Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Dennis Burgess]

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 8:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Which hosted service are you using?  Cost effective?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 6:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

The very low cost plan I am on appears to have sharepoint included at some 
capacity.

I don’t use it though.

I had sharepoint running for a while on my own Exchange server a few years ago.

It ran fine, but I had to run firewalls specific to it to make sure I wasn’t 
hacked.

I don’t know if I’m any better hacking wise with the MS hosted solution, but 
probably.
At least I don’t have to worry about all that crap anymore.
I just wonder if they will ever get password hacked etc.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

It was a little more work to set up but hosted Exchange has limitations.  We 
are also planning on adding Sharepoint and integrating some other functions on 
the server when we upgrade the hardware.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

I had the same attitude, but our 2011sbs took a shit and we decided it would be 
quicker to swap to hosted exchange than rebuild (gave us the option to build a 
new 2012 active directory and get rid of all the sbs nonsense)
I love it, no messing with firewalls, keeping patches in place, if there is 
ever an issue, i just initiate a ticket and actually get to go home, so much 
better funner

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP emails 
in the cloud but not the core.

Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that maybe 
the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it’s the 
principle of ot

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?

I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for small 
or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
It’s not too hard to manage online.

When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother with client 
email.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth” and my 
Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.

I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.   
I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”

I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.

S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

Paul



Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Layne Sisk]

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 7:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Which hosted service are you using?  Cost effective?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 6:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

The very low cost plan I am on appears to have sharepoint included at some 
capacity.

I don’t use it though.

I had sharepoint running for a while on my own Exchange server a few years ago.

It ran fine, but I had to run firewalls specific to it to make sure I wasn’t 
hacked.

I don’t know if I’m any better hacking wise with the MS hosted solution, but 
probably.
At least I don’t have to worry about all that crap anymore.
I just wonder if they will ever get password hacked etc.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

It was a little more work to set up but hosted Exchange has limitations.  We 
are also planning on adding Sharepoint and integrating some other functions on 
the server when we upgrade the hardware.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

I had the same attitude, but our 2011sbs took a shit and we decided it would be 
quicker to swap to hosted exchange than rebuild (gave us the option to build a 
new 2012 active directory and get rid of all the sbs nonsense)
I love it, no messing with firewalls, keeping patches in place, if there is 
ever an issue, i just initiate a ticket and actually get to go home, so much 
better funner

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP emails 
in the cloud but not the core.

Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that maybe 
the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it’s the 
principle of ot

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?

I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for small 
or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
It’s not too hard to manage online.

When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother with client 
email.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth” and my 
Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.

I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.   
I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”

I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.

S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

Paul



Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Andreas Wiatowski]

We will likely move from Exchange 2012 to 365.  It makes no sense to 
self-contain anymore…we have a lot of bandwidth and why worry about the 
headaches?  We have always sent our email to a scrubbing service before it 
arrives at the server.

Office 365 gives each user the full office suite for up-to 5 devices…which is 
cool when in my case I have a Mac Desktop at home, MacbookPro for office, 
Windows machine for the wife…Windows for kids…you get the picture.  Nice thing 
is, you get the latest and greatest and no worries about backups.  I think you 
also get 1TB one-drive account too for syncing/storage.

Cheers,

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From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Date: Saturday, June 24, 2017 at 1:30 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

We use Symantec for Exchange server and Malwarebytes.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 8:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Google’s spam handling alone is worth using gmail IMHO.



From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 10:05:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
We dumped out SBS server and just went to a new Exchange Server in house.  
Knowing what Google does to Gmail, what Google does to all the data it hosts 
and who it gives access to without our knowledge, I’m keeping our own email 
server.  Rather face the hackers head on.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 7:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

I use Google Drive for everything.  I have it on several computers so that if 
the internet goes down or Google goes down I still have a local copy of all my 
junk on at least two places I can access.  I hope that protects me from 
ransomware.  Have not left Word and Excel for Google yet other than storing the 
files on the drive.  But I agree, I love what Drive does for me.


From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 8:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

We've been Google apps for business now for over 5 years. Love it and know I 
don't have to worry about my data being secure and backed up. Also don't have 
to administer a server and spam filters. It just something I don't want to 
think about and Google gives me that ability. If you're running a wisp, then 
run your wisp instead of doing email and stuff. Google kicks ass!

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 8:25 AM Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Which hosted service are you using?  Cost effective?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 6:35 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

The very low cost plan I am on appears to have sharepoint included at some 
capacity.

I don’t use it though.

