Re: [AFMUG] List updates
Where's the fun in that Shayne? It's not like we are doing a major tower upgrade today and tomorrow also. Oh, yeah, we are doing that too :) Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Shayne Lebrun via Af Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 10:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List updates Rule 1: Don't change anything major on Friday, unless you like working Saturday. And Sunday. Rule 2: Don't change anything major on Monday. It's Monday. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 9:22 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] List updates Guys, We had a glitch switching over to normal headers with Amazon. We are putting it back the way it was while we work through this with Amazon. We will provide updates as we work through it. Thank you for your patience Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
[AFMUG] List updates
Guys, We had a glitch switching over to normal headers with Amazon. We are putting it back the way it was while we work through this with Amazon. We will provide updates as we work through it. Thank you for your patience Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
[AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process
Friday is the day that we have scheduled to actually flip the switch to running off the different header format. Sorry if that was confusing. Step 1 - get as many people pre-Amazon Authorized as possible. We sent out the Amazon Verification email yesterday. My understanding is that it is only good for 24 hours. So, after that 24 period ends today, we will send another one out to those that haven't gotten authorized, at the end of today. That is a manual process on our end, so we will do it just the one last time. Step 2 - Friday (before noon EST) we will flip the switch. The header format will change after that time. We will monitor it to make sure everything is doing what it is supposed to. Un-Verified subscribers of the list will still be able to read the list, but not send to the list. If they want to generate the Amazon verification email because perhaps they missed the timing on the emails sent this week, they can send an email to af-unsubscr...@afmug.commailto:af-unsubscr...@afmug.com, get OFF the list, and re-subscribe (af-subscr...@afmug.commailto:af-subscr...@afmug.com ) then they will get the Amazon verification email and then the AFMUG verification email. The person who generates the most complaints to the process on the list is required to my all my beer at AFMUG. :) Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
[AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon
Well.. As you all probably are aware, PDMNet has been managing the AFMUG list for Chuck and we have been using Amazon to do it. There were some bumps to get it off the ground as Amazon has VERY specific/strict methods that have to be adhered to in order to send email through their servers. That has resulted in a few differences in the way the list emails look/act with certain clients, and MUCH debate has gone on about it on the list :) In early November, we used our test environment with Amazon to test how things would work if we went the Amazon verified email method, whereby each new subscriber to the list would first get prompted with an Amazon email verification request, and then the AFMUG verification email. This method seems to work just fine (we actively used it like that internally for a week or so) and it handles all the backend stuff just like we want it to.) The email headers then work like they would in any other mail server. We queried the AFMUG list and there was no resistance to us making the changes and adding Amazon verification, but we just got slammed with other projects and didn't pull the trigger on the switchover. Since November, all new subscribers to the list HAVE BEEN required to do the Amazon verification as part of the AFMUG signup. We are now ready to pull the trigger on the changes to get everyone else Amazon verified so we can make the changes to the email headers, etc. Here's what will happen All existing AFMUG subscribers that have not been Amazon verified (most of you) will get an email by the end of today from Amazon to verify your email address. The verification emails are good for 24 hours only. The email does NOT say anything about AFMUG unfortunately, and we can't change it so just be looking for it, check SPAM folders, etc. Probably on Friday, we will turn on normal headers. If you have not been Amazon verified at that point, you will still get emails but if you send any emails to the list they will NOT go through. We will monitor the changes closely and make any adjustments that are needed along the way. To recap, you will get an Amazon verification email shortly. It's important. Follow the instructions please. Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon
Josh, The two issues were that because of the “munged” headers to be Amazon compliant, some programs couldn’t “rebuild” the proper order of threads, resulting in multiple threads or things out of order. There were only a few people that were complaining (which I fully understand, BTW) but it was different than most normal threads. The 2nd issue was related to the sender email address having to be not used/exposed for people to be able to see the direct email address to send PM, etc. Since most people were OK with it, we had to push it down the stack of work to properly test the other options, which were NOT easy to pull off. Amazon is great, very reliability and we don’t have server bounces (like none) but they have a LOT of specific things to do to make it happen. This seemingly made a simple process much more complicated but there are trade-offs in life. Long term, we will all be happy with the consistency, which was both Chuck and my goal. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon Didn't know it was broken. Gmail works just fine. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:42 PM, David via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: YEAAA a threading FIX On 12/30/2014 11:18 AM, Curtis Brotherton via Af wrote: Here comes the Amazon Verification Email � Click the link in the email, and that will verify your email address as valid with Amazon.� � I will be flipping the switch tomorrow that restores the headers to display the actual person and email address of the sender (which also fixes the threading)��� ☺ � === Curtis Brotherton PDMNet (772) 564-6800 � From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:55 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon � Well�� � As you all probably are aware, PDMNet has been managing the AFMUG list for Chuck and we have been using Amazon to do it.� There were some bumps to get it off the ground as Amazon has VERY specific/strict methods that have to be adhered to in order to send email through their servers.� That has resulted in a few differences in the way the list emails look/act with certain clients, and MUCH debate has gone on about it on the list ☺�� � In early November, we used our test environment with Amazon to test how things would work if we went the �Amazon verified email� method, whereby each new subscriber to the list would first get prompted with an Amazon email verification request, and then the AFMUG verification email.� This method seems to work just fine (we actively used it like that internally for a week or so) and it handles all the backend �stuff� just like we want it to.)�� The email headers then work like they would in any other mail server. � We queried the AFMUG list and there was no resistance to us making the changes and adding Amazon verification, but we just got slammed with other projects and didn�t pull the trigger on the switchover.� Since November, all new subscribers to the list HAVE BEEN required to do the Amazon verification as part of the AFMUG signup. � We are now ready to pull the trigger on the changes to get everyone else Amazon verified so we can make the changes to the email headers, etc. � Here�s what will happen�. � All existing AFMUG subscribers that have not been Amazon verified (most of you) will get an email by the end of today from Amazon to verify your email address.� The verification emails are good for 24 hours only.� The email does NOT say anything about AFMUG unfortunately, and we can�t change it so just be looking for it, check SPAM folders, etc.� �Probably on Friday, we will turn on �normal headers�.�� If you have not been Amazon verified at that point, you will still get emails but if you send any emails to the list they will NOT go through. �We will monitor the changes closely� and make any adjustments that are needed along the way. � To recap, you will get an Amazon verification email shortly.� It�s important.� Follow the instructions please. � Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net �
Re: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon
Thanks Chuck! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon My verification subject was: Amazon SES Address Verification Request in region US East (N. Virginia) Regards, Chuck On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Curtis Brotherton via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Here comes the Amazon Verification Email … Click the link in the email, and that will verify your email address as valid with Amazon. I will be flipping the switch tomorrow that restores the headers to display the actual person and email address of the sender (which also fixes the threading) ☺ === Curtis Brotherton PDMNet (772) 564-6800tel:%28772%29%20564-6800 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:55 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon Well…… As you all probably are aware, PDMNet has been managing the AFMUG list for Chuck and we have been using Amazon to do it. There were some bumps to get it off the ground as Amazon has VERY specific/strict methods that have to be adhered to in order to send email through their servers. That has resulted in a few differences in the way the list emails look/act with certain clients, and MUCH debate has gone on about it on the list ☺ In early November, we used our test environment with Amazon to test how things would work if we went the “Amazon verified email” method, whereby each new subscriber to the list would first get prompted with an Amazon email verification request, and then the AFMUG verification email. This method seems to work just fine (we actively used it like that internally for a week or so) and it handles all the backend “stuff” just like we want it to.) The email headers then work like they would in any other mail server. We queried the AFMUG list and there was no resistance to us making the changes and adding Amazon verification, but we just got slammed with other projects and didn’t pull the trigger on the switchover. Since November, all new subscribers to the list HAVE BEEN required to do the Amazon verification as part of the AFMUG signup. We are now ready to pull the trigger on the changes to get everyone else Amazon verified so we can make the changes to the email headers, etc. Here’s what will happen…. All existing AFMUG subscribers that have not been Amazon verified (most of you) will get an email by the end of today from Amazon to verify your email address. The verification emails are good for 24 hours only. The email does NOT say anything about AFMUG unfortunately, and we can’t change it so just be looking for it, check SPAM folders, etc. Probably on Friday, we will turn on “normal headers”. If you have not been Amazon verified at that point, you will still get emails but if you send any emails to the list they will NOT go through. We will monitor the changes closely and make any adjustments that are needed along the way. To recap, you will get an Amazon verification email shortly. It’s important. Follow the instructions please. Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon
Yes, slowly, on purpose. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon I got mine literally 30 seconds ago, I think they are going out slowly. On 12/30/2014 12:40 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: Haven't seen mine as of 10 minutes ago Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 30, 2014 1:28 PM, Seth Mattinen via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Can you let us know when they're finished sending out so we know if ours is lost? ~Seth -- Simon Westlake Powercode - The smart choice in ISP billing and OSS powercode.comhttp://powercode.com P: 920-351-1010 E: si...@powercode.commailto:si...@powercode.com
Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
Maybe ☺ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed? a yes or a no -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
[AFMUG] Merry Christmas from Paul PDMNet
Merry Christmas everyone! I pray that you and your family have a blessed day, creating memories! Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] North Korea is down....
We have blocked 1900 UDP for many years and never have “seen” any side affects from that From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 11:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] North Korea is down UDP 1900 is ephemeral port, and a low number. Many network stacks pick ports sequentially above 1025 which means some portion of legitimate traffic is going to be dropped if you block just based on UDP 1900. It will cause intermittent and unpredictable failures for applications and it will likely be very difficult to troubleshoot since the issue will be short lived in most cases. You probably want to consider a more specific filter looking deeper in the packet. Mark On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: After seeing suspicious traffic I have dropped UDP port 1900 globally with no ill-effects. I have dropepd over 300 GB of that traffic this month. -Ty On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I read somewhere, I think maybe Ars, that the DDoS attack has been going on for several days and is using primarily NTP and SSDP (UPnP discovery protocol) amplification. And that SSDP has succeeded NTP and DNS as the amplification method for big ( 1Gbps) DDoS attacks. Apparently because the industry jumped on securing open NTP servers. And even though SSDP provides less amplification than NTP, there are more targets and they are mostly home routers which consumers are not going to patch even if there is patched firmware available. Plus UDP makes it easier to spoof the source IP. So I must have missed that UDP port 1900 is the new target for amplification. I did a quick torch and saw a bunch of traffic on udp/1900, some inbound only which I assume are scans, some bidirectional which I’m thinking is suspicious but maybe some port 1900 traffic is normal because it is in the 1024 ephemeral port range. I went and signed up for ShadowServer, figuring they will tell me what IPs were responding to SSDP requests on what date and I can track down the customer. Anyone have a better approach? If you identify customers with UPnP open to the outside, are you contacting them and pushing them to fix it? It’s just amazing to me that some routers would have UPnP open on the WAN side. What’s wrong with these companies? I saw DLink mentioned, and sure enough, when I torched for udp/1900, I saw a lot of connections for a customer that I seem to remember has a DLink DIR-655. From: Jaime Solorza via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 7:58 PM To: Animal Farmmailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] North Korea is down linksys modems for backhauls Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390tel:915-861-1390 On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: No! No! They have Comcast Cable and Century Link DSL. Normal stuff. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320tel:317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540tel:317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.nethttp://www.surfici.net/ image001.png What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson via Af Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 4:24 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] North Korea is down The FBI setup a P2P server in North Korea with the Sony movie as the only download. LOL Travis On 12/22/2014 2:08 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote: What did we do? Lol. How did we do it ? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
[AFMUG] WTB: Need to work with a good Motorola 2 Way dealer. STAT !
