subject:"\[AFMUG\] \[OT\: Off the wall discussion\]"

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-23 Thread Ken Hohhof

Weekend's over, how about a sprinkling of on-topic posts so I can stop just
doing mass deletes?

If you want people to keep combing through the used straw, there has to
occasionally be a pony in there.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 7:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I don't know many many people in their 80's or 90's that are very
overweight.

Gino Villarini wrote:
> New studies suggest that eating less is the key for longer life
>
> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hunger-gains-a-new-idea-of-
> why-eating-less-increases-life-span/
>
>
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on 
> behalf of Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com 
> <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Date: Sunday, January 22, 2017 at 8:49 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com 
> <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>
> *//*
>
> */Gino Villarini/*
>
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas 
> for a year and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped 
> was a <1000 cal diet.
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>
> You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is 
> indicating that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome.
> That and there is an indication that artificial sweeteners also have 
> the opposite of the intended effect (they contribute to weight gain).
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion] There are 
>> interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, sugar 
>> addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.
>> On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
>> Not so good at solving arguments.
>> *From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>> I completely agree with this.
>>
>> You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you
>> want to happen.
>>
>> For me, Iï¿½m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant
>> based diet with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>> You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.
>>
>> I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.
>>
>> Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate
>> quantities.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>
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ngSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-so
lutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
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>>
>>
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>>
>> 
>> -
>> ---
>>
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>> Recent studies say otherwise. A myth promulgated by Special K.
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-23 Thread Jay Weekley

I don't know many many people in their 80's or 90's that are very 
overweight.


Gino Villarini wrote:

New studies suggest that eating less is the key for longer life

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hunger-gains-a-new-idea-of-why-eating-less-increases-life-span/


From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on 
behalf of Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com 
<mailto:af@afmug.com>>

Date: Sunday, January 22, 2017 at 8:49 PM
To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com 
<mailto:af@afmug.com>>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

*//*

*/Gino Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas 
for a year and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped 
was a <1000 cal diet.

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is 
indicating that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. 
That and there is an indication that artificial sweeteners also have 
the opposite of the intended effect (they contribute to weight gain).


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.
*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, 
sugar addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.

On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
Not so good at solving arguments.
*From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
    *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I completely agree with this.

You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you
want to happen.

For me, Iï¿½m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant
based diet with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate
quantities.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

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----------------

*From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

    Recent studies say otherwise. A myth promulgated by Special K.

*From:*Mike Hammett

*Sent:*Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.



-
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*From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-23 Thread Gino Villarini

New studies suggest that eating less is the key for longer life

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hunger-gains-a-new-idea-of-why-eating-less-increases-life-span/

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Sunday, January 22, 2017 at 8:49 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Gino Villarini

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas for a year 
and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped was a <1000 cal diet.

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is indicating that 
artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. That and there is an 
indication that artificial sweeteners also have the opposite of the intended 
effect (they contribute to weight gain).

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, sugar 
addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.

On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
Not so good at solving arguments.

From: Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I completely agree with this.
You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you want to happen.

For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based diet with 
the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate quantities.

-
Mike Hammett
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From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.

From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.

-
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Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

iotics problems will go away
> >> with lab grown meat. It is going to allow flavor and fat replication,
> >> 99% less land use, 80% less emissions, only 30% of the overall energy
> >> requirements (fuel, heat, etc), less pesticide usage (have to feed
> >> those animals), no hormone usage, and the complete removal of
> >> antibiotic usage that are currently causing antibiotic resistant
> >> bacteria. Oh, and it will cost less. One of the current hangups is
> >> what preservative to use to prevent fungal growth.. potassium sorbate
> >> is a genotoxin, but there are other things they are looking in to.
> >>
> >> In the next 20 years (maybe less), say goodbye to:
> >> Most coal miners (alternative energy increases)
> >> Most OTR truckers (will need them for the last few miles, most likely)
> >> Most taxi drivers
> >> Most cattle ranchers (there will still be some of course)
> >> Quite a few farmers (less need for crops)
> >> Most factory jobs (except for programmers, robiticists, skilled
> >> machinists, engineers, etc)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:54 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> >> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > chemtrails man, tis the chemtrails
> >> >
> >> > lifestyles in general have the most impact, we are fatter and lazier
> >> > than
> >> > any generation in history, progressively more lazy as getting killed
> by
> >> > bears and sepsis have become less prevalent. processed sugars are, to
> >> > me,
> >> > the least of our concerns compared to the chemicals and hormones
> >> > ingested in
> >> > everything, even organic. our soil is generally more contaminated
> >> > globally.
> >> > GMO isnt even a thing, people think if you eat a genetically modified
> >> > food,
> >> > it will alter your genes, there are also people who believe the earth
> is
> >> > flat and bacon is bad for you, there is no room for that kind of
> >> > nonsense
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Your body processes in this order: alcohol, carbs (which both break
> >> >> down
> >> >> to sugar), fat resources.
> >> >>
> >> >> Abstain from alcohol and keep carbs very low and your body will
> >> >> naturally
> >> >> start going into ketosis. There are testing strips you can test on a
> >> >> sample
> >> >> of your urine to see if your body is in that "fat burning state" or
> >> >> not.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Jan 22, 2017 7:55 PM, "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> genetics is a bitch...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 1/22/17 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas
> >> >>>> for
> >> >>>> a year and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped
> was
> >> >>>> a
> >> >>>> <1000 cal diet.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> *From:* Bill Prince
> >> >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
> >> >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
> >> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is
> >> >>>> indicating
> >> >>>> that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. That and
> >> >>>> there
> >> >>>> is an indication that artificial sweeteners also have the opposite
> of
> >> >>>> the intended effect (they contribute to weight gain).
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> bp
> >> >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> >> >>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Josh Reynolds