I had sharepoint running for a while on my own Exchange server a few years ago.

It ran fine, but I had to run firewalls specific to it to make sure I wasn’t 
hacked.

I don’t know if I’m any better hacking wise with the MS hosted solution, but 
probably.
At least I don’t have to worry about all that crap anymore.
I just wonder if they will ever get password hacked etc.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:30 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

It was a little more work to set up but hosted Exchange has limitations.  We 
are also planning on adding Sharepoint and integrating some other functions on 
the server when we upgrade the hardware.

Rory

From: Af [

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Rory Conaway]

We use Symantec for Exchange server and Malwarebytes.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 8:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Google’s spam handling alone is worth using gmail IMHO.


From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 10:05:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
We dumped out SBS server and just went to a new Exchange Server in house.  
Knowing what Google does to Gmail, what Google does to all the data it hosts 
and who it gives access to without our knowledge, I’m keeping our own email 
server.  Rather face the hackers head on.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 7:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

I use Google Drive for everything.  I have it on several computers so that if 
the internet goes down or Google goes down I still have a local copy of all my 
junk on at least two places I can access.  I hope that protects me from 
ransomware.  Have not left Word and Excel for Google yet other than storing the 
files on the drive.  But I agree, I love what Drive does for me.


From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 8:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

We've been Google apps for business now for over 5 years. Love it and know I 
don't have to worry about my data being secure and backed up. Also don't have 
to administer a server and spam filters. It just something I don't want to 
think about and Google gives me that ability. If you're running a wisp, then 
run your wisp instead of doing email and stuff. Google kicks ass!

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 8:25 AM Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Which hosted service are you using?  Cost effective?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 6:35 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

The very low cost plan I am on appears to have sharepoint included at some 
capacity.

I don’t use it though.

I had sharepoint running for a while on my own Exchange server a few years ago.

It ran fine, but I had to run firewalls specific to it to make sure I wasn’t 
hacked.

I don’t know if I’m any better hacking wise with the MS hosted solution, but 
probably.
At least I don’t have to worry about all that crap anymore.
I just wonder if they will ever get password hacked etc.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:30 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

It was a little more work to set up but hosted Exchange has limitations.  We 
are also planning on adding Sharepoint and integrating some other functions on 
the server when we upgrade the hardware.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:56 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

I had the same attitude, but our 2011sbs took a shit and we decided it would be 
quicker to swap to hosted exchange than rebuild (gave us the option to build a 
new 2012 active directory and get rid of all the sbs nonsense)
I love it, no messing with firewalls, keeping patches in place, if there is 
ever an issue, i just initiate a ticket and actually get to go home, so much 
better funner

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP emails 
in the cloud but not the core.

Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that maybe 
the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it’s the 
principle of ot

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?

I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for small 
or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
It’s not too hard to manage online.

When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother with client 
email.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Josh Reynolds]

+1

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 10:10 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Google’s spam handling alone is worth using gmail IMHO.
>
> --
> *From: *"Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, June 24, 2017 10:05:54 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
> We dumped out SBS server and just went to a new Exchange Server in house.
> Knowing what Google does to Gmail, what Google does to all the data it
> hosts and who it gives access to without our knowledge, I’m keeping our own
> email server.  Rather face the hackers head on.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 24, 2017 7:44 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> I use Google Drive for everything.  I have it on several computers so that
> if the internet goes down or Google goes down I still have a local copy of
> all my junk on at least two places I can access.  I hope that protects me
> from ransomware.  Have not left Word and Excel for Google yet other than
> storing the files on the drive.  But I agree, I love what Drive does for
> me.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Darin Steffl
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 24, 2017 8:40 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> We've been Google apps for business now for over 5 years. Love it and know
> I don't have to worry about my data being secure and backed up. Also don't
> have to administer a server and spam filters. It just something I don't
> want to think about and Google gives me that ability. If you're running a
> wisp, then run your wisp instead of doing email and stuff. Google kicks ass!
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 8:25 AM Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>
> Which hosted service are you using?  Cost effective?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 6:35 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> The very low cost plan I am on appears to have sharepoint included at some
> capacity.
>
>
>
> I don’t use it though.
>
>
>
> I had sharepoint running for a while on my own Exchange server a few years
> ago.
>
>
>
> It ran fine, but I had to run firewalls specific to it to make sure I
> wasn’t hacked.
>
>
>
> I don’t know if I’m any better hacking wise with the MS hosted solution,
> but probably.
>
> At least I don’t have to worry about all that crap anymore.
>
> I just wonder if they will ever get password hacked etc.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 4:30 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> It was a little more work to set up but hosted Exchange has limitations.
> We are also planning on adding Sharepoint and integrating some other
> functions on the server when we upgrade the hardware.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 3:56 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> I had the same attitude, but our 2011sbs took a shit and we decided it
> would be quicker to swap to hosted exchange than rebuild (gave us the
> option to build a new 2012 active directory and get rid of all the sbs
> nonsense)
>
> I love it, no messing with firewalls, keeping patches in place, if there
> is ever an issue, i just initiate a ticket and actually get to go home, so
> much better funner
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>
> I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP
> emails in the cloud but not the core.
>
>
>
> Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that
> maybe the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it’s
> the principle of ot
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?
>
>
>
> I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for
> small or large nubmers, doubt it will bai

