Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
Yeah, no...that explanation makes no sense to me. ENBs made for the mobile market exclusively employ local offload and enforce NAT? Pretty sure not. If anything, mobile providers are GTP-U tunneling customer traffic to a central PGW where the NAT happens (if it happens). The best "Occam's razor" answer I can manage to come up with is that since fixed wireless providers are *not* likely to have their own 3GPP cores, and since they've stated that they are trying to make deployment for providers as easy as possible, and since the software is still being baked, they are probably trying to cover the widest Venn-diagram section of use-cases possible with the amount of time and effort they currently have available to spend (most bang for their engineering buck). Let's face it: a good chunk of fixed regional operators do not have enough v4 addresses to cover all of their end-users, and they already NAT a vast majority of them. So Baicells probably thought, for us to start getting results back from the trial as quickly as possible, we need to remove as much friction as possible from the chore of getting these ENBs in the air. So rather than requiring providers to spend a bunch of time configuring a gateway and figuring out how to set up an IP pool for an address block that they define, they would just have the trial participants hand the ENB a single IP and have it locally NAT user traffic, which is the simplest configuration possible that covers the widest likely set of use-cases. That's not to say that they won't make it more flexible in the future. At least, I certainly *hope* not. -- Nathan -Original Message- From: craig at skywaveconnect.com (Craig Schmaderer) [mailto:craig at skywaveconnect.com (Craig Schmaderer)] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 8:12 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? I think it is because they are using the software they use over in china for cell phone (mobile) deployment. This is their first run at fixed, so some features we take as normal are not always that way in the mobile market. It was not started that way from scratch is what I am being told. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces at afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 10:05 AM To: af at afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? I'm not sure why someone thought NAT needed to be done at the eNB in the first place. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Craig Schmaderer" mailto:craig at skywaveconnect.com>> To: af at afmug.com<mailto:af at afmug.com> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 10:01:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? I just got this email from that customer this morning?.. The NAT issue is a big thing Baicells is working on with the software, remember it is still heavily in beta?. FYI - that radio worked pretty good during the storm Friday night. We lost power in Dodge for about an hour, but as soon as it came back on I checked it. Even in heavy rain and wind with those trees moving all over the place, I was still easily pulling 30-35. I also got a chance to test out some gaming on the Xbox. The latency is awesome and good enough for any type of game, but the multiple NATs are an issue. My NAT type is listed as ?Strict?, which is the worst on the scale (Open, Moderate, Strict). Once we can do bridging on the CPE, I don?t see any reason why the NAT shouldn?t be detected as ?Open.? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces at afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 9:39 AM To: af at afmug.com<mailto:af at afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? Its not bad, I need to do more testing, but it seems to be around 10-15ms or. Don?t quote me on that though ?? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces at afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 8:48 AM To: af at afmug.com<mailto:af at afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? Latency? From: Craig Schmaderer<mailto:craig at skywaveconnect.com> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 7:45 AM To: af at afmug.com<mailto:af at afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? I don?t have any 3.65 450 or wimax gear to compare it to, but so far nlos probably has exceeded my expectations. We are trying to cover a town of about 400 homes and the tower is on the edge, all the main links will be between .5 and 1 mile and so far we have 3 links going through anywhere between 3 and 7 trees. If it is just 1 or 2 trees you barely notice a speed drop. This link gets around 70mb down and 7mb up. We have the LTE set to subframe 3:1 so LOS results will get you about 90mb down and 8ish up. Our worst link so far which goes through a lot of stuff gets around 40mb down
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
Can't see the tree in the forest? =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Peter Kranz wrote: > Illustrating the directional multi-spectrum technology? > > > > > *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/> > Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 > Mobile: 510-207- > pkr...@unwiredltd.com > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy > /sarcasm > *Sent:* Friday, June 24, 2016 11:11 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? > > > > I found Baicells new animated marketing logo > > https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEjHKpLe4Ax4v8VzO/giphy.gif > > rt of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >
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Illustrating the directional multi-spectrum technology? Peter Kranz <http://www.unwiredltd.com/> www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com> pkr...@unwiredltd.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 11:11 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? I found Baicells new animated marketing logo https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEjHKpLe4Ax4v8VzO/giphy.gif rt of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
I found Baicells new animated marketing logo https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEjHKpLe4Ax4v8VzO/giphy.gif On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: > Josh, > > > > Here is a short video describing RSRP (Reference Signal Received Power) > calculations in LTE. As most LTE is used in Mobile operations, this > measurement is necessary for cellular handoffs, CINR measurements, etc. > This is comparable to RSSI that most WISPs are used to. > > > > > http://lteuniversity.com/get_trained/video_tutorials/m/videotutorials/11523.aspx > > > > RSRP (Reference Signal Receive Power) is the average power of Resource > Elements (RE) that carry cell specific Reference Signals (RS) over the > entire bandwidth, so RSRP is only measured in the symbols carrying RS. > While RSSI (Received Signal Strength Indicator) is a parameter which > provides information about total received wide-band power (measure in all > symbols) including all interference and thermal noise. > > So it would be safe to write that, in LTE, RSRP provides information about > signal strength and RSSI helps in determining interference and noise > information. This is the reason, RSRQ (Reference Signal Receive Quality) > measurement and calculation is based on both RSRP and RSSI. > > Here is another tutorial about RSSI vs. RSRP > > > http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/entry-308-rssi-vs-rsrp-a-brief-lte-signal-strength-primer/ > > Respectfully, > > > > *Rick Harnish* > > Director of WISP Markets > > Baicells Technologies, N.A. > > Mobile: +1.972.922.1443 > > Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com > > Follow us on Facebook for the latest news > <https://www.facebook.com/BaiCells> > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2016 2:06 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? > > > > -80 dBm or -80 in the LTE measurement? I know there are two different > values and they vary greatly, but I'm not sure on the details. > > > > I don't believe the 12 meg would be the entire AP's capacity at that > distance/range/signal, especially with LTE (think 1 bar on your cell phone > not taking out the entire Verizon tower). > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > wrote: > > Isnt the NLOS performance a direct trade-off vs throughput though? I > remember when the Telrad guys were showing this link that was miles away > through all these trees connecting in the -80's and they were all excited > that it was still pushing 12mbps to that CPE. But at the expense of it was > consuming 100% of the AP's total resources (airtime) . So basically just > take a 450 AP and run every connected client in 1x or 2x mode and that will > be the same thing as trying to push an LTE system to the limits. Am I wrong? > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > > NLOS > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > wrote: > > 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years > ago on a whole lot more solid software/firmware. > > > > So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the > Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full > speed? > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer < > cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: > > I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware so > far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for > comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is > to be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our > links. 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. > > Craig Schmaderer > Cell 402-380-1245 > Skywave Wireless, Inc. > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" < > cstann...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram from > Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < > thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick ended > up in a knife fight? > > > > On Fri, Jun 17,
