Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

[LD Barthlome]

Buy a pre-terminated fiber and a couple of used Cisco switchesthen you can 
run Gig /10 Gig

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

> I've used some vdsl equipment from netsys direct, worked great. Here's 
> their Ethernet extender:
>
> http://www.netsys-direct.com/product_p/nv-202ekit.htm

Ordered a couple, should solve my issue.  Thanks.


>> > Buy a set of those DSL thingamajigs. Unless you're trying to run 
>> > PoE to power a remote device. Then you're screwed. Ethernet does 
>> > not work beyond
>> > 100 meters. If it does, it won't be reliable.
>>
>> That's what I was thinking.  Anyone know of any that are not terribly 
>> expensive?  Hopefully under $500 for pair?  If a new line needs run 
>> it will likely have to be bored in.
>>

Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

[Matt]

> I've used some vdsl equipment from netsys direct, worked great. Here's their
> Ethernet extender:
>
> http://www.netsys-direct.com/product_p/nv-202ekit.htm

Ordered a couple, should solve my issue.  Thanks.


>> > Buy a set of those DSL thingamajigs. Unless you're trying to run PoE to
>> > power a remote device. Then you're screwed. Ethernet does not work
>> > beyond
>> > 100 meters. If it does, it won't be reliable.
>>
>> That's what I was thinking.  Anyone know of any that are not terribly
>> expensive?  Hopefully under $500 for pair?  If a new line needs run it
>> will likely have to be bored in.
>>

Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

[Eric Kuhnke]

you can probably turn it into a 100Mbps bridge using a pair of Planet VDSL2
bridge units. As for running real 100BaseTX across it directly between
ethernet ports, reliably, forget about it.

http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=26560

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Matt  wrote:

> I have a ~500 foot buried cat-5 run that works fine at 10base FDX but
> not 100base.  Anyone know of a way to get it to run 100base?  I need
> about 20mbps out of this.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

[Peter Kranz]

These things are the bomb for this kinda of situation… POE powered mid-span 
extender.. Gets you to 660 feet possible..

 



 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 12:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

 

I have a ~500 foot buried cat-5 run that works fine at 10base FDX but not 
100base.  Anyone know of a way to get it to run 100base?  I need about 20mbps 
out of this.

Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

[Josh Luthman]

Use one of those devices that use "any copper" with their proprietary
stuff, then have 100 meg ports on each side.  There have been a number of
recommendations but I've never tried any myself.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Run fiber? :) You're only about 172ft past ethernet spec :P
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Matt  wrote:
> > I have a ~500 foot buried cat-5 run that works fine at 10base FDX but
> > not 100base.  Anyone know of a way to get it to run 100base?  I need
> > about 20mbps out of this.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

[Chuck McCown]

I have heard claims from vendors (I don't remember which) that their 
switches will do 500 feet.
I would try to swap around the equipment on the ends and see if you get 
lucky.


-Original Message- 
From: Matt

Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 1:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

I have a ~500 foot buried cat-5 run that works fine at 10base FDX but
not 100base.  Anyone know of a way to get it to run 100base?  I need
about 20mbps out of this. 

Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

[timothy steele]

Router with SFP port run fiber and cat5 to a UBNT edge point connect the SM
to that
On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 4:10 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I have heard claims from vendors (I don't remember which) that their
> switches will do 500 feet.
> I would try to swap around the equipment on the ends and see if you get
> lucky.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 1:38 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run
>
> I have a ~500 foot buried cat-5 run that works fine at 10base FDX but
> not 100base.  Anyone know of a way to get it to run 100base?  I need
> about 20mbps out of this.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

[Chris Wright]

I like TJ’s suggestion, but if you wanted a shotgun approach, you could try 
breaking up the twisted pairs and give yourself two 4-wire ends on each side 
that’ll hopefully still handle 10mbps, then bond them. BAM! 20mbps. It’s so 
terrible it just might work.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

do you have conduit? pull better cable, like TCL2 should work at 100M no 
problem, if not use vdsl ethernet extenders

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Mathew Howard 
<mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
dig it up halfway and plug in a PoE powered switch :P

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
Run fiber? :) You're only about 172ft past ethernet spec :P

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Matt 
<matt.mailingli...@gmail.com<mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I have a ~500 foot buried cat-5 run that works fine at 10base FDX but
> not 100base.  Anyone know of a way to get it to run 100base?  I need
> about 20mbps out of this.

Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

[Josh Reynolds]

Run fiber? :) You're only about 172ft past ethernet spec :P

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Matt  wrote:
> I have a ~500 foot buried cat-5 run that works fine at 10base FDX but
> not 100base.  Anyone know of a way to get it to run 100base?  I need
> about 20mbps out of this.

Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

[TJ Trout]

do you have conduit? pull better cable, like TCL2 should work at 100M no
problem, if not use vdsl ethernet extenders

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> dig it up halfway and plug in a PoE powered switch :P
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Run fiber? :) You're only about 172ft past ethernet spec :P
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Matt  wrote:
>> > I have a ~500 foot buried cat-5 run that works fine at 10base FDX but
>> > not 100base.  Anyone know of a way to get it to run 100base?  I need
>> > about 20mbps out of this.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

[Mathew Howard]

100M is only ~328 feet... he said it's 500'. If you're going to replace it,
it wouldn't make much sense to replace it with anything other than fiber.

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:51 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> do you have conduit? pull better cable, like TCL2 should work at 100M no
> problem, if not use vdsl ethernet extenders
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> dig it up halfway and plug in a PoE powered switch :P
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Run fiber? :) You're only about 172ft past ethernet spec :P
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Matt 
>>> wrote:
>>> > I have a ~500 foot buried cat-5 run that works fine at 10base FDX but
>>> > not 100base.  Anyone know of a way to get it to run 100base?  I need
>>> > about 20mbps out of this.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

[John Woodfield]

Mikrotik Power Box. We've done 1000' with multiples of these mid span.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Matt" <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 3:38pm
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run



I have a ~500 foot buried cat-5 run that works fine at 10base FDX but
not 100base. Anyone know of a way to get it to run 100base? I need
about 20mbps out of this.

[AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

[Matt]

I have a ~500 foot buried cat-5 run that works fine at 10base FDX but
not 100base.  Anyone know of a way to get it to run 100base?  I need
about 20mbps out of this.

Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

[Jaime Solorza]

Moxa makes some...used in older plants here by water company... new plants
will all be fiber.
On Feb 8, 2016 1:40 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> Use one of those devices that use "any copper" with their proprietary
> stuff, then have 100 meg ports on each side.  There have been a number of
> recommendations but I've never tried any myself.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Run fiber? :) You're only about 172ft past ethernet spec :P
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Matt  wrote:
>> > I have a ~500 foot buried cat-5 run that works fine at 10base FDX but
>> > not 100base.  Anyone know of a way to get it to run 100base?  I need
>> > about 20mbps out of this.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

[Mathew Howard]

dig it up halfway and plug in a PoE powered switch :P

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Run fiber? :) You're only about 172ft past ethernet spec :P
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Matt  wrote:
> > I have a ~500 foot buried cat-5 run that works fine at 10base FDX but
> > not 100base.  Anyone know of a way to get it to run 100base?  I need
> > about 20mbps out of this.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

[George Skorup]

Buy a set of those DSL thingamajigs. Unless you're trying to run PoE to 
power a remote device. Then you're screwed. Ethernet does not work 
beyond 100 meters. If it does, it won't be reliable.


On 2/8/2016 3:22 PM, Chris Wright wrote:


I like TJ’s suggestion, but if you wanted a shotgun approach, you 
could try breaking up the twisted pairs and give yourself two 4-wire 
ends on each side that’ll hopefully still handle 10mbps, then bond 
them. BAM! 20mbps. It’s so terrible it just might work.


Chris Wright

Network Administrator

Velociter Wireless

209-838-1221 x115

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
*Sent:* Monday, February 08, 2016 12:52 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

do you have conduit? pull better cable, like TCL2 should work at 100M 
no problem, if not use vdsl ethernet extenders


On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com 
<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:


dig it up halfway and plug in a PoE powered switch :P

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:


Run fiber? :) You're only about 172ft past ethernet spec :P


On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Matt <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com 
<mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> I have a ~500 foot buried cat-5 run that works fine at 10base FDX but
> not 100base.  Anyone know of a way to get it to run 100base?  I need
> about 20mbps out of this.

Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

[Ken Hohhof]

Streakwave lists a bunch of products from a company called Veracity, basically 
a 2 port switch powered by POE over one of the ports, would one of those work?  
I think some of them are weatherproof.  Model numbers start with VOR.  
CyberData also has one.


From: George Skorup 
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 4:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

Buy a set of those DSL thingamajigs. Unless you're trying to run PoE to power a 
remote device. Then you're screwed. Ethernet does not work beyond 100 meters. 
If it does, it won't be reliable.


On 2/8/2016 3:22 PM, Chris Wright wrote:

  I like TJ’s suggestion, but if you wanted a shotgun approach, you could try 
breaking up the twisted pairs and give yourself two 4-wire ends on each side 
that’ll hopefully still handle 10mbps, then bond them. BAM! 20mbps. It’s so 
terrible it just might work.