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[chuck]

Google’s spam handling alone is worth using gmail IMHO.  





From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 10:05:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement


We dumped out SBS server and just went to a new Exchange Server in house.  
Knowing what Google does to Gmail, what Google does to all the data it hosts 
and who it gives access to without our knowledge, I’m keeping our own email 
server.  Rather face the hackers head on.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 7:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement



I use Google Drive for everything.  I have it on several computers so that if 
the internet goes down or Google goes down I still have a local copy of all my 
junk on at least two places I can access.  I hope that protects me from 
ransomware.  Have not left Word and Excel for Google yet other than storing the 
files on the drive.  But I agree, I love what Drive does for me.  





From: Darin Steffl 

Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 8:40 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement



We've been Google apps for business now for over 5 years. Love it and know I 
don't have to worry about my data being secure and backed up. Also don't have 
to administer a server and spam filters. It just something I don't want to 
think about and Google gives me that ability. If you're running a wisp, then 
run your wisp instead of doing email and stuff. Google kicks ass!



On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 8:25 AM Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

  Which hosted service are you using?  Cost effective?



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 6:35 PM


  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement



  The very low cost plan I am on appears to have sharepoint included at some 
capacity.



  I don’t use it though.



  I had sharepoint running for a while on my own Exchange server a few years 
ago.



  It ran fine, but I had to run firewalls specific to it to make sure I wasn’t 
hacked.



  I don’t know if I’m any better hacking wise with the MS hosted solution, but 
probably.

  At least I don’t have to worry about all that crap anymore.

  I just wonder if they will ever get password hacked etc.



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:30 PM


  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement



  It was a little more work to set up but hosted Exchange has limitations.  We 
are also planning on adding Sharepoint and integrating some other functions on 
the server when we upgrade the hardware.



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:56 PM


  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement



  I had the same attitude, but our 2011sbs took a shit and we decided it would 
be quicker to swap to hosted exchange than rebuild (gave us the option to build 
a new 2012 active directory and get rid of all the sbs nonsense)

  I love it, no messing with firewalls, keeping patches in place, if there is 
ever an issue, i just initiate a ticket and actually get to go home, so much 
better funner



  On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

  I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP 
emails in the cloud but not the core.



  Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that maybe 
the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it’s the 
principle of ot



  Paul



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement



  For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?



  I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for 
small or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.

  Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.

  It’s not too hard to manage online.



  When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother with 
client email.



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement



  Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth” and 
my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.



  I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.  
 I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”



  I don’t want to do a cloud based replacem

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Mike Hammett]

I'm working with a friend of mine who gets no e-mail in or out of a particular 
vendor of theirs. No auto-responses on things that should auto-respond. 

He's on GMail, so he has no fucking clue what happens after he hits send. 

Never outsource e-mail. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 10:05:54 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement 



We dumped out SBS server and just went to a new Exchange Server in house. 
Knowing what Google does to Gmail, what Google does to all the data it hosts 
and who it gives access to without our knowledge, I’m keeping our own email 
server. Rather face the hackers head on. 

Rory 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 7:44 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement 




I use Google Drive for everything. I have it on several computers so that if 
the internet goes down or Google goes down I still have a local copy of all my 
junk on at least two places I can access. I hope that protects me from 
ransomware. Have not left Word and Excel for Google yet other than storing the 
files on the drive. But I agree, I love what Drive does for me. 








From: Darin Steffl 

Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 8:40 AM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement 





We've been Google apps for business now for over 5 years. Love it and know I 
don't have to worry about my data being secure and backed up. Also don't have 
to administer a server and spam filters. It just something I don't want to 
think about and Google gives me that ability. If you're running a wisp, then 
run your wisp instead of doing email and stuff. Google kicks ass! 