Need to work with a good Motorola 2 Way dealer. STAT ! Need some intelligence and need to buy some stuff Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.3.3 available now
No, they fixed it From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:15 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.3.3 available now Are you saying that bug still exists in 2.3.3 from 2.3.1 (accessing the radio from a different subnet)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Sakid Ahmed via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: ePMP Release 2.3.3 is now posted on the Cambium support site @ https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp/ This is a point release that addresses the AP accessibility issue from a different subnet. All other features introduced in R2.3.1 are still available. Thanks Sakid
[AFMUG] FS: NEW equipment - 5480APC, 5780APC, CMM3, 3630APC, 5750SMG, 600SS
Please reply OFFLIST Special contest === Every Purchase made by Christmas eve, 2014 gets one entry into a drawing for a $ 250 Credit for PDMNet’s Repair Services, including Motorola, Cambium, Gemtek and Ubiquiti equipment. Drawing winner to be announced on December 29, 2014. Some restrictions apply) (6) NEW 5480APC $ 1049 each Or Best Offer (6) NEW 5780APC $ 1049 each Or Best Offer NEW antennas for above with purchase only - $ 140 each (10) NEW 25 Packs of 5750SMG ADVANTAGE SMs – P11 – NEW - $ 2500 per 25 pack (several available) (10) NEW 30 packs of 600SS $ 450 per 30 pack (3) NEW CMM3$ 849 each (2) NEW 3630APC $ 1900 each (2) NEW 5790SM4 $ 130 each (6) NEW 5450AP P10 $ 299 each (7) NEW 5450AP P10 $ 299 each (4) NEW 5750AP P10 $ 349 each (6) NEW 2450AP P10 $ 349 each (4) 25 packs of NEW CASES New Pigtails - Used radios – 9000SMC - $ 1100 (4) 25 packs of Used Cases New Pigtails Used radios – 9000SMC - $ 1100 (2) 5 packs of Used 9000APC$ 1000 each (3) Used 5780APC$ 895 each OBO on all 3 (3) NEW 25 Packs of 5400SMDD $ 1900 (3) NEW 25 Packs of 5700SMDD $ 1350 Many 100 series Backhauls available – New and Used – please ask. Please reply OFFLIST Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] running ImageStream SW on different hardware
We have their fastest model. Some people have been complaining about it getting to work across all platforms From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 12:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] running ImageStream SW on different hardware Not that I have ever heard of. They still sell new routers. why not just buy a new Imagestream to handle what you are doing? Also don't be afraid of radius...it's pretty mature and solid. All of our routers are Imagestream On Wednesday, December 3, 2014, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We have been running Imagestream Rebel GE (latest REV) at the core for a while now, and been problem free. IS because we run Azotel (without Radius) and IS runs Azotel’s WIB (control software). We are adding more BW (Gig connections) and fear that the IS router might not be able to handle the BW. We are keeping Azotel for sure, and they suggest Radius, but I have gotten by all these years without it (we DID use it in our dialup days) so would like to avoid it still. Was wondering if anyone had heart of running Imagestream flavor of linux on other boxes? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pa...@pdmnet.net');
[AFMUG] running ImageStream SW on different hardware
We have been running Imagestream Rebel GE (latest REV) at the core for a while now, and been problem free. IS because we run Azotel (without Radius) and IS runs Azotel's WIB (control software). We are adding more BW (Gig connections) and fear that the IS router might not be able to handle the BW. We are keeping Azotel for sure, and they suggest Radius, but I have gotten by all these years without it (we DID use it in our dialup days) so would like to avoid it still. Was wondering if anyone had heart of running Imagestream flavor of linux on other boxes? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] epmp - multi site
I thought I heard it was 2degree downtilt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:22 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp - multi site Gotcha. Notice they all came with gps receiversis there any built in downtilt on the antennas? i assume not - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Afmailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp - multi site SyncInjector Gige. Don't forget a sync pipe basic if you want to sync =P All you need is one pair of leads and you can power 4 radios. Very clean and easy. If you don't want to sync, I think the POE injector would work (not certain). You can sync with the GPS antenna, but Forrest will always preach you want one sync source per site and I'm a fan of taking good free advice. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:41 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: so wanting to put 3 or 4 of these on a tower. We can use the included power supplies - but would forrest's power injector work? I know these are gigabit enabled radios which model injector from forrest?
Re: [AFMUG] epmp - multi site
It “acts” like it has 2dB also , based on field testing, but I could be wrong From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 6:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp - multi site That's on the 5ghz sector. Any ideas on the 2.4 sector? Can't find it listed anywhere. On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I thought I heard it was 2degree downtilt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:22 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp - multi site Gotcha. Notice they all came with gps receiversis there any built in downtilt on the antennas? i assume not - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Afmailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp - multi site SyncInjector Gige. Don't forget a sync pipe basic if you want to sync =P All you need is one pair of leads and you can power 4 radios. Very clean and easy. If you don't want to sync, I think the POE injector would work (not certain). You can sync with the GPS antenna, but Forrest will always preach you want one sync source per site and I'm a fan of taking good free advice. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:41 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: so wanting to put 3 or 4 of these on a tower. We can use the included power supplies - but would forrest's power injector work? I know these are gigabit enabled radios which model injector from forrest?
Re: [AFMUG] SAF Hybrid interface question
Jaime, How can they do that with some REAL killer horn parts? Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 5:47 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF Hybrid interface question or a Dirty Loop... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nls1HtXQe8E Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Glad you got it figured out Paul. Sorry I was in meetings or on airplanes all day today. Yes you can power the radio directly with DC and then use the CAT5e interface for data and not the fiber interface. Or both. It's just a switch inside. Just make sure not to create a network loop or something like that :-) Daniel White – Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590tel:%28303%29%20746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.commailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:08 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF Hybrid interface question Yeah, we plugged in copper, made the change in radio. All is good. We don’t do POE at all on this. This was pre-terminated fiber and we will replace fiber in a few days. Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 1:35 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF Hybrid interface question On 12/1/14, 10:28, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: Sure in that case but I think Paul is looking to limp on cat5 during the fiber cut. In which case he can just plug it in and go. If he's running fiber then he's already got it powered since the fiber wasn't doing that. ~Seth
[AFMUG] SAF Hybrid interface question
We have an SAF Lumina with the Hybrid Interface on it. Optical and Electrcial. Our fiber going to the radio got eaten by a big bird. Not THE Big Bird, but A big bird :) Anyway, can we actually use the EL (copper) interface to pass data? I have emailed SAF this AM and not gotten an answer yet Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] SAF Hybrid interface question
Yes, we have their fancy POE From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF Hybrid interface question Do you have their fancy POEs? I'm not sure if it does typical POE as the unit is 35 watts+ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We have an SAF Lumina with the Hybrid Interface on it. Optical and Electrcial. Our fiber going to the radio got eaten by a big bird. Not THE Big Bird, but A big bird ☺ Anyway, can we actually use the EL (copper) interface to pass data? I have emailed SAF this AM and not gotten an answer yet Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] SAF Hybrid interface question
Actually, Josh, we don’t have their POE. Had to think about that. We run power separately and just had a fiber transceiver at the router area From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF Hybrid interface question Do you have their fancy POEs? I'm not sure if it does typical POE as the unit is 35 watts+ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We have an SAF Lumina with the Hybrid Interface on it. Optical and Electrcial. Our fiber going to the radio got eaten by a big bird. Not THE Big Bird, but A big bird ☺ Anyway, can we actually use the EL (copper) interface to pass data? I have emailed SAF this AM and not gotten an answer yet Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] SAF Hybrid interface question
Yeah, we plugged in copper, made the change in radio. All is good. We don’t do POE at all on this. This was pre-terminated fiber and we will replace fiber in a few days. Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 1:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF Hybrid interface question On 12/1/14, 10:28, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: Sure in that case but I think Paul is looking to limp on cat5 during the fiber cut. In which case he can just plug it in and go. If he's running fiber then he's already got it powered since the fiber wasn't doing that. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] SAF Hybrid interface question
Yes, and that ! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 5:17 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF Hybrid interface question and set trap for birds? Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah, we plugged in copper, made the change in radio. All is good. We don’t do POE at all on this. This was pre-terminated fiber and we will replace fiber in a few days. Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 1:35 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF Hybrid interface question On 12/1/14, 10:28, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: Sure in that case but I think Paul is looking to limp on cat5 during the fiber cut. In which case he can just plug it in and go. If he's running fiber then he's already got it powered since the fiber wasn't doing that. ~Seth
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Please reply OFFLIST Special contest === Every Purchase made by close of business Monday December 1, 2014 gets one entry into a drawing for a $ 250 Credit for PDMNet’s Repair Services, including Motorola, Cambium, Gemtek and Ubiquiti equipment. Drawing winner to be announced on December 2, 2014. Some restrictions apply) LIMITED QUANTIES BEING SOLD AT THESE PICES. SALE ENDS MONDAY, DECEMBER 1, 2014. (10) NEW 25 Packs of 5750SMG ADVANTAGE SMs – P11 – NEW - $ 2500 per 25 pack (several available) (10) NEW 30 packs of 600SS $ 450 per 30 pack (4) NEW CMM3$ 849 each (5) NEW 3630APC $ 1900 each (15) NEW 5790SM20 $ 180 each (5) NEW 5790SM40 (Uncapped)$ 220 each (2) NEW 5790SM10$ 160 each (2) NEW 5790SM4 $ 130 each (6) NEW 5450AP P10 $ 299 each (7) NEW 5450AP P10 $ 299 each (4) NEW 5750AP P10 $ 349 each (6) NEW 2450AP P10 $ 349 each (4) 25 packs of NEW CASES New Pigtails - Used radios – 9000SMC - $ 1100 (4) 25 packs of Used Cases New Pigtails Used radios – 9000SMC - $ 1100 (2) 5 packs of Used 9000APC$ 1000 each (3) Used 5780APC$ 895 each OBO on all 3 (3) NEW 25 Packs of 5400SMDD $ 1900 (3) NEW 25 Packs of 5700SMDD $ 1350 Many 100 series Backhauls available – New and Used – please ask. Please reply OFFLIST Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] For Cambium
Sean, We have a 12 mile 11 Ghz link engineered by SAF for 99.994 with 3 ft. dishes (again in Florida – heavy humidity ALL the time) . It is installed within 1 dB of the calculated spec. And, we lose it completely a couple times complete a few times each year with heavy rains. And, we do get some VERY heavy rains during the summer. So, for me to plan on any longer distance than 12 miles at 11 Ghz with 3ft. dishes would not make sense to me. I can explore the 6 Ghz smaller dish option. 3 ft. dishes is about the max I can imagine using on the Rohn 25G 190 ft. tower even though it has multiple custom anti-twist supports. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For Cambium 6ghz is now able to use smaller antenna sizes. Also 11ghz with adaptive modulation should be just fine during heavy rain events. We have a 30 mile 11ghz shot in CO and it's never dropped during a rain event. And we had some massive downpours that dropped a couple inches of rain in less than an hour. On Monday, November 24, 2014, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Unfortunately, the 14, 15, 16 mile links in Florida would be fairly difficult at 11 ghz, even with 4ft dishes, which I cant load up on a Rohn 25G tower. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 2:25 PM To: af@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For Cambium i would go licensed gear from SAF (or your favorite licensed PTP vendor). we keep all the unlicensed bands available for PMP...we use licensed for PTP. the difference between a wifi backhaul and a licensed backhaul is like the difference between a Ford Focus and a Ferrari F12berlinetta. they are both cars that drive on roads but that's about where the similarities end. same thing with backhauls. 2 cents -sean On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: Cambium, Can you please make a suggestion as to what equipment that you recommend to us for this type of problem/solution? Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:32 PM To: af@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other towers. Everything is OSPF but logically... Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several anti-twist devices) is fed by... Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik RB912 5 Ghz This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable bandwidth and feeds about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5 This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G Tower R then feeds... Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act. There are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain) to each other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios on the backside links. The challenge... First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C. And, I need better consistency... at times the links do not perform as I expect and then I get customer complaints etc. I hate that. So, what would be the best solution that Cambium can recommend other than a ton of licensed links? Obviously, the gear I am using now is inexpensive. The PTP110 solution ... 2ms unsyncedcan it sync, now or tomorrow? Latency with sync? Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:47 AM To: af@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force Hi, Please allow me to clarify. The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE ports. The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the single GigE port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. GPS capabilities will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on board
[AFMUG] PTP450 3.65
Anyone using these yet?PTP450 in 3.65Ghz What kind of BW and what distance are you seeing with what antennas? Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 3.65
The reason that I was asking is that I installed the Link Planner yesterday and it has no option for PTP450 yet From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:55 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 3.65 You can use the cambium link planner to run paths for distances and dish sizes. They are 120mbps aggregate links (as long as you are running in 8x and 20mhz channel size) On Tuesday, November 25, 2014, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone using these yet?PTP450 in 3.65Ghz What kind of BW and what distance are you seeing with what antennas? Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pa...@pdmnet.net');
[AFMUG] For Cambium