   

  Chris Wright

  Network Administrator

  Velociter Wireless

  209-838-1221 x115

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
  Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 12:52 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

   

  do you have conduit? pull better cable, like TCL2 should work at 100M no 
problem, if not use vdsl ethernet extenders

   

  On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

  dig it up halfway and plug in a PoE powered switch :P

   

  On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

  Run fiber? :) You're only about 172ft past ethernet spec :P


  On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Matt <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> wrote:
  > I have a ~500 foot buried cat-5 run that works fine at 10base FDX but
  > not 100base.  Anyone know of a way to get it to run 100base?  I need
  > about 20mbps out of this.

   

   

Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

[Jason McKemie]

I've used some vdsl equipment from netsys direct, worked great. Here's
their Ethernet extender:

http://www.netsys-direct.com/product_p/nv-202ekit.htm

On Monday, February 8, 2016, Matt <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Buy a set of those DSL thingamajigs. Unless you're trying to run PoE to
> > power a remote device. Then you're screwed. Ethernet does not work beyond
> > 100 meters. If it does, it won't be reliable.
>
> That's what I was thinking.  Anyone know of any that are not terribly
> expensive?  Hopefully under $500 for pair?  If a new line needs run it
> will likely have to be bored in.
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > On 2/8/2016 3:22 PM, Chris Wright wrote:
> >
> > I like TJ’s suggestion, but if you wanted a shotgun approach, you could
> try
> > breaking up the twisted pairs and give yourself two 4-wire ends on each
> side
> > that’ll hopefully still handle 10mbps, then bond them. BAM! 20mbps. It’s
> so
> > terrible it just might work.
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris Wright
> >
> > Network Administrator
> >
> > Velociter Wireless
> >
> > 209-838-1221 x115
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of TJ
> Trout
> > Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 12:52 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com <javascript:;>
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run
> >
> >
> >
> > do you have conduit? pull better cable, like TCL2 should work at 100M no
> > problem, if not use vdsl ethernet extenders
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > dig it up halfway and plug in a PoE powered switch :P
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > Run fiber? :) You're only about 172ft past ethernet spec :P
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Matt <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >> I have a ~500 foot buried cat-5 run that works fine at 10base FDX but
> >> not 100base.  Anyone know of a way to get it to run 100base?  I need
> >> about 20mbps out of this.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

[Matt]

> Buy a set of those DSL thingamajigs. Unless you're trying to run PoE to
> power a remote device. Then you're screwed. Ethernet does not work beyond
> 100 meters. If it does, it won't be reliable.

That's what I was thinking.  Anyone know of any that are not terribly
expensive?  Hopefully under $500 for pair?  If a new line needs run it
will likely have to be bored in.





>
> On 2/8/2016 3:22 PM, Chris Wright wrote:
>
> I like TJ’s suggestion, but if you wanted a shotgun approach, you could try
> breaking up the twisted pairs and give yourself two 4-wire ends on each side
> that’ll hopefully still handle 10mbps, then bond them. BAM! 20mbps. It’s so
> terrible it just might work.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Velociter Wireless
>
> 209-838-1221 x115
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 12:52 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run
>
>
>
> do you have conduit? pull better cable, like TCL2 should work at 100M no
> problem, if not use vdsl ethernet extenders
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> dig it up halfway and plug in a PoE powered switch :P
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
> Run fiber? :) You're only about 172ft past ethernet spec :P
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Matt <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have a ~500 foot buried cat-5 run that works fine at 10base FDX but
>> not 100base.  Anyone know of a way to get it to run 100base?  I need
>> about 20mbps out of this.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

[Josh Reynolds]

https://www.neteon.net/products/compact-ethernet-extender/vc-201a.html

Will need 2

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Matt <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Buy a set of those DSL thingamajigs. Unless you're trying to run PoE to
>> power a remote device. Then you're screwed. Ethernet does not work beyond
>> 100 meters. If it does, it won't be reliable.
>
> That's what I was thinking.  Anyone know of any that are not terribly
> expensive?  Hopefully under $500 for pair?  If a new line needs run it
> will likely have to be bored in.
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On 2/8/2016 3:22 PM, Chris Wright wrote:
>>
>> I like TJ’s suggestion, but if you wanted a shotgun approach, you could try
>> breaking up the twisted pairs and give yourself two 4-wire ends on each side
>> that’ll hopefully still handle 10mbps, then bond them. BAM! 20mbps. It’s so
>> terrible it just might work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>> Velociter Wireless
>>
>> 209-838-1221 x115
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
>> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 12:52 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run
>>
>>
>>
>> do you have conduit? pull better cable, like TCL2 should work at 100M no
>> problem, if not use vdsl ethernet extenders
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> dig it up halfway and plug in a PoE powered switch :P
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>
>> Run fiber? :) You're only about 172ft past ethernet spec :P
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Matt <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I have a ~500 foot buried cat-5 run that works fine at 10base FDX but
>>> not 100base.  Anyone know of a way to get it to run 100base?  I need
>>> about 20mbps out of this.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>