[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
I've been recovering % slowly last week (after a couple large initial gaps ups) and seemed to have topped off last weekend at a reasonable historical number. Rankings seems to be reasonable as well. All I can say is this Android Market roller coaster sure is a wild ride. Doug On Mar 22, 10:11 pm, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: Today I suddenly recovered 10% of the lost users and 3 places in the rankiings. So we are halfway there. Still not a peep from Google as far as my e-mails to them are concerned. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Today I suddenly recovered 10% of the lost users and 3 places in the rankiings. So we are halfway there. Still not a peep from Google as far as my e-mails to them are concerned. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
On 2011-03-17 01:46, Zsolt Vasvari wrote: I don't know. Does a lower power phone means Android 2.1?? I don't think so as I don't believe that the hardware requirements have really changed much from 1.5 to even 2.3. Theoretically: Not really In reality: Yes - at least where I live. Sure, the Hero like got 2.x in the end, Magic and G1 didn't. The X10 series got 2.x in the end (but everyone expected them to have it from the start). However, at the moment it exceedingly unlikely that you will get a new phone with 1.x - unless you are fooled into it. Hence, most 1.x devices are likely to be hand-me-downs, old users who don't really care or new users who don't have a clue. None of these are high on my list of power-app-shoppers (doubt most of them will figure out how to register to buy even), so it will be free or nothing. YMMV / Jonas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Just to give an update on my plight -- nothing has changed as far as the stats and the three e-mails I sent to Google have gone unanswered. You sent to the web link I posted ? If so, I'm surprised, they've always answered me there within a working day. Pent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Have anyone seen the peak of 17th February?? That might have been done to balance out the drop of the 1st December? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
17.03.2011 12:46, Albert пишет: Have anyone seen the peak of 17th February?? That might have been done to balance out the drop of the 1st December? Yes, I see that. But for my apps, the December 17th increase is much smaller than the January 1st drop (about 1/3). -- Kostya Vasilyev -- http://kmansoft.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
On 2011-03-17 10:46, Albert wrote: Have anyone seen the peak of 17th February?? That might have been done to balance out the drop of the 1st December? Well I have a fair sized bump (about 15%) on 17-19th of Feb for my app that is popular in the US (65% users), but on my more Sweden specific app (83% .se users) it is well within the normal ripples. On a third app with 55% US users there is a somewhat unusual increase (~7%) on the 17th, but in that case it didn't drop back down. So, it may be that it is US-related or just random. Hope this helps / Jonas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
So, it may be that it is US-related or just random. Umm that would make sense, 78% of my users are from the US and the bump of the 17th February is for me bigger that the drop of the 1st January -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
They responded to the intial e-mail that they are investigating, but that was a week ago. Since then I sent a couple of more e-mails to which they haven't responded. On Mar 17, 5:24 pm, Pent supp...@apps.dinglisch.net wrote: Just to give an update on my plight -- nothing has changed as far as the stats and the three e-mails I sent to Google have gone unanswered. You sent to the web link I posted ? If so, I'm surprised, they've always answered me there within a working day. Pent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
For example, 1.6 is shown as as having a 4.8% share in one, 7.1% in the other -- they are not even close. So, my theory to discontinue 1.5 and 1.6 support became much murkier as I have no way of knowing which number is right and which one is BS. It's not a matter of the overall averages in regards to v1.5 and 1.6. I would focus more on what your actual app percentages are instead of the average over the whole Market. For instance one of my apps has a total of about 15-20% at v1.5 and 1.6 (spread evenly between the two). I was thinking about discontinuing support for 1.5 until I saw this. This is almost 1/5 of my user base that I would have alienated if I had done so. Keep in mind that these percentages vary greatly to what the Market average is. I think the Market average stuff is just to give you an idea of the Android version trends more than anything else and you should treat it accordingly. And, since, in theory, the new statistics are updated nightly, I would think that the market average numbers are more accurate than the weekly/bi-weekly updated stats on the market share page. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
The two charts are actually showing different data, though. The one on the right of the Statistics pages in the dev console is showing the aggregate for all Market apps, while the one at http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html is showing all Android devices. Not the same thing... apps != devices. This doesn't explain the ~20% discrepancy between total install numbers *for the same app* on two different places in the dev console, though. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
17.03.2011 0:38, String ?: This doesn't explain the ~20% discrepancy between total install numbers /for the same app/ on two different places in the dev console, though. Yeah, that's something that bothers me too. Would be great if someone from the Market team explained this - I can dream, right? -- Kostya Vasilyev -- http://kmansoft.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
OK, so here's something ironic... TreKing assets that breakages (like the install percentage) precede Market changes, right? Well, the recent addition of Statistics actually provides its own evidence for this view! I had one app - my top seller, of course - affected by the install percentage drop that this thread was originally about. And here is its Accumulated installs graph for the period in question: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_ydWSe2MyJEU/TYEv3hyIYnI/A2Y/RqKScT0DpJA/terratime_graph.png This graph is completely unlike any of my other apps, and I'll wager it's unlike most of yours too - except for you, Zsolt. Every other app is almost monotonically increasing, apart from very occasional (and small) peaks. This kind of wholesale dropoff is singular. I'm seriously hoping that this breakage - whatever it was - is now past, and the app in question will eventually return to normal sales levels. But it still sucks. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Would be great if someone from the Market team explained this - I can dream, right? All night long :/ Someonefrom google devs said (week or two ago) that noone from Market team is here Regards, Marcin Orlowski Tray Agenda for Android http://bit.ly/trayagenda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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Second sentence should have started TreKing *asserts* that... Just goes to show you, spellchecking doesn't catch everything. :^) String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
17.03.2011 0:51, String пишет: This graph is completely unlike any of my other apps, and I'll wager it's unlike most of yours too - except for you, Zsolt. Every other app is almost monotonically increasing, apart from very occasional (and small) peaks. This kind of wholesale dropoff is singular. I'm seeing a 10% drop for both of my applications on January 1st. Anyone else? This could be explained by lots of users getting new phones as gifts for New Year's and deciding to not reinstall, but I'm not sure if that's really it (they'd have to uninstall from the old phone first for this to be counted). -- Kostya Vasilyev -- http://kmansoft.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Kostya Vasilyev kmans...@gmail.com wrote: I'm seeing a 10% drop for both of my applications on January 1st. Anyone else? Yup. Jan 28th as well for me on both apps. Figuring out the ass-backwards logic behind the market as a community is kind of fun =) - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Hmm, January 28 is not a special date like New Year's Eve. So we not only test Market but also document it :) 17.03.2011 1:35 пользователь TreKing treking...@gmail.com написал: On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Kostya Vasilyev kmans...@gmail.com wrote: I'm seeing a 10% drop for both of my applications on January 1st. Anyone else? Yup. Jan 28th as well for me on both apps. Figuring out the ass-backwards logic behind the market as a community is kind of fun =) - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Figuring out the ass-backwards logic behind the market as a community is kind of fun =) It's not a bug. It's a feature Regards, Marcin Orlowski Tray Agenda for Android http://bit.ly/trayagenda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Well, I don't trust the numbers they are showing for my app, either. I also have 2 versions, a free and a paid version. The free version is showing that 1.5 + 1.6 = 7.4% vs. 2.4% for the paid version. While I am no statistician, I believe this cannot be right. I suppose it's possible that the free version of my app is used in poorer countries where paid apps are unavailable, but should that correlate with an older Android version? My guess would be no. On Mar 16, 9:51 pm, Justin Giles jtgi...