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Josh, Here is a short video describing RSRP (Reference Signal Received Power) calculations in LTE. As most LTE is used in Mobile operations, this measurement is necessary for cellular handoffs, CINR measurements, etc. This is comparable to RSSI that most WISPs are used to. <http://lteuniversity.com/get_trained/video_tutorials/m/videotutorials/11523.aspx> http://lteuniversity.com/get_trained/video_tutorials/m/videotutorials/11523.aspx RSRP (Reference Signal Receive Power) is the average power of Resource Elements (RE) that carry cell specific Reference Signals (RS) over the entire bandwidth, so RSRP is only measured in the symbols carrying RS. While RSSI (Received Signal Strength Indicator) is a parameter which provides information about total received wide-band power (measure in all symbols) including all interference and thermal noise. So it would be safe to write that, in LTE, RSRP provides information about signal strength and RSSI helps in determining interference and noise information. This is the reason, RSRQ (Reference Signal Receive Quality) measurement and calculation is based on both RSRP and RSSI. Here is another tutorial about RSSI vs. RSRP <http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/entry-308-rssi-vs-rsrp-a-brief-lte-signal-strength-primer/> http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/entry-308-rssi-vs-rsrp-a-brief-lte-signal-strength-primer/ Respectfully, Rick Harnish Director of WISP Markets Baicells Technologies, N.A. Mobile: +1.972.922.1443 Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com <https://www.facebook.com/BaiCells> Follow us on Facebook for the latest news From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 2:06 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? -80 dBm or -80 in the LTE measurement? I know there are two different values and they vary greatly, but I'm not sure on the details. I don't believe the 12 meg would be the entire AP's capacity at that distance/range/signal, especially with LTE (think 1 bar on your cell phone not taking out the entire Verizon tower). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote: Isnt the NLOS performance a direct trade-off vs throughput though? I remember when the Telrad guys were showing this link that was miles away through all these trees connecting in the -80's and they were all excited that it was still pushing 12mbps to that CPE. But at the expense of it was consuming 100% of the AP's total resources (airtime) . So basically just take a 450 AP and run every connected client in 1x or 2x mode and that will be the same thing as trying to push an LTE system to the limits. Am I wrong? On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: NLOS Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote: 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years ago on a whole lot more solid software/firmware. So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full speed? On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com> > wrote: I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware so far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is to be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our links. 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. Craig Schmaderer Cell 402-380-1245 Skywave Wireless, Inc. On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" mailto:cstann...@gmail.com> > wrote: Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram from Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick ended up in a knife fight? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote: Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials going on right now? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman mailto
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What price point are they trying to hit? On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Joe Novak wrote: > From talking to them at wispa america they are well aware of what price > points they are trying to hit across the board in my opinion. I had a sense > of the 450i was not targeted towards wireless ISPs as much as it was to get > into that lucrative government 4.9/5.x space with hardened equipment. > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Mathew Howard > wrote: > >> That makes if they're waiting until next year for 3ghz, considering the >> current state of the rules. >> >> I think there's a pretty good chance they won't have license keys for the >> SMs, considering that they don't with the 450i. >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:53 PM, George Skorup wrote: >> >>> FYI, on the 450d SM, they are giving us 40Mbps out of the box. Well, >>> after you upgrade it to 14.1.1 or higher I believe. We haven't bought any >>> 450d's. Waiting for a stable 14.x release. >>> >>> On 6/20/2016 5:23 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote: >>> >>> LMAO! �No license keys on the sm. Thats wishful thinking. �:) >>> >>> Craig Schmaderer >>> Cell 402-380-1245 >>> Skywave Wireless, Inc. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:17 PM -0500, "Daniel White" >> > wrote: >>> >>> Since they will kill me if I say anything before they lift the >>> embargo� I�d encourage you to attend: >>> >>> � >>> >>> >>> <http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/cnMedusa-Go-Massive-Live-Stream/m-p/55360#U55360> >>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/cnMedusa-Go-Massive-Live-Stream/m-p/55360#U55360 >>> >>> � >>> >>> Daniel White >>> >>> Managing Director � Hardware Distribution Sales >>> >>> ConVergence Technologies >>> >>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 >>> >>> dwh...@converge-tech.com >>> >>> � >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On >>> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard >>> *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2016 4:11 PM >>> *To:* af >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? >>> >>> � >>> >>> It's going to be interesting to see how they price Medusa. If they keep >>> it more in line with the PMP450i 900mhz pricing (with no license keys on >>> the SMs), then it will be pretty interesting... it could very well beat LTE >>> in every way that I care about (for the near future, anyway). >>> >>> Have they said what bands Medusa is going to be available in yet? >>> >>> � >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Craig Schmaderer < >>> cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: >>> >>> 5k being high in typical cambium fashion. That is what i hear on >>> nlos.� Ive talked to people with 3.65 450 and most of them say they still >>> try to avoid a tree.� We are seeing a tree being easy.� Its more like >>> do you think we can make it through those 2 blocks of trees.� I always >>> hate getting excited about a product when nlos comes into play because you >>> are always let down.� But when that trial customer emailed me this >>> morning and told me how well it worked through that storm it's kind of hard >>> not to get excited. � >>> >>> Craig Schmaderer >>> Cell 402-380-1245 >>> Skywave Wireless, Inc. >>> >>> � >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:44 PM -0500, "Josh Luthman" < >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> >>> You think 5k is low or high?� I'm not getting any NLOS hype from >>> anything pmp450. >>> >>> >>> � >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> � >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Craig Schmaderer < >>> cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: >>> >>> Cambium Medusa webinar launch is what I would guess he is talking about, >>> its on wednesday.� Rivision 10 LTE as far as I know will include >>> everything Medusa will do.� I think next year is when we will start >>> seeing R10 chips hit the market and manufactures will start adopting it.� &
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>From talking to them at wispa america they are well aware of what price points they are trying to hit across the board in my opinion. I had a sense of the 450i was not targeted towards wireless ISPs as much as it was to get into that lucrative government 4.9/5.x space with hardened equipment. On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > That makes if they're waiting until next year for 3ghz, considering the > current state of the rules. > > I think there's a pretty good chance they won't have license keys for the > SMs, considering that they don't with the 450i. > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:53 PM, George Skorup wrote: > >> FYI, on the 450d SM, they are giving us 40Mbps out of the box. Well, >> after you upgrade it to 14.1.1 or higher I believe. We haven't bought any >> 450d's. Waiting for a stable 14.x release. >> >> On 6/20/2016 5:23 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote: >> >> LMAO! �No license keys on the sm. Thats wishful thinking. �:) >> >> Craig Schmaderer >> Cell 402-380-1245 >> Skywave Wireless, Inc. >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:17 PM -0500, "Daniel White" >> wrote: >> >> Since they will kill me if I say anything before they lift the embargo� >> I�d encourage you to attend: >> >> � >> >> >> <http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/cnMedusa-Go-Massive-Live-Stream/m-p/55360#U55360> >> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/cnMedusa-Go-Massive-Live-Stream/m-p/55360#U55360 >> >> � >> >> Daniel White >> >> Managing Director � Hardware Distribution Sales >> >> ConVergence Technologies >> >> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 >> >> dwh...@converge-tech.com >> >> � >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On >> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard >> *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2016 4:11 PM >> *To:* af >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? >> >> � >> >> It's going to be interesting to see how they price Medusa. If they keep >> it more in line with the PMP450i 900mhz pricing (with no license keys on >> the SMs), then it will be pretty interesting... it could very well beat LTE >> in every way that I care about (for the near future, anyway). >> >> Have they said what bands Medusa is going to be available in yet? >> >> � >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Craig Schmaderer < >> cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: >> >> 5k being high in typical cambium fashion. That is what i hear on nlos.� >> Ive talked to people with 3.65 450 and most of them say they still try to >> avoid a tree.� We are seeing a tree being easy.� Its more like do you >> think we can make it through those 2 blocks of trees.� I always hate >> getting excited about a product when nlos comes into play because you are >> always let down.� But when that trial customer emailed me this morning >> and told me how well it worked through that storm it's kind of hard not to >> get excited. � >> >> Craig Schmaderer >> Cell 402-380-1245 >> Skywave Wireless, Inc. >> >> � >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:44 PM -0500, "Josh Luthman" < >> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >> >> You think 5k is low or high?� I'm not getting any NLOS hype from >> anything pmp450. >> >> >> � >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> � >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Craig Schmaderer < >> cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: >> >> Cambium Medusa webinar launch is what I would guess he is talking about, >> its on wednesday.� Rivision 10 LTE as far as I know will include >> everything Medusa will do.� I think next year is when we will start >> seeing R10 chips hit the market and manufactures will start adopting it.� >> We are 100% cambium right now, have been for over 10 years, but I am always >> looking for something that will work along side other options.� Still >> need to do more testing, but LTE has a better link budget, so your 450 with >> mixed sms running from 1x to 8x should perform better over an average on >> LTE, we just have to do more testing to verify that.� We don�t have any >> 900 or 3.65 450 so im still waiting to hear from other trial providers on >> nlos comparisons.� �If that Medusa Access Point is 5 gran
