Re: [Ai] Dr. Saibaba's Letter From Jail: "I Do Not Think I Will Survive This Winter"

[r k sarin via Ai]

You may say so. His case is not yet finalised and he is just languishing in 
jail. One can debate on his action but punishment without justice has no 
meaning.
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Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Dr. Saibaba's Letter From Jail: "I Do Not Think I Will 
Survive This Winter"



since he was an english professor, used all his skills in writing such 
deceiptive letter,  he pleads under the shadow of disability, now that the 
courts have convicted for serious crimes,  all those supporting his so 
called innocence are liable for action on contempt of courts, he is 
bearing the fruits  of his anti-national activities,  he doesn't deserve 
piety/sympathy
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From: "gatak singh via Ai" 

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Cc: "gatak singh" 
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Dr. Saibaba's Letter From Jail: "I Do Not Think I Will 
Survive This Winter"




the letter is heart touching. hope he gets the bail soon.

On 10/30/17, Shireen Irani via Ai  
wrote:

NEW DELHI: Dr G.N.Saibaba Professor at Delhi University and now in
solitary confinement in Nagpur Central Jail has spoken out for help.
Disabled, he has
been branded a Maoist and sentenced to life imprisonment. The
sentencing has been controversial with many who supported and defended
the Professor insisting
that he has been persecuted by governments for raising a voice against
paramilitary operations in the primarily tribal Adivasi belts of
central and eastern
India.

The government has not entertained these arguments, and nor have the
courts, with THE Professor, 90 per cent disabled and suffering from
multiple ailments,
himself writing in this letter to his wife Vasantha that he might not
be able to survive the winter months in jail. He has been convicted
under the Unlawful
Activities (Prevention) Act in what those convinced of his innocence
describe as a travesty of justice.

The letter was written on October 17 and received by his wife on
October 25. It reads as follows:

Dear Vasantha

I am frightened to think of coming winter. Already I am shivering with
continuous fever. I do not have a blanket. I do not have a
sweater/jacket. As temperature
goes down excruciating pain continuously in my legs and left hand
increases. It is impossible for me to survive here during the winter
that starts from
November.

I am living here like an animal taking its last breaths. Somehow 8
months I managed to survive. But I am not going to survive in the
coming winter. I am
sure. It is of no use to write about my health any longer.

In any case, please finalize the senior counsel by or before the end
of this month. Then inform Mr. Gadling to file my bail application in
the first week
of November or last week of October itself. You remember if this is
not done in this way, my situation will be out of hands. I am not
responsible. I am
making clear to you. Hereafter I am not going to write about it any 
longer.


You should talk to Mrs Rebeccaji and Nandita Narain. You also talk to
Prof. Haragopal and others. Explain the entire situation. You need to
hurry up.

I am feeling so depressed for requesting you all so many times like a
beggar, a destitute. But none of you are moving an inch, no one
understand my present
condition. No one understands 90% disabled person is behind bars
struggling with one hand in condition and suffering with multiple
ailments. And no one
cares for my life. This is simply criminal negligence, a callous 
attitude.


Please take care of your health. Your health is my health and entire
family’s health. There is no one else to take care of your health for
now. Till I
am in your presence, you have to take care of your health without any
negligence.

Lots of love

Yours

Sai


Source:

http://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/NewsDetail/index/1/12100/Saibabas-Letter-From-Jail-I-Do-Not-Think-I-Will-Survive-This-Winter


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Re: [Ai] [DKIM Failure] Dr. Saibaba's Letter From Jail: "I Do Not Think I Will Survive This Winter"

[r k sarin via Ai]

Even if you make expression in his case, there are all chances that one will 
include you in the extremist fold because this is a word which can be 
defined as per the convenience of the ruler whosoever he may be.
- Original Message - 
From: "Shireen Irani via Ai" 

To: "Share, empower " 
Cc: "Shireen Irani" 
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Ai] [DKIM Failure] Dr. Saibaba's Letter From Jail: "I Do Not 
Think I Will Survive This Winter"




most definitely.

But in Prof. Saibaba's case, it has become a matter of life and death.
And it is extremely saddening to see such limited support or protest
on the part of self-promoting disability activists/ advocates.

Shireen.

On 10/30/17, Asudani, Rajesh via Ai  
wrote:

Accessibility has also to be a necessary prerequisite for jails too.


-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of
Shireen Irani via Ai
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 12:35 AM
To: disability-studies-india; Connect, share and enrich
Cc: Shireen Irani
Subject: [DKIM Failure] [Ai] Dr. Saibaba's Letter From Jail: "I Do Not 
Think

I Will Survive This Winter"

NEW DELHI: Dr G.N.Saibaba Professor at Delhi University and now in
solitary confinement in Nagpur Central Jail has spoken out for help.
Disabled, he has
been branded a Maoist and sentenced to life imprisonment. The
sentencing has been controversial with many who supported and defended
the Professor insisting
that he has been persecuted by governments for raising a voice against
paramilitary operations in the primarily tribal Adivasi belts of
central and eastern
India.

The government has not entertained these arguments, and nor have the
courts, with THE Professor, 90 per cent disabled and suffering from
multiple ailments,
himself writing in this letter to his wife Vasantha that he might not
be able to survive the winter months in jail. He has been convicted
under the Unlawful
Activities (Prevention) Act in what those convinced of his innocence
describe as a travesty of justice.

The letter was written on October 17 and received by his wife on
October 25. It reads as follows:

Dear Vasantha

I am frightened to think of coming winter. Already I am shivering with
continuous fever. I do not have a blanket. I do not have a
sweater/jacket. As temperature
goes down excruciating pain continuously in my legs and left hand
increases. It is impossible for me to survive here during the winter
that starts from
November.

I am living here like an animal taking its last breaths. Somehow 8
months I managed to survive. But I am not going to survive in the
coming winter. I am
sure. It is of no use to write about my health any longer.

In any case, please finalize the senior counsel by or before the end
of this month. Then inform Mr. Gadling to file my bail application in
the first week
of November or last week of October itself. You remember if this is
not done in this way, my situation will be out of hands. I am not
responsible. I am
making clear to you. Hereafter I am not going to write about it any 
longer.


You should talk to Mrs Rebeccaji and Nandita Narain. You also talk to
Prof. Haragopal and others. Explain the entire situation. You need to
hurry up.

I am feeling so depressed for requesting you all so many times like a
beggar, a destitute. But none of you are moving an inch, no one
understand my present
condition. No one understands 90% disabled person is behind bars
struggling with one hand in condition and suffering with multiple
ailments. And no one
cares for my life. This is simply criminal negligence, a callous 
attitude.


Please take care of your health. Your health is my health and entire
family’s health. There is no one else to take care of your health for
now. Till I
am in your presence, you have to take care of your health without any
negligence.

Lots of love

Yours

Sai


Source:

http://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/NewsDetail/index/1/12100/Saibabas-Letter-From-Jail-I-Do-Not-Think-I-Will-Survive-This-Winter


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Re: [Ai] Punjab University refuses blind student nod to record class lectures

[r k sarin via Ai]

I think we should not link the issue with an individual. It is his basic 
right to get the information in any accessible way and the recording is one 
of the comfortable and accessible way and use it as many times as one 
requires. Moreover, there is nothing secret in lecture. The only issue is 
how much a teaching faculty member is confident in his teaching. The issue 
is not with the student but wwith the teacher. No sensible teacher stop 
anyone from recording. I allowed anyone even the sighted student to do so 
because I know what I am gteaching and what is my responsibility to the 
teaching fraternity.
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From: "Sanjeev Kumar Gandhi via Ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>

To: "Share, empower " <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: "Sanjeev Kumar Gandhi" <gandhi.sanjeev...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Punjab University refuses blind student nod to record 
class lectures




this insident is a evening college student.  He is a Govt Employ he
has working in BBMB as a telephone oprater.  I can suggest you have
use laptop or netbook in class and type short notes. I think  this
person behavior  is not good.
Read with hindi TTS इस वयक्ती का सौभाव ऐसा है की ये डाटा का misuse कर
सकता है।  कई वयक्तीयो को सिरफ किसि न किसि बहाने अपने आप को showoff
करना  उनकी आदत सी बन जाती है।  यह मेरे अपने निजि विचार है क्योकी इस
वयक्ति को मैं personally जानता हूँ
I feel that person On 10/27/17, kuldeep kumar via Ai
<ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:

dear Amit, sufferers r not the employees. they r students who can't
afford the heavy fees of advocates. sometimes, they can approach to
generalists hardly.

On 10/27/17, Amit Bhatt via Ai <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> 
wrote:

Surprising news!!

Person should simply request local NGO to intervene in the matter and
interact with University Officials. If still problem persists, sufferer
should nock the door of the Court.

With warm regards,

Amit Bhatt

Probationary Officer - United Bank of India
www.unitedbankofindia.com

Moderator - SayEverything, an open discussion forum for persons with
disabilities
www.sayeverything.org

Contact: +91-9560175887, 8178838112

Skype: amitbhattindia

"Success lies not in the result, but in the efforts"
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From: "r k sarin via Ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
To: "Share, empower " <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: "r k sarin" <no2illiter...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Punjab University refuses blind student nod to record
class lectures



Of course it is not a good sign. Though I cannot go through your mail
because you feel easy to send only link as you do not have time to open
the link and send the reading material so is with others. However, When
I

was doing post-graduation from there, they stopped me from taking notes
in

Braille but after resistance and complaint to the head of department 
Dr.
Shanti Swarup, things were sorted out. I feel the students should 
resist

for it and the problem is not sorted out, I like to intervene at my
level--personally and organisationally but one has to write to me.
Anybody

who is interested to get this problem resolved, he can write to me.
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To: "ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: "avinash shahi" <shahi88avin...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 5:24 PM
Subject: [Ai] Punjab University refuses blind student nod to record
class

lectures



http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/chandigarh/pu-refuses-blind-student-nod-to-record-lessons/479978.html

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Re: [Ai] Punjab University refuses blind student nod to record class lectures

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Of course it is not a good sign. Though I cannot go through your mail 
because you feel easy to send only link as you do not have time to open the 
link and send the reading material so is with others. However, When I was 
doing post-graduation from there, they stopped me from taking notes in 
Braille but after resistance and complaint to the head of department Dr. 
Shanti Swarup, things were sorted out. I feel the students should resist for 
it and the problem is not sorted out, I like to intervene at my 
level--personally and organisationally but one has to write to me. Anybody 
who is interested to get this problem resolved, he can write to me.
- Original Message - 
From: "avinash shahi via Ai" 

To: "ai" 
Cc: "avinash shahi" 
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 5:24 PM
Subject: [Ai] Punjab University refuses blind student nod to record class 
lectures




http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/chandigarh/pu-refuses-blind-student-nod-to-record-lessons/479978.html

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Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU


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Re: [Ai] Visually impaired writer starts publishing house for the blind.

[r k sarin via Ai]

I am waiting for your arrival Bhavani
- Original Message - 
From: "bhawani shankar verma via Ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>

To: "Share, empower " <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: "bhawani shankar verma" <bsvermad...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Visually impaired writer starts publishing house for the 
blind.




my party is due sir, as my delhi trip is proposed shortly.


-----Original Message- 
From: r k sarin via Ai

Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 3:13 PM
To: Share, empower 
Cc: r k sarin
Subject: Re: [Ai] Visually impaired writer starts publishing house for the 
blind.


Hi Shirine, thans you got this interview before even I can have it and
surprised me just to make some prompt response. If you will go through
between the lines, you will find that a presumption is made by the writer
that I am teaching only the blind students. For me, it is not at all an
issue but see the condition of this well read people. Thanks again.
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To: "Connect, share and enrich" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>;
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Cc: "Shireen Irani" <shireen@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 12:07 AM
Subject: [Ai] Visually impaired writer starts publishing house for the
blind.



Congratulations Dr. R.K. Sareen!

| NEW DELHI | 14 October, 2017

The purpose of Raktim Publications is to publish more blind-friendly
literature and make such books accessible for students in the Mangal
font.

After a life of living in darkness, a visually impaired writer is
making it easier for blind people to access books in Hindi. Dr Ramesh
Kumar Sareen, a
lecturer by profession, is all set to launch his new book under the
banner of “Raktim Publications”, a publishing house that Sareen has
independently started
for visually impaired people.

The purpose of Raktim Publications is to publish more blind-friendly
literature and make such books accessible to students in the Mangal
font of Hindi
language. “I have observed an acute lack of blind publishers, though
there are blind people around who are willing to write. Publishing a
book is a tedious
task and is discouraging for blind people to get tailor-made books
published,” said Sareen.

Sareen said that visually impaired people have specific needs that
characterise blind-friendly books. For example, avoiding footnotes,
publishing books
in a font that can be read by various software that visually impaired
people use without having to scan the entire book, making e-texts
accessible and
transliterating books on various subjects in different languages.
Raktim Publications intends to include all such characteristics in its
Hindi books.

Sareen, a former employee at Indian Airlines, left his 13-year-old
career in the aviation industry to become a political science lecturer
at Satyavati
College, Delhi University, because he wanted to help eager blind
people to get the education they needed. “There was no job
satisfaction in aviation for
me. I was earning money and was able to get married and start a
family, but I was not able to contribute back to society the way I
wanted to. So I decided
to become a lecturer and stay close to the young crop and help
visually impaired students.” Sareen has done a PhD in political
science from Jawaharlal
Nehru University.

Talking about his new book, Sareen said, “This is my third book, but
the first one which will be published under the banner of Raktim
Publications. The
book is in Hindi and is blind-friendly, which means that the visually
impaired will not have to scan it to read it through software. There
will be e-text
available.”

Sareen’s new book in Hindi is titled Sam Samayik Bharat ki Vikas
Prakriya aur Samajik Andolan, which means “development process and
social movements in
contemporary India”. The book does an analysis of political
developments that took place between 1930 and 2014 in India. The
e-text of the book is in Mangal
font and will be available after 31 October. It can be ordered online
by dropping an email at
raktimprakas...@gmail.com

Sareen said, “I have not done any analysis of political developments
that took place 2014 onward because a lot has happened and we still
need to observe
the consequences over the years to come to a conclusion. Whether the
current changes prove good for us or bad will be known in future, no
point passing
hasty judgements.”

An atheist by self-confession, Sareen explained why he named his
publishing house “Raktim”. He said, “I have been heavily inspired by
works of Dr Bhisham
Sahni who has written a lot on communal subjects. Since the colour of
everybody’s blood is same irrespective of which God they believe in, I
chose to name
it Raktim.”

Emphasising on efficient implementa

Re: [Ai] Visually impaired writer starts publishing house for the blind.

[r k sarin via Ai]

Thanks Mahendra ji, perhaps, doing something at this age, gives a lot of 
confidence again and a sense of contributing again.
- Original Message - 
From: "Mahendra Galani via Ai" 

To: "Share, empower " 
Cc: "Mahendra Galani" 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Visually impaired writer starts publishing house for the 
blind.



yes, congratulations Dr Sarin. and Shireen thanks for sharing.

At 12:07 AM 10/16/2017 +0530, you wrote:
Congratulations Dr. R.K. Sareen! | NEW DELHI | 14 October, 2017 The purpose 
of Raktim Publications is to publish more blind-friendly literature and 
make such books accessible for students in the Mangal font. After a life of 
living in darkness, a visually impaired writer is making it easier for 
blind people to access books in Hindi. Dr Ramesh Kumar Sareen, a lecturer 
by profession, is all set to launch his new book under the banner of 
â?oRaktim Publicationsâ?, a publishing house that Sareen has independently 
started for visually impaired people. The purpose of Raktim Publications is 
to publish more blind-friendly literature and make such books accessible to 
students in the Mangal font of Hindi language. â?oI have observed an acute 
lack of blind publishers, though there are blind people around who are 
willing to write. Publishing a book is a tedious task and is discouraging 
for blind people to get tailor-made books published,� said Sareen. Sareen 
said that visually impaired people have specific needs that characterise 
blind-friendly books. For example, avoiding footnotes, publishing books in 
a font that can be read by various software that visually impaired people 
use without having to scan the entire book, making e-texts accessible and 
transliterating books on various subjects in different languages. Raktim 
Publications intends to include all such characteristics in its Hindi 
books. Sareen, a former employee at Indian Airlines, left his 13-year-old 
career in the aviation industry to become a political science lecturer at 
Satyavati College, Delhi University, because he wanted to help eager blind 
people to get the education they needed. â?oThere was no job satisfaction 
in aviation for me. I was earning money and was able to get married and 
start a family, but I was not able to contribute back to society the way I 
wanted to. So I decided to become a lecturer and stay close to the young 
crop and help visually impaired students.� Sareen has done a PhD in 
political science from Jawaharlal Nehru University. Talking about his new 
book, Sareen said, â?oThis is my third book, but the first one which will 
be published under the banner of Raktim Publications. The book is in Hindi 
and is blind-friendly, which means that the visually impaired will not have 
to scan it to read it through software. There will be e-text available.� 
Sareenâ?Ts new book in Hindi is titled Sam Samayik Bharat ki Vikas Prakriya 
aur Samajik Andolan, which means â?odevelopment process and social 
movements in contemporary India�. The book does an analysis of political 
developments that took place between 1930 and 2014 in India. The e-text of 
the book is in Mangal font and will be available after 31 October. It can 
be ordered online by dropping an email at raktimprakas...@gmail.com Sareen 
said, â?oI have not done any analysis of political developments that took 
place 2014 onward because a lot has happened and we still need to observe 
the consequences over the years to come to a conclusion. Whether the 
current changes prove good for us or bad will be known in future, no point 
passing hasty judgements.� An atheist by self-confession, Sareen 
explained why he named his publishing house â?oRaktimâ?. He said, â?oI 
have been heavily inspired by works of Dr Bhisham Sahni who has written a 
lot on communal subjects. Since the colour of everybodyâ?Ts blood is same 
irrespective of which God they believe in, I chose to name it Raktim.� 
Emphasising on efficient implementation of government policies for the 
visually impaired, Sareen said, â?oThings have become a lot easier now 
because of technology that helps us visually impaired people learn things 
which we could not until a few years back. The government, too, has 
increased facilities for people like us; however, a major policy loophole 
is not including partially blind people in the list of beneficiaries. Such 
people are not able to avail government schemes, nor are they able to study 
and work like other people.� A Guinness record holder, Sareen has written 
the maximum words in Braille in a stipulated period of time by typing Hindi 
stories for 158 hours. Sareen said, â?oI wish to make it convenient for 
visually impaired people to read whatever they want to read. Raktim 
Publications intends to fulfil this objective for Hindi language, but we 
will also venture into English books.� source: 

Re: [Ai] Visually impaired writer starts publishing house for the blind.

[r k sarin via Ai]

Hi Shirine, thans you got this interview before even I can have it and 
surprised me just to make some prompt response. If you will go through 
between the lines, you will find that a presumption is made by the writer 
that I am teaching only the blind students. For me, it is not at all an 
issue but see the condition of this well read people. Thanks again.
- Original Message - 
From: "Shireen Irani via Ai" 
To: "Connect, share and enrich" ; 
"disability-studies-india" 

Cc: "Shireen Irani" 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 12:07 AM
Subject: [Ai] Visually impaired writer starts publishing house for the 
blind.




Congratulations Dr. R.K. Sareen!

| NEW DELHI | 14 October, 2017

The purpose of Raktim Publications is to publish more blind-friendly
literature and make such books accessible for students in the Mangal
font.

After a life of living in darkness, a visually impaired writer is
making it easier for blind people to access books in Hindi. Dr Ramesh
Kumar Sareen, a
lecturer by profession, is all set to launch his new book under the
banner of “Raktim Publications”, a publishing house that Sareen has
independently started
for visually impaired people.

The purpose of Raktim Publications is to publish more blind-friendly
literature and make such books accessible to students in the Mangal
font of Hindi
language. “I have observed an acute lack of blind publishers, though
there are blind people around who are willing to write. Publishing a
book is a tedious
task and is discouraging for blind people to get tailor-made books
published,” said Sareen.

Sareen said that visually impaired people have specific needs that
characterise blind-friendly books. For example, avoiding footnotes,
publishing books
in a font that can be read by various software that visually impaired
people use without having to scan the entire book, making e-texts
accessible and
transliterating books on various subjects in different languages.
Raktim Publications intends to include all such characteristics in its
Hindi books.

Sareen, a former employee at Indian Airlines, left his 13-year-old
career in the aviation industry to become a political science lecturer
at Satyavati
College, Delhi University, because he wanted to help eager blind
people to get the education they needed. “There was no job
satisfaction in aviation for
me. I was earning money and was able to get married and start a
family, but I was not able to contribute back to society the way I
wanted to. So I decided
to become a lecturer and stay close to the young crop and help
visually impaired students.” Sareen has done a PhD in political
science from Jawaharlal
Nehru University.

Talking about his new book, Sareen said, “This is my third book, but
the first one which will be published under the banner of Raktim
Publications. The
book is in Hindi and is blind-friendly, which means that the visually
impaired will not have to scan it to read it through software. There
will be e-text
available.”