On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 8:25 AM Paul McCall < pa...@pdmnet.net > wrote: 




Which hosted service are you using? Cost effective? 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 6:35 PM 





To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement 



The very low cost plan I am on appears to have sharepoint included at some 
capacity. 



I don’t use it though. 

I had sharepoint running for a while on my own Exchange server a few years ago. 

It ran fine, but I had to run firewalls specific to it to make sure I wasn’t 
hacked. 

I don’t know if I’m any better hacking wise with the MS hosted solution, but 
probably. 
At least I don’t have to worry about all that crap anymore. 
I just wonder if they will ever get password hacked etc. 





From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:30 PM 





To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement 



It was a little more work to set up but hosted Exchange has limitations. We are 
also planning on adding Sharepoint and integrating some other functions on the 
server when we upgrade the hardware. 

Rory 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:56 PM 



To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement 




I had the same attitude, but our 2011sbs took a shit and we decided it would be 
quicker to swap to hosted exchange than rebuild (gave us the option to build a 
new 2012 active directory and get rid of all the sbs nonsense) 




I love it, no messing with firewalls, keeping patches in place, if there is 
ever an issue, i just initiate a ticket and actually get to go home, so much 
better funner 





On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall < pa...@pdmnet.net > wrote: 


I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud. We do our WISP emails 
in the cloud but not the core. 

Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that maybe 
the government might not have access to. Nothing to hide, but it’s the 
principle of ot 

Paul 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement 

For your office? So no client email for ISP etc? 

I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for small 
or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon. 
Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc. 
It’s not too hard to manage online. 

When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother with client 
email. 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Paul McCall 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement 

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth” and my 
Unix guys are expressing the des

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Rory Conaway]

We dumped out SBS server and just went to a new Exchange Server in house.  
Knowing what Google does to Gmail, what Google does to all the data it hosts 
and who it gives access to without our knowledge, I’m keeping our own email 
server.  Rather face the hackers head on.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 7:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

I use Google Drive for everything.  I have it on several computers so that if 
the internet goes down or Google goes down I still have a local copy of all my 
junk on at least two places I can access.  I hope that protects me from 
ransomware.  Have not left Word and Excel for Google yet other than storing the 
files on the drive.  But I agree, I love what Drive does for me.


From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 8:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

We've been Google apps for business now for over 5 years. Love it and know I 
don't have to worry about my data being secure and backed up. Also don't have 
to administer a server and spam filters. It just something I don't want to 
think about and Google gives me that ability. If you're running a wisp, then 
run your wisp instead of doing email and stuff. Google kicks ass!

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 8:25 AM Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Which hosted service are you using?  Cost effective?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 6:35 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

The very low cost plan I am on appears to have sharepoint included at some 
capacity.

I don’t use it though.

I had sharepoint running for a while on my own Exchange server a few years ago.

It ran fine, but I had to run firewalls specific to it to make sure I wasn’t 
hacked.

I don’t know if I’m any better hacking wise with the MS hosted solution, but 
probably.
At least I don’t have to worry about all that crap anymore.
I just wonder if they will ever get password hacked etc.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:30 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

It was a little more work to set up but hosted Exchange has limitations.  We 
are also planning on adding Sharepoint and integrating some other functions on 
the server when we upgrade the hardware.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:56 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

I had the same attitude, but our 2011sbs took a shit and we decided it would be 
quicker to swap to hosted exchange than rebuild (gave us the option to build a 
new 2012 active directory and get rid of all the sbs nonsense)
I love it, no messing with firewalls, keeping patches in place, if there is 
ever an issue, i just initiate a ticket and actually get to go home, so much 
better funner

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP emails 
in the cloud but not the core.

Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that maybe 
the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it’s the 
principle of ot

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?

I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for small 
or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
It’s not too hard to manage online.

When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother with client 
email.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth” and my 
Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.

I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.   
I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”

I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.

S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

Paul



Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highwa

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[chuck]

I use Google Drive for everything.  I have it on several computers so that if 
the internet goes down or Google goes down I still have a local copy of all my 
junk on at least two places I can access.  I hope that protects me from 
ransomware.  Have not left Word and Excel for Google yet other than storing the 
files on the drive.  But I agree, I love what Drive does for me.  


From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 8:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

We've been Google apps for business now for over 5 years. Love it and know I 
don't have to worry about my data being secure and backed up. Also don't have 
to administer a server and spam filters. It just something I don't want to 
think about and Google gives me that ability. If you're running a wisp, then 
run your wisp instead of doing email and stuff. Google kicks ass!

