Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
Tell the WISPs doing it wrong that they're doing it wrong. They'll appreciate it so much, they'll happily correct it. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Justin Wilson" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 9:34:49 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Keep in mind the Cellular one brand did not translate well into fixed wireless. I saw that first hand. It was easy in the cellular market. There needs to be a ton of standardization for things to happen. We have a co-op here in indiana, but everyone uses different equipment, different authentication methods, different billing systems, different etc. etc. LTE removes some of these barriers, but its still an issue. Danville Illinois was one of the last holdouts of Cellular one. They had fixed wireless even after the sale to ATT. It was so outdated and slow they just abandoned. They just told customers it was getting shut off. They offered no alternatives. Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net www.mtin.net www.midwest-ix.com On Jan 30, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: If I remember correctly, Cellular One eventually turned into something more like JAB/Rise, but in the beginning it was more like a coop of independent companies working together for advertising, etc, and to work together instead of just fighting amongst themselves. I always thought that would be a good idea for WISPs. On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:10 AM, Gino A. Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: Jab/ rise buys and aggregates companies, Cellular One was more like a coop/franchise system From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Lewis Bergman < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 11:46 AM To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP I thought that is what JAB/Rise was doing. On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 9:11 AM Timothy Steele < timothy.pct...@gmail.com > wrote: What do you mean? Cellular one is known as the worst company alive everywhere I've been On Tue, Jan 30, 2018, 9:57 AM Gino A. Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: Hey Guys Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this should be repeated in the WISP industry?
Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
Keep in mind the Cellular one brand did not translate well into fixed wireless. I saw that first hand. It was easy in the cellular market. There needs to be a ton of standardization for things to happen. We have a co-op here in indiana, but everyone uses different equipment, different authentication methods, different billing systems, different etc. etc. LTE removes some of these barriers, but its still an issue. Danville Illinois was one of the last holdouts of Cellular one. They had fixed wireless even after the sale to ATT. It was so outdated and slow they just abandoned. They just told customers it was getting shut off. They offered no alternatives. Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net www.mtin.net www.midwest-ix.com > On Jan 30, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > > If I remember correctly, Cellular One eventually turned into something more > like JAB/Rise, but in the beginning it was more like a coop of independent > companies working together for advertising, etc, and to work together instead > of just fighting amongst themselves. > > I always thought that would be a good idea for WISPs. > > On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:10 AM, Gino A. Villarini <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote: > Jab/ rise buys and aggregates companies, Cellular One was more like a > coop/franchise system > > From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of > Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <mailto:af@afmug.com>> > Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 11:46 AM > To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP > > I thought that is what JAB/Rise was doing. > > On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 9:11 AM Timothy Steele <mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>> wrote: > What do you mean? Cellular one is known as the worst company alive everywhere > I've been > > > On Tue, Jan 30, 2018, 9:57 AM Gino A. Villarini <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote: > Hey Guys > > Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this should > be repeated in the WISP industry? >
Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
Well, yes, but you wouldn't want multiple WISPs competing against eachother under the same brand. There's obviously nothing you can do to stop other unlicensed wisps from coming into the area, but you wouldn't want to be fighting amongst yourselves. On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller < par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote: > > pretty sure cell carriers had licenses and protected areas ; unlicensed > wisps do not > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Mathew Howard > *To:* af > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 31, 2018 11:53 AM > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP > > It definitely wouldn't be an easy thing to put together, and there would > be a lot of details that would have to be worked out. > > The only way I can really see it working, would be if it was basically a > franchise system... local guy pays whatever franchise fees, and in exchange > gets to use the brand and gets a protected area (only protected from other > franchisees, obviously...), it would probably make sense to also take on > the role of a distributor, to some extent, and probably also provide some > level of customer support. > > It could work, but I'm guessing getting a lot of existing WISPs to sign up > for something like that isn't going to be easy. The WISPs that already have > an established brand with a good local reputation aren't going to be crazy > about the idea of dumping all that and starting over with a new brand, and > the ones that don't... you aren't going to want involved (unless they're > brand new startups, but that's a whole different thing). > > > On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:52 AM, Lewis Bergman > wrote: > >> I am might be wrong, but I don't see many of those working out. Who >> fronts the money for the drop in the bucket national ad campaign? National >> brand awareness doesn't just happen. Same for buying equipment. Who runs >> the warehouse, do you pay upfront for the equipment? How long do you have >> to wait for your delivery since it adds a step? I doubt the distributors >> will