@gmail.com wrote: For example, 1.6 is shown as as having a 4.8% share in one, 7.1% in the other -- they are not even close. So, my theory to discontinue 1.5 and 1.6 support became much murkier as I have no way of knowing which number is right and which one is BS. It's not a matter of the overall averages in regards to v1.5 and 1.6. I would focus more on what your actual app percentages are instead of the average over the whole Market. For instance one of my apps has a total of about 15-20% at v1.5 and 1.6 (spread evenly between the two). I was thinking about discontinuing support for 1.5 until I saw this. This is almost 1/5 of my user base that I would have alienated if I had done so. Keep in mind that these percentages vary greatly to what the Market average is. I think the Market average stuff is just to give you an idea of the Android version trends more than anything else and you should treat it accordingly. And, since, in theory, the new statistics are updated nightly, I would think that the market average numbers are more accurate than the weekly/bi-weekly updated stats on the market share page. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Perhaps - users who have newer, more expensive phones are more likely to purchase applications. Truth or BS? Take a guess :) 17.03.2011 1:46 пользователь Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com написал: Well, I don't trust the numbers they are showing for my app, either. I also have 2 versions, a free and a paid version. The free version is showing that 1.5 + 1.6 = 7.4% vs. 2.4% for the paid version. While I am no statistician, I believe this cannot be right. I suppose it's possible that the free version of my app is used in poorer countries where paid apps are unavailable, but should that correlate with an older Android version? My guess would be no. On Mar 16, 9:51 pm, Justin Giles jtgi...@gmail.com wrote: For example, 1.6 is shown as as having a 4.8% share in one, 7.1% in the other -- they are not even close. So, my theory to discontinue 1.5 and 1.6 support became much murkier as I have no way of knowing which number is right and which one is BS. It's not a matter of the overall averages in regards to v1.5 and 1.6. I would focus more on what your actual app percentages are instead of the average over the whole Market. For instance one of my apps has a total of about 15-20% at v1.5 and 1.6 (spread evenly between the two). I was thinking about discontinuing support for 1.5 until I saw this. This is almost 1/5 of my user base that I would have alienated if I had done so. Keep in mind that these percentages vary greatly to what the Market average is. I think the Market average stuff is just to give you an idea of the Android version trends more than anything else and you should treat it accordingly. And, since, in theory, the new statistics are updated nightly, I would think that the market average numbers are more accurate than the weekly/bi-weekly updated stats on the market share page. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
On 2011-03-16 23:45, Zsolt Vasvari wrote: I also have 2 versions, a free and a paid version. The free version is showing that 1.5 + 1.6 = 7.4% vs. 2.4% for the paid version. While I am no statistician, I believe this cannot be right. Well, examining the stats for my own apps, I see a fair correlation that the people willing to pay for apps are those who have the more expensive phones which in turn means that they typically run 2.2+. I guess it boils down to: people with more money spend more. Simple? I don't know about sales stats anywhere but around here (Sweden) there are about 60 Android models available, and sorting those by popularity (very simple in my Prisjakt/PriceSpy app) you find that none of the top half runs 1.x - in fact only seven in the top half runs 2.1 - everything else is 2.2+. My free apps have around 7% 1.x (the older apps somewhat more, newer somewhat less). Obviously, living in Sweden means it was not really possible to buy OR sell apps until about 6 months ago, so this affects my stats. My take on this: I think it makes fair sense. Best / Jonas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
I don't know. Does a lower power phone means Android 2.1?? I don't think so as I don't believe that the hardware requirements have really changed much from 1.5 to even 2.3. In the US, the only major phone that's not on 2.0+ is the Motorola CLIQ XT, and that's not even because of hardware reasons. On Mar 17, 7:11 am, Jonas Petersson jonas.peters...@xms.se wrote: On 2011-03-16 23:45, Zsolt Vasvari wrote: I also have 2 versions, a free and a paid version. The free version is showing that 1.5 + 1.6 = 7.4% vs. 2.4% for the paid version. While I am no statistician, I believe this cannot be right. Well, examining the stats for my own apps, I see a fair correlation that the people willing to pay for apps are those who have the more expensive phones which in turn means that they typically run 2.2+. I guess it boils down to: people with more money spend more. Simple? I don't know about sales stats anywhere but around here (Sweden) there are about 60 Android models available, and sorting those by popularity (very simple in my Prisjakt/PriceSpy app) you find that none of the top half runs 1.x - in fact only seven in the top half runs 2.1 - everything else is 2.2+. My free apps have around 7% 1.x (the older apps somewhat more, newer somewhat less). Obviously, living in Sweden means it was not really possible to buy OR sell apps until about 6 months ago, so this affects my stats. My take on this: I think it makes fair sense. Best / Jonas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
posing as a Market dev waves hand These aren't the Market bugs you are looking for. Move along now, move along. /waves hand /posting as a Market dev In all seriousness, do I feel cheated when I see my stats drop dramatically? Yes. Do I feel like there should be some correction? Yes. Has anything been done in the past to recover the stats? Very rarely. Should I trust what I see in the Market dev console? Maybe, but unlikely. Will I focus more on trends from my ad and sales revenue and manually looking at my app rank in the market instead of focusing on these percentages? Yes. Do I hope that someone from the Market will actually start paying attention and at least address some of our seemingly non-confidential questions? Yes. I almost feel like we are beating a dead horse here. On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know. Does a lower power phone means Android 2.1?? I don't think so as I don't believe that the hardware requirements have really changed much from 1.5 to even 2.3. In the US, the only major phone that's not on 2.0+ is the Motorola CLIQ XT, and that's not even because of hardware reasons. On Mar 17, 7:11 am, Jonas Petersson jonas.peters...@xms.se wrote: On 2011-03-16 23:45, Zsolt Vasvari wrote: I also have 2 versions, a free and a paid version. The free version is showing that 1.5 + 1.6 = 7.4% vs. 2.4% for the paid version. While I am no statistician, I believe this cannot be right. Well, examining the stats for my own apps, I see a fair correlation that the people willing to pay for apps are those who have the more expensive phones which in turn means that they typically run 2.2+. I guess it boils down to: people with more money spend more. Simple? I don't know about sales stats anywhere but around here (Sweden) there are about 60 Android models available, and sorting those by popularity (very simple in my Prisjakt/PriceSpy app) you find that none of the top half runs 1.x - in fact only seven in the top half runs 2.1 - everything else is 2.2+. My free apps have around 7% 1.x (the older apps somewhat more, newer somewhat less). Obviously, living in Sweden means it was not really possible to buy OR sell apps until about 6 months ago, so this affects my stats. My take on this: I think it makes fair sense. Best / Jonas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
In all seriousness, do I feel cheated when I see my stats drop dramatically? Yes. Just to give an update on my plight -- nothing has changed as far as the stats and the three e-mails I sent to Google have gone unanswered. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
That's f-ed up: According to my chart, my install # should be about 71% (what the graph shows / total installs from the main page), but the main page shows nearly 50% fewer installs and thus my install % is only 45%. I can only say one thing to this: WTF On Mar 15, 1:23 pm, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote: But wait! Now the Android Market will show you installation stats! It's interesting. Apparently I had a big install spike coming up to Jan 1 this year, and a similar drop the next few days. Also, I had a sustained run up through the middle of Feb, but then a drop after that. None of this really explains the wacky numbers I've seen lately, though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