Look at the past 50 years from a technology, socio-economic, medical,
and communications standpoint. If you still believe it's going to take
100 years after considering that, I'd be surprised. It's possible
though.

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 9:24 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wish 20 years were realistic to meet those goal, more like a century. too
> many "activists". If you can match the taste, texture, and juice of a ribeye
> with all the same cooking qualities, I dont care if its soylent green.
> The 20 year list, especially in the factory jobs is not based on any real
> number other than an extreme faith in technology i would guess. If we ever
> did get to the point you describe, a socialist government would be feasible,
> potentially even sustainable, and it would be met with extreme violence.
>
> In my perfect world we figure out the sticky guts that hold everything
> together so everything can be recycles. Want a steak, look up the recipe for
> the number of electrons, protons, neutrons, whatever ons you need, dump them
> in the black box with some of the goo glue. Take your dump right into a
> recycler that separates everything back into base components. Full nuclear
> power to keep the grinders running since we would be able to separate
> everything back into the base units we can clean up the radiation.
>
> Fallout is a great series, Ive played it from the beginning, f*%k virtual
> reality, in my future we play in real time
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 9:11 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>
>> A lot of the hormone, pesticide, and antibiotics problems will go away
>> with lab grown meat. It is going to allow flavor and fat replication,
>> 99% less land use, 80% less emissions, only 30% of the overall energy
>> requirements (fuel, heat, etc), less pesticide usage (have to feed
>> those animals), no hormone usage, and the complete removal of
>> antibiotic usage that are currently causing antibiotic resistant
>> bacteria. Oh, and it will cost less. One of the current hangups is
>> what preservative to use to prevent fungal growth.. potassium sorbate
>> is a genotoxin, but there are other things they are looking in to.
>>
>> In the next 20 years (maybe less), say goodbye to:
>> Most coal miners (alternative energy increases)
>> Most OTR truckers (will need them for the last few miles, most likely)
>> Most taxi drivers
>> Most cattle ranchers (there will still be some of course)
>> Quite a few farmers (less need for crops)
>> Most factory jobs (except for programmers, robiticists, skilled
>> machinists, engineers, etc)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:54 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > chemtrails man, tis the chemtrails
>> >
>> > lifestyles in general have the most impact, we are fatter and lazier
>> > than
>> > any generation in history, progressively more lazy as getting killed by
>> > bears and sepsis have become less prevalent. processed sugars are, to
>> > me,
>> > the least of our concerns compared to the chemicals and hormones
>> > ingested in
>> > everything, even organic. our soil is generally more contaminated
>> > globally.
>> > GMO isnt even a thing, people think if you eat a genetically modified
>> > food,
>> > it will alter your genes, there are also people who believe the earth is
>> > flat and bacon is bad for you, there is no room for that kind of
>> > nonsense
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Your body processes in this order: alcohol, carbs (which both break
>> >> down
>> >> to sugar), fat resources.
>> >>
>> >> Abstain from alcohol and keep carbs very low and your body will
>> >> naturally
>> >> start going into ketosis. There are testing strips you can test on a
>> >> sample
>> >> of your urine to see if your body is in that "fat burning state" or
>> >> not.
>> >>
>> >> On Jan 22, 2017 7:55 PM, "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> genetics is a bitch...
>> >>>
>> >>> On 1/22/17 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas
>> >>>> for
>> >>>> a year and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped was
>>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

I wish 20 years were realistic to meet those goal, more like a century. too
many "activists". If you can match the taste, texture, and juice of a
ribeye with all the same cooking qualities, I dont care if its soylent
green.
The 20 year list, especially in the factory jobs is not based on any real
number other than an extreme faith in technology i would guess. If we ever
did get to the point you describe, a socialist government would be
feasible, potentially even sustainable, and it would be met with extreme
violence.