give you a big price break if you expect them to drop ship a 1 >> unit order to 125 different places. >> >> How do you deal with someone that is hurting your brand? >> >> I guess I just don't see that the advantages outweigh the huge PITA but I >> hope it works for you guys. I guess I saw the difficulties in trying to >> make a similar deal with only 4 companies. It took almost a year. >> >> It would have a natural extension into IX and peering I guess. >> >> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018, 3:17 AM Gino A. Villarini >> wrote: >> >>> Some of the Benefits: >>> >>> National Brand Awareness – huge plus when your brand is know and >>> recognized as option #3 nationally >>> >>> Standardized Operations – getting a bunch of WISP together and >>> standardizing on the best operations procedures could be daunting but the >>> benefits overshadow the initial work >>> >>> Buying/Negotiating power – buying 100 radios vs 1 could be a great >>> negotiating point, also when negotiating tower leases, fiber, ip transit >>> etc.. >>> >>> Political / Lobbying – being represented by ONE entity that is backed >>> by hundred of thousands of subs will provide leverage when lobbying at FCC >>> and other political maters. Ht wisp operator could be seen as one of the >>> big boys in the table vs scattered small mom and pop shops… >>> >>> Better prospect for exit/acquisition – Investors will take notice and as >>> a conglomerate, there are better financial outlook in a exit strategy. >>> >>> From: Af on behalf of Travis Johnson < >>> t...@ida.net> >>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" >>> Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 11:19 PM >>> >>> To: "af@afmug.com" >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP >>> >>> And honestly, what benefits are you hoping to gain?? A single name? >>> Better pricing on equipment? >>> >>> I'm not sure I understand what the ultimate goal would be, and if it >>> would be worth the cost to "consolidate" hundreds or thousands of small >>> companies. >>> >>> Things are different now than they were in the early cell days... or the >>> early cable days (as Rise/JAB is discovering). It seems like KeyOn was >>> trying to do something similar to this, even going public, before dying a >>> slow and miserable death. >>> >&
Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
pretty sure cell carriers had licenses and protected areas ; unlicensed wisps do not - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard To: af Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP It definitely wouldn't be an easy thing to put together, and there would be a lot of details that would have to be worked out. The only way I can really see it working, would be if it was basically a franchise system... local guy pays whatever franchise fees, and in exchange gets to use the brand and gets a protected area (only protected from other franchisees, obviously...), it would probably make sense to also take on the role of a distributor, to some extent, and probably also provide some level of customer support. It could work, but I'm guessing getting a lot of existing WISPs to sign up for something like that isn't going to be easy. The WISPs that already have an established brand with a good local reputation aren't going to be crazy about the idea of dumping all that and starting over with a new brand, and the ones that don't... you aren't going to want involved (unless they're brand new startups, but that's a whole different thing). On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:52 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: I am might be wrong, but I don't see many of those working out. Who fronts the money for the drop in the bucket national ad campaign? National brand awareness doesn't just happen. Same for buying equipment. Who runs the warehouse, do you pay upfront for the equipment? How long do you have to wait for your delivery since it adds a step? I doubt the distributors will give you a big price break if you expect them to drop ship a 1 unit order to 125 different places. How do you deal with someone that is hurting your brand? I guess I just don't see that the advantages outweigh the huge PITA but I hope it works for you guys. I guess I saw the difficulties in trying to make a similar deal with only 4 companies. It took almost a year. It would have a natural extension into IX and peering I guess. On Wed, Jan 31, 2018, 3:17 AM Gino A. Villarini wrote: Some of the Benefits: National Brand Awareness – huge plus when your brand is know and recognized as option #3 nationally Standardized Operations – getting a bunch of WISP together and standardizing on the best operations procedures could be daunting but the benefits overshadow the initial work Buying/Negotiating power – buying 100 radios vs 1 could be a great negotiating point, also when negotiating tower leases, fiber, ip transit etc.. Political / Lobbying – being represented by ONE entity that is backed by hundred of thousands of subs will provide leverage when lobbying at FCC and other political maters. Ht wisp operator could be seen as one of the big boys in the table vs scattered small mom and pop shops… Better prospect for exit/acquisition – Investors will take notice and as a conglomerate, there are better financial outlook in a exit strategy. From: Af on behalf of Travis Johnson Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 11:19 PM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP And honestly, what benefits are you hoping to gain?? A single name? Better pricing on equipment? I'm not sure I understand what the ultimate goal would be, and if it would be worth the cost to "consolidate" hundreds or thousands of small companies. Things are different now than they were in the early cell days... or the early cable days (as Rise/JAB is discovering). It seems like KeyOn was trying to do something similar to this, even going public, before dying a slow and miserable death. Travis On 1/30/2018 8:04 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: I like the concept, it's going to be like herding cats though... On Tuesday, January 30, 2018, Brian Webster wrote: In this discussion should we have it, a history of the first cellular networks their evolution and when the industry started to explode would need to be laid out. Starting from the early 80’s on up through. This is important because as Gino has suggested, the WISP industry is following a very similar path and has always suffered from brand/product image, recognition and understanding. Cellular phones back then suffered the same problem. The word cellular was understood as a biology term by most. The term “Car Phones” was better understood and only those who had a lot of money had those and it was a party line system with no privacy. People had them out of extreme necessity only. The concept of anyone other than the phone company being able to deliver a phone service would not have ever seemed possible to a c
Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
It definitely wouldn't be an easy thing to put together, and there would be a lot of details that would have to be worked out. The only way I can really see it working, would be if it was basically a franchise system... local guy pays whatever franchise fees, and in exchange gets to use the brand and gets a protected area (only protected from other franchisees, obviously...), it would probably make sense to also take on the role of a distributor, to some extent, and probably also provide some level of customer support. It could work, but I'm guessing getting a lot of existing WISPs to sign up for something like that isn't going to be easy. The WISPs that already have an established brand with a good local reputation aren't going to be crazy about the idea of dumping all that and starting over with a new brand, and the ones that don't... you aren't going to want involved (unless they're brand new startups, but that's a whole different thing). On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:52 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > I am might be wrong, but I don't see many of those working out. Who fronts > the money for the drop in the bucket national ad campaign? National brand > awareness doesn't just happen. Same for buying equipment. Who runs the > warehouse, do you pay upfront for the equipment? How long do you have to > wait for your delivery since it adds a step? I doubt the distributors will > give you a big price break if you expect them to drop ship a 1 unit > order to 125 different places. > > How do you deal with someone that is hurting your brand? > > I guess I just don't see that the advantages outweigh the huge PITA but I > hope it works for you guys. I guess I saw the difficulties in trying to > make a similar deal with only 4 companies. It took almost a year. > > It would have a natural extension into IX and peering I guess. > > On Wed, Jan 31, 2018, 3:17 AM Gino A. Villarini wrote: > >> Some of the Benefits: >> >> National Brand Awareness – huge plus when your brand is know and >> recognized as option #3 nationally >> >> Standardized Operations – getting a bunch of WISP together and >> standardizing on the best operations procedures could be daunting but the >> benefits overshadow the initial work >> >> Buying/Negotiating power – buying 100 radios vs 1 could be a great >> negotiating point, also when negotiating tower leases, fiber, ip transit >> etc.. >> >> Political / Lobbying – being represented by ONE entity that is backed by >> hundred of thousands of subs will provide leverage when lobbying at FCC and >> other political maters. Ht wisp operator could be seen as one of the big >> boys in the table vs scattered small mom and pop shops… >> >> Better prospect for exit/acquisition – Investors will take notice and as >> a conglomerate, there are better financial outlook in a exit strategy. >> >> From: Af on behalf of Travis Johnson > > >> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" >> Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 11:19 PM >> >> To: "af@afmug.com" >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP >> >> And honestly, what benefits are you hoping to gain?? A single name? >> Better pricing on equipment? >> >> I'm not sure I understand what the ultimate goal would be, and if it >> would be worth the cost to "consolidate" hundreds or thousands of small >> companies. >> >> Things are different now than they were in the early cell days... or the >> early cable days (as Rise/JAB is discovering). It seems like KeyOn was >> trying to do something similar to this, even going public, before dying a >> slow and miserable death. >> >> Travis >> >> >> On 1/30/2018 8:04 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: >> >> I like the concept, it's going to be like herding cats though... >> >> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018, Brian Webster >> wrote: >> >>> In this discussion should we have it, a history of the first cellular >>> networks their evolution and when the industry started to explode would >>> need to be laid out. Starting from the early 80’s on up through. This is >>> important because as Gino has suggested, the WISP industry is following a >>> very similar path and has always suffered from brand/product image, >>> recognition and understanding. Cellular phones back then suffered the same >>> problem. The word cellular was understood as a biology term by most. The >>> term “Car Phones” was better understood and only those who had a lot of >>> money had those and it was a party line system with no privacy. People ha
Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
I am might be wrong, but I don't see many of those working out. Who fronts the money for the drop in the bucket national ad campaign? National brand awareness doesn't just happen. Same for buying equipment. Who runs the warehouse, do you pay upfront for the equipment? How long do you have to wait for your delivery since it adds a step? I doubt the distributors will give you a big price break if you expect them to drop ship a 1 unit order to 125 different places. How do you deal with someone that is hurting your brand? I guess I just don't see that the advantages outweigh the huge PITA but I hope it works for you guys. I guess I saw the difficulties in trying to make a similar deal with only 4 companies. It took almost a year. It would have a natural extension into IX and peering I guess. On Wed, Jan 31, 2018, 3:17 AM Gino A. Villarini wrote: > Some of the Benefits: > > National Brand Awareness – huge plus when your brand is know and > recognized as option #3 nationally > > Standardized Operations – getting a bunch of WISP together and > standardizing on the best operations procedures could be daunting but the > benefits overshadow the initial work > > Buying/Negotiating power – buying 100 radios vs 1 could be a great > negotiating point, also when negotiating tower leases, fiber, ip transit > etc.. > > Political / Lobbying – being represented by ONE entity that is backed by > hundred of thousands of subs will provide leverage when lobbying at FCC and > other political maters. Ht wisp operator could be seen as one of the big > boys in the table vs scattered small mom and pop shops… > > Better prospect for exit/acquisition – Investors will take notice and as a > conglomerate, there are better financial outlook in a exit strategy. > > From: Af on behalf of