On the other hand, my free app is the other way around. More installs are shown on the first page then on the chart... On Mar 15, 2:14 pm, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: That's f-ed up: According to my chart, my install # should be about 71% (what the graph shows / total installs from the main page), but the main page shows nearly 50% fewer installs and thus my install % is only 45%. I can only say one thing to this: WTF On Mar 15, 1:23 pm, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote: But wait! Now the Android Market will show you installation stats! It's interesting. Apparently I had a big install spike coming up to Jan 1 this year, and a similar drop the next few days. Also, I had a sustained run up through the middle of Feb, but then a drop after that. None of this really explains the wacky numbers I've seen lately, though.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
I wonder if there is maybe something going on with devices not phoning home properly to collect stats. The notes at the bottom of the page seem to suggest that nothing you see there is really that reliable. Also wonder if piracy or highly customized devices play into these numbers at all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
For me as well, the second page shows lesser numbers than the old, first one, by about 10%. -- Kostya 15.03.2011 9:18, Zsolt Vasvari пишет: On the other hand, my free app is the other way around. More installs are shown on the first page then on the chart... On Mar 15, 2:14 pm, Zsolt Vasvarizvasv...@gmail.com wrote: That's f-ed up: According to my chart, my install # should be about 71% (what the graph shows / total installs from the main page), but the main page shows nearly 50% fewer installs and thus my install % is only 45%. I can only say one thing to this: WTF On Mar 15, 1:23 pm, Dougbeafd...@gmail.com wrote: But wait! Now the Android Market will show you installation stats! It's interesting. Apparently I had a big install spike coming up to Jan 1 this year, and a similar drop the next few days. Also, I had a sustained run up through the middle of Feb, but then a drop after that. None of this really explains the wacky numbers I've seen lately, though.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Kostya Vasilyev -- http://kmansoft.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Well, they need to phone home as I am using LVL. I think the notes on the bottom are talking about the device info stuff. On Mar 15, 4:21 pm, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if there is maybe something going on with devices not phoning home properly to collect stats. The notes at the bottom of the page seem to suggest that nothing you see there is really that reliable. Also wonder if piracy or highly customized devices play into these numbers at all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote: But wait! Now the Android Market will show you installation stats! LOL - This is what competition is all about. Forcing the market to improve it's tools. It's interesting. Apparently I had a big install spike coming up to Jan 1 this year, and a similar drop the next few days. Also, I had a sustained run up through the middle of Feb, but then a drop after that. None of this really explains the wacky numbers I've seen lately, though. Well it explains the drops in installs. Every time the Market Monkeys add a new feature they break at least 2 other things in the process. It's their way of letting us know somethings coming. God forbid they make a blog post or send out an email. On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: That's f-ed up: According to my chart, my install # should be about 71% (what the graph shows / total installs from the main page), but the main page shows nearly 50% fewer installs and thus my install % is only 45%. I can only say one thing to this: WTF On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:21 AM, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if there is maybe something going on with devices not phoning home properly to collect stats. The notes at the bottom of the page seem to suggest that nothing you see there is really that reliable. Seriously. The graphs says one install count, the total on the main page says another. What's the point of this if it doesn't even work? Good grief - even when the Market improves, it's half-assed and makes you wonder what the hell the point of it was. Stats that don't make sense and can't be counted on!? Awesome, thanks Google! - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Hi all, On 2011-03-15 13:48, TreKing wrote: [] Seriously. The graphs says one install count, the total on the main page says another. Well, I had a brief look at this and I suspect you should think of this similar to how you review the Android version statistics. My interpretation is that the install count on the front page is a sum from the day you published the app whereas the install count on the Statistics page only apply to the shown time period. In fact, I'm pretty sure the statistics page install count has *NO* relation to whether it was actually downloaded from Market - just that it was installed on that particular phone during some kind of update request. The reason I've deduced this is that a particular app of mine has is installed on 3 devices running Android 1.0 and I'm 100% sure I've never had minSDK set that low since. So those users must have pirated is and installed it sideways. It is a free app so I'm not really particularly bothered about this, but I consider it a hint on how these statistics were collected. Assuming these stats show what I think they do, they are actually quite useful IMHO - for example it gives a fair hint of the languages used for my apps in specific countries. Being able to drill down in for instance device or OS stats per country would be very useful too. My few EUR-cents / Jonas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Jonas Petersson jonas.peters...@xms.sewrote: My interpretation ... In fact, I'm pretty sure ... The reason I've deduced this ... Assuming these stats show what I think they do ... Wouldn't it be great if someone from the Market team gave enough of a damn to take two seconds out of their life to explain what all of it actually means instead of us having to make wild guesses and theories? Man, that would be something ... - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
In fact, I'm pretty sure the statistics page install count has *NO* relation to whether it was actually downloaded from Market - just that it was installed on that particular phone during some kind of update request. Really? My understanding was that if it wasn't installed from the Market, you cannot update it from there either. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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Wouldn't it be great if someone from the Market team gave enough of a damn to take two seconds out of their life to explain what all of it actually means instead of us having to make wild guesses and theories? Man, that would be something ... I think at the bottom of the screen, in really, really, really tiny print it says Interpretation of these statistics or anything regarding Android Market is left as an exercise to the reader. Maybe I just need new glasses... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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On 2011-03-15 14:52, Zsolt Vasvari wrote: In fact, I'm pretty sure the statistics page install count has *NO* relation to whether it was actually downloaded from Market - just that it was installed on that particular phone during some kind of update request. Really? My understanding was that if it wasn't installed from the Market, you cannot update it from there either. I have not verified recently, but a while back (say a year or so) I experienced that when my app was installed manually it would not AUTOMATICALLY update from Market, but as long as it was signed with the same key you could still manually request an update (this was a free app - perhaps there are other restrictions on paid apps) and from then on the automatic update would work. I'm pretty sure this applies to the pre-installed GoogleMaps and GMail apps too. Obviously, I have no idea how the stats were collected, but since the 1.0 stats *ARE* there I'll have to assume it is true and that someone forcefully has connected it to Market - after all we are talking pirate-class users here so an improved firmware is reasonably likely. Best / Jonas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
I think another way this discrepancy may happen is when users have the same google userId on multiple devices. I noticed it on a new app I put out 2 days ago - shows one more install on the stats page than the main page. I know two of the buyers and one told me that she put it on two different devices. On 2011-03-15 13:48, TreKing wrote: [] Seriously. The graphs says one install count, the total on the main page says another. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