Sareen’s new book in Hindi is titled Sam Samayik Bharat ki Vikas
Prakriya aur Samajik Andolan, which means “development process and
social movements in
contemporary India”. The book does an analysis of political
developments that took place between 1930 and 2014 in India. The
e-text of the book is in Mangal
font and will be available after 31 October. It can be ordered online
by dropping an email at
raktimprakas...@gmail.com

Sareen said, “I have not done any analysis of political developments
that took place 2014 onward because a lot has happened and we still
need to observe
the consequences over the years to come to a conclusion. Whether the
current changes prove good for us or bad will be known in future, no
point passing
hasty judgements.”

An atheist by self-confession, Sareen explained why he named his
publishing house “Raktim”. He said, “I have been heavily inspired by
works of Dr Bhisham
Sahni who has written a lot on communal subjects. Since the colour of
everybody’s blood is same irrespective of which God they believe in, I
chose to name
it Raktim.”

Emphasising on efficient implementation of government policies for the
visually impaired, Sareen said, “Things have become a lot easier now
because of
technology that helps us visually impaired people learn things which
we could not until a few years back. The government, too, has
increased facilities
for people like us; however, a major policy loophole is not including
partially blind people in the list of beneficiaries. Such people are
not able to
avail government schemes, nor are they able to study and work like
other people.”

A Guinness record holder, Sareen has written the maximum words in
Braille in a stipulated period of time by typing Hindi stories for 158
hours. Sareen
said, “I wish to make it convenient for visually impaired people to
read whatever they want to read. Raktim 

Re: [Ai] 188-year-old Kerala State Central library to be blind-friendly

[r k sarin via Ai]

How much space these libraries give to the blind consumer?
- Original Message - 
From: "Sath Linux via Ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>

To: "Share, empower " <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: "Sath Linux" <sath.li...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Ai] 188-year-old Kerala State Central library to be 
blind-friendly




Friends,
Now a blind person can read almost all indian languages using a
scanner. Real improvement should be in that direction and not the
other way. tesseract engine with the support of lios can gives access
to any library to the visually impaired totally free.

On 9/27/17, r k sarin via Ai <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:

Good news and even your previous posting regarding the blind girl in
Himachal Pradesh as an Icon. But, still both carry a sense of traditional
outlook about the blind persons and its programmes. I have no reservation
about music but blind person and music is in 21st century forces to think
why not anything else. Section for the library for the blind with the 
audio


library again a traditional view which sincerely fails to involve the 
blind


person too much--a lopsided way of facilitating the blind without 
involving


him. I personally feel, may be wrong, mere hearing e-text without taking
notes in Braille so far the academic work is concerned, perhapes won't 
help


much  and I have to ask myself where I am. (purely perrsonal comments out 
of


sheer personal experiences).
- Original Message -
From: "avinash shahi via Ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
To: "ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>; "jnuvision"
<jnuvis...@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "avinash shahi" <shahi88avin...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 12:55 PM
Subject: [Ai] 188-year-old Kerala State Central library to be
blind-friendly



http://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/188-year-old-kerala-state-central-library-to-be-blind-friendly-117092500286_1.html
The 188-year-old Kerala  State Central Library here, one of the oldest
book houses in the country will soon have a separate wing for visually
challenged bibliophiles.

An exclusive 'Braille wing' will be opened soon adjacent to the main
library building, located in the heart of the state capital, as part
of the authorities' plans to make the 19th century institution
differently-abled friendly.





Popularly known as 'Trivandrum Public Library,' the heritage
structure, housing one of the finest collections of rare titles
starting from 16th century, was established in the year 1829.

According to authorities, steps are already on to convert a room of
the three-storey new building, being set up in front of the heritage
Gothic style main structure, into the Braille wing.

The Braille wing is envisaged to provide all modern amenities to help
make visually impaired visitors comfortable.

State librarian P K Sobhana said they would join hands with various
outfits and organisations including Dehradun-based National Institute
for the Visually Handicapped and Kerala Blind Association for the
initiative.

"Our new building is getting ready.. One of the major features of it
will be the Braille section.. We are planning to open it in a room in
the ground floor of the building," she told PTI.

Besides books in Braille format, the new wing would also have an
impressive collection of talking and audio books in various languages
including English and Hindi besides Malayalam.

"We think, the audio books will be more useful for the visually
challenged people.. Not only that, it will also be a solution for the
space constraints issues.. Usually Braille books will consume more
space which we cannot afford," she said.

The official said she would soon visit institutions including the
National Association for the Blind in New Delhi  which offer advanced
facilities before giving a final shape to the plan.

"In future, we also have plans to prepare audio books in Malayalam
with the support of outfits in this regard," Sobhana added.

An integral part of the state's cultural landscape, the Central
Library has over five lakh titles and subscribe 300 periodicals.

The book house had amazed several people including world renowned
English writer William Somerset Maugham.

Astonished by seeing the wide collection of world classics and
continental literature, including his own works there, the writer,
during his visit to the princely state of Tranvacore in 1938 had
scribbled in the visitors' book that he was 'pleased and flattered.'

Historians say, the library was ordered to be set up in 1829 by the
Travancore royal Swathi Tirunal and renamed as State Central Library
in 1958.

Interestingly, the visionary ruler took the initiative to build one of
the first public libraries in India, before even the famed Imperial
Library of Calcu

Re: [Ai] Lucknow: UP Governor Ram Naik at NAB India's event" blind people should campaign for eye-donation.

[r k sarin via Ai]

But kanchan ji, my question is as it is. I feel, may be not knowing, such 
data of corneal plantation and its cure is not prepared yet.
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To: "Share, empower " <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: "Kanchan" <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Lucknow: UP Governor Ram Naik at NAB India's event" blind 
people should campaign for eye-donation.




It is not retinal transplant but corneal  transplant

Kanchan pamnani
Advocate and Solicitor

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<ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:


Old but good message with a question do we have data about the persons 
being cured after the transplantation of the retina. Asking this out of 
curiositty as I am totally unaware of such data.
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<ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>

To: "ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: "avinash shahi" <shahi88avin...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 1:32 PM
Subject: [Ai] Lucknow: UP Governor Ram Naik at NAB India's event" blind 
people should campaign for eye-donation.




I wonder, if NAB representatives had posed questions to the governor
about the recent lathi-charge on blind students at DR Shakuntala
Mishra Rehabilitation University.
https://m.patrika.com/news/lucknow/ram-naik-says-blind-people-run-more-effective-movement-1401759

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Re: [Ai] Lucknow: UP Governor Ram Naik at NAB India's event" blind people should campaign for eye-donation.

[r k sarin via Ai]

yeh, true, mistaken.
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To: "Share, empower " <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Lucknow: UP Governor Ram Naik at NAB India's event" blind 
people should campaign for eye-donation.




It is not retinal transplant but corneal  transplant

Kanchan pamnani
Advocate and Solicitor

On 27-Sep-2017, at 06:20, r k sarin via Ai 
<ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:


Old but good message with a question do we have data about the persons 
being cured after the transplantation of the retina. Asking this out of 
curiositty as I am totally unaware of such data.
- Original Message - From: "avinash shahi via Ai" 
<ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>

To: "ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: "avinash shahi" <shahi88avin...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 1:32 PM
Subject: [Ai] Lucknow: UP Governor Ram Naik at NAB India's event" blind 
people should campaign for eye-donation.




I wonder, if NAB representatives had posed questions to the governor
about the recent lathi-charge on blind students at DR Shakuntala
Mishra Rehabilitation University.
https://m.patrika.com/news/lucknow/ram-naik-says-blind-people-run-more-effective-movement-1401759

--
Avinash Shahi
Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU
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Re: [Ai] Lucknow: UP Governor Ram Naik at NAB India's event" blind people should campaign for eye-donation.

[r k sarin via Ai]

Old but good message with a question do we have data about the persons being 
cured after the transplantation of the retina. Asking this out of curiositty 
as I am totally unaware of such data.
- Original Message - 
From: "avinash shahi via Ai" 

To: "ai" 
Cc: "avinash shahi" 
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 1:32 PM
Subject: [Ai] Lucknow: UP Governor Ram Naik at NAB India's event" blind 
people should campaign for eye-donation.




I wonder, if NAB representatives had posed questions to the governor
about the recent lathi-charge on blind students at DR Shakuntala
Mishra Rehabilitation University.
https://m.patrika.com/news/lucknow/ram-naik-says-blind-people-run-more-effective-movement-1401759

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Avinash Shahi
Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU
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Re: [Ai] 188-year-old Kerala State Central library to be blind-friendly

[r k sarin via Ai]

Good news and even your previous posting regarding the blind girl in 
Himachal Pradesh as an Icon. But, still both carry a sense of traditional 
outlook about the blind persons and its programmes. I have no reservation 
about music but blind person and music is in 21st century forces to think 
why not anything else. Section for the library for the blind with the audio 
library again a traditional view which sincerely fails to involve the blind 
person too much--a lopsided way of facilitating the blind without involving 
him. I personally feel, may be wrong, mere hearing e-text without taking 
notes in Braille so far the academic work is concerned, perhapes won't help 
much  and I have to ask myself where I am. (purely perrsonal comments out of 
sheer personal experiences).
- Original Message - 
From: "avinash shahi via Ai" 
To: "ai" ; "jnuvision" 


Cc: "avinash shahi" 
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 12:55 PM
Subject: [Ai] 188-year-old Kerala State Central library to be blind-friendly



http://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/188-year-old-kerala-state-central-library-to-be-blind-friendly-117092500286_1.html
The 188-year-old Kerala  State Central Library here, one of the oldest
book houses in the country will soon have a separate wing for visually
challenged bibliophiles.

An exclusive 'Braille wing' will be opened soon adjacent to the main
library building, located in the heart of the state capital, as part
of the authorities' plans to make the 19th century institution
differently-abled friendly.





Popularly known as 'Trivandrum Public Library,' the heritage
structure, housing one of the finest collections of rare titles
starting from 16th century, was established in the year 1829.

According to authorities, steps are already on to convert a room of
the three-storey new building, being set up in front of the heritage
Gothic style main structure, into the Braille wing.

The Braille wing is envisaged to provide all modern amenities to help
make visually impaired visitors comfortable.

State librarian P K Sobhana said they would join hands with various
outfits and organisations including Dehradun-based National Institute
for the Visually Handicapped and Kerala Blind Association for the
initiative.

"Our new building is getting ready.. One of the major features of it
will be the Braille section.. We are planning to open it in a room in
the ground floor of the building," she told PTI.

Besides books in Braille format, the new wing would also have an
impressive collection of talking and audio books in various languages
including English and Hindi besides Malayalam.

"We think, the audio books will be more useful for the visually
challenged people.. Not only that, it will also be a solution for the
space constraints issues.. Usually Braille books will consume more
space which we cannot afford," she said.

The official said she would soon visit institutions including the
National Association for the Blind in New Delhi  which offer advanced
facilities before giving a final shape to the plan.

"In future, we also have plans to prepare audio books in Malayalam
with the support of outfits in this regard," Sobhana added.

An integral part of the state's cultural landscape, the Central
Library has over five lakh titles and subscribe 300 periodicals.

The book house had amazed several people including world renowned
English writer William Somerset Maugham.

Astonished by seeing the wide collection of world classics and
continental literature, including his own works there, the writer,
during his visit to the princely state of Tranvacore in 1938 had
scribbled in the visitors' book that he was 'pleased and flattered.'

Historians say, the library was ordered to be set up in 1829 by the
Travancore royal Swathi Tirunal and renamed as State Central Library
in 1958.

Interestingly, the visionary ruler took the initiative to build one of
the first public libraries in India, before even the famed Imperial
Library of Calcutta was established.

The task of organising the library was assigned to Col Edward Cadogan,
the then British Resident and the grand son of Sir Hans Sloan, the
founder of British Museum.

The library was shifted to the present building in 1900 under the
reign of Sri Moolam Thirunal, who built a structure of architectural
beauty in the Gothic style in commemoration of the Diamond Jubilee of
Queen Victoria.

While the Public Library was handed over to University of Travancore
in 1938, it was taken over by the government in 1948 after a
resolution was passed by State Legislature.

The library, in the year 1988, was granted the status of a minor
department under the administrative control of Higher Education
Department with the State Librarian as its head.
(This story has not been edited by Business Standard staff and is
auto-generated from a syndicated fee


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Re: [Ai] Upcoming national conference: Vocational Rehabilitation and Economic Inclusion of persons with disabilities

[r k sarin via Ai]

Why this behaviour of neither giving accommodation facilities nor bearing 
travel expenses? Is it not the club activity? Even university needs only 
wealthy social workers in lieu of professionals? Does not mean that it will 
confine to the moneyed class logging heads together for something more 
idealistic? Good way of reducing this conference to an american one.
- Original Message - 
From: "avinash shahi via Ai" 

To: "ai" 
Cc: "avinash shahi" 
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 2:50 PM
Subject: [Ai] Upcoming national conference: Vocational Rehabilitation and 
Economic Inclusion of persons with disabilities




Two-day National Conference on 24th and 25th October, 2017 (Tuesday
and Wednesday)



Conference Theme: Vocational Rehabilitation and Economic Inclusion of
persons with disabilities in India



Conference Organizers



The conference is being organized by National Centre of Disability
Studies, IGNOU, supported by National Handicapped Finance and
Development Corporation (NHFDC).



Conference Venue:  Baba Saheb Ambedkar Convention Centre, Indira
Gandhi National Open University, Maidan Garhi, New Delhi-110068.



Concept Note



As per NSSO (2003) about 26% of the persons with disabilities were
employed.  The Census 2011 highlighted that, nearly one third of the
total disabled persons were working.  At all India level, 36% of the
total disabled persons are workers. Among the male disabled persons,
47% are working and among female disabled, only 23% are working.
Among the persons with disabilities who were workers, 31% were
agricultural labourers.  Thus, there has been no change in the
employment rate in a decade among the persons with disabilities.
However, analysis of disability wise and age wise distribution of
employment may show some variations.​ Comparison with the non-disabled
population in terms of nature of employment could also be an area of
study.





The Rights of Persons with Disability Act (2016) in Chapter IV which
deals with Skill Development and Employment provides for formulations
of schemes and programmes including provision of loans at concessional
rates to facilitate and support employment of Persons with
Disabilities especially for their vocational training and
self-employment.



The said schemes and programmes shall provide for –
a.inclusion of person with disability in all mainstream formal and
non-formal vocational and skill training schemes and programmes;
b.to ensure that a person with disability has adequate support and
facilities to avail specific training;
c.exclusive skill training programmes for persons with disabilities
with active links with the market, for those with developmental,
intellectual, multiple disabilities and autism;
d.loans at concessional rates including that of microcredit;
e.marketing the products made by persons with disabilities; and
f.maintenance of disaggregated data on the progress made in the skill
training and self-employment, including persons with disabilities.





The United Nations Convention on Rights of Persons with Disabilities
(UNCRPD) makes provision for persons with disabilities with regard to
inter alia, employment, independent living, economic and social
self-sufficient.  The new RPD Act has been aligned with UNCRPD.



Against this background a two day National Conference on Vocational
Rehabilitation and Economic Inclusion of Persons with Disabilities in
India is being organized for making an assessment of the opportunities
available for persons with disabilities for vocational rehabilitation
and economic inclusion.  The brain storming deliberations and action
oriented intellectual discourse will help the policy makers in
formulating schemes and programmes as per the provision of the rights
of persons with disabilities Act of 2016.



The conference will bring various stakeholders of disability sector at
one platform to discuss various issues related to vocational
rehabilitation and economic inclusion of persons with disabilities in
the country.  For any progressive society, it is vital to provide
conducive environment to the adult persons with disabilities to become
economically self-reliant through gainful employment/self-employment.
This National conference is intended to make practical and
implementable recommendations which will be of immense benefit to the
persons with disabilities, policy makers and other stake holders.





Themes for the National Conference are:


•Job Identification and Employable skills
•Vocation/skill training
•Employment/Self-Employment in Urban and Rural Areas
•Role of Financial Institutions
•Role of Technology
•Role of Distance Education in Vocational Training
•Access to Work Place
•Advocacy for Vocational Rehabilitation and Economic Inclusion




Abstract and Paper Submission


•The presenters should submit an abstract of around 350-500 words that
provides the summary of the paper with key 

Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

[r k sarin via Ai]

Thanks for sharing legal viewpoint.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kanchan Pamnani via Ai 
  To: 'Share, empower ' 
  Cc: Kanchan Pamnani 
  Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 11:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident


  An incident must be reported as soon as practicable. Late reporting sometimes 
is fatal to a case. However what is late is  dependend on the situation. I have 
read one case where even  though a rape was reported after 2 months the case 
proceeded and the accused was held guilty. 

  We cannot derive negative inferences from the fact that this particular 
incident was reported after 24 hours. We don't know the circumstances and 
speculation on this ground is worthless. 24 hours is normally not fatal to a 
case. Lets drop this one point. 

  Kanchan  

   

   

  From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of r k 
sarin via Ai
  Sent: 09 September 2017 20:56
  To: Share, empower 
  Cc: r k sarin
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

   

  Kanchan ji, as a lawyer, please tell me what is the implicattion of reporting 
a mattter after 24 hours and what is its implication. Even if you just tell 
legal position, I will be highly obliged.

- Original Message - 

From: Kanchan Pamnani via Ai 

To: 'Share, empower ' 

Cc: Kanchan Pamnani 

Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 6:52 PM

Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

 

Sarinji 

I  do not think the discussion should be closed. Even if we close it on 
accessindia the press will still carry it and Avinash and others will copy it 
for us. 

I however think that the reporting to the police has been a good step. 

I also think that my advice to Prashant that  he must track the matter is 
sound advice.NAB Delhi is going to be harassed by many and we in the sector 
must atleast criticise only after knowing facts.

Now the next set of problems who will you protect the kids from and to what 
extent?

Avinash has listed out a few recent incidents.There are many more.  

Who do you trust- Trustees, management,staff, family members,  volunteers, 
politicians,police,  seniors  from the same sex or from the opposite sex. 
Everyone can be suspect and we have to guard against everyone. These crimes 
donot get committed completely by one person. Therefore I had mentioned an 
insider accomplice.   Management cannot be blamed unless it is directly 
involved. If management has taken precaution as much as a prudent man would 
have then we cannot blame management.  

In many cases the parties have hushed up matters -this is detrimental to 
everyone.

But blaming anyone before investigation is over is wrong. 

Kanchan 

 

From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of r 
k sarin via Ai
Sent: 07 September 2017 14:53
To: Share, empower 
Cc: r k sarin
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

 

Kanchan ji, do you think that this superfluous approach will help NAB and 
its institutions in a longer run. Why not to talk about the dilemma of the 
NGOs--services vs. management of funds. purely person outlook.

 

R.K. Sarin

  - Original Message - 

  From: Kanchan Pamnani via Ai 

  To: 'Share, empower ' 

  Cc: Kanchan Pamnani 

  Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 6:14 PM

  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

   

  Prashant, 

  Most NGOs hide such incidents therefore we are proud of you for taking 
the right steps.  

  Maybe other NGOs will learn and our faith in the system will be revived. 

   

  Incidents like this happen unfortunately. You can tighten your security 
etc but this can happen again. 

  Much harassment will be doled out to the alleged accused but the same 
harassment will be doled out in greater measure to your organisation and its 
staff and members first. Unfortunately this is how the legal system works in 
India.

  Please keep a track of the matter because if you don't the matter will 
slip under the carpet. This  will take some time to end. 

  You will need to track the police.

  Many in this group have a connection direct or indirect with NAB Delhi 
and would like to keep a track of the  newspaper reports etc. 

  Yes no names must or should be revealed. 

   

  We are with you please go the whole hog even if there is someone from 
inside who is going to be implicated as an accomplice.

  Kanchan   

   

  From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
Prashant Ranjan Verma via Ai
  Sent: 06 September 2017 09:54
  To: 'Harish Kotian via Ai'
  Cc: Prashant Ranjan Verma
  Subject: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

   

  Dear Harish

Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

[r k sarin via Ai]

Sorry sir, it is not a matter of blaming someone unnecessarily rather it is 
a matter of revealing the failure of management which took a day to report 
the police. Obviously, they seem to be more conscious of its pros and cons. 
I do not deny that such happenings may take place anywhere and 24 hour 
surveillance is not possible. If recording was possible as if people were 
aware of its timing and the way it is going to happen, why delay. Moreover, 
by for granting of such things, do we wish to say let it happen.
- Original Message - 
From: "Mahendra Galani via Ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>

To: "Share, empower " <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: "Mahendra Galani" <gal...@chello.at>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident


inspite of family not wanting such insident
happening, it happens also in the family.
who u want to blaim?
u can not have round the clock supervision.
not that i am supporting any  one,
one can have reasonable care,
but its impossible to avoid totaly.
so friends, stop blaiming others, its never easy to run the institute.