Travis Johnson > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 11:19 PM > > To: "af@afmug.com" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP > > And honestly, what benefits are you hoping to gain?? A single name? Better > pricing on equipment? > > I'm not sure I understand what the ultimate goal would be, and if it would > be worth the cost to "consolidate" hundreds or thousands of small companies. > > Things are different now than they were in the early cell days... or the > early cable days (as Rise/JAB is discovering). It seems like KeyOn was > trying to do something similar to this, even going public, before dying a > slow and miserable death. > > Travis > > > On 1/30/2018 8:04 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: > > I like the concept, it's going to be like herding cats though... > > On Tuesday, January 30, 2018, Brian Webster > wrote: > >> In this discussion should we have it, a history of the first cellular >> networks their evolution and when the industry started to explode would >> need to be laid out. Starting from the early 80’s on up through. This is >> important because as Gino has suggested, the WISP industry is following a >> very similar path and has always suffered from brand/product image, >> recognition and understanding. Cellular phones back then suffered the same >> problem. The word cellular was understood as a biology term by most. The >> term “Car Phones” was better understood and only those who had a lot of >> money had those and it was a party line system with no privacy. People had >> them out of extreme necessity only. The concept of anyone other than the >> phone company being able to deliver a phone service would not have ever >> seemed possible to a consumer. At that time the breakup of Ma Bell was just >> happening. A person could easily start a cellular network, no spectrum >> auctions back then. Just apply to the FCC and pay the license fees. >> >> >> >> Of an interesting side note, I had the opportunity to be working on a >> consulting project for AT&T in Portland Oregon years ago, we had to review >> leases, zoning approvals and other documents to determine if sites could be >> expanded and what work was required for same. Sometimes leases mentioned >> specific frequencies and antennas etc. so they might have to be >> renegotiated or modified to add data and new frequencies and antennas. In >> this process I had my hands on Craig McCaw’s first 4 cell tower leases on >> his first built cellular system. It was very cool to be holding that piece >> of history, his personal signature and all. Such an innovator that hadn’t >> hit his stride yet. >> >> >> >> Thank You, >> >> Brian Webster >> >> www.wirelessmapping.com >> >> www.Broadband-Mapping.com >> >> &g
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Some of the Benefits: National Brand Awareness – huge plus when your brand is know and recognized as option #3 nationally Standardized Operations – getting a bunch of WISP together and standardizing on the best operations procedures could be daunting but the benefits overshadow the initial work Buying/Negotiating power – buying 100 radios vs 1 could be a great negotiating point, also when negotiating tower leases, fiber, ip transit etc.. Political / Lobbying – being represented by ONE entity that is backed by hundred of thousands of subs will provide leverage when lobbying at FCC and other political maters. Ht wisp operator could be seen as one of the big boys in the table vs scattered small mom and pop shops… Better prospect for exit/acquisition – Investors will take notice and as a conglomerate, there are better financial outlook in a exit strategy. From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Travis Johnson mailto:t...@ida.net>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 11:19 PM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP And honestly, what benefits are you hoping to gain?? A single name? Better pricing on equipment? I'm not sure I understand what the ultimate goal would be, and if it would be worth the cost to "consolidate" hundreds or thousands of small companies. Things are different now than they were in the early cell days... or the early cable days (as Rise/JAB is discovering). It seems like KeyOn was trying to do something similar to this, even going public, before dying a slow and miserable death. Travis On 1/30/2018 8:04 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: I like the concept, it's going to be like herding cats though... On Tuesday, January 30, 2018, Brian Webster mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote: In this discussion should we have it, a history of the first cellular networks their evolution and when the industry started to explode would need to be laid out. Starting from the early 80’s on up through. This is important because as Gino has suggested, the WISP industry is following a very similar path and has always suffered from brand/product image, recognition and understanding. Cellular phones back then suffered the same problem. The word cellular was understood as a biology term by most. The term “Car Phones” was better understood and only those who had a lot of money had those and it was a party line system with no privacy. People had them out of extreme necessity only. The concept of anyone other than the phone company being able to deliver a phone service would not have ever seemed possible to a consumer. At that time the breakup of Ma Bell was just happening. A person could easily start a cellular network, no spectrum auctions back then. Just apply to the FCC and pay the license fees. Of an interesting side note, I had the opportunity to be working on a consulting project for AT&T in Portland Oregon years ago, we had to review leases, zoning approvals and other documents to determine if sites could be expanded and what work was required for same. Sometimes leases mentioned specific frequencies and antennas etc. so they might have to be renegotiated or modified to add data and new frequencies and antennas. In this process I had my hands on Craig McCaw’s first 4 cell tower leases on his first built cellular system. It was very cool to be holding that piece of history, his personal signature and all. Such an innovator that hadn’t hit his stride yet. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com<http://www.wirelessmapping.com> www.Broadband-Mapping.com<http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 5:42 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP I won’t be there. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com<http://www.wirelessmapping.com> www.Broadband-Mapping.com<http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:25 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Should we discuss it as session at wispamerica? From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Brian Webster mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 1:50 PM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Absolutely. I have had a method like this in my head for year. Craig McCaw really helped th