AUTOMATICALLY update from Market, but as long as it was signed with the same key you could still manually request an update (this was a free app - perhaps there are other restrictions on paid apps) and from then on the automatic update would work. Well, that cannot be the case for my app as I am using LVL. Of course, it can be cracked, but hopefully not re-signed with my key. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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I'm looking over these stats and this is just comical now. I just have one app (technically two, free and paid version). As you can probably tell, it's for public transit in Chicago. If you're not aware, Chicago is in the U.S. The only place my app makes sense is in this city, *in the US*. In the Market console I've restricted the location to the U.S., since that's the only place it makes sense. Individually they are 98.7% and 99.7% in the US - fine, I can believe a few got out somewhere for some reason. Maybe tourists visiting Chicago or something. Now the Market for all apps, which I assume to be an average or aggregate of all (in my case two) apps, is ... 57.7% U.S.? And 9.0% is in *South Korea* ? W ... T ... F ... ? For shits and giggles I put in a ticket asking them to explain all of these stats, where they come from, and what they really mean. We'll see what they say (if anything). - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Now the Market for all apps, which I assume to be an average or aggregate of all (in my case two) apps, is ... 57.7% U.S.? And 9.0% is in *South Korea* ? I took that to mean the average across all apps and all developers. So a Market wide average distribution. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Justin Giles jtgi...@gmail.com wrote: Now the Market for all apps, which I assume to be an average or aggregate of all (in my case two) apps, is ... 57.7% U.S.? And 9.0% is in *South Korea* ? I took that to mean the average across all apps and all developers. So a Market wide average distribution. I can confirm that for those categories, mine also says 57.7% for US and 9.0% for South Korea, so I believe my assumption (man I hate assuming) is correct. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Justin Giles jtgi...@gmail.com wrote: I can confirm that for those categories, mine also says 57.7% for US and 9.0% for South Korea, so I believe my assumption (man I hate assuming) is correct. That makes sense, thanks. One would think they would just update this http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html instead of posting the same exact information on every dev's console with a non-descriptive title. Google should really consider getting UI designers. Or firing the ones they have if they do. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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15.03.2011 18:24, TreKing ?: On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Justin Giles jtgi...@gmail.com mailto:jtgi...@gmail.com wrote: I can confirm that for those categories, mine also says 57.7% for US and 9.0% for South Korea, so I believe my assumption (man I hate assuming) is correct. That makes sense, thanks. One would think they would just update this http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html instead of posting the same exact information on every dev's console with a non-descriptive title. Huh? There are two per-country breakdowns: one for the selected application, one global. I'm also seeing 9.0% for South Korea - but that's under Market all apps, which makes sense, it should be the same as everyone's. To the left of that, application specific per-country and per-language breakdowns show different numbers. Funny thing is, I have more installations in South Korea than in Russia - and the apps are only localized to English and Russian. Google should really consider getting UI designers. Or firing the ones they have if they do. Yeah, they failed to use blink to highlight global vs. application specific numbers :) -- Kostya Vasilyev -- http://kmansoft.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Funny thing is, I have more installations in South Korea than in Russia - and the apps are only localized to English and Russian. For one of my app 80% of active installs is, to my big surprise, South Korea. Seems I may have to consider doing korean localisation -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
I guess they have a lot of Android phones out there :) 15.03.2011 19:43, Marcin Orlowski пишет: Funny thing is, I have more installations in South Korea than in Russia - and the apps are only localized to English and Russian. For one of my app 80% of active installs is, to my big surprise, South Korea. Seems I may have to consider doing korean localisation -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Kostya Vasilyev -- http://kmansoft.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Kostya Vasilyev kmans...@gmail.comwrote: 15.03.2011 18:24, TreKing пишет: On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Justin Giles jtgi...@gmail.com wrote: I can confirm that for those categories, mine also says 57.7% for US and 9.0% for South Korea, so I believe my assumption (man I hate assuming) is correct. That makes sense, thanks. One would think they would just update this http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html instead of posting the same exact information on every dev's console with a non-descriptive title. Huh? There are two per-country breakdowns: one for the selected application, one global. I'm also seeing 9.0% for South Korea - but that's under Market all apps, which makes sense, it should be the same as everyone's. Right - I'm just saying the global one should just be shown in the platform-versions page in the docs. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
15.03.2011 19:53, TreKing пишет: Right - I'm just saying the global one should just be shown in the platform-versions page in the docs. Dunno. I like having a side by side comparison. I know. They could show the same chart in two places! -- Kostya Vasilyev -- http://kmansoft.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
The funniest (pathetic) thing is that Google's own charts as far as % share of Android versions don't even match up. Compare your app's statistics page (Market all apps chart) to this: http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html For example, 1.6 is shown as as having a 4.8% share in one, 7.1% in the other -- they are not even close. So, my theory to discontinue 1.5 and 1.6 support became much murkier as I have no way of knowing which number is right and which one is BS. On Mar 16, 12:59 am, Kostya Vasilyev kmans...@gmail.com wrote: 15.03.2011 19:53, TreKing пишет: Right - I'm just saying the global one should just be shown in the platform-versions page in the docs. Dunno. I like having a side by side comparison. I know. They could show the same chart in two places! -- Kostya Vasilyev --http://kmansoft.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
My install % gapped up by 4% again and is almost fully restored to normal. Sales and rank are doing better this week since this number has improved for me over the past week. Hoping you'll get a similar boost... Doug On Friday, March 11, 2011 3:52:00 PM UTC-8, Zsolt Vasvari wrote: I finally got a response from Google that they are looking into the problem, but no change in the install %. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:12 PM, gjs garyjamessi...@gmail.com wrote: Be interested if they do eventually provide an explanation whether the install % jumps back to before. My money's on no and no. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Good for you -- no such luck for me. My install % went up by 1%, but that would happen over time as it converges to the real number. Of course, I took a 20% hit, so my ranking is not helped and, in fact, it's down to #11. My sales have absolutely tanked and it's no longer worthwhile for me to maintain the app. One more release for Honeycomb and that's it for me. I haven't heard back from Google support since the acknowledgment e- mail. On Mar 14, 5:43 pm, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote: My install % gapped up by 4% again and is almost fully restored to normal. Sales and rank are doing better this week since this number has improved for me over the past week. Hoping you'll get a similar boost... Doug On Friday, March 11, 2011 3:52:00 PM UTC-8, Zsolt Vasvari wrote: I finally got a response from Google that they are looking into the problem, but no change in the install %.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: My sales have absolutely tanked and it's no longer a worthwhile for me to maintain the app. One more release for Honeycomb and that's it for me. Man, don't give it up 'cause of fucktards behind the Market. Publish on the Amazon Appstore. They announced the next Angry Birds will be exclusive to that store for the Android version which is a huge win for Amazon and means there are going to be *millions* of people going to the store just for that game and will be browsing and checking out apps through an interface that doesn't completely suck ass. Couple that with useful statistics (based on the sample they provide), actual developer support (I've been in contact with a human being - with a name!), and people with competence running the thing, this should definitely be a better climate for most developers. Hell, even the developer of the current biggest mobile game franchise doesn't think the Android Market is worth their time. That's saying something. Amazon can't open soon enough. http://www.amazonappstoredev.com/2011/03/angry-birds.html - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