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I love how cambium is coming out with more product lines. Even if I don't plan on deploying them. The original 450 lines are starting to show up on the used market now at reasonable prices. That's how I got into the PMP100 stuff was buying used equipment. Worked out well. On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:15 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > That makes if they're waiting until next year for 3ghz, considering the > current state of the rules. > > I think there's a pretty good chance they won't have license keys for the > SMs, considering that they don't with the 450i. > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:53 PM, George Skorup wrote: > >> FYI, on the 450d SM, they are giving us 40Mbps out of the box. Well, >> after you upgrade it to 14.1.1 or higher I believe. We haven't bought any >> 450d's. Waiting for a stable 14.x release. >> >> On 6/20/2016 5:23 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote: >> >> LMAO! �No license keys on the sm. Thats wishful thinking. �:) >> >> Craig Schmaderer >> Cell 402-380-1245 >> Skywave Wireless, Inc. >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:17 PM -0500, "Daniel White" >> wrote: >> >> Since they will kill me if I say anything before they lift the embargo� >> I�d encourage you to attend: >> >> � >> >> >> <http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/cnMedusa-Go-Massive-Live-Stream/m-p/55360#U55360> >> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/cnMedusa-Go-Massive-Live-Stream/m-p/55360#U55360 >> >> � >> >> Daniel White >> >> Managing Director � Hardware Distribution Sales >> >> ConVergence Technologies >> >> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 >> >> dwh...@converge-tech.com >> >> � >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On >> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard >> *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2016 4:11 PM >> *To:* af >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? >> >> � >> >> It's going to be interesting to see how they price Medusa. If they keep >> it more in line with the PMP450i 900mhz pricing (with no license keys on >> the SMs), then it will be pretty interesting... it could very well beat LTE >> in every way that I care about (for the near future, anyway). >> >> Have they said what bands Medusa is going to be available in yet? >> >> � >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Craig Schmaderer < >> cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: >> >> 5k being high in typical cambium fashion. That is what i hear on nlos.� >> Ive talked to people with 3.65 450 and most of them say they still try to >> avoid a tree.� We are seeing a tree being easy.� Its more like do you >> think we can make it through those 2 blocks of trees.� I always hate >> getting excited about a product when nlos comes into play because you are >> always let down.� But when that trial customer emailed me this morning >> and told me how well it worked through that storm it's kind of hard not to >> get excited. � >> >> Craig Schmaderer >> Cell 402-380-1245 >> Skywave Wireless, Inc. >> >> � >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:44 PM -0500, "Josh Luthman" < >> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >> >> You think 5k is low or high?� I'm not getting any NLOS hype from >> anything pmp450. >> >> >> � >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> � >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Craig Schmaderer < >> cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: >> >> Cambium Medusa webinar launch is what I would guess he is talking about, >> its on wednesday.� Rivision 10 LTE as far as I know will include >> everything Medusa will do.� I think next year is when we will start >> seeing R10 chips hit the market and manufactures will start adopting it.� >> We are 100% cambium right now, have been for over 10 years, but I am always >> looking for something that will work along side other options.� Still >> need to do more testing, but LTE has a better link budget, so your 450 with >> mixed sms running from 1x to 8x should perform better over an average on >> LTE, we just have to do more testing to verify that.� We don�t have any >> 900 or 3.65 450 so im still waiting to hear from other trial providers on >> nlos comparisons.� �If that Medusa Access Point is 5 grand I�m going >
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
That makes if they're waiting until next year for 3ghz, considering the current state of the rules. I think there's a pretty good chance they won't have license keys for the SMs, considering that they don't with the 450i. On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:53 PM, George Skorup wrote: > FYI, on the 450d SM, they are giving us 40Mbps out of the box. Well, after > you upgrade it to 14.1.1 or higher I believe. We haven't bought any 450d's. > Waiting for a stable 14.x release. > > On 6/20/2016 5:23 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote: > > LMAO! �No license keys on the sm. Thats wishful thinking. �:) > > Craig Schmaderer > Cell 402-380-1245 > Skywave Wireless, Inc. > > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:17 PM -0500, "Daniel White" > wrote: > > Since they will kill me if I say anything before they lift the embargo� > I�d encourage you to attend: > > � > > > <http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/cnMedusa-Go-Massive-Live-Stream/m-p/55360#U55360> > http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/cnMedusa-Go-Massive-Live-Stream/m-p/55360#U55360 > > � > > Daniel White > > Managing Director � Hardware Distribution Sales > > ConVergence Technologies > > Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 > > dwh...@converge-tech.com > > � > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2016 4:11 PM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? > > � > > It's going to be interesting to see how they price Medusa. If they keep it > more in line with the PMP450i 900mhz pricing (with no license keys on the > SMs), then it will be pretty interesting... it could very well beat LTE in > every way that I care about (for the near future, anyway). > > Have they said what bands Medusa is going to be available in yet? > > � > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Craig Schmaderer < > cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: > > 5k being high in typical cambium fashion. That is what i hear on nlos.� > Ive talked to people with 3.65 450 and most of them say they still try to > avoid a tree.� We are seeing a tree being easy.� Its more like do you > think we can make it through those 2 blocks of trees.� I always hate > getting excited about a product when nlos comes into play because you are > always let down.� But when that trial customer emailed me this morning > and told me how well it worked through that storm it's kind of hard not to > get excited. � > > Craig Schmaderer > Cell 402-380-1245 > Skywave Wireless, Inc. > > � > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:44 PM -0500, "Josh Luthman" < > j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > > You think 5k is low or high?� I'm not getting any NLOS hype from > anything pmp450. > > > � > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > � > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Craig Schmaderer < > cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: > > Cambium Medusa webinar launch is what I would guess he is talking about, > its on wednesday.� Rivision 10 LTE as far as I know will include > everything Medusa will do.� I think next year is when we will start > seeing R10 chips hit the market and manufactures will start adopting it.� > We are 100% cambium right now, have been for over 10 years, but I am always > looking for something that will work along side other options.� Still > need to do more testing, but LTE has a better link budget, so your 450 with > mixed sms running from 1x to 8x should perform better over an average on > LTE, we just have to do more testing to verify that.� We don�t have any > 900 or 3.65 450 so im still waiting to hear from other trial providers on > nlos comparisons.� �If that Medusa Access Point is 5 grand I�m going > to * cambium�. > > � > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2016 4:04 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? > > � > > Who's they??? > > > � > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > � > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Josh Reynolds < > j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > > If he told you now, they couldn't tell you on Wednesday. You're not THAT > special. :P > > � > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Josh Luthman < > j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > > This Wednesday?� Why? > &
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
Yeah, they've already talked about it a couple times in "public" now, but all I was able to make was list chatter. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "George Skorup" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 5:49:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? They've already been talking about it. 5GHz later this year and 3GHz next year. Beam steering is on the uplink only. As far as 5GHz anyway due to EIRP. I'm wondering if we'll get downlink steering on 3GHz, but something tells me no. And yeah, I agree. If it's $5k per AP, that's not gonna work for us. $3k would be reasonable. On 6/20/2016 5:16 PM, Daniel White wrote: Since they will kill me if I say anything before they lift the embargo… I’d encourage you to attend: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/cnMedusa-Go-Massive-Live-Stream/m-p/55360#U55360 Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 4:11 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? It's going to be interesting to see how they price Medusa. If they keep it more in line with the PMP450i 900mhz pricing (with no license keys on the SMs), then it will be pretty interesting... it could very well beat LTE in every way that I care about (for the near future, anyway). Have they said what bands Medusa is going to be available in yet? On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Craig Schmaderer < cr...@skywaveconnect.com > wrote: 5k being high in typical cambium fashion. That is what i hear on nlos. Ive talked to people with 3.65 450 and most of them say they still try to avoid a tree. We are seeing a tree being easy. Its more like do you think we can make it through those 2 blocks of trees. I always hate getting excited about a product when nlos comes into play because you are always let down. But when that trial customer emailed me this morning and told me how well it worked through that storm it's kind of hard not to get excited. Craig Schmaderer Cell 402-380-1245 Skywave Wireless, Inc. On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:44 PM -0500, "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: You think 5k is low or high? I'm not getting any NLOS hype from anything pmp450. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Craig Schmaderer < cr...@skywaveconnect.com > wrote: Cambium Medusa webinar launch is what I would guess he is talking about, its on wednesday. Rivision 10 LTE as far as I know will include everything Medusa will do. I think next year is when we will start seeing R10 chips hit the market and manufactures will start adopting it. We are 100% cambium right now, have been for over 10 years, but I am always looking for something that will work along side other options. Still need to do more testing, but LTE has a better link budget, so your 450 with mixed sms running from 1x to 8x should perform better over an average on LTE, we just have to do more testing to verify that. We don’t have any 900 or 3.65 450 so im still waiting to hear from other trial providers on nlos comparisons. If that Medusa Access Point is 5 grand I’m going to * cambium…. From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 4:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? Who's they??? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: If he told you now, they couldn't tell you on Wednesday. You're not THAT special. :P On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: This Wednesday? Why? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Daniel White < afmu...@gmail.com > wrote: I think it will be a whole new conversation on Wednesday. Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 11:22 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years ago on a whole lot more solid software/firmware. So whats
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
FYI, on the 450d SM, they are giving us 40Mbps out of the box. Well,
after you upgrade it to 14.1.1 or higher I believe. We haven't bought
any 450d's. Waiting for a stable 14.x release.