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 8:25 AM Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

  Which hosted service are you using?  Cost effective?



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 6:35 PM


  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement




  The very low cost plan I am on appears to have sharepoint included at some 
capacity.



  I don’t use it though.



  I had sharepoint running for a while on my own Exchange server a few years 
ago.



  It ran fine, but I had to run firewalls specific to it to make sure I wasn’t 
hacked.



  I don’t know if I’m any better hacking wise with the MS hosted solution, but 
probably.

  At least I don’t have to worry about all that crap anymore.

  I just wonder if they will ever get password hacked etc.



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:30 PM


  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement




  It was a little more work to set up but hosted Exchange has limitations.  We 
are also planning on adding Sharepoint and integrating some other functions on 
the server when we upgrade the hardware.



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:56 PM


  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement




  I had the same attitude, but our 2011sbs took a shit and we decided it would 
be quicker to swap to hosted exchange than rebuild (gave us the option to build 
a new 2012 active directory and get rid of all the sbs nonsense)

  I love it, no messing with firewalls, keeping patches in place, if there is 
ever an issue, i just initiate a ticket and actually get to go home, so much 
better funner



  On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

  I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP 
emails in the cloud but not the core.



  Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that maybe 
the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it’s the 
principle of ot



  Paul



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement



  For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?



  I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for 
small or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.

  Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.

  It’s not too hard to manage online.



  When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother with 
client email.



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement



  Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth” and 
my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.



  I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.  
 I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”



  I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.



  S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?



  Paul







  Paul McCall, Pres.

  PDMNet / Florida Broadband 

  658 Old Dixie Highway

  Vero Beach, FL 32962

  772-564-6800 office

  772-473-0352 cell

  www.pdmnet.com

  pa...@pdmnet.net









  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

-- 

Darin Steffl 
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Darin Steffl]

We've been Google apps for business now for over 5 years. Love it and know
I don't have to worry about my data being secure and backed up. Also don't
have to administer a server and spam filters. It just something I don't
want to think about and Google gives me that ability. If you're running a
wisp, then run your wisp instead of doing email and stuff. Google kicks ass!

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 8:25 AM Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

> Which hosted service are you using?  Cost effective?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 6:35 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> The very low cost plan I am on appears to have sharepoint included at some
> capacity.
>
>
>
> I don’t use it though.
>
>
>
> I had sharepoint running for a while on my own Exchange server a few years
> ago.
>
>
>
> It ran fine, but I had to run firewalls specific to it to make sure I
> wasn’t hacked.
>
>
>
> I don’t know if I’m any better hacking wise with the MS hosted solution,
> but probably.
>
> At least I don’t have to worry about all that crap anymore.
>
> I just wonder if they will ever get password hacked etc.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 4:30 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> It was a little more work to set up but hosted Exchange has limitations.
> We are also planning on adding Sharepoint and integrating some other
> functions on the server when we upgrade the hardware.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 3:56 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> I had the same attitude, but our 2011sbs took a shit and we decided it
> would be quicker to swap to hosted exchange than rebuild (gave us the
> option to build a new 2012 active directory and get rid of all the sbs
> nonsense)
>
> I love it, no messing with firewalls, keeping patches in place, if there
> is ever an issue, i just initiate a ticket and actually get to go home, so
> much better funner
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>
> I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP
> emails in the cloud but not the core.
>
>
>
> Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that
> maybe the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it’s
> the principle of ot
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?
>
>
>
> I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for
> small or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
>
> Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
>
> It’s not too hard to manage online.
>
>
>
> When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother with
> client email.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth”
> and my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.
>
>
>
> I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource
> hog.   I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”
>
>
>
> I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with
> my entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.
>
>
>
> S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
-- 
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
<http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook
<http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Paul McCall]

Which hosted service are you using?  Cost effective?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 6:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

The very low cost plan I am on appears to have sharepoint included at some 
capacity.

I don’t use it though.

I had sharepoint running for a while on my own Exchange server a few years ago.

It ran fine, but I had to run firewalls specific to it to make sure I wasn’t 
hacked.

I don’t know if I’m any better hacking wise with the MS hosted solution, but 
probably.
At least I don’t have to worry about all that crap anymore.
I just wonder if they will ever get password hacked etc.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

It was a little more work to set up but hosted Exchange has limitations.  We 
are also planning on adding Sharepoint and integrating some other functions on 
the server when we upgrade the hardware.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

I had the same attitude, but our 2011sbs took a shit and we decided it would be 
quicker to swap to hosted exchange than rebuild (gave us the option to build a 
new 2012 active directory and get rid of all the sbs nonsense)
I love it, no messing with firewalls, keeping patches in place, if there is 
ever an issue, i just initiate a ticket and actually get to go home, so much 
better funner

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP emails 
in the cloud but not the core.

Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that maybe 
the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it’s the 
principle of ot

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?

I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for small 
or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
It’s not too hard to manage online.

When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother with client 
email.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth” and my 
Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.

I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.   
I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”

I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.

S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

Paul



Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Sterling Jacobson]

The very low cost plan I am on appears to have sharepoint included at some 
capacity.

I don’t use it though.

I had sharepoint running for a while on my own Exchange server a few years ago.

It ran fine, but I had to run firewalls specific to it to make sure I wasn’t 
hacked.

I don’t know if I’m any better hacking wise with the MS hosted solution, but 
probably.
At least I don’t have to worry about all that crap anymore.
I just wonder if they will ever get password hacked etc.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

It was a little more work to set up but hosted Exchange has limitations.  We 
are also planning on adding Sharepoint and integrating some other functions on 
the server when we upgrade the hardware.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

I had the same attitude, but our 2011sbs took a shit and we decided it would be 
quicker to swap to hosted exchange than rebuild (gave us the option to build a 
new 2012 active directory and get rid of all the sbs nonsense)
I love it, no messing with firewalls, keeping patches in place, if there is 
ever an issue, i just initiate a ticket and actually get to go home, so much 
better funner

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP emails 
in the cloud but not the core.

Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that maybe 
the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it’s the 
principle of ot

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?

I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for small 
or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
It’s not too hard to manage online.

When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother with client 
email.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth” and my 
Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.

I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.   
I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”

I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.

S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

Paul



Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Rory Conaway]

Not everything can be put on the cloud for various reasons.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

We've been on Google Apps for Bidness for the last few years for internal 
email, calendars, etc. I would never bring it back in house.
On 1/18/2016 4:22 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
I just don�t want our core business email in the cloud.� We do our WISP 
emails in the cloud but not the core.
�
Maybe I am na�ve, but would like to think there are certain things that maybe 
the government might not have access to.� Nothing to hide, but it�s the 
principle of ot
�
Paul
�
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
�
For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?
�
I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for small 
or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
Don�t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
It�s not too hard to manage online.
�
When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don�t bother with 
client email.
�
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
�
Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting �long in the tooth� and 
my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.
�
I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource 
hog.�� I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and �if just works�
�
I don�t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.� Not comfortable with 
my entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.
�
S�. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?
�
Paul
�
�
�
Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
�

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

microsoft has the cheapest rates for the buck bang, plus you know its not a
proprietary implementation of a microsoft product, rackspace exchange was
like that, awful, but i guess theyre reselling 365 now

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
wrote:

> We are running 1 server for everything, an I3 server but we only have
> about 10 mailboxes.  We also have Symantec Mail Security.  I’m looking at
> upgrading shortly.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 3:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP
> emails in the cloud but not the core.
>
>
>
> Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that
> maybe the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it’s
> the principle of ot
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?
>
>
>
> I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for
> small or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
>
> Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
>
> It’s not too hard to manage online.
>
>
>
> When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother with
> client email.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth”
> and my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.
>
>
>
> I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource
> hog.   I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”
>
>
>
> I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with
> my entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.
>
>
>
> S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Rory Conaway]

It was a little more work to set up but hosted Exchange has limitations.  We 
are also planning on adding Sharepoint and integrating some other functions on 
the server when we upgrade the hardware.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

I had the same attitude, but our 2011sbs took a shit and we decided it would be 
quicker to swap to hosted exchange than rebuild (gave us the option to build a 
new 2012 active directory and get rid of all the sbs nonsense)
I love it, no messing with firewalls, keeping patches in place, if there is 
ever an issue, i just initiate a ticket and actually get to go home, so much 
better funner

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP emails 
in the cloud but not the core.

Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that maybe 
the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it’s the 
principle of ot

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?

I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for small 
or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
It’s not too hard to manage online.

When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother with client 
email.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth” and my 
Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.

I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.   
I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”

I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.

S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

Paul



Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Rory Conaway]

We are running 1 server for everything, an I3 server but we only have about 10 
mailboxes.  We also have Symantec Mail Security.  I'm looking at upgrading 
shortly.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

I just don't want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP emails 
in the cloud but not the core.

Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that maybe 
the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it's the 
principle of ot

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?