In my perfect world we figure out the sticky guts that hold everything
together so everything can be recycles. Want a steak, look up the recipe
for the number of electrons, protons, neutrons, whatever ons you need, dump
them in the black box with some of the goo glue. Take your dump right into
a recycler that separates everything back into base components. Full
nuclear power to keep the grinders running since we would be able to
separate everything back into the base units we can clean up the radiation.

Fallout is a great series, Ive played it from the beginning, f*%k virtual
reality, in my future we play in real time

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 9:11 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> A lot of the hormone, pesticide, and antibiotics problems will go away
> with lab grown meat. It is going to allow flavor and fat replication,
> 99% less land use, 80% less emissions, only 30% of the overall energy
> requirements (fuel, heat, etc), less pesticide usage (have to feed
> those animals), no hormone usage, and the complete removal of
> antibiotic usage that are currently causing antibiotic resistant
> bacteria. Oh, and it will cost less. One of the current hangups is
> what preservative to use to prevent fungal growth.. potassium sorbate
> is a genotoxin, but there are other things they are looking in to.
>
> In the next 20 years (maybe less), say goodbye to:
> Most coal miners (alternative energy increases)
> Most OTR truckers (will need them for the last few miles, most likely)
> Most taxi drivers
> Most cattle ranchers (there will still be some of course)
> Quite a few farmers (less need for crops)
> Most factory jobs (except for programmers, robiticists, skilled
> machinists, engineers, etc)
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:54 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > chemtrails man, tis the chemtrails
> >
> > lifestyles in general have the most impact, we are fatter and lazier than
> > any generation in history, progressively more lazy as getting killed by
> > bears and sepsis have become less prevalent. processed sugars are, to me,
> > the least of our concerns compared to the chemicals and hormones
> ingested in
> > everything, even organic. our soil is generally more contaminated
> globally.
> > GMO isnt even a thing, people think if you eat a genetically modified
> food,
> > it will alter your genes, there are also people who believe the earth is
> > flat and bacon is bad for you, there is no room for that kind of nonsense
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Your body processes in this order: alcohol, carbs (which both break down
> >> to sugar), fat resources.
> >>
> >> Abstain from alcohol and keep carbs very low and your body will
> naturally
> >> start going into ketosis. There are testing strips you can test on a
> sample
> >> of your urine to see if your body is in that "fat burning state" or not.
> >>
> >> On Jan 22, 2017 7:55 PM, "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> genetics is a bitch...
> >>>
> >>> On 1/22/17 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas
> for
> >>>> a year and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped was a
> >>>> <1000 cal diet.
> >>>>
> >>>> *From:* Bill Prince
> >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
> >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is
> indicating
> >>>> that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. That and
> there
> >>>> is an indication that artificial sweeteners also have the opposite of
> >>>> the intended effect (they contribute to weight gain).
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> bp
> >&

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Josh Reynolds

A lot of the hormone, pesticide, and antibiotics problems will go away
with lab grown meat. It is going to allow flavor and fat replication,
99% less land use, 80% less emissions, only 30% of the overall energy
requirements (fuel, heat, etc), less pesticide usage (have to feed
those animals), no hormone usage, and the complete removal of
antibiotic usage that are currently causing antibiotic resistant
bacteria. Oh, and it will cost less. One of the current hangups is
what preservative to use to prevent fungal growth.. potassium sorbate
is a genotoxin, but there are other things they are looking in to.

In the next 20 years (maybe less), say goodbye to:
Most coal miners (alternative energy increases)
Most OTR truckers (will need them for the last few miles, most likely)
Most taxi drivers
Most cattle ranchers (there will still be some of course)
Quite a few farmers (less need for crops)
Most factory jobs (except for programmers, robiticists, skilled
machinists, engineers, etc)


On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:54 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> chemtrails man, tis the chemtrails
>
> lifestyles in general have the most impact, we are fatter and lazier than
> any generation in history, progressively more lazy as getting killed by
> bears and sepsis have become less prevalent. processed sugars are, to me,
> the least of our concerns compared to the chemicals and hormones ingested in
> everything, even organic. our soil is generally more contaminated globally.
> GMO isnt even a thing, people think if you eat a genetically modified food,
> it will alter your genes, there are also people who believe the earth is
> flat and bacon is bad for you, there is no room for that kind of nonsense
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>
>> Your body processes in this order: alcohol, carbs (which both break down
>> to sugar), fat resources.
>>
>> Abstain from alcohol and keep carbs very low and your body will naturally
>> start going into ketosis. There are testing strips you can test on a sample
>> of your urine to see if your body is in that "fat burning state" or not.
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2017 7:55 PM, "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> genetics is a bitch...
>>>
>>> On 1/22/17 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas for
>>>> a year and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped was a
>>>> <1000 cal diet.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is indicating
>>>> that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. That and there
>>>> is an indication that artificial sweeteners also have the opposite of
>>>> the intended effect (they contribute to weight gain).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>>>>
>>>>> There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome,
>>>>> sugar addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
>>>>> Not so good at solving arguments.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I completely agree with this.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you
>>>>> want to happen.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based
>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