On 6/20/2016 5:23 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
LMAO! No license keys on the sm. Thats wishful thinking. :)
Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:17 PM -0500, "Daniel White"
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Since they will kill me if I say anything before they lift the
embargo� I�d encourage you to attend:
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/cnMedusa-Go-Massive-Live-Stream/m-p/55360#U55360
Daniel White
Managing Director � Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies__
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
dwh...@converge-tech.com <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com>
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2016 4:11 PM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
It's going to be interesting to see how they price Medusa. If they
keep it more in line with the PMP450i 900mhz pricing (with no license
keys on the SMs), then it will be pretty interesting... it could very
well beat LTE in every way that I care about (for the near future,
anyway).
Have they said what bands Medusa is going to be available in yet?
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Craig Schmaderer
mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
5k being high in typical cambium fashion. That is what i hear on
nlos. Ive talked to people with 3.65 450 and most of them say
they still try to avoid a tree. We are seeing a tree being easy.
Its more like do you think we can make it through those 2 blocks
of trees. I always hate getting excited about a product when nlos
comes into play because you are always let down. But when that
trial customer emailed me this morning and told me how well it
worked through that storm it's kind of hard not to get excited.
Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:44 PM -0500, "Josh Luthman"
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:
You think 5k is low or high? I'm not getting any NLOS hype from
anything pmp450.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Craig Schmaderer
mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
Cambium Medusa webinar launch is what I would guess he is
talking about, its on wednesday. Rivision 10 LTE as far as I
know will include everything Medusa will do. I think next
year is when we will start seeing R10 chips hit the market and
manufactures will start adopting it. We are 100% cambium
right now, have been for over 10 years, but I am always
looking for something that will work along side other options.
Still need to do more testing, but LTE has a better link
budget, so your 450 with mixed sms running from 1x to 8x
should perform better over an average on LTE, we just have to
do more testing to verify that. We don�t have any 900 or 3.65
450 so im still waiting to hear from other trial providers on
nlos comparisons. If that Medusa Access Point is 5 grand I�m
going to * cambium�.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2016 4:04 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
Who's they???
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Josh Reynolds
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
If he told you now, they couldn't tell you on Wednesday.
You're not THAT special. :P
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
This Wednesday? Why?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Daniel White
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think it will be a whole new conversation on
Wednesday.
Daniel White
Managing Director � Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
They've already been talking about it. 5GHz later this year and 3GHz
next year. Beam steering is on the uplink only. As far as 5GHz anyway
due to EIRP. I'm wondering if we'll get downlink steering on 3GHz, but
something tells me no.
And yeah, I agree. If it's $5k per AP, that's not gonna work for us. $3k
would be reasonable.
On 6/20/2016 5:16 PM, Daniel White wrote:
Since they will kill me if I say anything before they lift the
embargo… I’d encourage you to attend:
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/cnMedusa-Go-Massive-Live-Stream/m-p/55360#U55360
Daniel White
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies__
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
dwh...@converge-tech.com <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com>
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2016 4:11 PM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
It's going to be interesting to see how they price Medusa. If they
keep it more in line with the PMP450i 900mhz pricing (with no license
keys on the SMs), then it will be pretty interesting... it could very
well beat LTE in every way that I care about (for the near future,
anyway).
Have they said what bands Medusa is going to be available in yet?
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Craig Schmaderer
mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
5k being high in typical cambium fashion. That is what i hear on
nlos. Ive talked to people with 3.65 450 and most of them say
they still try to avoid a tree. We are seeing a tree being easy.
Its more like do you think we can make it through those 2 blocks
of trees. I always hate getting excited about a product when nlos
comes into play because you are always let down. But when that
trial customer emailed me this morning and told me how well it
worked through that storm it's kind of hard not to get excited.
Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:44 PM -0500, "Josh Luthman"
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:
You think 5k is low or high? I'm not getting any NLOS hype from
anything pmp450.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Craig Schmaderer
mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
Cambium Medusa webinar launch is what I would guess he is
talking about, its on wednesday. Rivision 10 LTE as far as I
know will include everything Medusa will do. I think next
year is when we will start seeing R10 chips hit the market and
manufactures will start adopting it. We are 100% cambium
right now, have been for over 10 years, but I am always
looking for something that will work along side other
options. Still need to do more testing, but LTE has a better
link budget, so your 450 with mixed sms running from 1x to 8x
should perform better over an average on LTE, we just have to
do more testing to verify that. We don’t have any 900 or 3.65
450 so im still waiting to hear from other trial providers on
nlos comparisons. If that Medusa Access Point is 5 grand I’m
going to * cambium….
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2016 4:04 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
Who's they???
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Josh Reynolds
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
If he told you now, they couldn't tell you on Wednesday.
You're not THAT special. :P
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
This Wednesday? Why?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Daniel White
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think it will be a whole new conversation on
Wednesday.
Daniel White
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
dwh...@converge-tech.com
<mailto:dwh...@converge
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
you go out to Chaco Canyon for summer solstice alignment gathering at 5 am tomorrow. then all would be revealed On Jun 20, 2016 4:23 PM, "Craig Schmaderer" wrote: > LMAO! No license keys on the sm. Thats wishful thinking. :) > > Craig Schmaderer > Cell 402-380-1245 > Skywave Wireless, Inc. > > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:17 PM -0500, "Daniel White" > wrote: > > Since they will kill me if I say anything before they lift the embargo… > I’d encourage you to attend: > > > > > http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/cnMedusa-Go-Massive-Live-Stream/m-p/55360#U55360 > > > > Daniel White > > Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales > > ConVergence Technologies > > Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 > > dwh...@converge-tech.com > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2016 4:11 PM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? > > > > It's going to be interesting to see how they price Medusa. If they keep it > more in line with the PMP450i 900mhz pricing (with no license keys on the > SMs), then it will be pretty interesting... it could very well beat LTE in > every way that I care about (for the near future, anyway). > > Have they said what bands Medusa is going to be available in yet? > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Craig Schmaderer < > cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: > > 5k being high in typical cambium fashion. That is what i hear on nlos. > Ive talked to people with 3.65 450 and most of them say they still try to > avoid a tree. We are seeing a tree being easy. Its more like do you think > we can make it through those 2 blocks of trees. I always hate getting > excited about a product when nlos comes into play because you are always > let down. But when that trial customer emailed me this morning and told me > how well it worked through that storm it's kind of hard not to get excited. > > > Craig Schmaderer > Cell 402-380-1245 > Skywave Wireless, Inc. > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:44 PM -0500, "Josh Luthman" < > j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > > You think 5k is low or high? I'm not getting any NLOS hype from anything > pmp450. > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Craig Schmaderer < > cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: > > Cambium Medusa webinar launch is what I would guess he is talking about, > its on wednesday. Rivision 10 LTE as far as I know will include everything > Medusa will do. I think next year is when we will start seeing R10 chips > hit the market and manufactures will start adopting it. We are 100% > cambium right now, have been for over 10 years, but I am always looking for > something that will work along side other options. Still need to do more > testing, but LTE has a better link budget, so your 450 with mixed sms > running from 1x to 8x should perform better over an average on LTE, we just > have to do more testing to verify that. We don’t have any 900 or 3.65 450 > so im still waiting to hear from other trial providers on nlos > comparisons. If that Medusa Access Point is 5 grand I’m going to * > cambium…. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2016 4:04 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? > > > > Who's they??? > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Josh Reynolds > wrote: > > If he told you now, they couldn't tell you on Wednesday. You're not THAT > special. :P > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > > This Wednesday? Why? > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Daniel White wrote: > > I think it will be a whole new conversation on Wednesday. > > > > Daniel White > > Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales > > ConVergence Technologies > > Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 > > dwh...@converge-tech.com > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser > *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2016 11:22 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicel
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
LMAO! No license keys on the sm. Thats wishful thinking. :) Craig Schmaderer Cell 402-380-1245 Skywave Wireless, Inc. On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:17 PM -0500, "Daniel White" mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote: Since they will kill me if I say anything before they lift the embargo… I’d encourage you to attend: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/cnMedusa-Go-Massive-Live-Stream/m-p/55360#U55360 Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 dwh...@converge-tech.com<mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 4:11 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? It's going to be interesting to see how they price Medusa. If they keep it more in line with the PMP450i 900mhz pricing (with no license keys on the SMs), then it will be pretty interesting... it could very well beat LTE in every way that I care about (for the near future, anyway). Have they said what bands Medusa is going to be available in yet? On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Craig Schmaderer mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote: 5k being high in typical cambium fashion. That is what i hear on nlos. Ive talked to people with 3.65 450 and most of them say they still try to avoid a tree. We are seeing a tree being easy. Its more like do you think we can make it through those 2 blocks of trees. I always hate getting excited about a product when nlos comes into play because you are always let down. But when that trial customer emailed me this morning and told me how well it worked through that storm it's kind of hard not to get excited. Craig Schmaderer Cell 402-380-1245 Skywave Wireless, Inc. On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:44 PM -0500, "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: You think 5k is low or high? I'm not getting any NLOS hype from anything pmp450. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Craig Schmaderer mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote: Cambium Medusa webinar launch is what I would guess he is talking about, its on wednesday. Rivision 10 LTE as far as I know will include everything Medusa will do. I think next year is when we will start seeing R10 chips hit the market and manufactures will start adopting it. We are 100% cambium right now, have been for over 10 years, but I am always looking for something that will work along side other options. Still need to do more testing, but LTE has a better link budget, so your 450 with mixed sms running from 1x to 8x should perform better over an average on LTE, we just have to do more testing to verify that. We don’t have any 900 or 3.65 450 so im still waiting to hear from other trial providers on nlos comparisons. If that Medusa Access Point is 5 grand I’m going to * cambium…. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 4:04 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? Who's they??? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote: If he told you now, they couldn't tell you on Wednesday. You're not THAT special. :P On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: This Wednesday? Why? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Daniel White mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote: I think it will be a whole new conversation on Wednesday. Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 dwh...@converge-tech.com<mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 11:22 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years ago on a whole lot more solid software/firmware. So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full speed? On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote: I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware so far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is to be expected with R9 LTE. I
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