At 05:39 PM 9/10/2017 +0530, you wrote:
Some seniors, since beginning they are criticizing the incident though each 
of us has already condemned the incident & expressed our deep concerns over 
the bad incident. Whether anybody have any specific mechanism to avoid 
these kinds of incidents in future?
Each of us knows, it'll not be the first & the last incident of the 
organisation. Every organisation is facing the same kinds of situation in 
different-different ways, so, everybody should have give their valuable 
suggestions to improve the situation of school campus
This is equally true, the incident took place only due to negligence of 
Hostel warden & other resident staff, so, free & fair internal inquiry 
should be conducted to fix the accountability & necessary security majors

Should have taken to avoid these incidents in future.
10 years back, I spent almost one month there for computer training & I was 
too shocked to find the worst situation of discipline inside the campus. 
Their students were involved in various bad activities, like fighting here 
& there in the public transport, using Alcohol, one of their students use 
to come in our room and stolen the mobile of one of our83 years old 
trainees, Mr. Pyaralal Aggarwal.
This is true, their management is totally irresponsible towards the 
students of the campus. They are simply enjoying their life in very good 
premises of the institution only on the names of welfare of these students.
This is equally true, maintaining of discipline inside the campus should 
have been the first priority for the management as well as for some of 
their so called volunteers but I am sorry to say, nobody took all these 
things seriously. Most of these are simply enjoying various facilities 
along with the students & getting attached with the organization for their 
own interest only. Everybody is trying to give a safe passage to their 
staff members in spite of condemning them.
This is the time for these people, whether they should have to be with the 
institution or keep themselves away from the institution. This is the total 
failure of these volunteers & management of the institution
I am quite confident that some positive result will come out which will 
give a better future to the organisation.

----- Original Message -
From: <mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>r k sarin via Ai
To: <mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>Share, empower 
Cc: <mailto:no2illiter...@gmail.com>r k sarin
Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

Who stops the law but the donors are one of the parties of an institution 
which any institution fails to recognise. If it is so, they are supposed to 
know the situation of the concern to which they are giving donation. 
Unfortunately, we call it donation wheras it is the contribution--not a 
selfless one but with a strong feeling and commitment to the cause for 
which donation/contribution is given.

- Original Message -
From: <mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>B. R. Nautial via Ai
To: <mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>Share, empower 
Cc: <mailto:brnaut...@gmail.com>B. R. Nautial
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

Of course! this is not good for the reputation of the institution at all. 
Now, the case has already been handed over to the police and they know, how 
to deal with the case. I am sure! it'll give a very bad signal to the 
donars as well. Everyone of us know, no such institutions can run without 
public support, so let them do their work.

- Original Message -
From: <mailto:ai@accessindia

Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

[r k sarin via Ai]

Let me try to bit personal. Were we doing something wrong while criticising? 
Was the demand of inquiry a wrong idea? Was pointing the lacuna, knowing or 
unknowingly, a serious matter to ponder over wrong? By pointing all this, we 
are trying to say that such things should not happen repeatedly. But if someone 
amongst them say that there is nothing wrong in such incidence, does it not 
give the idea that for them it not a vital issue? This also says what kind of 
filthy approach we have towards this issue. Can you teach such a group 
something which fails to react or show its disagreement upon the comment of one 
of its member? I have no word to say.  
  - Original Message - 
  From: B. R. Nautial via Ai 
  To: Share, empower  
  Cc: B. R. Nautial 
  Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident


  Some seniors, since beginning they are criticizing the incident though each 
of us has already condemned the incident & expressed our deep concerns over the 
bad incident. Whether anybody have any specific mechanism to avoid these kinds 
of incidents in future?

  Each of us knows, it'll not be the first & the last incident of the 
organisation. Every organisation is facing the same kinds of situation in 
different-different ways, so, everybody should have give their valuable 
suggestions to improve the situation of school campus

  This is equally true, the incident took place only due to negligence of 
Hostel warden & other resident staff, so, free & fair internal inquiry should 
be conducted to fix the accountability & necessary security majors 

  Should have taken to avoid these incidents in future. 

  10 years back, I spent almost one month there for computer training & I was 
too shocked to find the worst situation of discipline inside the campus. Their 
students were involved in various bad activities, like fighting here & there in 
the public transport, using Alcohol, one of their students use to come in our 
room and stolen the mobile of one of our83 years old  trainees, Mr. Pyaralal 
Aggarwal. 

  This is true, their management is totally irresponsible towards the students 
of the campus. They are simply enjoying their life in very good premises of the 
institution only on the names of welfare of these students.

  This is equally true, maintaining of discipline inside the campus should have 
been the first priority for the management as well as for some of their so 
called volunteers but I am sorry to say, nobody took all these things 
seriously. Most of these are simply enjoying various facilities along with the 
students & getting attached with the organization for their own interest only. 
Everybody is trying to give a safe passage to their staff members in spite of 
condemning them.

  This is the time for these people, whether they should have to be with the 
institution or keep themselves away from the institution. This is the total 
failure of these volunteers & management of the institution 

  I am quite confident that some positive result will come out which will give 
a better future to the organisation.

- Original Message - 
From: r k sarin via Ai 
To: Share, empower  
Cc: r k sarin 
Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident


Who stops the law but the donors are one of the parties of an institution 
which any institution fails to recognise. If it is so, they are supposed to 
know the situation of the concern to which they are giving donation. 
Unfortunately, we call it donation wheras it is the contribution--not a 
selfless one but with a strong feeling and commitment to the cause for which 
donation/contribution is given. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: B. R. Nautial via Ai 
  To: Share, empower  
  Cc: B. R. Nautial 
  Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 8:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident


  Of course! this is not good for the reputation of the institution at all. 
Now, the case has already been handed over to the police and they know, how to 
deal with the case. I am sure! it'll give a very bad signal to the donars as 
well. Everyone of us know, no such institutions can run without public support, 
so let them do their work.
- Original Message - 
From: r k sarin via Ai 
To: Share, empower  
Cc: r k sarin 
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident


We have come to know some reliable sources that the students are 
disallowing to contact media.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kanchan Pamnani via Ai 
  To: 'Share, empower ' 
  Cc: Kanchan Pamnani 
  Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 6:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict 

Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

[r k sarin via Ai]

Who stops the law but the donors are one of the parties of an institution which 
any institution fails to recognise. If it is so, they are supposed to know the 
situation of the concern to which they are giving donation. Unfortunately, we 
call it donation wheras it is the contribution--not a selfless one but with a 
strong feeling and commitment to the cause for which donation/contribution is 
given. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: B. R. Nautial via Ai 
  To: Share, empower  
  Cc: B. R. Nautial 
  Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 8:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident


  Of course! this is not good for the reputation of the institution at all. 
Now, the case has already been handed over to the police and they know, how to 
deal with the case. I am sure! it'll give a very bad signal to the donars as 
well. Everyone of us know, no such institutions can run without public support, 
so let them do their work.
- Original Message - 
From: r k sarin via Ai 
To: Share, empower  
Cc: r k sarin 
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident


We have come to know some reliable sources that the students are 
disallowing to contact media.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kanchan Pamnani via Ai 
  To: 'Share, empower ' 
  Cc: Kanchan Pamnani 
  Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 6:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident


  Sarinji 

  I  do not think the discussion should be closed. Even if we close it on 
accessindia the press will still carry it and Avinash and others will copy it 
for us. 

  I however think that the reporting to the police has been a good step. 

  I also think that my advice to Prashant that  he must track the matter is 
sound advice.NAB Delhi is going to be harassed by many and we in the sector 
must atleast criticise only after knowing facts.

  Now the next set of problems who will you protect the kids from and to 
what extent?

  Avinash has listed out a few recent incidents.There are many more.  

  Who do you trust- Trustees, management,staff, family members,  
volunteers, politicians,police,  seniors  from the same sex or from the 
opposite sex. Everyone can be suspect and we have to guard against everyone. 
These crimes donot get committed completely by one person. Therefore I had 
mentioned an insider accomplice.   Management cannot be blamed unless it is 
directly involved. If management has taken precaution as much as a prudent man 
would have then we cannot blame management.  

  In many cases the parties have hushed up matters -this is detrimental to 
everyone.

  But blaming anyone before investigation is over is wrong. 

  Kanchan 

   

  From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
r k sarin via Ai
  Sent: 07 September 2017 14:53
  To: Share, empower 
  Cc: r k sarin
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

   

  Kanchan ji, do you think that this superfluous approach will help NAB and 
its institutions in a longer run. Why not to talk about the dilemma of the 
NGOs--services vs. management of funds. purely person outlook.

   

  R.K. Sarin

- Original Message - 

From: Kanchan Pamnani via Ai 

To: 'Share, empower ' 

Cc: Kanchan Pamnani 

Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 6:14 PM

Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

 

Prashant, 

Most NGOs hide such incidents therefore we are proud of you for taking 
the right steps.  

Maybe other NGOs will learn and our faith in the system will be 
revived. 

 

Incidents like this happen unfortunately. You can tighten your security 
etc but this can happen again. 

Much harassment will be doled out to the alleged accused but the same 
harassment will be doled out in greater measure to your organisation and its 
staff and members first. Unfortunately this is how the legal system works in 
India.

Please keep a track of the matter because if you don't the matter will 
slip under the carpet. This  will take some time to end. 

You will need to track the police.

Many in this group have a connection direct or indirect with NAB Delhi 
and would like to keep a track of the  newspaper reports etc. 

Yes no names must or should be revealed. 

 

We are with you please go the whole hog even if there is someone from 
inside who is going to be implicated as an accomplice.

Kanchan   

 

From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf 
Of Prashant Ranjan Verma via Ai
Sent: 06 September 2017 09:54
To: 'Harish Kotian via Ai'
Cc: Prashant Ranjan

Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

[r k sarin via Ai]

Kanchan ji, as a lawyer, please tell me what is the implicattion of reporting a 
mattter after 24 hours and what is its implication. Even if you just tell legal 
position, I will be highly obliged.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kanchan Pamnani via Ai 
  To: 'Share, empower ' 
  Cc: Kanchan Pamnani 
  Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 6:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident


  Sarinji 

  I  do not think the discussion should be closed. Even if we close it on 
accessindia the press will still carry it and Avinash and others will copy it 
for us. 

  I however think that the reporting to the police has been a good step. 

  I also think that my advice to Prashant that  he must track the matter is 
sound advice.NAB Delhi is going to be harassed by many and we in the sector 
must atleast criticise only after knowing facts.

  Now the next set of problems who will you protect the kids from and to what 
extent?

  Avinash has listed out a few recent incidents.There are many more.  

  Who do you trust- Trustees, management,staff, family members,  volunteers, 
politicians,police,  seniors  from the same sex or from the opposite sex. 
Everyone can be suspect and we have to guard against everyone. These crimes 
donot get committed completely by one person. Therefore I had mentioned an 
insider accomplice.   Management cannot be blamed unless it is directly 
involved. If management has taken precaution as much as a prudent man would 
have then we cannot blame management.  

  In many cases the parties have hushed up matters -this is detrimental to 
everyone.

  But blaming anyone before investigation is over is wrong. 

  Kanchan 

   

  From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of r k 
sarin via Ai
  Sent: 07 September 2017 14:53
  To: Share, empower 
  Cc: r k sarin
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

   

  Kanchan ji, do you think that this superfluous approach will help NAB and its 
institutions in a longer run. Why not to talk about the dilemma of the 
NGOs--services vs. management of funds. purely person outlook.

   

  R.K. Sarin

- Original Message - 

From: Kanchan Pamnani via Ai 

To: 'Share, empower ' 

Cc: Kanchan Pamnani 

Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 6:14 PM

Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

 

Prashant, 

Most NGOs hide such incidents therefore we are proud of you for taking the 
right steps.  

Maybe other NGOs will learn and our faith in the system will be revived. 

 

Incidents like this happen unfortunately. You can tighten your security etc 
but this can happen again. 

Much harassment will be doled out to the alleged accused but the same 
harassment will be doled out in greater measure to your organisation and its 
staff and members first. Unfortunately this is how the legal system works in 
India.

Please keep a track of the matter because if you don't the matter will slip 
under the carpet. This  will take some time to end. 

You will need to track the police.

Many in this group have a connection direct or indirect with NAB Delhi and 
would like to keep a track of the  newspaper reports etc. 

Yes no names must or should be revealed. 

 

We are with you please go the whole hog even if there is someone from 
inside who is going to be implicated as an accomplice.

Kanchan   

 

From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
Prashant Ranjan Verma via Ai
Sent: 06 September 2017 09:54
To: 'Harish Kotian via Ai'
Cc: Prashant Ranjan Verma
Subject: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

 

Dear Harish,

The incident reported in the newspapers and by Radio Udaan is under the 
POCSO act where peple are forbidden to reveal anything which  could lead to the 
identity of the victims. 

The way peple discuss things on the AI list, I am afraid it could invite 
legal action  by the police. 

So, please do not allow this to go through. I am ofcourse availableto 
answer fquestions on phone or personal email.

Yesterday Radio Udaan has done a very disturbing show on this already and 
they got  lot of complains already. 

 

Thanks,

 

Prashant Verma 

 

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Re: [Ai] [DKIM Failure] Re: Official state me not of Radio pertaining to the discussion on latest incident in Nab Delhi

[r k sarin via Ai]

You are managing it and if you feel that you are the monarch of all you 
survey, your rights none to dispute--your statement itself amount to closure 
of discussion. Running a group is one thing and tolerating democratic norms 
is another.
- Original Message - 
From: "Kotian, H P via Ai" 

To: "Share, empower " 
Cc: "Kotian, H P" 
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Ai] [DKIM Failure] Re: Official state me not of Radio 
pertaining to the discussion on latest incident in Nab Delhi




All

I don't see any fruitful additional inputs on this happening.

Nobody's rights or voice is curtailed and instead of nagging, may we close 
this thread and move on? We can surely continue, if there is some aspect 
which is not touched as of now. Results of investigation would take some 
time to come by. Until then let us voluntarily close this thread.


Harish.

-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
syed imran via Ai

Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 6:28 AM
To: Share, empower  
Cc: syed imran 
Subject: [DKIM Failure] Re: [Ai] Official state me not of Radio pertaining 
to the discussion on latest incident in Nab Delhi


No organisation or individual has any right to threaten or commit violence 
even if something disagreeable was spoken against them. We are a free 
country and each one of us have a right to raise voices against 
exploitation. So please do not stifle our voices.



On 9/7/17, arpitg56--- via Ai  wrote:



Sent via micromaxOn Sep 7, 2017 3:57 PM, Amit Bhatt via Ai
 wrote:


Dear Danish and Radio Udaan,

Why don't you expose the person and Organization who has threaten you
over

the phone for conducting the show on Radio.
This is a serious matter and needs more focus as threatening over the
phone is itself a crime.

I am surprised indirectly some people are trying to make other
bloggers of

this list afraid by giving legal worning and refraining the
discussion as a whole.

Radio Udaan has also revealed many positive and good things about
various NGO's in previously broadcasted shows, why those
organizations have not raised any question then and why Radio Udaan
was not rewarded for that work if today we are talking about the
legal actions to be taken against a media mode like Radio udaan.

Every matter for every indivisual or group is sensitive and couple of
weeks back a large number of the subscriber of this list have
discussed an issue

related to rape by ablind accused, why this discussion was not 
interupted?


Was that matter not sensitive for the said accused?
How we can be selective about what sensitive matter is to be
discussed or what not.

Let's try to resolve every issue by accepting the pits and falls and
do not try to divert from the main cause of concern

And please also do not try to stop the voices in the name of legal
worning.
The doors of law are open to everyone and lawyers are available to
every citizen of India.

this entire issue was already brought under public domain by various
media

channels.

It would have been nice if one could simply say that we are working
towards this matter and we would require the support from all of you
but unfortunately some members are being threaten or worned. This is
not a right message.

This would be my final message unless we receive any unsolicited or
threatening response.

Thanks,

Amit Bhatt
- Original Message -
From: "Radio Udaan via Ai" 
To: "ai" 
Cc: "Radio Udaan" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 6:29 PM
Subject: [Ai] Official statement of Radioudaan pertaining to the
discussion on latest incident in Nab Delhi

> Official statement of Radioudaan pertaining to the discussion on
> latest incident in Nab Delhi Dear all, Greetings from Radio Udaan
> We, radioudaan, a disability community radio work only and only for
> community and talk about improving the conditions of brothers and
> sisters in the community. Recently we had conducted a discussion on
> the molestation case which took place in NAB, Delhi. Since there
> are so many rumors which r floating around and in this regard we
> have come up with our official statement to clear the air. We have
> got many feedback with respect to the discussion we had last
> evening and many r very happy to see us raise this topic as best as
> we could. On the other hand also we got many complaints from many
> organizations who r very disturbed with our reporting. Also a few
> individuals also complained on the coverage.
> Radio Udaan is a very responsible station and we take full
> responsibility on our coverage. We quote Mr. Prashant Ranjan Verma
> who has written the following statement on a 

Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

[r k sarin via Ai]

Sir, both the sentences are absolute in its nature and both are correlated as 
well. Who will decide who is responsible or who is not. Why this sense of 
responsibility is being taught when there is a need of some people to stand 
strongly for the future of the children. Contacting police after 24 hours means 
a lot and shows how much responsible we are when there is a provision of 
e-based FIR.
  - Original Message - 
  From: George Abraham via Ai 
  To: 'Share, empower ' 
  Cc: George Abraham 
  Sent: Friday, September 08, 2017 8:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident


  Running an institution is a huge responsibility. The management has to be 
constantly alert and alive to possible slips. 

   

  On the other hand freedom of speech too is a huge responsibility. While 
things have to be spoken out, there is need for a degree of maturity and 
sensitivity. 

   

   

   

   

  From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
Dinesh Kaushal via Ai
  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 7:56 AM
  To: Share, empower 
  Cc: Dinesh Kaushal
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

   

  I think some of us have miss understood the statement from Mr. Prashant.

   

  The point was only to restrict the discussion so that identity of the victims 
is not revealed.

   

  I quote below:

   

  

  The incident reported in the newspapers and by Radio Udaan is under the POCSO 
act where people are forbidden to reveal anything which  could lead to the 
identity of the victims. 

  

   

  The statement does not say stop or bar the discussion.

   

  I don't think anybody would object to informed discussion about possible ways 
to fix the systems so that similar incidences do not happen. Besides, it is 
also important that we do not spread information without proof. 

   

   

  From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of r k 
sarin via Ai
  Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 7:29 PM
  To: Share, empower  <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
  Cc: r k sarin <no2illiter...@gmail.com>
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

   

  We have come to know some reliable sources that the students are disallowing 
to contact media.

- Original Message - 

From: Kanchan Pamnani via Ai 

To: 'Share, empower ' 

Cc: Kanchan Pamnani 

Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 6:52 PM

Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

 

Sarinji 

I  do not think the discussion should be closed. Even if we close it on 
accessindia the press will still carry it and Avinash and others will copy it 
for us. 

I however think that the reporting to the police has been a good step. 

I also think that my advice to Prashant that  he must track the matter is 
sound advice.NAB Delhi is going to be harassed by many and we in the sector 
must atleast criticise only after knowing facts.

Now the next set of problems who will you protect the kids from and to what 
extent?

Avinash has listed out a few recent incidents.There are many more.  

Who do you trust- Trustees, management,staff, family members,  volunteers, 
politicians,police,  seniors  from the same sex or from the opposite sex. 
Everyone can be suspect and we have to guard against everyone. These crimes 
donot get committed completely by one person. Therefore I had mentioned an 
insider accomplice.   Management cannot be blamed unless it is directly 
involved. If management has taken precaution as much as a prudent man would 
have then we cannot blame management.  

In many cases the parties have hushed up matters -this is detrimental to 
everyone.

But blaming anyone before investigation is over is wrong. 

Kanchan 

 

From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of r 
k sarin via Ai
Sent: 07 September 2017 14:53
To: Share, empower 
Cc: r k sarin
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

 

Kanchan ji, do you think that this superfluous approach will help NAB and 
its institutions in a longer run. Why not to talk about the dilemma of the 
NGOs--services vs. management of funds. purely person outlook.

 

R.K. Sarin

  - Original Message - 

  From: Kanchan Pamnani via Ai 

  To: 'Share, empower ' 

  Cc: Kanchan Pamnani 

  Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 6:14 PM

  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

   

  Prashant, 

  Most NGOs hide such incidents therefore we are proud of you for taking 
the right steps.  

  Maybe other NGOs will learn and our faith in the system will be revived. 

   

  Incidents like this happen unfortunately. You can tighten your security 
etc but this can happen again. 

  Much harassment will be doled out to the all

Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

[r k sarin via Ai]

Is it only for thhe blind children? What about taking various courses in the 
absence of evidences--and the given evidences are given after 24 hours and what 
is its relevance. If the students are getting facebook message to the children 
by the culprit, who is going to tell them. Law is not everything though it has 
got some relevance. If we have a scientific approach to this happeninng, 
nothing comes out suddenly or miraculously. As I had already said why not to 
peep in the deep.  
  - Original Message - 
  From: SC Vashishth via Ai 
  To: Share, empower  
  Cc: SC Vashishth 
  Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 10:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident


  Thanks Dipendra ji for butting in. How misinformed we are! Minors are never 
exposed to media. There are SOPs to record their statements before the judge in 
a child friendly environment under the law.