Cambium, Can you please make a suggestion as to what equipment that you recommend to us for this type of problem/solution? Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other towers. Everything is OSPF but logically... Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several anti-twist devices) is fed by... Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik RB912 5 Ghz This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable bandwidth and feeds about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5 This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G Tower R then feeds... Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act. There are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain) to each other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios on the backside links. The challenge... First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C. And, I need better consistency... at times the links do not perform as I expect and then I get customer complaints etc. I hate that. So, what would be the best solution that Cambium can recommend other than a ton of licensed links? Obviously, the gear I am using now is inexpensive. The PTP110 solution ... 2ms unsyncedcan it sync, now or tomorrow? Latency with sync? Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force Hi, Please allow me to clarify. The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE ports. The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the single GigE port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. GPS capabilities will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on board GPS chip to track satellites and provide coordinates). The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release 2.4 and will apply to both products. Reading this spec sheet. http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/files/PRODUCTS/ePMP/FORCE/Force%20110%20PTP_Oct2014.pdf LATENCY (nominal, one way) 2 ms (PTP Mode), 6 ms (Flexible Frame Mode) , 17 ms (GPS Sync Mode)
Re: [AFMUG] For Cambium
Unfortunately, the 14, 15, 16 mile links in Florida would be fairly difficult at 11 ghz, even with 4ft dishes, which I cant load up on a Rohn 25G tower. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 2:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For Cambium i would go licensed gear from SAF (or your favorite licensed PTP vendor). we keep all the unlicensed bands available for PMP...we use licensed for PTP. the difference between a wifi backhaul and a licensed backhaul is like the difference between a Ford Focus and a Ferrari F12berlinetta. they are both cars that drive on roads but that's about where the similarities end. same thing with backhauls. 2 cents -sean On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Cambium, Can you please make a suggestion as to what equipment that you recommend to us for this type of problem/solution? Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:32 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other towers. Everything is OSPF but logically... Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several anti-twist devices) is fed by... Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik RB912 5 Ghz This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable bandwidth and feeds about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5 This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G Tower R then feeds... Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act. There are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain) to each other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios on the backside links. The challenge... First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C. And, I need better consistency... at times the links do not perform as I expect and then I get customer complaints etc. I hate that. So, what would be the best solution that Cambium can recommend other than a ton of licensed links? Obviously, the gear I am using now is inexpensive. The PTP110 solution ... 2ms unsyncedcan it sync, now or tomorrow? Latency with sync? Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:47 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force Hi, Please allow me to clarify. The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE ports. The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the single GigE port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. GPS capabilities will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on board GPS chip to track satellites and provide coordinates). The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release 2.4 and will apply to both products. Reading this spec sheet. http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/files/PRODUCTS/ePMP/FORCE/Force%20110%20PTP_Oct2014.pdf LATENCY (nominal, one way) 2 ms (PTP Mode), 6 ms (Flexible Frame Mode) , 17 ms (GPS Sync Mode)
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force
For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other towers. Everything is OSPF but logically... Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several anti-twist devices) is fed by... Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik RB912 5 Ghz This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable bandwidth and feeds about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5 This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G Tower R then feeds... Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act. There are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain) to each other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios on the backside links. The challenge... First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C. And, I need better consistency... at times the links do not perform as I expect and then I get customer complaints etc. I hate that. So, what would be the best solution that Cambium can recommend other than a ton of licensed links? Obviously, the gear I am using now is inexpensive. The PTP110 solution ... 2ms unsyncedcan it sync, now or tomorrow? Latency with sync? Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force Hi, Please allow me to clarify. The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE ports. The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the single GigE port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. GPS capabilities will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on board GPS chip to track satellites and provide coordinates). The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release 2.4 and will apply to both products. Reading this spec sheet. http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/files/PRODUCTS/ePMP/FORCE/Force%20110%20PTP_Oct2014.pdf LATENCY (nominal, one way) 2 ms (PTP Mode), 6 ms (Flexible Frame Mode) , 17 ms (GPS Sync Mode)
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force
Jeff, It looks like you are saying that the connectorized radios withouth sync CAN indeed get sync from external source, CMM3, CMM4, sync injector. I wasn’t aware that was the case From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force The 110 PTP unit has sync on board...disabled...expect that's to keep us from buying that unit and swapping the radios for a connectorized unit without sync. :-) I expect that, like the connectorized radio without sync, that you can take sync from a different source, like a CMM4. Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies, Inc. 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@converge-tech.commailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com On Nov 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other towers. Everything is OSPF but logically... Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several anti-twist devices) is fed by... Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik RB912 5 Ghz This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable bandwidth and feeds about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5 This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G Tower R then feeds... Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act. There are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain) to each other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios on the backside links. The challenge... First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C. And, I need better consistency... at times the links do not perform as I expect and then I get customer complaints etc. I hate that. So, what would be the best solution that Cambium can recommend other than a ton of licensed links? Obviously, the gear I am using now is inexpensive. The PTP110 solution ... 2ms unsyncedcan it sync, now or tomorrow? Latency with sync? Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:47 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force Hi, Please allow me to clarify. The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE ports. The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the single GigE port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. GPS capabilities will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on board GPS chip to track satellites and provide coordinates). The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release 2.4 and will apply to both products. Reading this spec sheet. http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/files/PRODUCTS/ePMP/FORCE/Force%20110%20PTP_Oct2014.pdf LATENCY (nominal, one way) 2 ms (PTP Mode), 6 ms (Flexible Frame Mode) , 17 ms (GPS Sync Mode)
[AFMUG] Working with Crown Castle vs. American Tower
We have 3 Crown Castle towers that we have had since 2003. Started around $ 500 per month for 4 sectors and 2 BHs back then. Rent escalations plus now having 6 sectors on it now, have brought the rent up to around $ 1000/month. We are exploring our other options for new towers. Two of the ideal locations are Crown Castle sites and I called them. My CC rep sent me all the standard fee sheets - $ 5K and up etc. and high rents. Has anyone got any precedence for pricing with CC where they have become competitive to someone like American Tower and their 4WISP program? A.T. starts at $ 500 for 2 3ft BHs and 4 Sectors. A premium tower, as they call it, can have a $ 100 to $ 150 uptick, but that still seems reasonable. Thoughts? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Phantom Default Plug?
Matt, There are actually lots of little chips around the CPU area that can cause this and a couple other parts that can as well. We actually have a proprietary workaround that works pretty universally to fix this, but I cant share that secret :) it involve no component swaps. Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Phantom Default Plug? Anyone know the component to replace to fix this? Have replaced ethernet controller chips and diodes on P9 units. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I had one do that, Paul at PDMNet said it was a hardware problem and apparently somewhat common, I sent it in and they fixed it. It was a pretty old SM and I thought it was just crud or water in the jack or on the PCB but I cleaned it up really good with alcohol with no success. From: Steve D via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 9:02 PM To: af Subject: [AFMUG] Phantom Default Plug? I know I've seen this before, but just had an FSK 2.4 SM do this to me - real bugger too because it was the last in my truck while I was out doing a site test. Any ideas what caused it or how to fix it? I think I was in the process of changing color codes when it happened. It's just my truck test unit running 11.2 firmware. Going to 13.1.3 didn't fix, nor did going back to 10.5. Put in a real default plug and reset to defaults too. -Steve D
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Beta Release 2.3.1 Available Now
Worked fine for me... questioning the gateway aspect as well... either it assumes a gateway based on IP and mask OR its using the public Gateway to get home From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Admin via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 3:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Beta Release 2.3.1 Available Now With regards to separate management IP: 1) I enable the feature 2) Select static 3) enter IP and mask 4) No Gateway field ? 5) save configuration (I suppose not so since save is still available) 6) Reboot. 7) Poof settings gone. 8) If error=1 goto step 1 9) Happyness counter=0 Steve B. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ray Savich via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:38 PM To: 'af@afmug.com' Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP Beta Release 2.3.1 Available Now Check out http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-Beta/New-ePMP-Beta-Release-2-3-1-now-available/m-p/36200 for details. Ray
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Software 2.3
We have 2.3 on one tower because we needed 10 Mhz channels. No problems that we have noticed From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rex-List Account via Af Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 8:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Software 2.3 I have it installed on a test bench with no issues. Have not released it in the wild yet. I have not had any issues so far but it this was only a couple test units. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 6:43 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Software 2.3 Has anyone else tried 2.3 yet? Support is directing me to install it, but this is the only 2.3 report I've seen... and not overly optimistic. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 7:42:15 PM Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP Software 2.3 I was just deploying 2 sectors after successful tests and went ahead and updated them with 2.3. Big mistake! I can no longer access them through the web browser. I can SSH briefly to them before that session locks up. I was wondering if anyone knows how to revert them to the previous software via the command line (They have 2 software banks)? The only thing I have figured out is how to reboot them because the session will not stay up. CNUT will also not work to re-upload 2.2 (hung uploading image). Gilbert
[AFMUG] marketing of redundant links
Anybody have a crafty marketing letter / card for trying to sell your service as a redundant connection for those that already have DSL / Cable? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Does it exist ?
Where you guys are using them, I assume you put up 4 units to get 360 coverage on 2.4 ? Does the overlap on 5 Ghz (since they are 120 degrees in 5 Ghz) give you any problems or is that a “bonus” ? I know ePMP stuff can be a bit touchy with overlap (in 2.4 anyways) Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird via Af Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 6:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does it exist ? We just deployed them on a site and they seem to be working fine. We have plans to install them on 6-8 more sites. Josh On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I know of ITElite – do they actually work well? Are there other options? Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 3:41 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Does it exist ? Dual Polarity, Dual Band (2.4 / 5 Ghz) sector antennas? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
That would be fine for me From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:45 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik POE on a gigabit port is a special sort of animal. Might preclude doing non-gigabit on those ports. bp On 10/30/2014 7:38 AM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote: And at least some of those POE out ports need to be Gigabit. I really, really wish Mikrotik would make a bigger, better version of the RB750UP... it's a great design, but it needs to a bit more power (and gigabit)... more ports would be nice too, but at least I can just use a whole stack of them to get around that. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Paul McCall via Af [af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:26 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And POE Out as an option on a bunch of ports !! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports for whatever. On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock... I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them )..� For DC input up to 30Volts or even 48volt would be great. Why is it so hard to have a little thing like that :( On 10/29/2014 5:59 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: RB493, RB2011, RB1100, RB1200. bp On 10/29/2014 3:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote: � OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via POE. does such a beast exist?� Hook me up with a model # please � thanks � -- [cid:image001.jpg@01CFF43D.CAC738F0]
Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123
All good TJ ? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123 Test 1213 On Oct 30, 2014 12:11 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com wrote: Test 1211pm On Oct 29, 2014 2:07 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com wrote:
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP feature
+1 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP feature The sooner the better! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Sriram Chaturvedi via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:45:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP feature Steve, Yes, we are considering doing a point release to 2.3 to add this support. Thanks, Sriram From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Admin via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 4:12 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP feature Anyone know when Cambium is going to add a management IP address for ePMP when configured to run NAT/PPPoE. The lack of management IP is really getting to be a PIA. Steve B.
[AFMUG] Using outside reps or service to call customers?
Is anyone using a 3rd party company to call your customers on your behalf, primarily in the area of upsells of service or routers? We have been pushing the Mikrotik routers to each customer prem and its really helping us a LOT to solve or at least see the customers internal issues (what device is using what bandwidth etc.). We do email blasts and an occasional robo-calls when we are going to be upgrading a tower, especially 2.4 customers, because it saves us having to get customers talked into logging into their router and changing frequencies to avoid radio conflicts, etc. The real question is, is anyone using a 3rd part sales/marketing service etc. to contact existing customers for this type thing? Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Using outside reps or service to call customers?