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Marketing is the main thing I see. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:19:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP And honestly, what benefits are you hoping to gain?? A single name? Better pricing on equipment? I'm not sure I understand what the ultimate goal would be, and if it would be worth the cost to "consolidate" hundreds or thousands of small companies. Things are different now than they were in the early cell days... or the early cable days (as Rise/JAB is discovering). It seems like KeyOn was trying to do something similar to this, even going public, before dying a slow and miserable death. Travis On 1/30/2018 8:04 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: I like the concept, it's going to be like herding cats though... On Tuesday, January 30, 2018, Brian Webster < i...@wirelessmapping.com > wrote: In this discussion should we have it, a history of the first cellular networks their evolution and when the industry started to explode would need to be laid out. Starting from the early 80’s on up through. This is important because as Gino has suggested, the WISP industry is following a very similar path and has always suffered from brand/product image, recognition and understanding. Cellular phones back then suffered the same problem. The word cellular was understood as a biology term by most. The term “Car Phones” was better understood and only those who had a lot of money had those and it was a party line system with no privacy. People had them out of extreme necessity only. The concept of anyone other than the phone company being able to deliver a phone service would not have ever seemed possible to a consumer. At that time the breakup of Ma Bell was just happening. A person could easily start a cellular network, no spectrum auctions back then. Just apply to the FCC and pay the license fees. Of an interesting side note, I had the opportunity to be working on a consulting project for AT&T in Portland Oregon years ago, we had to review leases, zoning approvals and other documents to determine if sites could be expanded and what work was required for same. Sometimes leases mentioned specific frequencies and antennas etc. so they might have to be renegotiated or modified to add data and new frequencies and antennas. In this process I had my hands on Craig McCaw’s first 4 cell tower leases on his first built cellular system. It was very cool to be holding that piece of history, his personal signature and all. Such an innovator that hadn’t hit his stride yet. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 5:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP I won’t be there. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Should we discuss it as session at wispamerica? From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Brian Webster < i...@wirelessmapping.com > Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 1:50 PM To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Absolutely. I have had a method like this in my head for year. Craig McCaw really helped those independent operators when he created a national branding for the A side cellular operators that had to compete with the B side that were all the established ILECs. If there were an interested group of WISP’s who wanted to explore the concept I would be willing to have a conference call and discuss. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:58 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Hey Guys Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this should be repeated in the WISP industry?
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And honestly, what benefits are you hoping to gain?? A single name?
Better pricing on equipment?
I'm not sure I understand what the ultimate goal would be, and if it
would be worth the cost to "consolidate" hundreds or thousands of small
companies.
Things are different now than they were in the early cell days... or the
early cable days (as Rise/JAB is discovering). It seems like KeyOn was
trying to do something similar to this, even going public, before dying
a slow and miserable death.
Travis
On 1/30/2018 8:04 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I like the concept, it's going to be like herding cats though...
On Tuesday, January 30, 2018, Brian Webster <mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote:
In this discussion should we have it, a history of the first
cellular networks their evolution and when the industry started to
explode would need to be laid out. Starting from the early 80’s on
up through. This is important because as Gino has suggested, the
WISP industry is following a very similar path and has always
suffered from brand/product image, recognition and understanding.
Cellular phones back then suffered the same problem. The word
cellular was understood as a biology term by most. The term “Car
Phones” was better understood and only those who had a lot of
money had those and it was a party line system with no privacy.
People had them out of extreme necessity only. The concept of
anyone other than the phone company being able to deliver a phone
service would not have ever seemed possible to a consumer. At that
time the breakup of Ma Bell was just happening. A person could
easily start a cellular network, no spectrum auctions back then.
Just apply to the FCC and pay the license fees.
Of an interesting side note, I had the opportunity to be working
on a consulting project for AT&T in Portland Oregon years ago, we
had to review leases, zoning approvals and other documents to
determine if sites could be expanded and what work was required
for same. Sometimes leases mentioned specific frequencies and
antennas etc. so they might have to be renegotiated or modified to
add data and new frequencies and antennas. In this process I had
my hands on Craig McCaw’s first 4 cell tower leases on his first
built cellular system. It was very cool to be holding that piece
of history, his personal signature and all. Such an innovator that
hadn’t hit his stride yet.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Brian Webster
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 5:42 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
I won’t be there.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino A.
Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:25 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
Should we discuss it as session at wispamerica?
*From: *Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on
behalf of Brian Webster mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>>
*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Date: *Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 1:50 PM
*To: *"af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
Absolutely. I have had a method like this in my head for year.
Craig McCaw really helped those independent operators when he
created a national branding for the A side cellular operators that
had to compete with the B side that were all the established
ILECs. If there were an interested group of WISP’s who wanted to
explore the concept I would be willing to have a conference call
and discuss.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino A.
Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:58 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
Hey Guys
Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think
this should be repeated in the WISP industry?
Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
I like the concept, it's going to be like herding cats though... On Tuesday, January 30, 2018, Brian Webster wrote: > In this discussion should we have it, a history of the first cellular > networks their evolution and when the industry started to explode would > need to be laid out. Starting from the early 80’s on up through. This is > important because as Gino has suggested, the WISP industry is following a > very similar path and has always suffered from brand/product image, > recognition and understanding. Cellular phones back then suffered the same > problem. The word cellular was understood as a biology term by most. The > term “Car Phones” was better understood and only those who had a lot of > money had those and it was a party line system with no privacy. People had > them out of extreme necessity only. The concept of anyone other than the > phone company being able to deliver a phone service would not have ever > seemed possible to a consumer. At that time the breakup of Ma Bell was just > happening. A person could easily start a cellular network, no spectrum > auctions back then. Just apply to the FCC and pay the license fees. > > > > Of an interesting side note, I had the opportunity to be working on a > consulting project for AT&T in Portland Oregon years ago, we had to review > leases, zoning approvals and other documents to determine if sites could be > expanded and what work was required for same. Sometimes leases mentioned > specific frequencies and antennas etc. so they might have to be > renegotiated or modified to add data and new frequencies and antennas. In > this process I had my hands on Craig McCaw’s first 4 cell tower leases on > his first built cellular system. It was very cool to be holding that piece > of history, his personal signature and all. Such an innovator that hadn’t > hit his stride yet. > > > > Thank You, > > Brian Webster > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > www.Broadband-Mapping.com > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Webster > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 5:42 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP > > > > I won’t be there. > > > > Thank You, > > Brian Webster > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > www.Broadband-Mapping.com > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:25 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP > > > > Should we discuss it as session at wispamerica? > > > > *From: *Af on behalf of Brian Webster < > i...@wirelessmapping.com> > *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" > *Date: *Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 1:50 PM > *To: *"af@afmug.com" > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP > > > > Absolutely. I have had a method like this in my head for year. Craig McCaw > really helped those independent operators when he created a national > branding for the A side cellular operators that had to compete with the B > side that were all the established ILECs. If there were an interested group > of WISP’s who wanted to explore the concept I would be willing to have a > conference call and discuss. > > > > Thank You, > > Brian Webster > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > www.Broadband-Mapping.com > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:58 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP > > > > Hey Guys > > > > Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this > should be repeated in the WISP industry? >
Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
Not me eithernever have been a lackey... Jaime Solorza On Jan 30, 2018 3:52 PM, wrote: > Well, the rest of the cool kids will be there. > > *From:* Brian Webster > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 3:42 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP > > > I won’t be there. > > > > Thank You, > > Brian Webster > > 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. > > Cooperstown, NY 13326 > > (607 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=214+%0D+Eggleston+Hill+Rd.%0D+Cooperstown,+%0D+NY+13326%0D+(607&entry=gmail&source=g>) > 643-4055 Office > > (607) 435-3988 Mobile > > (208) 692-1898 Fax > Skype: Radiowebst > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > www.Broadband-Mapping.com > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:25 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP > > > > Should we discuss it as session at wispamerica? > > > > *From: *Af on behalf of Brian Webster < > i...@wirelessmapping.com> > *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" > *Date: *Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 1:50 PM > *To: *"af@afmug.com" > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP > > > > Absolutely. I have had a method like this in my head for year. Craig McCaw > really helped those independent operators when he created a national > branding for the A side cellular operators that had to compete with the B > side that were all the established ILECs. If there were an interested group > of WISP’s who wanted to explore the concept I would be willing to have a > conference call and discuss. > > > > Thank You, > > Brian Webster > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > www.Broadband-Mapping.com > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:58 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP > > > > Hey Guys > > > > Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this > should be repeated in the WISP industry? >
Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
In this discussion should we have it, a history of the first cellular networks their evolution and when the industry started to explode would need to be laid out. Starting from the early 80's on up through. This is important because as Gino has suggested, the WISP industry is following a very similar path and has always suffered from brand/product image, recognition and understanding. Cellular phones back then suffered the same problem. The word cellular was understood as a biology term by most. The term "Car Phones" was better understood and only those who had a lot of money had those and it was a party line system with no privacy. People had them out of extreme necessity only. The concept of anyone other than the phone company being able to deliver a phone service would not have ever seemed possible to a consumer. At that time the breakup of Ma Bell was just happening. A person could easily start a cellular network, no spectrum auctions back then. Just apply to the FCC and pay the license fees. Of an interesting side note, I had the opportunity to be working on a consulting project for AT&T in Portland Oregon years ago, we had to review leases, zoning approvals and other documents to determine if sites could be expanded and what work was required for same. Sometimes leases mentioned specific frequencies and antennas etc. so they might have to be renegotiated or modified to add data and new frequencies and antennas. In this process I had my hands on Craig McCaw's first 4 cell tower leases on his first built cellular system. It was very cool to be holding that piece of history, his personal signature and all. Such an innovator that hadn't hit his stride yet. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 5:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP I won't be there. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Should we discuss it as session at wispamerica? From: Af on behalf of Brian Webster Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 1:50 PM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Absolutely. I have had a method like this in my head for year. Craig McCaw really helped those independent operators when he created a national branding for the A side cellular operators that had to compete with the B side that were all the established ILECs. If there were an interested group of WISP's who wanted to explore the concept I would be willing to have a conference call and discuss. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:58 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Hey Guys Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don't you think this should be repeated in the WISP industry?
Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
Well, the rest of the cool kids will be there. From: Brian Webster Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 3:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP I won’t be there. Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. Cooperstown, NY 13326 (607) 643-4055 Office (607) 435-3988 Mobile (208) 692-1898 Fax Skype: Radiowebst www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Should we discuss it as session at wispamerica? From: Af on behalf of Brian Webster Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 1:50 PM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Absolutely. I have had a method like this in my head for year. Craig McCaw really helped those independent operators when he created a national branding for the A side cellular operators that had to compete with the B side that were all the established ILECs. If there were an interested group of WISP’s who wanted to explore the concept I would be willing to have a conference call and discuss. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:58 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Hey Guys Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this should be repeated in the WISP industry?
Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
I won't be there. Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. Cooperstown, NY 13326 (607) 643-4055 Office (607) 435-3988 Mobile (208) 692-1898 Fax Skype: Radiowebst www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Should we discuss it as session at wispamerica? From: Af on behalf of Brian Webster Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 1:50 PM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Absolutely. I have had a method like this in my head for year. Craig McCaw really helped those independent operators when he created a national branding for the A side cellular operators that had to compete with the B side that were all the established ILECs. If there were an interested group of WISP's who wanted to explore the concept I would be willing to have a conference call and discuss. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:58 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Hey Guys Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don't you think this should be repeated in the WISP industry?
Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
the American way. - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP The start of another great oligopoly! From: CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 12:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP I would attend Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: "Gino A. Villarini" To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Date: Tue, Jan 30, 2018 1:25 PM Should we discuss it as session at wispamerica? From: Af on behalf of Brian Webster Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 1:50 PM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Absolutely. I have had a method like this in my head for year. Craig McCaw really helped those independent operators when he created a national branding for the A side cellular operators that had to compete with the B side that were all the established ILECs. If there were an interested group of WISP’s who wanted to explore the concept I would be willing to have a conference call and discuss. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:58 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Hey Guys Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this should be repeated in the WISP industry?
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S From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 1:21 PM To: af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Or did you mean to say "Secret Society"? -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 1/30/2018 3:03:52 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP The start of another great oligopoly! From: CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 12:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP I would attend Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: "Gino A. Villarini" To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Date: Tue, Jan 30, 2018 1:25 PM Should we discuss it as session at wispamerica? From: Af on behalf of Brian Webster Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 1:50 PM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Absolutely. I have had a method like this in my head for year. Craig McCaw really helped those independent operators when he created a national branding for the A side cellular operators that had to compete with the B side that were all the established ILECs. If there were an interested group of WISP’s who wanted to explore the concept I would be willing to have a conference call and discuss. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:58 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Hey Guys Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this should be repeated in the WISP industry?
Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
Or did you mean to say "Secret Society"? -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 1/30/2018 3:03:52 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP The start of another great oligopoly! From:CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 12:57 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP I would attend Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: "Gino A. Villarini" To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Date: Tue, Jan 30, 2018 1:25 PM Should we discuss it as session at wispamerica? From: Af on behalf of Brian Webster Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 1:50 PM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Absolutely. I have had a method like this in my head for year. Craig McCaw really helped those independent operators when he created a national branding for the A side cellular operators that had to compete with the B side that were all the established ILECs. If there were an interested group of WISP’s who wanted to explore the concept I would be willing to have a conference call and discuss. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:58 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Hey Guys Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this should be repeated in the WISP industry?