  Targetting individuals and bashing of organisation won't help. I feel this 
incident has been handled in most professional manner. Even when kids didn't 
feel it was any abuse, the organisation has taken a right step of registering 
an FIR and bringing the culprit to book. We all need to standby them to see 
that law take its course and case is followed up till it reaches its logical 
conclusion!


  Regards


  Subhash Chandra Vashishth
  Advocate


  On 07-Sep-2017 9:40 PM, "Dipendra Manocha via Ai" 
<ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:

Do you really feel that children should be facing  mainstream media in such 
cases?



The media itself is more sensitive than what is been said here. They 
themselves know that they are not supposed to be speaking to minors and putting 
them through  any such humiliations.



Please stop spreading rumors based on so called reliable sources or 
baseless allegations being leveled by  an individuals on any unverifiable 
public forums. 



Knowingly or unknowingly, such unfounded loose talk may help the offenders 
and weaken our fight against them.



Be rest assured that  as result of investigations, if anyone is found 
guilty, will have the face the consequences.



Thanks

Dipendra





From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of r 
k sarin via Ai
Sent: 07 September 2017 19:29
To: Share, empower  <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: r k sarin <no2illiter...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident



We have come to know some reliable sources that the students are 
disallowing to contact media.

  - Original Message - 

  From: Kanchan Pamnani via Ai 

  To: 'Share, empower ' 

  Cc: Kanchan Pamnani 

  Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 6:52 PM

  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident



  Sarinji 

  I  do not think the discussion should be closed. Even if we close it on 
accessindia the press will still carry it and Avinash and others will copy it 
for us. 

  I however think that the reporting to the police has been a good step. 

  I also think that my advice to Prashant that  he must track the matter is 
sound advice.NAB Delhi is going to be harassed by many and we in the sector 
must atleast criticise only after knowing facts.

  Now the next set of problems who will you protect the kids from and to 
what extent?

  Avinash has listed out a few recent incidents.There are many more.  

  Who do you trust- Trustees, management,staff, family members,  
volunteers, politicians,police,  seniors  from the same sex or from the 
opposite sex. Everyone can be suspect and we have to guard against everyone. 
These crimes donot get committed completely by one person. Therefore I had 
mentioned an insider accomplice.   Management cannot be blamed unless it is 
directly involved. If management has taken precaution as much as a prudent man 
would have then we cannot blame management.  

  In many cases the parties have hushed up matters –this is detrimental to 
everyone.

  But blaming anyone before investigation is over is wrong. 

  Kanchan 



  From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
r k sarin via Ai
  Sent: 07 September 2017 14:53
  To: Share, empower 
  Cc: r k sarin
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident



  Kanchan ji, do you think that this superfluous approach will help NAB and 
its institutions in a longer run. Why not to talk about the dilemma of the 
NGOs--services vs. management of funds. purely person outlook.



  R.K. Sarin

- Original Message - 

From: Kanchan Pamnani via Ai 

To: 'Share, empower ' 

Cc: Kanchan Pamnani 

Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 6:14 PM

Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident



Prashant, 

M

Re: [Ai] [DKIM Failure] Re: Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

[r k sarin via Ai]

gement should learn lessons for future.


From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf
Of r k sarin via Ai
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 2:13 PM
To: Share, empower 
Cc: r k sarin
Subject: [DKIM Failure] Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi
incident

I do not know whether mail will be covered or not, but still writing
with few questions. Is NAB Delhi not a voluntary organisation running
a school for the blind students and is it not the fact that it is not
an individual business? Why personal then and why indirect threat of
police under the term 'perhaps'. Nab did well by lodging an FIR
against person but are we not interested to go beyond in the interest
of organisation who such incident took place in the hostel and we
cannot save our skin by saying that it is a sudden incidence. Nothing
happens suddenly. Nothing hhappens suddenly in this world and with a
person who is cclaimed to be physiccally and mentally unfit. Voluntary
work never means to permit the worstt of the society to the blind
persons and that is why I used to talk about the pathetic condition of
the blind in terms of the outlook towards them by the society at large
and the administrators of the majority of the voluntary organisations.
Are we not interested in bettter image of this prestigious institution
and do we not need to peep into facts in a genuine manner to see the
better future of this institutions. If today, we make use of the
useless tactics by avoiding discussion or making inquiry about these
things, I strongly feel that we are the enemy of this institution and
it will wither away with its misdeeds. to
- Original Message -
From: Prashant Ranjan Verma via
Ai<mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
To: 'Harish Kotian via Ai'<mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: Prashant Ranjan Verma<mailto:prashant...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 9:54 AM
Subject: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

Dear Harish,
The incident reported in the newspapers and by Radio Udaan is under
the POCSO act where peple are forbidden to reveal anything which
could lead to the identity of the victims.
The way peple discuss things on the AI list, I am afraid it could
invite legal action  by the police.
So, please do not allow this to go through. I am ofcourse availableto
answer fquestions on phone or personal email.
Yesterday Radio Udaan has done a very disturbing show on this already
and they got  lot of complains already.

Thanks,

Prashant Verma

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Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

[r k sarin via Ai]

We have come to know some reliable sources that the students are disallowing to 
contact media.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kanchan Pamnani via Ai 
  To: 'Share, empower ' 
  Cc: Kanchan Pamnani 
  Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 6:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident


  Sarinji 

  I  do not think the discussion should be closed. Even if we close it on 
accessindia the press will still carry it and Avinash and others will copy it 
for us. 

  I however think that the reporting to the police has been a good step. 

  I also think that my advice to Prashant that  he must track the matter is 
sound advice.NAB Delhi is going to be harassed by many and we in the sector 
must atleast criticise only after knowing facts.

  Now the next set of problems who will you protect the kids from and to what 
extent?

  Avinash has listed out a few recent incidents.There are many more.  

  Who do you trust- Trustees, management,staff, family members,  volunteers, 
politicians,police,  seniors  from the same sex or from the opposite sex. 
Everyone can be suspect and we have to guard against everyone. These crimes 
donot get committed completely by one person. Therefore I had mentioned an 
insider accomplice.   Management cannot be blamed unless it is directly 
involved. If management has taken precaution as much as a prudent man would 
have then we cannot blame management.  

  In many cases the parties have hushed up matters -this is detrimental to 
everyone.

  But blaming anyone before investigation is over is wrong. 

  Kanchan 

   

  From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of r k 
sarin via Ai
  Sent: 07 September 2017 14:53
  To: Share, empower 
  Cc: r k sarin
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

   

  Kanchan ji, do you think that this superfluous approach will help NAB and its 
institutions in a longer run. Why not to talk about the dilemma of the 
NGOs--services vs. management of funds. purely person outlook.

   

  R.K. Sarin

- Original Message - 

From: Kanchan Pamnani via Ai 

To: 'Share, empower ' 

Cc: Kanchan Pamnani 

Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 6:14 PM

Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

 

Prashant, 

Most NGOs hide such incidents therefore we are proud of you for taking the 
right steps.  

Maybe other NGOs will learn and our faith in the system will be revived. 

 

Incidents like this happen unfortunately. You can tighten your security etc 
but this can happen again. 

Much harassment will be doled out to the alleged accused but the same 
harassment will be doled out in greater measure to your organisation and its 
staff and members first. Unfortunately this is how the legal system works in 
India.

Please keep a track of the matter because if you don't the matter will slip 
under the carpet. This  will take some time to end. 

You will need to track the police.

Many in this group have a connection direct or indirect with NAB Delhi and 
would like to keep a track of the  newspaper reports etc. 

Yes no names must or should be revealed. 

 

We are with you please go the whole hog even if there is someone from 
inside who is going to be implicated as an accomplice.

Kanchan   

 

From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
Prashant Ranjan Verma via Ai
Sent: 06 September 2017 09:54
To: 'Harish Kotian via Ai'
Cc: Prashant Ranjan Verma
Subject: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

 

Dear Harish,

The incident reported in the newspapers and by Radio Udaan is under the 
POCSO act where peple are forbidden to reveal anything which  could lead to the 
identity of the victims. 

The way peple discuss things on the AI list, I am afraid it could invite 
legal action  by the police. 

So, please do not allow this to go through. I am ofcourse availableto 
answer fquestions on phone or personal email.

Yesterday Radio Udaan has done a very disturbing show on this already and 
they got  lot of complains already. 

 

Thanks,

 

Prashant Verma 

 

Creating the Best way to Read and Publish

http://www.daisy.org   

 




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Re: [Ai] Official statement of Radioudaan pertaining to the discussion on latest incident in Nab Delhi

[r k sarin via Ai]

Thanks for this chryystal clear message. The moment any ngo reduces to a 
shop, people for grant many things. I agree that this is not the case in the 
voluntary work of the field of the blind persons, it is being seen at many 
places.
- Original Message - 
From: "Amit Bhatt via Ai" 

To: "Share, empower " 
Cc: "Amit Bhatt" 
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Official statement of Radioudaan pertaining to the 
discussion on latest incident in Nab Delhi




Dear Danish and Radio Udaan,

Why don't you expose the person and Organization who has threaten you over 
the phone for conducting the show on Radio.
This is a serious matter and needs more focus as threatening over the 
phone is itself a crime.


I am surprised indirectly some people are trying to make other bloggers of 
this list afraid by giving legal worning and refraining the discussion as 
a whole.


Radio Udaan has also revealed many positive and good things about various 
NGO's in previously broadcasted shows, why those organizations have not 
raised any question then and why Radio Udaan was not rewarded for that 
work if today we are talking about the legal actions to be taken against a 
media mode like Radio udaan.


Every matter for every indivisual or group is sensitive and couple of 
weeks back a large number of the subscriber of this list have discussed an 
issue related to rape by ablind accused, why this discussion was not 
interupted? Was that matter not sensitive for the said accused?
How we can be selective about what sensitive matter is to be discussed or 
what not.


Let's try to resolve every issue by accepting the pits and falls and do 
not try to divert from the main cause of concern


And please also do not try to stop the voices in the name of legal 
worning. The doors of law are open to everyone and lawyers are available 
to every citizen of India.


this entire issue was already brought under public domain by various media 
channels.


It would have been nice if one could simply say that we are working 
towards this matter and we would require the support from all of you but 
unfortunately some members are being threaten or worned. This is not a 
right message.


This would be my final message unless we receive any unsolicited or 
threatening response.


Thanks,

Amit Bhatt
- Original Message - 
From: "Radio Udaan via Ai" 

To: "ai" 
   Cc: "Radio Udaan" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 6:29 PM
Subject: [Ai] Official statement of Radioudaan pertaining to the 
discussion on latest incident in Nab Delhi




Official statement of Radioudaan pertaining to the discussion on
latest incident in Nab Delhi
Dear all,
Greetings from Radio Udaan
We, radioudaan, a disability community radio work only and only for
community and talk about improving the conditions of brothers and
sisters in the community. Recently we had conducted a discussion on
the molestation case which took place in NAB, Delhi. Since there are
so many rumors which r floating around and in this regard we have come
up with our official statement to clear the air. We have got many
feedback with respect to the discussion we had last evening and many r
very happy to see us raise this topic as best as we could. On the
other hand also we got many complaints from many organizations who r
very disturbed with our reporting. Also a few individuals also
complained on the coverage.
Radio Udaan is a very responsible station and we take full
responsibility on our coverage. We quote Mr. Prashant Ranjan Verma who
has written the following statement on a social platform.,
(The incident reported in the newspapers and by Radio Udaan is under
the POCSO act where people are forbidden to reveal anything which
could lead to the
Identity of the victims.
The way people discuss things on the AI list, I am afraid it could
invite legal action by the police.
So, please do not allow this to go through. I am of course available
to answer questions on phone or personal email.
Yesterday Radio Udaan has done a very disturbing show on this already
and they got lot of complains already.
Thanks,
Prashant Verma)

We would also like to clarify that we take full responsibility and are
ready to face any legal action with regards to our show. As far as the
statement of Mr. Verma that Radio Udaan has done a very disturbing
show and we have got a lot of complaints for that we would like to
clarify that we have got just one complaint which was more of a
threatening call rather than being a complaint.
In India we have right to speak so we cannot stop anyone from
presenting their views and as per the revealing of identity is
concerned we have already removed the objectionable stuff from the
show and we have posted a statement on you tube also. This statement
is given by our general 

Re: [Ai] Official statement of Radioudaan pertaining to the discussion on latest incident in Nab Delhi

[r k sarin via Ai]

Shalini ji, sorry to say that if we are doing something goodd, why do we afraid 
of anything. To discover something one is supposed to be brave. If we cover the 
filth, it will be revealed--may be after some time. Why not to be honest and 
peep in the deep. It is not necessary that things are happening due to the 
administration but its basic reason is supposed to be traced. Hope you do not 
mind it because I am saying all this with good intention as I am also running a 
small NGO within my limitation and it hurts me if an NGO is defamed but, at the 
same time, if something is going wrong in any institution, it should provoke 
all sensible citizens to approach the authorities to find its roots.

R.K. Sarin   
  - Original Message - 
  From: NAB India Centre For Blind Women Delhi via Ai 
  To: Share, empower  
  Cc: NAB India Centre For Blind Women Delhi 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 6:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Official statement of Radioudaan pertaining to the 
discussion on latest incident in Nab Delhi


  I think the only concern right now in the mind of NAB should be the victims 
and their emotional balance and that of other kids. Rest has been done with the 
police complaint.  


  It should just be a road map for other organizations to keep a check on 
visitors. And there's no room for slain and slander here. The case details have 
been given to police and media.


  Some discussion at Radio udaan did go out of sync yesterday and was not 
required. It's a sensitive issue and let's handle it sensitively for the 
benefit of the kids. 


  Our objective to have been on the show was to take a direction forward for 
society to be more aware and not for blame game. 


  While such shows are important,  they must be handled in a more planned 
approach. 


  NAB shall make plans to empower itself with better policies to secure kids 
even further in the wake of the changing face of society. 


  Regards


  Shalini Khanna 
  Director
  NAB India Centre For Blind Women and Disability Studies 
  L25 Hauz Khas Enclave
  New Delhi 110016


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Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

[r k sarin via Ai]

Kanchan ji, do you think that this superfluous approach will help NAB and its 
institutions in a longer run. Why not to talk about the dilemma of the 
NGOs--services vs. management of funds. purely person outlook.

R.K. Sarin
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kanchan Pamnani via Ai 
  To: 'Share, empower ' 
  Cc: Kanchan Pamnani 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 6:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident


  Prashant, 

  Most NGOs hide such incidents therefore we are proud of you for taking the 
right steps.  

  Maybe other NGOs will learn and our faith in the system will be revived. 

   

  Incidents like this happen unfortunately. You can tighten your security etc 
but this can happen again. 

  Much harassment will be doled out to the alleged accused but the same 
harassment will be doled out in greater measure to your organisation and its 
staff and members first. Unfortunately this is how the legal system works in 
India.

  Please keep a track of the matter because if you don't the matter will slip 
under the carpet. This  will take some time to end. 

  You will need to track the police.

  Many in this group have a connection direct or indirect with NAB Delhi and 
would like to keep a track of the  newspaper reports etc. 

  Yes no names must or should be revealed. 

   

  We are with you please go the whole hog even if there is someone from inside 
who is going to be implicated as an accomplice.

  Kanchan   

   

  From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
Prashant Ranjan Verma via Ai
  Sent: 06 September 2017 09:54
  To: 'Harish Kotian via Ai'
  Cc: Prashant Ranjan Verma
  Subject: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

   

  Dear Harish,

  The incident reported in the newspapers and by Radio Udaan is under the POCSO 
act where peple are forbidden to reveal anything which  could lead to the 
identity of the victims. 

  The way peple discuss things on the AI list, I am afraid it could invite 
legal action  by the police. 

  So, please do not allow this to go through. I am ofcourse availableto 
answer fquestions on phone or personal email.

  Yesterday Radio Udaan has done a very disturbing show on this already and 
they got  lot of complains already. 

   

  Thanks,

   

  Prashant Verma 

   

  Creating the Best way to Read and Publish

  http://www.daisy.org   

   



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Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident

[r k sarin via Ai]

I do not know whether mail will be covered or not, but still writing with few 
questions. Is NAB Delhi not a voluntary organisation running a school for the 
blind students and is it not the fact that it is not an individual business? 
Why personal then and why indirect threat of police under the term 'perhaps'. 
Nab did well by lodging an FIR against person but are we not interested to go 
beyond in the interest of organisation who such incident took place in the 
hostel and we cannot save our skin by saying that it is a sudden incidence. 
Nothing happens suddenly. Nothing hhappens suddenly in this world and with a 
person who is cclaimed to be physiccally and mentally unfit. Voluntary work 
never means to permit the worstt of the society to the blind persons and that 
is why I used to talk about the pathetic condition of the blind in terms of the 
outlook towards them by the society at large and the administrators of the 
majority of the voluntary organisations. Are we not interested in bettter image 
of this prestigious institution and do we not need to peep into facts in a 
genuine manner to see the better future of this institutions. If today, we make 
use of the useless tactics by avoiding discussion or making inquiry about these 
things, I strongly feel that we are the enemy of this institution and it will 
wither away with its misdeeds. to 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Prashant Ranjan Verma via Ai 
  To: 'Harish Kotian via Ai' 
  Cc: Prashant Ranjan Verma 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 9:54 AM
  Subject: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident


  Dear Harish,

  The incident reported in the newspapers and by Radio Udaan is under the POCSO 
act where peple are forbidden to reveal anything which  could lead to the 
identity of the victims. 

  The way peple discuss things on the AI list, I am afraid it could invite 
legal action  by the police. 

  So, please do not allow this to go through. I am ofcourse availableto 
answer fquestions on phone or personal email.

  Yesterday Radio Udaan has done a very disturbing show on this already and 
they got  lot of complains already. 

   

  Thanks,

   

  Prashant Verma 

   

  Creating the Best way to Read and Publish

  http://www.daisy.org   

   



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Re: [Ai] Zoo visit a wildlife class for blind students

[r k sarin via Ai]

Good posting avinash.
- Original Message - 
From: "avinash shahi via Ai" 
To: "ai" ; "jnuvision" 


Cc: "avinash shahi" 
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 1:35 PM
Subject: [Ai] Zoo visit a wildlife class for blind students



LUCKNOW: As many as 35 visually
challenged children
and youths were taken for an excursion to the city
zoo
on Saturday. The children learnt about wild animals by touching their
statues and talking to
zoo keepers.
For 18-year-old
Ashish,
who is visually impaired since birth, it was no less than an
adventure. "A swamp deer has so many antlers, I thought animals have
only two horns," he said.
The group was also taken on a toy train ride..
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/zoo-visit-a-wildlife-class-for-disabled/articleshow/60242853.cms

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Re: [Ai] Delhi HC observed: ’Differently-abled don’t have substantive equality’

[r k sarin via Ai]

True and that is why to bring them at par, certain steps are bound to be 
taken. The maxim for equality is: equality among the equals.
- Original Message - 
From: "Asudani, Rajesh via Ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>

To: "Share, empower " <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in>
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Delhi HC observed: ’Differently-abled don’t have 
substantive equality’




I agree.
I believe there cannot be and should not be equality for disability.
Relevant differences are ignored in the name of equality.
Substantive equality demands sameness as well as difference should be duly 
recognized.
But I am afraid even here, the test of intelligible differentia and 
rational nexus for different treatment is often contingent upon the person 
applying it and judges adjudicating it, and disabled stand to loose out, 
always.


I don't have a ready solution for this.


-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
r k sarin via Ai

Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:55 AM
To: Share, empower 
Cc: r k sarin
Subject: Re: [Ai] Delhi HC observed: ’Differently-abled don’t have 
substantive equality’


Thinks cannot be changed so easily and is more true about the preconceived
notions about the minorities in general and disabilities in particular. At
the same time, within the disabilities, it is truer about the blind 
persons.
Some of the people may boast about equality on the basis of their 
so-called

achievements or financial position.
- Original Message -
From: "avinash shahi via Ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
To: "ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>; "jnuvision"
<jnuvis...@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "avinash shahi" <shahi88avin...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 1:15 PM
Subject: [Ai] Delhi HC observed: ’Differently-abled don’t have
substantive equality’



Can we get to know more about this observance? The Hindu has not
covered it in detail.
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-newdelhi/differently-abled-dont-have-substantive-equality/article19542884.ece


Despite constitutional guarantee of equality before law, the harsh
reality is that differently-abled persons do not have any substantive
equality, the
Delhi High Court observed on Tuesday. It said that it was the
responsibility of every authority and person to ensure social justice
and equality to the
marginalised.