Yes, probably 95% of working numbers. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 5:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using outside reps or service to call customers? You have working phone numbers for your customers? That alone is a major achievement. I go along dumb and happy thinking I do, until I need to reach them, and find out the number is no longer in service. From: Paul McCall via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 3:32 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Using outside reps or service to call customers? Is anyone using a 3rd party company to call your customers on your behalf, primarily in the area of upsells of service or routers? We have been pushing the Mikrotik routers to each customer prem and its really helping us a LOT to solve or at least see the customers internal issues (what device is using what bandwidth etc.). We do email blasts and an occasional robo-calls when we are going to be upgrading a tower, especially 2.4 customers, because it saves us having to get customers talked into logging into their router and changing frequencies to avoid radio conflicts, etc. The real question is, is anyone using a 3rd part sales/marketing service etc. to contact existing customers for this type thing? Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] WTB: Rohn 65, 55 or similar towers
Chris, We have found some pieces like that, but like you say not about 45G. In this case, I need 80 ft. unguyed, which 65G is the entry level for that From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Fabien via Af Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 9:18 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB: Rohn 65, 55 or similar towers We have bought lots of used tower from ham radio guys, they dont usually go above 45g though but you might find something. On Oct 24, 2014 10:56 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I have a need to build 4 80 ft. and 2 60 ft. un-guyed towers on the cheap . I was thinking of some used 65G tower pieces that I can easily do 80 feet unguyed. Not seeing much out there that is reasonable. I emailed several companies that I found on google but no one seemed to have stock (on the ground) of used pieces. Anybody know of some good sources for this? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
[AFMUG] WTB: Rohn 65, 55 or similar towers
I have a need to build 4 80 ft. and 2 60 ft. un-guyed towers on the cheap . I was thinking of some used 65G tower pieces that I can easily do 80 feet unguyed. Not seeing much out there that is reasonable. I emailed several companies that I found on google but no one seemed to have stock (on the ground) of used pieces. Anybody know of some good sources for this? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
[AFMUG] PTP450 3.65
Anybody using these yet? Results? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
[AFMUG] Questions on Cambium ePMP 2.4 90/120 degree sector
We have done a 50+ unit ePMP forklift yesterday/today and are having some issues right at the edge of the 90 degree sector coverage. We have the sectors installed at 0,90,180, 270 degrees - very precisely - we had great landmarks to use for a guide at each degree) (week signals right at these spots - 40 to 50 degree, 130 to 140 degree, 220 to 230 degree, and 310 to 320 degree areas), starting at about the 3 mile point and moving outward. My understanding is that this same sector can be used as a 120 degree sector as well (I guess with an extra 3dB or rolloff), so I am surprised that we are seeing these issues on the fringe of 90 degree coverage. Anybody else having issues like this? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 3.65
I was hoping it might be usable to replace a UBNT 3.65 link at 18 miles that is getting me only about 35 to 40Mbit of throughput. 60 to 70 Mbit would be a help. Not sure if that is a reasonable expectation From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 12:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 3.65 Sorry - didn't catch the extra P I have one 5.4 version running. It's actually better on throughput that I was expecting but we have seen long delays in getting it to establish a link even with excellent signal strength. Mark On 10/22/14, 12:27 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: I want to make sure we are on the same page. Not asking about the PMP450 3.65 I am asking about the PTP450 3.65 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 12:05 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 3.65 I do have a 450 on a KP Omni with 44 customers on it. Seems to work quite well so far. The longest is at 2.9 miles, most are inside 1 mile. This is a very space constrained tower with a propensity for getting hit by lightning. At some point it will likely be converted to 4 sectors. Mark On 10/22/14, 11:53 AM, Matt via Af wrote: Anybody using these yet? Results? Expensive. Works great. Omni results in less then half range if you go that way though. -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.netmailto:m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021 -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.netmailto:m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
[AFMUG] Kudus to Chuck and Beehive ePMP dishes
We did a 50+ ePMP customer swapout the past two days and had some customers that were borderline. We were using Brand X dishes for most of the swapouts with pretty good results. We have a few links that were not about -76 to -78 and decided to try Beehive Manufacturing's bigger dish with the specific 2.4 Ghz holder. I recall Chuck telling me at Wispapalooza last year that he had discovered something about how to tweak 2.4 over 5 Ghz on ePMP and that's why he has two different holders. Well, his design rocks!The first site is about 5 miles away in heavy trees and we couldn't get a steady link (-78ish) with a standard dish. It now is rock solid at a -62/63 with 78Mbit/4Mbit TCP throughput on the link tests. The second site is 8.5 miles away with LOS and we also went from -78 to -62 and it is even better on the throughput. Whew! Saved our butt on about 5 similar links today. Also, thanks for Chuck and Traci for getting the 2.4 Ghz holders to us so quickly when screamed help yesterday. Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Kudus to Chuck and Beehive ePMP dishes
Yes, we have forklifted 5 or 6 towers now from a Canopy 100 series 2.4. In general, we have been happy. There is a lot to learn on ePMP planning and best practices vs. the Canopy 100 series set it and forget it. The Frequency reuse and GPS does seem to work pretty well on ePMP. We have one POP that has UBNT and Mikrotik interference and that site is giving us some challenges. Since going 802.11 2.4, we are abandoning the FSK C/I throne to become one of the common folk. I find Cambium's implementation to be better than the other guys, but interference is interference, so to speak. But, I am not sure I would not be having the same exact considerations using ANY radio with higher modulation requirements, including the 450 series. /shrug ? Overall, I give ePMP a 7.5 out of 10 with slow, regular advancements from the software team. Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 4:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kudus to Chuck and Beehive ePMP dishes Was this a Canopy 2.4 FSK pop you upgraded? How are you liking the ePMP as a replacement? On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We did a 50+ ePMP customer swapout the past two days and had some customers that were borderline. We were using “Brand X” dishes for most of the swapouts with pretty good results. We have a few links that were not about -76 to -78 and decided to try Beehive Manufacturing’s bigger dish with the specific 2.4 Ghz holder. I recall Chuck telling me at Wispapalooza last year that he had discovered something about how to tweak 2.4 over 5 Ghz on ePMP and that’s why he has two different holders. Well, his design rocks!The first site is about 5 miles away in heavy trees and we couldn’t get a steady link (-78ish) with a standard dish. It now is rock solid at a -62/63 with 78Mbit/4Mbit TCP throughput on the link tests. The second site is 8.5 miles away with LOS and we also went from -78 to -62 and it is even better on the throughput. Whew! Saved our butt on about 5 similar links today. Also, thanks for Chuck and Traci for getting the 2.4 Ghz holders to us so quickly when screamed “help” yesterday. Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Kudus to Chuck and Beehive ePMP dishes
I have asked about that too, and I just hear cricketsthe only comment I head was 450 had better filters but I asked for follow-up comparison data vs. a guess and got more crickets. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 5:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kudus to Chuck and Beehive ePMP dishes On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yes, we have forklifted 5 or 6 towers now from a Canopy 100 series 2.4. In general, we have been happy. There is a lot to learn on ePMP planning and best practices vs. the Canopy 100 series set it and forget it. The Frequency reuse and GPS does seem to work pretty well on ePMP. We have one POP that has UBNT and Mikrotik interference and that site is giving us some challenges. Since going 802.11 2.4, we are abandoning the FSK C/I throne to become one of the common folk. I find Cambium's implementation to be better than the other guys, but interference is interference, so to speak. But, I am not sure I would not be having the same exact considerations using ANY radio with higher modulation requirements, including the 450 series. I am really curious if the 450 would have done better in the face of interference vs the ePMP. I have not heard of anyone doing a good comparison yet. /shrug ? Overall, I give ePMP a 7.5 out of 10 with slow, regular advancements from the software team.
Re: [AFMUG] Kudus to Chuck and Beehive ePMP dishes
Thanks Bill ! -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 7:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kudus to Chuck and Beehive ePMP dishes It's more than filters. I would expect that the ePMP would do better in a low-noise environment because the frames are pretty large. However, if there is a lot of interference, I would expect the PMP450 to get better because it can fit a bunch of ATM-like frames in between bits of interference. bp On 10/22/2014 2:24 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: I have asked about that too, and I just hear cricketsthe only comment I head was 450 had better filters but I asked for follow-up comparison data vs. a guess and got more crickets. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 5:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kudus to Chuck and Beehive ePMP dishes On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yes, we have forklifted 5 or 6 towers now from a Canopy 100 series 2.4. In general, we have been happy. There is a lot to learn on ePMP planning and best practices vs. the Canopy 100 series set it and forget it. The Frequency reuse and GPS does seem to work pretty well on ePMP. We have one POP that has UBNT and Mikrotik interference and that site is giving us some challenges. Since going 802.11 2.4, we are abandoning the FSK C/I throne to become one of the common folk. I find Cambium's implementation to be better than the other guys, but interference is interference, so to speak. But, I am not sure I would not be having the same exact considerations using ANY radio with higher modulation requirements, including the 450 series. I am really curious if the 450 would have done better in the face of interference vs the ePMP. I have not heard of anyone doing a good comparison yet. /shrug ? Overall, I give ePMP a 7.5 out of 10 with slow, regular advancements from the software team.
Re: [AFMUG] List Admin
Nate... send to me... my admin is out , so it might be a couple hours -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:03 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] List Admin Who do we talk to about some Technical questions about the list? Trying to get a user subscribed, but it says they're already subscribed. No list email seems to be coming in for them though. Nate
Re: [AFMUG] DFS issues
Craig, We have a bunch of the 5.2 APs P9 in the warehouse if you need any. Paul, PDMNet 772-564-6800 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House via Af Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 11:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] DFS issues We are starting to see a lot more DFS detections on 5.2 AP's. We never used to have this problem. Recent upgrades to firmware seem to be making this a more sensitive detection. I have one tower tonight with 6 new FSK sectors that are on abcabc layout. The sectors in this layout have radar detection on this tower at various times in the last 20 minutes on both sector c radios and on the second sector B. I am also seeing this happen on towers where we have recently replaced connectorized AP's due to lightining damage where it was not a problem before. we are running 13.1.3 on all of these radios. What are my options here. I cant just stop using 5.2 for APs??? Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons
Kurt, I have some comments inline. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 2:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons I started the spring deploying 450 in 2.4ghz, 5ghz, and 3.65ghz and then middle of the summer deciding i had totry some ePMP because the cost was so low I couldn't resist I can say now that I am fairly certain I will probably stick with the 450. There are many small reasons that when I considered them all i came to this conclusion. Here are my reasons: 1. ePMP latency starts to go up quickly once you have more than 10 clients on an AP. Once you get over 20 clients the latency is pretty much 25-30 ms. Cambium was honest about this at the road tour and they noted if you want the best latency to stick with the 450. The BIGGEST factor on ePMP (or any 802.11) is quality installs EVERY time. You cannot have borderline customers (lots of retransmissions in the stats) or you will really hurt the APs ability to do its thing. This is not new to 802.11, but very different from regular Canopy gear. You have to raise your standards of what is acceptable from a SNR and link test capability. Our standard is evolving on this, but if we have a radio performing at less than 50% of maximum capacity, we don’t accept it. We do whatever it takes to get better LOS (or NLOS). 2. Sync between the two platforms is not there yet. If you have adjacent towers on the different platforms that can see each other you won't have sync. Sync is coming Cambium has promised. 3. No remote spectrum analyzer for clients. This is HUGE for when the clients fire up their wireless camera and baby monitors and trash the whole spectrum. Agreed. Remote SA is needed. eDedect does a pretty good job and picking things up and we use Mikrotik routers inside the home to help diagnose Scan/Snoop whats going on inside the home. This has been HUGE for us. 4.No burst bucket on CPE's. Agreed. Though we manage burst / sustained at the head-end 5.EPMP Interface is SLOWWW. Cambium explained at the tour they were offloading alot of processing power to the PC you are viewing the interface with and i can't be taking a quad core machine up a tower to work on these radios and do site surveys. I am working with a Panasonic Toughbook and takes FOREVER to log into the EPMP radios. Agreed. If the PCs would cache the Java libraries that come down to the PC, I think they would solve the problem. I have suggested that o Cambium. 6. Fore some reason site surveys are a PITA with ePMP. Think its a combination of many factors here... slow interface one of them... hmmm… not had an issue… our installers say they are easy. The LEDs’ get you very close, then someone else tweaks them (another tech onsite or remotely from the office. But, yes, the interface could be quicker. 7. EPMP in 5ghz DFS band has really low power output. Something like 13-14db. This has fixed in later firmware versions. When using an omni antenna you can't get maximum legal EIRP out of the ePMP. 8. 450 link tests and SM modulation is pretty stable and predictable. EPMP seems like its all over the place. I don't think I have yet seen EPMP linktest get full up or down outside of a lab environment. We have customers getting 110Mbit aggregate on their link test in the field (UDP of course). There might be other reasons but I'm pretty tired and was heading for bed. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.comhttp://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 5:05 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I haven't been keeping real up to date on current generation ptmp offerings but we have a new site going up and I need to decide pretty quickly on some equipment. For the guys who have been using both 450 and epmp do you have any pros and cons ? Any reason to spend the extra money when epmp seems to have the same if not better performance , sync, etc? My gut says 450 is going to be my best long term solution but with all of the positive epmp feedback it's hard to justify the extra money?
Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question
We don’t have that exact scenario, but you could monitor or throttle through a router (Mikrotik) or use the SM QOS to help mitigate that (somewhat) -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:14 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question The other issue is p2p traffic between two people on the same AP and if you are doing bandwidth shaping in your router, even at the tower, you will never see these packets. Or in the case the original poster asked about, that customer could keep a high-def window open of all their video cameras at the other location, using 3-4Mbps of constant traffic, and you would never see it. Travis On 10/15/2014 1:48 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: When you forward SM-to-SM traffic upstream, there's nothing the router can do about it. Put the two locations on different IP subnets so that traffic between the two has to be routed. Or turn off SM isolation. I leave SM isolation off because I'm not that paranoid. The biggest risk is broadcast/multicast crap flying around. So use the SM uplink broadcast/multicast rate limiting. This is one of the best features of Canopy, IMO. On 10/15/2014 2:23 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af wrote: We have a customer that has two SM's on the same AP at separate physical locations (home and office). The have a DVR at each location that they want to view. Everything is configured properly on their end to view the DVR's on port 80 through their routers. Problem is that we have SM isolation turned on with option 2 to forward packets upstream and they want to see the home when at the office and the office when at home. So I set up a mangle rule in my Mikortik to mark the packets with a routing mark based on the SRC and DST addresses, and then used a static route for anything what that mark and send it back to the AP port. It doesn't work, what am I doing wrong, any suggestions short of disabling SM isolation?