Since they will kill me if I say anything before they lift the embargo… I’d encourage you to attend: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/cnMedusa-Go-Massive-Live-Stream/m-p/55360#U55360 Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 4:11 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? It's going to be interesting to see how they price Medusa. If they keep it more in line with the PMP450i 900mhz pricing (with no license keys on the SMs), then it will be pretty interesting... it could very well beat LTE in every way that I care about (for the near future, anyway). Have they said what bands Medusa is going to be available in yet? On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Craig Schmaderer mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com> > wrote: 5k being high in typical cambium fashion. That is what i hear on nlos. Ive talked to people with 3.65 450 and most of them say they still try to avoid a tree. We are seeing a tree being easy. Its more like do you think we can make it through those 2 blocks of trees. I always hate getting excited about a product when nlos comes into play because you are always let down. But when that trial customer emailed me this morning and told me how well it worked through that storm it's kind of hard not to get excited. Craig Schmaderer Cell 402-380-1245 Skywave Wireless, Inc. On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:44 PM -0500, "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: You think 5k is low or high? I'm not getting any NLOS hype from anything pmp450. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Craig Schmaderer mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com> > wrote: Cambium Medusa webinar launch is what I would guess he is talking about, its on wednesday. Rivision 10 LTE as far as I know will include everything Medusa will do. I think next year is when we will start seeing R10 chips hit the market and manufactures will start adopting it. We are 100% cambium right now, have been for over 10 years, but I am always looking for something that will work along side other options. Still need to do more testing, but LTE has a better link budget, so your 450 with mixed sms running from 1x to 8x should perform better over an average on LTE, we just have to do more testing to verify that. We don’t have any 900 or 3.65 450 so im still waiting to hear from other trial providers on nlos comparisons. If that Medusa Access Point is 5 grand I’m going to * cambium…. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 4:04 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? Who's they??? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote: If he told you now, they couldn't tell you on Wednesday. You're not THAT special. :P On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: This Wednesday? Why? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Daniel White mailto:afmu...@gmail.com> > wrote: I think it will be a whole new conversation on Wednesday. Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto: <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 11:22 AM To: <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years ago on a whole lot more solid software/firmware. So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full speed? On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com> > wrote: I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware so far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is to be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our links. 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. Craig Schmaderer Cell 402-380-1245 Skywav
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
It's going to be interesting to see how they price Medusa. If they keep it more in line with the PMP450i 900mhz pricing (with no license keys on the SMs), then it will be pretty interesting... it could very well beat LTE in every way that I care about (for the near future, anyway). Have they said what bands Medusa is going to be available in yet? On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote: > 5k being high in typical cambium fashion. That is what i hear on nlos. > Ive talked to people with 3.65 450 and most of them say they still try to > avoid a tree. We are seeing a tree being easy. Its more like do you think > we can make it through those 2 blocks of trees. I always hate getting > excited about a product when nlos comes into play because you are always > let down. But when that trial customer emailed me this morning and told me > how well it worked through that storm it's kind of hard not to get excited. > > > Craig Schmaderer > Cell 402-380-1245 > Skywave Wireless, Inc. > > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:44 PM -0500, "Josh Luthman" < > j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > > You think 5k is low or high? I'm not getting any NLOS hype from anything > pmp450. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Craig Schmaderer < > cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: > >> Cambium Medusa webinar launch is what I would guess he is talking about, >> its on wednesday. Rivision 10 LTE as far as I know will include everything >> Medusa will do. I think next year is when we will start seeing R10 chips >> hit the market and manufactures will start adopting it. We are 100% >> cambium right now, have been for over 10 years, but I am always looking for >> something that will work along side other options. Still need to do more >> testing, but LTE has a better link budget, so your 450 with mixed sms >> running from 1x to 8x should perform better over an average on LTE, we just >> have to do more testing to verify that. We don’t have any 900 or 3.65 450 >> so im still waiting to hear from other trial providers on nlos >> comparisons. If that Medusa Access Point is 5 grand I’m going to ***** >> cambium…. >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman >> *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2016 4:04 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? >> >> >> >> Who's they??? >> >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Josh Reynolds >> wrote: >> >> If he told you now, they couldn't tell you on Wednesday. You're not THAT >> special. :P >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Josh Luthman < >> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >> >> This Wednesday? Why? >> >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Daniel White wrote: >> >> I think it will be a whole new conversation on Wednesday. >> >> >> >> Daniel White >> >> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales >> >> ConVergence Technologies >> >> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 >> >> dwh...@converge-tech.com >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser >> *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2016 11:22 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? >> >> >> >> 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years >> ago on a whole lot more solid software/firmware. >> >> >> >> So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the >> Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full >> speed? >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer < >> cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: >> >> I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware so >> far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for >> comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is >> to be expected with R
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
5k being high in typical cambium fashion. That is what i hear on nlos. Ive talked to people with 3.65 450 and most of them say they still try to avoid a tree. We are seeing a tree being easy. Its more like do you think we can make it through those 2 blocks of trees. I always hate getting excited about a product when nlos comes into play because you are always let down. But when that trial customer emailed me this morning and told me how well it worked through that storm it's kind of hard not to get excited. Craig Schmaderer Cell 402-380-1245 Skywave Wireless, Inc. On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:44 PM -0500, "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: You think 5k is low or high? I'm not getting any NLOS hype from anything pmp450. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Craig Schmaderer mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote: Cambium Medusa webinar launch is what I would guess he is talking about, its on wednesday. Rivision 10 LTE as far as I know will include everything Medusa will do. I think next year is when we will start seeing R10 chips hit the market and manufactures will start adopting it. We are 100% cambium right now, have been for over 10 years, but I am always looking for something that will work along side other options. Still need to do more testing, but LTE has a better link budget, so your 450 with mixed sms running from 1x to 8x should perform better over an average on LTE, we just have to do more testing to verify that. We don't have any 900 or 3.65 450 so im still waiting to hear from other trial providers on nlos comparisons. If that Medusa Access Point is 5 grand I'm going to * cambium From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 4:04 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? Who's they??? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote: If he told you now, they couldn't tell you on Wednesday. You're not THAT special. :P On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: This Wednesday? Why? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Daniel White mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote: I think it will be a whole new conversation on Wednesday. Daniel White Managing Director - Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 dwh...@converge-tech.com<mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 11:22 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years ago on a whole lot more solid software/firmware. So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full speed? On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote: I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware so far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is to be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our links. 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. Craig Schmaderer Cell 402-380-1245 Skywave Wireless, Inc. On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote: Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram from Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick ended up in a knife fight? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote: Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials going on right now? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
You think 5k is low or high? I'm not getting any NLOS hype from anything pmp450. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote: > Cambium Medusa webinar launch is what I would guess he is talking about, > its on wednesday. Rivision 10 LTE as far as I know will include everything > Medusa will do. I think next year is when we will start seeing R10 chips > hit the market and manufactures will start adopting it. We are 100% > cambium right now, have been for over 10 years, but I am always looking for > something that will work along side other options. Still need to do more > testing, but LTE has a better link budget, so your 450 with mixed sms > running from 1x to 8x should perform better over an average on LTE, we just > have to do more testing to verify that. We don’t have any 900 or 3.65 450 > so im still waiting to hear from other trial providers on nlos > comparisons. If that Medusa Access Point is 5 grand I’m going to * > cambium…. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2016 4:04 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? > > > > Who's they??? > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Josh Reynolds > wrote: > > If he told you now, they couldn't tell you on Wednesday. You're not THAT > special. :P > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > > This Wednesday? Why? > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Daniel White wrote: > > I think it will be a whole new conversation on Wednesday. > > > > Daniel White > > Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales > > ConVergence Technologies > > Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 > > dwh...@converge-tech.com > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser > *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2016 11:22 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? > > > > 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years > ago on a whole lot more solid software/firmware. > > > > So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the > Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full > speed? > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer < > cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: > > I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware so > far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for > comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is > to be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our > links. 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. > > Craig Schmaderer > Cell 402-380-1245 > Skywave Wireless, Inc. > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" < > cstann...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram from > Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < > thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick ended > up in a knife fight? > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > > Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > wrote: > > Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials > going on right now? > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? Care to > comment on/off list? > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > > > > > > > > [image: > https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/2016/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange_184x116-v1.png] > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=oa-2322-b> > > Virus-free > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=oa-2322-b> > > > > > > >
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
Cambium Medusa webinar launch is what I would guess he is talking about, its on wednesday. Rivision 10 LTE as far as I know will include everything Medusa will do. I think next year is when we will start seeing R10 chips hit the market and manufactures will start adopting it. We are 100% cambium right now, have been for over 10 years, but I am always looking for something that will work along side other options. Still need to do more testing, but LTE has a better link budget, so your 450 with mixed sms running from 1x to 8x should perform better over an average on LTE, we just have to do more testing to verify that. We don’t have any 900 or 3.65 450 so im still waiting to hear from other trial providers on nlos comparisons. If that Medusa Access Point is 5 grand I’m going to * cambium…. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 4:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? Who's they??? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote: If he told you now, they couldn't tell you on Wednesday. You're not THAT special. :P On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: This Wednesday? Why? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Daniel White mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote: I think it will be a whole new conversation on Wednesday. Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 dwh...@converge-tech.com<mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 11:22 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years ago on a whole lot more solid software/firmware. So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full speed? On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote: I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware so far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is to be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our links. 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. Craig Schmaderer Cell 402-380-1245 Skywave Wireless, Inc. On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote: Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram from Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick ended up in a knife fight? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote: Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials going on right now? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? Care to comment on/off list? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/2016/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange_184x116-v1.png]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=oa-2322-b> Virus-free<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=oa-2322-b>