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Re: [Ai] Delhi HC observed: ’Differently-abled don’t have substantive equality’

[r k sarin via Ai]

Thinks cannot be changed so easily and is more true about the preconceived 
notions about the minorities in general and disabilities in particular. At 
the same time, within the disabilities, it is truer about the blind persons. 
Some of the people may boast about equality on the basis of their so-called 
achievements or financial position.
- Original Message - 
From: "avinash shahi via Ai" 
To: "ai" ; "jnuvision" 


Cc: "avinash shahi" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 1:15 PM
Subject: [Ai] Delhi HC observed: ’Differently-abled don’t have 
substantive equality’




Can we get to know more about this observance? The Hindu has not
covered it in detail.
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-newdelhi/differently-abled-dont-have-substantive-equality/article19542884.ece


Despite constitutional guarantee of equality before law, the harsh
reality is that differently-abled persons do not have any substantive
equality, the
Delhi High Court observed on Tuesday. It said that it was the
responsibility of every authority and person to ensure social justice
and equality to the
marginalised.


--
Avinash Shahi
Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU
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Re: [Ai] Blind Professor has assumed charge as the head of the law department in Allahabad University

[r k sarin via Ai]

Congratulations to him. However, prior to this, such post was held in 
Maharashtra by a persons with blindness.
- Original Message - 
From: "avinash shahi via Ai" 
To: "ai" ; "jnuvision" 


Cc: "avinash shahi" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 3:16 PM
Subject: [Ai] Blind Professor has assumed charge as the head of the law 
department in Allahabad University




As per the Jagran report, Prof Sidhnath Sonkar who's totally blind has
begun discharging his duty as the head of the law department at
Allahabad University. He did his LLB and LLM in early 1980s. He's an
expert in corporate/company laws and currently supervising more than 7
doctoral candidates. Read more in Hindi
http://www.jagran.com/uttar-pradesh/allahabad-city-blind-professor-is-hod-in-allahabad-university-16465036.html
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Re: [Ai] Question about dealing with parents having a regressive view about the capabilities of the disabled

[r k sarin via Ai]

Really true. Problem starts from not holding stick or feeling bad in holding 
it.
- Original Message - 
From: "vivek doddamani via Ai" 

To: "Share, empower " 
Cc: "vivek doddamani" 
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Question about dealing with parents having a regressive 
view about the capabilities of the disabled




here one thing everybody should understand if we hold white cane in
your hand anybody will come forward to help you, this I have noticed
in Delhi & bangalore, but unfortunately many totally blind persons are
also hesitating to hold white cane, one best example i came across on
9th August 2017 that is yesterday while crossing in ITO area of Delhi
I was holding white cane to cross the road a auto driver who was
waiting for passanger he himself came forward and helped me to cross
one of the busiest road of Delhi,, for poor blind persons white cane
is the only escort,

On 8/9/17, Asudani, Rajesh via Ai  
wrote:

A totally blind person's dependence,  or call it interdependence is more
than an average sighted person's.
If anybody lives in denial, I cannot help it.

You get many kinds of cheap labour only because India is poor.
But it does not negate the need for such labour.

The case in point is how to convince reluctant parents that a totally 
blind
person can travel safely, sometimes all alone, at other times with 
reliable

assistance, but not necessarily of parents' choice.


-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of
avinash shahi via Ai
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 4:36 PM
To: Share, empower 
Cc: avinash shahi
Subject: Re: [Ai] Question about dealing with parents having a regressive
view about the capabilities of the disabled

As Mr Galani said: "Dependence is not undignified" I agree and I
believe in the practical notion of interdependence. We all whether
disabled or non-disabled are interdependent beings. But being a
disabled, accompanying escort certainly brings many uncomfortable
gazes about ones abilities  and capabilities. I often wonder if India
was a rich developed country could blind people had afford escorts?
I've no qualm in writing on publick platform, its a blessing for blind
people that India is a poor country where cheap labour is available in
abundance. So if you're blind and you've job and little bit money you
can hire less educated, semi/unskilled attendant. Otherwise in the
fast growing world no one has time to say hy to non-disabled let alone
blind people. So poverty of others is a critical constituency which
enables blind people to take escort along. Otherwise, how many car
walas come out of their cars and help blind individuals? its rikshaw
pullers and auto wala uncles and near/distant relatives who are less
educated and out of formal job become escort.




On 8/8/17, Asudani, Rajesh via Ai 
wrote:

Well, could not fully comprehend scholarly language.
But what I understood is that dependence is  undignified.
So, be it, rather than risking unruly traffic and people.

Escort is not there to be interested in the activity or seminar I am
attending, but to catter to my needs arising out of my blindness.

Balanced way is to take help, wherever necessary.
Necessity may differ with background, specific situation and   monetary
capacity.


-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf 
Of

avinash shahi via Ai
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:46 AM
To: Share, empower 
Cc: avinash shahi
Subject: Re: [Ai] Question about dealing with parents having a 
regressive

view about the capabilities of the disabled

Just sharing a sentence from a working paper which I've cited for
publication consideration.  Colrege: (1999) while commenting about
youth with disabilities writes: 'what are the markers of being an
adult for an individual with disabilities, who is regarded as
dependent, in need of care and overprotected' (cited in Singal, 2008).
Now questions arise: In a growing age of hyper capitalism and
individual excellence,does dependence entails any degree of dignity?
And on a moral ground  should our conscience allow us to always
accompany escort if he/she is not at all interested in the events
we're to attend? I've been to many seminars/conferences in Indian
cities and have found that many educated blind people bring escorts
who're least interested for the seminar. And then they demand
reimbursement for their travel cost on account of their blindness.
This is the reason the Indian Council of Social Science Research and
Council of Historical Research resist from funding blind people cause
they don't only seek funding for their travel cost but their escorts
also.
 On 8/8/17, Asudani, Rajesh via Ai 
wrote:

If the poor blind venture out 

Re: [Ai] Fwd: Re: Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[r k sarin via Ai]

Yes, he is also a human being but have you ever thought how male gives response 
when there is a denial from woman and in the case of a woman who expresses her 
wishes and there is a refusal from the man under any reason, I am not calling 
it under any guise, despite being the life partner, she is being looked down 
upon with the wores like uncultured.
  - Original Message - 
  From: lalan via Ai 
  To: Share, empower  
  Cc: lalan 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:14 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Fwd: Re: Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times 
yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman


  Thanks friend for your well info, but my question is if wife can be called a 
human then why man cannot be? Suppose, if someone’s wife or partnor try to 
force that person for her needs and laws are also available them to force mails 
to fulfill their needs then why cannot be a law for helping mail for ignorance 
or forcement? what here has happened here with this mails. Untill he was 
fulfilling her needs she went to him making him available for everything. One 
has also said that a girl forced a man to marry after job but before that she 
ignored his proposal. One thing for sure, that we do not know the ground 
reallity of boath mail and feamail what ever case they  were faceing when this 
insident occurred and became boath of each went against hence untill we 
understand complete matter and points of boath side equally, we cannot make the 
right judgement. So, I think mr kapoor should definitely go to high court to 
get the justice because, we can fully understand the importance of a job and 
how a blind person fight whole life to get a job. What can be done of this one 
sided laws in our country?
  I know that this era is of cheating one another, whether mail or feamail. But 
thank you so much again for reply to my mail. Actually
  From: George Abraham via Ai 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 7:06 AM
  To: 'Share, empower ' 
  Cc: George Abraham 
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Fwd: Re: Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times 
yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

  It can be a need, duty and hunger but it cannot be forced. The wife has to be 
willing. If it is forced, it is rape in my book. Please remember, the wife too 
is human with dignity, feelings,moods,  desires etc. She is not a commodity one 
purchases. If husband and wife live as mature adults with love and respect for 
each other, there is no need to go to court.

   

  From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
lalan via Ai
  Sent: 09 August 2017 04:37
  To: mahesh09136 via Ai
  Cc: lalan
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Fwd: Re: Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times 
yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

   

  HI George sir, and dear friends,, can you make me clear that what is sex all 
about? Is it need or duty after marrege or hunger of a person? Can a man 
challange ever his wife in a court about sex needs? if not at all, then man 
should have been aworded the right of multiple marrege. So I agree fully with 
mr prateek.

  thank Prateek to support the right side

  On 7/27/2017 6:59 AM, mahesh09136 via Ai wrote:

 

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 Original message 

From: George Abraham via Ai mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in 

Date: 26/07/2017 5:15 pm (GMT+05:30) 

To: "'Share, empower '" mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in 

Cc: George Abraham mailto:george.abrah...@gmail.com 

Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: 
Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman 

 

Just to make a small observation:

1. Even if a husband forces himself on his wife if the wife is not willing, 
in my understanding it amounts to rape. Strange as it may sound.

2. Even if two  adults are having regular sex for two years if the guy 
forces himself on the woman when she is not willing, it is rape.

Lawyers on the list could check this out!

George

-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
bhawani shankar verma via Ai
Sent: 26 July 2017 16:31
To: Share, empower 
Cc: bhawani shankar verma
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: 
Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

right prateek, how can a consensus sex be converted to rape? if that widow 
was not agreed on her first encounter, why she did not go to police after 
first encounter? she was waiting far 2 years to trap that man? 
unfortunately, men have to suffer in india due to these gender biased laws.




-Original Message- 
From: prateek aggarwal via Ai
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 3:51 PM
To: Share, empower 
Cc: prateek aggarwal

Re: [Ai] Fwd: Re: Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[r k sarin via Ai]

In a male-dominated society, if a female is raising her voice, don't you think 
it is more than sufficient of any proof. For mutual consent false promises are 
not needed. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: lalan via Ai 
  To: Share, empower  
  Cc: lalan 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:14 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Fwd: Re: Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times 
yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman


  Thanks friend for your well info, but my question is if wife can be called a 
human then why man cannot be? Suppose, if someone’s wife or partnor try to 
force that person for her needs and laws are also available them to force mails 
to fulfill their needs then why cannot be a law for helping mail for ignorance 
or forcement? what here has happened here with this mails. Untill he was 
fulfilling her needs she went to him making him available for everything. One 
has also said that a girl forced a man to marry after job but before that she 
ignored his proposal. One thing for sure, that we do not know the ground 
reallity of boath mail and feamail what ever case they  were faceing when this 
insident occurred and became boath of each went against hence untill we 
understand complete matter and points of boath side equally, we cannot make the 
right judgement. So, I think mr kapoor should definitely go to high court to 
get the justice because, we can fully understand the importance of a job and 
how a blind person fight whole life to get a job. What can be done of this one 
sided laws in our country?
  I know that this era is of cheating one another, whether mail or feamail. But 
thank you so much again for reply to my mail. Actually
  From: George Abraham via Ai 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 7:06 AM
  To: 'Share, empower ' 
  Cc: George Abraham 
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Fwd: Re: Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times 
yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

  It can be a need, duty and hunger but it cannot be forced. The wife has to be 
willing. If it is forced, it is rape in my book. Please remember, the wife too 
is human with dignity, feelings,moods,  desires etc. She is not a commodity one 
purchases. If husband and wife live as mature adults with love and respect for 
each other, there is no need to go to court.

   

  From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
lalan via Ai
  Sent: 09 August 2017 04:37
  To: mahesh09136 via Ai
  Cc: lalan
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Fwd: Re: Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times 
yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

   

  HI George sir, and dear friends,, can you make me clear that what is sex all 
about? Is it need or duty after marrege or hunger of a person? Can a man 
challange ever his wife in a court about sex needs? if not at all, then man 
should have been aworded the right of multiple marrege. So I agree fully with 
mr prateek.

  thank Prateek to support the right side

  On 7/27/2017 6:59 AM, mahesh09136 via Ai wrote:

 

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 Original message 

From: George Abraham via Ai mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in 

Date: 26/07/2017 5:15 pm (GMT+05:30) 

To: "'Share, empower '" mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in 

Cc: George Abraham mailto:george.abrah...@gmail.com 

Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: 
Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman 

 

Just to make a small observation:

1. Even if a husband forces himself on his wife if the wife is not willing, 
in my understanding it amounts to rape. Strange as it may sound.

2. Even if two  adults are having regular sex for two years if the guy 
forces himself on the woman when she is not willing, it is rape.

Lawyers on the list could check this out!

George

-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
bhawani shankar verma via Ai
Sent: 26 July 2017 16:31
To: Share, empower 
Cc: bhawani shankar verma
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: 
Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

right prateek, how can a consensus sex be converted to rape? if that widow 
was not agreed on her first encounter, why she did not go to police after 
first encounter? she was waiting far 2 years to trap that man? 
unfortunately, men have to suffer in india due to these gender biased laws.




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From: prateek aggarwal via Ai
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 3:51 PM
To: Share, empower 
Cc: prateek aggarwal
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: 
Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

The widow went in a guest house with 

Re: [Ai] Denial of Banking services

[r k sarin via Ai]

Agreed but even, if top officers failed to do so, the top activists in our 
field do not show much interest in a general policy. We are rather interested 
in individual cases and if that is case is solved, we feel everything is done.
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  Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 2:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Denial of Banking services


  Dear Harish,

   

  The main problem with the banks is that the left hand does not know what the 
right hand is doing. Today if SBI Nehru Place agrees to provide services to 
blind after providing necessary circular, the next day another branch within 
the same city denies facilities.

   

  The problem really lies with the top management. They have not bothered to 
ensure that all public dealing professionals in the bank are aware of the 
rules. Solving individual cases through your meeting will not regularise the 
uniform implementation of rules across the country. Most officials do not 
bother to read circulars specially those pertaining to people with 
disabilities. This fact has to be taken on board. 

   

  From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
Kotian, H P via Ai
  Sent: 04 August 2017 12:45
  To: Share, empower 
  Cc: Kotian, H P
  Subject: [Ai] Denial of Banking services

   

  All

   

  I will be attending a meeting with Indian Bankers Association (IBA) on the 
above subject. It is often told by the Banks, there is no discrimination done 
to the disabled. However, we know in the ground reality it is not the case.

  We want to document and present the facts during the meeting.

   

  If you or if you know of any disabled person to whom banking services has 
been denied owing to disability, Please furnish the following information:

   

  1 Name

  2 Bank and Branch

  3 Services requested

  4 Nature of denial

  5 Approximate date of the incident.

  6 Name or designation of the official in the Bank.

  7 Any documentation or email denying the fascility.

   

  Please send by 8th August on my email: hp.kot...@gmail.com

   

  Not on the list please.

   

  Harish Kotian

   

   

   

   


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Re: [Ai] Odisha: Anwesha Ambaly reports: "State govt to employ more disabled people"

[r k sarin via Ai]

Good news if duly implemented and if proper justice is made with persons 
with visual challenge.
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Cc: "avinash shahi" 
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 12:19 PM
Subject: [Ai] Odisha: Anwesha Ambaly reports: "State govt to employ more 
disabled people"




Bhubaneswar, Aug. 3: The state government is taking steps to increase
representations of Persons with Disabilities (PwDs) in government
organisations.
https://www.telegraphindia.com/1170804/jsp/odisha/story_165428.jsp
Last year, 16 PwDs had qualified in the Odisha Civil Services examination.

Free pre-recruitment training will be provided to the
differently-abled people for various posts in government sectors,
including banks, railway, insurance and competitive examinations for
other posts.

Secretary of the social security and empowerment of Persons with
Disabilities department Nitin Chandra said: "The PwDs, who are
graduate but unemployed, must apply on the department website to avail
themselves of the three-month free coaching for recruitment
examinations."


Also, a modern career library with grant of Rs 50 lakh will be set up
on the National Career Service Centre for Differently-abled's premises
at Gandamunda. "Both the coaching centre and the library will start
functioning next month," said Chandra.

State commissioner for the PwDs Minati Behera said: "The Rights of PwD
Act, 2016, stipulates at least 4 per cent reservation in government
jobs, 5 per cent in higher education and inclusion of the PwDs in
mainstream through skill development and vocational training
programmes."

She also said the act had severe penal provisions for non-compliance
of the same and commission would keep a close watch on its
implementation. However, activists feel that the number of students
from Odisha qualifying national-level recruitment exams is less
compared to other states. "The representation is quite higher in other
parts of the country, but here it is very low. We have to provide them
with better training opportunities to make sure that they at least get
a chance to perform," said social activist Asit Kumar Behera.

Besides, the state government has directed for the reservation of 5
per cent seats of the PwDs in all the Plus Two and Plus Three colleges
in Odisha to ensure that they had easy access to higher education.

"The directive has been issued to the necessary authorities, and they
have been asked to follow the system strictly," said a higher
education department official.




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Re: [Ai] Shivani Naik reports in the IE today:" Khel Ratna Devendra Jhajharia breaks the glass ceiling"

[r k sarin via Ai]

Good posting. One comment, in case of disability, they see more problems in 
other disabilities rather than their own. But, in majority of the casees, 
people living in bad conditions generally talk about themselves.
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Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 10:56 AM
Subject: [Ai] Shivani Naik reports in the IE today:" Khel Ratna Devendra 
Jhajharia breaks the glass ceiling"




The first step had been the hardest for Devendra Jhajharia — stepping
out of the house soon after his forearm needed to be amputated when he
got electrocuted
as an 8-year-old. On a day when he became India’s first para-athlete
to be conferred the Khel Ratna, the 36-year-old recalled the dread
he’d felt leaving
the house for the first time after the doctor had performed the
procedure. “I was afraid of going in front of people. You can imagine
as an 8-year-old,
all the fears of being taunted — most of which happened. But it’s what
my mother told me that day that’s gotten me the Khel Ratna. Parents
with a child
with disability would’ve gotten protective and said — sit at home and
study hard. My mother told me — start going out and playing a sport,”
he says.
http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/sport-others/devendra-jhajharia-latest-khel-ratna-breaks-the-glass-ceiling-4781401/
It was this reinforcement from the family that gave him the confidence
— the self-assurance with which he declares: “I won a gold medal with
a world record
in 2004 at the Athens Paralympics, and I did it again at Rio. I knew
even back then that I deserved the Khel Ratna. In fact it’s come 12
years late,” he
says, having beaten strong Chinese contenders both times for the top
podium. “China ko haraane ka mazaa kuchh aur hi hai. They are strong
opponents on
the sports field, and strong rivals otherwise,” he says.

While the awarding of India’s highest sporting honour to the javelin
thrower signifies the ultimate mainstreaming of para-sports in
society, making it
a seminal moment for sports — for champs with disability, Jhajharia’s
Khel Ratna is also an apt recognition of his sheer sporting
excellence. Just like
India’s only gold medallist in able-bodied Games Abhinav Bindra sought
the best technical training in Germany, Jhajharia showed the intent to
pursue excellence
by travelling to javelin’s greatest training centre — the Kuortane
Olympic Training centre in Finland.

“Many people doubted whether I’d be able to win gold again after 2004.
I was older and not in my 20s, but I decided to work harder and
trained with the
world’s Top 10 elite athletes. Competing with them I learnt a lot, and
the whole awareness of Paralympics and the reach of social media
ensured that when
I won again with a world record, it was a delightful experience to be
recognised. The Khel Ratna caps it all,” he added.

A naughty child who liked climbing trees, Devendra was not allowed to
think his act of hanging off a tree-trunk had cost him his forearm. “I
was taught
to think differently by my parents and coach. I had to meet
difficulties head-on. If I had different challenges — I had to think
out-of-the-box in my training
and approach too,” he said. This included using dumb-bells instead of
a bench-press to compensate for the missing weight training and
exercises he and
coach RD Singh devised.

“Everyone faces difficulties. Growing up, my idol was Milkha Singh who
didn’t have proper shoes to start with. Then I took inspiration from
Sachin Tendulkar
— who showed determination to play long and win the World Cup. I want
all kids — able-bodied and disabled to remember that if they decide to
win, nothing
can stop them,” he said. Much has changed for para-athletes since 2004
when Jhajharia, a lean unassuming javelin thrower who had started out
in the sport
with a ‘bhala’ he’d carved out himself, clinched gold. He recalls
playing a lot of table tennis with para champs from Argentina and
Kenya, and keeping
those friendships alive. While the national anthem rung out for the
first time at the Games, back home it hastened the Paralympics
Committee of India getting
official recognition in 2006 on the back of a gold and bronze in power
lifting — one of the last acts ensured by then sports minister Sunil
Dutt.

Jhajharia promises to take the disability rights movement further and
a day before the announcement, was busy talking to activists about the
Rajasthan
High Court order. “Even yesterday he was enquiring about details of
the discrimination in government jobs against those with disability,”
said Pradeep
K, a Delhi-based activist. “Even sporting federations think that by
building a ramp they’ve done everything for ensuring accessibility.
But that’s just
the first step. With Devendra’s award, we’re sure he’ll take the
message further.”

Para powerlifting coach Munishwar, who went to 

Re: [Ai] Hindustan Times hate series: I urged them to carry a report on violence faced by disabled

[r k sarin via Ai]

true. It looks as if somebody is pulling you as an animal instead of guiing.
- Original Message - 
From: "gatak singh via Ai" 

To: "Share, empower " 
Cc: "gatak singh" 
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Hindustan Times hate series: I urged them to carry a 
report on violence faced by disabled




when I was studying in college, I have come across some people who
would hold your cane and guide you. this is the most annoying
situation. in that situation, I feel that there is no problem if they
dont guide me, but I dont like guiding that way.
why only sighted girls?
I have also seen few partially sighted, or you may also call them
partially blind girls, who refuse, or dislike to hold your hands and
guide.
what do you listers have to say on this?
actually, I dont agree with the cultural barriers. the person who
feels that he should help will help anyway. it all depends upon their
thinking. I had some very close friends, specially girlfriends, who
would hold my hands, guide me to the bus stop from my college, wait
till my bus comes, help me to board the bus, then go.
there are every kind of people. just we have to bare everything.
On 8/2/17, avinash shahi via Ai  
wrote:

Thank you for sharing this heart-piercing incident. Many of us
encounter similar hate and scorn from so called normal people. Its
thus very critical we discuss about it.

