men each with a sheep, you might convince a few to pull out, but never a majority, and we arent even talking sheep at this point, we are talking fresh toothless calves. On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If we push it'll happen. Won't be easy. We'll have to convince them to vote on killing their golden goose. - Original Message - From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter I'm pretty skeptical of partisans and career politicians. Term limits.. but it will never happen. Do a couple terms and then go home and work like everyone else. No, instead they sit there for decades milking connections to get rich and exempt themselves from the laws they force upon us, then collect a pension after some scandal and/or their party disowns them and they finally fade away. On 9/29/2014 7:27 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote: To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI. On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Do you live under a bridge? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO. Does he not hang out upstate enough for you guys? On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: +1 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat. On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: im going with isis on this On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is only a couple miles from our office. They had all the local news choppers up in the air over it on Friday. I was surprised that it didn't garner more national coverage. I guess since it wasn't the terror threat of the day, it didn't get any traction. Just a disgruntled employee. Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act. On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: Oh yeah, I'm in Chicago for a few days. Flew in on thursday before this happened. My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days. That's the big news here. -forrest On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone see this? http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost
Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
I haven't run the newer versions of ROS on a PC yet. V5 was unstable on x86, at least on a Core i7. Seems stable enough on our DNS server, but it is AMD Phenom II and doesn't see traffic aside from DNS. Rumor has it v6 is pretty nice on x86. I'd love to hear confirmation from anyone. V5 enabled use of some Intel cards not working in v4, however would randomly reboot due to a QoS bug with that particular kernel. - Original Message - From: Bruce Robertson via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Oh, and if you really want to have a lot of horsepower why not go with a generic rackmount PC, with redundant power supplies and fans?� Serious question to those with more MT experience than I any problems with doing that? On 09/25/2014 04:25 PM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. via Af wrote: I see all this discussion on CCR and not running BGP on it. I run full tables with 2 external peers on my CCRs with no issue (1 has been up for 240 days and the other 367 days running 6.2 and 6.4 software releases). I am not terminating PPPoE on the devices. You guys are scaring me now. What would you recommend for an x86 product to handle about 800Mbps of traffic with at least 2 external BGP peers and full routes? I see all these products that have atom processors, but that does not see large enough. I was hoping I could find something with Xeon processors. Gilbert On 9/25/2014 9:58 AM, Dennis Burgess via Af wrote: For the moment, anything with more than 1 full bgp feed really should be a x86 product, in v7 that may change, but the limited CPU for BGP in the CCRs is a major factor in our designs for our customers. � Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net � 314-735-0270 � www.linktechs.net � From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+dmburgess=linktechs@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � I�m a bit confused.� What symptoms did you see with your routers?� What I got from Chris� description was that the CCR caused his Edge router to bomb.� Replacing the CCR didn�t fix the problem until they rebooted the Edge router.� Did your routers cause other routers to degrade or crash? � I�m not sure about there being an issue with 6.19 on the CCR but I can tell you that we saw a similar situation with a CCR that had 6.17 (or possibly older, not sure when we updated it) recently.� I would suspect that he�s having an issue with BGP on the CCR.� In our case, the CCR had 2 full BGP tables, PPPOE and OSPF on it.� It took down one of the BGP peers on the Edge router (PowerRouter V3 in our case).� I disabled the BGP peer on the Edge for about 5 minutes and everything worked happily.� When I started it back up, everything was fine until it randomly happened again.� We then shut down the BGP link between the PowerRouter and the CCR.� The CCR does not seem to be able to handle more than one BGP table if it�s doing anything else.� Another CCR seems to be happy as an edge router with 2 full tables on it.� It�s not doing any other function though and we are in process of ordering an x86 replacement. � From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � No, our needs are much simpler but we saw similar issues on 5 routers from 750�s to 1100�s.� Went back to 6.15 and haven�t had a problem in 3 weeks. � Rory � From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � Rory, thanks for your reply. Is your setup fairly similar to ours? PPPoE, Accounting, and BGP all done by the Mikrotik? How many sessions do you have and what kind of throughput? � Chris Wright Velociter Wireless � From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � On the older routers, we went back to 6.15 and things have been rock solid.� We saw similar problems with 6.19. � Rory � From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance
I can't get over the small gain MT uses. It also bugs me that the FCC seems to be all about massive amps and small antennas rather than the reverse. If it was actually about interference PTP shots with narrow beamwidth is preferred. I suppose it is too much to ask for those in our government that set the regulations to actually understand the tech they're regulating. I suppose it could be the manufacturers are going with big amps and small antennas, but it seems that would cost more. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance The SXT antenna were always too weak. Give me 25 dBi or give me death. Well, okay, I don't feel that strongly. I just won't buy it if not. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:30:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance We’re starting the move to .ac with MT now. The 922UAGS-5HPacD has the same dimensions as the 911/411 Boards so we just replace boards. We get good results with Mars Antennas with housing for P2P. The SXT-Antennas are to weak for .ac. The 19db Mars Antennas give good CPE/short range PTP with a small footprint. We use these as Sector-Antennas where we have to cover small areas. The .ac firmware adaption is quite new but we see stable results in the 300-400 Mbit/s range for short links. The .ac boards have faster CPUs so they may increase 11n-Speeds/NAT Performance. The 922-Board has a SFP. Ethernetport has moved. Due to this the RFElements Stationbox XL do not fit. MT .ac does PTP and PTMP and is downward compatible to older boards with 11n/a. SXTs with .ac are not stable with the latest sw-release. So as always with MT you’ve to betatest HW/FW-combination to get it running smooth. Von: Af [mailto:af-bounces+ste=genias@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rory Conaway via Af Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. September 2014 14:26 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance Ya, I don’t’ think so. If you use Ubiquiti you pretty much know what works and what doesn’t. in reality, you use as few custom features as possible outside 802.11 compatibility and limit the radios to Layer 2 bridges or nothing more than NAT whenever possible. Try not to use any of the customer features although AirMax seems to be working pretty well. You just don’t want to add anything that adds to processor overhead on an AP for Rocket M5’s if you have a higher density. When the Titanium’s tanked a couple years ago, there was a huge hole in any kind of AP product with the ability to handle density due to the processor but nobody filled it. It still hasn’t been filled to my satisfaction meaning we aren’t replacing Rocket 5M’s any time soon and we are keeping them at 50 users or less for another few months. However, NetFlix and video streaming means we are pushing that down to a planned 30 over the next couple of months. That numbers are just estimates but somewhere between 30-50 under heavy video streaming usage and AirMax will start causing issues. If you allow torrents or anything that opens up a massive number of connections, then the number of users per AP drops significantly which is why we run filtering on the back end to reduce that. I’ve seen APs with less than 30 go apoplectic with a couple of wild torrent users. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance :-) the ubntboys tend to not be all that informed they blindly swear by whatever the spec sheets and feature notices tell them On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: For the first question, I have no idea, since the only released radios are PtP at this time. Pretty hard to tell. For the second one, ubntboys (at least the informed ones) don't run airsync, because they know it doesn't work well. :) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 09/23/2014 09:06 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: does it work? or does it work in ubntboys eyes like airsync? On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: For clarification for EVERYBODY reading this post, ALL AIRMAX AC PRODUCTS HAVE AIRMAX OFFLOADING :) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 09/23/2014 07:33 PM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote: The ptp-lites do have airmax offloading? I thought they didn't... We've had a