[AFMUG] Downtilt tool
We have upgraded a bunch of towers to ePMP (2.4) are finding we are going to really be more exacting with our downtilts to avoid spectrum overlap... more than we did with 100 series, because of the SNR requirements. I assume 2.4 450 would have similar requirements. So, I want to map out my down-tilt plans . Is there a good online tool for this? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool
Adam, That’s what I was thinking also. That would be handy From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool That's the method I've generally used. You can further calculate based on the vertical beamwidth where the outer edge of the -3db coverage circle would land, and where the inner edge would land. Then you can attempt to visualize it. I feel like somebody once linked to an online map tool that would show you a simple visualization of where your sector would cover. I can't think of who or when now. Trig? Tangent? How far out do you want to focus the main lobe? Take the tower height, divided by that distance (both in the same units) and do the arctan of that. So if the tower was 200 feet, and you want to target a spot 2 miles away, arctan(200/10560)=1 degree From: Paul McCall via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:13 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool We have upgraded a bunch of towers to ePMP (2.4) are finding we are going to really be more exacting with our downtilts to avoid spectrum overlap… more than we did with 100 series, because of the SNR requirements. I assume 2.4 450 would have similar requirements. So, I want to map out my down-tilt plans . Is there a good online tool for this? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
[AFMUG] FS: 6 month warranty - 2400SM P10s, 2450APs, LOTS of other stuff
** PLEASE REPLY OFFLIST We have 150 P10 2400SMs, recently pulled from working service from PDMNet's network - $ 75 each (minimum qty 10). OR best offer on the whole lot. We also have about 20 P10 2450APs (stock - integrated) and about 25 P10 2450APs - $ 350 each (minimum qty 3) OR best offer on the whole lot. 6 month warranty on all of PDMNet's used gear - buy with confidence! Also, we have about 20 or so L-COM 120 degree 2.4 Ghz sectors in OK condition, working, but sold AS-IS (non-DOA). $ 75 each (minimum qty 3) OR best offer on the whole lot. (4) 3630APC NEW in box - $ 1890 each !! - 6 month warranty Sale prices are good until 8/30/14 or current inventory is sold 4 NEW3630APCBC 3.65 320 series Access Point $ 1890 each OBO 1 NEW5480APC 5.4 Ghz 430 series Access Point $ 1350 each OBO 3 Used5780APC 5.7 Ghz 430 series Access Point $ 950 each OBO 1 NEW9000APDDF 900 Mhz P10 Access Point - Integrated with filter$ 685 each OBO 7 Used9000APCDD 900 Mhz P10 Access Point - Connectorized $ 285 each OBO 12Used9000APCBC 900 Mhz P9 Access Point - Connectorized $ 245 each OBO 100 Used9000SMCBC900 Mhz P9 Subscriber Modules - New Pigtail $ 45 each OBO 100 NEW5700SMG5.7Ghz P11 Subscriber Modules $65 each OBO 100 Used5700SMG5.7Ghz P11 Subscriber Modules $50 each OBO 6 NEW5750APDD 5.7Ghz P10 Access Point $ 445 each OBO 6 NEW5751APG 5.7Ghz P11 Access Point - AES Encryption $ 595 each OBO 2 NEW5750APG 5.7Ghz P11 Access Point - Connectorized $ 495 each OBO 7 NEW5750APBC 5.7Ghz P9 Access Point $ 225 each OBO 4 NEW5700BH20DD 5.7Ghz P10 20 Mbit Backhaul $ 300 each OBO 2 NEW5700BHC20G 5.7Ghz P11 20 Mbit Backhaul connectorized $ 300 each OBO 100 NEW5400SMDD 5.7Ghz P10 Subscriber Modules $65 each OBO 3 NEW5450APDD 5.4Ghz P10 Access Point $ 495 each OBO Not everything we have in surplus stock is listed here. If you are looking for something, please ask. We have it on the shelves. ** PLEASE REPLY OFFLIST Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
Jeremy, I am glad this worked out well for you financially. Most people have been very unhappy with the effect of this, and in then we ALL pay for any costs that are lowered, subsidized etc. Financially for this country as a whole, today and in the future, Obamacare is a disaster. There is NO free lunch system that doesn’t cost everyone the same money, plus bureaucratic and administration costs to get the results. It just doesn’t work that way. Insurance company profits are at an al- time high. TPA’s profits are at an all-time high. Glad I’m making decent money doing what I do … blessed and grateful Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare We pay about the same as we did but our deductible is lower, our out of pocket max is lower, and they covered our pregnancy. We switched during the first trimester because we didn't have maternity coverage (no self-insured plans in our state had it), and Obamacare made pregnancy not count as a pre-existing condition. It saved us about $7,000-$8,000 this year. The craziest part is that we actually stayed with the same provider, Select Health (IHC). It was just the difference between them providing maternity and not providing maternity. We have been very happy with our Obamacare. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Further the subsidies have been deemed unconstitutional, so they're forcing us to pay insurance with the promise of subsidies that they are now going to take away. Bait and switch. The whole thing has been a screwup from day one. It is actually cheaper for me to pay out of pocket than pay for this insurance, but the fines will get you either way. - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway via Afmailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare And so did the quality and options of your care. I know that 2 of my doctors retired early and the other one doesn’t take Obamacare. Fortunately I don’t have to use it. Here is my question though, doesn’t the fact that the federal government wasted a couple billion dollars of your taxes on websites that don’t work, companies that are paying workers to do nothing, and companies that are friends with the First Lady with no bid process in place? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 5:00 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Please don't forget that this whole obamacare thing was invented by the American Heratage Foundation which is a republican think tank. And the republicans tried to squash Hillarycare with it in the 1990's. Be careful what you ask for because you just might get it. Also, so far in the states that set up their own exchanges medical costs and premiums have been going down...mine sure did :) 2cents Sean On Wednesday, October 8, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Hi... I'm not sure exactly how this ObamaCare thing was supposed to save everyone money and provider better health care. We just received our group health insurance premium notice for the upcoming year, and our rates will go up by 10% starting 2015. On top of that, everyone is now paying a 3% ObamaCare tax on their personal income taxes. This doesn't really seem like much of a savings to me... :( Travis
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
+1 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 4:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare It can’t if it’s constantly chipped apart from the bottom up. Between continued growth of the welfare state, unchecked immigration and growth of an uneducated population, and lawlessness from the President on down, Capitalism won’t survive. Unfortunately, if it fails, then so does the country and as evidenced by the unchecked growth of evil philosophies such as radical Islam, dictatorships masquerading as Communism, and Communist countries with no moral or ethical foundation, complete anarchy worldwide. Capitalism funds and drives the United States to continue to be a leader in the world. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:58 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare While capitalism may have built the greatest country in the world, some think capitalism cannot sustain the greatest country in the world. Chris Wright Velociter Wirelesshttp://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:47 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bp On 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is *designed* to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada, for the record, is not privatized health care like the VHA. In fact it is the opposite. The Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from private entities, like Medicare. A fact yet to be discovered by the media in the USA. It is hard to understand why the Republican’s hate ObamaCare since it was mostly their idea. Well, other than ObamaCare was championed by Obama and I guess that is enough reason. The basic concept to use the free market and let industry to its thing is normally what Republican’s want. Not to mention its inherent ability to make more money for insurance companies and private industry. Sure, they are upset that it is being used as a wealth distribution system that makes people with money pay more and people without pay less. Ok, so that is two reasons they hate it. The mistake made, was not implementing a single payer system simultaneously with universal coverage. The CBO calculated the saving from the former would pay for the later resulting in no increase in out-of-pocket costs. Then the other benefits of such a privatized system would start to kick in and the open market competition for services will drive costs down. With health care general health would improve and costs would go down even more. Unfortunately the Government is dysfunctional and has zero chance of overcoming the trillions of dollars companies are making off of the
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
My personal went up 60% From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 12:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Only 10%?! I was talking to an insurance agent. He said that on the personal policies they didn't see anything less than a 200% increase for this year. If anyone believed that this was supposed to lower costs or actually provide better health care they should probably be looking for some bridges they can buy. I hear there are some really good deals out there! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:42 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Hi... I'm not sure exactly how this ObamaCare thing was supposed to save everyone money and provider better health care. We just received our group health insurance premium notice for the upcoming year, and our rates will go up by 10% starting 2015. On top of that, everyone is now paying a 3% ObamaCare tax on their personal income taxes. This doesn't really seem like much of a savings to me... :( Travis Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 0148f06ca51a-0f699681-0d5d-4311-927d-b071efffb090-000...@amazonses.comhttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2683552303domain=litewire.net Message Score: 2 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: High Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2683552303domain=litewire.net this sender / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2683552303domain=litewire.net this sender enterprise-wide Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2683552303domain=litewire.net amazonses.com / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2683552303domain=litewire.net amazonses.com enterprise-wide This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter level.
Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available!
Got it! Makes sense From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Cc: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available! If you turn Airmax off on your UBNT AP's you can slowly swap all CPE's to Epmp then change AP to Epmp that is what wifi mode is for — Sent from Mailboxhttps://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: What is the perceived application for the SM operating in standard WiFi mode ? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sriram Chaturvedi via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:09 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available! Folks, ePMP Beta software 2.3-RC10 is now available for download here: https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp System Release 2.3 adds the following features: • 5 MHz and 10 MHz channel bandwidth support o Max number of subscribers is limited to 30 for 5MHz and 60 for 10 MHz • SM Wi-Fi mode support (Only 20 MHz and 40 MHz channel bandwidths) o SM can operate in standard Wi-Fi mode • Broadcast Traffic Shaping (Limiting) o Ability to limit the number of broadcast packets per second • Multicast VLAN and Prioritization o Multicast VLAN support with prioritization o Ability to leave/join multicast groups and limit number of multicast groups to up to 5 groups o Support for IGMPv3 snooping • CLI access via ssh (default credentials: admin/admin) • Option to set SM Max Tx power manually Please post any feedback on the ePMP Beta Forum! http://epmpbeta.community.cambiumnetworks.com/ Thanks, Sriram
Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Sync and link speed on 310 foot run with ePMP APs
Forrest, I will see if I can get the guys to try that just for grins, before we swap to a CMM. They were pretty tired today. they were on the tower for 9 hours. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 5:15 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Sync and link speed on 310 foot run with ePMP APs I'd be curious if your experience was the same with say a cambium gigabit injector in there. Not quite Apples to apples but closer than a gigabit vs non gigabit injector. Midspan gigabit injectors definitely add some signal loss due to the Ethernet magnetics in the path. At least a couple dB. I've also noticed that certain surge suppressors are even more picky with the gigabit injectors. Not sure why. On Oct 7, 2014 2:30 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Just wanted to give a heads up on our experience with our first run at trying ePMPs at this distance of cable run. We mounted 4 5 Ghz and 4 2.4 Ghz ePMP APs today (a retrofit from 100 series APs). We have an existing CMM Micro that has been at the tower for 5 or 6 years. We needed more ports with Sync so we attempted to use a Gigabit Syncinjector for the additional ports we needed. We put the 2.4 Ghz radios on the CMM and put the 5 Ghz on the SyncInjector. The CMM and the “LAN facing” ports on the Syncinjector, powered by the same 5 AMP/24v power supply that we use for CTM’s, plugged into a 2011 Mikrotik router. The CMM works flawlessly, providing 100Mbit connections and sync . The SyncInjector… not so much. Initially, the symptoms were that 1 of the APs would only connect 10 Mbit and 1 different one would not get Sync.We tried swapping know good (successful on the CMM) cables, changing ports on the SyncInjector to make sure we didn’t have cable or AP related issues etc. Eventually, we lost ability to do Sync on any of the APs, and 2 of the 4 will only do 10 Mbit. Tried it with both 100Mbit and Gbit ports on the 2011, in auto or static Speed/Duplex configs. No go. The cables being used were both Best-Tronics and Toughcable Carrier. All the toughcables were premade to the 300 feet and tested inhouse at Gigabit speeds (TIK to TIK tests) Going to have to climb again tomorrow with a second CMM to swapout for the SyncInjector. We normally have very good luck with SyncInjectors but at 300 feet distance with the Gigabit models, we couldn’t make it work in this application. Cambium had “advised us” that there may be abnormal challenges with 300 ft. of cable on the ePMP. Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info
Did it From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis via Af Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 10:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info As some of you may already be aware, we are conducting some inquiries surrounding the 900 MHz band in order to properly address concerns in using this band, and help provide us the information needed to develop the product that you need to deliver service to your customers. The survey is just over 20 questions, and is located here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XNS38W6 Please help us help you! Any information we gather will help us to make sure we're developing the right product for your needs, and this info will not be used for any commercial or solicitation purposes. It's optional to fill in the contact info at the end, but I encourage you to do so, in case further exploration of a few of the responses could help even more. The survey will stay open for about 2 weeks, so try to get to it soon. Let me know if you have any questions or problems accessing the survey. Thanks, Matt Mangriotis Senior Product Manager Cambium Networks 3800 Golf Road, Suite 360 Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 www.cambiumnetworks.comhttp://www.cambiumnetworks.com O: 847-439-6379 M: 630-308-9394 E: m...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:m...@cambiumnetworks.com [CN_logo_horizontal_blueIcon_blackName]
Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
+1 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 11:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas Rack mount 24 port sync over power injector. Possibly with surge protection. On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list. With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux. We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of expecting a lot of revenue from them. A couple of these have appeared on the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules. So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm particularly looking for products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or even better at every customer location. I know these product ideas exist out there, and I'd love to hear them. Feel free to throw ideas out which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into. One final note - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber conversion, etc.. I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that desire. There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but there are many hurdles left to make it a reality. If there's a simplified version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us. So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run with them. -forrest
Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info
Or even 450 throughput From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 2:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info How about one wide channel that takes up the whole band. Then you could get 430 type of throughput. Be great for areas with 50 customers that can all be served from one AP. From: That One Guy via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 12:13 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info smaller channels, higher throughput ala UBNT, and unicorn farts On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Survey doneI'm going to address a question you didn't ask in the survey: There are two things I hate about 900mhz: First is the lower capacity, and a lot of the survey questions were pertinent to that. The second is there is a ton of interference and that makes it unreliable. I think it would be nice if a product could deliver higher capacity in 900mhz, but I also think it would be nice if we could get some rock solid IP connectivity without line of sight, even if it was at a low speed. I won't presume to tell Cambium how to do that, but maybe your next product could have an option for very small channels, or FHSS, or maybe tx and rx on different channels so I can avoid listening on a noisy channel at the tower but still transmit on it. I'd love to have more options in the toolbox to make a NLOS link keep on chugging along for telemetry, or remote desktop, or a single camera, or whatever. As some of you may already be aware, we are conducting some inquiries surrounding the 900 MHz band in order to properly address concerns in using this band, and help provide us the information needed to develop the product that you need to deliver service to your customers. The survey is just over 20 questions, and is located here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XNS38W6 Please help us help you! Any information we gather will help us to make sure we’re developing the right product for your needs, and this info will not be used for any commercial or solicitation purposes. It’s optional to fill in the contact info at the end, but I encourage you to do so, in case further exploration of a few of the responses could help even more. The survey will stay open for about 2 weeks, so try to get to it soon. Let me know if you have any questions or problems accessing the survey. Thanks, Matt Mangriotis Senior Product Manager Cambium Networks 3800 Golf Road, Suite 360 Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 www.cambiumnetworks.comhttp://www.cambiumnetworks.com O: 847-439-6379tel:847-439-6379 M: 630-308-9394tel:630-308-9394 E: m...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:m...@cambiumnetworks.com [CN_logo_horizontal_blueIcon_blackName] -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
[AFMUG] how to use (2) CMM Micro and one GPS antenna ??