On 8/2/17, vivek doddamani via Ai 
wrote:

good, Disabled are hated ALL OVER IN SOCIETY EXCEPT IN FEW CONDITION,
IN GOVERNMENT OFFICES, PUBLIC TRANSPORT, SHOPPING MOLLS EVEN IN
HOSPITALS ALSO, RECENTLY I heard from one of my friend in Karnataka a
lady in laboratory who had to test the blind person Blood samples did
not hold his hand to take him to chair instead she was telling him to
come forward, turn left, search there is chair sit on that and even
after giving samples she did not lead him to door but left alone to go
out not even guided him the way to go out, I felt very sorry for this
incident, this happened in Shimoga in Karnataka.

On 8/2/17, avinash shahi via Ai 
wrote:

I respond to Hindustan Times hate series stories. I’m a blind research
scholar pursuing PhD at Centre for Law and Governance JNU. Your
reportage on hate crimes faced by Dalits, people from the Northeast
and religious minorities have been very thought-provoking. Please do
one on disability as well. People with disabilities have to encounter
multiple hates due to their multiple identities. A disabled person can
be Muslim, scheduled caste and woman and his/her identities make
him/her vulnerable to countless taunts and slurs.

"‘It’s time for compassion’: HT readers respond to Let’s Talk About 
Hate

"
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Re: [Ai] Hindustan Times hate series: I urged them to carry a report on violence faced by disabled

[r k sarin via Ai]

It is not merely the case of India, you can find the similar customs in 
traditional Africans, the women are even disallowed to touch the stick of 
men.
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From: "Asudani, Rajesh via Ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>

To: "Share, empower " <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Hindustan Times hate series: I urged them to carry a 
report on violence faced by disabled




We in India are hipocrates of first degree.
We regard body as nashwar, perishable, worthless, but regard it as most 
important.

We can construe touch only in sexual terms.
So, the cultural and individual inhibitions against touching.

I would regard it as hateful if a lady refuses to lead me by hand and 
guides me around hafhazardly.


But, the hate is not intentional, but culturally ingrained, so much so 
that it is not hate prima facie.



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Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 7:25 AM
To: Share, empower 
Cc: r k sarin
Subject: Re: [Ai] Hindustan Times hate series: I urged them to carry a 
report on violence faced by disabled


No culture teaches hate. Even no culture teaches not to touch anybody if 
he

is in trouble. We just fail to put ourselves in the same place.
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From: "George Abraham via Ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
To: "'Share, empower '" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: "George Abraham" <george.abrah...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Hindustan Times hate series: I urged them to carry a
report on violence faced by disabled



Not sure if we can call this hate. This could have also happened due to
cultural reasons. This happened to me at the Colombo airport a few years
ago. When I landed at Colombo, a lady staff of the airport came to assist
me. She refused to allow me to hold her elbow. She told me that it was
culturally not acceptable.

It can also be due to a lack of training or orientation.

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From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of
vivek doddamani via Ai
Sent: 02 August 2017 15:39
To: Share, empower 
Cc: vivek doddamani
Subject: Re: [Ai] Hindustan Times hate series: I urged them to carry a
report on violence faced by disabled

good, Disabled are hated ALL OVER IN SOCIETY EXCEPT IN FEW CONDITION,
IN GOVERNMENT OFFICES, PUBLIC TRANSPORT, SHOPPING MOLLS EVEN IN
HOSPITALS ALSO, RECENTLY I heard from one of my friend in Karnataka a
lady in laboratory who had to test the blind person Blood samples did
not hold his hand to take him to chair instead she was telling him to
come forward, turn left, search there is chair sit on that and even
after giving samples she did not lead him to door but left alone to go
out not even guided him the way to go out, I felt very sorry for this
incident, this happened in Shimoga in Karnataka.

On 8/2/17, avinash shahi via Ai <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
wrote:

I respond to Hindustan Times hate series stories. I’m a blind research
scholar pursuing PhD at Centre for Law and Governance JNU. Your
reportage on hate crimes faced by Dalits, people from the Northeast
and religious minorities have been very thought-provoking. Please do
one on disability as well. People with disabilities have to encounter
multiple hates due to their multiple identities. A disabled person can
be Muslim, scheduled caste and woman and his/her identities make
him/her vulnerable to countless taunts and slurs.

"‘It’s time for compassion’: HT readers respond to Let’s Talk About Hate
"
Read other comments
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/it-s-time-for-compassion-ht-readers-respond-to-let-s-talk-about-hate/story-6uMGXLWcQdpDREnJTbM6TK.html

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Re: [Ai] Hindustan Times hate series: I urged them to carry a report on violence faced by disabled

[r k sarin via Ai]

No culture teaches hate. Even no culture teaches not to touch anybody if he 
is in trouble. We just fail to put ourselves in the same place.
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To: "'Share, empower '" 
Cc: "George Abraham" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Hindustan Times hate series: I urged them to carry a 
report on violence faced by disabled



Not sure if we can call this hate. This could have also happened due to 
cultural reasons. This happened to me at the Colombo airport a few years 
ago. When I landed at Colombo, a lady staff of the airport came to assist 
me. She refused to allow me to hold her elbow. She told me that it was 
culturally not acceptable.


It can also be due to a lack of training or orientation.

-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
vivek doddamani via Ai

Sent: 02 August 2017 15:39
To: Share, empower 
Cc: vivek doddamani
Subject: Re: [Ai] Hindustan Times hate series: I urged them to carry a 
report on violence faced by disabled


good, Disabled are hated ALL OVER IN SOCIETY EXCEPT IN FEW CONDITION,
IN GOVERNMENT OFFICES, PUBLIC TRANSPORT, SHOPPING MOLLS EVEN IN
HOSPITALS ALSO, RECENTLY I heard from one of my friend in Karnataka a
lady in laboratory who had to test the blind person Blood samples did
not hold his hand to take him to chair instead she was telling him to
come forward, turn left, search there is chair sit on that and even
after giving samples she did not lead him to door but left alone to go
out not even guided him the way to go out, I felt very sorry for this
incident, this happened in Shimoga in Karnataka.

On 8/2/17, avinash shahi via Ai  
wrote:

I respond to Hindustan Times hate series stories. I’m a blind research
scholar pursuing PhD at Centre for Law and Governance JNU. Your
reportage on hate crimes faced by Dalits, people from the Northeast
and religious minorities have been very thought-provoking. Please do
one on disability as well. People with disabilities have to encounter
multiple hates due to their multiple identities. A disabled person can
be Muslim, scheduled caste and woman and his/her identities make
him/her vulnerable to countless taunts and slurs.

"‘It’s time for compassion’: HT readers respond to Let’s Talk About Hate 
"

Read other comments
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/it-s-time-for-compassion-ht-readers-respond-to-let-s-talk-about-hate/story-6uMGXLWcQdpDREnJTbM6TK.html

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Re: [Ai] software cracks

[r k sarin via Ai]

n productive activities, crime in
the society would increase. This is an empirical observation, whether one
debates for or against it. One  would justify based on where he / she
stands.

If JAWS crack  was not so common in the visually impaired community,
wouldn't we have been further behind in terms of our our sustenance and
growth? But a person from an impoverished background would give a similar
argument after  committing a crime as well. So  is  that justified?

While moral standpoints have no  single  answer,  its practical 
implications

are definitely obvious,  as  mentioned in the  following mail.

Thanks.
Alok

-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of
Dipendra Manocha via Ai
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 7:33 AM
To: 'Share, empower '
Cc: Dipendra Manocha
Subject: [Ai] software cracks

Dear Chirag
If affordability was a problem, did you try out methods of  accomplishing
this task with free or open source tools available to us in any way?

Even if we do not realise,  we pay a very heavy cost for pirated software.
This is because we  condemn  those developers to starvation who try to
develop software for us. Thus no sensible person would try to  develop
anything for us. For example, did you ever think why Fine Reader doesn't
have any Indian Language in it?

Thanks
Dipendra


-Original Message-
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Chirag Mittal via Ai
Sent: 31 July 2017 22:24
To: Share, empower  <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: Chirag Mittal <chiragmittal...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ai] any tool which can convert pdf to word

Please try fine reder.Its great and can be use ofline also.You can easily
convert pdf to word and vice versa.For cracking it u can contact me 
anytime

on 9729402525

On 7/31/17, r k sarin via Ai <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:

I use to change PDF files into word file through fine reader.
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To: "Share, empower " <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: "Dr. G. Janardhana Naidu" <jnga...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Ai] any tool which can convert pdf to word



Dear Varma Sir, Thanks for the information. But zamzar.com requires
internet. Is there any off line free tool? Does zamzar.com convert
regional language such as telugu pdf files in to word?
Thanks in advance,
Janardhana Naidu.

On 7/30/17, bhawani shankar verma via Ai
<ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:

open book, k1000, fine reader are paid software. there are many
online utilities like zamzar.com you can upload your file and in
result you will get converted word file.


From: samidha dhumatkar via Ai
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 2:36 PM
To: Share, empower 
Cc: samidha dhumatkar
Subject: Re: [Ai] any tool which can convert pdf to word

I you can use openbook


On Jul 30, 2017 2:24 PM, "sazid shaik via Ai"
<ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:

  dear list,
  I am having a pdf document as my nvda is not reading that document. 
I

  want to convert that into word document by which i can read that
  document with nvda.  kindly share that tool and suggest.

  thanks and regards,
  sazid
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Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[r k sarin via Ai]

You are absolutely right, it should not be stretched further.
- Original Message - 
From: "Shireen Irani via Ai" 

To: "Share, empower " 
Cc: "Shireen Irani" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: 
Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman




this debate has gone way passed any disability issue. why it is still
being allowed to continue on this list is a mystery. particularly in
the absence of the exact facts that could have made such a discussion
'on this list', worthwhile.



On 8/1/17, bhawani shankar verma via Ai
 wrote:
marrital rape is just a matter of discussion among so called educated, 
women

activists and highprofile society.


-Original Message-
From: gatak singh via Ai
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 11:51 AM
To: Share, empower 
Cc: gatak singh
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

has there been any cases where a married women has filed a rape case
against her own husband in the past?
I have never read such cases. just wanted to know.


On 8/1/17, Kanchan Pamnani via Ai 
wrote:

Just by marrying someone does it mitigate rape? You have  mentioned this
twice in your email.
I think we should get into a proper discussion on some of the concepts
discussed in this article and by many of you. It will help broaden
thinking.
K

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Of

gatak singh via Ai
Sent: 01 August 2017 11:11
To: Share, empower 
Cc: gatak singh; jnuvision
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

sorry for discussing again but I couldn't stop commenting on this 
matter.

I know few examples where the girl has not accepted the proposal of the
boy,
but when the boy got a government job, she threatened to marry her
otherwise
she would go to the court aledging that he promised to marry but did not
keep up his promise. so boy had to marry her due to fear of loosing his
government job.
in this matter, boy had promised that he would marry that girl. what I
understand is that girl may have agreed for sex based on this promise.
but in any case, boy should have married her. but he did not marry, 
that's

his mistake. but this should be called cheating rather than rape.
someone said that women feel shy or disgusted to go to courts saying 
that

she was raped. but I dont agree to this. that women should have
immidiately
gone to the court when she was raped for the first time.
from my understanding, women dont go to courts because if this comes in
the
media and if everybody comes to know about that, nobody would marry her.
but
in this case, she was already married once, and there wasn't any matter 
to

fear.
this is nothing but hipocracy at its peak. if he had married her, she
would
have never complained. here, he did not marry, hence it automatically
turned
into rape case. rape is rape. women can change the situation however 
they
want. it was not rape before 2 years, then how can it be called rape 
now?

I am not in anyway supporting the rapists. but just speaking about this
case.
I wonder what was the proof for the marriage promise that he had made.
was there any recording or document? or judge just believed her oral
words?
I can understand the psychology of the female members on this list.
they can't speak against that aledged female victim, because females
should
support the females. but the fact is that men are often exploited 
legally

due to the biased laws.
someone said that father raping his own daughter, brother raping his own
sister comes to light after so many years. this happens because the girl
will be minor in that situation. in this case, girl was not minor. she 
had


8
year old child, which means she was matured enough.
so, as mahajan sir said, both of them are equally culprits in this case.
the best way to escape from the discussion is to just say, 'how can we
talk
when we are not in that situation'.
anyway, I feel that boy should had kept up to his promise, then it would
have been never called rape. but this punishment is very harsh on him, 
who

was not 100% culprit.

On 7/26/17, avinash shahi via Ai 
wrote:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/gurgaon/gurgaon-blind-banker-gets-10-yea
r-jail-for-raping-blind-woman/story-xQAJGpWmso2ioCesDHV2UM.html

A Gurgaon district court on Monday awarded 10 years rigorous
imprisonment to a blind man, a trainee probationary officer at a
public sector bank, who was found guilty of raping a 33-year-old blind
widow repeatedly on the pretext of marriage.

The court also imposed a penalty on convict Saurabh 

Re: [Ai] Synthia Anand reports: Aranging 1000 scribes for the Blind: A blessing to visually impaired students

[r k sarin via Ai]

This cannot be solved in a day. It is a long process. We have to make use of 
the computer compulsory and give training of this effect. With full 
assurance, I can say that even if you ask these students to write their 
exams in Braille, they will not agree.
- Original Message - 
From: "gatak singh via Ai" 

To: "Share, empower " 
Cc: "gatak singh" ; "jnuvision" 


Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Synthia Anand reports: Aranging 1000 scribes for the 
Blind: A blessing to visually impaired students




I stay in bangalore and many people like pallavi are doing great job.
if I would talk about writing exams independently, I also support this
view but most of them will not agree to this. we all agree because we
are using emails, computers. but most of them does not even know to
use email service. that's the problem.

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wrote:

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/a-blessing-to-visually-impaired-students/article19392711.ece

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Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[r k sarin via Ai]

Unfortunate development.
- Original Message - 
From: "Sandeep Singh via Ai" 

To: "Share, empower " 
Cc: "Sandeep Singh" 
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: 
Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman




Bhawani ji, laws are not biased, they give an equal opportunity to
both parties. For example, supreme court yesterday ruled that the
husband or his family members cannot be imprisoned on a dowry
complaint until a committee finds substance in the complaint.
Similarly, Madras high court has ruled that a husband  is not
necessarily obligated to pay compensation to his wife in case of
separation or divorce; everything will depend on the facts of the
case.
Best regards

On 7/28/17, akshun mahajan via Ai  
wrote:

I think instead of showing sympathy here Delhi based organizations and
activists must come forward and help this lady.

On 7/28/17, Preeti Monga  wrote:

Who are we to sit around and pass judgement on what a lady is going
through?
None of us were in her bedroom or inside her! I think before we go 
around
clogging inboxes with this most atrocious discussion,  we need to see 
what

we are doing and thinking most of the time?
I think we all want to just blame the lady for nothing, without knowing
anything, and it is none of our  business to just go on discussing about
some one  on such a subject! Please discuss something valuable instead!
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-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf 
Of

akshun mahajan via Ai
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 20:49
To: Share, empower 
Cc: akshun mahajan
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

Hi all,
Well I spoke to some of very close friends to know the truth of this
story and I have found both male and female are equally responsible.
Things were fine until boy did not get job.
This is also true that he told female that he will get her job and get
married with her but after getting job boy started avoiding she as a
result of this lady went to court.
One thing is very sure that she was not raped. They were doing with
consent when this lady find that after getting job he is avoiding her
and she got frusted and starting threatening this boy, boy took also
lightly as a result of this he was awarded punishment.


On 7/27/17, P. Subramani via Ai 
wrote:
in the end, it seems all laws are gender-biased towards women 
including

section498A, a sighted person wouldn't have received this quantum of
punishment, obviously women are taking undue advantage of such laws,
many
courts have made observations about gender-biased laws,  this lower
court's
judgement should be challenged in the higher courts where obviously
judges
are much more learned, in most instances,  decisions are reversed in 
the
higher courts, media always reports such wrong things perpetrated by 
the

disabled persons, they neverever report brighter achievements of  our
community
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- Original Message -
From: "vivek doddamani via Ai" 
To: "Share, empower " 
Cc: "vivek doddamani" 
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman


anything it may be my suggestion is the convict should go to high 
court


On 7/27/17, Mahendra Galani via Ai 


wrote:

Vivek, it is very easy to say then to do.
we men may never understand the Shame felt by women.
it takes enough currege to do it, specially for the disabled women,
and dont forget, court found argument good enough to handover this
punishment.
we may talk about number of years given,however
to comment more based on this artical, is for me dificult.






At 03:28 PM 7/27/2017 +0530, you wrote:

I agree this person had taken her to guest house
to meet an advocate and then he raped her after
coming out she could have immediately complained
to the guest house staff or to police, if the
sex was not occurred without her consent then
why she did not screem or shout for help,, here
notice that the man was also blind & 

Re: [Ai] Synthia Anand reports: Aranging 1000 scribes for the Blind: A blessing to visually impaired students

[r k sarin via Ai]

I personally endorse your view with but--a big but i.e., an opposition from 
the blind persons themselves due to the reasons, in majority of the cases, 
best known to all of us. The voluntary sector has to take a strict sttep 
without caring what others feel because ultimately we are bound to see a 
better society of the well-trained and self-sufficient and self-dependent 
visually impaired persons.
- Original Message - 
From: "Kanchan Pamnani via Ai" 

To: "'Share, empower '" 
Cc: "Kanchan Pamnani" 
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Synthia Anand reports: Aranging 1000 scribes for the 
Blind: A blessing to visually impaired students



The writer guidelines are under review and we will have to take a quick 
and

proper stand on this matter soon.
The dilution is going to be inevitable. We must look at independence  from
scribe fetters. Its time big/national  NGOS make a mindset change.
Individuals will have to be trained for computer based exams. Scribes 
should

be the exception and not the rule.
Unfortunately the misuse of scribe is taught by a lot of people and
organisations to their young aspirants.  Most of us know this.
The really deserving Disabled suffer because their own brethren do not
want to play fair.
Computers soon will get hacked but in the interim this is the solution for
many but not all.
Kanchan
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From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of
avinash shahi via Ai
Sent: 31 July 2017 11:07
To: Share, empower 
Cc: avinash shahi
Subject: Re: [Ai] Synthia Anand reports: Aranging 1000 scribes for the
Blind: A blessing to visually impaired students

Certainly, technology is the way forward. writing competitions should be
organized ona regular interrvals in schools to attract more blind people 
to

write on their own.

On 7/31/17, George Abraham via Ai 
wrote:

Just a thought! While it sounds wonderful that someone is arranging
scribes for the blind students and has crossed the 1000 mark, but
doesn't this continued reliance on scribes promote dependency? I do
however realise that a sudden shift from scribe to technology might
not be possible, but the endeavour should be on personal independence.
This will definitely add to the employability skill of the blind 
students.

Think about this.


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Sent: 31 July 2017 10:26
To: ai; jnuvision
Cc: avinash shahi
Subject: [Ai] Synthia Anand reports: Aranging 1000 scribes for the
Blind: A blessing to visually impaired students

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/a-blessing-to-visually-i
mpair
ed-students/article19392711.ece

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Re: [Ai] any tool which can convert pdf to word

[r k sarin via Ai]

I use to change PDF files into word file through fine reader.
- Original Message - 
From: "Dr. G. Janardhana Naidu via Ai" 

To: "Share, empower " 
Cc: "Dr. G. Janardhana Naidu" 
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Ai] any tool which can convert pdf to word



Dear Varma Sir, Thanks for the information. But zamzar.com requires
internet. Is there any off line free tool? Does zamzar.com convert
regional language such as telugu pdf files in to word?
Thanks in advance,
Janardhana Naidu.

On 7/30/17, bhawani shankar verma via Ai
 wrote:

open book, k1000, fine reader are paid software. there are many online
utilities like zamzar.com you can upload your file and in result you will
get converted word file.


From: samidha dhumatkar via Ai
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 2:36 PM
To: Share, empower 
Cc: samidha dhumatkar
Subject: Re: [Ai] any tool which can convert pdf to word

I you can use openbook


On Jul 30, 2017 2:24 PM, "sazid shaik via Ai"
 wrote:

  dear list,
  I am having a pdf document as my nvda is not reading that document.  I
  want to convert that into word document by which i can read that
  document with nvda.  kindly share that tool and suggest.

  thanks and regards,
  sazid
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Re: [Ai] Emily Rapp Black writes in the New York Times: "Why Is Our Existence as Humans Still Being Denied?"