I am absolutely planning on moving to the Amazon Market, but how do I do it? I cannot just unpublish the app as, I assume, the LVL would fail for the current users. I guess I could just raise the price to $999 and then direct them to the Amazon Market in the app description, but I assume that's somehow against the Android Market terms. So I don't think there is a really good way to move your app over. On Mar 15, 8:26 am, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: My sales have absolutely tanked and it's no longer a worthwhile for me to maintain the app. One more release for Honeycomb and that's it for me. Man, don't give it up 'cause of fucktards behind the Market. Publish on the Amazon Appstore. They announced the next Angry Birds will be exclusive to that store for the Android version which is a huge win for Amazon and means there are going to be *millions* of people going to the store just for that game and will be browsing and checking out apps through an interface that doesn't completely suck ass. Couple that with useful statistics (based on the sample they provide), actual developer support (I've been in contact with a human being - with a name!), and people with competence running the thing, this should definitely be a better climate for most developers. Hell, even the developer of the current biggest mobile game franchise doesn't think the Android Market is worth their time. That's saying something. Amazon can't open soon enough. http://www.amazonappstoredev.com/2011/03/angry-birds.html ----- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: I am absolutely planning on moving to the Amazon Market, but how do I do it? I cannot just unpublish the app as, I assume, the LVL would fail for the current users. I guess I could just raise the price to $999 and then direct them to the Amazon Market in the app description, but I assume that's somehow against the Android Market terms. So I don't think there is a really good way to move your app over. You can have the app listed in multiple markets. Just don't update the one in the Android Market. Consider it passive income when and if people buy it from there. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
You can have the app listed in multiple markets. Just don't update the one in the Android Market. Consider it passive income when and if people buy it from there. But existing users would rightfully get pissed if they got no updates while another market does. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
But existing users would rightfully get pissed if they got no updates while another market does. Yeah, I understand that. I guess my post earlier was a bit harsh towards the users. I was under the impression you were wanting to abandon the Android market all together. Anyway, from what I've heard, you don't have any links to the Android market in your app, you don't have to make any modifications to it in regards to posting it to Amazon. It appears that the only thing they ask you to change is to make sure that all of your market links point to the listings in the Amazon market and not the Android Market. So, there are very, very minor modifications to fit into the Amazon market (if any mods at all). So, why not place your app in both markets, just focus on the Amazon market for any new apps you write. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: But existing users would rightfully get pissed if they got no updates while another market does. I'd continue updating both, but focus on Amazon. Release updates to Amazon first and to the Market a week or a month later. Price the Market one higher. Encourage users on your blog / site / mailing list / whatever to buy from Amazon instead. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
But wait! Now the Android Market will show you installation stats! It's interesting. Apparently I had a big install spike coming up to Jan 1 this year, and a similar drop the next few days. Also, I had a sustained run up through the middle of Feb, but then a drop after that. None of this really explains the wacky numbers I've seen lately, though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Wow, I was worried about one of my keyboards dropping from 65% to 60%, but if others are seeing a 35%-40% average, I guess I should be happy! - Brill Pappin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Hi, Be interested if they do eventually provide an explanation whether the install % jumps back to before. Regards On Mar 12, 10:52 am, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: I finally got a response from Google that they are looking into the problem, but no change in the install %. My sales are down 75% from the norm, though. On Mar 12, 2:15 am, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote: Today I noticed my active install %, which had gapped down lately, has gapped back up by 4% overnight. No change in ranking, though. If these trends have any validity at all, it must mean my users are an extremely fickle bunch! Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Today I noticed my active install %, which had gapped down lately, has gapped back up by 4% overnight. No change in ranking, though. If these trends have any validity at all, it must mean my users are an extremely fickle bunch! Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
I finally got a response from Google that they are looking into the problem, but no change in the install %. My sales are down 75% from the norm, though. On Mar 12, 2:15 am, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote: Today I noticed my active install %, which had gapped down lately, has gapped back up by 4% overnight. No change in ranking, though. If these trends have any validity at all, it must mean my users are an extremely fickle bunch! Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Nothing is impossible, but I doubt it in this case. My app is probably the 2nd most popular (but the highest average rating) among it's direct competitors, but the #1 app has not moved down in ranking, actually the opposite. My app has also never been on the front page that I know of, which I agree, features the same apps all the time. On Mar 9, 3:54 pm, DraganA dand...@gmail.com wrote: On the other hand, maybe Google realized that a lot of people are bored with seeeing the same old apps on the front Market page week in week out. I think this old system created a bigger and bigger divide between established apps and the new apps that have no chance to even come near the big ones, so people never see them. In turn established apps make more and more money and the small apps just bump around the bottom even though they may be just as good. On Mar 9, 2:51 am, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: It's good to know that I am not alone. I've gone through various channels now, but I haven't had an answer yet from any of them, not too surprisingly. I don't know about the algorithm change -- the install % is pretty black white in my book and none of my main competitors have suffered the same ranking loss. If this won't get fixed, I will have no choice just to abandon my app as my sales the last few days don't make it feasible to continue with it. On Mar 9, 9:45 am, String sterling.ud...@googlemail.com wrote: Just to make myself heard: you're not alone here, Zsolt. I don't monitor my install percentage closely (I have enough on my plate already) but the last week or so, my rankings have all nosedived, with sales following right behind. No updates in the timeframe, no other externalities AFAICT. I'm pretty certain it's an algorithmic change behind the scenes on the Market. Whether it was intentional or not, I can't say. String- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:54 AM, DraganA dand...@gmail.com wrote: On the other hand, maybe Google realized that a lot of people are bored with seeeing the same old apps on the front Market page week in week out. Seriously. Every time I see the giant promo graphic for Talking Tom Cat on the Market main screen, I want to punch my phone in the face. It's been there since the new Market was released. Apparently no other apps are worth featuring. However, Zsolt is talking about ranking per category, which makes no goddamn sense. The app above mine has the same download range, but 1/5 the number of ratings and 4 star ratings vs my 4.5. Someone riddle me that. And to throw in another me too, I was fine at the beginning of this thread, when I took note of my %. It had actually been trending up, so I'd assumed the gnomes finally fixed something. As of this post, it's dropped 8%, 5 of which was literally overnight, and I'm down 3 spots as well. Fortunately sales remain fairly consistent. Oh well, as usual, there's nothing but complaining to be done about it. Just keep doing what you're doing and hope to succeed in spite of the Android Market being utter garbage. Psst, hey Amazon, can you open up already? - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