chemtrails man, tis the chemtrails

lifestyles in general have the most impact, we are fatter and lazier than
any generation in history, progressively more lazy as getting killed by
bears and sepsis have become less prevalent. processed sugars are, to me,
the least of our concerns compared to the chemicals and hormones ingested
in everything, even organic. our soil is generally more contaminated
globally. GMO isnt even a thing, people think if you eat a genetically
modified food, it will alter your genes, there are also people who believe
the earth is flat and bacon is bad for you, there is no room for that kind
of nonsense

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> Your body processes in this order: alcohol, carbs (which both break down
> to sugar), fat resources.
>
> Abstain from alcohol and keep carbs very low and your body will naturally
> start going into ketosis. There are testing strips you can test on a sample
> of your urine to see if your body is in that "fat burning state" or not.
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 7:55 PM, "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>
>> genetics is a bitch...
>>
>> On 1/22/17 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas for
>>> a year and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped was a
>>> <1000 cal diet.
>>>
>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>>
>>>
>>> You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is indicating
>>> that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. That and there
>>> is an indication that artificial sweeteners also have the opposite of
>>> the intended effect (they contribute to weight gain).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>> On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>>> I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>>>
>>>> There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome,
>>>> sugar addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
>>>> Not so good at solving arguments.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I completely agree with this.
>>>>
>>>> You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you
>>>> want to happen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based
>>>> diet with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.
>>>>
>>>> I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate
>>>> quantities.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>>     Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+In
>>>> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/
>>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.c

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Josh Reynolds

Your body processes in this order: alcohol, carbs (which both break down to
sugar), fat resources.

Abstain from alcohol and keep carbs very low and your body will naturally
start going into ketosis. There are testing strips you can test on a sample
of your urine to see if your body is in that "fat burning state" or not.

On Jan 22, 2017 7:55 PM, "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

> genetics is a bitch...
>
> On 1/22/17 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas for
>> a year and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped was a
>> <1000 cal diet.
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>>
>> You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is indicating
>> that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. That and there
>> is an indication that artificial sweeteners also have the opposite of
>> the intended effect (they contribute to weight gain).
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>>
>>> There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome,
>>> sugar addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
>>> Not so good at solving arguments.
>>>
>>> *From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>>
>>>
>>> I completely agree with this.
>>>
>>> You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you
>>> want to happen.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based
>>> diet with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.
>>>
>>> I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.
>>>
>>> Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate
>>> quantities.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+In
>>> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/
>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.
>>> com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>>
>>> Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:*Mike Hammett
>>>
>>> *Sent:*Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM
>>>
>>> *To:*af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Bill Prince

Yah. They haven't proved it yet, but I believe that artificial 
sweeteners can contribute to insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes.


Personally, I can't stand the taste of artificial sweeteners. They leave 
some kind of metallic taste in my mouth.



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/22/2017 5:07 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Yes there are MANY that spike an insulin response.

Check this list, but be sure to crosscheck...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=web=j=https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/5lrp3l/sweeteners_and_keto_with_all_the_new_people_for/=0ahUKEwi2vpraidfRAhWL24MKHfS2A6sQFggaMAA=AFQjCNEE4QelKK0Miw_BHvtvBsrNWpijOg=gV5SId36yA_lTNaTq2Lv4g



On Jan 22, 2017 6:47 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com 
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is
indicating that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut
biome. That and there is an indication that artificial sweeteners
also have the opposite of the intended effect (they contribute to
weight gain).


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.
*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut
biome, sugar addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and
mental health.
On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
Not so good at solving arguments.
*From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
    *To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I completely agree with this.

You can Google anything you like that will agree with what
you want to happen.

For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant
based diet with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike
Hammett
*Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
    *To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in
appropriate quantities.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>



*From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.

        *From:*Mike Hammett

*Sent:*Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

----------------

*From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Robert


genetics is a bitch...

On 1/22/17 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas for
a year and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped was a
<1000 cal diet.

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]


You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is indicating
that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. That and there
is an indication that artificial sweeteners also have the opposite of
the intended effect (they contribute to weight gain).



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.

*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome,
sugar addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.