[r k sarin via Ai]

Good posting but ... where is the issue of accessibility of the persons with 
blindness that is why the NFB of USA keeps on showing its resentment to 
these steps as it fails to address the isses of the accessibility of the 
visually challenged persons.
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Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 12:46 PM
Subject: [Ai] Emily Rapp Black writes in the New York Times: "Why Is Our 
Existence as Humans Still Being Denied?"




https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/opinion/why-is-our-existence-as-humans-still-being-denied.html
Credit Dadu Shin

In Denver in 1978, just after the July 4 holiday, 19 men and women
with disabilities positioned themselves in front of public buses at
the busy intersection of Colfax Avenue and Broadway. They chanted “We
will ride!” until city transportation officials were willing to hear
their complaints: Namely, that lack of access to public transportation
led to disenfranchisement and discrimination, which led to
joblessness, homelessness, despair and misery.

These pioneers, known now as the “Gang of 19,” were not simply
irritating commuters by blocking the intersection all day and into the
night — they were demanding to be heard, and, perhaps most important,
to be seen. They are praised now as important activists, although news
coverage at the time was far from celebratory. The protest was an
early sign of progress to come, including the passage of the Americans
With Disabilities Act in 1990, which established the fundamental
rights of access and equal opportunity that had so long been denied
this marginalized group of human beings.

Yet in late June, nearly 40 years after the Gang of 19 protests, I
experienced a troubling moment of déjà vu as I watched disability
rights activists being hauled out of their wheelchairs outside the
Denver offices of Senator Cory Gardner. The sit-in was a protest
against the Republican Party’s proposed drastic cuts in Medicaid, cuts
that would certainly push millions of people with disabilities out of
sight and into the neglect and despair of institutions, home
confinement, joblessness and poverty. I was saddened, bewildered and
angered that a movement that gave so many so much more life could have
come so far, only to be forced to protest the same issues all over
again — basically, our right, as people with nonnormative bodies, to
basic access, to our very existence.

In 1978 my parents watched live footage of the Gang of 19 protests on
their television (my father remembers getting up to turn up the sound)
in the weeks before my amputation, the first of six operations I would
have in the next five years, from ages 4 to 9. I was born with a
congenital birth defect that required amputation so that I might be
fitted with a prosthetic limb; this was considered, in my case, the
best shot I had at a “normal” life — which my parents viewed as an
ability to work, make an impact, have mobility, be considered equal to
others, even if my body was built differently. They desperately wanted
this for me, and were willing to change jobs and move across the
country to make it happen. It was a propitious move, as I would later
become an early student in the adaptive ski program in the Rocky
Mountains, an experience that, more than any other in my childhood,
changed my life.

My parents had moved us close to Denver to be near Children’s
Hospital, and their widely respected orthopedic surgeons on staff —
one in particular, who performed every one of my many surgeries,
including two of the “do-overs” when the operation didn’t yield the
desired results. We were not rich by any standards — a
lower-middle-class family with good health insurance — which, even so,
never covered all of my operations or devices or in full. Both my
parents worked two jobs on and off throughout my childhood to close
the gap. My father even drove a school bus, a fact I vividly remember
made me feel ashamed.

My parents must have sensed what a person — in this case, their
daughter — would face, given her nonnormative body. It must have been
a mix of hope and fear, of anger and elation.

Now, as a parent myself, I can imagine the mixed emotions my parents,
decades younger then than I am now, must have felt watching the
standoff between the wheelchair users asserting their rights and
demanding respect and dignity, and the official forces brought in that
showed how thoroughly that respect was, in fact, denied.

I’ve always known that discrimination against those with nonnormative
bodies runs deep. My great-aunt once announced that I was “made wrong”
to a room full of people when I was in my late 30s. On another
occasion, while I was talking about what the A.D.A., passed just that
year, meant to me, a relative said, “When we knew people who couldn’t
walk, they just stayed home.” My 

Re: [Ai] Punjab: Disabled teachers’ transfers contrary to Central Act

[r k sarin via Ai]

Suchh discriminatory order should be fought legally as well as through 
pressurre tactics because the decisions taken in the court may be having 
legal binding but that fails to socialise the issue.
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Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 12:49 PM
Subject: [Ai] Punjab: Disabled teachers’ transfers contrary to Central Act



Amaninder Pal

Tribune News Service

Chandigarh, July 16
Even as the Centre replaced the Persons with Disability Act, 1995,
with a new one and defined the rights of the disabled, the state
Education Department has framed a  divergent policy.
The department ordered that only those having a disability above 70
per cent could be categorised as handicapped and posted on a priority
basis.
However, the affected persons claimed that it is in violation of
Persons with Disabilities Act, 1995, and its amended version - Rights
of Persons with Disabled Act, 2016, whereby those having a disability
from 40 to 100 per cent should be treated equally.
The order harms the interests of those with a disability between 40 to
70 per cent. They will not be considered on priority  in routine
transfers which the department will  effect soon.
Harcharan Singh Brar, president of the Angheen Mulazam Union (Disabled
Employees Union), said: “Hundreds of handicapped teachers fall in this
category and they have been denied of their right by the department. A
ruling by the Supreme Court states that a person with this disability
should be treated as equally handicapped as the one having 100 per
cent disability. However, the department decided to keep the lower
limit at 70 per cent.”
Rajeev Makkar, union member, “We urge the government to mitigate the
hardship of handicapped teachers. They need sympathetic treatment for
their social and occupational empowerment. The state should roll back
this biased policy.”
Director Public Instruction (Secondary) Paramjit Singh said, “This is
a policy decision. State rules may differ from t
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Re: [Ai] mahila cricket world cup final

[r k sarin via Ai]

Yes, on FM and some other channels.
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  Subject: [Ai] mahila cricket world cup final


  regards to friends . 
  is it live comentary available anywhere ?
  gajendra vyas 
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Re: [Ai] Times of India

[r k sarin via Ai]

true.
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  From: Kanchan Pamnani via Ai 
  To: Share, empower  
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  Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 4:28 PM
  Subject: [Ai] Times of India


  Berth too high, platform too far: It’s time to refashion Indian Railways into 
a disabled friendly network
  July 11, 2017, 2:00 AM IST Sarabjit Arjan Singh in TOI Edit Page | Edit Page, 
India | TOI
  Life for persons with disabilities is not easy in any case. It becomes even 
more difficult when the environment is unsympathetic to their needs. Recent 
cases of wheelchair-bound para-athlete Suvarna Raj and 100% blind Vaibhav 
Shukla bring this out very vividly.

  If Indian Railways (IR) had made a sincere effort to provide equal access to 
persons with disability as they are required to do by the 22-year-old 
Disabilities Act then Suvarna would not have had to sleep on the floor of the 
compartment and Vaibhav would not have missed his entrance examination at Delhi 
University.

  IR could not provide Suvarna with a lower berth leaving her with no option 
but to sleep on the floor of the compartment and Vaibhav had to miss his train 
because no one would open the door of the compartment reserved for persons with 
disabilities.

  Union railway minister Suresh Prabhu has made the customary refrain of 
ordering an enquiry into the occurrence. But the way IR functions it will in 
all likelihood limit the enquiry to the sequence of events that led to the 
incident, leaving the organisational factors and systemic failures that created 
the incident unrecognised and thus unaddressed.

  On the 3rd of December 2015, Prime Minister Narendra Modi launched the 
Accessible India Campaign (Sugamya Bharat Abhiyan.) This campaign begins with 
the statement that for persons with disabilities universal accessibility is 
critical to gain equal opportunity and live independently and participate fully 
in all aspects of life in an inclusive society.

  Targets were set for each sector. But even though the Disabilities Act 1995 
and the recently enacted legislation which replaces it mandate that IR should 
make passenger compartments and stations disabled friendly, the IR targets only 
focus on railway station accessibility. The key issue of accessibility of 
passenger coaches on an equal basis, in particular for wheelchair users, was 
ignored.

  With such an attitude it is unlikely anyone will see a disabled friendly, 
barrier free IR in the foreseeable future unless the railway minister takes it 
upon himself to bring about a change in the thinking, culture and the manner of 
everyday decision-making so it keeps the need of persons with disability in 
view.

  Even though IR appears a monolithic organisation, in practice decision-making 
is spread over numerous departments so the responsibility for building various 
links of the disability chain is also distributed, which makes creating a 
barrier free environment the responsibility of everyone and no one in 
particular.

  Further, most of the railway stations and other infrastructure were built in 
the 19th or early 20th centuries, which makes it difficult to render them 
disabled friendly without substantial rebuilding, at great cost. To emphasise, 
moving from one platform to the other is also an issue as is accessibility to 
the compartments.

  These are not problems peculiar to IR. European railways have addressed them 
by training handlers, constructing ramps to the extent possible and using 
mechanical devices to lift the wheelchair user into the compartment. Wheelchair 
users are asked if they would need any assistance when booking a ticket, which 
is provided by the railway as necessary.

  IR also has to find the solutions. I would like to propose a doable solution 
based on my knowledge of IR as an ex-railwayman and as someone who is also a 
wheelchair user who travelled extensively by train for performing his duties. 
The proposed solution has three components. The first component is availability 
of assistance at embarking and destination stations very similar to what 
airlines provide.

  The second component is that those assigned to assist including the coach 
attendants are adequately trained in handling wheelchairs and transferring a 
person with disability into an aisle chair, without injury. They also have to 
be capable of lifting the person into the compartment and settling him or her 
into the allotted chair or berth.

  The last component is the ability of persons with disability to indicate 
their needs for assistance at the time of booking and an institutional 
mechanism that ensures that the asked-for assistance is provided when the 
passenger reports to the assistance desk.

  Once this is put in place it has to be built upon by providing ramps and 
lifts that will enable persons with disabilities get to other platforms with 
ease. There is also a need for compartments with wider doors and accessible 
toilets and chairlifts for getting into compartments. 

Re: [Ai] Manash Pratim Gohain reports in the TOI today: Train door shut, disabled misses MPhil test at DU

[r k sarin via Ai]

Of course unfortunate but there are lot of issues with such special coaches 
but we do not show our concern until and unless we suffer badly because of 
it.
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Cc: "avinash shahi" 
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 11:30 AM
Subject: [Ai] Manash Pratim Gohain reports in the TOI today: Train door 
shut, disabled misses MPhil test at DU




Train door shut, disabled misses MPhil test at DU
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Train-door-shut-disabled-misses-MPhil-test-at-DU/articleshow/59480898.cms?from=mdr
NEW DELHI: Perhaps it was the cussedness of the passengers on the
train
he was to have travelled on or of the officials at Delhi University, but
Vaibhav Shukla
has been left without hope of enrolling himself for the MPhil course
this year. The visually impaired Shukla could not sit for the entrance
exam on Wednesday
after he missed his train at Unnao when the people in the coach
reserved for people with disabilities did not open the door for him.
Then, having missed
the exam,
DU
officials told him there was nothing they could do to help him..
Recommended By Colombia.Sharing his experience on Thursday after
finally reaching the capital, Shukla told TOI that he had opted to
travel by the
Gorakhdham Express
and had accordingly reached Unnao station around 2.15am on Wednesday.
The 100% visually impaired youth said, "When the train arrived, we
went to the coach
reserved for the disabled. It was the one next to the engine. We found
the doors locked. My brother and the driver tried to open it."..The
trio even asked
the people inside the compartment to open the door. "They looked out
from the windows, but no one came forward to help us and the door
remained closed,"
said the disappointed youth. "It was raining and the stoppage was only
for two minutes. We could not make it to the second coach for the
disabled at the
other end of the train.".
.Shukla realised he could not just climb in since the other coaches
were very crowded and he could not have managed his way past them. The
train left him
on the platform, despairing about how he could get to Delhi in time
for the entrance test...Once in Delhi, Shukla told the Delhi
University authorities
about his plight. "But the DU officials said that they could not do
anything now." A depressed Shukla questioned the logic of placing the
two coaches for
the disabled at the extreme ends of the train. And ruing his missed
opportunity, the aspirant said, "There should have been a guard to
open the compartment
doors at stations."..


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Re: [Ai] Eco times

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Is it not the contravention of the RPD Act of 2016?
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  Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:31 PM
  Subject: [Ai] Eco times


  NEW DELHI: The government has clarified its decision to levy 5% goods and 
services tax on assistive devices for the physically challenged, rejecting 
Congress vice-president Rahul Gandhi’s allegation that the government has been 
“insensitive” to the disabled. 

  “Tax incidence is not going up but going down,” revenue secretary Hasmukh 
Adhia said, even as he offered two reasons why these devices have not been 
exempted from GST. 

  Under GST, Braille writers and Braille paper to .. 


  Read more at:
  
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/59448445.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest_medium=text_campaign=cppst


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Re: [Ai] Interview

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Don't take easy please, we have also have a lot of alternative and the then 
government was interested to give the leaders one or the other job so that 
the movement becomes unsuccessful. Had I did it, I would have served as a 
lecturer for 36 years which I never preferred and so did many of us.
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From: "avinash shahi via Ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>

To: "Share, empower " <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: "avinash shahi" <shahi88avin...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Interview



That's why I wrote in my earlier mail: that fire and perseverance is
lacking today. Perhaps in the last 30 years, the cost of sustaining
protest/demonstration has become expensive and today's warriers have
many alternatives than their predecessors.

On 6/28/17, r k sarin via Ai <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:
I do not agree with you Avinash, one of our blind friend spoiled 2 jobs 
for
his personal interest. I know those days when no rotest was allowed in 
Delhi
due to akali movement and we continued the movement under the banner of 
the
Progressive Society for the Sightless Persons and that continued almost 
for
158 days. Our movement has got different implications and different 
impacts.

The issue how to use this situation.
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From: "avinash shahi via Ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
To: "Share, empower " <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: "avinash shahi" <shahi88avin...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Interview



At JNU, the mighty government's crackdown on all types of
protests/demonstration has broke the backbone of the activists. And we
don't have a single blind teacher on the university role. Students are
very concerned about their future in general and blind students are
more worried due to seat/cuts and other challenges they're to face as
blind candidates in the employment market.


On 6/28/17, r k sarin via Ai <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:

Can you tell me even a single academician of JNU who resisted against
that
appointment? I learnt a lot from Karl Marx who, during his writing of 
Das

Capital, came out of his library and joined various struggles. A real
activist can do it easily. Unfortunately, majority of the disabled
scholars
come from the middle class group and do not wish to declass them for
whatsoever reason they know better, that is why they choose easy way 
and
short cuts. We are afraid of developing new leadership and that is why 
we

have to depend upon old leaders.
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From: "avinash shahi via Ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
To: "Share, empower " <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: "avinash shahi" <shahi88avin...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Interview



You're right to some extent sir.
I think blind intelligentia in India is a very miniscule community
which consists of different shades of scholars. Many among them lack
elan and perseverance to carry on the battle against the
administration. In India, among blind people Very few are able to
complete Phds and take disability studies and advocacy as their
professional entreprise. We're still at a nascent stage and can hope
that things would become better in the times to come. If we are to
make any impact on the government's approach towards blind people, We
need to have synergy between the NGO sector and the academia. In the
west, disabled academics influence the policies and are taken very
seriously. We should advocate for more disabilities studies programmes
in Indian universities.
On 6/28/17, r k sarin via Ai <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> 
wrote:
Whether we like it or not, I feel that the intelligentsia is 
reluctant

in
joining hands to be the part of pressure tactics to force the
government
to
implement the employment policy for the persons with disability. I 
have

my
red hand experience an wish to share it without caring how all you 
will

feel. Without naming anybody or year, I wish to reveal my interaction
with
the JNU  intellectuals with disabilities. When I asked them why do we
not
aunch a movement against jjnu administration which is not giving the
job
to
the disabled persons, I was told by that group that they were busy in
their
studies and were getting ample fellowship, how could  they launch any
struggle. Similar thing has happened very recently when a post 
reserved

for
the VH was filled by OH, no step whatsoever has been taken. I 
strongly

feel
that, in the name of unity, we are afraid of exposing administration
for
this gross misuse. Be sure, contradictions are always there in any
society
and if we are scared, I am afraid that we may reach anywhere.
Somewhere,
we
have to introspect. Youngsters strugg

Re: [Ai] Interview

[r k sarin via Ai]

I do not agree with you Avinash, one of our blind friend spoiled 2 jobs for 
his personal interest. I know those days when no rotest was allowed in Delhi 
due to akali movement and we continued the movement under the banner of the 
Progressive Society for the Sightless Persons and that continued almost for 
158 days. Our movement has got different implications and different impacts. 
The issue how to use this situation.
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From: "avinash shahi via Ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>

To: "Share, empower " <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: "avinash shahi" <shahi88avin...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Interview



At JNU, the mighty government's crackdown on all types of
protests/demonstration has broke the backbone of the activists. And we
don't have a single blind teacher on the university role. Students are
very concerned about their future in general and blind students are
more worried due to seat/cuts and other challenges they're to face as
blind candidates in the employment market.


On 6/28/17, r k sarin via Ai <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:
Can you tell me even a single academician of JNU who resisted against 
that

appointment? I learnt a lot from Karl Marx who, during his writing of Das
Capital, came out of his library and joined various struggles. A real
activist can do it easily. Unfortunately, majority of the disabled 
scholars

come from the middle class group and do not wish to declass them for
whatsoever reason they know better, that is why they choose easy way and
short cuts. We are afraid of developing new leadership and that is why we
have to depend upon old leaders.
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From: "avinash shahi via Ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
To: "Share, empower " <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: "avinash shahi" <shahi88avin...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Interview



You're right to some extent sir.
I think blind intelligentia in India is a very miniscule community
which consists of different shades of scholars. Many among them lack
elan and perseverance to carry on the battle against the
administration. In India, among blind people Very few are able to
complete Phds and take disability studies and advocacy as their
professional entreprise. We're still at a nascent stage and can hope
that things would become better in the times to come. If we are to
make any impact on the government's approach towards blind people, We
need to have synergy between the NGO sector and the academia. In the
west, disabled academics influence the policies and are taken very
seriously. We should advocate for more disabilities studies programmes
in Indian universities.
On 6/28/17, r k sarin via Ai <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:
Whether we like it or not, I feel that the intelligentsia is reluctant 
in
joining hands to be the part of pressure tactics to force the 
government

to
implement the employment policy for the persons with disability. I have
my
red hand experience an wish to share it without caring how all you will
feel. Without naming anybody or year, I wish to reveal my interaction
with
the JNU  intellectuals with disabilities. When I asked them why do we 
not
aunch a movement against jjnu administration which is not giving the 
job

to
the disabled persons, I was told by that group that they were busy in
their
studies and were getting ample fellowship, how could  they launch any
struggle. Similar thing has happened very recently when a post reserved
for
the VH was filled by OH, no step whatsoever has been taken. I strongly
feel
that, in the name of unity, we are afraid of exposing administration 
for

this gross misuse. Be sure, contradictions are always there in any
society
and if we are scared, I am afraid that we may reach anywhere. 
Somewhere,

we
have to introspect. Youngsters struggling during seventies and eighties
of
the last century were not stupid, they sacrifised their future for the
present. But pragmatism and easy going is the key to the present day
disability activists and students engaged in the disability studdy. 
Even

the
harsh reaction from any of you is highly appreciable--it will give me
strength.
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From: "avinash shahi via Ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
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Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Interview



It was a good read. Thanks for sharing. I liked Your views on
academia. I wonder how Mr SK Rungta thought that academia offers the
comfort zone for blind people. I respect his view but pity his
observations also. Being in the academia and in the last phase of my
PhD, I can put it plainly that the li

Re: [Ai] Interview

[r k sarin via Ai]

Whether we like it or not, I feel that the intelligentsia is reluctant in 
joining hands to be the part of pressure tactics to force the government to 
implement the employment policy for the persons with disability. I have my 
red hand experience an wish to share it without caring how all you will 
feel. Without naming anybody or year, I wish to reveal my interaction with 
the JNU  intellectuals with disabilities. When I asked them why do we not 
aunch a movement against jjnu administration which is not giving the job to 
the disabled persons, I was told by that group that they were busy in their 
studies and were getting ample fellowship, how could  they launch any 
struggle. Similar thing has happened very recently when a post reserved for 
the VH was filled by OH, no step whatsoever has been taken. I strongly feel 
that, in the name of unity, we are afraid of exposing administration for 
this gross misuse. Be sure, contradictions are always there in any society 
and if we are scared, I am afraid that we may reach anywhere. Somewhere, we 
have to introspect. Youngsters struggling during seventies and eighties of 
the last century were not stupid, they sacrifised their future for the 
present. But pragmatism and easy going is the key to the present day 
disability activists and students engaged in the disability studdy. Even the 
harsh reaction from any of you is highly appreciable--it will give me 
strength.
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Cc: "avinash shahi" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Interview



It was a good read. Thanks for sharing. I liked Your views on
academia. I wonder how Mr SK Rungta thought that academia offers the
comfort zone for blind people. I respect his view but pity his
observations also. Being in the academia and in the last phase of my
PhD, I can put it plainly that the life is very cruel in academia. Be
it publishing, conducting surveys, taking projects and finding
employment people like me are struggling from pillar to post. Apart
from Delhi University, none other UGC-funded universities/colleges are
willing to provide employment to blind academics. The scenario is more
bleak in the private universities. I often worry that probablly I
might end up working in other sectors cause finding job is very
difficult in Indian universities. Afterall, one has to start earning
for his/her survival!