I have to hook up a CMM to a tower that already has a CMM on it, like today. There is a timing 6 pin connector on the CMM. Can that be used to bridge the sync to the 2nd CMM? If so, how would that be wired, and what setting would I make in the CMM(s) so that it would know to use it Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] how to use (2) CMM Micro and one GPS antenna ??
And then it just magically works somehow? No definition of which one is slave and master etc. ? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 4:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to use (2) CMM Micro and one GPS antenna ?? IIRC, it needs to be a roll-over cable. Pin 1 to 6 and 2 to 3. 2 3 if you care about the GPS data, otherwise just 1 to 6 and 6 to 1. On 10/6/2014 3:48 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: I have to hook up a CMM to a tower that already has a CMM on it, like today.�� There is a �timing� 6 pin connector on the CMM.� Can that be used to bridge the sync to the 2nd CMM?� If so, how would that be wired, and what setting would I make in the CMM(s) so that it would know to use it � Paul � Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net �
Re: [AFMUG] how to use (2) CMM Micro and one GPS antenna ??
Thank you From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 5:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to use (2) CMM Micro and one GPS antenna ?? it's in the cmm3.0 manual on page 48 the cambium site. On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I have to hook up a CMM to a tower that already has a CMM on it, like today. There is a “timing” 6 pin connector on the CMM. Can that be used to bridge the sync to the 2nd CMM? If so, how would that be wired, and what setting would I make in the CMM(s) so that it would know to use it Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
Even a 12+4 would be great From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele via Af Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 9:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Cc: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas A sync injecter with 28 ports 24 sync injected ports + 4 POE ports for BH's that would keep things much cleaner at tower sites — Sent from Mailboxhttps://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: +1 to that. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 7:59 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas You know what I really need more than anything else? I need a DC-terminal POE pass-through for 8-16 devices, where I can toggle between UBNT 24v passive poe, 48-56v, and maybe 56V 1A per-port. Maybe two models, an 8 device and a 16 device model (16/32 ports). Also will want a rack-mount version with 24 devices (48 ports), so make that maybe 3 models. This way I can use whatever switch I want, yet still have full control over each device. It should be able to send syslog messages/traps, and that's pretty much it. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 10/05/2014 12:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list. With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux. We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of expecting a lot of revenue from them. A couple of these have appeared on the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules. So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm particularly looking for products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or even better at every customer location. I know these product ideas exist out there, and I'd love to hear them. Feel free to throw ideas out which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into. One final note - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber conversion, etc.. I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that desire. There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but there are many hurdles left to make it a reality. If there's a simplified version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us. So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run with them. -forrest
[AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?
We are thinking of raising our prices on our residential basic plan. Some of our customers have been on the same priced plan for 7 years (or more). Around $ 45 / month for up to 5Mbit/1Mbit. Probably 25% of those customers, we are the only good source for Internet. The rest have varying levels of DSL or cable options. Thinking of bumping those customers to $ 49. Maybe a little more, haven't decided. How do you handle price changes and/or on your customers on rolling contracts ? Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?
Very good input from all of you! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 4:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase? Everyone seems to expect our prices will go down, it’s the Internet after all, everything is supposed to get cheaper until it’s free, right? We haven’t raised prices in 10 years, and we are feeling some pressure to lower prices about 10%, I guess that’s from competition though and it sounds like you don’t have too much of that problem. JAB has people here expecting $40/$50/$60 for 5M/10M/15M speed. They do have an equipment fee and a support plan in the fine print though. One school of thought is you gotta have added fees, otherwise you just look more expensive in a comparison. (And people do compare prices, even if the other guys can’t get them service.) Another school of thought is, if you do a price increase, make it big enough you don’t have another one in a year. Although that never seems to stop the cable companies. Another school of thought is to make it look like you are giving them something for the price increase, that’s the game the cablecos play, more content. Not sure what you could give away though, if you are already at 5M and unlimited usage. I guess as long as you are saying “up to”, you could raise the number. From: Paul McCall via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 3:00 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase? We are thinking of raising our prices on our residential basic plan. Some of our customers have been on the same priced plan for 7 years (or more). Around $ 45 / month for “up to 5Mbit/1Mbit”. Probably 25% of those customers, we are the only “good” source for Internet. The rest have varying levels of DSL or cable options. Thinking of bumping those customers to $ 49. Maybe a little more, haven’t decided. How do you handle price changes and/or on your customers on “rolling contracts” ? Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?
We are overhauling ☺ some 450, mostly ePMP. Definitely, will give them a little more of something… either sustained or burst speed. Maybe free month to try a higher plan as well. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler via Af Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 5:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase? Yeah I wouldn't raise prices on a 900SM customer. Get ready to overhaul the network with faster options before charging more. But definitely charge more as opposed to going cheaper. Markets may vary... Jon On Oct 4, 2014, at 4:54 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Very good input from all of you! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 4:32 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase? Everyone seems to expect our prices will go down, it’s the Internet after all, everything is supposed to get cheaper until it’s free, right? We haven’t raised prices in 10 years, and we are feeling some pressure to lower prices about 10%, I guess that’s from competition though and it sounds like you don’t have too much of that problem. JAB has people here expecting $40/$50/$60 for 5M/10M/15M speed. They do have an equipment fee and a support plan in the fine print though. One school of thought is you gotta have added fees, otherwise you just look more expensive in a comparison. (And people do compare prices, even if the other guys can’t get them service.) Another school of thought is, if you do a price increase, make it big enough you don’t have another one in a year. Although that never seems to stop the cable companies. Another school of thought is to make it look like you are giving them something for the price increase, that’s the game the cablecos play, more content. Not sure what you could give away though, if you are already at 5M and unlimited usage. I guess as long as you are saying “up to”, you could raise the number. From: Paul McCall via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 3:00 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase? We are thinking of raising our prices on our residential basic plan. Some of our customers have been on the same priced plan for 7 years (or more). Around $ 45 / month for “up to 5Mbit/1Mbit”. Probably 25% of those customers, we are the only “good” source for Internet. The rest have varying levels of DSL or cable options. Thinking of bumping those customers to $ 49. Maybe a little more, haven’t decided. How do you handle price changes and/or on your customers on “rolling contracts” ? Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus
I think a couple of us has mentioned SimpleDNS – 2 minute install – just works ☺ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird via Af Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 9:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus Yeah. RHEL/CentOS backport security patches. To quote myself from a previous email in this thread: CentOS doesn't have the latest and greatest packages because it's upstream is RHEL. This is the nature of enterprise linux. They don't have major package revisions during the entire lifecycle of any given major version (ie, RHEL5/6/7) and they backport security fixes and patches. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I would disagree, didn’t Steve say the latest he updated to was 9.8.2? https://kb.isc.org/article/AA-00913/0/BIND-9-Security-Vulnerability-Matrix.html ISC shows 9.8.8 EOL as of September 2014, so 9.8.2 is quite a few versions old. With all the DNS amplification attacks and these zero day exploits coming out all the time, I’d want to be pretty current, plus I believe 9.10 gives you RRL in your toolbox to deal with attacks although I’ll admit I haven’t had time to experiment with it. From: Mike Hammett via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 6:10 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus The server based distributions like CentOS\RHEL and Debian generally are close to current regarding security updates even if they don't have the latest version. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 5:30:01 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus You need a named.conf that defines the slave zones and the IP address of the master. But first step is to download/compile/install the latest version of BIND, it’s actually quite easy. I doubt you can get the version you want via yum update because CentOS is based on RHEL which is always a few steps behind. Given the DNS attacks, you want the latest BIND. You might then want to lock out the package from being updated by yum. From: That One Guy via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 4:36 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus So Im at a new Centos with webmin fresh bind install. We have one master, one slave server I have never set up bind, this was done before me. If I were to take down the old slave server and bring this one up on its IP will the master update this one, or is there a config I need to move over. Im more comfotable doing the slave first. These are all webmin, but the original is ubuntu and the new is centos On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Paul Stewart via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I always install CentOS bare bones …. “minimal server” is what the installation will call it. This way you can install whatever you like after installation and not worry about removing many dozen packages you don’t need… Just my preference anyways…. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 2:24 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus 2 questions in this 1. when running through the current centos installation, what do i select for the server type, for powercode it says select basic server 2. is there a guide for building dedicated centos servers based on server purpose? I assume there are packages I dont need to install if its only got this purpose On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Paul Stewart via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: CentOS+BIND+Webmin ☺ I can’t remember but Usermin might be the part you’re looking for specific to users updating their own DNS….. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 1:21 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus Is there a good, simple package for locally hosted DNS Servers for people like me who dont want to get too far into managing the linux at a granular level? we are used to the webmin interface. It would be nice if it had the option to set up client accounts for some clients to manage their own DNS but not view others, but thats in no way a deal breaker -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go
Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus
One time cost From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 11:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus simpleDNS looks cheap. Is that a one time cost or do they do something recurring like annual renewals? My predecessor had our DNS setup on SimpleDNS. I have never changed it because it really just always works. I have not had a SINGLE issue with it. Easy GUI. Simple. I will be moving to linux when I get a good VM server going but I am very impressed with SimpleDNS. -Ty On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I think a couple of us has mentioned SimpleDNS – 2 minute install – just works ☺ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird via Af Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 9:47 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus Yeah. RHEL/CentOS backport security patches. To quote myself from a previous email in this thread: CentOS doesn't have the latest and greatest packages because it's upstream is RHEL. This is the nature of enterprise linux. They don't have major package revisions during the entire lifecycle of any given major version (ie, RHEL5/6/7) and they backport security fixes and patches. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I would disagree, didn’t Steve say the latest he updated to was 9.8.2? https://kb.isc.org/article/AA-00913/0/BIND-9-Security-Vulnerability-Matrix.html ISC shows 9.8.8 EOL as of September 2014, so 9.8.2 is quite a few versions old. With all the DNS amplification attacks and these zero day exploits coming out all the time, I’d want to be pretty current, plus I believe 9.10 gives you RRL in your toolbox to deal with attacks although I’ll admit I haven’t had time to experiment with it. From: Mike Hammett via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 6:10 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus The server based distributions like CentOS\RHEL and Debian generally are close to current regarding security updates even if they don't have the latest version. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 5:30:01 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus You need a named.conf that defines the slave zones and the IP address of the master. But first step is to download/compile/install the latest version of BIND, it’s actually quite easy. I doubt you can get the version you want via yum update because CentOS is based on RHEL which is always a few steps behind. Given the DNS attacks, you want the latest BIND. You might then want to lock out the package from being updated by yum. From: That One Guy via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 4:36 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus So Im at a new Centos with webmin fresh bind install. We have one master, one slave server I have never set up bind, this was done before me. If I were to take down the old slave server and bring this one up on its IP will the master update this one, or is there a config I need to move over. Im more comfotable doing the slave first. These are all webmin, but the original is ubuntu and the new is centos On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Paul Stewart via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I always install CentOS bare bones …. “minimal server” is what the installation will call it. This way you can install whatever you like after installation and not worry about removing many dozen packages you don’t need… Just my preference anyways…. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 2:24 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus 2 questions in this 1. when running through the current centos installation, what do i select for the server type, for powercode it says select basic server 2. is there a guide for building dedicated centos servers based on server purpose? I assume there are packages I dont need to install if its only got this purpose On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Paul Stewart via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: CentOS+BIND+Webmin ☺ I can’t remember but Usermin might be the part you’re looking for specific to users updating their own DNS….. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 1:21 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af
Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 in 5.1 - 5.3 ???