On the other hand, maybe Google realized that a lot of people are bored with seeeing the same old apps on the front Market page week in week out. Seriously. Every time I see the giant promo graphic for Talking Tom Cat on the Market main screen, I want to punch my phone in the face. It's been there since the new Market was released. Apparently no other apps are worth featuring. You apparently have to add Talking to your app title to make things work better. PS: yes, I envy the sales of that talking bloatware -- Regards, Marcin Orlowski -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
When I made my earlier post, the bloody cat was exactly what I had in mind ;) On Mar 9, 2:04 pm, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:54 AM, DraganA dand...@gmail.com wrote: On the other hand, maybe Google realized that a lot of people are bored with seeeing the same old apps on the front Market page week in week out. Seriously. Every time I see the giant promo graphic for Talking Tom Cat on the Market main screen, I want to punch my phone in the face. It's been there since the new Market was released. Apparently no other apps are worth featuring. However, Zsolt is talking about ranking per category, which makes no goddamn sense. The app above mine has the same download range, but 1/5 the number of ratings and 4 star ratings vs my 4.5. Someone riddle me that. And to throw in another me too, I was fine at the beginning of this thread, when I took note of my %. It had actually been trending up, so I'd assumed the gnomes finally fixed something. As of this post, it's dropped 8%, 5 of which was literally overnight, and I'm down 3 spots as well. Fortunately sales remain fairly consistent. Oh well, as usual, there's nothing but complaining to be done about it. Just keep doing what you're doing and hope to succeed in spite of the Android Market being utter garbage. Psst, hey Amazon, can you open up already? - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Psst, hey Amazon, can you open up already? I am definetely taking my app to the Amazon store as soon as it opens, even if my ranking/sales recover. Frankly, it's bullshit that I cannot even get an acknowledgment e-mail from Google to my problem submission. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
I really think it is just an auto sweep that corrects the installed base numbers to account for uninstallations performed outside the market. If I remove an app on my phone, but not connected to the web, the market service must pick that up at a later date. I think Google does sweeps like this in waves, all at once every few weeks or some interval. It is likely just correcting itself to match the numbers. Especially for phones that are wiped, flashed, or formatted, the market doesn't get that data till later. On Mar 7, 10:46 pm, gjs garyjamessi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Do you suddenly have some more competition ? Regards On Mar 8, 2:10 pm, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: Also, ranking is down to #10, sales are off at least 50%. On Mar 8, 11:05 am, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: 44% -- anybody wants to take a bet how long it will be before I lose all my users? On Mar 7, 9:24 pm, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:44 AM, ZsoltVasvarizvasv...@gmail.com wrote: There is no free-form e-mail option there that I can see, and none of the topics apply in my case. Just pick one - maybe the bugs one - it's the closest you're going to get to support for this issue. --- -- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Like I said before, I sort of agree with Roger's assessment. That being said, my percentage for my pay app has dropped by 4% in the past 3 days. On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Roger Podacter rogerpodac...@gmail.comwrote: I really think it is just an auto sweep that corrects the installed base numbers to account for uninstallations performed outside the market. If I remove an app on my phone, but not connected to the web, the market service must pick that up at a later date. I think Google does sweeps like this in waves, all at once every few weeks or some interval. It is likely just correcting itself to match the numbers. Especially for phones that are wiped, flashed, or formatted, the market doesn't get that data till later. On Mar 7, 10:46 pm, gjs garyjamessi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Do you suddenly have some more competition ? Regards On Mar 8, 2:10 pm, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: Also, ranking is down to #10, sales are off at least 50%. On Mar 8, 11:05 am, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: 44% -- anybody wants to take a bet how long it will be before I lose all my users? On Mar 7, 9:24 pm, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:44 AM, ZsoltVasvarizvasv...@gmail.com wrote: There is no free-form e-mail option there that I can see, and none of the topics apply in my case. Just pick one - maybe the bugs one - it's the closest you're going to get to support for this issue. --- -- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
I don't believe this is the case: - Only my paid version dropped in install %, the free version is still the same as before. - My ranking in my category has dropped from 3 to 10 in the course of a week, for no apparent reason (no new competitors, no sudden 1- stars), so the only explanation is the install %. My competitors have not dropped in this time frame. - My app is a personal finance package costing $10. It's not something people buy, enter their data and then willy-nilly uninstall in droves. If it were a $0.99 calculator, I can see that happening, but not an app that people used to keep track of their money. I believe what has happened to my app (and a few other posters on here) is limited to only some apps. On Mar 10, 10:42 am, Justin Giles jtgi...@gmail.com wrote: Like I said before, I sort of agree with Roger's assessment. That being said, my percentage for my pay app has dropped by 4% in the past 3 days. On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Roger Podacter rogerpodac...@gmail.comwrote: I really think it is just an auto sweep that corrects the installed base numbers to account for uninstallations performed outside the market. If I remove an app on my phone, but not connected to the web, the market service must pick that up at a later date. I think Google does sweeps like this in waves, all at once every few weeks or some interval. It is likely just correcting itself to match the numbers. Especially for phones that are wiped, flashed, or formatted, the market doesn't get that data till later. On Mar 7, 10:46 pm, gjs garyjamessi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Do you suddenly have some more competition ? Regards On Mar 8, 2:10 pm, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: Also, ranking is down to #10, sales are off at least 50%. On Mar 8, 11:05 am, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: 44% -- anybody wants to take a bet how long it will be before I lose all my users? On Mar 7, 9:24 pm, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:44 AM, ZsoltVasvarizvasv...@gmail.com wrote: There is no free-form e-mail option there that I can see, and none of the topics apply in my case. Just pick one - maybe the bugs one - it's the closest you're going to get to support for this issue. --- -- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Just to make myself heard: you're not alone here, Zsolt. I don't monitor my install percentage closely (I have enough on my plate already) but the last week or so, my rankings have all nosedived, with sales following right behind. No updates in the timeframe, no other externalities AFAICT. I'm pretty certain it's an algorithmic change behind the scenes on the Market. Whether it was intentional or not, I can't say. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
It's good to know that I am not alone. I've gone through various channels now, but I haven't had an answer yet from any of them, not too surprisingly. I don't know about the algorithm change -- the install % is pretty black white in my book and none of my main competitors have suffered the same ranking loss. If this won't get fixed, I will have no choice just to abandon my app as my sales the last few days don't make it feasible to continue with it. On Mar 9, 9:45 am, String sterling.ud...@googlemail.com wrote: Just to make myself heard: you're not alone here, Zsolt. I don't monitor my install percentage closely (I have enough on my plate already) but the last week or so, my rankings have all nosedived, with sales following right behind. No updates in the timeframe, no other externalities AFAICT. I'm pretty certain it's an algorithmic change behind the scenes on the Market. Whether it was intentional or not, I can't say. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