On 6/27/17, Asudani, Rajesh via Ai  
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Re: [Ai] Nipun Malhotra writes in the HT today: GST on wheelchairs, Braille paper is equivalent to a tax on walking or seeing

[r k sarin via Ai]

Thanks for the post. By writing this, Dr. Vippin Malhotra has not only 
highlighted the impact of GST on persons with disabilities but also 
expressed the need of realisation of our role in national-building for which 
such support base like relaxation is needed. I strongly feel that we should 
use our resources to convince the government to make suitable changes in 
their policy in favour of the persons with disability.
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From: "avinash shahi via Ai" 
To: "ai" ; "jnuvision" 


Cc: "avinash shahi" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:26 AM
Subject: [Ai] Nipun Malhotra writes in the HT today: GST on wheelchairs, 
Braille paper is equivalent to a tax on walking or seeing




On September 8, 2016, President Pranab Mukherjee gave his assent to
the landmark Goods and Services Tax bill, a major step towards rolling
out the new indirect tax regime. The GST will come into effect from
July 1. Just like everyone else, I was excited at the prospect of one
indirect tax for the whole nation. But all my hopes were dashed to the
ground, when the GST rates on categories of goods were released on May
18. Here’s why: The GST on Braille typewriters and papers, carriages
for the disabled and wheelchairs and other assistive devices have been
fixed at rates varying between 5 to 18%.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/opinion/gst-on-wheelchairs-braille-paper-is-equivalent-to-a-tax-on-walking-or-seeing/story-i6UcwihPfMlv3ZcszujrNN.html
I was saddened to see the government charge GST on these necessary
mobility devices because these were originally exempt from customs and
other supporting duties. By doing so, India missed an opportunity to
replicate Australia and Canada, which exempted health care and
mobility aids while introducing GST. Incidentally, in the 2016 budget
finance minister Arun Jaitley had exempted imported Braille paper from
any kind of taxation.

The latest government decision shows insensitivity, ignorance and a
lack of understanding of the needs of Persons with Disabilities (PWD).
This should not have been the case because today the disability
movement worldwide is starting to look at disability as a social
problem rather than as a medical problem.

In other words, disability is not impairment. It is caused by barriers
that exist in society preventing the PWD to enjoy their rights.

The government has taken several initiatives for PWD: Ten years after
India signed the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons
with Disabilities, India today has a new disability law. It has also
launched the Accessible India Campaign that focuses on accessibility.
Recently we saw the launch of the Inclusive India campaign for those
with intellectual disabilities that stresses on inclusive education,
employment and community life.

But this new tax on a wheelchair or on Braille typewriters and papers,
which is equivalent to a tax on walking or seeing, is a huge setback
for us.
According to the 2011 census, 2.21% of India’s population is disabled.
But other estimates hint at the disabled population being somewhere
between 10 and 15%. It is time India starts looking at the disabled as
a resource. Let’s not drain this resource by making the mobility aids
unaffordable. Instead, let’s nurture this resource by giving PwDs
opportunities to avail the best education and health care and provide
them jobs. An income-tax paying disabled person could add
substantially to India’s GDP. Only by ensuring this, can Prime
Minister Narendra Modi fulfil his ‘Sabka Saath Sabka Vikas’ dream.

Nipun Malhotra is CEO, Nipman Foundation, and Founder, Wheels For Life.


--
Avinash Shahi
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Re: [Ai] Can we discuss hard truth: why blind and the deaf people are less represented in the government/private sectors in India? what can we do about it?

[r k sarin via Ai]

Thanks Avinash.
- Original Message - 
From: "avinash shahi via Ai" 

To: "Share, empower " 
Cc: "avinash shahi" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Can we discuss hard truth: why blind and the deaf people 
are less represented in the government/private sectors in India? what can we 
do about it?




Dr Rajesh, Very apt and thought-provoking observations.

Other than accessibility sphere, it seems next to none for a blind IT
professional to make headway in the sector. The idea of IT
entrepreneurship is simply superb. The National Association for the
Blind which has done some groundbreaking work in the ICT arena, should
promote such ventures. Start-ups should approach the government to
seek funds as its their pet ambition.

Moreover, I was looking for the data of disabled people in the
government sector and found "As per information received from 71
Ministries/Departments, there were 16,304 persons with disabilities in
the Central Government
Ministries/Departments as on 01.01.2014 and 20,570 persons with
disabilities as on 01.01.2015 as per information received from 59
Ministries/Departments". (Published in the Business Standard on 23
November 2016). The disability-wise data is not yet available, one
must file an RTI to know the status. The job profiling of different
disabilities in the states and the union territories is also not
known. If we really wish to make impact we should take data very
seriously. Research is something NGOs working for the blind/deaf
people should look to commission.

On 6/27/17, Reach Now via Ai  wrote:


The recruitment of visually impaired individuals in the I T sector in 
India

is a big eye wash.

With very few exceptions, most visually impaired individuals are employed
either at entry level or a notch above entry level and that too in either
accessibility or accessibility testing. That said, these companies employ
the visually impaired only because they don't have an option. When was 
the

last time you met a sighted individual totally proficient in the latest
version of JAWS with capabilities exceeding those of us?

All you need to do is to look around and you will notice that the top
profiles from our visually impaired community, even at the international
level, mostly belong to the accessibility sub-segment. They have 
gravitated
toward accessibility simply because the possibility of their being hired 
for
anything else other than accessibility by the so called forward looking I 
T

enterprises is one in a million. It has nothing to do with their
capabilities.

I don't expect the I T corporates to end their proverbial lip service any
time soon owing to their self-centered agendas.

Instead of wasting their time and pleading to I T employers for jobs, the
young and smart minds from our community should consider exploring the
startup eco system and gradually step into tech entrepreneurship. It goes
without saying that such an exploration requires a phenomenal amount of
guidance, commitment, patience and discipline.

I wish there was an NGO in India that would help visually impaired
millennials with tech entrepreneurship. If you know of one, please share 
the

information with all of us.

Dr. Rajesh
Noida


- Original Message -
From: "madhusinghal via Ai" 
To: "'Share, empower '" 
Cc: "madhusinghal" 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Can we discuss hard truth: why blind and the deaf 
people
are less represented in the government/private sectors in India? what can 
we

do about it?


Another reason less communication by the needy.

-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of
George Abraham via Ai
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 12:41 PM
To: 'Share, empower '; 'jnuvision'; 'sayeverything'
Cc: George Abraham
Subject: Re: [Ai] Can we discuss hard truth: why blind and the deaf 
people
are less represented in the government/private sectors in India? what can 
we

do about it?

Of the top of my head, I would offer two critical reasons why blind and 
deaf
people are being left behind when it comes to employment in the IT 
sector.


1.  Poor quality of education. No access to quality.
2. Wide spread ignorance and not so favourable perceptions.

Other ideas can pour in.

Regards,,
George


-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of
avinash shahi via Ai
Sent: 26 June 2017 11:24
To: ai; jnuvision; sayeverything
Cc: avinash shahi
Subject: [Ai] Can we discuss hard truth: why blind and the deaf people 
are
less represented in the government/private sectors in India? what can we 
do

about it?

In the IT sector , blind and the deaf people are grossly less represented
and almost all jobs are going 

Re: [Ai] Can we discuss hard truth: why blind and the deafpeople are less represented in the government/private sectorsin India? what can we do about it?

[r k sarin via Ai]

What a proacive disabled staff can do at most, he can ask the officer to 
provide software. More than this, may make officer irritating.
- Original Message - 
From: "PAULMUDDHA via Ai" 

To: "'Share, empower '" 
Cc: "PAULMUDDHA" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Can we discuss hard truth: why blind and the deafpeople 
are less represented in the government/private sectorsin India? what can we 
do about it?



I feel there should be a change in the attitude with respect to assigned 
jobs and learn new things, know ideas owing to changes in technology, 
market situation and above all the software is some time not supporting the 
job profile.
A small example, inspite of improved version of Jaws 18, the work in 
Canarabank is inaccessible when it comes to the main aspect of work in 
Creditcard division where the blind are employed.
I am being informed that few of the visually challenged employed in banks 
do not willing to perform their duties just because they are not provided 
software.
We must try to be proactive in exhibiting their talents and impress upon 
the authorities that persons are interested to do something in life.


Regards
Paul

-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
Reach Now via Ai

Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:20 AM
To: Share, empower 
Cc: Reach Now
Subject: Re: [Ai] Can we discuss hard truth: why blind and the deaf people 
are less represented in the government/private sectors in India? what can 
we do about it?



The recruitment of visually impaired individuals in the I T sector in 
India is a big eye wash.


With very few exceptions, most visually impaired individuals are employed 
either at entry level or a notch above entry level and that too in either 
accessibility or accessibility testing. That said, these companies employ 
the visually impaired only because they don't have an option. When was the 
last time you met a sighted individual totally proficient in the latest 
version of JAWS with capabilities exceeding those of us?


All you need to do is to look around and you will notice that the top 
profiles from our visually impaired community, even at the international 
level, mostly belong to the accessibility sub-segment. They have 
gravitated toward accessibility simply because the possibility of their 
being hired for anything else other than accessibility by the so called 
forward looking I T enterprises is one in a million. It has nothing to do 
with their capabilities.


I don't expect the I T corporates to end their proverbial lip service any 
time soon owing to their self-centered agendas.


Instead of wasting their time and pleading to I T employers for jobs, the 
young and smart minds from our community should consider exploring the 
startup eco system and gradually step into tech entrepreneurship. It goes 
without saying that such an exploration requires a phenomenal amount of 
guidance, commitment, patience and discipline.


I wish there was an NGO in India that would help visually impaired 
millennials with tech entrepreneurship. If you know of one, please share 
the information with all of us.


Dr. Rajesh
Noida


- Original Message -
From: "madhusinghal via Ai" 
To: "'Share, empower '" 
Cc: "madhusinghal" 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Can we discuss hard truth: why blind and the deaf people 
are less represented in the government/private sectors in India? what can 
we do about it?



Another reason less communication by the needy.

-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
George Abraham via Ai

Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 12:41 PM
To: 'Share, empower '; 'jnuvision'; 'sayeverything'
Cc: George Abraham
Subject: Re: [Ai] Can we discuss hard truth: why blind and the deaf people 
are less represented in the government/private sectors in India? what can 
we do about it?


Of the top of my head, I would offer two critical reasons why blind and 
deaf people are being left behind when it comes to employment in the IT 
sector.


1.  Poor quality of education. No access to quality.
2. Wide spread ignorance and not so favourable perceptions.

Other ideas can pour in.

Regards,,
George


-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
avinash shahi via Ai

Sent: 26 June 2017 11:24
To: ai; jnuvision; sayeverything
Cc: avinash shahi
Subject: [Ai] Can we discuss hard truth: why blind and the deaf people are 
less represented in the government/private sectors in India? what can we 
do about it?


In the IT sector , blind and the deaf people are grossly less represented 
and almost all jobs are going to persons with locomotor disabilities. Read 
this 

Re: [Ai] Can we discuss hard truth: why blind and the deaf people are less represented in the government/private sectors in India? what can we do about it?

[r k sarin via Ai]

I agree with your second point but so far as poor quality of education is 
concerned, no applicant will go to the IT sector if he does not have its 
education. After, the applicant is supposed to fulfil minimum qualification. 
So, by stating this that there is poor education, we can think of its 
development but we cannot treat it as a cause. Where is the good quality of 
education? As a teacher, I have interacted with the public school students 
but I have to cut a sorry figure so far their educational standard is 
concerned. Competition is always amongst the qualified.
- Original Message - 
From: "George Abraham via Ai" 
To: "'Share, empower '" ; 
"'jnuvision'" ; "'sayeverything'" 


Cc: "George Abraham" 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Can we discuss hard truth: why blind and the deaf people 
are less represented in the government/private sectors in India? what can we 
do about it?



Of the top of my head, I would offer two critical reasons why blind and 
deaf people are being left behind when it comes to employment in the IT 
sector.


1.  Poor quality of education. No access to quality.
2. Wide spread ignorance and not so favourable perceptions.

Other ideas can pour in.

Regards,,
George


-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
avinash shahi via Ai

Sent: 26 June 2017 11:24
To: ai; jnuvision; sayeverything
Cc: avinash shahi
Subject: [Ai] Can we discuss hard truth: why blind and the deaf people are 
less represented in the government/private sectors in India? what can we 
do about it?


In the IT sector , blind and the deaf people are grossly less
represented and almost all jobs are going to persons with locomotor
disabilities. Read this report published on the Hyderabad page in the
Hindu. “Visually challenged and hearing impaired people are still
trickling into offices." Can we have latest disability-wise data on
employment which would help us in offering better policy
recommendation.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/it-sector-gets-disabled-friendly/article19142830.ece
--
Avinash Shahi
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Re: [Ai] Indian Express's gender and media series: not treat visually impaired like bechaari women’

[r k sarin via Ai]

Even the word dignity is a relative term. If we are given relaxation, we can 
make use of that money  in some other ways which is more useful keeping view 
in our specific nneed. It was because of this, certain promises were made in 
RPD Act. I still agree that creamy layer disabled should not get such 
exemptions.
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From: "Chirag Mittal via Ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>

To: "Share, empower " <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: "Chirag Mittal" <chiragmittal...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Indian Express's gender and media series: not treat 
visually impaired like bechaari women’




Sareen ji, I advocated equal taxation only for employees earnings and
not for indirect taxes meant for appliances. Secondly, life is indeed
costly for a blind/visual challenge  I agree, but the way out to meet
this extra expense is prudent investment. So look and search positive
ways to live good life with dignity.

On 6/25/17, r k sarin via Ai <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:

It is not bagging at all. Don't you think that the life of the disabled
person is costlier and do you not admit that some of these items will 
also

be used by the disabled students majority of whom come from the poverty
stricken families. It is not bagging but asking something in a rightful
manner.
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From: "Chirag Mittal via Ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
To: "Share, empower " <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: "Chirag Mittal" <chiragmittal...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Indian Express's gender and media series: not treat
visually impaired like bechaari women’



Please understand that we guys do need an assistant to live with
comfort  and  dignity. If u have got a govt. job that means govt has
hold your hands.Now its your responsibility to arrange all means like
family,assistant,gadgets to live with dignity.Also please do not beg
for tax concessions .


On 6/24/17, r k sarin via Ai <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:
Good posting. I feel we are divyang we can do anything so we can also 
pay


as
much as desired. What is wrong if we are asked to give taxes.Such types
of
fruits will keep on pouring in do not worry.
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To: "sig-dsu" <sig-...@freelists.org>; "jnuvision"
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"accessindia" <accessin...@accessindia.org.in>; "ai"
<ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: "avinash shahi" <shahi88avin...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 10:12 AM
Subject: [Ai] Indian Express's gender and media series: not treat
visually
impaired like bechaari women’



Photo captioning:  Sharmishtha Atreja in her office in the Department
of Philosophy, University of Delhi. (Image credit: Vageshwari Atreja)
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/govt-must-provide-alternatives-not-treat-visually-impaired-like-bechaari-women4716539/
“I am a disabled person and not divyang. I don’t want to stand out
like some star to highlight I am a blind woman,” says Sharmishtha
Atreja, Assistant Professor at Department of Philosophy at University
of Delhi. Sharmishta is 30 years old and suffers from Retinitis
Pigmentosa — a genetic condition that led to blindness early on in her
life.

On December 25, 2015, Prime Minister Narendra Modi in his radio
program ‘Mann ki Baat’ proposed that the term ‘divyang’ (divine body)
should be used for persons with disability instead of ‘viklang’
(disabled). “Though I am apolitical, I have reservations about how
this current government is rephrasing the terminology involving the
disabled,” says Sharmishta as she explains that the term divyang
refers to ‘pushing the burden to God.’

According to 2011 Census, 62 per cent of the literate population among
the visually disabled are men. The trend is reversed among illiterate
population as more than 58 per cent of them are women.

The Goods and Service Tax (GST) announced by the government recently,
that is set to be launched on July 1, imposes five to 18 per cent
taxes on a range of aids and appliances used by persons with
disabilities including Braille Paper and typewriters. All these
appliances and devices were till date exempt from all taxes like Sales
Tax, VAT, Excise, Customs etc. This will change with GST.

According to a press statement issued by the Disability Rights
Organisations’ Forum, “This proposal militates against the spirit and
mandate of the Rights of Persons with Disabilities Act, 2016 which
obliges the State to provide all aforesaid assistive devices,
equipment 

Re: [Ai] Indian Express's gender and media series: not treat visually impaired like bechaari women’

[r k sarin via Ai]

It is not bagging at all. Don't you think that the life of the disabled 
person is costlier and do you not admit that some of these items will also 
be used by the disabled students majority of whom come from the poverty 
stricken families. It is not bagging but asking something in a rightful 
manner.
- Original Message - 
From: "Chirag Mittal via Ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>

To: "Share, empower " <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: "Chirag Mittal" <chiragmittal...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Indian Express's gender and media series: not treat 
visually impaired like bechaari women’




Please understand that we guys do need an assistant to live with
comfort  and  dignity. If u have got a govt. job that means govt has
hold your hands.Now its your responsibility to arrange all means like
family,assistant,gadgets to live with dignity.Also please do not beg
for tax concessions .


On 6/24/17, r k sarin via Ai <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:
Good posting. I feel we are divyang we can do anything so we can also pay 
as
much as desired. What is wrong if we are asked to give taxes.Such types 
of

fruits will keep on pouring in do not worry.
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To: "sig-dsu" <sig-...@freelists.org>; "jnuvision"
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Subject: [Ai] Indian Express's gender and media series: not treat 
visually

impaired like bechaari women’



Photo captioning:  Sharmishtha Atreja in her office in the Department
of Philosophy, University of Delhi. (Image credit: Vageshwari Atreja)
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/govt-must-provide-alternatives-not-treat-visually-impaired-like-bechaari-women4716539/
“I am a disabled person and not divyang. I don’t want to stand out
like some star to highlight I am a blind woman,” says Sharmishtha
Atreja, Assistant Professor at Department of Philosophy at University
of Delhi. Sharmishta is 30 years old and suffers from Retinitis
Pigmentosa — a genetic condition that led to blindness early on in her
life.

On December 25, 2015, Prime Minister Narendra Modi in his radio
program ‘Mann ki Baat’ proposed that the term ‘divyang’ (divine body)
should be used for persons with disability instead of ‘viklang’
(disabled). “Though I am apolitical, I have reservations about how
this current government is rephrasing the terminology involving the
disabled,” says Sharmishta as she explains that the term divyang
refers to ‘pushing the burden to God.’

According to 2011 Census, 62 per cent of the literate population among
the visually disabled are men. The trend is reversed among illiterate
population as more than 58 per cent of them are women.

The Goods and Service Tax (GST) announced by the government recently,
that is set to be launched on July 1, imposes five to 18 per cent
taxes on a range of aids and appliances used by persons with
disabilities including Braille Paper and typewriters. All these
appliances and devices were till date exempt from all taxes like Sales
Tax, VAT, Excise, Customs etc. This will change with GST.

According to a press statement issued by the Disability Rights
Organisations’ Forum, “This proposal militates against the spirit and
mandate of the Rights of Persons with Disabilities Act, 2016 which
obliges the State to provide all aforesaid assistive devices,
equipment and Braille books to persons with disabilities either free
or at affordable cost.”

In her three-room, neatly organized apartment in North Delhi, the
voice on the speaker booms as Sharmishta’s fingers move swiftly on the
touchpad of her small laptop. She is updating her commute music
playlist. As the cursor hovers over tiny icons on her home screen, the
text-to-speech synthetic voice on the speaker obediently calls out
their names. She soon puts the device on sleep mode. “So you have
already seen how I use my laptop,” she sheepishly grins.

Sharmishta says the language used for disabled people by the
government is in dire need of reorientation especially when it comes
to distributing aid like wheelchairs or canes. “It is usually
publicised that these things have been donated. The fact is that it is
not donation. The government is required to provide amenities for the
disabled as it is our right.”

disabled population, blind women india, divyang, narendra modi,
disabled people gst, india news Sharmishtha has a disdain for the
constant gaze of pity for disabled women. “Women with disability mu

Re: [Ai] Online library

[r k sarin via Ai]

Is it not the paid library?
  - Original Message - 
  From: sunakshi via Ai 
  To: Share, empower  
  Cc: sunakshi 
  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ai] Online library


  Thanks Harish.


  Regards,
  Sunakshi Bajpai
  +91-8173800424
  M.S.W (2013-15) | TISS, Mumbai



  On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Harish Kotian via Ai 
 wrote:

All

I found this library, which has rich collections of books. It looks also a 
genuine site.

www.openlibrary.org

You can check it out.

Harish


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