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
If he told you now, they couldn't tell you on Wednesday. You're not THAT special. :P On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > This Wednesday? Why? > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Daniel White wrote: > >> I think it will be a whole new conversation on Wednesday. >> >> >> >> Daniel White >> >> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales >> >> ConVergence Technologies >> >> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 >> >> dwh...@converge-tech.com >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser >> *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2016 11:22 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? >> >> >> >> 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years >> ago on a whole lot more solid software/firmware. >> >> >> >> So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the >> Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full >> speed? >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer < >> cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: >> >> I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware so >> far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for >> comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is >> to be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our >> links. 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. >> >> Craig Schmaderer >> Cell 402-380-1245 >> Skywave Wireless, Inc. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" < >> cstann...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram >> from Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < >> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick ended >> up in a knife fight? >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman < >> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >> >> Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! >> >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < >> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials >> going on right now? >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman < >> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >> >> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? Care >> to comment on/off list? >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=oa-2322-b> >> Virus-free >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=oa-2322-b> >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
Who's they??? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > If he told you now, they couldn't tell you on Wednesday. You're not THAT > special. :P > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> This Wednesday? Why? >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Daniel White wrote: >> >>> I think it will be a whole new conversation on Wednesday. >>> >>> >>> >>> Daniel White >>> >>> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales >>> >>> ConVergence Technologies >>> >>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 >>> >>> dwh...@converge-tech.com >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser >>> *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2016 11:22 AM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? >>> >>> >>> >>> 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years >>> ago on a whole lot more solid software/firmware. >>> >>> >>> >>> So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the >>> Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full >>> speed? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer < >>> cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: >>> >>> I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware so >>> far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for >>> comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is >>> to be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our >>> links. 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. >>> >>> Craig Schmaderer >>> Cell 402-380-1245 >>> Skywave Wireless, Inc. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" < >>> cstann...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram >>> from Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < >>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick >>> ended up in a knife fight? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman < >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> >>> Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < >>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials >>> going on right now? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman < >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> >>> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? Care >>> to comment on/off list? >>> >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=oa-2322-b> >>> Virus-free >>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=oa-2322-b> >>> >> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
This Wednesday? Why? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Daniel White wrote: > I think it will be a whole new conversation on Wednesday. > > > > Daniel White > > Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales > > ConVergence Technologies > > Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 > > dwh...@converge-tech.com > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser > *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2016 11:22 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? > > > > 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years > ago on a whole lot more solid software/firmware. > > > > So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the > Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full > speed? > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer < > cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: > > I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware so > far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for > comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is > to be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our > links. 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. > > Craig Schmaderer > Cell 402-380-1245 > Skywave Wireless, Inc. > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" < > cstann...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram from > Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < > thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick ended > up in a knife fight? > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > > Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > wrote: > > Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials > going on right now? > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? Care to > comment on/off list? > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > > > > > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=oa-2322-b> > Virus-free > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=oa-2322-b> >
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
I think it will be a whole new conversation on Wednesday. Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 11:22 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years ago on a whole lot more solid software/firmware. So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full speed? On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com> > wrote: I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware so far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is to be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our links. 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. Craig Schmaderer Cell 402-380-1245 Skywave Wireless, Inc. On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" mailto:cstann...@gmail.com> > wrote: Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram from Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick ended up in a knife fight? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote: Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials going on right now? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? Care to comment on/off list? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
I could be wrong (since I have no experience with LTE), but I think LTE is probably going to handle the weak clients better than 450 is. I don't see how it couldn't be at least somewhat of a trade-off with throughput, but I think the LTE stuff is optimized a lot better for weak clients than 450 is. I suspect that in a situation where every client is connected to a 450 AP at 1x or 2x, if you switched everything over to LTE, it will work a lot better... but on the other hand, if they're all running at 6x or 8x the 450 is probably going to perform better. I haven't seen any actual pricing for Baicells, but I'm guessing that if you get enough clients per AP it will be cheaper overall than 450. On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Isnt the NLOS performance a direct trade-off vs throughput though? I > remember when the Telrad guys were showing this link that was miles away > through all these trees connecting in the -80's and they were all excited > that it was still pushing 12mbps to that CPE. But at the expense of it was > consuming 100% of the AP's total resources (airtime) . So basically just > take a 450 AP and run every connected client in 1x or 2x mode and that will > be the same thing as trying to push an LTE system to the limits. Am I wrong? > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> NLOS >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < >> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years >>> ago on a whole lot more solid software/firmware. >>> >>> So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the >>> Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full >>> speed? >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer < >>> cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: >>> I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware so far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is to be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our links. 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. Craig Schmaderer Cell 402-380-1245 Skywave Wireless, Inc. On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" < cstann...@gmail.com> wrote: Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram from Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick > ended up in a knife fight? > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman < > j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > >> Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < >> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz >>> trials going on right now? >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman < >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? Care to comment on/off list? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >> > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your > team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > >>> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
if they get the pricing down to ePMP I might think about switching. On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > I could be wrong (since I have no experience with LTE), but I think LTE is > probably going to handle the weak clients better than 450 is. > > I don't see how it couldn't be at least somewhat of a trade-off with > throughput, but I think the LTE stuff is optimized a lot better for weak > clients than 450 is. I suspect that in a situation where every client is > connected to a 450 AP at 1x or 2x, if you switched everything over to LTE, > it will work a lot better... but on the other hand, if they're all running > at 6x or 8x the 450 is probably going to perform better. > > I haven't seen any actual pricing for Baicells, but I'm guessing that if > you get enough clients per AP it will be cheaper overall than 450. > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < > lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Isnt the NLOS performance a direct trade-off vs throughput though? I >> remember when the Telrad guys were showing this link that was miles away >> through all these trees connecting in the -80's and they were all excited >> that it was still pushing 12mbps to that CPE. But at the expense of it was >> consuming 100% of the AP's total resources (airtime) . So basically just >> take a 450 AP and run every connected client in 1x or 2x mode and that will >> be the same thing as trying to push an LTE system to the limits. Am I wrong? >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Josh Luthman < >> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >> >>> NLOS >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < >>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years ago on a whole lot more solid software/firmware. So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full speed? On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer < cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: > I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware > so far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed > for comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what > is to be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our > links. 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. > > Craig Schmaderer > Cell 402-380-1245 > Skywave Wireless, Inc. > > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" < > cstann...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram > from Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < > thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick >> ended up in a knife fight? >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman < >> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >> >>> Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < >>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials going on right now? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? > Care to comment on/off list? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > >>> >> >> >> -- >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> > > >>> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