On the other hand, maybe Google realized that a lot of people are bored with seeeing the same old apps on the front Market page week in week out. I think this old system created a bigger and bigger divide between established apps and the new apps that have no chance to even come near the big ones, so people never see them. In turn established apps make more and more money and the small apps just bump around the bottom even though they may be just as good. On Mar 9, 2:51 am, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: It's good to know that I am not alone. I've gone through various channels now, but I haven't had an answer yet from any of them, not too surprisingly. I don't know about the algorithm change -- the install % is pretty black white in my book and none of my main competitors have suffered the same ranking loss. If this won't get fixed, I will have no choice just to abandon my app as my sales the last few days don't make it feasible to continue with it. On Mar 9, 9:45 am, String sterling.ud...@googlemail.com wrote: Just to make myself heard: you're not alone here, Zsolt. I don't monitor my install percentage closely (I have enough on my plate already) but the last week or so, my rankings have all nosedived, with sales following right behind. No updates in the timeframe, no other externalities AFAICT. I'm pretty certain it's an algorithmic change behind the scenes on the Market. Whether it was intentional or not, I can't say. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
My install % is down to 46% now that the latest count has been updated. Diane, I am sorry to directly e-mail you, but I am copying you on this -- please forward as appropriate. I've been trying to help people on here, but I now need help from Google -- this problem is ruining my business. My developer account is under my e-mail, and I am only publishing one paid app. Could you let me know if you get anywhere, and if so which channel was helpful ? Did you try here: http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/request.py?contact_type=publisher Pent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Did you try here: http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/request.py?contact_ty... There is no free-form e-mail option there that I can see, and none of the topics apply in my case. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:44 AM, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: There is no free-form e-mail option there that I can see, and none of the topics apply in my case. Just pick one - maybe the bugs one - it's the closest you're going to get to support for this issue. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
44% -- anybody wants to take a bet how long it will be before I lose all my users? On Mar 7, 9:24 pm, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:44 AM, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: There is no free-form e-mail option there that I can see, and none of the topics apply in my case. Just pick one - maybe the bugs one - it's the closest you're going to get to support for this issue. ----- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Also, ranking is down to #10, sales are off at least 50%. On Mar 8, 11:05 am, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: 44% -- anybody wants to take a bet how long it will be before I lose all my users? On Mar 7, 9:24 pm, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:44 AM, ZsoltVasvarizvasv...@gmail.com wrote: There is no free-form e-mail option there that I can see, and none of the topics apply in my case. Just pick one - maybe the bugs one - it's the closest you're going to get to support for this issue. ----- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Hi, Do you suddenly have some more competition ? Regards On Mar 8, 2:10 pm, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: Also, ranking is down to #10, sales are off at least 50%. On Mar 8, 11:05 am, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: 44% -- anybody wants to take a bet how long it will be before I lose all my users? On Mar 7, 9:24 pm, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:44 AM, ZsoltVasvarizvasv...@gmail.com wrote: There is no free-form e-mail option there that I can see, and none of the topics apply in my case. Just pick one - maybe the bugs one - it's the closest you're going to get to support for this issue. --- -- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Nope, not that I can see. Even if I did, my app is a personal finance app, which is not the kind of app that people would suddenly abandon in droves, as they need to migrate their financial data over. On Mar 8, 2:46 pm, gjs garyjamessi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Do you suddenly have some more competition ? Regards On Mar 8, 2:10 pm, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: Also, ranking is down to #10, sales are off at least 50%. On Mar 8, 11:05 am, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: 44% -- anybody wants to take a bet how long it will be before I lose all my users? On Mar 7, 9:24 pm, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:44 AM, ZsoltVasvarizvasv...@gmail.com wrote: There is no free-form e-mail option there that I can see, and none of the topics apply in my case. Just pick one - maybe the bugs one - it's the closest you're going to get to support for this issue. --- -- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
My install % is down to 46% now that the latest count has been updated. Diane, I am sorry to directly e-mail you, but I am copying you on this -- please forward as appropriate. I've been trying to help people on here, but I now need help from Google -- this problem is ruining my business. My developer account is under my e-mail, and I am only publishing one paid app. On Mar 6, 7:31 am, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: I released an update on Feb 28th. My sales have been halved since the drop in active %/rank, so I am not happy about it, obviously. On Mar 6, 2:39 am, Seni Sangrujee s...@fieldteams.com wrote: For those that this is happening to, did you release an update to your app recently? What do you guys have in common? Remember the dreaded Active Install Drop of December 2009, where it didn't affect everyone except those who released an update on or near a certain date? == Anyone noticing more uninstalls of their app than usual over last weekend/today?http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/threa... Are the market stats for developers broken?http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?tid=4c575... There was an issue impacting a limited number of developers that can be traced back to December 18th. Our team has implemented a fix that will return all impacted developers' Active User numbers to normal. We will remain vigilant in order to ensure that any data that does not automatically return to active user counts is properly applied. Please allow some time for this information to return to its normal state and per usual, be sure to let us know if anything irregular pops onto your radar. Thanks so much for bringing this to our attention so that we could work towards providing a timely resolution! ==- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Media Video. The ranking drop was worse than I indicated before. Fortunately, sales has not suffered too much, but I'd hate to be losing money over a market bug. Maybe your ranking was too high before and you've made more money than you should have :-) The point is that it doesn't make sense to base Market ranking on an inaccurate and wildly varying number. Active installs would be a good measure, *if* it was accurate. Pent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
For those that this is happening to, did you release an update to your app recently? What do you guys have in common? Remember the dreaded Active Install Drop of December 2009, where it didn't affect everyone except those who released an update on or near a certain date? == Anyone noticing more uninstalls of their app than usual over last weekend/today? http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/315945ac2698de0/482815ebe7da81b8?hl=enq=seni+sangrujeelnk=ol; Are the market stats for developers broken? http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?tid=4c5752ca3e5af4ffhl=en There was an issue impacting a limited number of developers that can be traced back to December 18th. Our team has implemented a fix that will return all impacted developers' Active User numbers to normal. We will remain vigilant in order to ensure that any data that does not automatically return to active user counts is properly applied. Please allow some time for this information to return to its normal state and per usual, be sure to let us know if anything irregular pops onto your radar. Thanks so much for bringing this to our attention so that we could work towards providing a timely resolution! == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