Rory, Can you define better filtering from a practical perspective? What frequency have you compared, 450 to ePMP? With interference or something? The reason I ask that is we are taking down 2.4 PMP100 and replacing a lot of those with ePMP, which is working well except where we have a 2.4 competitor, which has proved most challenging. Is there anybody that has tried both ePMP in 2.4 and 450 in 2.4 side by side (not at the same time of course) in that type of interference environment and found that ePMP performed worse ? Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 in 5.1 - 5.3 ??? The PMP450 has far better filtering than the ePMP. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:55 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 in 5.1 - 5.3 ??? Maybe the PMP450 is more kosher? bp On 10/2/2014 8:46 AM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: How they managed to do it in the Epmp and PTP650 while not in the PMP450 baffles me�. Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 10/2/14, 11:25 AM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I believe a second HW model is planned for 4.9 � 5.3, different filtering. Just what we needed, another part number to find room for in the service vehicles. Too bad they could not have done this on same hardware. From: Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 4:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] PMP450 in 5.1 - 5.3 ??? Are there any plans for this? Is the HW capable? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus
SimpleDNS works great - 5+ years no issues -- SIMPLE From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 1:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus BIND is your friend. i'd also set iptables to only allow queries from your network. On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:20 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Is there a good, simple package for locally hosted DNS Servers for people like me who dont want to get too far into managing the linux at a granular level? we are used to the webmin interface. It would be nice if it had the option to set up client accounts for some clients to manage their own DNS but not view others, but thats in no way a deal breaker -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
In the header, yes, it will show the actual sender for the From line From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 10:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered Sounds good, will this show the sender of each email in the from line, or is that a separate matter entirely? On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Guys, As some of you are aware, PDMNet’s behind the scenes management of the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an Amazon server. Some very good things have come from that decision so far… no mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our knowledge). The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly complex at first blush. A lot more time went to getting this setup that we anticipated, but that’s life. It costs a little more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it. One of the differences is the way the headers are handled. Out of the box, Amazon required us to “munge” the headers in such a way that we could customize them to meet Amazon’s strict mass-emailing rules. This causes some differences in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of threading than most of us, some grief. We are way PAST the discussion about what is “right” etc. Respectfully, lets move on from that “debate”. The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email header fashion is to use their API. We knew this was an option when we brought the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve. And, indeed it was! We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test Mailman list internally. Basically the API allows us / requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address. S…. In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the list. We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an authenticated user for the list. Assuming that we haven’t overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window. All in favor ? All opposed? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
[AFMUG] Legal FCC document about deed restrictions and antennas
A couple years ago (like maybe 2010??) , the FCC issued a clarifying document about the rights of a homeowner vs. the rights of a deed restricted area. Something to the effect of it's legal to enact guidelines for visual esthetic reasons at a property, such as shielding from view from the street whenever possible, etc. but if the homeowner has to have a small dish on their roof because there is no other way, then they have the right to do so It was a clarifying document to the original telco act of 1996. I had it stored locally, but cant find it anymore :( ?? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Legal FCC document about deed restrictions and antennas
Yeah, that's it From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Hardy, Tim via Af Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:11 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legal FCC document about deed restrictions and antennas OTARD? http://www.fcc.gov/guides/over-air-reception-devices-rule From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:08 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Legal FCC document about deed restrictions and antennas A couple years ago (like maybe 2010??) , the FCC issued a clarifying document about the rights of a homeowner vs. the rights of a deed restricted area. Something to the effect of it's legal to enact guidelines for visual esthetic reasons at a property, such as shielding from view from the street whenever possible, etc. but if the homeowner has to have a small dish on their roof because there is no other way, then they have the right to do so It was a clarifying document to the original telco act of 1996. I had it stored locally, but cant find it anymore :( ?? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Wireless Scan
Wireless, Monitor should show you that. Tools, eDetect will show you the signal strength of anything on the channel by MAC only. Might help you get close… ePMP MACs start with 00:04. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:29 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP Wireless Scan Is there any way for an ePMP radio to scan the air and tell you what SSIDs it sees? I'm trying to align two backhauls that when pointed roughly the same direction... can't see each other. I don't want to just move it slightly and wait for the web interface to show it connected... or not. I want to run a scan, see it complete and tell me what it found. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
[AFMUG] Powering a PTP250
Is there an easy way to power up (and run) a PTP250 other than the built in power supply ? I don't mind getting creative if need be. Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
Just reply to the authentication request... that's all From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered What will we need to do? Unsubscribe/resubscribe or just reply to the authentication(s)? bp On 9/29/2014 6:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: Guys, As some of you are aware, PDMNet's behind the scenes management of the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an Amazon server. Some very good things have come from that decision so far... no mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our knowledge). The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly complex at first blush. A lot more time went to getting this setup that we anticipated, but that's life. It costs a little more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it. One of the differences is the way the headers are handled. Out of the box, Amazon required us to munge the headers in such a way that we could customize them to meet Amazon's strict mass-emailing rules. This causes some differences in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of threading than most of us, some grief. We are way PAST the discussion about what is right etc. Respectfully, lets move on from that debate. The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email header fashion is to use their API. We knew this was an option when we brought the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve. And, indeed it was! We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test Mailman list internally. Basically the API allows us / requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address. S In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the list. We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an authenticated user for the list. Assuming that we haven't overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window. All in favor ? All opposed? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
Of course, your mail client, SPAM filter, may put the request in a folder... Gmail seems to pick some random other folder to put the request in... indiscriminately From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered What will we need to do? Unsubscribe/resubscribe or just reply to the authentication(s)? bp On 9/29/2014 6:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: Guys, As some of you are aware, PDMNet's behind the scenes management of the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an Amazon server. Some very good things have come from that decision so far... no mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our knowledge). The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly complex at first blush. A lot more time went to getting this setup that we anticipated, but that's life. It costs a little more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it. One of the differences is the way the headers are handled. Out of the box, Amazon required us to munge the headers in such a way that we could customize them to meet Amazon's strict mass-emailing rules. This causes some differences in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of threading than most of us, some grief. We are way PAST the discussion about what is right etc. Respectfully, lets move on from that debate. The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email header fashion is to use their API. We knew this was an option when we brought the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve. And, indeed it was! We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test Mailman list internally. Basically the API allows us / requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address. S In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the list. We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an authenticated user for the list. Assuming that we haven't overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window. All in favor ? All opposed? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
Only if you’re doing it right ! ☺ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered will my leg hurt when its over On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Of course, your mail client, SPAM filter, may put the request in a folder… Gmail seems to pick some random other folder to put the request in… indiscriminately From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered What will we need to do? Unsubscribe/resubscribe or just reply to the authentication(s)? bp On 9/29/2014 6:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: Guys, As some of you are aware, PDMNet’s behind the scenes management of the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an Amazon server. Some very good things have come from that decision so far… no mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our knowledge). The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly complex at first blush. A lot more time went to getting this setup that we anticipated, but that’s life. It costs a little more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it. One of the differences is the way the headers are handled. Out of the box, Amazon required us to “munge” the headers in such a way that we could customize them to meet Amazon’s strict mass-emailing rules. This causes some differences in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of threading than most of us, some grief. We are way PAST the discussion about what is “right” etc. Respectfully, lets move on from that “debate”. The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email header fashion is to use their API. We knew this was an option when we brought the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve. And, indeed it was! We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test Mailman list internally. Basically the API allows us / requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address. S…. In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the list. We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an authenticated user for the list. Assuming that we haven’t overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window. All in favor ? All opposed? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM
Ken, If that part was damaged (and then removed on purpose) there could be damage to the Ethernet Transceiver itself or a few of the other parts that support the transceiver. Obviously, send it back. For grins, you might try setting your computer interface to 10Mbit just to see what it does Paul From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 12:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM Could be, but it looks like it was cleanly desoldered. Seeing up close is not one of my superpowers though, not for quite awhile now. I was just trying to configure it at the office. Ethernet bounces up and down, and LEDs don’t seem to go through the regular sequence. I did once get into it at 192.168.1.1 which is strange because it was supposed to be defaulted, NAT was enabled. Strange. From: Paul McCall via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:36 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM Could be that when the part came off, a trace went with it From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:07 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM So the missing part doesn’t explain why it doesn’t work. It came with a guarantee, so I’ll send it back to the seller. From: Paul McCall via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:47 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM Gerard is correct. An SM will function without it, though it makes the Ethernet less than protected from basic transient surges (even little ones). I would suggest replacing it From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gerard Dupont III via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:28 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM It's a Transient Voltage Suppressor. I haven't tested others, but I know 100 will function just fine without it. In a pinch I remove them to fix ethernet errors. I think this is the right part number if you wanted to replace it. RCLAMP0504FCT Gerard On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Anybody know what that little 6-leaded SMD is between the RJ45 jack and the Ethernet transformer on the PCB of a Canopy SM? We bought a used SM that doesn't work (it lights up and seems to be trying) and that part is missing. I don't think it's optional. But is its absence causing the problems? Or just an indication that a tech didn't finish repairing it and mistakenly marked it as tested and good? If it's a surge protection component, it seems too small to do much good.
Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun
Thanks Chuck! That’s really cool that you used to play also. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 12:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun That was awesome. I am envious. From: Paul McCall via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 7:30 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun OK, that didn’t work… I should complain to the list sysop ! ☺ Will send it your wbmfg address. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:28 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun For you Chuck... attempting to attach an .m4a file for you From: Af [af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] on behalf of Jeremy Grip via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:06 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun MF! MF! MF! (never heard him live, alas)……….. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47uuEYv-C7o From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:26 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun I am talking about two octaves above the C on the staff. Is that what you are talking about? Cause that is pretty danged high. Three full octaves above the C below the staff. If so, impressive indeed. I was only reliable over two octaves. I have also heard Maynard Ferguson in concert. From: Paul McCall via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:30 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Double C’s are part of my daily warm-up Chuck. But, there are some guys that are just amazing… Doc being on my short list of trumpet players in that list… Maynard Ferguson and Harry James are the other biggies. Glad that you got to hear Doc ! From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:38 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Yes? Made my lips bleed in empathy. I only hit a double high C scale one time in my life. From: Jeremy Grip via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:50 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Still hittin’ double-high C’s?? ( Sorry--old trumpet player here). Jeremy Grip From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 7:21 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Yep. Hope you hear him play McArthurs Park.He is close to 90 by now Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 4:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Probably. Wasn't he the band master for Johny Carson? bp On 9/26/2014 2:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: He has to be near 90. He still plays the trumpet? Or is he a bandleader? From: Jaime Solorza via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:32 PM To: Animal Farmmailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Damn. Thats awesome.Heard he joined Ides of March on Vehicle last year If u can take some pics. Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 12:09 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Going to see Doc Severinsen play tonight. Anybody gonna top that!
Re: [AFMUG] standard 900 MHz Canopy channels
Ken, We run 906, 915, 924 on all towers except one. That one has 924 plastered with signal all around it, for 7 years like that. On that tower, we do run 906, 914, 922 and it has been running that way since 2007 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] standard 900 MHz Canopy channels I have always assumed the standard channels are 906, 915 and 924. But I keep getting competitors going on 906 and 922. I understand they are probably trying to avoid high power licensed stuff like paging around 930. But if I go on 915, I find it overlaps with 922 and bad juju ensues. Especially when this is a newcomer and they have no subs yet and don't match your timing and don't care because ... they don't have subs yet and aren't suffering the effects of the interference. I have found that a hot interferer on 922 will pretty much blow you off the air if you try to use 915, unless the timing parameters match, even though that's only 1 MHz of overlap. So are the default channels actually 906, 914 and 922 in the real world?
Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun
Double C’s are part of my daily warm-up Chuck. But, there are some guys that are just amazing… Doc being on my short list of trumpet players in that list… Maynard Ferguson and Harry James are the other biggies. Glad that you got to hear Doc ! From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Yes? Made my lips bleed in empathy. I only hit a double high C scale one time in my life. From: Jeremy Grip via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:50 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Still hittin’ double-high C’s?? ( Sorry--old trumpet player here). Jeremy Grip From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 7:21 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Yep. Hope you hear him play McArthurs Park.He is close to 90 by now Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 4:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Probably. Wasn't he the band master for Johny Carson? bp On 9/26/2014 2:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: He has to be near 90. He still plays the trumpet? Or is he a bandleader? From: Jaime Solorza via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:32 PM To: Animal Farmmailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Damn. Thats awesome.Heard he joined Ides of March on Vehicle last year If u can take some pics. Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 12:09 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Going to see Doc Severinsen play tonight. Anybody gonna top that!
Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun
Yes, that one… I just did my warmups for tonight and recorded it for you on my Mac with Quicktime, but I don’t think the MIME attachment type allows for attachments to the list. If not, I will send it to your personal I will try that later … headed out the door for the gig! From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun I am talking about two octaves above the C on the staff. Is that what you are talking about? Cause that is pretty danged high. Three full octaves above the C below the staff. If so, impressive indeed. I was only reliable over two octaves. I have also heard Maynard Ferguson in concert. From: Paul McCall via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:30 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Double C’s are part of my daily warm-up Chuck. But, there are some guys that are just amazing… Doc being on my short list of trumpet players in that list… Maynard Ferguson and Harry James are the other biggies. Glad that you got to hear Doc ! From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:38 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Yes? Made my lips bleed in empathy. I only hit a double high C scale one time in my life. From: Jeremy Grip via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:50 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Still hittin’ double-high C’s?? ( Sorry--old trumpet player here). Jeremy Grip From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 7:21 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Yep. Hope you hear him play McArthurs Park.He is close to 90 by now Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 4:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Probably. Wasn't he the band master for Johny Carson? bp On 9/26/2014 2:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: He has to be near 90. He still plays the trumpet? Or is he a bandleader? From: Jaime Solorza via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:32 PM To: Animal Farmmailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Damn. Thats awesome.Heard he joined Ides of March on Vehicle last year If u can take some pics. Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 12:09 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Going to see Doc Severinsen play tonight. Anybody gonna top that!
Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 in 3.55?
I would say that is likely Jeremy. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Grip via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] PMP450 in 3.55? I notice looking at PMP450 specs that there are two separate units in 3GHz, one for 3300-3600 and one for 3550-3800. Does that mean we’re liable to be able to utilize the lower 100 when (if?) we get shared 3550-3650 on that platform? They’d be able to implement robust compliant DFS on it—it’s an SDR, right? Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks, LLC
Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun
For you Chuck... attempting to attach an .m4a file for you From: Af [af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] on behalf of Jeremy Grip via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:06 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun MF! MF! MF! (never heard him live, alas)……….. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47uuEYv-C7o From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun I am talking about two octaves above the C on the staff. Is that what you are talking about? Cause that is pretty danged high. Three full octaves above the C below the staff. If so, impressive indeed. I was only reliable over two octaves. I have also heard Maynard Ferguson in concert. From: Paul McCall via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:30 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Double C’s are part of my daily warm-up Chuck. But, there are some guys that are just amazing… Doc being on my short list of trumpet players in that list… Maynard Ferguson and Harry James are the other biggies. Glad that you got to hear Doc ! From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:38 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Yes? Made my lips bleed in empathy. I only hit a double high C scale one time in my life. From: Jeremy Grip via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:50 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Still hittin’ double-high C’s?? ( Sorry--old trumpet player here). Jeremy Grip From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 7:21 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Yep. Hope you hear him play McArthurs Park.He is close to 90 by now Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 4:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Probably. Wasn't he the band master for Johny Carson? bp On 9/26/2014 2:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: He has to be near 90. He still plays the trumpet? Or is he a bandleader? From: Jaime Solorza via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:32 PM To: Animal Farmmailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Damn. Thats awesome.Heard he joined Ides of March on Vehicle last year If u can take some pics. Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 12:09 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Going to see Doc Severinsen play tonight. Anybody gonna top that!
Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM
Gerard is correct. An SM will function without it, though it makes the Ethernet less than protected from basic transient surges (even little ones). I would suggest replacing it From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gerard Dupont III via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM It's a Transient Voltage Suppressor. I haven't tested others, but I know 100 will function just fine without it. In a pinch I remove them to fix ethernet errors. I think this is the right part number if you wanted to replace it. RCLAMP0504FCT Gerard On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Anybody know what that little 6-leaded SMD is between the RJ45 jack and the Ethernet transformer on the PCB of a Canopy SM? We bought a used SM that doesn't work (it lights up and seems to be trying) and that part is missing. I don't think it's optional. But is its absence causing the problems? Or just an indication that a tech didn't finish repairing it and mistakenly marked it as tested and good? If it's a surge protection component, it seems too small to do much good.
Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM
Could be that when the part came off, a trace went with it From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM So the missing part doesn’t explain why it doesn’t work. It came with a guarantee, so I’ll send it back to the seller. From: Paul McCall via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:47 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM Gerard is correct. An SM will function without it, though it makes the Ethernet less than protected from basic transient surges (even little ones). I would suggest replacing it From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gerard Dupont III via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:28 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM It's a Transient Voltage Suppressor. I haven't tested others, but I know 100 will function just fine without it. In a pinch I remove them to fix ethernet errors. I think this is the right part number if you wanted to replace it. RCLAMP0504FCT Gerard On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Anybody know what that little 6-leaded SMD is between the RJ45 jack and the Ethernet transformer on the PCB of a Canopy SM? We bought a used SM that doesn't work (it lights up and seems to be trying) and that part is missing. I don't think it's optional. But is its absence causing the problems? Or just an indication that a tech didn't finish repairing it and mistakenly marked it as tested and good? If it's a surge protection component, it seems too small to do much good.
Re: [AFMUG] Standoff question, rule of thumb, etc.
Yeah, my question was just about the stand-offs only From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 2:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Standoff question, rule of thumb, etc. have at least 3 ft of vertical separation between each radio on the same frequency Notice they are saying vertical here.. standoffs are not involved.. They are trying to ensure that one radio in RX mode does not see the TX energy of the other radio.. if they are sync'd these rules should not be necessary.. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.comhttp://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.commailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun
I met Doc a couple years ago at a music conference He still plays regularly, has a beautiful, much younger wife and is still quite the character ! [https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t31.0-8/p417x417/471835_3947161194611_1355780645_o.jpg] From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 6:14 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Probably. Wasn't he the band master for Johny Carson? bp On 9/26/2014 2:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: He has to be near 90. He still plays the trumpet? Or is he a bandleader? From: Jaime Solorza via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:32 PM To: Animal Farmmailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Damn. Thats awesome.Heard he joined Ides of March on Vehicle last year If u can take some pics. Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 12:09 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Going to see Doc Severinsen play tonight. Anybody gonna top that!
[AFMUG] Standoff question, rule of thumb, etc.
Over the years we have employed different philosophies on mounting sectors to towers. Our reference point was the Moto 100 series connectorized radios with sectors. We started out with 18 standoffs on a Rohn 25G tower, because some smart guy suggested that was what we needed. Another smart guy suggested 24, so some of them were done like that. Then, someone else suggested that we really didn't need standoffs at all, that they could be mounted each on a leg of the tower and we would be fine. (we always ran 3 120 sector/AP configuration per tower in 2.4 Ghz). As far as difference that we could measure, we found no difference in AP to SM performance when we measured at any distance of connection. Maybe we were missing something, but anyway, we settled on mounting them directly on the tower leg. Moving forward to today. We have been installing the ePMP 2.4 series instead of 100 series 2.4s.The installation techs mounted them back to back, with North/South on one frequency (Front/Back Frequency Reuse configuration) and East/West on the other frequency. One of the 4 sectors had to have a custom mounting bar made to replace the short stubby one that comes with the sector, thus allowing the 2 sectors (North and East at 90 degree offset) to be put on one leg right near each other. Again, this is Frequency Re-use a bit of a different scenario. Anyway, today in working with Cambium, they told us we need to have at least 3 ft of vertical separation between each radio on the same frequency, so North and East could be at one level (dif. Frequencies) and South and West would be vertically separated. Alrighty then :) . so we have 6 towers to go move things around on. We are going to some test tomorrow on the first tower to see exactly how much separation yields us how much F/B isolation. Using ePMP eDetect feature, that should be pretty easy to see. OKso here is where I want opinions. Really I'd like expert advice, but I will settle for opinions :) How far should these sectors be stood off from the tower, if at all? I am not expecting to be able to measure any difference with the F/B ratio data, so its back to this is all theory.Is the standoff question a front to back issue at all, or a we want the metal sector away from the metal tower a little bit? Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Not bad for a 24 mile ptmp link
We had one like that Craig. 26.9 miles - 5700BH20 - started with P8s in 2003. later upgraded to P10s on 2011, recently upgrade to something else. It was at 310 ft at one end and 260 ft at the other. VERY strong link... -62 and never any problems. Oh, the good ol' days -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Not bad for a 24 mile ptmp link -56 23 plus miles Been this way for 7 years. Never even touched it.
Re: [AFMUG] routing to/from 169.254.0.0
Yeah, I love all the Mikrotik “tricks” to accomplish these type things, but sometimes I struggle at always being successful. In this case, telneting directly from the tik takes about one minute (OK, two if you take your time) and then you are done From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] routing to/from 169.254.0.0 When you're accessing an IP address on another subnet and the gateway isn't properly set, you need to use SRCNAT and DSTNAT. Someone earlier said to set the 169.254.x.x IP on the MT and to then telnet from the MT. That's the least complicated way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:13:44 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] routing to/from 169.254.0.0 For some reason, that's not working either. Got the PTP650 on ether9 on the MT. Ether9 gets IP 169.254.1.3/16. I created a reachable address on the local interface (192.168.222.199). Then I added the dst-nat: /ip firewall nat add chain=dstnat action=dst-nat dst-address=192.168.222.199 to-address=169.254.1.1 I ping the 192.168.222.199 address from a PC on the local network, but nothing happens. Torching the port on the MT shows nothing happening on any IP on that port (except discovery). bp On 9/23/2014 10:18 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: OMG Bill. You *have* to learn how to DST-NAT. Great for programming Canopy radios and best get-me-out-of-this-jam rescue trick EVVVER. Access any device on any MT router anywhere—even when not routable. No VPN required. No need for Telnet tunneling. First put the SM on a MT interface and assign 169.254.1.2/16 Two variants to pick from: Add a new [reachable_address] on the MT that you don't need for anything else then: /ip fire nat add chain=dstnat action=dst-nat dst-address=[reachable_address] to-address=169.254.1.1 Then http://[reachable_address] to get to the SM Or use an existing MT address and map from an unused port like this: /ip fire nat add chain=dstnat action=dst-nat dst-address=[reachable_address] dst-port=8169 to-address=169.254.1.1 to-port=80 Then http://[reachable_address]:8169 to get to the SM PC Blaze Broadband -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+pconlin=blazebroadband@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 12:44 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] routing to/from 169.254.0.0 I think netmap will do what I need. I think I can netmap the 169.254.1.1 IP address to an unused IP on my local network. Not sure how netmap actually works, but I'll give it a rip. bp On 9/23/2014 9:11 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Doesn't work if I change the MT address to 169.254.1.3/24 either. Packets go out, but don't come back. bp On 9/23/2014 9:05 AM, Larry Smith via Af wrote: On Tue September 23 2014 10:58, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Is there a way to route to/from a Cambium radio that is on the default IP (169.254.1.1) through a Mikrotik? I think the issue is that the default configuration does not have a gateway. So it doesn't know the way back. I put the interface on the MT on 169.254.1.3/16, but don't get replies unless I go directly from the MT. Believe the Cambium default is 169.254.1.1/24 (255.255.255.0 netmask) and your /16 (255.255.0.0) is broadcasting on the wrong address for the radio to see you.
Re: [AFMUG] TVWS Alive or Dead? Was: Re: Dear Cambium
AP cost ? -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 8:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TVWS Alive or Dead? Was: Re: Dear Cambium I think its 350 each + Antenna. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/20/2014 05:23 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote: What is the CPE cost on the Runcom gear? On Saturday, September 20, 2014, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: You don't need WiMAX/LTE voodoo for TVWS. Sure there are some advantages but there are also disadvantages. What you do need is a tight enough spectral mask and the TX power. Runcom already had a WiMAX product that operated from 700mhz to 5ghz built on an SDR designed to use 5mhz or 6mhz channels and supported channel bonding. They were able to modify their existing product to work within TVWS frequencies. Using 5mhz channels (or 10mhz for channel bonding) they were able to meet the spectral mask requirements for TVWS. Their product already had a call home feature for a central management system. I wouldn't be surprised if they leveraged most of that design to work with the database. They didn't have to bring an entirely new product to market. One of the other major consideration is TX power. Fixed stations can transmit 30dbm and have a 6db antenna (36db EIRP). There isn't a lot of antenna gain available without getting very large. So radios need to have very high TX power built in. If Cambium were to build a 450 product they would need to reevaluate their stance on TX power. I would want to see a radio with at least 28db of TX power available. 900mhz, even in clean spectrum, still doesn't provide the coverage a lot of this county needs to reach the rural areas. TVWS can go as low as 470mhz. Even the upper channels around 600mhz have significantly more foliage penetration than that of 900mhz. I would like to see a DSSS product whereby an AP can TX on two or four combined channels and RX on a different single channel. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/20/2014 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I’m not sure why TVWS has to be based on WiMAX or LTE. Seems to me you need 4 things: - comply with the spectral mask including guardbands - work with the spectrum database - bond non-adjacent 6 MHz channels (preferably more than 2) - connectorized for an external antenna It will be interesting how close the FCC rules for 3550-3650 follow TVWS. If they are similar, and Cambium modifies their 3650 version of PMP450, that might be the critical mass for them to look at a TVWS version. That assumes they could meet the spectrum mask and do channel bonding. I don’t think there’s any obvious reason to an outsider why that would not be possible. I know, you’re going to say that you need the WiMAX/LTE voodoo. But do you? If you are just trying to go through trees, and you can operate at a frequency where the trees become translucent to RF, isn’t that enough voodoo? We’re not trying to do mobile voice+data with call handoffs and multipath from urban clutter. Let’s face it, if 900 MHz had enough spectrum for wider channels and wasn’t all polluted from FHSS mesh stuff like smartgrid, it would be fine without any magical supersauce from the cellular world. Maybe I’m wrong about the spectral mask, if the adjacent channel interference requirement is too tight to meet with DSP techniques alone. But with an SDR platform you’d certainly have an advantage over trying to do it with a WiFi chipset. Maybe Ubiquiti’s airPrism technology is an attempt to move in that direction, although that seems to be on the rcv side. *From:* Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 20, 2014 2:11 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] TVWS Alive or Dead? Was: Re: Dear Cambium It's not great, but not as bad as you think. Only the NE most portion of your network doesn't have at least two channels available. That's all Runcom needs. It's not significantly more expensive than the PMP platform and delivers more (throughput and range) than PMP in 900. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