Josh, I remember them saying that the power levels where in a different format, actually -110 was equal to -80 or something like that. Im refereeing to the same -80 we are used to with UBNT/Cambium stuff. Maybe the LTE's real advantage is if you have multiple sectors facing the same direction on the tower. It can balance resources due to demands of the subscribers that way. But back to single sector/AP of a 450 cambium vs single sector LTE is there really much advantage if any at all? On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > -80 dBm or -80 in the LTE measurement? I know there are two different > values and they vary greatly, but I'm not sure on the details. > > I don't believe the 12 meg would be the entire AP's capacity at that > distance/range/signal, especially with LTE (think 1 bar on your cell phone > not taking out the entire Verizon tower). > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > wrote: > >> Isnt the NLOS performance a direct trade-off vs throughput though? I >> remember when the Telrad guys were showing this link that was miles away >> through all these trees connecting in the -80's and they were all excited >> that it was still pushing 12mbps to that CPE. But at the expense of it was >> consuming 100% of the AP's total resources (airtime) . So basically just >> take a 450 AP and run every connected client in 1x or 2x mode and that will >> be the same thing as trying to push an LTE system to the limits. Am I wrong? >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Josh Luthman < >> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >> >>> NLOS >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < >>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years ago on a whole lot more solid software/firmware. So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full speed? On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer < cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: > I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware > so far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed > for comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what > is to be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our > links. 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. > > Craig Schmaderer > Cell 402-380-1245 > Skywave Wireless, Inc. > > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" < > cstann...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram > from Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < > thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick >> ended up in a knife fight? >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman < >> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >> >>> Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < >>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials going on right now? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? > Care to comment on/off list? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > >>> >> >> >> -- >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> > > >>> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
-80 dBm or -80 in the LTE measurement? I know there are two different values and they vary greatly, but I'm not sure on the details. I don't believe the 12 meg would be the entire AP's capacity at that distance/range/signal, especially with LTE (think 1 bar on your cell phone not taking out the entire Verizon tower). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Isnt the NLOS performance a direct trade-off vs throughput though? I > remember when the Telrad guys were showing this link that was miles away > through all these trees connecting in the -80's and they were all excited > that it was still pushing 12mbps to that CPE. But at the expense of it was > consuming 100% of the AP's total resources (airtime) . So basically just > take a 450 AP and run every connected client in 1x or 2x mode and that will > be the same thing as trying to push an LTE system to the limits. Am I wrong? > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> NLOS >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < >> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years >>> ago on a whole lot more solid software/firmware. >>> >>> So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the >>> Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full >>> speed? >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer < >>> cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: >>> I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware so far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is to be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our links. 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. Craig Schmaderer Cell 402-380-1245 Skywave Wireless, Inc. On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" < cstann...@gmail.com> wrote: Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram from Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick > ended up in a knife fight? > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman < > j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > >> Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < >> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz >>> trials going on right now? >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman < >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? Care to comment on/off list? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >> > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your > team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > >>> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
Losing tens of bytes is not a big deal for either throughput or transport. We're talking tenths of a percentage of bandwidth reduction. On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Carrying a payload of 1500 bytes + headers means that your transport will > have to be able to do more than 1500 regardless. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ---------- > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Monday, June 20, 2016 12:38:34 PM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? > > I see no reason you couldn't just bridge a vlan into a VPLS tunnel on the > access router. > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> Transport VPLS + QinQ? >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Monday, June 20, 2016 12:36:07 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? >> >> I don't understand what advantage using 200B larger frames are for ISP >> access-side customers, considering you're going to have to mss clamp >> them down to 1500 for internet. >> >> Using 9000B frames in the datacenter is one thing due to the greatly >> decreased (~30% last I checked) CPU load on endpoints, but in ASIC >> based routers and switches it doesn't matter really. >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:30 PM, George Skorup >> wrote: >> > One advantage of the 450 is that we can move >1700 byte ethernet frames. >> > >> > On 6/20/2016 12:24 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >> >> >> >> It's a continuously evolving standard with a well defined short a >> >> medium term upgrade path. Multi carrier aggregation, diverse uplink >> >> and downlink paths on different towers to a CPE, etc. Lots of cool >> >> stuff. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years >> ago >> >>> on >> >>> a whole lot more solid software/firmware. >> >>> >> >>> So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the >> >>> Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the >> >>> full >> >>> speed? >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer >> >>> >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware >> so >> >>>> far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features >> needed >> >>>> for >> >>>> comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is >> what >> >>>> is to >> >>>> be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our >> >>>> links. >> >>>> 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. >> >>>>
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
Isnt the NLOS performance a direct trade-off vs throughput though? I remember when the Telrad guys were showing this link that was miles away through all these trees connecting in the -80's and they were all excited that it was still pushing 12mbps to that CPE. But at the expense of it was consuming 100% of the AP's total resources (airtime) . So basically just take a 450 AP and run every connected client in 1x or 2x mode and that will be the same thing as trying to push an LTE system to the limits. Am I wrong? On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > NLOS > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > wrote: > >> 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years >> ago on a whole lot more solid software/firmware. >> >> So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the >> Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full >> speed? >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer < >> cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: >> >>> I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware so >>> far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for >>> comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is >>> to be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our >>> links. 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. >>> >>> Craig Schmaderer >>> Cell 402-380-1245 >>> Skywave Wireless, Inc. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" < >>> cstann...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram >>> from Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < >>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick ended up in a knife fight? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < > lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz >> trials going on right now? >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman < >> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >> >>> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? >>> Care to comment on/off list? >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >> >> > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>> >>> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
Carrying a payload of 1500 bytes + headers means that your transport will have to be able to do more than 1500 regardless. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 12:38:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? I see no reason you couldn't just bridge a vlan into a VPLS tunnel on the access router. On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: Transport VPLS + QinQ? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 12:36:07 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? I don't understand what advantage using 200B larger frames are for ISP access-side customers, considering you're going to have to mss clamp them down to 1500 for internet. Using 9000B frames in the datacenter is one thing due to the greatly decreased (~30% last I checked) CPU load on endpoints, but in ASIC based routers and switches it doesn't matter really. On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:30 PM, George Skorup < geo...@cbcast.com > wrote: > One advantage of the 450 is that we can move >1700 byte ethernet frames. > > On 6/20/2016 12:24 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >> >> It's a continuously evolving standard with a well defined short a >> medium term upgrade path. Multi carrier aggregation, diverse uplink >> and downlink paths on different towers to a CPE, etc. Lots of cool >> stuff. >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >> >> < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > wrote: >>> >>> 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years ago >>> on >>> a whole lot more solid software/firmware. >>> >>> So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the >>> Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the >>> full >>> speed? >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer >>> < cr...@skywaveconnect.com > >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware so >>>> far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed >>>> for >>>> comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what >>>> is to >>>> be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our >>>> links. >>>> 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. >>>> >>>> Craig Schmaderer >>>> Cell 402-380-1245 >>>> Skywave Wireless, Inc. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" >>>> < cstann...@gmail.com > wrote: >>>> >>>> Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram >>>> from >>>> Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm >>>> < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick >>>>> ended >>>>> up in a knife fight? >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman >>>>> < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>> < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz >>>>>>> trials >>>>>>> going on right now? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman >>>>>>> < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? >>>>>>>> Care to comment on/off list? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>>> team >>>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>> >>>> >
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
I see no reason you couldn't just bridge a vlan into a VPLS tunnel on the access router. On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Transport VPLS + QinQ? > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ---------- > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Monday, June 20, 2016 12:36:07 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? > > I don't understand what advantage using 200B larger frames are for ISP > access-side customers, considering you're going to have to mss clamp > them down to 1500 for internet. > > Using 9000B frames in the datacenter is one thing due to the greatly > decreased (~30% last I checked) CPU load on endpoints, but in ASIC > based routers and switches it doesn't matter really. > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:30 PM, George Skorup wrote: > > One advantage of the 450 is that we can move >1700 byte ethernet frames. > > > > On 6/20/2016 12:24 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > >> > >> It's a continuously evolving standard with a well defined short a > >> medium term upgrade path. Multi carrier aggregation, diverse uplink > >> and downlink paths on different towers to a CPE, etc. Lots of cool > >> stuff. > >> > >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > >> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years > ago > >>> on > >>> a whole lot more solid software/firmware. > >>> > >>> So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the > >>> Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the > >>> full > >>> speed? > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer > >>> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware > so > >>>> far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features > needed > >>>> for > >>>> comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what > >>>> is to > >>>> be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our > >>>> links. > >>>> 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. > >>>> > >>>> Craig Schmaderer > >>>> Cell 402-380-1245 > >>>> Skywave Wireless, Inc. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram > >>>> from > >>>> Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick > >>>>> ended > >>>>> up in a knife fight? > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Josh Luthman > >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 > >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 > >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St > >>>>>> Suite 1337 > >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz > >>>>>>> trials > >>>>>>> going on right now? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? > >>>>>>>> Care to comment on/off list? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Josh Luthman > >>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 > >>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 > >>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St > >>>>>>>> Suite 1337 > >>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your > >>>>> team > >>>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > >>>> > >>>> > > > >
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