I released an update on Feb 28th. My sales have been halved since the drop in active %/rank, so I am not happy about it, obviously. On Mar 6, 2:39 am, Seni Sangrujee s...@fieldteams.com wrote: For those that this is happening to, did you release an update to your app recently? What do you guys have in common? Remember the dreaded Active Install Drop of December 2009, where it didn't affect everyone except those who released an update on or near a certain date? == Anyone noticing more uninstalls of their app than usual over last weekend/today?http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/threa... Are the market stats for developers broken?http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?tid=4c575... There was an issue impacting a limited number of developers that can be traced back to December 18th. Our team has implemented a fix that will return all impacted developers' Active User numbers to normal. We will remain vigilant in order to ensure that any data that does not automatically return to active user counts is properly applied. Please allow some time for this information to return to its normal state and per usual, be sure to let us know if anything irregular pops onto your radar. Thanks so much for bringing this to our attention so that we could work towards providing a timely resolution! == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Yeah, 64 to 52 a couple of weeks ago, slowly slipped down to 47 now. I wouldn't mind if it wasn't a disaster for ranking. Pent On Mar 4, 6:50 am, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: My app went from 62% to 56% in one day Say it all... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
On 4 March 2011 09:03, Pent supp...@apps.dinglisch.net wrote: Yeah, 64 to 52 a couple of weeks ago, slowly slipped down to 47 now. I wouldn't mind if it wasn't a disaster for ranking. On Mar 4, 6:50 am, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: My app went from 62% to 56% in one day Say it all... IMHO it's quite normal, so do not cry :) Don't think there's much you can do. I'd rather say it's quite common (and 56% is quite high anyway). The longer app is on market the value be lower as much more users will download it and test and uninstall. And howveer some will keep it (so your userbase will grow anyway), the download to installed ratio will go down. My observation is that is usually oscilate at 35%-40% for most apps with 50k and more downloads -- Regards, Marcin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
On 4 March 2011 09:53, Marcin Orlowski webnet.andr...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 March 2011 09:03, Pent supp...@apps.dinglisch.net wrote: Yeah, 64 to 52 a couple of weeks ago, slowly slipped down to 47 now. I wouldn't mind if it wasn't a disaster for ranking. On Mar 4, 6:50 am, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: My app went from 62% to 56% in one day Say it all... IMHO it's quite normal, so do not cry :) Don't think there's much you can do. I'd rather say it's quite common (and 56% is quite high anyway). The longer app is on market the value be lower as much more users will download it and test and uninstall. And howveer some will keep it (so your userbase will grow anyway), the download to installed ratio will go down. My observation is that is usually oscilate at 35%-40% for most apps with 50k and more downloads So instead of observe totally useles percentage, focus on active install values and enjoy. -- Regards, Marcin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
keep it (so your userbase will grow anyway), the download to installed ratio will go down. My observation is that is usually oscilate at 35%-40% for most apps with 50k and more downloads It was 62% yesterday -- it's 56% today... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
On 4 March 2011 10:26, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: keep it (so your userbase will grow anyway), the download to installed ratio will go down. My observation is that is usually oscilate at 35%-40% for most apps with 50k and more downloads It was 62% yesterday -- it's 56% And how about other figures? Installs and active installs? %value is just ratio between these two. I'd not care it much, unless you really enjoy having 2 installs and 1 active installs (which gives 50%) over 100k installs and 10k active installs (which gives 10%). today... So? One of my app's figures doubled over night as it seem some crowded social place mentioned it. -- Regards, Marcin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
My app Radar Now! has held steady at 55% over the last six months. That's with nearly 1.5 million downloads. I think everything, market statistics wise, is stable at the moment. -John Coryat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
On Mar 4, 6:15 am, Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru) cor...@gmail.com wrote: My app Radar Now! has held steady at 55% over the last six months. That's with nearly 1.5 million downloads. I think everything, market statistics wise, is stable at the moment. I think you are the exception so far. :-) My paid app went from 54% to 42% over the course of a couple days. That ain't right with 35K total purchases. Seriously, 3000 people uninstalled my app over that time? IIRC, it was last year about this time when install % first started to go nutty on the market. Back then, it was a slow decay, but today it's rapid. I think it was fixed some time over the summer. Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Yup, mine is down to 50% from 62% 2 days ago. As a result (?), my app has dropped from #3 to #6 in its category ranking. Not good, but of course, we have zero recourse or explanation, as usual. On Mar 5, 6:34 am, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 4, 6:15 am, Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru) cor...@gmail.com wrote: My app Radar Now! has held steady at 55% over the last six months. That's with nearly 1.5 million downloads. I think everything, market statistics wise, is stable at the moment. I think you are the exception so far. :-) My paid app went from 54% to 42% over the course of a couple days. That ain't right with 35K total purchases. Seriously, 3000 people uninstalled my app over that time? IIRC, it was last year about this time when install % first started to go nutty on the market. Back then, it was a slow decay, but today it's rapid. I think it was fixed some time over the summer. Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
If there was a problem with the a few weeks of downloads, my app wouldn't really show any problem. From your figures, it does sound as if something has gone bonkers. -John Coryat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
My app has dropped significantly in rankings as well. Used to be around #6, not hovering at #10. I've wondered if it had anything to do with with install % problems. I don't have anything empirical to link the two events, other than that they happened around the same time. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
So we are in exactly the same boat. What category is in your app in? Mine is Finance. On Mar 5, 10:50 am, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote: My app has dropped significantly in rankings as well. Used to be around #6, not hovering at #10. I've wondered if it had anything to do with with install % problems. I don't have anything empirical to link the two events, other than that they happened around the same time. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
I am asking anybody from the Google team (Dianne? anybody really) even if they are not on the Market team, to please notify somebody on the Market team about this thread. I am not expecting a response, only that my install % be restored. On Mar 5, 10:50 am, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote: My app has dropped significantly in rankings as well. Used to be around #6, not hovering at #10. I've wondered if it had anything to do with with install % problems. I don't have anything empirical to link the two events, other than that they happened around the same time. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Hate to break this to you, but I have never had my % restored. If anything, the percentage slowly corrects itself but never recovers to the original amount. What I highly suspect this is (in most cases), a correction. What I mean by correction is that when someone uninstalls you app, it might not register as being uninstalled by the Market. Say, for instance, someone wipes their phone without going through the normal uninstall channels. I can see where some counts might get lost. So, periodically, there will be some corrections made that seem like huge drops, but are, in reality, the actual install percentage at the time. Again, this is all speculation, but it is how I have reasoned things out in my head so that I don't have to fret over it anymore. Good luck! On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: I am asking anybody from the Google team (Dianne? anybody really) even if they are not on the Market team, to please notify somebody on the Market team about this thread. I am not expecting a response, only that my install % be restored. On Mar 5, 10:50 am, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote: My app has dropped significantly in rankings as well. Used to be around #6, not hovering at #10. I've wondered if it had anything to do with with install % problems. I don't have anything empirical to link the two events, other than that they happened around the same time. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?
Media Video. The ranking drop was worse than I indicated before. Fortunately, sales has not suffered too much, but I'd hate to be losing money over a market bug. On Friday, March 4, 2011 6:52:06 PM UTC-8, Zsolt Vasvari wrote: So we are in exactly the same boat. What category is in your app in? Mine is Finance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