I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for small 
or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
Don't need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
It's not too hard to manage online.

When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don't bother with client 
email.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting "long in the tooth" and my 
Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.

I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.   
I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and "if just works"

I don't want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.

S What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

Paul



Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[George Skorup]

We've been on Google Apps for Bidness for the last few years for 
internal email, calendars, etc. I would never bring it back in house.


On 1/18/2016 4:22 PM, Paul McCall wrote:


I just don�t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our 
WISP emails in the cloud but not the core.


Maybe I am na�ve, but would like to think there are certain things 
that maybe the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, 
but it�s the principle of ot


Paul

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?

I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine 
for small or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.


Don�t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.

It�s not too hard to manage online.

When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don�t bother 
with client email.


*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
*Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting �long in the 
tooth� and my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other 
options.


I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a 
resource hog.   I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and �if 
just works�


I don�t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable 
with my entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.


S�. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com <http://www.pdmnet.com/>

pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Christopher Tyler]

Inhouse Zimbra server.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:02:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

OS2

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth” and my 
Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.

 

I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.   
I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”

 

I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.

 

S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

 

Paul

 

 

 

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband 

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com

pa...@pdmnet.net

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Chuck McCown]

OS2

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth” and my 
Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.

 

I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.   
I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”

 

I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.

 

S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

 

Paul

 

 

 

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband 

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com

pa...@pdmnet.net

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Sterling Jacobson]

OS/2 you mean.

Or CP/M?

lol

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

OS2

From: Paul McCall<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth” and my 
Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.

I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.   
I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”

I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.

S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

Paul



Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Adam Moffett]

I worked at a place that used Merak Icewarp.  I think they have a linux 
version.  Your mobile devices can't tell the difference between that and 
Exchange, but you have to install a plugin to use it with Outlook.  Once 
that plugin is installed you can't tell the difference on your desktop 
either.


I'm not sure how the price compares to MS Small business.

On 1/18/2016 5:01 PM, Paul McCall wrote:


Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting �long in the 
tooth� and my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other 
options.


I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a 
resource hog.   I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and �if 
just works�


I don�t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable 
with my entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.


S�. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com 

pa...@pdmnet.net 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I had the same attitude, but our 2011sbs took a shit and we decided it
would be quicker to swap to hosted exchange than rebuild (gave us the
option to build a new 2012 active directory and get rid of all the sbs
nonsense)
I love it, no messing with firewalls, keeping patches in place, if there is
ever an issue, i just initiate a ticket and actually get to go home, so
much better funner

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

> I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP
> emails in the cloud but not the core.
>
>
>
> Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that
> maybe the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it’s
> the principle of ot
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?
>
>
>
> I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for
> small or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
>
> Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
>
> It’s not too hard to manage online.
>
>
>
> When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother with
> client email.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth”
> and my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.
>
>
>
> I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource
> hog.   I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”
>
>
>
> I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with
> my entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.
>
>
>
> S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Paul McCall]

I just don't want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP emails 
in the cloud but not the core.

Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that maybe 
the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it's the 
principle of ot

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?

I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for small 
or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
Don't need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
It's not too hard to manage online.

When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don't bother with client 
email.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting "long in the tooth" and my 
Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.

I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.   
I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and "if just works"

I don't want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.

S What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

Paul



Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Paul McCall]

I know, I know   Let me dream a little :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

There's nothing stopping them from recording it off the wire and decrypting it 
there (if encrypted).

It's already being done, honestly.

I understand you think it's the principle of the thing, but we live in a day 
and age where everything we do is tracked and recorded, and there's really no 
true way to get away from it. Someone interested enough could probably real 
them in almost real-time.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
> I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our 
> WISP emails in the cloud but not the core.
>
>
>
> Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things 
> that maybe the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, 
> but it’s the principle of ot
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?
>
>
>
> I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine 
> for small or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
>
> Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
>
> It’s not too hard to manage online.
>
>
>
> When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother 
> with client email.
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the 
> tooth” and my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.
>
>
>
> I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.
> I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”
>
>
>
> I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable 
> with my entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.
>
>
>
> S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Josh Reynolds]

VMs have to run on hosts... kind of :)