On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
Not so good at solving arguments.

*From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]


I completely agree with this.

You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you
want to happen.



For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based
diet with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)







*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]



You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate
quantities.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>



*From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
    *To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.



*From:*Mike Hammett

*Sent:*Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]



Not having breakfast is part of your problem.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

----------------

*From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant
effect on your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.
And I don’t think you can generalize too much because your
genetics affect how you metabolize your food.  Eskimos can survive
and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife is Swedish and
wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.



I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much
but the numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I
have a 300 cal microwave meal and then one smallish plate of home
cooked in the evening.  Not lots of snacks.  Still the pounds are
up, the triglycerides are up, th

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Chuck McCown

I eat a bit.  Fish.  A bit or two of whatever my wife is eating.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Skip the artificial sweeteners & eat some meat. Get your gut back into normal.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/22/2017 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas for a 
year and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped was a <1000 cal 
diet.  

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is indicating that 
artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. That and there is an 
indication that artificial sweeteners also have the opposite of the intended 
effect (they contribute to weight gain).

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, sugar 
addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.

On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
  Not so good at solving arguments.  

  From: Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  I completely agree with this.

  You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you want to 
happen.

  For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based diet 
with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

  I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

  Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate 
quantities.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.  

  From: Mike Hammett 

  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

      To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  Not having breakfast is part of your problem.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect 
on your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t think 
you can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize 
your food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife 
is Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.  

  I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but 
the numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal 
microwave meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not 
lots of snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood 
sugar is up. 

  Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight 
through since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

  From: Bill Prince 

  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM

      To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425). 

  Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all 
when he published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it 
he asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Bill Prince

Skip the artificial sweeteners & eat some meat. Get your gut back into 
normal.



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/22/2017 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas 
for a year and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped 
was a <1000 cal diet.

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is 
indicating that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. 
That and there is an indication that artificial sweeteners also have 
the opposite of the intended effect (they contribute to weight gain).


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.
*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, 
sugar addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.

On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
Not so good at solving arguments.
*From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I completely agree with this.

You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you
want to happen.

For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant
based diet with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate
quantities.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>



*From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
    *To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.

    *From:*Mike Hammett

*Sent:*Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

--------------------

*From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a
significant effect on your health, pretty sure almost all of us
eat too much.  And I don’t think you can generalize too much
because your genetics affect how you metabolize your food.
Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My
wife is Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.

I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too
much but the numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast,
I have a 300 cal microwave meal and then one smallish plate of
home cook

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

Don't all studies disagree with all other studies?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.  

  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  Not having breakfast is part of your problem.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect on 
your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t think you 
can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize your 
food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife is 
Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.  

  I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not lots of 
snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

  Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight through 
since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425). 

  Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when he 
published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 

  The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) 
diet to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.

  Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that 
turns the Mediterranean diet on its head.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm 
rapidly coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the 1940s 
and beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our current 
social, mental health, medical, and political issues. Not that it's the root 
cause (way too many factors), but it's definitely a huge contributing factor. 

Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Josh Reynolds

Yes there are MANY that spike an insulin response.

Check this list, but be sure to crosscheck...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=web=j=https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/5lrp3l/sweeteners_and_keto_with_all_the_new_people_for/=0ahUKEwi2vpraidfRAhWL24MKHfS2A6sQFggaMAA=AFQjCNEE4QelKK0Miw_BHvtvBsrNWpijOg=gV5SId36yA_lTNaTq2Lv4g



On Jan 22, 2017 6:47 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is indicating
> that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. That and there is
> an indication that artificial sweeteners also have the opposite of the
> intended effect (they contribute to weight gain).
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>
> There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, sugar
> addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
>> Not so good at solving arguments.
>>
>> *From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>>
>> I completely agree with this.
>>
>> You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you want to
>> happen.
>>
>>
>>
>> For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based diet
>> with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>>
>>
>> You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.
>>
>> I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.
>>
>> Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate
>> quantities.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>> Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>>
>>
>> Not having breakfast is part of your problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Chuck McCown

Can you get me some Stanford or MIT PhD in physics or EE shit?

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

That can actually be arranged. They've also taken the gut biome samples of a 
calm mouse, injected it into a skittish one, and a week later had two calm mice.

On Jan 22, 2017 6:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, sugar 
addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.

  On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
Not so good at solving arguments.  

From: Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I completely agree with this.

You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you want to 
happen.

For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based diet 
with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate quantities.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.  

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

    To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect 
on your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t think 
you can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize 
your food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife 
is Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.  

I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not lots of 
snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight 
through since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM

    To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425). 

Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when 
he published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 

The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) 
diet to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.

Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that 
turns the Mediterranean diet on its head.

bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm 
rapidly coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the 1940s 
and beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our curren

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Josh Reynolds

That can actually be arranged. They've also taken the gut biome samples of
a calm mouse, injected it into a skittish one, and a week later had two
calm mice.

On Jan 22, 2017 6:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>
> There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, sugar
> addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
>> Not so good at solving arguments.
>>
>> *From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>>
>> I completely agree with this.
>>
>> You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you want to
>> happen.
>>
>>
>>
>> For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based diet
>> with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>>
>>
>> You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.
>>
>> I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.
>>
>> Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate
>> quantities.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>> Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>>
>>
>> Not having breakfast is part of your problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>> While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect
>> on your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t
>> think you can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you
>> metabolize your food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and
>> veggies.  My wife is Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want
>> meat.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem li

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Chuck McCown

I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas for a year 
and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped was a <1000 cal diet. 

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is indicating that 
artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. That and there is an 
indication that artificial sweeteners also have the opposite of the intended 
effect (they contribute to weight gain).

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, sugar 
addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.

  On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
Not so good at solving arguments.  

From: Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I completely agree with this.

You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you want to 
happen.

For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based diet 
with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate quantities.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.  

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect 
on your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t think 
you can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize 
your food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife 
is Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.  

I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not lots of 
snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight 
through since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425). 

Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when 
he published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 

The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) 
diet to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.

Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that 
turns the Mediterranean diet on its head.

bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  The mo

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Bill Prince

You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is indicating 
that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. That and there 
is an indication that artificial sweeteners also have the opposite of 
the intended effect (they contribute to weight gain).



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.
*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, 
sugar addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.

On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
Not so good at solving arguments.
*From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I completely agree with this.

You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you
want to happen.

For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based
diet with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate
quantities.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>



*From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
    *To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.

    *From:*Mike Hammett

    *Sent:*Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

----------------

*From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant
effect on your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much. 
And I don’t think you can generalize too much because your

genetics affect how you metabolize your food.  Eskimos can survive
and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife is Swedish and
wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.

I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much
but the numbers say I do. Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have
a 300 cal microwave meal and then one smallish plate of home
cooked in the evening.  Not lots of snacks. Still the pounds are
up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is up.

Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad
straight through since the holidays. Just started the final season
yesterday.

*From:*Bill Prince

*Sent:*Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You ought to read "/The Big Fat Surprise/&

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Chuck McCown

If I thought it would help I would do it.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

There's a process called a fecal transplant.it's exactly what it sounds 
like.
They do it when you're gut bacteria are all killed off somehow.  Maybe you 
could find a way to get your gut biome slaughtered and then find your donor of 
choice.

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/22/2017 7:31:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, sugar 
addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.

  On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
Not so good at solving arguments.  

From: Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I completely agree with this.

You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you want to 
happen.

For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based diet 
with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate quantities.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.  

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

    To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect 
on your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t think 
you can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize 
your food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife 
is Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.  

I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not lots of 
snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight 
through since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM

    To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425). 

Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when 
he published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 

The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) 
diet to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.

Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that 
turns the Mediterranean diet on its head.

bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Adam Moffett

There's a process called a fecal transplant.it's exactly what it 
sounds like.
They do it when you're gut bacteria are all killed off somehow.  Maybe 
you could find a way to get your gut biome slaughtered and then find 
your donor of choice.



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/22/2017 7:31:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]


I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.

From:Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, 
sugar addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.


On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
Not so good at solving arguments.

From:Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I completely agree with this.

You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you want to 
happen.




For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based 
diet with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)








From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]



You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate 
quantities.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>


From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.



From: Mike Hammett

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]



Not having breakfast is part of your problem.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
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<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

----------------
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant 
effect on your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And 
I don’t think you can generalize too much because your genetics affect 
how you metabolize your food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without 
fruit and veggies.  My wife is Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I 
don’t ever want meat.




I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but 
the numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 
cal microwave meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the 
evening.  Not lots of snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the 
triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is up.




Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight 
through since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.




From: Bill Prince

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]



You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425 
<https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425>).


Her content

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Chuck McCown

I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, sugar 
addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.

On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
  Not so good at solving arguments.  

  From: Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  I completely agree with this.

  You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you want to happen.

  For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based diet with 
the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

  I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

  Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate quantities.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.  

  From: Mike Hammett 

  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  Not having breakfast is part of your problem.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect on 
your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t think you 
can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize your 
food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife is 
Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.  

  I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not lots of 
snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

  Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight through 
since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

  From: Bill Prince 

  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425). 

  Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when he 
published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 

  The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) 
diet to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.

  Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that 
turns the Mediterranean diet on its head.

bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm 
rapidly coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the 1940s 
and beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our current 
social, mental health, medical, and political issues. Not that it's the root 
cause (way too many factors), but it's definitely a huge contributing factor. 

Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Josh Reynolds

There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, sugar
addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.

On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
> Not so good at solving arguments.
>
> *From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>
>
> I completely agree with this.
>
> You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you want to
> happen.
>
>
>
> For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based diet
> with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>
>
>
> You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.
>
> I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.
>
> Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate quantities.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>
> Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>
>
>
> Not having breakfast is part of your problem.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>
> While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect
> on your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t
> think you can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you
> metabolize your food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and
> veggies.  My wife is Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want
> meat.
>
>
>
> I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the
> numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal
> microwave meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.
> Not lots of snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the
> blood sugar is up.
>
>
>
> Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight
> through since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>
>
>
> You ought to read "*The Big Fat Surprise*" by Nina Teicholz (
> https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425).
>
> Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when
> he published a study in the 1950s called "

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Chuck McCown

Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
Not so good at solving arguments.  

From: Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I completely agree with this.

You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you want to happen.

For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based diet with 
the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate quantities.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.  

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect on 
your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t think you 
can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize your 
food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife is 
Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.  

I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not lots of 
snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight through 
since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425). 

Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when he 
published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 

The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) diet 
to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.

Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that turns 
the Mediterranean diet on its head.

bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm rapidly 
coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the 1940s and 
beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our current 
social, mental health, medical, and political issues. Not that it's the root 
cause (way too many factors), but it's definitely a huge contributing factor. 

  Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)

I completely agree with this.

You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you want to happen.

 

For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based diet with 
the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

 

You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate quantities.



-
Mike Hammett
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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 



From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.  

 

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

 

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> 
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
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________

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect on 
your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t think you 
can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize your 
food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife is 
Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.  

 

I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not lots of 
snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

 

Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight through 
since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

 

You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425). 

Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when he 
published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 

The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) diet 
to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.

Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that turns 
the Mediterranean diet on its head.

 

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
 

On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm 
rapidly coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the 1940s 
and beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our current 
social, mental health, medical, and political issues. Not that it's the root 
cause (way too many factors), but it's definitely a huge contributing factor. 

 

Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)

Ha, I so agree with this

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.  

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> 
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<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect on 
your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t think you 
can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize your 
food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife is 
Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.  

I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not lots of 
snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight through 
since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425). 

Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when he 
published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 

The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) diet 
to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.

Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that turns 
the Mediterranean diet on its head.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm 
rapidly coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the 1940s 
and beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our current 
social, mental health, medical, and political issues. Not that it's the root 
cause (way too many factors), but it's definitely a huge contributing factor. 

Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Chuck McCown

https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/19/breakfast-nutrition-science/

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect on 
your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t think you 
can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize your 
food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife is 
Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.  

I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not lots of 
snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight through 
since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425). 

Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when he 
published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 

The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) diet 
to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.

Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that turns 
the Mediterranean diet on its head.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm rapidly 
coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the 1940s and 
beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our current 
social, mental health, medical, and political issues. Not that it's the root 
cause (way too many factors), but it's definitely a huge contributing factor. 

  Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Mike Hammett

You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want. 

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc. 

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate quantities. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion] 




Recent studies say otherwise. A myth promulgated by Special K. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion] 


Not having breakfast is part of your problem. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion] 




While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect on 
your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much. And I don’t think you 
can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize your 
food. Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies. My wife is 
Swedish and wants nothing but meat. I don’t ever want meat. 

I wish I could just cut back. It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do. Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening. Not lots of 
snacks. Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

Perhaps meth is the answer. Have been watching Breaking Bad straight through 
since the holidays. Just started the final season yesterday. 




From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion] 


You ought to read " The Big Fat Surprise " by Nina Teicholz ( 
https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425 ). 

Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when he 
published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 

The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) diet 
to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today. 
Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that turns 
the Mediterranean diet on its head. 
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> 
On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: 



The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm rapidly 
coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the 1940s and 
beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our current 
social, mental health, medical, and political issues. Not that it's the root 
cause (way too many factors), but it's definitely a huge contributing factor. 

Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Bill Prince

I almost never avoid breakfast; only when I'm short on time. I do skip 
lunch about 50% of the time.



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/22/2017 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.
*From:* Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
Not having breakfast is part of your problem.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
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<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant 
effect on your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And 
I don’t think you can generalize too much because your genetics affect 
how you metabolize your food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without 
fruit and veggies.  My wife is Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I 
don’t ever want meat.
I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but 
the numbers say I do. Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 
cal microwave meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the 
evening.  Not lots of snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the 
triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is up.
Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight 
through since the holidays. Just started the final season yesterday.