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The start of another great oligopoly! From: CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 12:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP I would attend Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: "Gino A. Villarini" To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Date: Tue, Jan 30, 2018 1:25 PM Should we discuss it as session at wispamerica? From: Af on behalf of Brian Webster Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 1:50 PM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Absolutely. I have had a method like this in my head for year. Craig McCaw really helped those independent operators when he created a national branding for the A side cellular operators that had to compete with the B side that were all the established ILECs. If there were an interested group of WISP’s who wanted to explore the concept I would be willing to have a conference call and discuss. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:58 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Hey Guys Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this should be repeated in the WISP industry?
Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
I would attend Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: "Gino A. Villarini" To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Date: Tue, Jan 30, 2018 1:25 PM Should we discuss it as session at wispamerica? From: Af on behalf of Brian Webster Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 1:50 PM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Absolutely. I have had a method like this in my head for year. Craig McCaw really helped those independent operators when he created a national branding for the A side cellular operators that had to compete with the B side that were all the established ILECs. If there were an interested group of WISP’s who wanted to explore the concept I would be willing to have a conference call and discuss. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:58 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Hey Guys Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this should be repeated in the WISP industry?
Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
Should we discuss it as session at wispamerica? From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Brian Webster mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 1:50 PM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Absolutely. I have had a method like this in my head for year. Craig McCaw really helped those independent operators when he created a national branding for the A side cellular operators that had to compete with the B side that were all the established ILECs. If there were an interested group of WISP’s who wanted to explore the concept I would be willing to have a conference call and discuss. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com<http://www.wirelessmapping.com> www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:58 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Hey Guys Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this should be repeated in the WISP industry?
Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
Absolutely. I have had a method like this in my head for year. Craig McCaw really helped those independent operators when he created a national branding for the A side cellular operators that had to compete with the B side that were all the established ILECs. If there were an interested group of WISP's who wanted to explore the concept I would be willing to have a conference call and discuss. Thank You, Brian Webster <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:58 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Hey Guys Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don't you think this should be repeated in the WISP industry?
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If I remember correctly, Cellular One eventually turned into something more like JAB/Rise, but in the beginning it was more like a coop of independent companies working together for advertising, etc, and to work together instead of just fighting amongst themselves. I always thought that would be a good idea for WISPs. On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:10 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote: > Jab/ rise buys and aggregates companies, Cellular One was more like a > coop/franchise system > > From: Af on behalf of Lewis Bergman < > lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 11:46 AM > To: "af@afmug.com" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP > > I thought that is what JAB/Rise was doing. > > On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 9:11 AM Timothy Steele > wrote: > >> What do you mean? Cellular one is known as the worst company alive >> everywhere I've been >> >> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018, 9:57 AM Gino A. Villarini >> wrote: >> >>> Hey Guys >>> >>> Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this >>> should be repeated in the WISP industry? >>> >>
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Oh ok. Are you thinking build one brand? Maybe a local outfit pays a franchise fee. The franchise holder (under NDA) gets access to the engineering and design data to build a local network to the specifications of the national brand. Something along those lines? -- Original Message -- From: "Gino A. Villarini" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 1/30/2018 11:10:38 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Jab/ rise buys and aggregates companies, Cellular One was more like a coop/franchise system From: Af on behalf of Lewis Bergman Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 11:46 AM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP I thought that is what JAB/Rise was doing. On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 9:11 AM Timothy Steele wrote: What do you mean? Cellular one is known as the worst company alive everywhere I've been On Tue, Jan 30, 2018, 9:57 AM Gino A. Villarini wrote: Hey Guys Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this should be repeated in the WISP industry?
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Jab/ rise buys and aggregates companies, Cellular One was more like a coop/franchise system From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 11:46 AM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP I thought that is what JAB/Rise was doing. On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 9:11 AM Timothy Steele mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>> wrote: What do you mean? Cellular one is known as the worst company alive everywhere I've been On Tue, Jan 30, 2018, 9:57 AM Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote: Hey Guys Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this should be repeated in the WISP industry?
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You might have to educate me on the relevant history. Do you mean one network sold by many local vendors? -- Original Message -- From: "Gino A. Villarini" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 1/30/2018 9:57:35 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP Hey Guys Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this should be repeated in the WISP industry?
Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
I thought that is what JAB/Rise was doing. On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 9:11 AM Timothy Steele wrote: > What do you mean? Cellular one is known as the worst company alive > everywhere I've been > > On Tue, Jan 30, 2018, 9:57 AM Gino A. Villarini wrote: > >> Hey Guys >> >> Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this >> should be repeated in the WISP industry? >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
What do you mean? Cellular one is known as the worst company alive everywhere I've been On Tue, Jan 30, 2018, 9:57 AM Gino A. Villarini wrote: > Hey Guys > > Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this > should be repeated in the WISP industry? >
[AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
Hey Guys Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this should be repeated in the WISP industry?