Storage servers doing ISCSI exports, and obviously appliances.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
> I honestly don't care about the government reading my crap.
> If they want that kind of boredom, more power to them.
>
> My biggest concern is a failure in the cloud, or cloud hosted VM's.
>
> I recently made the mistake of letting Windows Update install a Suse network 
> driver over my KVM based VM image.
>
> That killed one of my VM's and it took me a while to figure out how to 
> recover from that.
>
> But most VM host companies do image and delta backups that make it point and 
> click restore.
>
> I can span the images across the country and bring up anywhere they have 
> locations.
>
> And I can download VM images directly from the site and they pull up in my 
> Win 10 HyperV host with a simple conversion.
>
> Quite remarkable.
>
> I wonder that anyone uses bare metal anything now days.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:32 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
> I know, I know   Let me dream a little :)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:25 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
> There's nothing stopping them from recording it off the wire and decrypting 
> it there (if encrypted).
>
> It's already being done, honestly.
>
> I understand you think it's the principle of the thing, but we live in a day 
> and age where everything we do is tracked and recorded, and there's really no 
> true way to get away from it. Someone interested enough could probably real 
> them in almost real-time.
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>> I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our
>> WISP emails in the cloud but not the core.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things
>> that maybe the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide,
>> but it’s the principle of ot
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
>> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>>
>>
>>
>> For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?
>>
>>
>>
>> I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine
>> for small or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
>>
>> Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
>>
>> It’s not too hard to manage online.
>>
>>
>>
>> When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother
>> with client email.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
>> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>>
>>
>>
>> Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the
>> tooth” and my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.
>> I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable
>> with my entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.
>>
>>
>>
>> S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>>
>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800 office
>>
>> 772-473-0352 cell
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Bill Prince]

I know a guy in Santa Cruz who is an OS2 expert. There are a couple 
dozen OS2 applications still in the wild that keep him very well employed.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/18/2016 2:03 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

OS2
*From:* Paul McCall <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
*Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 3:01 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the 
tooth” and my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other 
options.


I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a 
resource hog.   I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if 
just works”


I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable 
with my entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.


S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com <http://www.pdmnet.com/>

pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Josh Reynolds]

There's nothing stopping them from recording it off the wire and
decrypting it there (if encrypted).

It's already being done, honestly.

I understand you think it's the principle of the thing, but we live in
a day and age where everything we do is tracked and recorded, and
there's really no true way to get away from it. Someone interested
enough could probably real them in almost real-time.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
> I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP
> emails in the cloud but not the core.
>
>
>
> Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that
> maybe the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it’s
> the principle of ot
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?
>
>
>
> I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for
> small or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
>
> Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
>
> It’s not too hard to manage online.
>
>
>
> When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother with
> client email.
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth” and
> my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.
>
>
>
> I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.
> I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”
>
>
>
> I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with
> my entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.
>
>
>
> S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Sterling Jacobson]

For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?

I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for small 
or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
Don't need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
It's not too hard to manage online.

When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don't bother with client 
email.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting "long in the tooth" and my 
Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.

I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.   
I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and "if just works"

I don't want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with my 
entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.

S What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?

Paul



Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Sterling Jacobson]

I honestly don't care about the government reading my crap.
If they want that kind of boredom, more power to them.

My biggest concern is a failure in the cloud, or cloud hosted VM's.

I recently made the mistake of letting Windows Update install a Suse network 
driver over my KVM based VM image.

That killed one of my VM's and it took me a while to figure out how to recover 
from that.

But most VM host companies do image and delta backups that make it point and 
click restore.

I can span the images across the country and bring up anywhere they have 
locations.

And I can download VM images directly from the site and they pull up in my Win 
10 HyperV host with a simple conversion.

Quite remarkable.

I wonder that anyone uses bare metal anything now days.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

I know, I know   Let me dream a little :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

There's nothing stopping them from recording it off the wire and decrypting it 
there (if encrypted).

It's already being done, honestly.

I understand you think it's the principle of the thing, but we live in a day 
and age where everything we do is tracked and recorded, and there's really no 
true way to get away from it. Someone interested enough could probably real 
them in almost real-time.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
> I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our 
> WISP emails in the cloud but not the core.
>
>
>
> Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things 
> that maybe the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, 
> but it’s the principle of ot
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?
>
>
>
> I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine 
> for small or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
>
> Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
>
> It’s not too hard to manage online.
>
>
>
> When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother 
> with client email.
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the 
> tooth” and my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.
>
>
>
> I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource hog.
> I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”
>
>
>
> I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable 
> with my entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.
>
>
>
> S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Jaime Solorza]

on a PS2 serverha...the PS stood for piece of Shit

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> OS2
>
> *From:* Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 3:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
> Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth”
> and my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.
>
>
>
> I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource
> hog.   I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”
>
>
>
> I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with
> my entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.
>
>
>
> S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>