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You ought to read "/The Big Fat Surprise/" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425).


Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all 
when he published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country 
study". In it he asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was 
the key to good health. Her research contends that the seven country 
study was cherry picked from a study of about 30 countries. Keys went 
on a multi-decade crusade to sell his theory, and a bunch of other 
questionable dietary studies.


The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in 
fat) diet to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.


Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet 
that turns the Mediterranean diet on its head.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more
I'm rapidly coming to the belief that the increase in processed
sugar in the 1940s and beyond in American foods has had a hugely
negative effect on our current social, mental health, medical, and
political issues. Not that it's the root cause (way too many
factors), but it's definitely a huge contributing factor.
Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Bill Prince

I agree that most of us put too much stock in the foods we eat (or 
don't). I don't pay too much attention to what I eat, and I do eat 
plenty of butter and fat in general (including nuts and meat). While 
I've gained a little weight in the last decade, I attribute most of it 
to not enough balance in food versus exercise. In the last year I 
started paying more attention to getting out and about, and not eating 
as many sweets (or bread). I think I'm down about 10 pounds in the last 
year, and am now much closer to my historical weight that I had in my 
20s, 30s and 40s.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/22/2017 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant 
effect on your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And 
I don’t think you can generalize too much because your genetics affect 
how you metabolize your food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without 
fruit and veggies.  My wife is Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I 
don’t ever want meat.
I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but 
the numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 
cal microwave meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the 
evening.  Not lots of snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the 
triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is up.
Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight 
through since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You ought to read "/The Big Fat Surprise/" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425).


Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all 
when he published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country 
study". In it he asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was 
the key to good health. Her research contends that the seven country 
study was cherry picked from a study of about 30 countries. Keys went 
on a multi-decade crusade to sell his theory, and a bunch of other 
questionable dietary studies.


The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in 
fat) diet to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.


Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet 
that turns the Mediterranean diet on its head.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm 
rapidly coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in 
the 1940s and beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative 
effect on our current social, mental health, medical, and political 
issues. Not that it's the root cause (way too many factors), but it's 
definitely a huge contributing factor.

Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Chuck McCown

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect on 
your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t think you 
can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize your 
food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife is 
Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.  

I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not lots of 
snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight through 
since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425). 

Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when he 
published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 

The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) diet 
to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.

Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that turns 
the Mediterranean diet on its head.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm rapidly 
coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the 1940s and 
beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our current 
social, mental health, medical, and political issues. Not that it's the root 
cause (way too many factors), but it's definitely a huge contributing factor. 

  Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

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2017-01-22 Thread Mike Hammett

Not having breakfast is part of your problem. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion] 




While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect on 
your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much. And I don’t think you 
can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize your 
food. Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies. My wife is 
Swedish and wants nothing but meat. I don’t ever want meat. 

I wish I could just cut back. It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do. Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening. Not lots of 
snacks. Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

Perhaps meth is the answer. Have been watching Breaking Bad straight through 
since the holidays. Just started the final season yesterday. 




From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion] 


You ought to read " The Big Fat Surprise " by Nina Teicholz ( 
https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425 ). 

Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when he 
published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 

The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) diet 
to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today. 
Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that turns 
the Mediterranean diet on its head. 
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> 
On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: 



The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm rapidly 
coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the 1940s and 
beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our current 
social, mental health, medical, and political issues. Not that it's the root 
cause (way too many factors), but it's definitely a huge contributing factor. 

Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

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2017-01-22 Thread Chuck McCown

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect on 
your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t think you 
can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize your 
food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife is 
Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.  

I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not lots of 
snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight through 
since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425). 


Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when he 
published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 


The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) diet 
to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.

Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that turns 
the Mediterranean diet on its head.



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm rapidly 
coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the 1940s and 
beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our current 
social, mental health, medical, and political issues. Not that it's the root 
cause (way too many factors), but it's definitely a huge contributing factor. 

  Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Bill Prince

You ought to read "/The Big Fat Surprise/" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425).


Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all 
when he published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". 
In it he asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to 
good health. Her research contends that the seven country study was 
cherry picked from a study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a 
multi-decade crusade to sell his theory, and a bunch of other 
questionable dietary studies.


The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in 
fat) diet to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.


Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that 
turns the Mediterranean diet on its head.



bp


On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm 
rapidly coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in 
the 1940s and beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative 
effect on our current social, mental health, medical, and political 
issues. Not that it's the root cause (way too many factors), but it's 
definitely a huge contributing factor.


Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

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2017-01-22 Thread Josh Reynolds

The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm
rapidly coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the
1940s and beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our
current social, mental health, medical, and political issues. Not that it's
the root cause (way too many factors), but it's definitely a huge
contributing factor.

Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

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