Transport VPLS + QinQ? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 12:36:07 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? I don't understand what advantage using 200B larger frames are for ISP access-side customers, considering you're going to have to mss clamp them down to 1500 for internet. Using 9000B frames in the datacenter is one thing due to the greatly decreased (~30% last I checked) CPU load on endpoints, but in ASIC based routers and switches it doesn't matter really. On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:30 PM, George Skorup wrote: > One advantage of the 450 is that we can move >1700 byte ethernet frames. > > On 6/20/2016 12:24 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >> >> It's a continuously evolving standard with a well defined short a >> medium term upgrade path. Multi carrier aggregation, diverse uplink >> and downlink paths on different towers to a CPE, etc. Lots of cool >> stuff. >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >> >> wrote: >>> >>> 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years ago >>> on >>> a whole lot more solid software/firmware. >>> >>> So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the >>> Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the >>> full >>> speed? >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer >>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware so >>>> far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed >>>> for >>>> comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what >>>> is to >>>> be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our >>>> links. >>>> 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. >>>> >>>> Craig Schmaderer >>>> Cell 402-380-1245 >>>> Skywave Wireless, Inc. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram >>>> from >>>> Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick >>>>> ended >>>>> up in a knife fight? >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz >>>>>>> trials >>>>>>> going on right now? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? >>>>>>>> Care to comment on/off list? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>>> team >>>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>> >>>> >
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
I don't understand what advantage using 200B larger frames are for ISP access-side customers, considering you're going to have to mss clamp them down to 1500 for internet. Using 9000B frames in the datacenter is one thing due to the greatly decreased (~30% last I checked) CPU load on endpoints, but in ASIC based routers and switches it doesn't matter really. On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:30 PM, George Skorup wrote: > One advantage of the 450 is that we can move >1700 byte ethernet frames. > > On 6/20/2016 12:24 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >> >> It's a continuously evolving standard with a well defined short a >> medium term upgrade path. Multi carrier aggregation, diverse uplink >> and downlink paths on different towers to a CPE, etc. Lots of cool >> stuff. >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >> >> wrote: >>> >>> 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years ago >>> on >>> a whole lot more solid software/firmware. >>> >>> So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the >>> Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the >>> full >>> speed? >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer >>> >>> wrote: I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware so far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is to be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our links. 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. Craig Schmaderer Cell 402-380-1245 Skywave Wireless, Inc. On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" wrote: Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram from Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: > > I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick > ended > up in a knife fight? > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: >> >> Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >> wrote: >>> >>> Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz >>> trials >>> going on right now? >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman >>> wrote: Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? Care to comment on/off list? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your > team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
One advantage of the 450 is that we can move >1700 byte ethernet frames. On 6/20/2016 12:24 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: It's a continuously evolving standard with a well defined short a medium term upgrade path. Multi carrier aggregation, diverse uplink and downlink paths on different towers to a CPE, etc. Lots of cool stuff. On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years ago on a whole lot more solid software/firmware. So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full speed? On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer wrote: I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware so far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is to be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our links. 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. Craig Schmaderer Cell 402-380-1245 Skywave Wireless, Inc. On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" wrote: Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram from Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick ended up in a knife fight? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials going on right now? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? Care to comment on/off list? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
NLOS Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years > ago on a whole lot more solid software/firmware. > > So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the > Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full > speed? > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer < > cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: > >> I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware so >> far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for >> comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is >> to be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our >> links. 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. >> >> Craig Schmaderer >> Cell 402-380-1245 >> Skywave Wireless, Inc. >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" < >> cstann...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram >> from Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < >> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick >>> ended up in a knife fight? >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman < >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: > Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz > trials going on right now? > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman < > j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > >> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? >> Care to comment on/off list? >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> > > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>> >> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
On 6/20/16 10:21, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full speed? NLOS magic. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
It's a continuously evolving standard with a well defined short a medium term upgrade path. Multi carrier aggregation, diverse uplink and downlink paths on different towers to a CPE, etc. Lots of cool stuff. On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > 90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years ago on > a whole lot more solid software/firmware. > > So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the > Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full > speed? > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer > wrote: >> >> I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware so >> far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for >> comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is to >> be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our links. >> 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. >> >> Craig Schmaderer >> Cell 402-380-1245 >> Skywave Wireless, Inc. >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" >> wrote: >> >> Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram from >> Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm >> wrote: >>> >>> I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick ended >>> up in a knife fight? >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman >>> wrote: Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > > Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials > going on right now? > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: >> >> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? >> Care to comment on/off list? >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 > > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years ago on a whole lot more solid software/firmware. So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the Cambium 450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full speed? On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer wrote: > I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware so > far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for > comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is > to be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our > links. 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. > > Craig Schmaderer > Cell 402-380-1245 > Skywave Wireless, Inc. > > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" < > cstann...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram from > Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < > thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick ended >> up in a knife fight? >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman < >> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >> >>> Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < >>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials going on right now? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? > Care to comment on/off list? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > >>> >> >> >> -- >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
No 5 GHz until LTE-U is approved by the FCC. Currently 3.65 and 2.5 GHz. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 260-307-4000 cell Skype: rick.harnish. Twitter: @rharnish From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 4:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials going on right now? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? Care to comment on/off list? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
No knife fights here. Patrick and I have both been on the road a lot lately Respectfully, Rick Harnish Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 260-307-4000 cell Skype: rick.harnish. Twitter: @rharnish From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 5:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it? I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick ended up in a knife fight? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote: Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials going on right now? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? Care to comment on/off list? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
NLOS capability? Price point? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 20, 2016 9:00 AM, "Craig Schmaderer" wrote: > I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware so > far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for > comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is > to be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our > links. 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. > > Craig Schmaderer > Cell 402-380-1245 > Skywave Wireless, Inc. > > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" < > cstann...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram from > Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < > thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick ended >> up in a knife fight? >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman < >> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >> >>> Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < >>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials going on right now? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? > Care to comment on/off list? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > >>> >> >> >> -- >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
I have it. They are letting me talk about it pass my nda. Hardware so far is solid. Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for comerical deployment. We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is to be expected with R9 LTE. I posted maybe a week ago on one of our links. 5ghz is on the road map. Shoot me your questions. Craig Schmaderer Cell 402-380-1245 Skywave Wireless, Inc. On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote: Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram from Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick ended up in a knife fight? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote: Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials going on right now? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? Care to comment on/off list? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram from Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick ended > up in a knife fight? > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < >> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials >>> going on right now? >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman < >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? Care to comment on/off list? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >> > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
Baicells is still strictly Beta. It's not full release yet. There are trial operators running it as we speak. Casey Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm > wrote: > > I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick ended up > in a knife fight? > >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman >> wrote: >> Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >>> wrote: >>> Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials >>> going on right now? >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? Care to comment on/off list? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 > > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as > part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
They're more active than any other group on Facebook. Rick just did a US road trip. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick ended > up in a knife fight? > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < >> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials >>> going on right now? >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman < >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? Care to comment on/off list? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >> > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick ended up in a knife fight? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > wrote: > >> Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials >> going on right now? >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman < >> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >> >>> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? Care >>> to comment on/off list? >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >> >> > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
Ban all Baicells 5 GHz. Leave it to the cheap gear!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials > going on right now? > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? Care >> to comment on/off list? >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?
Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials going on right now? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? Care to > comment on/off list? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 >
